The 34% Solution

27Jun08

Could it be that there are other people in this State that think people are smarter than politicians?

You read it in the Post:

Group seeks to win right to petition
KEN DIXONArticle Last Updated: 06/26/2008 11:50:45 PM EDT

HARTFORD — Connecticut’s form of government should be changed to allow direct referendum and initiative similar to California, according to a new group that’s pushing for the first constitutional convention since 1965.The Constitution Convention Campaign, during a news conference Thursday attended by several members of the General Assembly, wants Connecticut to vote “yes” this fall to the statewide ballot question “Shall the state Constitution be revised or amended?”

It would be a first step toward possibly persuading lawmakers to adopt referendum and initiative, to allow voters to petition for new laws on everything from capping local property tax rates to prohibiting gay marriage, or even legalizing the medical use of marijuana.

In reaction to the announcement, a leading Democratic lawmaker said Thursday that the agenda for a convention would be dictated by the General Assembly, and he doesn’t believe Connecticut needs a complete rewriting of its constitution.

The lawmaker, Rep. Michael P. Lawlor, D-East Haven, co-chairman of the law-writing Judiciary Committee, said ballot referendum and initiative are not needed because that is part of the job of senators and representatives.

Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz said Thursday that she opposes a convention, adding that proponents are pushing for it because they’ve failed to have their causes taken up by the General Assembly.

You mean like run-off elections?

The Constitution Convention Campaign’s Web site is http://www.ctconcon.com

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36 Responses to “The 34% Solution”

  1. 1 jezebel282

    Can you imagine?

    Run off elections
    Budget caps
    Progressive Income Tax
    Easier access to referendums
    Maybe even redistribution of ECS funding

    Whew!

  2. 2 sudds

    Umm Jez… aren’t you the one who wants to make things LESS “political”???

    If so, how can you think that referdums are a good thing? Yeah, we’ll get the five things you have listed, but what about a year or two later when we start getting REALLY politically motivated items on the list?

    Exhibit A: San Franciscans Hope to Name Sewage Plant after George W. Bush

    What will you say when there is a vote to rename the Stratford sewage plant after all of those who have been sh*t-canned by Miron???

  3. 3 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    That’s the thing about voting. You can vote against something too.

    What’s wrong with naming a sewage plant after George W. or even Miron? Now that you mention it, I think that’s a GREAT idea!

    Exhibit B: The most family-unfriendly income tax in the country.

  4. 4 sudds

    “That’s the thing about voting. You can vote against something too.”

    True… but what is the cost every time one of these items is put on the ballot? And who do yo uthink is going to be paying that cost???

    “Exhibit B: The most family-unfriendly income tax in the country.”

    What chew talkin’ bout Willis???

  5. 5 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    There are always going to be ballots. Can you think of a November that you weren’t supposed to vote for something or someone?

    “Exhibit B: The most family-unfriendly income tax in the country.”

    What chew talkin’ bout Willis???”

    Oh right…you’re a DINK. (Double Income No Kids)

    Lets say you were a TFOF (Typical Family of Four).

    You’re AGI is $100,000 (lucky you). Your CT income Tax would be $4,000.

    Now let’s say you’re a DINK and your AGI is $100,000 (again you got lucky). Your CT income tax is $4,000.

    The point is that the TFOF has more expenses just to live than a DINK but yet get zero deductions from the State.

    The same is true for a DINK that provides for, say, an elderly relative. No dependent deductions in this income tax.

  6. 6 1george1

    Sudds & Jeze,

    In 1991 Diane Buda & friends got 27,000 Registered Voters to sign a petition
    for Referendums aimed at the center of political patronage:
    1) 2 % Budget Cap
    2) Term Limits
    3) Prohibit Financial Self Interest

    (Note: Presently there are less than 29,000 registered voters)
    (excluding the ghost voters)

    The State of CT. could not believe a 41 % voter turnout in an off year vote.
    In 2006, the voter turnout was 23 %.

    Those 3 Referendums passed and became Town Ordinances

    The political parties have actively undermined those Town Ordinances and
    quietly repealed other Ordinances, well before the issues became relvant!

    The Town Attorney in 1991? > John Florek!

    The same John Florek who has been on the payroll of Mayor Miron, and Town
    Attorneys Burturla & Kelly.

    The same John Florek who was head of the C. R. C.

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    Let us add up what checks and balances can mean to you.

    Sudds, if there was a CAP on the PENSIONS and competent investment of
    the Pension Portfolio, such as in Fairfield, and if there were no Golden
    Parachutes and people added to the Defined Benefit Pension Plan,

    YOU would save about 3 1/2 Mils.

    If the $ 54,000,000 ECS Shortfall had never taken place and let us say it
    cost an extra $ 10,000,000 in Interest, if the Town of Stratford would
    have borrowed less money, the Town Debt would be $ 100,000,000
    instead of approximatly $ 165,000,000

    YOU would save about 3 1/2 Mils.

    If the line item in Discretionary Expenses were BID Transparently, whereas
    PENSIONS and CAPITAL DEBT were $ 31,000,000 out of $ 87,000,000 Town side
    Budget in 2007:

    YOU may have saved about 1 to 1 1/2 Mils.

    If the Salaries and Benefits were comparable to the private industry from
    1980 to present. (I can not give certain details.)

    YOU may have saved about 2 to 2 1/2 Mils.

    If AVCO never downsized / closed, and was transitioned into an analogous
    Military Plant or private industry, not only would the local economy be
    better, but there would not be HOLES in
    Local Property Tax,
    State Sales Tax;
    State and Federal Income and Corporation Taxes
    It was BAD ECONOMICS

    Just with AVCO, YOU may have saved about 1 to 1 1/2 Mils.

    With responsible Economic Development of other delayed and lost companies
    and business exodus >

    YOU may have saved about 1 to 1 1/2 Mils.

