Show Me The Money!

16Apr08

Did you ever wonder why Charlie Brown kept trying to kick the football Lucy held for him? Louie Burke is holding the football for us one more time. Will we try to kick it again? Of course we will!

Theater developers pared to 5 finalists
RICHARD WEIZEL
Article Last Updated: 04/15/2008 11:12:16 PM EDT

STRATFORD — The Town Council has “short-listed” the number of candidates to revive the Shakespeare Theatre to five finalists — including two groups that already failed in efforts to reopen the Elm Street showcase.

Out of nine applicants that applied to become consultants and/or operators of the reopened theater, the council on Monday night narrowed the field to five.

The theater has been closed since 1989.

In addition to the two groups that were unsuccessful in earlier attempts to reopen the theater, the finalists include a Shakespearean producer and director from Great Britain, another from Los Angeles, and the owner-operator of a similarly revived theater in Rhode Island.

Their ideas range from creating an all-encompassing Shakespeare Festival season primarily featuring works by the Bard to a diverse slate of productions, including musicals and virtually no Shakespeare at all.

But the overall theme was that one of Connecticut’s biggest tourist attractions during the 1950s and ’60s could return to its former prominence, or even better, as a national or international destination similar in status to other Shakespearean venues around the world.

Koerner, Kronenfeld Partners LLC, of New York, is among the finalists.

KKP President Carl Koerner, whose group last June failed to meet a deadline to raise $1 million to begin renovations on the theater, said his newly configured group has the financial backing to make the project work.

director Louis Burke, who has for nearly two decades insisted he should lead the effort to revive the Shakespeare Festival Theatre, despite a failed attempt during the late 1990s, is also a finalist.

Burke is the artistic director of Stratford Festival Theater Inc., who claims his group has the resources to invest $10 million in the project.

Another finalist, Frank Tobin Enterprises of Los Angeles, said his group would rely heavily on producing both Shakespeare and other “classical theater” by featuring actor Randall Duk Kim.

The plan would include a regular Shakespeare Theater Festival season from April to November, operating an academy for actors in training and conducting outreach in theater and the arts to local schools.

British Shakespearean producer Paige Newmark, who traveled from Oxford, England, to make his presentation, and presented the most ambitious of the proposals, is another finalist. He indicated the theater could become an international destination for Shakespearean productions.

“I envision this becoming a world-class theater, but one that will take time to evolve,” said Newmark, artistic director of Shakespeare South Africa. Stratford “has in its possession the crown jewel of Shakespearean theaters in America,” Newmark said.

Finally, the council selected William J. Hanney, owner and producer of Theatre by the Sea in Matunuck, R.I., as a finalist. Hanney said he would produce musicals, contemporary dramas and concerts, but with virtually no Shakespearean presentations.

`You could have big-name stars like Carly Simon, and other types of shows in addition to the theater productions,” he said.

Hanney, who said he doesn’t believe Shakespeare would draw as many patrons, has also built, operated and restored movie theaters throughout New England including the Stratford 14 complex on Barnum Avenue. He said he would present summer shows already staged at his Rhode Island theater in Stratford as well.

Town Council Chairman Michael Henrick said the council will submit additional questions to the five finalists, and give them a chance to make final, one-hour presentations at 6:30 p.m. May 7 in Town Hall.

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57 Responses to “Show Me The Money!”

  1. 1 1george1

    A friend somehow got an Independent Contractor position with the Lou Burke
    “very happy” crew. She was “stiffed” for close to $ 10,000 in pay. Her co-workers
    were stiffed for more than that.

    There were other Contractors who were owed much, much more.

    My friend’s opinion of Lou Burke? Well, if I blogger her verbage, Sue Sulier would
    NOT be happy and the screen might turn BLUE?

    Mike Julian was trying to short list 9 applicants down to 5 applicants.
    How in the world KKP and SFT were considered with their history?
    > Yes, KKP came up with an ANGEL. But well after the fact.
    (Oh Burturla worked 9 months on a 3 month agreement IF
    A) I heard correctly
    B) I remember correctly
    > I wonder how much he charged for a NEGOTIATION, where there was
    NO MONEY DOWN, and NO FULFILLMENT of TERMS for “timely” FUND RAISING?)

    > Yes, Burke was artistic director and not the Finance person. However, IF
    what I have heard was true, about his “very happy” campers, who I was told
    first hand, were badly taken advantage of… and if what my friend told me
    was true about what she heard for the other people…..?
    >> This is ONE CASE where FEEHAN and I agree with DISDAIN for LOU BURKE!

    Gavin raised the issue, to the MAYOR, about the new MOVIE STUDIO
    affecting the SHORT LIST? (Surprize ?)

    The Mayor said something to the effect that there was negotiations to be
    done and an announcement is coming. (Did I hear Apr 28?)

    During a break, Rich Weisel shared a press release from the Mayor & DeLauro
    with Mike Julian & Tris DeRoma (They worked together in the past & have a good working relationship). Carol made copied for Mike & Tris, who allowed another
    person and then myself to read it.

    Mike seemed bothered by me following them from where they originally asked
    him questions, but I was actually respectfully waiting my turn to talk to them,
    before the break was over.

    I raised the ISSUE of TIMING to Rich Weisel, that at the same time they have 9
    presentations for Shakespeare, repeatedly delayed, all of a sudden there is a
    new 900 lb Gorilla, perfectly situated to take advantage of Shakespeare?
    RICH SAID HE WONDERED ABOUT THAT TOO.

    Mike Julian & Ed Goodrich, put a lot of time into these alternatives, which
    included ANGELO’s good friend (Joe Patria?) of KKP, who was mortified by the
    financial failures of KKP, which conviently dragged this whole thing out.

    Hmmmm?
    Could it be, that political people set up cunctatorial situations for confluent
    financial self interest?

    OH NO! Another conspiracy theory!
    However, I already blogged some connection for the DOTS

  2. 2 jezebel282

    George,

    I am very surprised you did not mention Doc Gunther in the same sentence as Louie Burke.

  3. 3 jezebel282

    Is it possible that Council members actually read this blog?

    You read it in the Bard:

    Council shortlists Shakespeare candidates
    By: Tristram DeRoma, Bard Editor
    04/25/2008

    Town Council recently did some pruning to its list of potential owner/operators of the Shakespeare Theater. The list includes Koerner Kronenfeld Partners LLC, Theater By the Sea, Paige Newmark, Frank Tobin and Stratford Festival Theater.

    Council decided to go through with the short list, even though they’re still waiting for a report from a company scheduled to do renovations on the 20 years’ dormant theater. The report will include a “clear and accurate estimate as to how much the renovations will truly cost.

    (Nothing like borrowing $2.5 MILLION before you know how much it will cost)

    Even though Town Council had already bonded $2.5 million for the project last year, some sources are beginning to say it could be a lot higher. Even some of the theater candidates, such as Paige Newmark and Frank Tobin, have said it could cost at least two to three times more.

    Councilman Alvin O’Neal said it was important the candidates have a copy of the report too. “I believe it’s important they have it,” said O’Neal at the meeting. “It’s important because it’s going to help them to decide if they want to drop out or use it to give a more accurate presentation.”

    Mayor James Miron also asked the council members if they would also want to talk to the candidates’ financial backers as well. Town Attorney Richard Buturla suggest if and when they do, things they should look at should be the quality of their accounting practices, the soundness of their fiscal statements as well as the financial soundness of their financial backers.

    “I want to see some financial data that will assure me they will withstand the test of time, and I want to see a business plan that makes sense,” said Mike Julian, R-1.

    (Way to go, Mike! A real question! We knew you could do it!)

    With that, the council voted to approve the short list and wait for the report.

    According to the mayor, the next step will be a “short list of the short list.”

    “And that’s where council will have to do its due diligence,” said Miron, adding at some point the council is going to have to see some concrete financial data from whoever is left to make its final decision.

    (The Council? Mayors are exempt from due diligence?)

    “It is going to then have to choose whether it wants a commercial operation or a non-profit organization based on the data it receives.” said Miron.

  4. 4 1george1

    Town Attorney Richard Buturla suggest if and when they do, things they should look at should be the quality of their accounting practices, the soundness of their fiscal statements as well as the financial soundness of their financial backers.

