A Place to be While the PlayWright Lays Low

11Apr08

I’ll be here. Posting my a$$ off. You are all welcome to be here

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157 Responses to “A Place to be While the PlayWright Lays Low”

  1. 1 pcsperling

    YIPPEE!!! A new home!

  2. 2 jezebel282

    AND I get to post too!

    Can you feel the POWER?

  3. 3 pcsperling

    Jeze ~

    You rock!

  4. 4 mikereynolds

    I’m thinking of a house warming gift. Any way we can not tell dumstein?

  5. 5 freedomofspeach

    I want to say I have no dog the fight about Stratford.wordpress, or the Town of Stratford but it seems to me IMHO that someone is using police power to interrupt the free and protected speech that the blog should be afforded. I have watched the information that has been presented, and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense. In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se.

    I found the issues surrounding the entire mayor/town attorney/mayors brother, quite amusing, until something like this happens. A “baby Bridgeport” corruption scandal. Will we see a certain attorney on a witness stand pleading the fifth in the next year?

    Remember, the Founding Fathers used anonymous print media to get the truth out and it has been well established in the courts for many years that the first amendment right of free speech, even if the government does not like it, is protected.

    I hope every blogger takes a look at http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/Press/topic.aspx?topic=blogging

    as well as the associated case law quoted and protects themselves, and PW, Godspeed. Always remember the ACLU would love to take this to court.

    I will await in the wings with my snappy repartee.

    “The cost of freedom is not free”

  6. 6 citizenkane1

    I am dying to read what George’s thoughts about this.

    Come on big guy, this is your big chance!

    Let it fly brother!

  7. 7 jezebel282

    Please remember, PlayWright had Hand helping. I am currently in OTJ mode. If your comment gets delayed…I’ll figure it out soon.

  8. 8 adnauseumstfd

    It just occurred to me that my blog might not be posted at the “EX” (giggle) site.
    so here it is again:
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    All I can say is that it is about time!!!! Hurray!!!

    If any of the hate-filled, bitter, prejudiced core members of this “blog” holds any desire to represent Stratford in a functional, productive manner, I would have to suggest that you stop being so self righteous and actually focus on the ‘issues’ that you all claim to be so interested in.

    I have seen a lot of discussion about areas of Stratford that the bloggers here would like to see fixed. In the same blogs, I see nothing but slander, hatred, sarcasm and lies. So which is it, ex-SPT? Many of the bloggers who have posted here, claim to be out for a change, yet I see very few of you actually taking action, other than to sit and seethe at Town Council meetings or sit here and bitch day in and day out. (you DO have children, spouses, jobs…?? no?)

    If this blog does close, I for one will don a red outfit and rejoice. This was never an outlet for freedom of speech. Anyone who ever tried to go against the core -what was it? 6 or 8 of you? got attacked with yet more slander and hatred.

    This was never a blog for Stratford. This blog never represented the voters of the Town of Stratford. This blog was (and have I mentioned how happy I am to use the word, “WAS”?) simply an outlet for a very few people who for whatever reason, felt slighted. So this was their way of “getting back”. Bully for you! Well done!

    You do realize however, that the vast majority of Stratford has no idea that this pathetic blog ever existed, much less do they care for what this paltry baker’s dozen (at best) had to say.

    RIP (happily) SPT!

    Dance Dance Dance!!!

  9. 9 adnauseumstfd

    Playwright DOES like to dance, doesn’t she? 😀

  10. 10 adnauseumstfd

    FoS?

    That has to be the biggest joke I have ever seen! lmao.

    “I want to say I have no dog the fight about Stratford.wordpress, or the Town of Stratford but it seems to me IMHO that someone is using police power to interrupt the free and protected speech that the blog should be afforded.”

    Would that be your Humble opinion, or your Biased one? I find your claim to be unbiased rather hard to believe once you brought ‘police power’ into it. ha! Obvious, much?

    “I have watched the information that has been presented, and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense. In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se.”

    OK. That entire statement makes no sense.
    “and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense”.

    Which is it? Libel or truth? Who decides? You, FoS, esq?

    “In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se”

    Only if you can prove that “said person quoted” actually made the statement printed in the said publication. There have been MANY mis-quoted individuals in local newspapers. You cannot say that all statements in “quotes” are self explanatory or even *gasp*, valid and/or legal.

  11. 11 1george1

    Kane,
    I posted my thoughts on the Play write blog.

    The playwrite had interesting alumni.

    Best (self post) Mayor wanna bee
    Gavin (self post) C. R. C.# 1 Head > C. R. C. # 2 Key
    PCS (self post) > Interesting resume Connection
    Me (self post) > Mayor / District candidate

    Proveable members of C.R.C.
    Fahan > Outted by the Play write
    Florek > Outted by Fahan at C. R. C. as On Target
    (Republican Lawyer posted on the Town Charter in July / AUGUST)

    Provable Mirons supporters:
    Jason Sante > Outted by self posting before Letter to Editer printed
    Miron > Ditto

    Since this is the Stratford Charter WordPress, can the Blogmeister list
    the topic, 1 sentence summary, & precedent of each of Burturla’s c.r.c
    Opinions?

    1. Runoff > NEVER LEGAL due to … > Case Precedent

    2. Recall > NOT LEGAL due to NEW / NOT revised Charter > Case …
    2a. Right to Petition > danger if challenged >
    2b. Right to Referendum > danger if challenged >

    3. Town Council Right to SUBPOENA > NOT LEGAL due to … > Case…

    4.

    5.

    6.

  12. 12 jezebel282

    Nauseum,

    Actually, most of what you have seen posted on SPT and will see here was/is reprinted from primary sources (newspapers) or from witness accounts, agendas and memos. It would be nearly impossible to make this stuff up. The latest episode is a case in point. You have an extremely unpopular mayor who for the last two years has been accused of nepotism, creating no-show jobs, lack of initiative and squandering tax payer money. So what does he do? He tries to hire his own brother at the Stratford PD. Who can make that up?

    Most of the people that blog here do what is available to them under the law: they vote, they attend council meetings, they petition, they write and they talk to their councilpeople.

    You are free to post here, Nauseum, but we would prefer you stick to reality. (Unless you have a special pass, like George)

  13. 13 adnauseumstfd

    Riigghhtt…

    And everything we read in the CTPost under Mr. Weitzel is completely unbiased, factual journalism. No spin. No dramatic input. Nothing to perhaps (*gasp*) sell the paper by altering a quote or two. Right?

    Yeah…

  14. 14 adnauseumstfd

    “Me (self post) > Mayor / District candidate”

    Are you saying you want to be Mayor, George?

    *thud*

  15. 15 freedomofspeach

    Adnauseumstfd I am glad you’re amused. If you’re so fed up then why waste your time posting, unless you have a dog in the fight or are bias. You have, by your name reached the point of nausea with Stratford.
    To respond to your post, post point-by-point, it’s easier than trying to reread the original post. Again, these are my opinions. I am sure you don’t think peoples thoughts should be regulated, do you?
    “I want to say I have no dog the fight about Stratford.wordpress, or the Town of Stratford but it seems to me IMHO that someone is using police power to interrupt the free and protected speech that the blog should be afforded.”
    Would that be your Humble opinion, or your Biased one? I find your claim to be unbiased rather hard to believe once you brought ‘police power’ into it. ha! Obvious, much?
    First, I have no dog in the fight. I am an outsider who is interested in Fairfield County Politics. These are just my opinions, I have many I have never shared about your local politics, past and present. The sudden cessation of SPT during a time of political self destruction and potential corruption, especially with the Steel Point litigation and the possible abuse there has given me a reason to post my opinions. As far as the term “police powers” they have very little to do with the police. Generally Police Power is a term used to describe powers extended from the federal government and states to municipal governments to regulate health, safety, morals and welfare matters within their jurisdiction, including land use, zoning, parking, and the like. It does include law enforcement powers, but it is clearly not just that. To try and turn my opinions and make them seem bias are erroneous and clearly manipulative on your part. I have a reasonable understanding of how people are selected to be police officers, and my confusion on why someone who is not the best candidate for the job gets offered a job is confusing, and even you must admit it a political appointment. If not, are you saying that the other applicants were more deceptive (according to the news posts about the present subject in the news) about using drugs, drunk driving, and not being truthful about criminal acts of family members? But I never covered that in my post. You brought it up. What I said is that it is reasonably likely that SPT has had the heavy hand of police power used to stifle its speech, that I feel is protected, and it’s my feeling it is retaliatory. Especially now with the Chief States Attorney involved in a records privacy matter, and amazingly, theft and other possible violations of 53a CGS by the local Democratic Registrar of Voters, who is the father of another subject in the news, that is pretty clear cut, is being investigated civilly by a political democratic elected official. I am not 1george1 so I don’t have this down as a conspiracy, however, I think if it was anyone else, Inspectors from The Division of Criminal Justice AKA the Chief States Attorneys office, would be all over with search warrants and a local monument company would be looking at criminal charges. Why not in this case? Why is the release of records, that by the way are not protected law enforcement records as they are not investigative reports of a criminal investigation, being treated as a crime, and the theft by fraud and deception of over what $50,000.00, (a Class B or C Felony I think) is being treated by a political elected official of the same party as a “civil” matter? Inquiring minds want to know. Especially since the person of interest who allegedly took all this money, can go bankrupt on any of this including the fines if a civil action. The subject if arrested would have to use his accelerated rehabilitation, the same “get out of jail free” card another family member just used, if he has one left.
    “I have watched the information that has been presented, and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense. In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se.”
    Really? I have viewed some of the comments, and some meet some OK. That entire statement makes no sense.“and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense”.
    Which is it? Libel or truth? Who decides? You, FoS, esq?
    Esq? I think you’re confused. I don’t make the decision, and neither do you, a jury or judge will if needed. The truth is the absolute defense, and the facts are, based on postings from accredited news organizations, that someone applied to be a police officer, who did not do so well on certain parts of the process, was noted as deceptive on his polygraph, and has used drugs in the past, and yet, although this would be a disqualifier for most, was approved to be hired. Oh, and happens to be related to a public official, and is now a public person. Based on the reporting that I read in the news can be considered “truth” enough for anyone to re-post, and are absent of malice. If they want to publicly release all the documents, and they will have to in any litigation, and it is proved wrong, then the news organization will have to prove absence of malice, however the posters to the blog are pretty clear of liability.
    “In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se”
    Quoting from a news publication, right or wrong, is absence of malice when restated and attributed, especially when it involves a public official or public persons. Simply put, if anyone, even if they have malice, quotes from a news organization, in context and attributes, it is not slander, libel, or defamation.
    Only if you can prove that “said person quoted” actually made the statement printed in the said publication. There have been MANY mis-quoted individuals in local newspapers. You cannot say that all statements in “quotes” are self explanatory or even *gasp*, valid and/or legal.

    No proof is necessary. It makes no difference if they are misquoted, if it’s printed and reposted and attributed its absence of malice. Oh and a civil matter, and since you can litigate against anyone, especially if your getting free or discounted legal services, as well as have possibly the perception of police powers, then again, we are back to the heavy hand theory and with that, then my opinion may become fact.
    So you tried to prove I am bias, but I am not, facts are facts, and I am entitled to my opinions. See there is this document that allows that, and it gives me the right to say what I am saying. I never agreed with everything in SPT, but the apparent use of a heavy hand to stop free speech is appalling.

    I hope the bright light of truth shines on Stratford, and any ethical or illegal misdeeds are shown on stage to the taxpayers. Government must be transparent. And we must always remember we give the rights to the elected officials to regulate us, the government does not grant us rights, their job is preserve ours. Taking away our freedom of speech because they don’t like what we say is wrong.

  16. 16 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    Just one minor note. It has long been known and stated that Playwright is a Town employee of some sort. Playwright felt compelled to start SPT for many reasons, not the least of which was the non-reporting of events in the Stratford Star and the Strartford Bard.

    Playwright’s anonymity was necessitated by the atmosphere of fear in Town Hall. Freedom of Speech is removed from public employees under an “at will” system controlled by one person. Now, with multiple investigations by at least two Law Enforcement agencies it is completely understandable why Playwright felt it necessary to get out of Dodge for a while. While Freedom of Speech is a “guaranteed” right, when balanced against a career and family….I believe the term is “no brainer”.

  17. 17 1george1

    Jeze,

    Thanks for the “special pass.”
    I blog the Stratford facts and present them to Town Council and Press,
    for the acceptance and creditibility which people can related to, as a
    vehicle to lay foundation for less creditible, far worse truths.
    > Some can’t believe or relate to.
    > Some know things to be true, but have a vested interest.
    > Some know the truth, but prefer silence.

    Jeze, thank you for the FYI about the Play write.

    Adnauseum >
    Is this a new blog name? Multiple personality disorder? 😉

    I ran for Mayor and District Council > fact.
    I have no interest in being Mayor. “Could I do any worse?”
    I want to get into the Debates.

    Freedom of Speach

    Because of your tightly packed blog, with no Paragraphs and no line
    breaks, I found your positions a little difficult to follow.
    I thought you were going one way, and went the other.

    The poli sci empiricist are proud the USA is a “Rule of Law” Republic.
    Yet few can argue with the reified Federalist Papers warning:
    “Laws are writen for the few, and not for the many.”

    Futher “Rule of Law” is the exact opposite of INALIENABLE, which is the
    cornerstone of the purview of the cause for the Constitution, from the
    Declaration of Independence.

  18. 18 freedomofspeach

    Good morning. I did not know the reason about PW. That makes some things clearer.

    George, unfortunately the format changed when converted from Word to the blog, I did not know that, and it was too late. Something similar to the problems you have had in the past. I will correct it in the future before I post.

    It was a point-by-point answer to Ad, so if not read in the format I wanted to send it it in, it could be a problem. I will correct it and repost when I can, as I feel it’s worth the time.

  19. 19 freedomofspeach

    REPOST in a Clearer format. I am not a blogger, so not used to this. Thanks for your understanding:

    Adnauseumstfd I am glad you’re amused. If you’re so fed up then why waste your time posting, unless you have a dog in the fight or are bias. You have, by your name reached the point of nausea with Stratford.

    To respond to your post, post point-by-point, it’s easier than trying to reread the original post. Again, these are my opinions. I am sure you don’t think peoples thoughts should be regulated, do you?

    Question/Statement from AD
    “I want to say I have no dog the fight about Stratford.wordpress, or the Town of Stratford but it seems to me IMHO that someone is using police power to interrupt the free and protected speech that the blog should be afforded.”
    Would that be your Humble opinion, or your Biased one? I find your claim to be unbiased rather hard to believe once you brought ‘police power’ into it. ha! Obvious, much?

    Answer from FOS
    First, I have no dog in the fight. I am an outsider who is interested in Fairfield County Politics. These are just my opinions, I have many I have never shared about your local politics, past and present. The sudden cessation of SPT during a time of political self destruction and potential corruption, especially with the Steel Point litigation and the possible abuse there has given me a reason to post my opinions. As far as the term “police powers” they have very little to do with the police. Generally Police Power is a term used to describe powers extended from the federal government and states to municipal governments to regulate health, safety, morals and welfare matters within their jurisdiction, including land use, zoning, parking, and the like. It does include law enforcement powers, but it is clearly not just that. To try and turn my opinions and make them seem bias are erroneous and clearly manipulative on your part. I have a reasonable understanding of how people are selected to be police officers, and my confusion on why someone who is not the best candidate for the job gets offered a job is confusing, and even you must admit it a political appointment. If not, are you saying that the other applicants were more deceptive (according to the news posts about the present subject in the news) about using drugs, drunk driving, and not being truthful about criminal acts of family members? But I never covered that in my post. You brought it up. What I said is that it is reasonably likely that SPT has had the heavy hand of police power used to stifle its speech, that I feel is protected, and it’s my feeling it is retaliatory. Especially now with the Chief States Attorney involved in a records privacy matter, and amazingly, theft and other possible violations of 53a CGS by the local Democratic Registrar of Voters, who is the father of another subject in the news, that is pretty clear cut, is being investigated civilly by a political democratic elected official. I am not 1george1 so I don’t have this down as a conspiracy, however, I think if it was anyone else, Inspectors from The Division of Criminal Justice AKA the Chief States Attorneys office, would be all over with search warrants and a local monument company would be looking at criminal charges. Why not in this case? Why is the release of records, that by the way are not protected law enforcement records as they are not investigative reports of a criminal investigation, being treated as a crime, and the theft by fraud and deception of over what $50,000.00, (a Class B or C Felony I think) is being treated by a political elected official of the same party as a “civil” matter? Inquiring minds want to know. Especially since the person of interest who allegedly took all this money, can go bankrupt on any of this including the fines if a civil action. The subject if arrested would have to use his accelerated rehabilitation, the same “get out of jail free” card another family member just used, if he has one left.