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    Just my OPINION:

    If my most conservative estimates are correct, we should be paying
    about 12 LESS MILS than 30.24 new rate or about 18 Mils.

    I believe Burturla, Berchem, Dunn, Norm, W Cabrol/Lou, Mirons and a
    few others have cost the people of Stratford quality of life and if some
    of the Greatest Generation died because of low discretionary income,
    and whose hands are covered with blood guilt? 😦

    Most Pension abused were the political appointees and (certain) management,
    rather than the true workers!

    Can one understand the GREATNESS of people like ED HARGUS, who
    made a real difference for SENIOR CITIZENS and Families in Stratford,
    as well as the kids and School Systems?
    Ed was everywhere and at most meetings!
    He told the truth!
    Ed was not stuffin money in his pocket, or billing for phantom work or
    no show work, or steering contracts and change orders! 😦

    If they didn’t play games of UNenlightened self interest, the local Tax
    Base and Economy would be stronger and there is a good chance the
    Businesses of the people on the Town Committees would be HEALTHIER,
    because the Community would be Healthy.

    It is true, most people do not know the details of abuses, nor would
    they tend to make the best choices in voting (proven locally & beyond)

    But it is your money, your children, and your future!

  7. 7 jezebel282

    George,

    So I’m guessing you are in favor of referendums?

  8. 8 sudds

    Jez…

    Since you’re speaking in hypotheticals… let us not forgot to include that most TFOF’s itemize on their federal return… whereby they are able to clam their CT taxes as a deduction on the federal return.

    So whether or not they get a deduction on CT taxes really doesn’t matter. Let’s assume that the TFOF’s are given a child deduction on their CT taxes… guess what… their federal taxes just went up!!!

  9. 9 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Since you’re speaking in hypotheticals”

    It’s not hypothetical.

    “Let’s assume that the TFOF’s are given a child deduction on their CT taxes… guess what… their federal taxes just went up!!!”

    How do you figure that? Do you think Congress will say you won’t get a deduction if you live in CT? First of all, that would be political suicide and second of all there is that “equal protection under the law” thing in the Constitution.

    But wait…you’ll find out when you see how much Huggies cost.

  10. 10 sudds

    George… I agree with (almost) everything you say!

    If we could just somehow get you to use your “special forces” (LOL) in a forward looking nature instead of at the past… I swear you’d be either (a) an unstoppable force, (b) dangerous, or (c) a combo of the two!!!

  11. 11 sudds

    “How do you figure that? Do you think Congress will say you won’t get a deduction if you live in CT? First of all, that would be political suicide and second of all there is that “equal protection under the law” thing in the Constitution.”

    This has nothing to do with dependent deductions (which you are talking about)… take a look at line 5 of the Schedule A form (which most TFOF’s file)… they get to deduct taxes paid to CT on their federal return. If you pay less to CT… you’re going to pay more to the IRS!!! (this is a FACT that already happens)

  12. 12 1george1

    Correction:

    The total effect of interest on $ 167 million is between $ 10 – $ 15 m
    or 3 Mils. Reducing the debt to $ 100 million would save about $ 1 Mil,
    not the 3 – 3 1/2 Mils I posted above.

    The cost are determined by terms, condition, and interests of the loans.

    The fact I made a public and quick correction hopefully disqualifes me as
    a politician? I also admit these are estimates BAITING ANYONE to contest
    the $$ numbers.

    Not that I get many specific challenges, when I throw numbers … 🙂
    My intent is to be accurate as possible, but I also have to depend on
    numbers (often) from people who have political people, who …… 😦

    That is why I ask for 1099s and do research in past Budget Books.
    It is not Rocket Science.
    Local Trivia: Ben Branyan was studying to be a Rocker Scientist, but
    changed Majors for his own reasons.

    May be can create our own rocket and send all of the Toxins to the sun?

    Softball LOB – and counting 10, 9, 8, …

  13. 13 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “take a look at line 5 of the Schedule A form (which most TFOF’s file)”

    Most TFOF’s file Schedule A IF they own property and pay a mortgage.

    Even then…the effect of the of their State income tax on their Federal return is minimal and is currently equal to claiming no dependents. I’m not saying families with dependents should live tax free. I’m saying the State income tax should be more equitable.

    Oh wait..you have an MBA. They don’t teach “fairness” in business school.

  14. 14 jezebel282

    George,

    I find myself in the unusual (lately) position of completely agreeing with Sudds:

    “I swear you’d be either (a) an unstoppable force, (b) dangerous, or (c) a combo of the two!!!”

  15. 15 freedomofspeach

    You have first hand knowledge on what you got with a CRCI and CRCII, you got screwed. A charter is just a town or city constitution.

    CT lost the County Sheriffs, a political but necessary position, now you have state marshals and judicial marshals, state employees that cost 4-5 times what a special deputy and regular deputy cost, and doing less work. Real value.

    Now rather than having to pay off the local sheriff, you have to pay off the governor and a few legislators just to take the test. This was a constitutional change and a dupe to the taxpayers.

    Once you open up a convention to make changes, its open season, now if you want to eliminate the Attorney General, I would buy that. He always wanted to take over the dept of criminal justice and add criminal work to his little thiefdom, its not in the constitution, as he holds a constitutional office, so he cant, but he would really like to be like Spitzer in NY when he was the AG, so lets open the door to another nut in an elected position.

  16. 16 freedomofspeach

    And I like Scalia’s opinion on the 2nd amend where he clearly states that the government has a right to limit weapons in government buildings.

    “Nothing in our opinion,” he said, “should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

  17. 17 mikereynolds

    “CT lost the County Sheriffs, a political but necessary position, now you have state marshals and judicial marshals, state employees that cost 4-5 times what a special deputy and regular deputy cost, and doing less work. Real value.”

    I’m going to call BS on this one. I was a special deputy a long time ago. The County Sheriff’s system was THE biggest political, corrupt, backwards, patronage system.