    George > I am still waiting for Burturla’s office to give a proper accounting of what each Attorney has done for the last 2 (or 12) years, to justify billing?
    I asked Norko’s office. He defers to the Town Attorney’s office.
    I asked Town Attorney secretary, Gail, who said they don’t have a program to break
    out Billing differentiation (like how much of a Bill went to C. R. C. (make) work) 😦
    I asked C. A. O. McCauley. She has something. She has yet to share it.

    ->

    “And that’s where council will have to do its due diligence,” said Miron, adding at some point the council is going to have to see some concrete financial data from whoever is left to make its final decision.

    George (Please see above)

    ->

    “It is going to then have to choose whether it wants a commercial operation or a non-profit organization based on the data it receives.” said Miron.

    George
    I have always favored a commercial operation, which is responsible for all repairs and
    for property taxes and a form of licensing partnership.

    I agree with Miron’s stated point of view. Before bloggers get all over me, please think about the fact that I consistently posted my believe that everything has been on Time tables with bipartisan inner party members working with Burturla to screw up any of
    our Economic Development, until they could totally control it.
    > I believe one could easily add Fee-han to the B UTTER NUTS & mIRON CURTAIN.

    ->

    Lastly, Mike Reynolds and your Tin Foil fetish.

    The Miron backers do NOT specifically articulate the achievements of Miron.
    (I have given him and his crew, occasional credit, (reluctanly) when deserved.)

    You and some people who mock my facts and opinions, NEVER take a SPECIFIC
    POSITION on anything that you believe is worthy of “derision” or “conspiracy”
    mocking, HAVE YOU?

    I have as much CONTEMPT for FLAT EARTHERS, as bloggers have of Miron curtain,
    blind / deaf / dumb bloggers, who refuse SPECIFICS in DEBATE.

    So everytime YOU type TIN FOIL, or ANY ONE else chooses to write off “conspiracy,” then you are holding your positions OPEN to CONTEMPTUOUS reply.

    You can blog anything you want. It is not my blog.

    However, in almost everypost about NON STRATFORD issues or personnel, do I or do I NOT make an attempt to LINK those ISSUES and/or personnel to Stratford?
    > You can disagree with me. I have no problem with that!
    > You can disagree with my conclusions. I have no problem with that!
    > However to throw a blanket mock and/or insult, without PROVING your point OR at least QUESTIONING any of my SPECIFIC POINT(S), is deserving of DERISION, CONTEMPT,
    and COUNTER ATTACK, since in LAW & in COURT, “SILENCE is CONSENT!”

    ->

    So just as the Mironistas LOSE arguements within this blog when they can / will not argue intelligently, so too do the mockingbloggers, when …… 🙂

    I REST MY CASE! 8)

  5. 5 gforrester

    (Nothing like borrowing $2.5 MILLION before you know how much it will cost)

    Jez the council toured the facility last go round and was supplied “estimates” from KKP and Louis Burke on what they each thought it would cost to repair the building to get it operational. When the KKP bid failed the Mayor brought in a consultant and we have heard rumors of anything in the range of 2.5 million to 20 million depending on how “lavish” the structure should be (The majority of the council have yet to see the report). On top of that I have no indication from the finance department that the bonds have actually ben sold so technically we have committed to funding 2.5 million but, if the bonds are not yet sold, we haven’t borrowed a dime. I’ll check with Finance to see when and if the bonds were sold.

  6. 6 1george1

    Oh Mike Reyolds >

    This above is a challenge to your
    INTELLIGENCE
    INTEGRITY
    ABILITY to DEBATE
    ABILITY to THINK

    For those bloggers who know you, and this seems to be an incestuous political
    group, for the most part, I AM CALLING YOU OUT – to SPECIFIC DEBATE or SHUT
    UP.

    I am NEVER in favor of anyone SHUTTING UP!

    Mike Reyolds, occasionally you put together a few sentences and a few good
    to decent perspectives.
    At least you don’t swear!

    However, the posturing & posting of nah, nah, nah, nah, nah is childish.
    I will be very happy to answer ANY QUESTIONS
    I will be very happy to defend ANY POSITION.

    Oh, you may even change my mind.
    I have changed some positions.
    I have been wrong and made corrections when made aware.
    Mike Reyolds, wouldn’t you like to be able to get me to change my mind,
    because your facts are superior to mine?

  7. 7 1george1

    Gavin,

    I hate to keep giving you credit for your intelligent and informative posts… 😦
    However your blog post is, again among the more intelligent and informative.. 😉

    Just to give equal time, Jon has been among the better posters, as well. 8)

    PCS is my favorite blogger.
    Jeze is the MOST responsive and opinionated / passionate blogger.

    I miss On Target, Kane, Cyclops, Kate, Tim, and many of the other bloggers from
    a few months ago…

    ->

    Did Pat Blumstein have her medical procedure and is she doing well?
    Regardless of if she had it or not, (I don’t know details) I wish her well!

  8. 8 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    “if the bonds are not yet sold, we haven’t borrowed a dime.”

    Whew!

    “Jez the council toured the facility last go round and was supplied “estimates” from KKP and Louis Burke”

    Louie Burke! You had an “estimate” from Louie Burke and you belie…wait, I’ll stop laughing in a minute.

    Ok, that’s better, my sides still hurt a little. Mr. Forrester, in most cases I believe the technical accounting term would be “generally accepted accounting principles”. However in Louie Burke’s case I think we should more appropriately quote P.T. Barnum. There’s one born every minute you know.

  9. 9 mikereynolds

    George,
    I think you forgot to include…

    And I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll……

  10. 10 freedomofspeach

    Ok now I have two things that hit the button on me and I have to comment. The Stratford Shakespeare Theater. What a great place. I am going to hear a lot of comments on this post, but let me state that my thoughts are based on reality; not some far fetched ideas from someone in “the theater”. I am sure I don’t understand it, but I do understand the concept of costs, soft costs, break even, profit, and leaving the town on the hook for millions.

    Having some knowledge of the building prior to its transfer to the town, and that was years ago, I can safely say that $2.5 million will likely cover the testing for asbestos and lead, as required by federal law before any renovation and demolition, some of the selective demolition required to investigate structural integrity, and the soft A & E costs. With that you will have a partially demolished structure, a set of draft drawings, an estimate to make it structurally sound, and nice fence around it. Then you can put out the bids for demolition, and pick out a wonderful monument to place there.

    Using commercial viability of a venture like this as a standard, just look at the costs related to the New Haven theater renovations done by Joel Schiavone (who although looks very strange in a tu tu, is pretty good at this sort of thing) and one will realize that the $2.5 million needs to multiplied at least ten times to get to the true amount. Also, if you look at other successful venues of this size (and there are few if any) you will see the break even after such an investment is many years if at all. However, the “experts” and the Mayor (who has failed to provide the TC with the recent report but may have shared it with the developers) has put a number if $x to $XXXXXXXX million to renovate it. So it looks like another “Team Stratford” deal on the horizon, so as the experts say, you should not fight it, and just sit back and think happy thoughts until it’s over.

    But I don’t have to. Some simple time tested ideas to weed out the incompetent and insane are easily obtained (if you’re a professional company with firm financial backing) financial documents, and I am sure Gavin you heard of these, they are called surety bonds. Why the TC never required Bid, Performance, and other Surety Bonding on this is beyond my comprehension, and if they did, were they called and where is the money? Then when the next “experts in the theater” fails, you just call the bond for the $5 or $10 million and go down the line and then rebid. But the town is not out a dime. Hey do you think the “experts in the theater” are just looking to eat the towns $2.5 in bonding, sort of chew and screw scheme like Team Stratford, or what the developers at Steel Point are doing?

    Face it, although I love small theater venues, the present situation of the building that is well wasted away to the point of condemnation (it was almost like that before the town got its hand on it) cannot ever be commercially viable with reconstruction of the present structure. $20 million in this project either requires $200,000 per month in loan payments at 3% (average LIBOR rate fixed at 10 years) or investors who are getting duped, as the IRR that someone would want would be more than 3%, so it would be the same $200,000 times 3 per month for a 9% return on investment monthly. Keep the money in the bank boys and girls. Factor that the cost of finance should only be what 20% max of gross revenue, just going backwards how much money is needed to pay $2.4 million a year in finance charges? I don’t have a Masters (What’s better then a Masters??), and its Sunday morning here and I have not had my coffee, but I stayed in Holiday Inn once. So operating year round, Thursday-Sunday a total of 6 performances per week, every week, one per operating weekday and 2 on the weekends for a total of 312 performances per year (not counting off times or adding holiday specials) what does the total gross revenue of each and every performance have to be to cover that money?