    Question/Statement from AD
    “I have watched the information that has been presented, and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense. In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se.”
    Really? I have viewed some of the comments, and some meet some OK. That entire statement makes no sense.“and some may be slanderous and libel, however, the truth is an absolute defense”.
    Which is it? Libel or truth? Who decides? You, FoS, esq?

    Answer from FOS
    Esq? I think you’re confused. I don’t make the decision, and neither do you, a jury or judge will if needed. The truth is the absolute defense, and the facts are, based on postings from accredited news organizations, that someone applied to be a police officer, who did not do so well on certain parts of the process, was noted as deceptive on his polygraph, and has used drugs in the past, and yet, although this would be a disqualifier for most, was approved to be hired. Oh, and happens to be related to a public official, and is now a public person. Based on the reporting that I read in the news can be considered “truth” enough for anyone to re-post, and are absent of malice. If they want to publicly release all the documents, and they will have to in any litigation, and it is proved wrong, then the news organization will have to prove absence of malice, however the posters to the blog are pretty clear of liability.

    Question/Statement from AD
    “In addition, statements quoted, verbally or in writing, from and attributed to a printed news publication are self explanatory, and not slanderous/libel per se”

    Answer from FOS
    Quoting from a news publication, right or wrong, is absence of malice when restated and attributed, especially when it involves a public official or public persons. Simply put, if anyone, even if they have malice, quotes from a news organization, in context and attributes, it is not slander, libel, or defamation.

    Question/Statement from AD
    Only if you can prove that “said person quoted” actually made the statement printed in the said publication. There have been MANY mis-quoted individuals in local newspapers. You cannot say that all statements in “quotes” are self explanatory or even *gasp*, valid and/or legal.

    Answer from FOS
    No proof is necessary. It makes no difference if they are misquoted, if it’s printed and reposted and attributed its absence of malice. Oh and a civil matter, and since you can litigate against anyone, especially if your getting free or discounted legal services, as well as have possibly the perception of police powers, then again, we are back to the heavy hand theory and with that, then my opinion may become fact.
    So you tried to prove I am bias, but I am not, facts are facts, and I am entitled to my opinions. See there is this document that allows that, and it gives me the right to say what I am saying. I never agreed with everything in SPT, but the apparent use of a heavy hand to stop free speech is appalling.

    I hope the bright light of truth shines on Stratford, and any ethical or illegal misdeeds are shown on stage to the taxpayers. Government must be transparent. And we must always remember we give the rights to the elected officials to regulate us, the government does not grant us rights, their job is preserve ours. Taking away our freedom of speech because they don’t like what we say is wrong.

  20. 20 sudds

    So does anyone know what happened over at SPT? Were people getting afraid that Sperling would finally “sign the papers”??? :o}

  21. 21 freedomofspeach

    I think that the “powers that be” are conducting an inquisition, and this put the SPT and the bloggers at risk. Seems to me that there are lots of things going on that are stifling the freedom of speech of taxpayers, employees, and non executive branch elected officials.

    It almost looks like Chicago with all the players, the only difference is that even though Chicago was “controlled”, it was still clean, run well, and the taxes were under control, just like Providence. This group is the gang that can’t shoot straight.

    Hopefully Blumenthal will distance himself, or he will go down with the ship, and the Chief States Attorney, or the US Attorney will get involved. I am sure they love pirate tattoos in federal prison.

  22. 22 dlbuda05

    Just wondering what the whole deal is with the army engieer plant sale. Don’t think anybody is willing to spend the kind of money it will take to clean up the toxins without big promises such as tax abatements for years to come etc. Is Strartford going to be the looser again? Didn’t Home Depot, Shaws and WalMart get a tax abatment for 5 years from Stratford, but from no other surrounding towns? Really would like to know all the specifics before I jump on the band wagon. The paper said still many things had to be worked out. Can’t wait to see who comes up with the short end of the stick. “Haste makes waste”

  23. 23 jezebel282

    Diane,

    Welcome back. On this one, we don’t have a choice (anymore). The property belongs to the U.S. government. They can do whatever they want with it. None, not a penny, of the $9.6 million will go anywhere near Stratford. I believe the check will be made out to the United States Treasury.

    It’s after the sale is concluded and title is transferred to Hollywood East/Area 51 or whoever, that it becomes interesting for the Town. Hopefully, they have good lawyers and can drag the process along for another 18 months. By then, Miron will be back to chasing ambulances. The hoopla Miron is making of it is a bit premature (but I heard he had that problem).

    Nonetheless, this represents the best opportunity Stratford taxpayers will have for years to come. One can only hope that the Council will finally do the right thing.

  24. 24 freedomofspeach

    Some good points. Now a few facts. The US Army, should the new owner fail, still has the legal responsibility to clean up the site under Superfund. What they will do is put a fence up and leave it for another 20 years, and test it every year and say, yes its still contaminated.

    The good thing is, and here is what the taxpayers have to understand and take action on, is that the Governor has to sign off on this sale, and the new owner has to post a security for clean up costs to the state. So if there is $50 million in clean up, then they have to post $50 million in bonds or cash. If the new owner can’t get that done, then it will not move forward. The site only has to be cleaned up to industry level, and the site has to be limited in access. Check out the documents in http://www.auctionrp.com under Stratford for the restrictions. Also, since the town had lost its rights to develop the property, how can JM take credit for anything, he did not bring these people here, with a straight face?

    And yes, through the mismanagement of the “preferred developer” and the town for picking the now defunct one and not holding them to the contract or vetting them to see if they could really do the job, over $11 million in cash that was to be paid to the town for the property is gone, gone, gone. But remember who’s campaign finance manager had the contract for a lot of years to “manage” and “secure” the site (over $1 million paid by US Government) to them.

    Interesting

  25. 25 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    I am reluctant to get George started but…The U.S. Army is a little strapped for cash right now, what with a multi-trillion dollar deficit and that war. It may be never before they clean up that site.

    As for Mayor Miron’s participation, I doubt he will be showing this at his upcoming press conferences;

    May 2, 2007

    The Honorable James R. Miron
    Mayor
    Town of Stratford
    2725 Main Street
    Stratford, CT 06616

    Dear Mayor Miron:

    Thank you for your letter dated March 19, 2007, in which you informed us of the Stratford Town Council Resolution passed on March 12, 2007, regarding the Stratford Army Engine Plant (SAEP).
    As you are aware, a great deal of time and effort has been expended on the SAEP over the past twelve years. We have worked diligently with the Town, Army and the community at large to develop a sensible plan for the reuse of the property. We committed to this course of action at the beginning and will stay committed for as long as is necessary to bring this matter to a successful conclusion.
    However, we must regretfully decline the Town Council’s request for legislation which would restrict the Army from seeking buyers for the surplus lands surrounding the plant and obligate the government to spend $150 million in remediation efforts without being able to seek a private firm willing to assume the financial burden of cleaning the site pursuant to developing the land for reuse. The reasons are twofold. First, the financial subsidy requested for the remediation of the SAEP property is simply unattainable in any reasonable amount of time given the current budgetary limitations in Washington. Commencing a new process would potentially take years to conclude and would not be in the best interests of either the Town of Stratford or any of the involved parties. We have all waited far too long. Second, the current process, put in place by the Army and the General Services Administration (GSA), is an open and transparent bidding process which will result in the determination of the rights to develop the property in a manner that can uphold public scrutiny. The legislative language which you have proposed does not assume a similar open public process. At this late date, we cannot, and should not, interfere with the decision made by the Army to follow its announced regulatory process.
    Although arriving at this decision was difficult, we believe it is right. We remain hopeful that the auction will yield a responsible developer who will voluntarily assume the duty to remediate the property, removing the burden from the taxpayers, and ultimately generate much needed economic development for both Stratford and the region at large. The bidding process, which is contingent on public and Town participation, will ensure that all recommendations, development proposals, and public concerns are vetted and addressed. In fact, we know through staff attendance at a meeting earlier this week that the firm contracted to facilitate the auction has made public input a priority. We are confident that proceeding with the present course of action, along with a renewed commitment by the Town of Stratford and the public to participate positively in the process, will yield a new use of the property which will satisfy both the Town’s desire for site control and the community’s wishes for a clean, revitalized development.
    We will continue to work as hard as possible to ensure, whatever the outcome of the approved proposal, it will support the Town’s economic development priorities.

    Sincerely,

    CHRISTOPHER J. DODD JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN

    United States Senator United States Senator

    ROSA L. DELAURO CHRISTOPHER SHAYS

    Member of Congress Member of Congress

    JOHN B. LARSON JOSEPH COURTNEY

    Member of Congress Member of Congress

    CHRISTOPHER S. MURPHY

    Member of Congress

  26. 26 1george1

    Yo F O S,

    Can you explain CUNCTATORIAL TACTICS as it relates to
    > Increasing BILLING;
    > Perpetuating CONSULTANT FEES;
    > Job Security of Bureaucratic Administrators & Caretakers;
    > Opportunity to SET UP:
    >>> protective DEFENSES & PERSONNEL;
    >>> steering situations, like ARMY BID, for plausible deniability;
    >>> merging firms, who had no “apparent” connection, who in fact may have
    been involved in plausibly deniable STEERING?

    Interesting?

    Are there connectable DOTS?
    If so, who would create the BILL of PARTICUARS?
    If the B. O. P. was created, who could cause a Grand Jury?
    If a Grand Jury was created, who could assure they would see the fruit
    of a full, intensive, and unbiased investigation?
    > Who would be charged with jurisdiction to do such an Investigation?

  27. 27 freedomofspeach

    Well first why go for economic development for a site that would benefit others and taxpayers while someone connected to your campaign brings in millions in revenue as “caretaker”?

    Who were Team Stratford’s consultant and attorney? It’s rhetorical and easy to figure out; one is part of the trial for steel point, the other had SEC problems in the past.

    I don’t know who the new owners are, but I can bet they are not related to the first group and wont hire the same “Team” The Army has learned a lesson. But you never know.

  28. 28 sudds

    GOOD job Jez!

    How can we get a copy of this on official letterhead so we can hand it out when our esteemed (LOL) mayor holds his press conference??? :o}

  29. 30 1george1

    Jeze & Sudds,

    The posted letter from Federal Officials is simply documentation necessary
    to cost justify the lower price from the BID, in my opinion.

    1. This is a Joint release from several Federal Elected Officials, which is very
    heavily discussed and prepped from each office for CYA / PYA.

    2. All decisions rendered start with intake personnel, normally junior people.
    It is passed to the Department or Agency for review and response.

    3. The repLIES are carefully screened by Dept / Agency Attorneys.
    Each Dept / Agency has liaisons, specifically assigned to Towns or Congress
    people or Senators or issues, for crafting / steering / communications.
    > Unlikely any in either side are not criminally or treasonously oriented.

    4. Those repLIES are carefully screened and crafted by Senior staff personnel,
    who sometimes do not consult with the elected on minor issues, but
    certainly run THIS ISSUE past the Congress person and perhaps 2 Senators?

    The AVCO SAEP & AIRPORT are a huge project timed to mirror STEAL POINT.
    Lots of GRAFT & PATRONAGE for RETIREMENTS to justify bribing certain police
    and law enforcement, with out rageous PENSIONS and to throw BAGS of money
    to MALEABLE LAWYERS and BUREAUCRATS.

  30. 31 freedomofspeach

    1George1:

    You’re probably not to far off, I guess I am confused about what you mean on some of it.

    The timing of Steel Point and possibly the relationship to some Bridgeport law firms intentionally holding up the progress in Stratford to make the play in Bridgeport is highly possible, but I think it backfired. Do you think after the ongoing legal issues from the original developer for Steel Point and the testimony on the corruption of the players, including the lawyers that the Steel Point project is going to move forward faster than the Avco site? I think the new Avco property owners, who dropped over $9million are going to move fast, remember that is cash, the Army does not take back notes on any, let alone, contaminated property.

  31. 32 sudds

    “The posted letter from Federal Officials is simply documentation necessary
    to cost justify the lower price from the BID”

    In my opions it justifies that at the end of the day our mayor did NOTHING successful in this entire process! If it weren’t for the Federal Gov’t taking back over we’d still have NOTHING being done with that dumb!

    Wow… that Kool-Aid must taste REAL good, huh George???

  32. 33 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    If you ever meet a guy named Fred Hyatt, ask him what he thinks of Team Stratford.

  33. 34 freedomofspeach

    You mean Col Fred Hyatt Ret US Army?

  34. 35 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    Yes…that Fred Hyatt. You might also ask Fred how he liked Jim Neale.

  35. 36 freedomofspeach

    Jim Neale, from Emergency Managment?

  36. 37 1george1

    Sudds,
    All along I criticized Mirons / Burturlas / B utter nuts as I believe they
    have used cunctatorial process to screw up AVCO / SHAKESPEARE / EPA
    clean ups, and more. Why?

    I believe to set up own personnel in
    1 . Ethics Commission oversight
    2. Police Force
    3. State Police relationships (see J. B. Resume in State Police Homeland Security)
    4. FBI – Bpt co-head = former Stratford police under Joe Burturla & son of Fairfield
    police capt. (People I “trusted,” speak highly of the son)
    5. Town Atty (& associates)
    6. State’s Criminal Attorneys, like Joe Harry, ex-Stfd PD & Michael DeJoseph of Norwalk
    and was on original Ethics reconstituted Commission
    6a. State Attorney General > Kevin Kelly worked as investigator for BlueMenthol.
    (see his resume)
    7. U. S. Justice > Twardy – Droney – Dooley – O’Conner (now a Bush # 3 in D.C.)
    8. U. S. Army > ex-Army Judge Advocate presented for Montiposillyco / Norm
    to Feehan, @ Town Council, with WILLINGER & BUCCI paying for Court Steno.
    8a. Firm merged with Berchem, has ex-Army Judge Advocate among 8 members.

    DeLauro was Dodd’s chief of Staff.

    Lieberman lip locked Bush, after running with YALIE Skull & Bones Kerry vs.
    YaLIES, Cheney & Bush (Skull & Bones)

    G H W Bush sold Ashcroft brand for Dresser and named son Neil Mallon Bush
    after Dresser C.E.O. Neil Mallon, YaLIE (Skull & Bones)

    C he NEY, was C. E. O. of Halliburton in 1999, when it still owned Dresser,
    Stratford, now renamed ASHCROFT.

    W Bush had A. G. named ASHCROFT

    U. S. Baird is the same name of a Branch of the Rockefeller family, whose
    D – WV > (Jay) J. D. Rockefeller IV (league) heads the Senate Intelligence
    Committee on the (D) side. Bush flunkies are both D & R.