    It wasn’t until the deputies were unionized and properly trained and the sherrif’s system was dismantled that the taxpayers of the state got their money’s worth. The people that were hired during the “good ole days” would NEVER be hired today and that’s a good thing.

    FOS, yes, they cost more, but the quality of the personnel is far superior.

    Now, if you want to kill the state marshalls, I’m with you. They were always a shady bunch and nothing has changed.

  18. 18 freedomofspeach

    “I’m going to call BS on this one. I was a special deputy a long time ago. The County Sheriff’s system was THE biggest political, corrupt, backwards, patronage system.”

    It was, it was the old political system, you know, you were part of it. But you knew who you were paying off. But it worked. Specials were paid per day, and the court system worked. Now the “Judicial Marshals” who guard the court house make a lot more, and the quality is the same, one just was arrested so I am not sure about the being better.

    “It wasn’t until the deputies were unionized and properly trained and the sherrif’s system was dismantled that the taxpayers of the state got their money’s worth. The people that were hired during the “good ole days” would NEVER be hired today and that’s a good thing.”

    And yet, every deputy was allowed to file to keep their job after the change from deputy to marshal, and most did. I would say 90% are still working. They still serve papers every day, and make a ton of money. But now you have a board to pick and choose who gets the position, although still an independent contractor.

    The system was dismantled because the Sheriffs had too much local power and the legislature had no control.

  19. 19 mikereynolds

    “It was, it was the old political system, you know, you were part of it. But you knew who you were paying off. But it worked. Specials were paid per day, and the court system worked. Now the “Judicial Marshals” who guard the court house make a lot more, and the quality is the same, one just was arrested so I am not sure about the being better.”

    The vetting process now is much more thorough. The quality of marshals now is so much better. Back then there was no such thing as a background check. It was who was your father, grandfather, etc. If they were friends with the High Sheriff, you’re in. Or, if you knew somebody on some town’s DTC, you’re in. There were special deputies who were drug users, felons, and other’s with questionable character.

    I stay in touch with judicial marshalls who stayed in, got promoted, and now run things. There is no question that judicial marshalls now are better trained and more professional.

    Sure one just got arrested. That proves nothing. You mean police officers never get arrested? They go through a application process that infintely more difficult.

    As for the state marshalls I can’t speak to the current situation. But I remember two things about deputy sherrifs:

    1. When they needed muscle serving papers they called us.
    2. They would serve their own mothers for a buck and would stab anyone in the back to serve a paper.

  20. 20 1george1

    If we could just somehow get you to use your “special forces” (LOL)

    Could one argue that state marshals, sheriffs, etc are “special forces?” 🙂
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    in a forward looking nature instead of at the past…

    Historian Georges Santayan:
    “He who forgets the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them.” 😦
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    I wonder if SUDDS and JEZE would give specific examples of why / how
    I would be one of the a, b, c?

    I swear you’d be either
    (a) an unstoppable force,
    (b) dangerous, or
    (c) a combo of the two!!!

    I have been told a certain foreign language has a word which means both
    DANGER
    OPPORTUNITY

    Or as Martin Luther was quoted > “It all depends whose OX is (Al) GORED.”

    I believe in the prime directive of Hypocrates: “Do no harm.”
    I seek no pound of flesh.
    Discipline is supposed to be “corrective in nature” and not punitive…

    Imagine if the forces of destruction, were refocused on the mission of
    construction?

    Yet, I can not maintain my focus, to limit myself to Stratford ..
    As Thomas Dunn wroe, we are all part of the continent…

  21. 21 1george1

    Supposed to be Dunn “wrote” not wroe.

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    I forgot about my friend Archimedes for
    “(a) an unstoppable force,”

    Archimedes > “Give me a LEVER, and I can move the world!”

  22. 22 jezebel282

    Mike?

    “If they were friends with the High Sheriff, you’re in. Or, if you knew somebody on some town’s DTC, you’re in. There were special deputies who were drug users, felons, and other’s with questionable character.”

    You mean like in the Stratford PD?

  23. 23 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    “Once you open up a convention to make changes, its open season,”

    That is not necessarily a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with new ideas. There isn’t even anything wrong with some old ideas.

    Permitting run-off elections if a Town or City chooses for one. The politicians in office certainly wouldn’t vote to make their election more difficult. Independents tend to do better in run-offs. It might loosen the iron grip the Town Committees currently have.

    The right to recall a chief executive officer for another. How many thieving, crack using, psychopathic pedophiles do we need before we can recall a mayor or governor?

  24. 24 mikereynolds

    Jeze,
    To be honest I’m not familiar with anyone on the force in Stratford except for one high profile applicant so other than that one person I’m in no position to comment.

  25. 25 freedomofspeach

    “That is not necessarily a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with new ideas. There isn’t even anything wrong with some old ideas.”

    “Permitting run-off elections if a Town or City chooses for one. The politicians in office certainly wouldn’t vote to make their election more difficult. Independents tend to do better in run-offs. It might loosen the iron grip the Town Committees currently have.”

    “The right to recall a chief executive officer for another. How many thieving, crack using, psychopathic pedophiles do we need before we can recall a mayor or governor?”

    I am not for or against a constitutional convention in CT at this point. I just was commenting on what you ended up with CRCI and CRCII, not what you intended. Now add every special interest group with a following and cash, and you may not get what you’re looking for. Freedom and Rights were what the US Constitution was about, and now people want to include definitions on morals and protecting mother earth. That’s what the legislature is for, stupid laws.

    I am for TABOR (Tax Payers Bill Of Rights) with override by referendum. I think we have to have some direct say in where the money is spent and when it is spent.

    I am for term limits at the state level. The soon if not already X local speaker is a great example of living well off the backs of the people. More deals then a used car salesman. Move up in politics or get out.

    I am unsure about the others. One reason is because right of recall, is “at will” employment for an elected official, and if he/she is doing the best they can within their term am a special interest group wants to oust them, then the time is spent fighting that battle. I will have to think about it.