    Not sure how many seats it will have after “renovation” but at say 250 seats every one of them full for every one of the 312 performances, the cost on each ticket to carry $20 million finance costs, at a great rate and term is apportioned, my guess, at $31 per ticket. So I am sure the present players can get well over $100 plus per ticket, pay for the heat, cooling, and lights, and if they get around paying for the actors, stage hands, and performers, and can fill the house every performance, then it’s a great deal for the town and investors. And of course with gas hovering around $4 per gallon, and food cost skyrocketing, everyone is going to race to the venue at $100 plus per ticket.

    And if they could not raise the $1 million minimum the first time, throw them back in the pond; they failed, just like the other one. You need someone who has a $50 million plus in real financial backing that can get $25 million bid and performance bonding today, and pay a rent of tens of thousands per month to the town. None of this the town pays them to screw around with a bad idea on a dilapidated structure, while consultants, insiders, and lawyers are making money. Did the town learn anything from the Team Stratford mess, or is it the same game with more players?

  11. 11 freedomofspeach

    Jez???? “generally accepted accounting principles” GAAP in Stratford?????

    And I thought I needed coffee before I posted.

    Anyone who thinks that any of the present administration, or past projects meet any sort of real standards needs to check your messages, as I think the pharmacy called and your medication is ready. It must be something in the water.

    Even without a Masters Degree, know this.

  12. 12 freedomofspeach

    OK, now after some coffee some more food for though. Maybe the Mayors supporter on this blog, heck even the declared and undeclared Mayoral candidates, and TC members, can enlighten us on how they are going to deal with the run away cost of heating oil, power, and vehicle fuel, and how that’s going be dealt with when we are look at $5 per gal diesel fuel and most of the heavy town equipment uses that, and the cost of electricity used for heating and cooling of your schools and offices are almost the highest in the nation?

    Because I am sure families with children are feeling the pinch on food and energy costs, while the Mayor and his office staff go off on trips, or have $8,000 in “education” costs covered, and everyone dickers on who is going to be allowed to steal the money bonded for the Shakespeare Theater. I wonder how much in legal costs are going to paid to local lawyers on this?

  13. 13 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    “Why the TC never required Bid, Performance, and other Surety Bonding on this is beyond my comprehension, and if they did, were they called and where is the money?”

    When the State finally took it over (I think we stilled used rotary phones back then) a surety bond WAS required to bid. Of course, Louie Burke failed to get one of those. So his buddy Doc Gunther reopened the process, got rid of the surety bond part and Viola! Louie pulled in $10,000/month for himself for years.

  14. 14 freedomofspeach

    Back to the theater. I think people are confused what a business plan really is. It’s basically a document used to get funding by showing your idea or business model works. Guess what, there is no money. The TC or whoever has the powers that can make this happen or kill it needs to say to the best group they select “nice business plan, based on what your telling me your going to make $$$$$$. The rent is X %, you get one free year of rent, we will need a Performance Bond of 100% of the rent for the term, a Performance Bond of an amount equal to the renovation estimate, plus 10% (after review by a professional who works for the towns interest), and certificates of insurance for property under construction, property when complete at full value, and general liability, naming the town as additionally insured. You have ten days. You cant lien the property, but can leverage the lease, Once we have these documents, let’s get a lease done. These are the terms, do you accept them?” If not, say thanks and go to number two and start the party all over. If you get no successful bidder, then you have no bidder and the financial/commercial viability without substantial town funding is not there. Its better to walk away and look at the alternative, and that is securing the structure until the money can be found to demolish it, or an angel writes a check for $20 plus million, and the town puts it in trust for the project.

    The other option is to sell it, but I am not sure the transfer documents from the state to the town allow for that. I say again I am not sure.

    Putting a real value on the true financial benefits to the town is very subjective. If you add in (like governments, NGOs, and non-profits love to do) the “indirect” and non measurable financial benefits, such as opening this theater will take one gang member off the street, as they always love Shakespeare, and the cost to incarcerate one gang member is $250,000 per year of tax dollars, so we have a $250,000 savings and the project should go forward. The benefit to the town has to be real, measurable, and meet that nasty word that SARBOX has made so important, GAAP. Cash talks BS walks.

  15. 15 freedomofspeach

    OK GAAP is a term of art, not a real word.

  16. 16 freedomofspeach

    Ok that should tell you something, if you can’t get a bond, then you’re not financially stable enough in the market, period. When you have something that has to make money to pay its commitments, and the developer can’t get a bond, then run and hide. In the private sector its collateral. Its not that the banks don’t trust you, well they don’t that’s why LTV exists, but they have to have some sort of guarantee in case you fail. Bonding is the contract equivalent for government work, a guarantee to protect against inferior and unqualified companies doing government work and not paying the bills.

    Developers and others have great ideas, but if they can’t convince partners, investors, and a surety to provide bonding, then it’s a no win for the town. Every state and federal agency requires a bond for performance and payment above a certain amount. Why? Because people who can’t make it work with their ideas leave others holding the bag and go for change orders and try and renegotiate.

    $10,000 per month for HIM? How much did he pay to Docs campaign for that gift?

    Doc, well wasn’t he the one who tried to get the property at Avco declared as a historical, thus killing any chance anyone could afford to develop it? Strange, a friend of Norms maybe, who lost out on the spoils from Team Stratford? I am so happy that the town was taken out of the loop on that. I don’t like the idea that the town lost $11 million (1990s money) plus that Team Stratford was supposed to pay to the town for the property, the town could have sold it to a qualified developer and reaped the rewards of that years ago if they had required performance on the contract and had a bond in place, you lost, but at least it will get developed.

    I am glad I am not there; the town still operates like a bizarro world. People should be in jail for all the things that have been done and yet they still are elected to positions of power. Ban the Pirates.

  17. 17 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    See? You’re getting the hang of it now. I must admit, before Miron picked up his crown and scepter I was just an average fat dumb and happy taxpayer who occasionally wondered why things never seemed to get done here.

    The more you learn, the more you understand why a shower in the mayor’s office is absolutely necessary.

  18. 18 starlooker

    George:

    Pat Blumstein is home from the hospital and her surgery was a success. She is doing well except pain and discomfort from the stitches. The recovery will be a bit long but all is well. I know she appreciated all the prayers and well wishes she received.

    Star

  19. 19 freedomofspeach

    Thats great that shes home and on the road to recovery. Our prayers are with her on a speedy recovery. Now back to the show.

    “According to the mayor, while the council predicted the fix-up would cost about $2.5 million, B and L Systems, the company doing the assessment is going to put the price at least three times higher.”

    Interesting, I can’t seem to find B and L Systems in the Connecticut Secretary of State records. I must be mistaken, anyone have information on this contributor…err I mean consultant? What are their qualifications? Amazingly The Department of Consumer Protection does not show them licensed as an Architect, Engineer, or having any trade license in the company name, but I might be mistaken. Does anyone have the names of the owners? Most large firms have a corporate or company license as well as individual licenses.

    I thought the practice of consulting on construction, including cost analysis, structural integrity, safety, and mechanical was a licensed profession. What was B and L hired to do? Is the building over 5,000 SF and a place of assembly? The state seems to think it should be a licensed profession:

    Sec. 20-288. Definitions. As used in this chapter:

    (1) “Board” means the Architectural Licensing Board appointed under the provisions of section 20-289;

    (2) “Architect” means a person who engages in the practice of architecture; and

    (3) “The practice of architecture” or “practice architecture” means rendering or offering to render service by consultation, investigation, evaluations, preliminary studies, plans, specifications and coordination of structural factors concerning the aesthetic or structural design and contract administration of building construction or any other service in connection with the designing or contract administration of building construction located within the boundaries of this state, regardless of whether any person performing such duties is performing one or all of such duties or whether such person is performing them in person or as the directing head of an office or organization performing them.