    Percy Rockefeller was on Board of Director in early 1900s of Brown Brothers
    Harriman, of which Prescott Bush became a partner, with Roland & W Averill
    Harriman. There father Ed Harriman was partners in Standard Oil.
    > PREscott BUSH was appointed CT. U. S. Senator about the time W. Averill
    Harriman became D – NY Governor, with the help of Tammany gangster
    (alleged) Carmine DeSapio.
    > Nelson Rockefeller became R – NY Governor, allegedly with the help of the
    alleged Tammany Gangster Jerry Finkelstein, father of Andrew Stein NY City
    Council, which co-incidentally employed Jon Best, who also coincidentally
    was employed by Bridgeport Mayor Bucci and Fairfield 1st Selectperson
    Jackie duRELL (like the name Jodi RELL & W aveRELL)
    (Jon, like me, was probably not knowledgeable about being someone’s pawn)

    > Nelson became the UNELECTED USA V. P. to USA UNELECTED PRESIDENT
    Gerald Ford, member of the Warren Commission which most people do NOT
    believe the results of that Report, among others.
    > David Rockefeller, brother of Nelson was credited with creating and running
    the NYC TRILATERAL COMMISSION, of which Membership includes:
    – Jimmy Carter
    – Breszinski
    – Kissinger
    – G H W Bush
    – Bill Clinton
    – George Schultz, grandson of the Treasurer of Standard Oil of J. D. # 1,
    also on Board of directors of Exxon / Mobil, and sponsor of Condo Rice,
    (ex- Stanford Provost, with an OIL TANKER named for her)

    I am not sure DADDY WARBUCKS was modelled on, but it is probable an
    ancestor of one of the above.

    And ROCKY & BULLWINKLE was a parody on the
    ROCKEFELLERS
    & BULL MOOSE ROOSEVELTS

    Oh, to complete Jeze’s chargrin, I can mathematically prove, that the USA
    Standard Oil / Military Industrial Complex / Scientific Technological Elite /
    primogenitor decendants of the deciples of the PLANT AGE NET, created
    OPEC

    and framed Ted Kennedy with the Mary Jo k-OPEC-hne, abridgement.

  37. 38 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    LOL!

    No. Lt. Col Jim Neale (ret) from the U.S. Army.

  38. 39 freedomofspeach

    Dont know him, do know the same name as the former State EM official under L. Weicker

  39. 40 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    Oh wait…. yes, THAT Jim Neale!

    Damn, you’re old!

  40. 41 freedomofspeach

    its not the years, its the miles

  41. 42 jonbest

    George
    I never was employed by Andy Stein. I was hired in Bridgeport by Len Paoletta and that position was carried over into the Bucci Administration. The last correspondence I received from former Mayor Bucci was in role as part of the Law firm that represented Team Stratford threatening me to cease and desist from commenting on the SAEP or he would consider that I was interfering with their business.
    I was a contract employee to the Town of Fairfield as the Fire Chief following Chief Russell’s retirement. It was a one year deal while a new fire contract was negotiated and a permanent chief was chosen.
    Thanks for the support and comments George. I just wanted to make sure all the facts were out there.

    http://www.bestforstratford.com

    Jon Best

  42. 43 jezebel282

    Hello Jon!

    Welcome to our new home.

    Any thoughts on the recent appointment of Christian Miron to Stratford’s finest? Or perhaps the leaking of his qualifications, Mr. Candidate for Mayor?

  43. 44 jonbest

    I think that leaking the employment records of any prospective employee is wrong. People are afforded protection in CT from anyone doing that. In FL the sunshine laws require that employment information in some situtation be available. I believe in transparent govenment but I also feel that in this case because of the legal restriction it was wrong. I have not seen any information except what I have read in the paper and would be hard pressed to comment on Christen’s appointment (if it occurs). The glare of the public spotlight is bright and if you run for office or work in public service the potential of it be shined on you exists. Everyone that makes that commitment to run for office or work in public service should recognize and accept that. I do. Thank you for welcoming me.
    Also I have opened an exploratory committee not announced my candidacy.

    Jon Best

  44. 45 jonbest

    Please accept this comment from my website as a further clarification.

    STRATFORD DESERVES BETTER THAN POLITICS AS USUAL

    In times of crisis, adversity and temptation the leader’s integrity must be evident. The Town of Stratford is facing all these things. The crisis is in the financial status of the town and the people’s loss of faith in local government officials. The adversity is that many of the challenges we face do not have easy fixes. While managing our Mayoral form of government, some may be tempted to take the easy way out of problems, a way which will provide no long-term benefits for Stratford.

    This 2009 Mayoral election is critically important to the Town and its fiuture. We must elect a Mayor who will end the politics of the past, who will work for the policies of the future and will ensure that all points of view are heard and considered. If we fail in this task, we will be forced to live with the consequences for years to come.

    The Mayor must be free from the restraints of business as usual. The Mayor must have Leadership, Integrity, Vision and Experience. The Mayor must stand up and tell us how they will solve the problems facing us. This must be an election of confidence and ideas, not of political backroom deals. The elected Mayor must be able to lead Stratford through both the good times and the bad. They must consistently act for the public good and not for personal gain. The Mayor must be prepared to standup and tell the people the problems we face and offer solutions. The Mayor must open our government for all to see. Nothing should be done in backrooms. If the people can’t see what government and our elected officials are doing, than our government and elected officials shouldn’t be doing it.

    Integrity is exhibited in actions. We deserve better than what we have had these past years. We need a Mayor who is prepared to competently address the complex issues we face, not play political games.

    I believe Stratford is at a crossroads that will determine the future of the town I love. There is no second chance; there is no do over. This is our moment Stratford,- our moment to show how good government can really be, how well it can work for its citizens, to make our town a shining star among the communities in Connecticut. We can set an example for our children about what good government is and how getting involved is important.

    The Hall of Fame football coach, Bill Walsh once said,“Leadership comes from competence; Leadership is from example, not by talk.”

  45. 46 sudds

    Hello Mr. Best,

    In addition to Jez’s questions would you also like to comment on members of the FRC justifying the rate hike because the town should not subsidize the fun of golfers?

    If this is the case then shouldn’t I, as an individual with no children, get a tax refund because I’m should not have to subsidize the schools in town?

    Or even better… how about how about the library??? I’ve never been in there… so I should I expect my refund because I no longer subsidize the fun people get out of reading?

    Oh wait… (I’m starting to like the thinking of the FRC) other than golf I’ve never been to Short Beach either… sweet… more moo-la coming my way… right Mr. Mayoral Candidate?

    So, what are your thoughts Mr. Best??? Inquiring… oops… I mean VOTING minds want to know!!! (Mr. Costello feel free to respond too if you read this)

  46. 47 sudds

    PS…

    The Hall of Fame football coach, Bill Walsh once said,“Leadership comes from competence; Leadership is from example, not by talk.”

    &

    “I have not seen any information except what I have read in the paper and would be hard pressed to comment on Christen’s appointment (if it occurs).”

    =

    So am I correct in believing that your inaction on this topic is a sign of your lack of leadership???

  47. 48 mikereynolds

    Sudds, don’t sugarcoat it…Tell us how you really feel.

  48. 49 jonbest

    I think the initial discussions regarding revenue by anyone except council members (who are involved in the budget process) are premature. Government while it can be run like a business has distinctive differences. Some of them are that citizens are entitled to certain services as the result of tax payments. Are taxes too high ABSOLUTLEY but I am not sure that the rate increases at the golf course will make up the difference. We first need to understand what things cost before we attempt to collect more money on the backs of people who are having a hard time making ends meet. Good management combined with prudent fiscal practices will stabilize the situation. You cannot do one without the other. This is a complex problem and quick comments or glib answers with no solutions serve no one well. We need to work togather to resolve these issues and use the best ideas and practices not make inappropriate comments. I have my concerns about the FRC and only time will tell if those concerns are legitimate. I believe that the financial management of the town should be left with the individuals elected to do it and not given to a committee. I did not elect a committee I elected councilmen to do what the charter says they should. It does not restrict them from getting advice but did we need another formal committee. Each of us has our own opinions.

    Jonathan Best

  49. 50 jonbest

    No Sudds you can rely on the fact that I would act if I had all the correct information and not just the newspaper. I would want to see all sides of the issue. I can assure you if action was required it would be taken. Getting the facts is not lack of leadership it is an inherent responsibility of a leader, acting on less than complete information is stupidity. Acting without understanding the ramifications is what cost the taxpayers money in the long run. I advocate responsibility and cost effectiveness in government.

    Jonathan Best

  50. 51 freedomofspeach

    I havent looked it up, but can someone cite me the CT law that they are talking about regarding privacy of public employee records? I know health records are protected under HIIPA. Thanks

  51. 52 1george1

    Jon,

    I missed you at the C.R.C. Your attendance has been about that of Madlyn
    Neupert, but not as good as Walt & Rita (perfect attendance) from what I
    have heard. I knew Eric & Ben would be out on (separate) vacation, which
    they told the C. R. C. last week.

    Thank you for the clarification about places you worked and relationships.
    I have blogged that I like you personally and admire the work done in EMS
    and others. (I am not sure I would support you for Mayor, for my own reasons)

    Jon
    > I believe you would have made a superior Mayor to Jim.
    > I have no idea about Dom’s abilities, but respect the work he has put in and
    his support for single HANDedly bringing back the Lawn Sign INDUSTRY, along
    with the FOR SALE Signs, which slightly out number his plantings. 8)
    > I believe Bill O’Brien could have done a better job than Jim. However Bill did
    NOT know the ISSUES in the DEBATES and I believe embarassed himself.
    > Tom Carroll – NO COMMENT 😦
    > If I was some how the Mayor, the local Economics would be more active and
    the waste within Budgets, would be addressed, as well as NEW Revenue sources
    for the Town. 🙂

    I respect everyone’s Constitutional, Criminal, Civil, & Contractual Rights. 😉

    I, too, agree Christian Miron’s Rights were violated. D E F I N I T E L Y! 😦

    However, from my past experience with Dick Miron & Burturla, I do NOT find
    it completely implausible (JEZE’s suggestion) that there is a POSSIBILITY that it
    is a COUNTER INTUITIVE PLOT(kin) for either a Revenue Source from the Town
    to Bail Out the Tombstone DEAD BEAT, and/or shift/cause changes for BAD PRECEDENTS involving the POLICE and hiring / personnel process. ;(
    > (See Burturla’s avalanche of Opinions to the C.R.C. for a Billing vehicle &
    causal to try restructure process to self benefit & protections) 😦

    However, there are PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. And the Miron / Burturla Machine
    and past practices, makes the expose’ a possible, repeat possible, legitimate
    Whistleblower issue. I don’t know?

    However, Christian is neither the first, nor last person with political connections
    who applied to Stratford Police, Board of Ed, Fire, Public Works, Admin, etc.

    Jon,
    It looks like sudds & mike reynolds had a new target, until I posted this blog,
    praising your EMS work and backing (mostly) your position on Christian, with
    some HUGE “howevers.” 😉

    I suspect they will give me my turn in the barrel, which I enjoy legitimate
    debate, and even CLEVER INSULTS. 😉

  52. 53 jezebel282

    Mr. Best?

    Aren’t you glad you posted here?

  53. 54 jonbest

    Thank you George for your qualified support of my past campaigns. If I decide to run I will contact you to see if you have changed you mind about me in the future. Last night I was teaching a course on Disaster Triage at EMS and did not get to town hall until the CRC was breaking up. I am distressed that only a few sit there and listen to the discussions. I believe that they are healthy for the town. There are several things I disagree with and will comment on them during the next public hearing. I am at a loss to understand how anyone could come and comment if they have not attended. I try to attend all the CRC meetings I can. I believe attendance is part of the process and you my friend have been among the attendees or regulars. Your attendance at these meetings is itself a service to your fellow citizens.
    On behalf of all of us Thank You.

    Jonathan Best

  54. 55 jonbest

    Not a problem Jeze. I am always willing to discuss the issues that will effect the future of this Town, our families, seniors, children and grandchildren. What happens here is our legacy to them. Stratford is a great town with great potential it need leadership.

    Jonathan Best

  55. 56 freedomofspeach

    1George1:

    I have to disagree with you that his rights were violated. What rights? What expectation of privacy or legal statute protection does he have being the brother and son of newsworthy public officials, and the brother of a convicted felon, applying for a police position? He applied for a public job of extreme public trust. Just as applications for concealed weapons permits can be FOIA fodder, that I believe is a protected right, why not public officials who carry guns?

    I believe the private employment records in the private sector are confidential, there is an expectation of privacy, however when you apply for a public job, there is none, as seen in the below link to a FOIA decision, its open season. In addition, there is not a FCRA, DLPA, HIIPA, or other release that I know of, and clearly absent a law on the books, its should not be against the law. An action take to protect the health and safety of public employees against unqualified applicants should not be prosecuted. That’s just my humble opinion. Also, being that the entire family is newsworthy, with a public official son, father, and a public person sister (due to the criminal case) I think 12 people would probably say he is a public person.

    Should someone who allegedly used illegal drugs, and possibly was not truthful on other criminal activity be given such a position? What about the rumor (and its all I know it as) the fact that he stated that none of his family members have committed a crime, while one has pleaded guilty in effect to one? If he does not understand that if your embezzle thousands of dollars, or take money and don’t perform services, at least one of them is a crime, and since there is a clear court record of on plea so far, how could he, if he did, say that with a straight face?

    Here is the link, I would enjoy seeing the cite on what law protects the release of public job applications, as I have not had the time to look it up.

    http://www.state.ct.us/FOI/1993FD/19930728/FIC1992-349.htm

  56. 57 pcsperling

    Freedom ~

    I’ve captured the section of the CGS which deals with employee’s consent before disclosure; however, since Christian Miron is not “officially” an employee, would this apply?

    Also, if it does apply, the material was disclosed to the Town Council which is “affiliated” with the employee (the Town of Stratford), right?

    I know EVERYTHING in law is based on the reader’s interpretation, so there could be an argument from someone like Rich Buturla that it’s still an illegal disclosure.

    Your thoughts?

    “Sec. 31-128f. Employee’s consent required for disclosure. No individually identifiable information contained in the personnel file or medical records of any employee shall be disclosed by an employer to any person or entity not employed by or affiliated with the employer without the written authorization of such employee except where the information is limited to the verification of dates of employment and the employee’s title or position and wage or salary or where the disclosure is made: (1) To a third party that maintains or prepares employment records or performs other employment-related services for the employer; (2) pursuant to a lawfully issued administrative summons or judicial order, including a search warrant or subpoena, or in response to a government audit or the investigation or defense of personnel-related complaints against the employer; (3) pursuant to a request by a law enforcement agency for an employee’s home address and dates of his attendance at work; (4) in response to an apparent medical emergency or to apprise the employee’s physician of a medical condition of which the employee may not be aware; (5) to comply with federal, state or local laws or regulations; or (6) where the information is disseminated pursuant to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement. Where such authorization involves medical records the employer shall inform the concerned employee of his or his physician’s right of inspection and correction, his right to withhold authorization, and the effect of any withholding of such authorization upon such employee.”

  57. 58 mikereynolds

    George,
    Obviously your tin foil hat fell down in front of your eyes while you were reading.

    I said nothing against Jon Best. I just chided Sudds. If you weren’t so busy researching all your little conspriacy theories you would have remembered that I pledged to vote for Jon Best when he made some comments on SPT.

  58. 59 jonbest

    Mike
    I did not take anything you said as an attack. I appreciate your support. Thank you.

    Jonathan Best

  59. 60 sudds

    First of all let me state that I have great respect for the thing sthat you have done (and continue to do) for our town Mr. Best! And until PCS declares her candidacy I am actually a supporter of your candidacy (it’s not like you have much competition).

    However, that being said… I’m just sick of all of the talk in this town and no actions being taken (other than our mayor occasionally making stupid desicions that only he supports).

