Lordship Homes On Sale Now! Cheap!

19Sep08

You read it in the Post:

Airport ownership options down to three
Miron, Finch hope deal can be made
By ROB VARNON
Staff writer
Article Last Updated: 09/19/2008 12:27:03 AM EDT

STRATFORD — The mayors of Bridgeport and Stratford said Thursday they have narrowed the field of ideas about the future ownership of Sikorsky Memorial Airport to three possibilities.

Basking in the glow of Thursday’s ground breaking for a privately funded $27 million upgrade to the Bridgeport-owned airport, which is in Stratford, the mayors were optimistic a final resolution to the ownership can be worked out.

Stratford Mayor James r. Miron, who spoke at the event first, drew laughs when he gave way at the podium to Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch saying, “Let me introduce the current owner of the airport … We are trying feverishly to change that.”

Finch responded: “The good news is the price just went up,” referring to airport tenant Volo Aviation’s addition of more than 100,000 square feet of space, which will include replacing the old terminal. Volo, an aircraft management and charter service, is also adding three new hangars and two office buildings.

Despite the jocular nature of their public comments, both mayors said they are serious about changing the ownership, but no firm deals have been made.

The ownership scenarios include selling the airport to Stratford, selling part of the airport to Stratford to give the town an equal stake in the facility or having some sort of regional ownership.

“We’re ready to go,” said Miron. He began discussions about a sale in 2006 with former Bridgeport Mayor John M. Fabrizi, but no deal was made; Finch won the office in 2007.

Bridgeport has owned the airport for more than 60 years; Stratford has had little say in its operation and has not derived tax revenue from the more than 700 acres off Main Street during that time.

Miron said he’s so serious about a deal, his town has contacted a Texas firm that specializes in assessing airport land values and is willing to hire the firm if Bridgeport agrees to cover part of the expense. The firm would determine what price Stratford would pay to buy all or part of the airport.

Stratford has not signed a contract with the Texas firm, Miron said, but one would be ready to go as soon as Bridgeport agrees to move on a purchase. The Stratford Mayor said if his town bought the airport, it would hire a firm to run it, not create a new department.

Finch said he was considering all three options, but “it is likely the burden will fall on our two towns’ shoulders.”

Volo Aviation President Thom Harrow said during the ceremony his lawyers assured him, no matter who owns the airport, “our ground lease is still good.”

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55 Responses to “Lordship Homes On Sale Now! Cheap!”

  1. 1 jezebel282

    What did I miss? Is there a Stratford plan for operating an airport? We can’t even operate a train station. And money from the things that actually generate revenue (Short Beach & Parking fees) disappear year after year.

  2. SELL! SELL! SELL!

  3. 3 jezebel282

    Cyclops,

    Maybe we can turn Lordship into a community for the hearing impaired?

  4. 4 sudds

    Umm Jez… it’s Stratford… 97+% of our population is probably hearing impaired!!!

    Not to be rude… it’s just something that tends to happen when people hit age 125!!!

  5. 5 1george1

    As blogged numberous times, the AIRPORT PURCHASE has been on the
    TOWN COUNCIL AGENDA for close to 2 years, which GAVIN can attest.

    About 5 months ago, it was taken off the TABLE and discussed in EXECUTIVE
    SESSION, which GAVIN can confirm, without giving details.

    7 years ago, Dick Miron made a rare appearance to the Town Council Public
    Forum, suggesting the Purchase of the Sikorsky Airport, 2 months after some
    other guy, belittled by bloggers, suggested saem to the Town Council.
    > Any guess where Democrats get their ideas, which they perversify?

    Bloggers are so intent and narrow focused, they do NOT understand who,
    what, when, where, why, and how.

    I am still waiting for bloggers to suggest ways to help the elderly or to
    bring down taxes.

    or anything that is in theINTEREST of the GENERAL PUBLIC and not just
    a POLICE or TOWN HALL or North End interest.

    I ain’t holdin my breath.

  6. 6 jezebel282

    George,

    Thanks for the compliments.

    Nothing motivates people like being insulted.