    But I am in no position to debate what the citizens of the State of Connecticut want to do, just after being involved in something similar in the past, the end result did not look like what we started with.

  26. 26 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “To be honest I’m not familiar with anyone on the force in Stratford except for one high profile applicant”

    And anyone named “LoSchiavo” or “Buturla”.

  27. 27 1george1

    GM > Could FOS be suggesting the C.R.C. # 1 + 2 & the CT Constitutional
    Convention and other Towns recent CRCs are really TROJAN HORSES?

    FOS > “I am not for or against a constitutional convention in CT at this point.
    I just was commenting on what you ended up with CRCI and CRCII, not
    what you intended.”

    FOS > But I am in no position to debate what the citizens of the State of
    Connecticut want to do, just after being involved in something similar in
    the past, the end result did not look like what we started with.

    GM > As I previously blogged, Mike Henrich was trying to get Alvin to
    back the creation of the C.R.C. with Gavin next to Henrick who said:
    “We do NOT care what the petitioners want!”
    “We want to open the Town Charter to address some issues!”

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    GM >
    Is FOS advocating support for the intent of the 2 % BUDGET CAP Referenddumb
    in 1991, which I was NOT a part of, yet have supported since 1999, and on both
    the blogs of the Play write and Jeze?

    FOS > “I am for TABOR (Tax Payers Bill Of Rights) with override by referendum.
    I think we have to have some direct say in where the money is spent
    and when it is spent.”

    GM > Mr. FAHAN and the C. R. C. could not eliminate the BUDGET REFERENDUM
    option fast enough, nor could Esq. Burturla and Esq Florek pounce on the
    elimination of oversight on them quick enough, could they?

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    GM > Is FOS advocating support for the intent of the 1991 TERM LIMIT
    Referenddumb, which I was NOT a part of, yet have supported since 1999,
    and on both of the blogs of the Play write and Jeze?

    FOS > “I am for term limits at the state level. The soon if not already X local
    Speaker is a great example of living well off the backs of the people.
    More deals then a used car salesman. Move up in politics or get out.”

    GM > Gosh, FOS and Mike Reynolds insulting people in the system other than
    the Mirons and the usual suspects of the blog?

    When we add up the questionable character who our bloggers have listed,
    besides those I listed it gets pretty lengthy doesn’t it?

    > Jeze & Play write concentrate on Miron, but the Play Write tore up both of
    the political parties pretty good. Jeze has an entensive list too.
    > FOS > Governors, State Senators & Reps, Mayors, Town Councils
    > Mike Reynolds, tore up certain factions among sheriffs, marshalls, police.
    > Officer Sean > ditto
    > PCS is an expert on good and bad lawyers and judges, had some police
    experiences, and more.
    > Tax payer Tim & On Target disappeared.
    > Jon, Gavin, and Fahan limit their comments towardds certain areas.

    I guess my conspiracy theories should be set aside to defer to systemic
    corruption?
    Yet, if the system keeps choosing the corrupt….

    Warning … warning … warning … a suggestion about massive conspiracy! 🙂

  28. 28 1george1

    Above Sudds blogged, but did not explain:

    George… I agree with (almost) everything you say!

    If we could just somehow get you to use your “special forces” (LOL)
    in a forward looking nature instead of at the past…
    I swear you’d be either
    (a) an unstoppable force,
    (b) dangerous, or
    (c) a combo of the two!!!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Then Jeze blogged, but did not explain:

    George,

    I find myself in the unusual (lately) position of completely agreeing with Sudds:

    “I swear you’d be either
    (a) an unstoppable force,
    (b) dangerous, or
    (c) a combo of the two!!!”

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    While I assault the Town Budget and abuses, I favor good pay and
    benefits, again, I am against the abuses!

    I can not give details, but I believe people could have better social
    security and / or benefits, however costs are kited by vampires in
    both parties, who use talent to steer funds, rather than create $$.

    I look at massive areas in Stratford, Bridgeport, and the Valley,
    begging for development and redevelopment, and see a PLAN to
    do things on a Time Table, which needs TROJAN HORSE LAW changes
    to keep the perps, from going to Jail….

    What I also see are investigators bought off, via (fill in the blanks)

    What I also see is a DOUBLE CROSS:
    > Retirees, out of power, are no longer needed. Especially when their
    Patrons were older and now dead.
    > Lawyers, Judges and Enfocement people who BEND the LAW, have NO
    recourse, when the LAW is BENT against them.

    What was it that Mario Puzo wrote in the Godfather about lessons of
    History?

    Ask not….

  29. 29 jezebel282

    Freedom,

    “I am unsure about the others. One reason is because right of recall, is “at will” employment for an elected official, and if he/she is doing the best they can within their term am a special interest group wants to oust them, then the time is spent fighting that battle. I will have to think about it.”

    What was that about the “goose and the gander”? If at will is good enough for government employees, why not elected officials? If you can be fired as an employee for walking down the wrong side of a hallway (that seems to be all it takes in Stratford), why should a chief executive be treated differently?

    I have heard for over a year from people like Gavin Forrester, Jon Best and Ben Proto how the mayor is “held accountable”. Of course, that only happens once every four years. Wouldn’t we all love a job where we were reviewed only once every four years and be given a year in advance to justify our job?
    To make Mr. Forrester’s and Best’s statement true, a recall privileged provides REAL accountability. I don’t see the problem with holding a mayor accountable. Unless, the mayor really is unaccountable to anyone.

  30. 30 jezebel282

    George,

    What I meant (I’m not sure about Sudds lately) is that your historical accounts are very accurate. But then you stray into the realm of conspiracies, anagrams and mysterious statements.

    If you actually had a plan to fix it…you might end up as mayor.

  31. 31 1george1

    JUNE 29, 2008 – Sunday

    Jeze, (addrssing some of your issues, but not in my blog)

    I agree with your recall provision of the Mayor and/or reducing the term to 2 years.