    PS… here’s a question for all of you legal-eagles out there… is it true that someone lying on an an application is just grounds for termination? And if so, (hypothetically speaking of course) couldn’t answering “no” to a question about if you know anyone involved in criminal activity while your sister is currently serving some sort of probation and your father is being sued by the state be deemed lying? Just wondering!!! Thanks for the info!!!

  60. 61 pcsperling

    Sudds ~

    Companies like UBS, Prudential, RBS and other companies that do background checks will terminate you if you lie on an application. I commuted with someone who was laid-off at UBS, got a job at Prudential, and there was something fact-checked that she was not honest about, and she was fired.

    She did work for them until the background check was completed and came back. It happens all the time in the corporate worlds I am familiar with.

  61. 62 mikereynolds

    Sudds,
    If you lie on an application regarding your criminal history you can be disqualified/terminated.

  62. 63 freedomofspeach

    I am sure its goibng to be consdered a tort for invasion of privacy.

    Here is something that would be consdered in this:

    Section 652D of the Restatement (Second) of Torts defines a tort action for the invasion of personal privacy as being triggered by public disclosure of any matter that “(a) would be highly offensive to a reasonable person, and (b) is not of legitimate concern to the public.”

    Perkins notes at 228 Conn. 174: “The legislature has, furthermore, determined that disclosures relating to the employees of public agencies are presumptively legitimate matters of public concern.”

    I like the Perkins test:

    Specifically, under the Perkins test, the claimant must first establish that the files in question are personnel, medical or similar files. Second, the claimant must show that disclosure of the records would constitute an invasion of personal privacy. In determining whether disclosure would constitute an invasion of personal privacy, the claimant must establish both of two elements: first, that the information sought does not pertain to legitimate matters of public concern, and second, that disclosure of such information is highly offensive to a reasonable person.

    I know this mostly covers employees, and he may not be, however, he did get a conditional offer probably subject to completion of the police academy, during that time he is a conditional employee and covered under Stratford’s insurance, thus he is an employee. I am sure the acceptance of the offer will not be found, however, does anyone in Stratford not believe that the information is of legitimate public concern?

    Finally, disclosure to elected public officials (are they not town employees) of things of concern (mismanagement and nepotism of the Mayors office and the Police Department) are they not the legislative body of the town? Is it not their duty, by charter and statue, to manage the affairs of the town? Is the hiring of a allegedly unqualified and “untruthful” person, who in almost every other town or city would not be offered a position, let alone certified to attend the police academy, but for his brother and father, make this a of legitimate public concern?

  63. 64 pcsperling

    P.S. In her defense, she was qualified. The woman I speak about worked for many years at UBS doing exactly what she was hired for at Prudential and, based on experience, was more than qualified, but, because she was not honest on one part of her application, it didn’t matter.

    I venture to bet that there are tons of applicants out there who will say they have a degree in order to get a job. Some companies will check; others won’t. It’s luck of the draw, I guess.

  64. 65 freedomofspeach

    Well I have to say, he allegedly said “no” and the polygraph stated that there was some issues with the some of his answers, so he allegedly misspoke and the machine caught him, and yet he got the offer. It would be a disqualifier unless he clarified his answer. And ploygraphs are pretty much yes or no questions.

  65. 66 sudds

    Thank you for the clarity Madam Mayor!

  66. 67 pcsperling

    Sudds ~

    I’d have to say that FOS has a great deal more knowledge than I on this one.

    FOS ~

    I do have to say that I think the public is legitimately concerned and whoever got this info to the Town Council and media was as well.

    There’s a bunch of other Towns that he could have applied to, why Stratford? I would hope that there’s a better answer than because he knew he was a “shoe-in.”

  67. 68 1george1

    An excellent exchange of informed and informative opinions.
    I especially found F O S opinion and PCS counter to be food for thought!

    Even Mike Reynolds has a couple of excellent points, beyond his
    tin foil fetish. 🙂

    I have read recent articles on how polygraphs work. And there are
    numberous reasons why false readings can occur, beyond lying.

    Sudds, asked a good question, causal to answers about termination.

    Jon, was diplomaticly political 8) in his responses. Teasing! 😉

    I am curious about the “possibilities” of using the R. I. C. O. Act,
    in a CIVIL CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT against a certain firm, to recover
    past damages and punitive damages, if a jury would conclude…

    WHAT?

    What would need to be the basis for verdict?

    Civil suit has different levels for verdict than Criminal?

    What are the Damage potential?

    What are the Punitive damage potential?

    What is necessary for Class action?

    Where would one turn in CORRUPTICUT for LEGAL MALPRACTICE,
    since the ABA STEAL WALL is thicker than the BLUE WALL?

    Where would one find honest Federal Judges and ability to
    block manipulation of Judicial (political appointee / connections)
    Docketing and Jury Selecting (tampering)

  68. 69 jezebel282

    Wow! I go away for a meeting and look what happens!

    A couple of points:

    1. Mr. Best you are eminently more qualified to be mayor than James R. Miron. As I have previously said; There is a BIG difference between driving an ambulance and chasing one. That being said, whether you are the most qualified in Stratford has yet to be determined.

    2. My issue with Short Beach fees and revenue from the train station is where does that approximately $500,000 go? Obviously not back into Short Beach or the train station. Which begs the question; why have fees for residents?

    3. You chose to be non-responsive in your answer regarding Christian Miron. (Maybe you are hanging out with Gavin Forrester too much). That is unfortunate. As an expert in public safety, you should have some opinion of whether this sordid little episode effects the morale of Stratford’s Finest and the safety of its citizens.

    4. You chose to speak of the qualities of a mayor but have not referred to the work of the CRC although your attendance has been exemplary. My vote will cost a little more clarity.

  69. 70 jezebel282

    George,

    Before you speak again about Christian Miron’s “rights”, can you explain how it is that you were able to examine the CV’s of applicants to the Charter Revision Commission? And how that might be different?

  70. 71 jonbest

    Jeze
    I will work hard to earn your support.
    Regarding my opinion as I stated before I do not feel I have seen enough information to be fair. Everything I have read is not good but I also need to be aware that there are always too sides. Do I think this has been handled badly YES. Do I think the town may have liability Yes. Do I think the employment records should have been released this way NO. Do I think government should be transparent YES. But to run off half cocked (armed or not) would not serve anyone well. For the time being I will continue to observe the situation and when I feel I have enough information I will have a comment.
    I have not mentioned the work of the CRC because I want to see the final result. I like the discussions and think they are healthy but there are still more open forums and time to create their final product. I will have comments at the open forum based on what I have heard to date.
    So I ask you provide me some time and allow the CRC to finish their task. The results are what have importance to the town.
    Hope this is a little more clarity.

    Jonathan Best

  71. 72 jezebel282

    Mr. Best,

    Better. I looked forward to hearing your comments. I’ve even given you a special section for them.

  72. 73 jonbest

    Thank you

  73. 74 sudds

    ok Mr. Best… let’s make this a little easier for you…

    Suppose there was a town that we’ll call Tratfords…

    and in this fictious town of ours a young man applied to be an officer of the law.

    However, during the applcation process this individual (1) admitted to using ILLEGAL narcotics, (2) LIED about driving drunk, (3) LIED about knowing anyone who had committed a crime [even though his sister was serving probation, and his father was being investigated by the Attorney General], and barely passed the psycological portion [although with a warning from the shrink].

    Now let’s suppose that you personally live in Tratfords.

    Do you think that this candidate is qualified to be a police officer in your town?

    Now suppose that this individuals brother is the mayor of our beloved little fictious town… and that the applicant is given the position of being a police office.

    Now let’s suppose that it’s 3am, you’re lying in bed and you hear crash in living room!Would you feel safe having this polce officer being the respondant at your house?

    Ya know what… forget it… if I really need to spoon feed it to you like this then you’re definitely NOT the candidate for me!!!

  74. 75 jezebel282

    Sudds?

    3am? You should call Hillary Clinton! She’s waiting by the phone then!

  75. 76 sudds

    IF I lived in Tratfords I’d probably have better luck calling her than our ficticious police candidate who is driving drunk and stoned while contemplating whether of not he really wants to be a cop!!!

  76. 77 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    You’ve really got to learn not to hide your feelings.

  77. 78 sudds

    Feelings… shmeelings… I’m just looking for a candidate that doesn’t think we’re all dumb enough to realize that they’re just dancing around the issues without actually committing to anything!

    Show me a candidate with enough common sense, courage & respect for voters to say “based on reports in the press, this at-will town employee should be terminated IMMEDIATELY”… and I’ll show you my candidate!!!

  78. 79 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Show me a candidate with enough common sense, courage & respect for voters”

    I can’t. There isn’t one…..yet.

  79. 80 gforrester

    (Maybe you are hanging out with Gavin Forrester too much).

    Oh Jez I don’t think so. Jon and I are not on the same page on a quiet a few issues. Take for example the CRC. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that it’s heading down the path of disaster. Debating if there should be an ordinance to set the mayor’s salary for the four year term of office rather than having the salary as a part of the annual budget process which would allow residents every year to voice their oppinion on if they are getting any value for their money was not what the commisison was founded for. Yes they have defined the line of succession but it’s yet to be seen how far they will go to really make effective changes in the document, and reading the minutes, I have to wonder if they will be many real changes.

  80. 81 1george1

    Hi Gavin,

    I agree with your assessment of the C. R. C.
    Or maybe, because I predicted & raised certain issues, months ago …. 😉

    I would be very curious if you posted your opinions to my Apr 14 presentation
    to the Town Council?

    Please post the Budget hearing dates & places, as well as the Workshops.

    I will e-mail this blog to you with the attachment of the two pages, (already posted
    in 2 back to back blogs Thurs pm or Fri am) so you can take apart my positions or simply answer them. Whatever you choose.

    Since I pick on the Town Council only fair to be a TARGET for my opinions.

    I have to contact Tom Moore about the F. R. B. I already put in a request to
    C.A.O. McCauley, since my dogs do hunt, and act as bird dogs and watch dogs,
    but not lap dogs.

  81. 82 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    Welcome to our new home. It is always a pleasure to have you and Mr. Best here. I must admit, sitting in on CRC meetings is a very frustrating experience. I sometimes wonder what you were thinking when you and other Council members decided to put four attorneys and a campaign manager (you know John Fahan, don’t you?) on the Commission. I think the only reason we have judges is to have some way of getting an attorney to shut up.

    “Debating if there should be an ordinance to set the mayor’s salary for the four year term of office rather than having the salary as a part of the annual budget process which would allow residents every year to voice their oppinion on if they are getting any value for their money was not what the commisison was founded for.”

    You are correct. The “critical” succession issue could have been decided in less than 10 minutes. As for salary…it is what it is. Whoever runs for this office has to support himself and his/her family. After all, it is (or should be) not just a 40 hour/week job. Salary should be set for the term by the council. Annually is a little too much power. It is no different than, say, a congressman’s salary.

    If we go the route where the Mayor’s compensation is determined at every budget, then it would also be reasonable to suggest that each Councilman gets a monetary bonus for each 1 mill reduction and corresponding assessment in our taxes. A sure fire way to lower our taxes!

    Progress by the CRC is not very clear. Perhaps that is John Florek’s fault for not posting more information. However, I will continue to have faith in the CRC until proven wrong.

    This Thursday April 24th is the Public’s chance to express their suggestions/frustrations. Sadly, one of the major proponents of Charter Revision will not be there. David Blumstein’s wife is undergoing major surgery on the 23rd. He will not be able to attend. However, it is very important for the rest of us to show our concern about their work.

    The CRC is not a typical Stratford political event. This will determine how our government operates and what protections will be available to us. This Revision will have a profound influence on our taxes, our voting, our schools, and our property values. We will not have this opportunity again for a minimum of SIX years.

  82. 83 freedomofspeach

    Not sure how the Mayors pay is structured, but how about any raises have to be tied to a referendum or vote? No less than a set amount, with a COLA, but any raises has to go back to the townspeople. Also, this has to be the only job the Mayor has, none of the “I have a law practice” or “I sell insurance” BS. The only other job the Mayor should have is public speaking and educational, and be out of state. I think that the problems of Bridgeport with law firms and Mayors should not be repeated, nor the office or outside employment be used to feather the bed of the Mayor.

  83. 84 jezebel282

    Feedom,

    Easy enough.

    “Also, this has to be the only job the Mayor has”

    It’s already in the current Charter. The problem is enforcement. No recall. But suspension without pay might be possible. For example, the current mayor has terminated 33 employees in 27 months. there are at least two discrimination suits and one union suit in progress. (I think Miron has his own coffee cup at the CHRO). But the only ones that will pay are us. It won’t cost Miron anything at all. And the only reason we will pay is because Miron decided to wrongfully terminate these people and hire cronies.

    $90,000 to run a budget/organization of $172 Million is actually underpaid. The only worse job would be Councilman.

  84. 85 1george1

    Jeze,

    Under law, Resumes for Town Council or certain other positions are open
    to the Freedom of Information Acts.
    Conversely, certain employment related personnel issues are not covered
    under the F. O. I., related to the Christian Miron mess. Certainly his resume
    is or should be available, using the logic of the F. O. I. However tests involving
    certain medical, interview, and other “personnel” issues appear to be a different
    matter, based on what the press reports.
    Do I like supporting people related to DEAD BEAT DICK or mIRON CURTAIN MAYOR?
    NO!
    Do I believe other people should have RIGHTS trampled, regardless of the cause
    and reasonable expectations of political abuse? NO!
    Should there be some sort of reasonable and legitimate WHISTLE BLOWER RIGHTS,
    related to this type of situation? YES!

    Jeze,
    I like your idea of tying the Mayor’s salary to Mil Rate reduction, while there
    should be restraints on services cost, due to the confluence.
    1 Miron might sell Garbage collection to the MOB, saving some of the Budget,
    but increasing overall cost to Taxpayers. (Any C.R.C. Attorneys know people
    who might decide to be bidders? 😉

    2 Miron might get someone to pay $ 40,000,000 for Long Beach West, reducing
    Debt and Burturla might get the State & Feds to accept financial responsibility
    for the $ 54 million ECS shortfall and perhaps $ 50 million in unpaid Mandates &
    Interest (compounded) due to the cost of the above?

    3 Miron might raise $ 250,000,000 selling Roosevelt Forrest to one of Berchem’s
    clients, for LOW INCOME HOUSING and DENSE CONDOS and pay off ALL DEBT
    which would help lower cost of refinancing the RUNAWAY PENSION. 8)

    Only item 2 could justify a raise and retention.
    Items 1 & 3 would have interesting political ramifications. 🙂
    I am NOT advocating any of the 1 & 3 items. However, since I think outside the
    BOX and inside it too, I wanted to make suggestions as to why I deserve to be
    on the F R C, despite not being a C. P. A. or having an M. B. A. 😉

    I thank Gavin for raising the ISSUES of WEB CAST & CHANNEL # 79 Broadcast to the
    Mayor, at the last Town Council Meeting.

    The town hires 100 seasonal workers according to the Mayor. How much could
    a “POOL” of High School kids or College Students need to be paid to do camera
    work for LIVE REAL TIME WEB BROADCAST of TOWN & EDUCATION Meetings?

    Since the Webcast are desired (by me) to be LIVE, it totally eliminates a need to
    EDIT, which is time consuming. A series of duplicate or triplicate TiVo or program
    Video recording devices would keep tapes or / and audio / video digital memory
    for necessary posterity and legal conformity.

    Lastly, the Town Budget was $ 171,000,000.+
    > $ 84,000,000 of that Budget was for the Board of Education with over
    1,000 employees. By law, there are significant separations of responsibilty
    and actual Administration within EDUCATION.
    Obviously, the mayor has certain responsibilities, but not day to day.