    Sec. 20-298. Exempted activities. The following activities are exempted from the provisions of this chapter: (1) The practice of engineering by a professional engineer licensed under the provisions of chapter 391, and the performance by such professional engineer of architectural work for which such professional engineer is qualified by education and experience and which is incidental to such professional engineer’s engineering work; (2) the construction or alteration of a residential building to provide dwelling space for not more than two families, or of a private garage or other accessory building intended for use with such residential building, or of any farm building or structure for agricultural use; (3) the preparation of details and shop drawings by persons other than architects, for use in execution of the work of such persons, when buildings are designed in accordance with the requirements of this chapter; (4) the activities of employees of architects licensed in this state acting under the instructions, control or supervision of their employers; (5) the superintendence by builders, or properly qualified superintendents employed by such builders, of the construction or structural alteration of buildings or structures; (6) the activities of officers and employees of any public utility corporation whose operations are under the jurisdiction of the Department of Public Utility Control; (7) the activities of officers and employees of the government of the United States while engaged in this state in the practice of architecture for said government; and (8) the making of plans and specifications for or supervising the erection of any building, any building addition or any alteration to an existing building, where the building, including any addition, contains less than five thousand square feet total area, provided (A) this subdivision shall not be construed to exempt from the provisions of this chapter buildings of less than five thousand square feet total area of the use groups as defined in the State Building Code as follows: Assembly, educational, institutional, high hazard, transient residential, which includes hotels, motels, rooming or boarding houses, dormitories and similar buildings, and (B) the area specified in this subdivision is to be calculated from the exterior dimensions of the outside walls of the building and shall include all occupiable floors or levels.

    Sec. 20-299. Definitions. As used in this chapter, unless the context otherwise requires:

    (1) “Professional engineer” means a person who is qualified by reason of his knowledge of mathematics, the physical sciences and the principles of engineering, acquired by professional education and practical experience, to engage in engineering practice, including rendering or offering to render to clients any professional service such as consultation, investigation, evaluation, planning, design or responsible supervision of construction, in connection with any public or privately-owned structures, buildings, machines, equipment, processes, works or projects in which the public welfare or the safeguarding of life, public health or property is concerned or involved;

    Sec. 20-302. Requirements for licensure. No person shall practice or offer to practice the profession of engineering in any of its branches, including land surveying, or use any title or description tending to convey the impression that such person is a professional engineer or a land surveyor, unless such person has been licensed or is exempt under the provisions of this chapter. The following shall be considered as minimum evidence satisfactory to the board that the applicant is qualified for licensure as a professional engineer, engineer-in-training, land surveyor or surveyor-in-training, respectively:

    Sec. 20-309. Exemptions. The following persons shall be exempt from the provisions of this chapter: (1) An employee or a subordinate of a person holding a license under this chapter, provided the work of such employee shall be under the responsible supervision of a person so licensed; (2) any corporation whose operations are under the jurisdiction of the Department of Public Utility Control and the officers and employees of any such corporation or any contracting corporation affiliated with any such corporation; (3) any manufacturing or scientific research and development corporation and the officers and employees of any such corporation while engaged in the performance of their employment by such corporation, provided the engineering work performed by such corporation, officers and employees shall be incidental to the research and development or manufacturing activities of such corporation; (4) officers and employees of the government of the United States while engaged within this state in the practice of the profession of engineering or land surveying for said government; and (5) architects licensed under chapter 390, in the performance of work incidental to their profession.

    So what are B and L Systems license numbers? They are consulting and performing an evaluation on the renovation of a structure, a place of assembly, and then I would assume that the costs they come up with are to make it meet the state building code, I would dare to say, this is the practice of Architecture and Engineering. They are clearly “rendering or offering to render to clients any professional service such as consultation, investigation, evaluation, planning, design or responsible supervision of construction, in connection with any public or privately-owned structures, buildings, machines, equipment, processes, works or projects in which the public welfare or the safeguarding of life, public health or property is concerned or involved” and “rendering or offering to render service by consultation, investigation, evaluations, preliminary studies, plans, specifications and coordination of structural factors concerning the aesthetic or structural design and contract administration of building construction or any other service in connection with the designing or contract administration of building construction located within the boundaries of this state” with that, they need a licenses and be registered.

    Well since the Mayor is a lawyer and would never do anything against the law according to Ms. Dobosz, I am sure it’s all a mistake. So tomorrow I will make a long distance call to the State Boards and see what they say regarding this.

    Now if they are a contractor and the Mayor hired them to do this work, against the statutes and regulations, I think the town needs to look at why an unqualified and unlicensed person won the bid to consult on this and why?

    I guess I have to stop having a day off, as I am spending my Sunday blogging when I should be out exercising.

  20. 20 freedomofspeach

    Seems like the Avco plant is plagued with developers who have failed before. Louis Burke apparently is marketing himself as one of the developers. Can it be? A guy who…..well its bizarre.

    http://www.festivalenterprises.com/concept.html

    Point Stratford, the new International Theater/Film Festival and Entertainment Resort Destination – will be modeled by Festival Enterprises on the proven profitability of six other successful Festival Theater complexes throughout the world.
    Features:
    • 79-acre waterfront property just over an hour from New York City and within a three hour drive of 1/5 of the U.S. population.
    Stratford is a strange place.

    I did not know he won the bid.

  21. 21 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    (Plugging in defibrillator) Not a single mention of Hollywood East/Area 51 either. I’ll bet Warren Christopher will be real happy somebody else will be developing it.

    (Clear!)

    I wonder if any of these people have ever heard of Louie Burke:Jane Alexander • Norman Allen • Maureen Anderman • David Aaron Baker • John Barton • Theodore Bikel • Philip Bosco • Ken Billington • Joan Brickhill • Carol Burnett • Kate Burton • John Caird • Len Cariou • Stockard Channing • Tony Church • David Cromwell • Tandy Cronyn • Billy Crudup • John Cullum • Michael Cumpsty • John Cunningham • Jim Dale • Blythe Danner • Ruby Dee • Mark Deklin • Dame Judi Dench • Brian Dennehy • Mia Dillon • Keir Dullea • Faye Dunaway • Jeffrey Donovan • Olympia Dukakis • Charles Durning • Penny Fuller • Betty Garrett • Mel Gibson • John Glover • John Goodman • Tammy Grimes • Adrian Hall • Julie Harris • Rosemary Harris • George Hearn • Edward Hibbert • Celeste Holm • Dana Ivey • Anne Jackson • Timothy Jerome • James Earl Jones • Simon Jones • Nafe Katter • Judy Kaye • Jerome Kilty • Jane Krakowski • Nathan Lane • Frank Langella • Angela Lansbury • Robert Sean Leonard • Bram Lewis • Millicent Martin • David McCallum • Rue McClanahan • Geraldine McEwan • Sir Ian McKellen • Mark McVey • Kathryn Meisle • Jerry Mitchell • Liliane Montevecchi • Charlotte Moore • Brian Murray • James Naughton • Liam Neeson • Milo O’Shea • Austin Pendleton • Christopher Plummer • Stefanie Powers • Lynn Redgrave • Roger Rees • Natasha Richardson • Ron Rifkin • Laila Robins • Marion Seldes • Douglas Sills • Patrick Stewart • Elaine Stritch • David Suchet • Marlo Thomas • John Tillinger • Topol • Eli Wallach • Fritz Weaver • Michael York • Rachel York • Louis Zorich

    (Clear!)

    “Stratford is a strange place.”

    We know that, Freedom. You don’t have to keep rubbing it in.

    (I’ve got a pulse, Doctor.)

  22. 22 gforrester

    Jez – The reason I mentioned Mr. Burke’s estimate is because, believe it or not, his estimate was within range of the others discussed so he was not too low or too high and surprisingly added some validite to the number of 2.5 million. Having read the website for Festival Enterprises I am just shaking my head in astonshment.

  23. 23 gforrester

    Freedom

    The property has been previously tested by the EPA/DEP during the 1st round of Raymark remediation that took place at the Boat Club property on shore road some 5 – 6 + years ago. It is not considered a part of the superfund site and has no hazardious waste per the State of CT at the time the title was trabsfered. I have not been informed by anyone that additional testing is required but maybe it’s in the report that the consultant prepared that we have not yet seen. The Council did not hire B & L so I can not tell you at this time what their qualifications are, again, the majority of the council have note yet seen the report. You also are making assumptions on the renovations to include some sort or demolition. That is not in any of the plans discussed by any of the 9 consultants/developers that we have interviewed. What has been discussed is a new roof – electrical HVAC – interior improvements (the seating capacity would be around 1,500) and we have ranged from 2 million to as much as 10 million. I was reluctant to agree to 2.5 million in bonding but I don’t recall seeing a tremdious outpouring of oposition to the bonding proposal.