    “I am still waiting for bloggers to suggest ways to help the elderly or to
    bring down taxes.”

    George, how many seniors do you take care of? I take care of two. Personally and every day. So don’t take this personally when I say…”Bite me.”

  7. 7 officersean

    It would be a good idea to actually OWN an airport that is situated in your own community.

  8. 8 1george1

    Jeze:
    “George, how many seniors do you take care of? I take care of two.
    Personally and every day.
    So don’t take this personally when I say…”Bite me.””

    George:
    I respectfully decline the offer to give you painful pleasure for
    a variety of reasons.

    My mom died in 1961.
    My dad dies in 1976.
    All grand parents are deceased.

    While you can be proud of taking care of your loved ones,
    what has this blog ever done or even talked about regarding
    1. helping senior citizens?
    2. lowering taxes?
    3. actually improving economic base?
    4. improving education for the children and not for teachers & staff?

    The focus of this website has been
    1) a politically controlled Town Charter and Revision Commission aimed
    at POLICE STATE POWERS.
    2) gripin at Miron / Burturla & visa versa about whose abuses are worse?
    Them or the old guard?
    3) pointin out the petty theivery of the inner party.
    4) railing at those who disagree or editing them for pointing out the systemic
    situations, which CAN HURT YOU!

    I suspect some of you know who Thomas Friedman is, and have read him.
    Google: “The world is flat” “Longitudes and Latitudes” more

    I suspect NONE of you know who Kevin Phillips is or have read him.
    Google: “Bad Money” “American Theocracy” “Boiling Point” “Cousins Wars”

    I suspect some of you know who J. K. Galbraith is, and have NOT read him.
    Google: “Emancipation of Belief” – “The Planning System”

    If you read things like “the Robber Barons” “Rockefeller Syndrome” and other
    books rather than police manuals, you might see you are supporting people
    who will kill your children and grandchildren.

  9. 9 1george1

    Within the top of the pyramid and upper echelons are people –

    Beyond Good and Evil. T


    …edited by Jezebel for relevence….

    I will be editted for relevance. (You are correct, George.)

    Yet this is what YOUR ENEMIES STUDIED and BELIEVE!

  10. 10 1george1

    It was been predominently Republicans on the first Charter Revision,
    which created a MAYOR position, AFTER a certain person became
    the REGISTRAR.

    The REGISTRAR(s) oversee the counting of VOTES.

    The second Charter Revision officially had 3 Republicans, 3 Democrats,
    and 3 Independents. Yet all were appointed by a predominently Republican
    Town Council. (Gavin was formerly a Republican)

    There will be 4 Charter related Referendum questions which will be voted
    upon the Novemeber.
    Will it counted by people under the direction of someone under INDICTMENT
    or whatever it is called?
    (Allegedly committed something like FRAUD for taking money and not …..)

    As Fredette has been known to say: “Hey….this IS Stratford!”
    Not to pick on Fredette.

    So as not to pick on Fredette, but Proto has been known to say:
    “I have NO dog in the HUNT.”

    So as not to pick on Fredette or Proto, but Jim Miron has been known to say:
    “I AM THE MAYOR!”
    “The Administration this …..” “The Administration that….”

    I left a series of quotes for MACHIAVELLI, because he is studied by political
    science students, who go on to become LAWYERS….

    If one reviews what LAWYERS and POLITICIANS studies,
    YOU
    can better understand the

    COUNTER INTUITIVE NATURE of SOUL – LESS people, who are embedded
    among the good people in Government.

  11. 11 genericscreename

    Et al:

    Please consider the following perspective relative to some of the items mentioned in the blog(s) above:

    1. Stratford has the highest percentage of senior citizens with in its town in the State of Connecticut.
    2. Stratford has “no open space land” so to speak for development left, therefore all Stratford realistically can do is “re-develop”

    1A. Having the majority of Seniors living with in our town who ( for the majority) have their taxes frozen, limits the tax revenue which can be drawn to our general fund each year. Now with all we spend on social welfare programs, ( frozen tax roles, food programs, Baldwin center programs, etc,) consider that expense as a percentage to our overall budget and you will see that it is considerable. I am in no way suggesting that we eliminate, modify or do anything which will impact our senior citizens, just pointing out a fact here.