    However I know for a fact the prior C. R. C. knew creating a NEW position of Mayor,
    made it NOT available to be recalled, due to State Law.
    This makes Burturla’s Legal Opinion to be worrysome about Right to Recall the other
    elected positions AND the Rights to Initiative and Recall, which I also know from my
    conversations with Jim Orlowe (BEFORE the C. R. C. was created) that there was a
    movement which recently was announced on the CT. POST Front page. (34 % Solution)

    If Jim Orlowe was aware, then I am sure the other C. R. C. members and Burturla were
    also aware of the coming Constitutional Convention issues about
    Initiative
    Referendum
    May I add citizens’ courts, to be able to bring Justice / FBI to the people’s Justice. These people protect the Federal Bureaucracy
    May I add citizens’ court to be able to bring local / State police and Prosecutors
    or other State & local personnel to Justice?

    I am suspicious of the Constitutional Convention usurpations, based on the
    1. political connections noted in the Berchem Website
    2. which towns have had charter revision commissions, which all seem to try to reduce the people rights, analogous to the Stratford C.R.C.
    3. warnings of Eisenhower’s 1961 farewell, which seem prescient!

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    What I meant (I’m not sure about Sudds lately) is that your historical
    accounts are very accurate.
    But then you stray into the realm of conspiracies, anagrams and
    mysterious statements.

    1) “historical accounts are very accurate.”

    If my facts are accurate, and some of my conclusions become reality,
    while other thing s may not (due to dialectics) is it possible that some
    or many of my conclusions are also accurate about conspiracies.

    Federalist Papers:
    (# 4) One Government can tap the talents and ability of diverse people.

    (# 10) Control the leadership of the Group = controls the Group.
    (The head of the Teamsters is/was a member of the Trilateral Commission).

    (# 79) Control the means of a man’s subsistenance and you control his will.

    (# ??) An ARMY once raised, can be used for any purpose.
    (Civilians can be a political Army, like the political parties)

    (# ??) People are in the most danger, from those they suspect the least.

    ( # ? 22? 23?) Great schemes to seduce every level of government and
    control the people take time to implement.

    There is also a statement about being vulnerable to being attacked, in order
    to galvanize the population to go to war.
    > Indian Wars > Revolutionary War = Boston Massacre >
    > War 1812 Sailor impressments>
    > Mexican War = Remember Alamo & prior atrocities >
    > Civil War = FORT SUMNER
    > Indian War = Custer massacre
    > Spanish American War = Remember the Maine
    > WW I = Lusitania
    > WW II = Pearl Harbor on anniversary of 1st state to ratify U.S. Constitution
    Marshall Plan > Berlin blockade & Korean War
    French Indochina became > NO VIETnam, SO VIETman, Laos (chaos), Cambodia
    JFK / MLK / RFK assassinated. SO. VIETNAM escalated after JFK & Cuba missle.
    Gulf of Tonkin
    Granada Airfield invaded (former US Allie)
    CIA supported BIN LADEN & friends in AFGHANISTAN vs Russia
    COLD WAR ENDS. USA needs NEW MISSION / NEW ENEMIES

    Panama canal invaded (former US Allie) Why not COLUMBIA?
    1993 WTC Bomb – – – – – blind Sheik + (former US Allie)
    Japan Subway poison – blind Sheik + (former US Allie)
    Saddam invaded Kuwait = Gulf War # 1
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Former Yugoslavia (we protect Moslems) > Boznia/Herzgovia/??
    Ethiopia / Somalia

    Yugoslavia (former Empire) assassination was the cause of WW I
    Ethiopia was a preliminary of WW II
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    In 1950s UK & USA overthrew democratic elected in IRAN (Non Moslem)
    Since then the USA has been very actively involved in IRAN – IRAQ,
    while benefits of OIL PRICE are USA, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and O.P.E.C.
    (ALL former colonies or protectorates = easy to place puppets)

    STANDARD OIL TRUST was (is) a CONSPRIACY / MONOPOLY
    (created the Sherman Anti Trust Act)
    TEXAS RAIL ROAD COMMISSION was a CONSPIRACY
    O.P.E.C. is a CONSPIRACY

    W. Averill Harriman was:
    1) Son of Prime Standard Oil Trust Conspirator > Ed Harriman

    2) Went to YALE. Member of Skull and Bones.

    3) FDR Ambassador to STALIN’S Russia.
    A) KEY Insider on FDR/STALIN/ChurchILL meetings.
    B) KEY insider from Standard Oil Trust to Russia and U. S. Military
    C) KEY insider to INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, which post DEPRESSION worked to
    fill Military needs to win WW II
    D) KEY insider to the SCIENTIFIC ELITE, like the MANHATTAN PROJECT, which
    originated from ROCKEFELLER University of Chicago, home of the STRAUSS /
    BLOOM GAY intellectual neo conservative pro Zionist quasi mafia, whose policies
    guarantee turmoil between Palestinians and supporters vs. Israel