    “The other option is to sell it, but I am not sure the transfer documents from the state to the town allow for that. I say again I am not sure.”

    I can tell you that when the title was transfered to Stratford it came with restrictions regarding a minimum 20% open space and that the property only be used for a theater or open public space (park). We can’t sell it but we can give it back to the State.

    Your statements regarding the Town not using proper accounting practices or principals does not match what the independant auditors have reported. They indicate that Stratford is in compliant with guidelines established by the federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board. If you have any knowledge to the contrary I wish you would share it with the council.

    I would also require a performance bond be in place and it was a requirement of the contract between KKP and the Town, however, KKP never made it to that stage as they failed to deposit the good faith money. That’s why the council had a reverter clause in the agreement and if KKP did not meet the establish narrow deadlines the agreement between the parties would be void. This council did not end up in a Team Stratford or Shakespeare developer debacle like councils of several years ago.

    And to finally respond to your questions regarding fuel and energy consumption we are presently reviewing the budget as provided by the finance department and we will be having budget workshops (Q & A’s) to determine how they calculated the costs and what inflation factor was used.

  24. 24 freedomofspeach

    Gavin thank you for the reply it seems like your trying to work within the constraints that you have. I am not throwing digs at you, just asking questions, and appreciate the answers. I am not privy to a lot of things that apparently the members who post here are. My only goal is to get answers to my questions and publish my opinions. Opinions on public matters, based on the information that I have. If in the process I find something that does not sound right, I try to get to the bottom of it, and hope that this acts as a bright light shining on the truth. I don’t live in Stratford, and I don’t plan to. Jez can attest to that by looking at my IP addresses that I post from.

    “The property has been previously tested by the EPA/DEP during the 1st round of Raymark remediation that took place at the Boat Club property on shore road some 5 – 6 + years ago. It is not considered a part of the superfund site and has no hazardous waste per the State of CT at the time the title was transferred. I have not been informed by anyone that additional testing is required but maybe it’s in the report that the consultant prepared that we have not yet seen.”

    My concern is not about buried waste or groundwater contamination, the Federal EPA regulations, codified in Connecticut regulations require every commercial structure to be fully inspected and sampled prior to any demolition, renovation, or construction. The regulation is called NESHAPS.

    http://www.ct.gov/dep/cwp/view.asp?A=2718&Q=325412

    Also the concern is about light ballasts that contain PCBs, florescent bulbs that are special wastes, and mercury switches.

    I would love to see you post the B & L report on the blog.

    “The Council did not hire B & L so I can not tell you at this time what their qualifications are, again, the majority of the council have note yet seen the report. You also are making assumptions on the renovations to include some sort or demolition. That is not in any of the plans discussed by any of the 9 consultants/developers that we have interviewed. What has been discussed is a new roof – electrical HVAC – interior improvements (the seating capacity would be around 1,500) and we have ranged from 2 million to as much as 10 million. I was reluctant to agree to 2.5 million in bonding but I don’t recall seeing a tremdious outpouring of opposition to the bonding proposal.”

    It’s a good question to ask what B & L qualifications are, especially since they don’t seem to be registered with the Secretary of State (from my quick look and I may be wrong) or with the Department of Consumer Protection, and are making evaluations of costs and providing consulting services that the TC is going to rely on. Don’t you think that an Architecture and Engineering firm would have been a better choice? B & L might be one, but I am confused why they don’t come up as registered with the state.

    As far as no demolition, if they are making penetrations through the walls, redoing the roof, attaching anything to anything, then it’s a renovation and covered under the regulations and requires an inspection, and if asbestos is found, then a abatment is required before any work is started. The costs are astronomical, and it should be part of any consultants report. Another question to ask is how did B & L make any sort of learned evaluation without looking at the structural components of the building? That would require selective demolition, and that is also covered under the regulations. Now if they did not do any evaluation of the structural components, then the scope of their work is so limited I would question the validity of the study. I do not know how they could provide a report on the cost to renovate a building without knowing if the roof, trusses, joists, and other structural building components are fit for use and could take the additional stresses. You can’t tell that if the things are in the walls and have not been visually inspected. Also, how can you calculate the cost of repairing or replacing a roof if you don’t know if it’s asbestos and will require abatement?

    “The other option is to sell it, but I am not sure the transfer documents from the state to the town allow for that. I say again I am not sure.”
    “I can tell you that when the title was transferred to Stratford it came with restrictions regarding a minimum 20% open space and that the property only be used for a theater or open public space (park). We can’t sell it but we can give it back to the State.”

    The land is nice, and it does have a lot of significance in the town, but there is a cost relationship to goodwill.

    “Your statements regarding the Town not using proper accounting practices or principals does not match what the independent auditors have reported. They indicate that Stratford is in compliant with guidelines established by the federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board. If you have any knowledge to the contrary I wish you would share it with the council.”

    Not yet, but I am getting nosey enough. Just from what I have heard second hand, and to keep my comments in context I have to look back at what I was commenting on. Of course your auditors reports meet FASB standards, so did Enron’s, MCI WorldCom’s, Bear Sterns, and the copier company that put someone local in trouble with the SEC. It does not mean they are correct, it means that they are “clean”. It’s also strange how we hear that internal audits show issues in departments, and people were fired. Were these not financial audits? Anything else would be purely subjective. Does the town have a reserve for litigation and claims? Based on the losses you have had in that department, with more to come is it enough? Yet the accountants say the town is fine with no foot notes (litigation ongoing reserves adequate) or statements to the contrary. The fact that the Mayor transferred grant money to office renovations is what begs the question. I am not sure that there is a grant to put a shower in the Mayors office or renovate it, I looked and cant seem to find one. Not sure what it was supposed to be used for, but I am sure it was not earmarked, nor the original grant request written for that. Remember the FASB gives standards to accounting firms and just basically says the numbers are in the right place.

    “I would also require a performance bond be in place and it was a requirement of the contract between KKP and the Town, however, KKP never made it to that stage as they failed to deposit the good faith money. That’s why the council had a reverter clause in the agreement and if KKP did not meet the establish narrow deadlines the agreement between the parties would be void. This council did not end up in a Team Stratford or Shakespeare developer debacle like councils of several years ago.”

    Great job done by the TC. I am glad that the people elected a better TC who has learned from the past. I read your post about Burke, pretty strange he’s back as finalists and apparently is one of the developers of the Avco plant, although the news reports show that another company won the auction. It’s worth taking a look into.

    “And to finally respond to your questions regarding fuel and energy consumption we are presently reviewing the budget as provided by the finance department and we will be having budget workshops (Q & A’s) to determine how they calculated the costs and what inflation factor was used.”

    Great idea, but just a note, it is no longer possible in this day in age to index fuel and power by inflation factor. They change hourly. Not sure the answer to this, but it’s a good question, as other than for labor cost, total energy related costs are the second highest and uncontrolled cost that you have to deal with. There are ways, but they are complex.

    Keep up the good work.

  25. 25 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    “I was reluctant to agree to 2.5 million in bonding but I don’t recall seeing a tremdious outpouring of oposition to the bonding proposal.”

    Umm…there was PLENTY on the SPT. I know, I wrote it.

  26. 26 1george1

    FOS,

    Having some knowledge of the building prior to its transfer to the town, and that was years ago, I can safely say that $2.5 million will likely cover the testing for asbestos and lead, as required by federal law before any renovation and demolition, some of the selective demolition required to investigate structural integrity, and the soft
    A & E costs. With that you will have a partially demolished structure, a set of draft drawings, an estimate to make it structurally sound, and nice fence around it. Then you can put out the bids for demolition, and pick out a wonderful monument to place there.

    Gavin:

    The property has been previously tested by the EPA/DEP during the 1st round of Raymark remediation that took place at the Boat Club property on shore road some 5 – 6 + years ago. It is not considered a part of the superfund site and has no hazardious waste per the State of CT at the time the title was trabsfered. I have not been informed by anyone that additional testing is required but maybe it’s in the report that the consultant prepared that we have not yet seen. The Council did not hire
    B & L so I can not tell you at this time what their qualifications are, again, the majority of the council have note yet seen the report. You also are making assumptions on the renovations to include some sort or demolition.