    2A. Areas which are ripe for redevelopment:
    a. SAEP
    b. Remington Woods
    c. Airport and surrounding open land
    d. Stratford Land Development holdings in Lordship
    e. Shakespear
    f. Colonial Catering property
    g. The various contaminated locations, Raybestos Field, Contract Plating etc.

    OK, now let be specific:
    A. SAEP
    Forget ” who promised what, who said what and who didnt do what”. The reality is this. We have 77 acres of contaminated land and buildings which were contaminated by United States government contractors in the manufacturing of defense related machinery and equipment over a 50 year time frame. Until the Pentagon or the EPA provides sufficient funding to clean up a mess which they created, no developer will be able to make this location a viable tax provider to the town of Stratford. The property is riddled with Chromium, lead, PCB’s heavy Metals ( Radiation), and a variety of solvents all subsurface and migrating closer to our ground water. This is fact, not fiction. No one considers or even discusses how many Stratford residents were employed there over those 50 or so years and how much it helped our local economy. All we hear about is that nothing is happening. Now who ( as I have mentioned in earlier post’s will get those in congress, the senate or even higher to get Washington to step up and take responsibility or even those who were the contractors running the operations to financially assist in cleaning the mess)?

    B. Remington Woods:

    Ok, they have approvals, although limited, they have them, they are seeking tax credits and have attempted to partner with Robert Scinto. The contaminated that property once again in the manufacture of defense related ammunition. They are cleaning it up at their own expense, slowly but it is 90% complete for both the Stratford and Bridgeport parcels. They have been unable to secure the necessary funding for the overal plan, which if in fact it takes hold will generate approximately 14 million a year is tax revenue to both Stratford and Bridgeport. Time frame? six to ten years from now and no sooner. Nothing can be done to expedite that in todays current global fiscal crisis.

    C. Airport and Surrounding Land:

    Forget about noise levels and protected wildlife for a just brief moment.
    Fact:
    There is an airport which has the ability to be expanded.
    There is an airport which the Town of Stratford can own.
    There is substantial space surrounding the airport which can be developed.
    The town has extened special tax incentives to Volo Aviation, ( as I had mentioned a week or so ago in a prior post) which will allow for 90,000 SF of development with private funds and generate tax revenue to our town, not Bridgeport.
    Expansion of the airport will enhance overall property values, depress some values and force change. That change in the long run will be beneficial to the overal town in the tax revenue which it generates. ( I will not go into depth, as I posted those benefits a week or so ago, and if the Webmaster cares to cut and paste them, so be it)

    D: Stratford Land Development Holdings:

    As I have posted earlier, the construction of 500K units will not draw additional children into the school system, as 3000 sf homes in the 8th and 8th district cost that much and anyone with kids who is in a position to purchase would buy a house instead. The point I am making however is we have a viable developer who wanted to develop land in town and that developer was stopped. who lost? The town of Stratford did.

    E. Shakespear Theater:

    Ok, this dog and pony show has been ongoing for 15 years. We are now onto our third potential developer. Has anyone truly listened to the facts?, the facts are published. Theaters do not make any money, they loose money unless they are subsidized. We can have all the promises, projections and ideas, but the reality is, unless the venue is designed and operated in more of the sense of a corporate business conference center, there NEVER will be enough revenue generated to make the location profitable. That is fact.

    F.Colonial Catering Property:

    The town has spent almost six hundred thousand dollars in legal fee’s fighting this development. Where did the 600K come from? our tax base thats where. We are fighting the classic “NIMBY” ( not in my back yard) syndrom. We have a viable parcel of land and private money wants to develop it, and we are fighting it.

    G. Rabestos Field, Contract Plating:

    Two perfectly located parcel of land which are connected to each other that can be huge tax revenue generators for this town. Nothing is happening because this time they are contaminated by “PRIVATE” industry who has walked away from its obligations. Where are the lawyers? ( we know we cant touch them, thats why we have done nothing) but again, will we get the government to step in and bail Stratford out?, I doubt it.