    4) Partner to Prescott Bush (Went to YALE. Member of Skull and Bones.)
    of Wall Street Bank Brown Brothers Harriman, which Percy Rockefeller
    had been on Board of Directors.
    A) Son G H W Bush
    … 1. Went to YALE. Member of Skull and Bones.
    … 2. WW II Army airman. Supposedly shot down by Japanese (saves face for
    them) and conveniently parachutes right next to a submarine?
    … 3. Worked Oil Industry. Named son Neil Mallon Bush for Dresser President
    Neil Mallon (Went to YALE. Member of Skull and Bones.)
    … 4. Congressman
    … 5. UN Ambassador
    … 6. Ambassador to China
    … 7. Head of C.I.A.
    … 8. Member of the TRI-LATERAL COMMISSION (amagram > TRIAL LATER)
    created by David Rockefeller, Grandson of J. D. Rockefeller and brother
    to UNELECTED V. P. Nelson Rockefeller, who was V. P. to UNELECTED
    GERALD FORD, President and member of the non credible WARREN Commission.
    … 9. V. P. to Reagan, an F.B.I. informant and owned by GE
    SOVIET Union supposedly surrenders to Reagan / Bush on 200th Anniversary
    of U. S. Constitution INITIALLY RATIFIED
    and 40th Anniversary of creation of the C. I. A.
    … 10. President 1 term, after 8 years in White House
    … 11. Brother to Prescott Bush Jr. Head of U. S.A. Chamber of Commerce to
    China, where “”the Company” store” Wal-mart is the Distribution Center for China
    in a state where a Rockefeller was Governor and Clinton was Governor.
    Married to (allegedly courtesan) Pamela Digby Churchill who was married.
    …. 12. Father of W, JEB, Neil Mallon, others. Related to Tammany Hall.
    to Winston’s son and purportedly a confidant of Winston’s. This gave “W”
    insider information
    A) From Stalin to FDR
    B) From FDR to Stalin
    C) From Churchill
    D) To the Rockefellers, Bush/Walkers, George Shultz
    (grandpa was STO Treasurer),

    4) W. Averill was D-NY Governor.
    A) about the time Prescott was appointed to CT. Senator.
    B) Tammany Hall Carmine DeSapio was credited with helping Harriman to
    be elected Governor of NY.
    C) “W” father Ed was partner to J. D. Rockefeller, grandfather to David (Bank)
    & Nelson, who became R-NY Governor
    (Helped by Jerry Finkelstein (purport Tammany Hall) / CIA / DOD?)

    5) W. Averill was Negotiator with NO. VIETnam for peace talks.
    A) NO. VIETnam = Russian client
    B) USA won militarily in SO. VIETman, but walked out POLITICALLY.

    6) W. Averill was YALE SKULL & BONES as were the WISE MEN, including KEENAN
    whose LONG WIRE (Telegram) is the basis for Military containment of Russia by
    being active along the borders of Russia: hmmm?

    A) Berlin blockade / airlift > Warsaw pact = Marshall Plan rebuilt W. Europe
    B) Korea > Japan = Marshall Plan rebuilt Japan / Korea / Pacific Rim
    > = Marshall Plan rebuilt USA economy > Ever heard of VOODOO ECONOMICS?

    C) ISRAEL was created and protected, in part because it is an easy way to stir
    the pot of JEWS & Evangelical vs. Islam, which refocused the CATHOLIC vs ISLAM Crusades and historical abuses

    D) Taiwan > DRUG TRAFFIC – Reverse effect of English – China opium Wars and most
    of Skull & Bones families Wealth came from Clipper Ship running Slave & Drugs.

    E) Indochina > French Failures invited USA involvement with Korean War as proof
    of potential danger of SOVIET WORLD DO – MI – NATION
    Hmmmm > France exported
    > UK NORMAN ROYAL FAMILIES;
    > V I LEnin to Russia
    > HO CHI MIN to NO. VIETnam
    > Ayatollah Khomeini to IRAN

    F) INDIA & PAKISTAN were carved from UK Colonies.

    G) UK & USSP lost in AFGHANISTAN.
    USA won in AFGHANISTAN in 2001 – 2002.
    Allowed AL QAEDA to regroup, perpetuating WAR & MISSION = OIL price.

    H) DULLES Brothers (Rockefeller cousins) & UK / USA intelligence overthrew
    Iran elected officials in 1950s, setting up the Shah.

    Check biographies of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Shultz, Powell, & rice = DOD & State
    Departments, which set foreign policy, accessing entire intelligence Community.

    1 – Iran / Iraq war in 1970s, pumped up OIL prices.
    2 – Iran Contra
    3 – Iraq – Kuwait invasion
    4 – Iraq – post 9/11 invasion

    I) Turkey’s Empire controlled much of the Arab countries and lost them in WW I,
    to becoming British protectorates. This gave the Brits a couple of decades to
    inventory assets of the protectorates, before they would turn them over to U. S.
    / U.S.S.R. “Cold War.”

    J) A bunch of other counties had WARS
    1. whereas NO WARS happened between NATO & WARSAW
    2. USA allowed Russia to crush Hungary.
    3. NO WORLD WAR happened after Boznia / Ethiopia/Somalia.
    NO OIL = NO TROOPS?

    Jeze – I could continue about very connectible DOTS, but I know NO ONE believes
    that there are ANY CONSPIRACIES in the WORLD including the possibility that AFTER
    WW II, every country in the world was under DIRECT control of USA / SO VIETS and
    INDIRECTLY under BRITISH (Common Wealth) and Spanish/Portuguese submerged
    EMPIRES, which CONTROL the USA & SOVIETS.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “But then you stray into the realm of conspiracies, anagrams and mysterious statements.”

    Anagrams and code are how the Military (DOD) & Diplomats (STATE) communicate
    to hide discover of actions from enemies.

    According to LEO STRAUSS (Univ. Chicago) artists hid their real intent within their
    Art, such as pretending to praise DICTATORS when it was intended to EXPOSE?

    The C. I. A. studies Tapestries and works of ART to understand what leaders of
    other cultures have imprinted on their subconscious, upon which they would
    predicate Diplomacy, War, Crime, Business, Finance, Education, etc.

    However, all of us MIRROR IMAGE what we read, and project it into our basic
    believe structures. Such is why:

    1) Popes/Priests – Rabbis – Ministers and true believer can reader the bible / torah
    etc and take lessons of PEACE and CONSTRUCTION.

    2) WAR LORDS, MILITARY, and CONN MEN read the same text, and base their ACTs
    of WAR/CRIME and DESTRUCTION.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “mysterious statements.”

    1) If I do NOT have all of the FACTS at my disposal, how could I explain everything?