    George:
    Shakespeare Theater is one of the EPA’s Raymark dump sites. As such, some of the
    grounds are already tested for Remediation and EPA cunctation.
    Thanks to Tony Schillo, for the last 10 years the “unused parking lot” is the best
    paved surface in Stratford. I wonder how many streets could have been paved?
    The Theater itself looks like a money pit?
    What was once a Jewel, has become fool’s gold. 😦

    Writing of which:
    Mike Reynold is threatening to “BLOW the HOUSE…”
    Could he be referring to the Shakespeare Theater? 😉

    Jeze:
    I was just an average fat dumb and happy taxpayer who occasionally wondered why things never seemed to get done here.

    George:
    I thought you were describing me? It fits, snugly, and was exactly the description
    given to me by the NALC Union Sectional / National Reps, as they ALLOWED our
    local to be contractually raped and rail roaded.
    Stratford is just S. O. P.

    George to Star:
    Thank you for the FOI on Pat B. Please extend my regards for speedy recovery.

    George to Laura & Dave:
    Please do not be discouraged from posting. I have issues with Dick Miron / Dick
    Burturla’s backers, who pull the town’s strings. Jim Miron, has done some good
    things, however, I believe most are on time table which could have been done A
    LONG TIME AGO.

  27. 27 freedomofspeach

    Gavin thank you for the reply it seems like your trying to work within the constraints that you have. I am not throwing digs at you, just asking questions, and appreciate the answers. I am not privy to a lot of things that apparently the members who post here are. My only goal is to get answers to my questions and publish my opinions. Opinions on public matters, based on the information that I have. If in the process I find something that does not sound right, I try to get to the bottom of it, and hope that this acts as a bright light shining on the truth. I don’t live in Stratford, and I don’t plan to. Jez can attest to that by looking at my IP addresses that I post from.

    “The property has been previously tested by the EPA/DEP during the 1st round of Raymark remediation that took place at the Boat Club property on shore road some 5 – 6 + years ago. It is not considered a part of the superfund site and has no hazardous waste per the State of CT at the time the title was transferred. I have not been informed by anyone that additional testing is required but maybe it’s in the report that the consultant prepared that we have not yet seen.”

    My concern is not about buried waste or groundwater contamination, the Federal EPA regulations, codified in Connecticut regulations require every commercial structure to be fully inspected and sampled prior to any demolition, renovation, or construction. The regulation is called NESHAPS.

    http://www.ct.gov/dep/cwp/view.asp?A=2718&Q=325412

    Also the concern is about light ballasts that contain PCBs, florescent bulbs that are special wastes, and mercury switches.

    I would love to see you post the B & L report on the blog.

    “The Council did not hire B & L so I can not tell you at this time what their qualifications are, again, the majority of the council have note yet seen the report. You also are making assumptions on the renovations to include some sort or demolition. That is not in any of the plans discussed by any of the 9 consultants/developers that we have interviewed. What has been discussed is a new roof – electrical HVAC – interior improvements (the seating capacity would be around 1,500) and we have ranged from 2 million to as much as 10 million. I was reluctant to agree to 2.5 million in bonding but I don’t recall seeing a tremdious outpouring of opposition to the bonding proposal.”

    It’s a good question to ask what B & L qualifications are, especially since they don’t seem to be registered with the Secretary of State (from my quick look and I may be wrong) or with the Department of Consumer Protection, and are making evaluations of costs and providing consulting services that the TC is going to rely on. Don’t you think that an Architecture and Engineering firm would have been a better choice? B & L might be one, but I am confused why they don’t come up as registered with the state. Might be under a different name.

    As far as no demolition, if they are making penetrations through the walls, redoing the roof, attaching anything to anything, then it’s a renovation and covered under the regulations and requires an inspection, and if asbestos is found, then an abatement is required before any work is started. The costs are astronomical, and it should be part of any consultants report. Another question to ask is how did B & L make any sort of learned evaluation without looking at the structural components of the building? That would require selective demolition, and that is also covered under the regulations. Now if they did not do any evaluation of the structural components, then the scope of their work is so limited I would question the validity of the study. I do not know how they could provide a report on the cost to renovate a building without knowing if the roof, trusses, joists, and other structural building components are fit for use and could take the additional stresses. You can’t tell that if the things are in the walls and have not been visually inspected. Also, how can you calculate the cost of repairing or replacing a roof if you don’t know if it’s asbestos and will require abatement?

    “The other option is to sell it, but I am not sure the transfer documents from the state to the town allow for that. I say again I am not sure.”
    “I can tell you that when the title was transferred to Stratford it came with restrictions regarding a minimum 20% open space and that the property only be used for a theater or open public space (park). We can’t sell it but we can give it back to the State.”

    The land is nice, and it does have a lot of significance in the town, but there is a cost relationship to goodwill.

    “Your statements regarding the Town not using proper accounting practices or principals does not match what the independent auditors have reported. They indicate that Stratford is in compliant with guidelines established by the federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board. If you have any knowledge to the contrary I wish you would share it with the council.”

    Not yet, but I am getting nosey enough. Just from what I have heard second hand, and to keep my comments in context I have to look back at what I was commenting on. Of course your auditors reports meet FASB standards, so did Enron’s, MCI WorldCom’s, Bear Sterns, and the copier company that put someone local in trouble with the SEC. It does not mean they are correct, it means that they are “clean”. It’s also strange how we hear that internal audits show issues in departments, and people were fired. Were these not financial audits? Everything else would be purely subjective. Does the town have a reserve for litigation and claims? Based on the losses you have had in that department, with more to come is it enough? Yet the accountants say the town is fine with no foot notes (litigation ongoing reserves adequate) or statements to the contrary. The fact that the Mayor transferred grant money to office renovations is what begs the question. I am not sure that there is a grant to put a shower in the Mayors office or renovate it, I looked and cant seem to find one. Not sure what it was supposed to be used for, but I am sure it was not earmarked, nor the original grant request written for that. Remember the FASB gives standards to accounting firms and just basically says the numbers are in the right place.

    “I would also require a performance bond be in place and it was a requirement of the contract between KKP and the Town, however, KKP never made it to that stage as they failed to deposit the good faith money. That’s why the council had a reverter clause in the agreement and if KKP did not meet the establish narrow deadlines the agreement between the parties would be void. This council did not end up in a Team Stratford or Shakespeare developer debacle like councils of several years ago.”

    Great job done by the TC. I am glad that the people elected a better TC who has learned from the past. I read your post about Burke, pretty strange he’s back as finalists and apparently is one of the developers of the Avco plant, although the news reports show that another company won the auction. It’s worth taking a look into.

    “And to finally respond to your questions regarding fuel and energy consumption we are presently reviewing the budget as provided by the finance department and we will be having budget workshops (Q & A’s) to determine how they calculated the costs and what inflation factor was used.”

    Great idea, but just a note, it is no longer possible in this day in age to index fuel and power by inflation factor. They change hourly. Not sure the answer to this, but it’s a good question, as other than for labor cost, total energy related costs are the second highest and uncontrolled cost that you have to deal with. There are ways, but they are complex.

  28. 28 freedomofspeach

    I have tried to reply to Gavins comments since yesterday and it wont let me post. Gavin, thank you for your answers and I hope it will let me back online soon.

  29. 29 jezebel282

    Editors note:

    FOS’s posts were caught in spam. They have been released. My apologies.

  30. 30 jezebel282

    Editor’s other note:

    “Jez can attest to that by looking at my IP addresses that I post from.”

    Jez does not look up IP addresses as a matter of course. The only instance was an unusual surge in the survey voting for mayor. To be honest, I forgot to turn on filtering and couldn’t imagine anyone not named “Miron” making that selection.

    And as much as it disappoints George, I will never reveal anyone’s identity other than Miron’s.

  31. 31 1george1

    George raises questions, which gather response, and improves the quality of
    discourse (in most cases).

    George can not take credit for the quality (or lack of) of anyones’ comments,
    which are self evident.

    However, George consistently raised issues, even challenging Jeze to move away
    from Miron bashing, childish name calling to be more issue oriented.