    Conclusions:

    Stratford today is experiencing the fall out of what at one time was a war economy. We made our living via the defense department, and light manufacturing. The majority of the people who were living in Lordship and the south end in the 40’s,50’s,60’s and early 70’s worked at AVCO and Sikorsky and made a decent living. The balance of the blue collar group lived elsewhere and the management (white colar) lived in the northern sections of town and elsewhere.

    The public is complaining that our taxes are high, our services are low and that we need reform, we need something other than what we have in order to reduce taxes and improve the quality of our town. But lets face it, I have just listed six instances plus a senior citizen contingent which all affect our tax base. Every time someone wants to develop what is left we complain and say no.

    This town is dying slowly. We are forcing ourselves into a corner, and no one has a viable solution. I have just presented some facts, yet when the news paper reporters write a story, or the public complains, no one wants to acknowledge fact.

    So, lets cut through all the politics and look at what we have, and people it scares me. We are dumping 5 to 7 million a year into our pension fund because politics. Ten or so years ago, the councils decided to keep taxes artificially low and used the dividend income realized by the pension funds to fund portions of our general fund. Yes the taxes were low, but as a result we screwed ourselves by underfunding the pension fund. Even at todays current 5 to 7 million a year, by 2020 the pension fund will not be at 100 percent funded.

    Combine that with a fixed senior citizen base whose taxes are frozen, contaminated waste ruining any economic development of prime parcels of realestate, a clear lack of understanding by the general public of how serious this situation is and what do we have left?

    We have a dying town. One that is slowly destroying itself from within. Those who complain are the same ones who are un willing to accept change, yet want answers and when provided to them still complain.

    We need to accept that in order for Stratford to be prosperous again we are going to have to change, make some serious advances and live with the result. We cant have it both ways. Want lower taxes?, then re-develop the south end, the airport and get the government to step in and fund the clean ups. Yes people will not be happy, so let them move, progress causes pain, but progress is what we need.

  12. 12 jezebel282

    Generic,

    Nice post. I agree with you on most of it.

    A) SAEP. “The property is riddled with Chromium, lead, PCB’s heavy Metals ( Radiation), and a variety of solvents all subsurface and migrating closer to our ground water. This is fact, not fiction.”

    This was known 15 years ago when Jim Neale headed the Local Reuse Authority. It is no doubt a brownfield. It does have the saving grace of being located on some of the most beautiful property available from NYC to Boston. I haven’t given up hope on that one yet.

    B) Remington Woods. At least it’s moving.

    C. Airport and Surrounding Land: “Expansion of the airport will enhance overall property values, depress some values and force change.” Here I must strongly disagree. Change for the sake of change is usually not a good idea. Once again, with the cost of Jet A at $130/barrel, no airline is going to be leaping at the chance to land in Bridgeport. Secondly, you are suggesting, once again, to turn everything south of Birdseye into a giant commercial/industrial zone. Thirdly, Sikorksy Airport is not alone in the market. New Haven is a mere 16 air miles away. Bradley 62 miles and LGA 67 miles. In fact, New Haven has a very nice harbor and distribution infrastructure all set and ready to go. I just don’t buy your argument. It doesn’t make economic and market sense.

    D: Stratford Land Development Holdings: Could they not have overcome this with a restriction on the age of residents?

    E. Shakespear Theater: I agree with you 100%

    F.Colonial Catering Property: “The town has spent almost six hundred thousand dollars in legal fee’s fighting this development”. You have to admit, that is what Stratford does best; pay attorneys.

    G. Rabestos Field, Contract Plating: I would say after this week and the largest bailout in history, we’d be lucky if the Feds even answer the phone.

  13. 13 genericscreename

    Jeze,
    With respect to item “C”, It was meant in the context of developing our town in some economic fashon which will stimulate growth, generate taxes and improve the financial position of the overall town. In my recent argument i posed to the concept of a created set of distribution hubs for FEDEX, UPS, DHL etc, concurrent with a plan which had already been approved and not executed for a FBO on the airport for commerical jet maintenance.