    $ 87,000,000 of that Budget was for the Town side with over 450 employees.
    > The heads of Police and Fire run day to day operations for Departments,
    with almost 200 of those employees with average annual pay:
    >> Fire $ 79 k
    >> Police $ 62 k
    > Public works comes next, outside the direct day to day operations,
    > Realistically, the Mayor’s office only directly oversee perhaps 30 % of the non
    seasonal employees and HIGH PRICED (HELP?) of the POLITICAL Appointees.

    $ 31,000,000 of the $ 87 m goes to INTEREST & PRICIPLE on PENSIONS & CAPITAL
    DEBT, as well as things like Social Security, annuities, unemployment, HEALTH
    BENEFITS, etc.
    > Most of this comes under the C. A. O. & Finance Director’s day to day functions, expertise, oversight, and operations. They also watch the rest of the TOWN BUDGET, but have virtually NO Control on EDUCATION BUDGETS.
    > The Town does have to PAY for certain EDUCATION Building needs, and maybe
    $ 14,000,000 of the remaining $ 46,000,000 is related to EDUCATION projects.

    Out of $ 87,000,000 of the TOWN BUDGET, annual payroll is $ 24,000,000
    for about 450 full time and 100 seasonal employees.


    $ 24,000,000 payroll to 550 active employee

    $ 16,312,000 is the ANNUAL PENSION OBLIGATION, as of FEB 2008 to 572 people.

    The FUND has $ 125,000,000 + and about 65 % Fully Funded, as of JULY 1, 2007.
    $ 210,000,000 was about the Existing Obligation as of JULY 1, 2007.

    > $ 84,000+ was the average of 10 annual PENSIONS for (ONLY) January 2008
    > $ 42,000+ was the average of ALL 2007 Annual PENSIONS

    > $ 15,900,000 was the 2008 Projected Obligation by the JULY 1, 2007 report
    > $ 16,312,000 was the ACTUAL FEB 2008 Obligation with 10 months to go and
    and average of about 28 expected retirees for the year, with only 11 in place?

    > > Conclusions:
    1. The ACTUAL average 2008 Obligation will be about 8 % ($ 1 m) than PROJECTED,
    upon which the FULLY FUNDING needs are PROJECTED.

    2. The PENSION is PROBABLY closer to 50 % FULLY FUNDED than 65 %, depending
    on the SUCCESS of the INVESTMENTS!

    3. There are 982 (not 882 as I believed) people vested in the Defined Benefit
    Pension plan, with the PENSION averages in the 2000s, almost DOUBLE the PENSION
    AVERAGES of the 1990s, with Dramatic escalation the last couple years.

    4. There are 400 people in the Defined Benefit Plan, yet to retire, with the
    $ 16,312,000 existing Annual OBLIGATION, is definite possibilty of being less than
    HALF of what the PEAK will become, due to expanded life expendency, which
    PROJECTING an AVERAGE of $ 25,000,000 annual PENSION Obligation to an AVERAGE
    of 30 years LIFE EXPECTANCY of RETIREES, this would mean 982 people would get
    3/4 of a BILLION DOLLARs from Stratford Tax payers of Residents and Businesses.

    Jeze quote:
    $90,000 to run a budget/organization of $172 Million is actually underpaid.
    The only worse job would be Councilman.

    If that is true, than what about the TAX PAYERS bearing the BURDENS of the
    ACTS of the MAYOR, TOWN ATTORNEYS, DEPT HEADS, EMPLOYEES …..
    (I favor good pay / benefits for everyone – but not ABUSIVE &/or non viable.)

    Also, what about the weary, unpaid, unfunded, and NOT appreciated PUBLIC
    FORUM contributors and activists, like the GREAT ED HARGUS & DIANE BUDA,
    or the Jim Mihaleys, Marcia Stewart, Walt/Rita Runkunis, Hank Cieucuk,
    Madelyn Neupert, Roger Emond, Jim Orlowe, Maury Johnson, Sue Sulier, and a
    certain deservedly hated, wind bagged bloghog blatherskite …. 8) ?

    Props too, to Jon Best, Dom, Calzone, Fredette, Joy, Silhavey, Vecsey
    and begrudgedly to Santi, Margo, Kent, Dave, Laura, & a few others who
    actually show up to Council & other meetings more often than the
    AVERAGE TOWN COUNCIL or EDUCATION or ZONING Candiate, prior to ANY
    of the ELECTIONS! 😦

    Obviously there are others. However, for seeing the same people over a
    certain period of YEARS…….
    Whatever the view of contributions and motivations………..

  85. 86 freedomofspeach

    I agree that the pay may be low, I am not sure what other Mayors are paid. Put its PUBLIC SERVICE. You’re not supposed to make a killing, it’s not Providence, where its $100,000 and all you can steal, or was that Bridgeport? I get them mixed up. Maybe it’s the present Stratford. The position should be 3% higher than your highest salaried person your managing.

    I guess you just have to manage your money, or have been responsible in the past, so you don’t have to go to the bank to buy your only owned mode of transportation. Was that a Vespa?

  86. 87 1george1

    Even Tom Carroll shows up to far more Town Council (& related) Meetings
    than Mayoral candidate Bill O’Brien, who I believe could be a decent option,
    if he knew the issues. To give Bill Credit, he is involved in other Commissions
    or Committees or Town / Sterling House related activities.
    Only so much time in the Day.

    In a Mayoral Debate:
    1. I would LOVE to challenge the contentions of the mIRON CURTAIN and mitigate
    the EXPECTED achievements.

    2. I will not tip my hand on JON or DOM. However, I do not expect to endorse either.

    3. I consider Bill to be a viable distraction and attraction for 4 figures of votes.

    4. If Diane does run and does not appear to be ready to drop out, my preferrance would be to withdraw AFTER DEBATES.

    5. I expect another surprize or three.

  87. 88 gforrester

    Please post the Budget hearing dates & places, as well as the Workshops.

    Budget hearing will be this Tuesday 6:30 PM @ Stratford High School continued the next night at 6:30 PM Wooster Middle School. If you can’t make one night you can come sign up the next. On Tuesday at 6:30 the BOE will have 20 minutes to put on a brief power point presentation on their budget proposal. This is a condensed version of what they did at the BOE Liasion meeting. I have offered the Mayor the same option of a 20 minutes presentation. Right after that the public will address the Ordinance Committee A.K.A. the Town Council for up to 5 minutes per person until all those signed up to speak have finished or 11 PM which ever comes first. The following evening we will get right to additional testimony from the public regarding the budget, no presentations from BOE or Mayor.

    I am still working out date for the workshops so as not to conflict with CRC or any special Town Council Meetings as the one scheduled for May 7th re. Shakespeare.

  88. 89 gforrester

    I sometimes wonder what you were thinking when you and other Council members decided to put four attorneys and a campaign manager (you know John Fahan, don’t you?) on the Commission.

    Jez you will have to create another “special” catagory for Mr. Proto because let’s not forget that he was (and maybe will be again) Jon Best’s campaign Manager and is also an attorney, and for one measure better, former Chairman of the Republican Town Committee. I’m only counting 3 attorneys on the CRC – Mr. Florek – Mr. Proto – and Mr. August. Since the Charter is a legal document gotta figure some experience with the law couldn’t hurt.

    I still think it’s a diverse group and I hope that they will be able to look at every issue raised from a variety of angles keeping the citizens at the forefront.

  89. 90 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    Members of the Bar: Florek, Proto, Orlowe and August. Of course somehow Buturla got himself in there too.

    That’s 50% of the people that are allowed to talk.

    “Since the Charter is a legal document gotta figure some experience with the law couldn’t hurt.”

    SOME is ok, but this is a little silly. Common Sense 101 is not required in Law School.

    It has already been mentioned here that Proto was Best’s campaign manager and HEAVILY involved with the RTC and “other” things.

    “I still think it’s a diverse group and I hope that they will be able to look at every issue raised from a variety of angles keeping the citizens at the forefront.”

    Hmm….let’s see. 2 women and 8 white guys, 5 of whom are lawyers. What was your grade in Diversity Class, Mr. Forrester?

    My point was, rushing somebody who is trained to bill in 15 minute increments is a difficult task. Keeping it simple with 5 lawyers is nearly impossible.

  90. 91 jezebel282

    George,

    I was kidding about the bonus for reducing taxes. It was for Councilmen not the Mayor. (Gotta think about that some more though).

  91. 92 gforrester

    Jez I just read Mr. Orlowe’s resume and the only thing that I see that comes close to being a lawyer is that he is a Justice of the Peace. Unless I am mistaken Mr. Orlowe is not a member of the Bar, at least according to his resume. As far as “2 women and 8 white guys, 5 of whom are lawyers” I don’t see why you count the Town Attorney as a part of the commission since he has no vote. Every Charter Revision Commission formed over the past 25 + year always has a Town Attorney assigned to answer questions regarding State & Federal Statutes.

    “What was your grade in Diversity Class, Mr. Forrester?” A + thank you Jez. Care to share with the reading public the diversity of the petitioners? You can only appoint from those who submitted resumes so feel free to go down to the Town Council Clerks office and review each one of them and you tell me what ratios the selection pool consisted of.

  92. 93 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    Orlowe not a member? Not a past member? He must have been mistaken then when he said he was a retired lawyer at a CRC meeting. I assumed he was telling the truth.

    Thank you also for misreading my comment. I did not say Rich Buturla could vote. I said he was one of the people actually allowed to talk at CRC meetings. In terms of influence, he might actually have more than even the Chairman of the commission.
    “That’s 50% of the people that are allowed to talk.” Mr. Buturla seems to have the power to kill almost any proposal with the slightest of effort.

    Again, my point being that half of the people who are allowed to input are attorneys or ex-attorneys. Seems a tad heavy, don’t you think?

    I am also NOT implying that they cannot do what they were appointed to do.

    I was simply responding to your negative posting: “Take for example the CRC. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that it’s heading down the path of disaster. ”

    My comment was that with 5 attorneys, it is not surprising that the work may be unfocused and agreement less likely.

    Have you ever tried to get even ONE attorney to simply read a document and agree with everything without changing something?

  93. 94 1george1

    Gavin,

    Thank you for posting the schedule on the Budget Hearings.

    PUBLICITY & PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
    I don’t believe the publicity of either made the Star or the Bard.
    Each is a weekly with Thursday (Star) & Friday (Bard) availability and the
    Budget hearings are Tuesday & Wednesday (next 2 days).

    Unless there is front page coverage by the POST Tuesday and Wednesday,
    we are not likely to see many public speakers, unless Town worker or
    Board of Ed Parents get organized to speak.
    Too bad we have not had LIVE / REAL TIME WEB CAST available for past
    Meetings, which cummulatively “MAY” have built viewers and participation.

    Last Town Council Meeting there were only 21-22 people in the audience
    over the course of the Meeting. And 8 were paid
    3 Reporters (Rich left for deadline)
    2 Lawyers (Kent & Dougiello)
    2 police (one replaced the other)
    1 cameraman (unless a volunteer – NOT Mr. Wright)
    8 paid?

    3 R – Jon Best & a friend or supporter, plus Ed Goodrich,
    6 D – Dave Mooney, Chris Miron, Laura Dobosz, & Madlyn Neupert
    briefly > Fredette & Calzone
    3 U – Walt & Rita Runkunis
    2 unidentified?

    C. R. C.s have been even worse.

    It appears the Stratford Voters and Tax Payers are getting what they
    deserve, in terms of them being (NOT) involved and (NOT) expressing
    INFORMED DECISIONS.

    Gavin, the past workshops were very informative to the few people who
    bothered to show up (excepting the Town Councilors & Dept Heads)
    1. Any chance of LIVE / REAL TIME WEB CAST? (Trick question)
    2. Any chance of getting PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT via e-mail questions per
    Department?
    3. Any place on the Town / Education Website for coverage.
    4. Will the Town Attorney get his turn in the bottle?
    > How many opinions to the C.R.C.?
    > How many tens of thousands has Burturla billed for C.R.C. which had no Budget?
    > How many subjects were redundant to opinions requested for the prior C.R.C.?
    >>> How many redundant opinions?
    >>> Of the opinions which were not redundant, yet subjects were, what SHALL be the expected COST to the TAXPAYERS and to the RIGHTS of the PUBLIC (to protect the Berchem cash cow, via perpetuation the machine, which appoints them?)

    Gavin, although this can come across as unappreciative for your time and efforts,
    which are considerable, it is frustrating to see the same old, same old, and to be
    in a position to project the…. probable (based on $$ / power motives).

    Different subject to different viewer(s).
    I believe my posts last weeks caused certain people to frustratingly expose them
    selves to positions they would have preferred to be … less exposed.

    Jeze,

    Orlowe’s resume makes no mention of being a lawyer.

    Although it confirms he was the General Manager of Milford’s Alinabal.
    (Berchem’s website lists Alinabal as a client)
    (Orlowe told me it was pre-existing and owner’s decision)

  94. 95 sudds

    MR. FORRESTER…

    “Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that it’s heading down the path of disaster.”

    THANK YOU for once again showing that you’re not afraid to actually take a stance on things!!! (sorry George, but you just lost my Council vote for 2009)

    MR. BEST…

    Please note that is how you answer a question… dancing around it in attempt to play politician is beyond annoying!

    “”I have not mentioned the work of the CRC because I want to see the final result.”
    +
    “Integrity is exhibited in actions.”

    (these are your words sir, not mine) So are you saying that your lack of action regarding the CRC equates to a lack of integrity on this issue? Shouldn’t someone who is exploring the possibility of leading our town take a slightly more leader-like stance on what the CRC is doing? I’d suggest that you grow a spine before your run for mayor in 2009!

    PS… geesh, ifthese keeps up my unaffiliated self might have to start leaning Democrat instead of Republican!!!

  95. 96 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Neither committee in this Town (The DTC or RTC) bears any relation whatsoever to the RNC or DNC. Voting “party” lines in this town is simply ridiculous.

    But welcome to the good side.

  96. 97 sudds

    Jez, I meant on the town level (I don’t waste my time with National politics)… I really not is appear as I dumb!! :oP

  97. 98 jonbest

    Unlike Gavin and meaning no disrespect, I choose to answer your questions based on facts. Facts are a funny thing they really tend to screw up rhetoric and animated conversations.

    While I have missed a CRC meeting or been late I attempt to attend as many as I can, to the best of my knowledge, Gavin has not attended a single meeting, including the public forum.

    The discussions and meetings give you an idea of intent and direction. Only the final product will provide you a result. Gavin has not listened to a minute of the discussion that the CRC has had, and is basing his opinion that the CRC is headed down the wrong path based on media reports and a couple of pages of meeting minutes.
    His words are words you want to hear, but do not represent, in my opinion, the facts.

    Any politician can tell you want you want to hear. Stratford doesn’t need more politicians, we need leaders. Leaders who are not afraid to stand up evaluate the issue and then issue opinions.

    As for George’s comments that the CRC is attempting to get rid of the people’s right to petition as we did in 1991, I am not sure I agree based on what I heard. George, perhaps you might not have been at the meeting where the CRC removed the issue of recall, referendum and initiative from the agenda. The CRC members unanimously agreed that those rights must remain in the charter.

    I felt I should respond and comment. Hope this adequately states my view. Thanks for listening.

    Jonathan Best

  98. 99 jezebel282

    Point to Best.

    Although, in fairness, Mr. Forrester has John Fahan and Mr. Best has Ben Proto. If only the citizens has such good representation……

  99. 100 sudds

    Ugggggggggggggggh!!!

    “Any politician can tell you want you want to hear. Stratford doesn’t need more politicians, we need leaders. Leaders who are not afraid to stand up evaluate the issue and then issue opinions.”