    When Jeze stays focused on Issues, Jeze is very constructive.
    When Jeze gets’ “HOT BUTTONED”….

    George admits to focus issue on personnel outside of Stratford.
    However, George believes George’s parents, maternal uncle, paternal uncle,
    maternal Gram, maternal niece, 1980s MD & CPA, among many others were
    murdered by Military / Political operatives at the NATIONAL LEVEL, who are
    in DIRECT CONTROL of Stratford Political fortunes.

    So when mindless mike, uses inky dinky insults, it hits my HOT BUTTON of
    demeaning my LOVED ONES, and I believe Mike Imbro’s Dept. knew a LOT
    MORE than what they let on…
    > Most of Stratford PD, like most other PD = fine people.
    > The political / police at local level do NOT have the INTELLECTUAL
    CAPABILITY for doing things they way things were done!
    > The political / police at local / state / Fed levels work in concert, yet the
    locals do NOT know the agendas or capabilities of the state / area / nationals,
    which are heavily invested with creatures who make the Mafia look like amatuers.

  32. 32 jezebel282

    George,

    My apologies. Psychopathic, ego-maniacal scum does that to me.

  33. 33 pcsperling

    Well, familiar names now for the SAEP property. Well, anyone know any good realtors, I think it’s time to get out of dodge! With Louis Burke and Fred Frasinelli involved and the redevelopment of SAEP, we all know what’s going to happen – we’ve all been down that road before.

    There was never an Area 51/Hollywood East? I guess they raised enough money for the purchase, but don’t have the $80 million for the property remediation? WTF is all I’ve got to say on that one.

  34. 34 1george1

    Jeze,

    Take the way YOU feel about certain people, and multiply that by 100,
    and you MAY come close to knowing the depth of my feelings.

    People who lost family to War, Crime, or Holocaust can empathize, the
    same way I can empathize with people who lost their careers in the last
    2 years. The direct attack on me started in 1984, and has been a BATTLE
    since then.
    > If I didn’t understand it, HOW could I explain it?
    > If I was in denial, HOW could I get others to believe?
    > If people who do believe me, are fearful to trust Imbro, Burturla, & others,
    how do I get concurrance?
    > If I lived it and recognized that others who do NOT have my life experience
    would find it difficult to concur or accept hidden deviants WITHIN aspects of
    the POLITICAL inJUSTICE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX SCIENTIFIC TECHnoLOGICAL
    ELITES who CONTROL POLITICAL OPINION and FINANCE, because they can NOT
    Mirror Image the concept that AMERICANS gladly & gleefully KILL AMERICANS…

    I took out my frustrations on Mike Reynolds, who may be more intelligent than
    his post appears, and may have more sensitivity and empathy than his posts …
    however, to seek help and assistance, stating facts to be challenged and / gain
    a means to format them in a manner which can gain relief (such as petitioners
    did/tried to do) and get mocked in moronic non sequitors, uncaring that real
    people, completely innocent people were MURDERED, VERY DISCREETLY, VERY CAREFULLY, VERY INTELLIGENTLY, VERY COLD HEARTEDLY, VERY SCHADENFREUDELY
    / MASOCHISTICALLY, very, very, very consistent with the creatures who created
    the NAZI philosophy, to invade & ruin the land of the AsheNAZIm…..

    The enemy of my enemy…..

  35. 35 jezebel282

    What is lacking in this wistful editorial is a way for anyone else but Stratford residents to pay for it.

    You read it in the Post:

    Keep Shakespeare part of the theater
    Article Last Updated: 07/11/2008 08:37:45 PM EDT

    Would it be the Shakespeare Theater without Shakespeare?

    According to recent reports, the Stratford Town Council may award the contract to revive and operate the long-shuttered theater to a Rhode Island producer who has said he doesn’t believe Shakespeare would sell in the 21st century.

    That producer, William J. Hanney, is entitled to his opinion, but officials should think carefully before dismissing the theater’s original purpose. To be fair, Hanney has promised to put on one or two Shakespeare productions a year, but that isn’t sufficient. This is not just any theater.

    The council faces a difficult challenge. The theater was once an international draw, but today attracts only vandals. The facility once put Stratford on par with other communities of the same name around the world, but has fallen so far into disrepair that millions of dollars will be required just to get it back to the starting block.

    So the first priority has to be someone who can get the place open. After almost two decades with only a hint of theater inside, the town needs to ensure financial stability and demand a track record of success.

    But with a facility so steeped in history, the town must also consider the past — and the future. If Shakespeare becomes an afterthought, the theater will become one, as well. If Stratford isn’t known for its English namesake’s most famous denizen, there is little reason to predict the theater’s long-term success.

    Regardless of the Town Council’s decision, due on Monday, the town will face thorny issues. For starters, much of what was once theater parking has been sold and developed in the past 20 years, making for a severe shortage in the event the theater reopens. Also, the problems that have dogged other potential operators will continue to bedevil whoever is chosen this time around. Running a theater soundly is no easy task.

    But it’s also far past time to get moving. The council needs to pick the operator with the best chance of running the theater successfully, but also mandate that Shakespeare productions play a major role. There’s no need to exclude other shows, but Shakespeare needs to be more than a token presence. After all these years, it’s time to make Stratford proud again. There are a number of interesting, qualified candidates to take the theater back to its glory days. It will be a difficult path, but one worth taking, for Stratford and the region. And if this next attempt fails, maybe it’s time to forget about reviving the facility.

    Shakespeare has been unable to attract a single developer in the last 20 years with a checkbook. We’ve only seen huskters and actors looking for a free venue to perform and receive a paycheck.

    Non-profit doesn’t mean the theater must run an an operating loss. It is also not the function of Stratford Town government to provide entertainment at the expense of Stratford tax payers. Education, Fire and Police are far more important to Stratford taxpayers than any production of Shakespeare.

    It is time for the Town Council to borrow a line from a movie: “SHOW ME THE MONEY!”

  36. 36 1george1

    Just because Shakespeare Theater has yet to be opened, does that mean
    that someone with deep pockets and mareting ability analygous to Disney,
    is doomed to fail?

    Or, even people who are moderately rich and intelligent, but honest and
    Ethical, would be doomed to fail?

    Ooooops, I just disqualified a major portion of the powers in Town.

  37. 37 freedomofspeach

    “Just because Shakespeare Theater has yet to be opened, does that mean
    that someone with deep pockets and mareting ability analygous to Disney,
    is doomed to fail?”

    No such animal wants to reopen the Stratford Shakespeare Theater. ly carpet baggers.

    When such successful venues (Disney) have exploding fuel and energy costs, skyrocketing health care costs, taxes that are out of control, and insurance costs that would choke a horse. Only a heavily endowed non profit would be able to absorb the costs to do it without subsidies and freebees from the town. Remember Disney in Fla could not get the approvals or the county to buy into his project, so he formed his own “government” known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, became the only taxpayer, built the infrastructure, and controlled his own destiny without political intervention. Those kinds of people would look at the value of the Theater, and as the many professionals who reviewed and reported to the town, including Ernest and Young, without substantial subsidies, it cannot work.

    “Or, even people who are moderately rich and intelligent, but honest and
    Ethical, would be doomed to fail?”

    Yes 1george1, they would. Simply put, the math does not work without money for nothing.

  38. 38 1george1

    Hi FOS

    I had HIGH HOPES, HIGH HOPES, HIGH in the SKY, APPLE PIE HOPES.

    I suspect you are old enough to remember that Frank Sinatra movie.

    “The hidden command economy of the 1950s and before / after uses
    movies and other vehicles to prep public opinion.”
    You know, the people Eisenhower commanded during WW II, which
    oversaw all communications and about which he warned
    Military (Oil/money) Industrial Complex – Unwarranted Influence
    Scientific Technologic Elite – Controls Public Opinion

    More recently candidates referred to them as VOODOO Economics
    and FUZZY MATH.

    They run a couple of military plants – SIKORSKY & AVCO, and have a
    piece of DRESSER and MOBIL (just closed) in Stratford.

    They do not FUND Town Mandates.

    All of which impacts town taxes

  39. 39 jezebel282

    Update:

    Council OK’s funding for Shakespeare study from general fund
    Brittany Lyte, Staff Writer
    Published: 11:22 p.m., Tuesday, December 14, 2010

    STRATFORD — A $56,000 needs-assessment study for the town’s Shakespeare theater will be paid out of the general fund, contrary to statements previously made by town officials.