    However the basic premise remaims the same, How do we stimulate economic growth in Stratford. The only way we can do such a thing is to “Create a Market” by defining our strengths, expanding our resources and creating economic change. There is no way we can be a Mystic, Newport, Quincy Market or other main tourest destination. We just do not have the infrastructure ( enough tourism related venues to warrent that type of direction) and as a result the town needs to re-thing its overal image and define what we want to be and implement change in that direction.

    I honestly believe that in our situation the “truth hurts” and the residents who are involved do not want to hear the reality of our situation and want to believe otherwise.

    Why is it that no persons, politician or otherwise has said what I am saying?, how long will it take the populace to wake up and understand how much trouble we are in economically in this town? What will it take to forment positive change? The facts speak for themselves and people just clearly do not want to see it and instead in my opinion focus on political issues to create controversy instead of focusing in on our real issues?

  14. 14 jezebel282

    Generic,

    “Why is it that no persons, politician or otherwise has said what I am saying?”

    Actually, many people have said it. Myself included.

    “how long will it take the populace to wake up and understand how much trouble we are in economically in this town?”

    Probably as long as it takes for our leadership to stop lying to us. According to Mayor Moron who just announced a budget surplus so thin you could read the NY Times through it, everything is hunky dory.

    “What will it take to forment positive change?”

    Real leadership and then a consensus.

    “people just clearly do not want to see it”

    People are people. Most everyone goes to work everyday and works hard. They come home after yet another grueling day, throw dinner together and try to relax so they can do it again the next day. Most people do not understand that the shenanigans that go on at 2725 Main Street (Town Hall) are directly responsible for their monthly mortgage payment. They just don’t understand the connection.

    And you are right, they do not want to see it. They don’t want to think that it took the whole year’s property taxes of 10 homes in Stratford to pay for Loschiavo’s teeth.

    “in my opinion focus on political issues to create controversy instead of focusing in on our real issues?”

    I certainly hope you are not referring to the people that post on this blog. Many, if not all of them are actively involved in making this town better.

  15. Generic ~

    I agree with much of your posting as well; however, I doubt you’ll get approval of many taxpayers of this town without the Town’s efforts to spend our tax dollars more frugally instead of the frivolous spending of the last few years (and longer).

    I kind of think Jeze said that or at least that’s what I took from her reference to the dental implants that cost the taxpayers a pretty penny. Miron would have everyone believe that our Town is doing just fine….it’s not, it hasn’t been for many years.

    You’re right – we need to focus on capitalizing on our Town’s assets – and, for better or worse, the airport is an asset to our area, but so is our waterfront. I’m not saying it can ever be a Mystic Seaport type location, but it’s part of Stratford and can be utilized. And, something needs to happen with SAEP, and fast!

    Every two years, however, we have a new Town Council (with that, comes a learning curve), and every four years, we’ll have a new Mayor (again, with that, a learning curve). Well, at least in the upcoming election, we know we’ll have a new Mayor because only the absolutely insane would vote to put Miron in again. Hopefully that person is already watching and taking it all in so he/she is up to speed.

  16. 16 1george1

    Generic,

    Great post about substantive properties for development/redevelopment.

    However you overlooked the biggest long term opportunity in town.
    Hint you were close.

    It was nice to read Jeze and PCS points of view. There are more issues than
    anyone realizes, once one starts to peal the onion of remediation sites.

    As I continually post, everything is on a timetable and set to be steered.
    Meanwhile, all of the delays allow for attorney and other billing, while the
    discreet bribery keeps adding up.

  17. 17 genericscreename

    Jeze,

    I was not referring to anyone relative to this post, I was making a general statement. Also if you close ( into the budget) check and see if in fact we have completed our bond payment issues from years back, that alone was going to free up close to five million a year which would then be most likely re-directed to other accounts, yet year end would appear to be a surplus. Just check on it, as I may have my time line wrong.

    There are a handfull of residents complaining, but only a handfull, just take for example the number of registered voters and the number who actually come out to vote in our elections? The ratios are close to the same apathy which has been prevalent nationwide in national presidential elections. 50% of the registered voters actually vote!!!!!