    2) Only G-D knows everything

    3) MYSTERY helps to create interest and followings.

    4) HIS TORY are lies about the past written by scribes on the behalf of patrons.

    5) LOW STORY are the untold truths about the majority of humanity.

    6) MY STORY is inconsequential.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “If you actually had a plan to fix it…you might end up as mayor.”

    1) This concept / statement assumes I had a desire to be Mayor?

    2) This concept / statement assumes I do not have a PLAN?
    > Like Indiana Jones, I have to react to realities and improvise.
    Except the actors are NOT dynamic, attractive, or heroic.

    3) This blog and the Play Write’s blog gives me a chance to use others
    as sounding boards, while I can educate people of good will and less
    than good will, who can use me for a sounding board.
    A) Jeze has been most responsive.
    B) Mike Reynolds has been able to articulate far better than initially.
    C) PCS, FOS, On Target and others have LEGAL expertise.
    D) Play write and hand were the most open minded.
    E) Cyclops and some others have inside connections.

    4) My objective is to protect family, friends, the innocent and myself.
    By learning the process at a local level and connections to the State
    Level, which MIKE REYNOLDS (of all people) can attest to the working
    relationships of various forms of local and state law enforcement
    and their relationships to the POLITICAL PARTIES
    and their relationships to the State’s Prosecutors / Judges / Trial Lawyers
    and their relationships to the FEDERAL Justice / FBI / JUDGES
    and their relationships to the ELECTED who appoint them.

    Is this a conspiracy or an analogous process in which conspiracies can
    occur or MAY NEVER occur?

    NO ONE in the LAW Community, especially with good self image and self
    respect could conceive of the LEGAL (political justice) SYSTEM as
    Conspirators.

    In the book the Rockefeller Syndrome, the “TERM COURT HOUSE GANG”
    was used as a reflection on the Judges / Lawyers / Ranking Staff.
    It indicates, all of them KNOW exactly what is going on in their geographic
    areas, including which politicians are connected to whom ….

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    mysterious statements?

    Some of my PLAIN, CLEAR, and EVIDENT statements are not found credible.
    Please look up the term “MIRROR IMAGING.”

  32. 32 freedomofspeach

    1george1

    Sorry pal, this is going to hurt, but I have to say it is getting to the point I just don’t waste any time on any topic that you post on, as soon as you post I don’t read another one. It just ends my desire to comment on the factual points that were posted before you started your rant.

    The last one, although clearly contains some sort of thought process on your part, makes no sense whatsoever on the topic (s) here.

    I don’t care about your conspiracy theory about Yale contacts, Skull and Bones, the Bushes, the Bakers, or the Candlestick Makers. It is not relevant to the topic of the town of Stratford CT. Although you sometimes have great and articulate ideas, these rants discredit you as someone who needs medication to keep focused and on point.

    The fact is if you attend any college or belong to any organization, you make contacts, some last a lifetime. Some use them for power, some use them for public service. If you’re from a wealthy family, attend a good school, make friends, then in your lifetime you will work with your friends professionally and make money, they will refer you for jobs, and try and push work or opportunities your way. Why would you not want to work with a fraternity brother who you sat in economics class for two years with? It is working with those in your social circle to get ahead.

    What does any of this have to do with the problems of an uncontrolled Mayor, an out of control budget, no bid contracts to former legislators, a gelded TC, graft, corruption and nepotism, in Stratford? How does the Trilateral Commission fit into the fact that Miron ran off a bunch of employees? How does that fit into the very simple fact that he spent $500,000 on his office renovation?

    I don’t need a reply, as I won’t understand it anyway and won’t waste my time trying to read it.

    And George you forgot the Free Masons in your rant, unless I missed it, but got in the Warren Commission.

    Mah Ha Bone

  33. 33 1george1

    FOS,

    I shall limit myself to 2 of your paragraphs in which what you accept as SOP,
    is what I believe is exactly wrong with Stratford, CT., USA, Legal Profession,
    and the CLASS society which you raise.

    You position would coincide with the basis for Marxist theory as to the ills of Capitalism.

    Total 2 paragraphs, then picked apart ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The fact is if you attend any college or belong to any organization, you make contacts, some last a lifetime. Some use them for power, some use them for public service. If you’re from a wealthy family, attend a good school, make friends, then in your lifetime you will work with your friends professionally and make money, they will refer you for jobs, and try and push work or opportunities your way. Why would you not want to work with a fraternity brother who you sat in economics class for two years with? It is working with those in your social circle to get ahead.

    What does any of this have to do with the problems of an uncontrolled Mayor, an out of control budget, no bid contracts to former legislators, a gelded TC, graft, corruption and nepotism, in Stratford? How does the Trilateral Commission fit into the fact that Miron ran off a bunch of employees? How does that fit into the very simple fact that he spent $500,000 on his office renovation?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The fact is if you attend any college or belong to any organization,
    you make contacts,
    some last a lifetime.
    Some use them for power,
    some use them for public service.

    1. This reads like SOCIAL & CAREER POLITICS
    2. “USE” PEOPLE
    3. “Public Service” Coud those in a career of Public Service abuse their
    contacts for POWER and MONEY, which appears to be what you claim
    to be against, but how you live your life?

    If you’re from a wealthy family,
    attend a good school,
    make friends,

    1. Belong to the same EX-CLUSIVE COUNTRY CLUB?
    2. Live in cloistered upscale ghettos or Mansions?
    3. Use Zoning as a form of A PART HIDE?

    then.. you … work with your friends
    professionally and make money,

    1. INSIDER TRADING? Stock Tips?
    2. CUT DEALS to exclude peoples’ RIGHTS, for self benefit?
    3. LOBBY against people who can’t afford their own lobby?

    they will refer you for jobs,
    and try and push work or opportunities your way.