    Umm… Mr. Best… you’ve been to the meetings and (one can only assume) have evaluated their work… but you aren’t giving us any opinions!!!!

    I get your point on facts, but… how about an opinion, a stance, a position, etc?

    We know that several members of the CRC read this blog, you’re looking into running for mayor… and the best you can do is come up with a “we’ll wait and see what happens” approach? How do you think they’re doing? What have they gotten right? Wrong? What do they need to move on? Etc?

    Don’t get me wrong… I honestly think that you are a good man who has done a lot of good things for this town… and I honestly WANT to vote for you… but please take a stand and stop playing the political game… weren’t not as stupid as you think!!!

  100. 101 jonbest

    And I want your vote if I decide to run. I will be commenting on Thursday at the public forum to the CRC. I did want to give them time without comment to work through this process. They are charged with this work and have allowed for several public comment periods. Once there work is done I will provide you with a comment of my opinion but I believe it is distracting to the process to comment now unless in the public forum. I do want your vote if I decide to run. Thanks.

    Jonathan Best

  101. 102 1george1

    Hi SUDDS,

    Gavin can not run for another term for the Town Council.
    I suspect he would make a VERY INTERESTING Candidate for Mayor?

    Jon, Gavin, like the reporters does not have to attend meetings to know
    what is happening, since the POST & BARD rely on TAPES.
    The Red headed guy working for the Star, made multiple meetings.

    Jon, the people on the C. R. C. do NOT speak into the Microphones and
    they volume was LOW last week, making it difficult to hear.
    I did miss your contention that recall. petition, and referendum were taken
    off the table, however I am MORE CONCERNED with BURTURLA’S OPINION,
    since he is NOW and probably will be the TOWN ATTORNEY when/NOT IF
    Challenged by some willing surrogate OR when/NOT IF someone tries to have
    REFERENDUM
    RECALL
    PETITION

    For all of the self promoting blogger bluster, it was a NEW COUNCIL, not the
    PETITION
    nor the
    LAST COUNCIL
    which created the C. R. C.

    Burturla’s OPINION about the LEGALITY of the PETITION is
    UNCHALLENGED
    UNDEFEATED
    HAS PRECEDENT
    HAS FOUNDATION for future PRECEDENT.

    JON, your POINTS & FACTS may be VALID, however, might it be like the
    farmer who was sittin on the porch with a shotgun to protect his daughter,
    while she and her suitor, slipped out the BACK DOOR?

    JON, GAVIN, & JEZE > please answer me this?

    1. Can the TOWN CHARTER have elements with in them that the GENERAL
    STATUTES do not ALLOW and/or COURTS would find basis for overturning?

    2. How much has the Town Council appointed and Budgetless C. R. C. cost
    the Tax Payers of Stratford, shifted on to other BUDGETS?
    A) How can this qualify as INTRA DEPARTMENTAL, which FLOREK & BURTURLA
    claim are areas which are NOT covered by Town Council OVERSIGHT and I
    have yet to hear anyone claim that IS the CASE (so far).

    JON & GAVIN

    Good posts. Love good & legit debate!
    Thank you.

    Jeze,

    Thank you for pickin up for the P. W.

    No offense meant, but some people suggest that some bloggers
    simply have NO IDEA about PROCESS, LAW, or FACTS.

    I am no where nearly always correct.
    But like JON, I have attended C.R.C. & T.C. Meetings.

    And, to mitigate for GAVIN, he has a lot on his plate and can not be
    everywhere. This despite earlier criticisms about lack of Transparency,
    Publicity, & Public Participation, on Budget hearing/workshops.

    Time got past me on several issues.
    Other issues like the Greenway / Shakespeare presentations / LBW, etc.
    simply take too much time to try to cover everything, since NO LAW FIRMS
    are contributing to my participation…
    > No direct reflections on Gavin or Jon or “some” others!

  102. 103 jezebel282

    George,

    “1. Can the TOWN CHARTER have elements with in them that the GENERAL
    STATUTES do not ALLOW and/or COURTS would find basis for overturning?”

    Like any law, or patent or copyright the Charter is as good as the last lawsuit it wins.

  103. 104 1george1

    Jeze,

    If I read that # 103 correctly?
    George 1
    Jon 0

  104. 105 jezebel282

    George,

    It CAN happen.

    😉

  105. 106 freedomofspeach

    1george1

    No, the Charter cannot be in conflict with statutes, it will be invalid, or can it be in conflict with case law or it might be deemed invalid in court.

    Now an attorneys opinion letters, are just that, opinions, although educated one, and everyone has one as you know.

    The only opinion that matters is one from a Judge or some other official like a State Commissioner, if within their jurisdiction, so if there are any questions, maybe a formal request to say, the Sec of State on election questions might be appropriate.

  106. 107 1george1

    Jon

    The C.R.C. set up 3 PUBLIC HEARINGS
    1. Shortly after their organizational meeting, I believe it was early March.
    2. April 24, this Thurs
    3. May 22

    The C. R. C. set the date for the relase of their INITIAL DRAFT of MAY 22.
    Rich Weizel asked Florek about my contention to have one ready 2 weeks earlier
    so the PUBLIC & COUNCIL could have basis for COMMENTS & QUESTIONS.
    > Any committments for that Date.

    The C. R. C. has a FINAL DRAFT for MAY 29.

    The C. R. C. reserves the RIGHT of RECISION on ALL ISSUES, in an earlier decision.
    (Jon, doesn’t that include: RECALL; PETITION; REFERENDUM; etc?)
    (Jon, do my posts appear based on mostly 1st hand FACTUAL Observations & research?) (and I do appreciate honest debate!) 😉

  107. 108 freedomofspeach

    Is it true that Gavan has not attended any CRC meetings and Best has? Even if each as a representative there, at least one principle has made the time to show up from what it seems.

    So 1george1, your excusing someone who has “a lot on their plate” from performing their civic duty? Is Mr. Best a stay at home mom?

  108. 109 gforrester

    “While I have missed a CRC meeting or been late I attempt to attend as many as I can, to the best of my knowledge, Gavin has not attended a single meeting, including the public forum.”

    Jon I get the minutes to every CRC meeting held in my weekly council mailing package and I read them very carefully. If you review the April 10th minutes for example it reveals that the first page of the minutes was almost enterly taken up by discussions on how much we should pay the mayor, if we should have another Mayorial Salary Commission, a salary cap for the mayors salary (what are we major league baseball?) and establishing how to protect the mayor from the councils effect on determining his/her salary. Reading the minutes and combining my experience with the subject matter gives me a basis to formulate an oppinion on the subject.

    “Any politician can tell you want you want to hear. Stratford doesn’t need more politicians, we need leaders. Leaders who are not afraid to stand up evaluate the issue and then issue opinions.”

    Jon if you read this blog or any other blog for the past 6 + months you would clearly see that I don’t pander for votes nor tell people what they want to hear as I have engaged in some heated debates. Again I don’t have to sit in a room to listen to 9 people discuss the issues to get a feel for the topics as that is what minutes to meeting are all about. I will have ample time to comment in the public when the final document is brought before the Town Council and you will hear my voice for sure.

    The one thing I can say without any hesitation would be if I decided to run for mayor I sure would not need an exploritory committee to do so. If leadership is sticking ones finger up in the air to test the winds of fortune then I guess I’m not cut out to lead just follow lol.

  109. 110 jezebel282

    Note to Mr. Forrester and Mr. Best:

    I have given you a forum of your own so everyone can keep track of your opinions.

    https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/candidates-forum/

    Geeze….I slave over a hot keyboard all day and this is the thanks I get?

  110. 111 1george1

    F O S

    Well writen and thought out, since you agree with my contention. 8)

    >

    To expand and project about my contentious nature:

    1. If the Town Attorney rules AGAINST the PEOPLES GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS

    A. PEOPLE have to PAY for a LAW SUIT.

    B. The Town Attorney BILLS the TOWN to
    >>>> DEFEAT GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS
    >>>>>> LOSE his ERRANT OPINION on GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS
    >>>>>> APPEAL his ERRANT OPINION on GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS
    >>>>>>>> In all cases the Town Attorney gets PAID and uses OUR MONEY
    against his ERRANT OPINION on GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS

    2. 1. If the Town Attorney issues OPINIONS to the C. R. C.

    A. The Town Attorney BILLS the TOWN to create the OPINION
    >>>>> The Town Attorney BILLS the TOWN to DEFEND ERRANT OPINIONS.

    B. The PEOPLE have to PAY for any LAW SUITS and/or APPEALS.

    Hmmm?
    If you were a shameless LAWYER, looking for excuses to …….

    If you were an unaffiliated or caring Tax Payer ……….

    What is RIGHT or WRONG with this picture?
    (Martin Luther: It depends on whose OX is GORED?)

    Lastly,

    Anyone know what the UNBUDGETED C. R. C. has cost Stratford Tax payers?

  111. 112 jezebel282

    George,

    I think you’ve got the hang of it now….

  112. 113 gforrester

    JON, GAVIN, & JEZE > please answer me this?

    1. Can the TOWN CHARTER have elements with in them that the GENERAL
    STATUTES do not ALLOW and/or COURTS would find basis for overturning?

    Answer – The Charter can not have elements with in it that the CT General Assembly via CT Statutes does not give the authority to the local municipality. Stratford has a special case charter so it had more far reaching powers then normal charters. SOme of those special powers are recall, petition, & referendum.

    2. How much has the Town Council appointed and Budgetless C. R. C. cost
    the Tax Payers of Stratford, shifted on to other BUDGETS?

    Answer – The Town Council did not anticipate a CRC at this time last year and did not “budget” any additional costs. The only “cost” would be the Town Attorney’s time and overall meeting costs – secretarial etc.

    A) How can this qualify as INTRA DEPARTMENTAL, which FLOREK & BURTURLA
    claim are areas which are NOT covered by Town Council OVERSIGHT and I
    have yet to hear anyone claim that IS the CASE (so far).

    Answer – The Council only has authority over year inter-departmental budget transfers at year end which is why the finance director developes an ordinance or resolution at year end to make these appropriations.

    Hope this clears up some of the issues.

  113. 114 1george1

    Gavin,
    Where’s you get the idea about runnin for Mayor?
    That Jon has an exploratory?
    Or
    That I raised the possibility for a very interesting challenger?

    You are welcomed for the SOFT BALL LOBS and COMPLIMENTS.

    >

    Jon & F. O. S. – I compliented Jon too! 🙂

    And, it is not like I haven’t challenged Gavin, nor raised his Blood pressure! 😉

    >

    F. O. S.
    “Is Mr. Best a stay at home mom?”

    Are you tryin to LOSE Jon’s votes from stay at home moms?
    Do you have anything against stay at home moms?
    Are you comin out as a BEST BACKER (and OBVIOUSLY a Lawyer who writes
    very well)? 😉

    >

    Jeze,

    Didn’t I thank you for pickin up from the P. W.?

    Gosh,

    Sudds and Mikereynolds give me no love for takin positions of the unaffiliated
    and Jeze, you give more props to Gavin & Jon? 😦
    > You did agree with me about an earlier post. 🙂

  114. 115 jezebel282

    George,

    You’re welcome!

    I can’t imagine that Gavin can even afford to think about the position of mayor. Tuition at NYU is $35,283/year (room and board another $11,850). And that’s not including Beer Pong!

  115. 116 1george1

    Gavin,
    Our blogs passed.
    So I have to rephrase my question to simplest terms.

    Q: How much has the Town Council appointed and Budgetless C. R. C. cost
    the Tax Payers of Stratford?

    A:

    =>

    Gavin, I took out the
    “shifted on to other BUDGETS”

    Gavin, I believe if you or any other Councilor asked Mr. Norko or Ms. McCauley
    to have BERCHEM / BURTURLA supply them with the BILL INVOICED specifically
    for C. R. C. to date, they should have that on their FILE, even if it is comingled
    to the Town for INVOICE payment?

    Although wouldn’t it be appropriate for Mr. Norko & Ms McCauley to have that
    already?

    Although wouldn’t it be appropriate for Mr. Norko & Ms McCauley to have the
    DEPARTMENTAL MONTHLY EXPENDITURES posted on the Website.

    ->

    Gavin, thank you for the FYI on the Minutes of the C. R. C. Meeting.
    As a Public Forum speaker, but not as an insider who is used to seeing the
    entire process, I learned something and you also taught the bloggers about
    how a highly competent Town Councilor operates and gets that way.
    > Hey I give props as well as criticize. Just cause I recognize ya gots ability
    does not mean we agree with directions or conclusions for legitimate political
    reasons.

    Hey Gavin, if you can get
    1. The Web broadcast
    or/and
    2. allow Public Questions – Directly / Indirectly to depts
    or/and
    3. terrorize (Oooop, I mean include) the Town Attorney’s dept as a Workshop

    I have a couple of miniature plastic Donkeys (& Elephants) I award for special
    services. Right now Amy is slightly ahead on the D side.

    NOTE:
    Gavin is the only past recipient of a plastic Donkey, a couple of years ago. 8)
    No Republican Councilor has earned a plastic Elephant, yet. 😉

    FULL DISCLOSURE: RETAIL price under $ 5.00, PLUS TAX, so as NOT to PASS
    the ETHICAL RESTRICTIONS on GIFTS / AWARDS / DONATIONS! 🙂

  116. 117 gforrester

    I can’t imagine that Gavin can even afford to think about the position of mayor. Tuition at NYU is $35,283/year (room and board another $11,850). And that’s not including Beer Pong!

    Jez – We were lucky my daughter qualified for a $12.5K Scholaship – I don’t even want to think about next years increase lol.

    And George my comment about running for Mayor was based upon Jon’s statement of leadership qualities not announcing my intent to run. Mr. Best stated

    “Any politician can tell you want you want to hear. Stratford doesn’t need more politicians, we need leaders. Leaders who are not afraid to stand up evaluate the issue and then issue opinions. ”

    My comment was directed that if leadership is playing cat and mouse about running for mayor via “exploritory committees” and “if I run” prefaces then count me out.

  117. 118 jezebel282

    I have added he CRC minutes to the Blog Roll. It’s not as much fun as being there, but at least everyone can see the progress. Especially before this Thursday’s PUBLUC HEARING.

  118. 119 1george1

    Gavin,
    I strongly suspected your position on the mayor & committees.

    However, what if Jim Miron happened to “blog in?”
    Would it “make” his day? (or morelikely ruin it?)

    A couple years ago I had jim concerned when I mentioned I would support
    BOB MASTRONI for Mayor. (due to WW II Memorial work)
    Jim took that seriously enough to ask me if BOB was running for Mayor?

    Gavin, do you think you could get more “D” support than Calzone, especially
    in light of the DEAD BEAT?
    Would Fredette & Calzone support you?
    Could / would you do more for minorities than under Dicks M & B?)
    Gavin, you don’t have to reply right away. Let em think about it. 🙂

    Oh, Gavin, if you gained the Dem nomination for Mayor,
    if you chose to run,
    AND if you WON,
    (READY FOR THE QUESTION) >
    > Who is your choice for TOWN ATTORNEY? 🙂 8)

  119. 120 sudds

    Down George!!! What he said was “if I decided to run for mayor”! Sorry Mr. Forrester our little Georgie gets a little ahead of himself sometimes!

    That being said… good question George… Misters Forrester/Best (/Costello if someone wants act as his proxy)… hypothetically speaking if you do run for mayor and win… who would you appoint as Town Attorney?

  120. 121 gforrester

    who would you appoint as Town Attorney?

    The position would be advertised for bid throughout the area not just greater Bridgeport with a flat fee per year – not an hourly basis. I suspect that none of the former or current holders of the position would bid but as an example $200,000 to the firm regardless if they spend 2000 hours or 5000 hours on the job and if any outside specialists would be needed, say an environmental attorney then, once again the services would be bid and I would seek Town Council approval for any expenditure beyond the budgeted amount.