    I am sure all of you who read this blog have attended or viewed a town council public forum. It is the same group who comes out month in and month out to speak to the council. There are no new faces. I have been watching quietly from the sidelines for almost three years now. With the exception of Ed Hargus who is no longer on this earth, it is Mihaley, PYE (Marsha Stewart), Hank Chechetsu ( cant spell his name), Milt whatever his name is, Mcdonald, the other guy from lorship with the white hair and pony tail, etc…………..

    My point being where are the 20,30,40,50 somethings? There are no younger citizens coming forth to express thier concerns or opinions on a regular basis. Why is that? I have my thoughts on it, but I suspect that they are not what people expect me to say. I believe that they just simply do not care. Have no interest in local politics and just go with the flow.

    Another example which has been frustrating me is people always say we are “spending millions on excessive legal fee’s” I took notice to that and did some homework. What I discovered will suprise everyone who has not done some research. The town attornies fee’s are set by the council and lower than normal attorney billing rates. But what most people do not realize is that when the town settles a dispute, lawsuit etc, the cost of the settlement gets directly posted against the town atty. budget. Therefore if there is a settlement for an accident citizen vs town snow plow for 500K, the 500k gets posted to the atty. office. Next thing we know they have what appears to be an additional 500K added to their budget, when in fact it was settlement money, and not legal fee’s!!!

    Lets discuss our waterfront. I have been a resident for 20 years now, and ever since I moved here I have heard discussion about a boardwalk which will run from Shelton to Short Beach. 20 years?, where is it?,

    We have public access to our beaches and private beaches which as I recall, several years ago controversy erupted because those who lived in private homes claimed rights to the beach. In the end as I recall the high tide mark was considered property lines. I know if I were to purchase an oceanfront home, I would not want people walking through what I considered to be my back yard, but either way the point I am making is what more can we develop on our waterfront?

    Bridgeport has the PJ ferry. Can we open an access for another ferry? i dont think so.

    If we sell LBW, what will we gain?, just some short term cash. If we keep it, the tree huggers will never let us develop it. It is a catch 22.

    Can we construct more marina’s? possibly, but all we can hope for would be summertime economic stimulus to the marina’s and any related food venues.

    The center of town has over the last five years developed into a destination for dining. That is good, unfortunaltly no one has been successfull in getting the DOT to put a sound barrier along I-95 to dampen the noise. What do we do, for example to stimulate business in the Green?, when Starbucks wanted to come in, Zoning said NO, We now have a 7-11 and a Dunkin shortly, and couple places to eat. Pizza joint and what was once Copper tavern and a take out oriental food establishment.

    Where I am headed is the concept of creating destinations, which will create jobs.

    Take Boothe Park for example, a wonderfull place finally getting the attention it needs to save the buildings from further degeneration. Yet, from the outside we have the caretakers house which is all pretty, but uninhabitable. What is stopping ( for example) the Boothe Park Comission and the town from renovating the building and renting it out for special occassions?, taking the revenue from that and putting back into the park?, ( ergo, creating another destination)

    We have the only town owned forest in the State of Connecticut. Has anyone been up there lately? the 9th district councilmen over the last three or four councils should be hung. The place is a disaster. Just go look at it, and you will see what I mean. That place could be a huge destination, if only we cared enough about it to make it viable.

    We have nothing but opportunity, what we need are some progressive forward thinkers to get involved in politics and make things happen for the good of the town and not the “party”

    Tell me, what is our economic development commission doing?, it remindes me of when the developer wanted to build the new center on Hawley Lane ( economic stimulus, jobs, tax revenue right?), Jim Mihaley, the same idiot who complains about how are taxes are too high and we are doing nothing, led the fight to try and prevent the center from being developed. ( oh yeah, I forgot he is a Costello puppet too)

    This is a prime example of what I mean. I am open to all your suggestions.

  18. 18 1george1

    Generic is an astute observer.

    I agree with some of his post and disagree with some.