    The Town Council Monday night approved the expenditure, which is not accounted for in the current budget.

    The needs assessment is part of a $200,000 five-phase feasibility study to be conducted by Arts Consulting Group, which was hired by the town in October to design a nonprofit business plan and fundraising program for the town’s riverfront theater…”I would prefer that no taxpayer money be spent on this, but the return on this investment is going to be huge,” said Matt Catalano, a councilman at the forefront of the theater revival effort. “I’m excited, we’ve never been in a better position with this thing.”

    Huge! Huge, I tell you! Well worth at least a teacher or a paramedic or an emergency dispatcher or a custodian or a public works employee…

    It’s gonna be huge.

  40. 40 sudds

    Hey Jezzy-Baby,

    I bet it’s huge (not that I am insinuating anything about anyone) if you worked in the “theater world”, and stood to possibly get a “piece of the pie” for yourself!!!

  41. 41 1george1

    OPEN THE DARN THEATER 24/7/365

    RUN A VARIETY of VENUES

    Whether PROFIT or NON PROFIT, make sure there are ways to be
    self sustaining and repay EVERY PENNY put into the site!
    > Licensing
    > Property Tax
    > Ticket surcharge
    > Leasing theater fees
    > Advertising fees
    > Parking = 100 % to repay paving.

    Tourism will increase.
    Image will improve.
    Restaurants will get business.

    Adam Smith wrote about self interest.
    Everything we do relates to our priorities or necessities.

  42. 42 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I bet it’s huge (not that I am insinuating anything about anyone) if you worked in the “theater world”, and stood to possibly get a “piece of the pie” for yourself!!!”

    Councilman Catalano is simply doing what he told anyone who would listen he was going to do; something with the theater.

    I simply wish it would be done with someone else’s money.

  43. 43 sudds

    Who said anything about Councilman Catalano??? 😛

  44. 44 sudds

    “I simply wish it would be done with someone else’s money.”

    Agreed!!!

    Too bad the Council couldn’t come up with someone they could reach out too! Oh wait…

    Richard C. Levin, President
    Yale University
    PO BOX 208229
    New Haven, CT 06520-8229
    Email: presidents.office@yale.edu
    Telephone: (203) 432-2550
    Fax: (203) 432-7105

  45. 45 sudds

    What’s REALLY a shame is that there is no connection between our town and the university mentioned above!

    Oh wait… (#2)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Sterling

  46. 46 1george1

    Councilman Catalano is simply doing what he told anyone who
    would listen he was going to do; something with the theater.

    OH NO?

    A POLITICIAN WHO TELLS THE PUBLIC OF HIS INTENT AND THEN
    FOLLOWS THROUGH!!! ???

    I simply wish it would be done with someone else’s money.

    IF the FREAPIN THING can be opened for $ 200,000 consulting fee,
    AND NOTHING MORE, and can RECOVER all PAST COSTS including the
    $ 200,000 consulting fee
    Hanney Roof
    Parking Lot
    Attorney Fees
    Mainenance cost
    and generate surplus / fees to Town
    and bring in Tourist money

    Then it is a bargain!

    However ….

    “This IS Stratford!”

    ROTFCMAO

    I replaced “laughing” with “crying.”

    Sudds – YALE has a great reputation.
    However, I call it the UNIVERSITY of PERVERSITY!!
    Why?
    ALUMNI:

    GHW BUSH
    W BUSH
    PreSCOTT BUSH
    W. AVERILL HARRIMAN
    PERCY ROCKEFELLER
    HARRY PAYNE WHITNEY
    HENRY STIMSON
    DICK CHENEY – drop out
    LIEBERMAN
    JOHN KERRY
    AL GORE
    DAVID BOREN
    McGEORGE BUNDY
    JOHN CHAFEE
    WINSTON LORD
    WILLIAM DONALDSON
    WILLIAM HENRY DRAPER
    W F BUCKLEY JR
    EVAN GALBRAITH

    NIEL MALLON
    William Howard TAFT
    Robert Lovett
    Steve Schwarzman

    The above are just SKULL and BONES, except LIEBERMAN,
    Bush kisser

  47. 47 1george1

    Sudds,
    I believe YALE does NOT pay proportiate property taxes, due to the
    NON PROFIT STATUS of multiple entities.

    One reason I do NOT like direction which MATT and CHRIS appear to favor.
    I prefer a FOR PROFIT ENTITY linking
    AVCO + replaced AIRPORT + SHAKESPEARE

    AVCO 78 acres
    AIRPORT over 250 acres = much unusual wetlands
    SHAKESPEARE may be 14 acres? Parking insufficient for Seating!

  48. 48 sudds

    George,

    1) Alumni = Donors/Patrons/Sponsors/Attendees/Actors/etc

    2) I believe YALE does NOT pay proportionate property taxes –> Zero income is WAY better than 100’s of thousands of dollars (if not more) in expense (paid out BY TAXPAYERS)!!!

  49. 49 sudds

    CORRECTION:

    Zero income [and an operating theatre are] WAY better than 100′s of thousands of dollars (if not more) in expense (paid out BY TAXPAYERS) [and a business plan… but no open theatre]!!!

  50. 50 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Zero income is WAY better than 100′s of thousands of dollars (if not more) in expense (paid out BY TAXPAYERS)!!!”

    And the council rejected this idea after you presented it to them? Maybe you should contact your Councilman..oh wait.

  51. 51 1george1

    As long as we have the country club c.r.e.e.p.s. and
    the whoresmen of the esquirachial kleptocracy steering
    titanic like courses, any idea is moot.

    One of these days, the people of Stratford may get pissed
    and act ….. likely not … I have given up on most of them.

    Some of my ideas have actually been implemented and it
    has saved Mils over the years, believe it or not, and has
    improved some services.

    The Gremlins keep chippin away …. The mIRON CURTAIN
    is wrapped around Stratford casting an omnious shadow
    over the SUN SHINE of our LIVES.

    I am starting to believe Dick M is a KGB agent?

  52. 52 sudds

    “And the council rejected this idea after you presented it to them? Maybe you should contact your Councilman..oh wait.”

    My Councilman has posted on this site several times, so I’m fairly certain that he’s seen my postings.

    But then again, my Councilman is also the one whom I have rumors regarding the fact that he has his own agenda for the theatre (which does NOT include Yale).

  53. 53 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Ooops!

  54. 54 1george1

    Mr. Catalano has never made a secret of the fact that he and others
    want the Shakespeare Theater restored and open.

    They, not him alone, wanted consultants in how to recreate the other
    Shakespeare festivals found around the world as thriving tourist spots.

    Ed Goodrich and many in the Old Stratford Neighborhood Association
    have had this agenda and against Hanney and the other wackos.

    Do I agree 100 % with the idea ?
    NO!

    Does their idea embrace the basic objectives I prefer?
    NO!
    However, they are far closer than the Hanney thing.

    Is this $ 200,000 another was of money and time?
    Time will tell.
    I hope not.
    However there are many factors lining up towards 2012.
    Some things should happen this summer.
    I have always posted about TIME TABLES!

    I am still expecting a STOCK MARKET CRASH.
    Last year, several very, very, very capapble people expected
    a correction by mid year and the 3rd Q would start a rise?

    So far the STATE / MUNI DEBTS and international DEBTS have
    been contained or have yet to have their impact.

    Certain factions want to destroy Unions and Special Interests
    control of the personnel and process.
    Huge Wealth Transferred off shore!!

  55. 56 1george1

    Over 400,000 recorded blog hits as of January 5, 2011.

    Interesting how some perpectives changed and others
    have been consistent.

    I wonder what DARPA-NSC would think of the analytics,
    if they chose to review?

    I am watching Batman “THE DARK KNIGHT” now.

    Interesting confluence of plots with the last DIE HARD Movie
    + subsequent geo-national, political, economic, societal, and
    other events …..

    —–

    This BLOG STREAM was about staged and unstaged CURTAINED Theater
    and “show me the money” chess pieces ….

    “all the world is a stage, and we are …”

  56. 57 1george1

    The more things change ….

    As of July 3, 2012 > 525,993 hits
    It is about to increase with piling on.


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