  121. 122 gforrester

    George

    Oh, Gavin, if you gained the Dem nomination for Mayor,
    if you chose to run,
    AND if you WON

    THAT would be a miracle on par with Moses parting the Sea.

  122. 123 freedomofspeach

    “Stratford has a special case charter so it had more far reaching powers then normal charters. Some of those special powers are recall, petition, & referendum.”

    Mr. Gavin are you saying that Stratford’s approved Charter, as a special case charter, does include the above and are legal as written?

    Does that mean that the opinion of BM & D are incorrect?

    If so, dont you think they should not be paid, and the town should be looking at filing a malpractice claim against those who allowed it to move forward and be approved?

    Finally, if that is the case that there is a dispute between the charter and the statutes, don’t you think the TC needs to force this to go into adjudication to be resolved before the CRC makes changes based on BM & D “opinion?

  123. 124 freedomofspeach

    Regarding the town attorney position. I agree there has to be a change and some better control. Someone is making a million per year writing opinions that might not be subject to correction and just make work. Writing for dollars.

    Stratford legal work is like a mine, and all the townspeople are getting is the shaft.

    However, it’s almost impossible to lump sum legal work, and not every attorney can do every type of case. But if you look at say $150 per hour (not sure what the billing is so this is just a number) bill rate, for every million spent, there are 3 plus people working full time on legal issues. Can’t be over 6,000 hours of billing can it? Based on the average costs to run a law office (from what I am told) this equates (based on the level of legal expertise used) to a profit around/more than $500,000 to the law partners. It’s a great job.

    If I were King/Queen, I would look at a full time town attorney position, with a paralegal, both who have municipal legal experience, and are also experienced for the majority of legal work the town has. Then contract on a fixed fee for service basis for the rest. Many insurance companies are doing this. An example is say $350.00 for legal (plus filing) to file a writ, complaint, and summons up to 10 pages, $100 to file an appearance, $400.00 for a tax foreclosure. Something along that line, and may the lowest qualified attorney win.

    Remember, and God bless them, Paralegals are doing all the work, very rarely, other than in complex litigation and review, are Esq. doing the majority of the work, but yet the bill rates are huge. Do you know any making $150K per year.

    Oh and the billing is in 6 min increments for all the ones that I know.

  124. 125 1george1

    Oh, Gavin, if you gained the Dem nomination for Mayor,
    if you chose to run,
    AND if you WON

    THAT would be a miracle on par with Moses parting the Sea.

    Actually Berchem & MOSES part the Town with legal FEES!

    ->

    “Stratford has a special case charter so it had more far reaching powers then normal charters. Some of those special powers are recall, petition, & referendum.”

    Mr. Gavin are you saying that Stratford’s approved Charter, as a special case charter, does include the above and are legal as written?

    Does that mean that the opinion of BM & D are incorrect?


    George on the above > I really want this answer and want it to be NOT ABLE
    to be CHALLENGEABLE in COURT to “LIKELY be found INVIOLATE!!

    If so, dont you think they should not be paid, and the town should be
    looking at “filing a malpractice claim”
    against those who allowed it to move forward and be approved?


    Malpractice suit by Burturla against Berchem?
    Who would file it?
    Would the Town wind up paying both sides?
    Can Berchem be found to have to REPAY the Town plus penalties?

    Hey F. O. S. > any way there can be a class action R. I. C. O. vs B MD?
    1. Recover all Fees since 1996
    2. Recover E.C.S. $ 54,000,000 shortfall
    3. Recover 2 – 3 lost Mils per year on AVCO delays & preferred vender
    4. Recover the PENSION calculations and INVESTMENTS
    5. Recover all of the various INTERESTS lost
    6. Recover for PAIN & SUFFERING for people forced to move from lifetime
    HOMES, due to cummulating effects, including PROPERTY TAX
    7. Recover for PAIN & SUFFERING for BENEFICIARIES of deceased Stratford
    Senior citizens, who had to choose between paying Taxes and high fuel
    bills / perscription Medicine. >

    Burturla / Miron / B UTTER NUTS hurt people, besides covering up for those
    who HURT JEZE’s friends in former Town positions, AND
    besides hurting me and more importantly protecting those who hurt family,
    friends, coworkers (& their families) and support.

    If one goes back to Codes of Ethics, Pillars of Character, & 10 Commandments,
    the wanton, wilfill, and malicious disregard for livelihoods, health, safety, and
    …..
    well, Mike Reyolds would get after me about the TIN FOIL HAT on what I would
    prefer to blog …
    And Sue sulier would admonish me about my language and impure thoughts! 😦

  125. 126 1george1

    From Freedom of Speech >
    Finally, if that is the case that there is a dispute between the charter and the statutes, don’t you think the TC needs to force this to go into adjudication to be resolved before the CRC makes changes based on BM & D “opinion?

    Boy oh boy, this hits the nail on the HEAD. 🙂
    I may copy this just for the C. R. C. Public Hearing! 8)

    the C. R. C. has already eliminated the Recall & Runoff, based on those
    opinions, at meetings, where I was present.
    Jon may have been at meetings where they were reinstated?
    However the C. R. C. reserved the right for recinding decisions.

    Hey Sudds,
    Can you bring this to Eric’s attention?

    Hey Jeze,
    Can you bring this to Karen’s attention?

  126. 127 freedomofspeach

    Some interesting reading.

    It seems, subject to my limited understanding and no review of case law, that unless the old charter in Stratford was amended, then there cannot be recall elections. However, if the original charter was amended, then there is a good chance this provision will still be valid.

    CONNECTICUT MUNICIPALITIES
    The state Supreme Court has ruled that, because the General Assembly has not enacted legislation explicitly conferring the power to recall elected officials and the authority is not implied in other powers, towns cannot enact recall provisions by charter or ordinance (Simons v. Canty, 195 Conn. 524 (1985)). The only Connecticut towns that have authority to recall local officials are the five that were granted the authority by special act before the enactment of the constitution’s home rule provision. Table 2 lists the towns, the legal authority, and the date it was adopted in each.

    Table 2: Connecticut Towns With Recall Authority
    Town Special Act Date of Adoption
    Bristol 23 Spec. Acts 489, No. 489 1939
    Milford 29 Spec. Acts 142, No. 139 1959
    New Haven 16 Spec. Acts 817, No. 159 1952
    Stratford 18 Spec. Acts 1048, No. 479 1921
    Westport 28 Spec. Acts 427, No. 383 1957

    So with that, if the charter was amended to add the position of Mayor, then the amendment, if not based on home rule, might still be valid. If the charter was made under home rule, then most likely the provisions of home rule, without legislative authority to recall has attached.

    Amazing with all the attorneys on the original CRC, and one who knew he could not run after being a member of the CRC, and fought to get an opinion to allow him to get elected, seems to have missed this.

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/olrdata/gae/rpt/2002-R-0076.htm

  127. 128 gforrester

    Oh and Sudds here is an anti-nepotism policy from Livingston County that I would look to adopt here in Stratford IF I was even in a position to do so.

    A. POLICY
    1. PURPOSE:
    Livingston County is committed to the highest standard of professional conduct and expects all
    employees to adhere to them. Livingston County employees must take care to ensure that
    relationships within the community do not create conflicts of interests and situations that might
    impair objective judgment. The purpose of this anti-nepotism policy is to promote a positive work
    environment.
    2. POLICY STATEMENT:
    It is Livingston County’s policy to hire, promote and transfer employees on the basis of individual
    merit and to avoid any suggestion of favoritism or discrimination in making such decisions. The
    employment of relatives in positions where one might have influence over the other’s status or job
    security is regarded as a potential violation of this policy. Even if favoritism or discrimination is
    not shown, the existence of the situation within ones’ sphere of influence, may precipitate
    questions to answer or may cause some discomfort for the individuals involved.
    It is therefore, our policy to prohibit the hiring of relatives in situations where a relative would be
    under the direct or general supervision of an elected official, department head, supervisor or team
    leader, or to employ relatives where the status of employment of that person might be influenced
    by an elected official, department head, supervisor or team leader.
    By adhering to the above policy which prohibits relatives from working in positions where they
    might have influence over each other’s status, or the hiring of those relatives, a potentially
    discriminatory situation is avoided altogether. Livingston County realizes that there may be
    existing relationships among employees which are contrary to this policy. It is the purpose of this
    policy statement to avoid creating any new situations where relatives are employed in spheres of
    influence relationships, and not to affect the employment of any relationships that currently exist.
    3. APPLICABILITY:
    All employees, elected officials, independent contractors, volunteers and student interns.
    4. DEFINITIONS:
    Relative – Parent, foster parent, spouse, child, sibling, grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, cousin,
    in-law or step relative, or any person with whom the employee has a close personal relationship.
    Personal relationship – relationship between individuals who have or have had a continuing
    relationship of a romantic or intimate nature.
    Spheres of influence – scope in which an employee exerts direct or indirect control over another.
    Economic relationship – fiduciary relationship in which one employee benefits by receiving
    financial remuneration such as landlord/tenant relationships or business partnerships.
    Fraternization – relationship of an intimate or romantic nature between a supervisor and his/her
    subordinates or conduct that creates the appearance of impression that such a relationship exists.

  128. 129 1george1

    F. O. S. last post showed up after my 2 posts below it.

    I favor a full time 4 year town attorney at $ 80 – $ 90,000 a year, as
    a statutory employee, with full benefits and allowed to do “certain”
    “non complete” side work.
    > no collectables – Town check will NOT bounce
    > PAID Billing AR/AC
    > Limited hours
    > Liberal Holidays / Vacation / Sick
    > reasonable 401 k
    > as statutory employee, matching withholding & ss, saving 10 %
    > viable Dept budget (reasonably restrained)
    > no malpractice insurance
    > no office overhead = utilities – rent/mortgage/taxes
    > law library & paid court costs
    > paid paralegal(s), legal secretary,
    > pt assistants for stipend meetings (housing / Ed / Land)
    > KNOWN PAY
    > Limited non compete legal items, allows for Ethical extra income

    I believe the entire office can be handled near the 1998 / 1999 range
    of $ 400,000 range, for everything except settlements. 8)

    Freedom of Speech, many Attorneys would value the perks at about
    the range equal to an $ 80,000 Salary, for the Full time Town Attorney.

    Some older ones could be sick of the rat race and prefer the challenge
    and prestige of being a 4 year Town attorney, moving toward retirement,
    with a chance for being re-upped for 4 more years

    What do you think?

  129. 130 gforrester

    Freedom:

    The Council estimated at $150 per hour x 3,000 hours or $450 K and as of Mar 31, with only 3/4 of the year done, we have expended $467,844.57 from the line 01104 6381 Legal Salaries. Part of the problem in looking at the budget is the fact that we include “Liability” A.K.A. what the Town was forced to pay in settlements for legal cases, in the Town Attorney Budget. Therefore it looks like we spent $988 K so far this year on the TA’s office but $351 K of that are legal settlements paid to others. We also had to pay $117,082 in court costs so far this year.

    I like your concept of a full time Town Attorney in house – ala a corporation council with a para-legal and a set fee structure.

    Now do those 6 min, increments include bathroom breaks lol.

  130. 131 1george1

    Gavin,
    your post came in while I was addressing Freedom of Speech.

    I like your above post.
    Had you checked out the post on ETHICS for ALL Government Service.
    I put it in “connectile disfunction.”
    (Jeze > interesting double entendre)

  131. 132 freedomofspeach

    More fun reading on the matter.

    “In Simons v. Canty (195 Conn. 524 (1985)), the Court ruled that towns are not empowered to enact provisions allowing the recall of their elected officials. The case points out, on the other hand, that the Court has upheld a local charter provision, even in the face of a conflicting state statute, in Caulfield v. Noble (178 Conn. 81 (1979)). In that New Canaan case, the Court upheld a local charter provision on the ground that the Home Rule Act authorizes the delegation of the power to address issues of local concern, exclusive of the provisions of the General Statutes. ”

    mmmm interesting. I think there is enough conflict between opinions, provisions of the charter, the TC, CRC, and the Esqs to ask the OLR and the SOS, and maybe a Judge, to get a formal ruling, before you go down a road and end up being played again.

  132. 133 gforrester

    Mr. Gavin are you saying that Stratford’s approved Charter, as a special case charter, does include the above and are legal as written?

    What I am saying is that there is a provision of recall and term limits in the charter that was in effect in 2004, prior to the last CRC. The issue now is was the old charter “amended” so that the home rule act woudl still apply or was the charter that was voted on a completely new charter, therefore removing the protection of the home rule act and maming Stratford subject to the auspice of CT Gen Statutes. I am not a legal eagle but that is where the issue becomes fixed. Old Charter Emended vs. A completely New Charter.

    “Amazing with all the attorneys on the original CRC, and one who knew he could not run after being a member of the CRC, and fought to get an opinion to allow him to get elected, seems to have missed this.” – Don’t be so sure they missed it. I don’t have the origional question that was proposed on the ballot at my finger tips but if the wording is such that it is a new charter and not an amendment it could mean that it was devised that way. I was the chair of the CRC but it was the Town Council (Town Attorney) that formulated the question to go on the Nov. Ballot.

  133. 134 freedomofspeach

    An easy way to do it is to look and see how Bristol, Milford, New Haven, and Westport, amended their charter, and see if home rule applied to them or if they amended their special act charter.

    I think your right if this was a devised scheme to change the charter and no mater what make recall an illegal and unenforceable provision, against the will of the people, then not only the attorney who was involved needs to be disciplined, disbarred, and sued, but everyone who knowingly took part (another attorney on the original CRC0 needs to have a come to judgment meeting.

    Mr. Gavin, are you going to run for Mayor?

  134. 135 freedomofspeach

    Who was on the original CRC?

  135. 136 1george1

    D – 3
    gavin forrester – chairman / now town council – I respect gavin’s abilities
    and kinda like him, if he would only smile more, like miranda? 8)
    jim miron, lawyer / mayor – SON of DM who is joined at hip to Burturla
    sue collyer – I like sue

    pat ulatowski Town clerk – well regarded (by most) for integrity

    R – 5
    > paul joy RTC ex-chair – person I trust the MOST to be honest/truthful

    nominal R
    > kevin williams, lawyer
    > joe kubek, lawyer / now town council
    > chris silhavy – now zoning – person I trust to be honest/truthful

    Definite / probable Norms B UTTER NUTS 😦
    > camilla > ex-TC – B UTTER NUT

    U
    > malcolm youngquist – wife was on RTC & pt register
    > paul hoydic > formerly worked for RTC chair rudy wiess
    cousin to laura hoydic RTC

  136. 137 freedomofspeach

    Does anyone have the legal opinion of the Town Attorney or any legal review prior to the enactment of the revised charter? Mr. Gavin you might remember off the top of your head.

  137. 138 1george1

    There are a treasury of opinions issues by the THEN Town Attorney
    Kevin Kelly, which support the Grandfathered RIGHTS.

    Further, Jim Miron, Esq. (now Mayor) made an issue that there would
    be a COMPLETE RECORD of the first Charter Revision.

    My positions:
    1. Burturla is NOW Town Attorney.

    2. Head of this Charter Revision is Esq. John Florek, who has made $ 12,000
    in 2007 from Stratford (at the pleasure of Burturla, who serves as Town Atty,
    at the pleasure of the Mayor & Esq. Florek also got Revenue from Burturla’s
    pleasure in 2006, and Kelly’s pleasure 2001 – 2005, and Burturla 1998 -2000,
    and Gilardi 199?-1998 (Dec 98, change cause minority / majority)
    > It is not the KNOWN amount of Money from Burturla to Florek (& O’Neill)
    and possibly to Esq Proto & Esq. august on C. R. C. # 2, it is the APPEARANCE
    and BAR ASSC. Code or conduct, in my opinion.