    1. Meritocracy?
    2. Isn’t this like what everyone fussed about with Christian Miron?
    LoSchiavo family?
    3. Pension computations? Unreal Benefits
    4. Jobs to from Sikorsky to Police / Fire / P W
    5. Barnhart to Fairfield / Feeney to Bridgeport / Branyan to BoE
    / others to BoE

    Why would you not want to work with a fraternity brother

    1. Phi Slamma Jamma?
    2. KKK = White robes, Judges = Black robes
    3. what is the difference between OMERTA, BLUE WALL, and the closed
    community of the LEGAL PROFESSION, to abridge INALIENABLE?

    who you sat in economics class for two years with?

    1. Economics > BALZAC: “All great FORTUNES come from GREAT CRIMES.”
    A) Mafia CASH COWS
    B) War
    C) Industry / Labor
    D) Crime / Drugs
    E) Finance

    It is working with those in your social circle to get ahead.

    1. SOCIAL CIRCLE?
    reads exclusionary
    2. GET AHEAD?
    reads sweetheart deals like C. E. O.s / Developers
    3. WORKING WITH THOSE
    reads, what is that word if illegal….? c o n s p i r a c y ?

    ———————-

    What does any of this have to do with the problems of an
    uncontrolled Mayor,

    1. What if he has a control agent or handling agent and he is playing a
    role like haddad played a role?
    2. Could he get his position without party support at area and state levels?

    an out of control budget,

    1. What if the object is to cause problems, to create “CONTROLLED” changes?
    2. Does a lawyer ever ask a question which he can not CONTROL the answer?

    no bid contracts to former legislators,

    1. For Instance, FOS?
    2. Is this a STRATFORD or STATE or other town/city reference?

    a gelded TC,

    1. If you owned a race track for Donkeys, do you care which -ss wins?
    2. If some or all of the T C have JOBS and BUSINESS from
    “social circle to get ahead”
    “then.. you … work with your friends professionally (politically) and make money,”
    “from a wealthy family, attend a good school, make friends,”

    graft, corruption and nepotism,

    “social circle to get ahead”
    “then.. you … work with your friends professionally (politically) and make money,”
    “from a wealthy family, attend a good school, make friends,”

    in Stratford?

    How does the Trilateral Commission (see below) fit into the fact that
    Miron ran off a bunch of employees?

    Miron is titular. I have seen the M. O. in Going Postal environment.
    Same War college which controls Trilateral Commission has slaves in
    the chain of command using “handling agents” and “control agents”
    for political “War Games.”
    Stratford Town Hall & USPS Southport = exact same M. O. & sadists.

    How does that fit into the very simple fact that he spent $500,000
    on his office renovation?

    Hey if it helps him get started in a new career of interior decorating,
    there are some people who will not miss him.
    Actually the colors on the walls are an improvement.
    The reorganization of the offices are logical.
    The windows in the doors, swing both ways as far as transparency.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Trilateral Commission & Intelligence Community Connections:

    Former Town Councilor Blake to me he was a speach writer for THE
    DAVID ROCKEFELLER, creator of the Trilateral Commission.
    > I believe Councilman Blake was on the Town Council which created
    the C.R.C. # 1, which created the Mayor position.

    It is extremely likely former Stratford Ethics Commissioner O’Sullivan,
    was C. I. A. Defense and State Departments craft foreign policy.
    O’Sullivan served in WW II. He went to the WAR COLLEGE after WW II.
    He went into the State Dept. He served in the Belgium Congo, when
    C. I. A. was actively involved there in the late 1950s / early 1960s.
    Just as KGB use diplomatic covers in embassays, CIA history admits that
    at least a few people stationed in Embassies are CIA.

    Ex-President / V. P. / C.I.A. Head / UN Ambassidor / China Embassidor
    G H W Bush had his first job selling ASHCROFT BRAND for DRESSER
    INDUSTRIES, which is a TOP 10 town Tax payer.
    G H W Bush was a member of the Trilateral Commission as was George
    Shultz and Cheney (unsure)

    Cheney was C.E.O. of Halliburton in late 1990s which OWNED Dresser.
    even if Cheney was never Trilateral, he sure, like FOS:

    “The fact is if you attend any college or belong to any organization,
    you make contacts,
    some last a lifetime.
    Some use them for power,
    some use them for public service.”

    “professionally and make money, they will refer you for jobs, and try and
    push work or opportunities your way.”

    “It is working with those in your social circle to get ahead.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thank you FOS, for proving my point
    that there is a systemic problem where
    the abusers of Trust and Profit in Stratford

    use many of the same techniques you find acceptable,
    when it is NOT you OX which is GORED!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Oh, a branch of the Rockefeller married into the Baird family.
    I wonder about U. S. Baird?
    Probably another coincidence in that it is just up the road from Dresser?

  34. 34 1george1

    Oh FOS,

    I know I am not in your CLASS.
    I am not an advocate of Marxist theory either.

    However, as Jeze has blogged, I do post accurate facts, which are verifiable.

    To my knowledge, I am the ONLY one on this blog who has corrected me?
    I do make honest mistakes and typos.
    Sometimes it takes a while to pick up on misdirection.

    FREEDOMOFSPEECH:
    I TRIPLE DARE YOU to FIND a ERROR in my FACTS.
    I will conceed, we shall differ on many conclusions.

    We do NOT have MIRROR IMAGE experiences or BELIEFS

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    (some) Mirror Imaging defined:

    …. Mirror imaging, or assuming the other side
    thinks the same ways as you think, …

    Axioms consider professional judgments; aggressive posture;
    mistaken versus wrong; mirror imaging; dissemination;
    coordination; agreement among peers; …

    Mirror Imaging is a unique e-book that describes in detail the way
    the Central Intelligence Agency thinks and operates;
    its espionage psychology. (I did NOT believe the excerpt.)

  35. 35 jezebel282

    George?

    I rest my case..

  36. 36 1george1

    Jeze,
    I know not of your case. Not seen other strings, yet.
    However, FOS asked questions. I responded


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