    3. This C. R. C. solicited numerous opinions from Burturla.
    They had plenty of opinions from the prior C. R. C.
    Burturla has ANIMUS for creating OPINIONS for REVENUE and to overthrow
    existing purview, by laying FOUNDATION with UNCHALLENGED OPINIONS,
    LIKE:
    Last years petition to open the charter to create RUNOFF.

    4. Burturla is NOW Town Attorney
    As Town Attorney he can STEER decisions to suit his OPINIONS, in my opinion.

    5. FASCIST in BOTH PARTIES hate the FACT that 26,000 citizens in stratford, out
    of 28,000 registered voters in a town of 50,000, CREATED LAW!!!!

    Led by diane buda / eleanor burke:

    A) They forced 3 REFERENDUMS, during 1 election

    B) The 3 REFERENDUMS WON
    VERY GOOD TOPICS > 2 % Budget Cap; Term Limits; prohibit financial self interest;

    C) The 3 Referendums became Town Ordinance (not very good ones)
    The local attorneys & politicians, had to circumvent the 3 ordinances since
    they controlled the Town Committees, they controlled the Town Managers /
    Police / Investigation / Oversite / Documentation.

    I BELIEVE
    With a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT, of AVCO / AIRPORT / SHAKESPEARE
    and CONDO COMPLEXES, they do NOT want ANY IMPEDIMENTS and have schemed,
    planned, and manipulated the system for 18 years with confluence in 1998 of major
    issues, which i and some others believe appropriate to R.I.C.O.?

  138. 139 freedomofspeach

    I certainly don’t feel I am the sharpest tool in the shed, but I just looked at the town attorney’s budget.

    Why are you paying $9,000 for “law library charges”, plus printing and stationary? What the general town stationary is not good enough for an Esq? Payroll? Do you guys have a full time person who sits and waits for work and answers the phone? Or is this someone being supplemented at BM & D at a $50,000 plus per year? Who is that person? If your paying for admin then the rate for the attorney should be lower.

  139. 140 gforrester

    Who was on the original CRC?

    George has it correct

    4 Democratic – Gavin Forrester – Chairman – member of the Zoning Commission at the time.
    James Miron – former assistant Town Attorney now Mayor
    Robert Camillo – Local business man – switched parties and became a Town Council member 8th District (R) 2005-07
    Susan Collier – Former 1st District Town Council Member & now assistant finance director.

    4 Republicans
    Paul Joy – ran unsuccessfully for Councilman at large – named chairman of RTC
    Kevin Williams – Attorney and former Councilman at Large
    Joseph Kubic – Attorney – former member of the Town Council – now once again a memebr representing the 9th district
    Christopher Silhavey – former 8th district Town Council Member and now zoning commisison chairman. He held no office at the time of the CRC

    3 Unaffiliated
    Patricia Ulatowski – Town Clerk
    Malcolm Youngquist – local business professional
    Paul Hoydick – local business professional.

  140. 141 gforrester

    “Does anyone have the legal opinion of the Town Attorney or any legal review prior to the enactment of the revised charter? Mr. Gavin you might remember off the top of your head.”

    The the Town Attorney Kevin Kelly reviewed the Charter proposal to verify it was not in conflict with State or Federal Statutes and reported to the CRC that the document was in appropriate form to be referred to the Town Council for determination if it should go on the ballot. I’m not sure what discussions took place at the Town Council level but I recall there were 4 questions on the ballot – two dealt with changing term limits for BOE and Land Usage – one the mayor – and one adopting language changes in the charter – but again I don’t recall the specific language of how the questions were worded.

  141. 142 gforrester

    “Mr. Gavin, are you going to run for Mayor?”

    Freedom actually my first name is Gavin and last is Forrester so i’m Mr. Forrester, but feel free to call me Gavin – no formalities here on the blog.

    I am not a professional politician (whatever that is anyway) and the simple fact is that for me at age 47 to leave the private sector for a remote chance that I would become Mayor for a period of 4 or 8 years then return to the private sector at age 57 looking for gainful employement rules out a vast majority of people my age. Unless you are a lawyer, consultant, retired, or own a business that you can trust to family to manage for 4 years, anyone aged 35 – 50 would have to think twice about leaving the private sector to run for Mayor. A list of the candidates from 2005 show that is the case.

    Jim Miron – 40 ish – private practise attorney.
    Domonic Costello – retired Police officer – owner of a local business.
    Jon Best – independent private public safety consultant
    William O’Brien – 50 ish recreation supervisor at a local non-profit
    George Mulligan – retired postal employee
    Tom Carroll – not really sure what is profession is.

    Besides Jez tells me that I am way behind in the polls (thanks for even including my name in the field) so I threw my little support behind Rocki the cat lol.

  142. 143 gforrester

    Why are you paying $9,000 for “law library charges”, plus printing and stationary? What the general town stationary is not good enough for an Esq? Payroll? Do you guys have a full time person who sits and waits for work and answers the phone? Or is this someone being supplemented at BM & D at a $50,000 plus per year? Who is that person? If your paying for admin then the rate for the attorney should be lower.

    The Town Attorney has indicated that the $9,000 is for an electronic subscription to updated case information such as a law library. I will ask that specific question at the budget workshop. Every department is assigned a stationary budget to identify costs allocated directly to that department. There was a time that we had one big account called printing and stationary under the human services budget line but that’s going way back. The TA should be using Town Letterhead but there are times that he issues opinions on firm stationary. We have a legal secretary (Gail Nobili) that is paid by the Town and staffs the Town Attorney’s office at Town Hall so without the specific line in question I think that is what you are looking at.

  143. 144 freedomofspeach

    I would be concerned that although you have a large firm, billing you by the hour I believe, they still want to bill you for a law library? When you pay by the hour, it should cover everything.

    Do you pay by the hour, if so how much?

  144. 145 freedomofspeach

    I do understand, and that is one of the reasons that it’s hard to get the best people for Public Service. It costs them a lot in money, time, and future prospects. Unless you’re an attorney who can make a place for himself after leaving office, or have been self employed, then it must be hard financially. But again, its public service, not the public trough.

    Thank you for your information.

  145. 146 1george1

    Gavin,

    Minor correction, in that I am an ex-USPS employee, not retired & not
    receiving a PENSION. The USPS does have a PENSION related to AGE &
    YEARS of SERVICE.
    We were also allowed to contribute to Social Security, for several years.
    I am not collecting social Security either.
    For most of my life, including USPS years, I have been involved in community
    functions and various business development activities, with most being B2B
    (Business to Business) and some Business to Residense.

    Gavin & F. O. S.:

    About 1998, the Board of Ed, voted to pay their attorney (Burturla) $ 125 per
    hour, from the $ 60 per hour, reduced about 1992?

    In July 4th week 2001, the Town Council had a special meeting with NO PUBLIC
    FORUM speakers (snuck through) to LEGALLY allow the Town Attorney (K. Kelly,
    with Burturla, Florek & Ahlberg as assts) FEE to be RAISED by the TOWN COUNCIL
    from $ 60 to $ 125 per hour, thus protecting Burturla & Board of Ed from the
    Voccola (oriented) T.I.P.S.

    About 3 – 4 years ago some Council voted to raise the Town Attorney FEE to $ 150.
    INTERESTING: Monthly Stipend TO cover after hour MEETINGS was rasied from
    $ 666 (SIGN of the DEVIL) a MONTH to $ 675 (for Burturla) and the Assistants stayed
    at $ 222 a MONTH.
    > Florek “thinks” Berchem’s attorneys (who cover for Burturla at C.R.C.) are under
    the stipend, however, neither of the covering attorneys (Brian or Warren) would
    confirm my verbal request about that or WHEN DOES THE METER START / END?

    MAIN ISSUES:

    None of the Opinions to the Charter Revision Commission were on TOWN LETTER
    HEAD. All were on BERCHEM LETTER HEAD.
    ADDED:
    I asked GAIL and TOWN CLERK Pawluk for ELECTRONIC copies of the OPINIONS.
    NEITHER had ELECTRONIC copies in their computers, ONLY HARD (paper) copies?

    My questions:
    Why are we NOT getting what we paid for?

    How are these opinions being protected for posterity, without being in Town
    Computers?

    Wouldn’t it be easier to STORE and far faster to FIND, with many more ways to
    LOOK UP, with many more people able to INSTANTLY ACCESS, > if these RECORDS were on TOWN COMPUTERS?

    Why isn’t GAIL or a subcontractor OR Town Secretarial pool doing the work,
    at far less than $ 150 per hour, on Town property?

    How much have Burturla’s opinions cost?

    Since the C. R. C. was created without BUDGET, by the Town Council, who
    AUTHORIZES all EXPENDITURES, who AUTHOIRIZED Burturla to BILL the TOWN
    for work done for a Commission, NEVER AUTHORIZED with a BUDGET, by the
    Town Council? (What stops the Town Attorney from creating work & billing?)

  146. 147 freedomofspeach

    First, as I have corrected information, the $500,000 for legal “fees” (rounded off) equates to 4,000 hours ($125 per hour) per year, or around two full time professional employees billing 38 hours plus of profitable time per week. My guess its at a 50% or more GPM. to the firm Add the fact that you pay for a secretary, “law library” and it looks like everything else, the position of town attorney as it is now is a gold mine for the law firm, and as I said before, they get the mine, the town is getting the shaft. There is no need.

    Most law firms charge professional time at a rate, say $150.00, and other than some other minor charges, or reduced charges for paralegals, it’s an “all in” fee, except for court costs, that you have already line item in a budget.

    In addition, are you paying for meetings? Is that an additional fee?

    The law library at 9 grand, gee Lexis is that much? I guess they dont have one at BM&D. I guess a a set of updated court reporter, GCS, and RCSA’s are expensive. No wonder small law firms like Mirons could not survive in private practice.

    No wonder you’re upset.

  147. 148 1george1

    One of the other past Mayor Candidates, Jon Best, who attends most of
    the charter revision commission and town council meetings, unlike most
    of the other past candidate (gotta give Jon his props) said a couple of
    weeks ago that I did a “good analysis” about the possible LOWER cost of
    having an in-house statutory employee attorney at $ 80 – 90,000 per year
    with ALL of the OVER HEAD and BENEFITS, to cost justify the lower rate.

    I recently reposted the analysis.

    Naturally, a couple of weeks ago, Mayor Miron spoke to the C. R. C. and was
    UNCHALLENGED by the C. R. C. (after my posting on this blog & viewed by
    several on the C. R. C.) in his claim that NO ATTORNEY would touch the job
    for under $ 130,000?

    The prior C. R. C. has notes about going out to BID.

    And I recognize there are specialties, getting higher rates.

    However in a FREE MARKET economy……
    Oooops, I forgot this is CORRUPT-icut and the LEGAL COMMUNITY ….
    (political connections… whorse trading business)

  148. 149 sudds

    “having an in-house statutory employee attorney at $ 80 – 90,000 per year
    with ALL of the OVER HEAD and BENEFITS”

    ???

    George… all of your requests alone probably get us up to the $80k mark! :oP

    But seriously… at that rate you’re talking about approx $50k as a base rate… for an attorney? Umm… AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!

    I will agree however, that it should be put out to bid, and the best (combination of requested rates, experience, knowledge, etc) person should get the job!

  149. 150 sudds

    Gavin…

    You above post implies (to me anyway) that you will most likely NOT run for mayor, and since you cannot run for Council again…

    I would just like to say…

    THANK YOU!

    As a resident of the 3rd district I can honestly say that you should be proud of what you have done as a Council member!!!

    (before anyone even thinks about “attacking”, please remember that without Gavin having the intelligence/fortitiude/cajones to vote to override Miron’s veto… we wouldn’t have the current CRC!).

    Hopefully this will not mean your end of service to our District/Town! Did you hear that Jim Amann is not running for Speaker of House in Hartford again? Huh? Huh??? :o}

  150. 151 jezebel282

    Freedom, Gavin, George, Sudds

    Remember we have an attorney that graduated from Western New England College School of Law with a Juris Doctor degree who works for the Town full time (well, he’s supposed to anyway) for $90,000/year.

    We had another, Kent Miller, who worked full time for $45,000/year.

    Finding an attorney in this town does not seem to be a problem. The place is crawling with them.

  151. 152 jezebel282

    Gavin,

    Another thought: Terry Backer seems to owe a LOT of people favors. Maybe he’s tired of paying them back?

    Shouldn’t be too difficult either, you just have to remember three letters:

    E.C.S.

  152. 153 pcsperling

    Jeze ~

    A graduate from Western New England College of Law? It’s a Tier 4 school. LSAT scores probably weren’t high enough for a better law school.

    From what I’ve read, and it could be wrong, but Tier 4s breed more litigators and solo practitioners, which would explain alot and, also, there’s not a lot of concentration on the corporate or in-house world, which also explains alot.

    Sorry, I shouldn’t be so mean.

  153. 154 jezebel282

    Pat,

    That’s not mean.

    You didn’t mention he got that 4.0 in AMB305 Advanced Ambulance Chasing (with lab).

    Now THAT would have been mean.

  154. 155 gforrester

    Sudds:

    Thanks for the kind words. I do my best and I hope that some good comes from it. At this point I have no idea what I will be doing in 2009. I might try and go back to the Zoning Board – and there is always BOE – but if I was able to I would run for 3rd District again in a heartbeat. I love serving this district which is like a mini town with the combination of residential – commercial – historic – I have to say that there is never a dull day in the 3rd lol.

  155. 156 1george1

    Sudds,

    I had a power outage this afternoon, when I was going to reply about your
    post suggesting I thought we could get a town attorney for $ 40 – $50,000.

    The range I suggested was $ 80, to $ 90,000 BEFORE BENEFITS and all of the
    comparative savings from a solo or small firm practicioner.

    Most Employee packages are worth a minimum of 40 % over base, however when
    you consider all of the benefits and eliminated headaches, I believe they MORE
    than DOUBLE the Value of Annual guarenteed Compensation, for known terms
    and conditions, of 2 to 4 years.

    As a Statutory Employee, a Town Attorney gets the benefits of being an employee,
    like matching FICA, SS, Medicaid, Unemployment, Worker’s Comp, etc., while still being allowed to take expenses.

    An employee package would include paid Holidays, paid Vacation, paid Sick leave,
    which Contractors do not get. Further there are various PAID Insurances, like Health,
    Death, Malpractice, and others.

    Covered Expenses can include ALL Office expenses and even limited use of Town
    Vehicle and Traveling.
    No Office EXPENSES: RENT / MORTGAGE; Electric; Phone; I-net; Law Library;
    Furniture; Equipment; Stationary/Supplies; etc.
    A consistent Salary, with NO collectables, and NO AC/AP issues
    Paid: Secreary(s), Paralegal(s), Assistants etc.

    Then there is both the prestige of being a Town Attorney, with the HUGE
    benefits of gaining INSIDER KNOWLEDGE and CONTACTS as well as the SECRET
    BENEFIT of FAVORS owed for future collectables… 😦
    > Government Attorneys, especially in Criminal Prosecution are the ultimate
    in INSIDER TRADING!

    Maybe $ 80,000 is too much, considering the above? 🙂 😉

    I believe an office with pt secretaries, paralegals, & stipend pt special attorneys
    for Housing / Education / Land, with monthly stipends, could be completely
    covered, including all expenses (except settlements) for under $ 400 – $ 450,000
    as year. 😉

    In 1998/1999, the Town side paid a total of $ 221,000 in fees, with a total Budget of about $ 567,000, including settlements. 8)
    But then, it didn’t include Housing or Education. 8) 😦

  156. 157 1george1

    Jeze kept her word to be “posting her ass off, since the play write
    closed his blog.


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