    Generic hits directly on such terms as
    ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
    POINT of DESTINATION
    TOURISM and SEASONAL opportunities
    BOOTHE PARK
    FORREST
    FERRY / MARINA – Use or commercialization of Waterfront
    WATERFRONT
    Broadwalk – What has Dave Killeen or Economic Development accomplished,
    under either/both parties?
    BOND PAYMENT
    ATTORNEY FEES (disagree – based on Comparatives)
    VOTER TURNOUT agree
    PUBLIC FORUM TURNOUT agree (Same OLD PEOPLE, including me)
    CENTER of TOWN = DINING

    Whether this is Jim Miron or a support or an opponent, this type of
    substantive post is exactly what I was looking for from:
    JON – GAVIN – JEZE – PCS – FOS – KANE – CYCLOPS – STAR – FAHAN
    FLOREK/OnTarget – MIKE R – Proto – Councilor readers – Laura – Dave
    Jim Miron – Kent/friends – Genuine – others

    Generic – I gotta give you props for actually having substantive issues
    and thoughts behind your positions, regardless of which I agree on and
    which I disagree with.
    And which the others do NOT DARE trying to argue, because then they
    would have to think and research (unlike JEZE, PCS, or even FOZ) rather
    than come up with childlike insults!

  19. 19 jezebel282

    Generic,

    Just a couple of comments.

    “I am sure all of you who read this blog have attended or viewed a town council public forum. It is the same group who comes out month in and month out to speak to the council. There are no new faces.”

    First and foremost, the Council has some serious credibility issues. Both the RTC and DTC have been duking it out for 20 years. Everything at council meetings seems to have been already decided.
    Secondly, I am fortunate enough to have a second home in another state and have gone to other town meetings. Same people over and over again. At these meetings throughout the country what you find are a lot of people with a lot of time on their hands. It is not unusual for that to happen here as well.

    “The town attornies fee’s are set by the council and lower than normal attorney billing rates. But what most people do not realize is that when the town settles a dispute, lawsuit etc, the cost of the settlement gets directly posted against the town atty. budget.”

    I had asked Councilman Forrester this same question. Apparently there is no win/lose/settle score we can look up. What we do know is that there is no limit set on the fees the Town Attorney or his law firm of Berchem Moses and Devlin can bill us.

    “What is stopping ( for example) the Boothe Park Comission and the town from renovating the building and renting it out for special occassions?, taking the revenue from that and putting back into the park?, ( ergo, creating another destination)”

    I would guess the same thing that prevents the Town from building a canopy at the RR station or reconstructing the greens at Short Beach. Both are “enterprise” accounts. They generate hundreds of thousands of dollars each in revenue year after year. But are those monies used to make those facilities better. No. Of course not. They are put right into the general fund to be squandered on blackberries, teeth, cars, lunches, trips.

    One thing I have learned is that this Town government is excruciatingly FRUSTRATING.

  20. 20 1george1

    I concur with Jeze’s above post.

  21. 21 freedomofspeach

    “The facts speak for themselves and people just clearly do not want to see it and instead in my opinion focus on political issues to create controversy instead of focusing in on our real issues?”

    Some very good points, presented in a clear concise manner. Thank you.

    Some thoughts on your posts.

    First, the problems that Stratford has are the same as Bridgeport. There are warring political factions set to have a scorched earth policy. If one has a piece of the pie, the others want the crumbs. It’s not good for the stakeholders, but a reality that has to be dealt with. It relates to giving the “vig” to the right person or party to get things done. By the time they split the spoils, there is nothing left. Avco is a perfect example. Political people got paid to maintain the property, a lot of money, so it was not a bad thing for everyone. Millions were billed, people got paid, while TS 1 did nothing, they could not; they were straw, looking for a flip. The theater was another, actors without checkbooks. What was he paid? $10,000 a month I heard.

    Without dealing with the political issues, nothing will move forward. It is a very real issue. And without leadership, there is no chance.

    IMHO, Stratford needs to have one destination spot. An anchor. It has to be a great venue. It needs to utilize the shore. How do you do that with the Mayor trying to give the largest tract away for a kiss and a promise, and the other (back to Avco) TS 3 is throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

    No one has a sound economic development policy or plan. Stratford can be a beautiful place (like Northport NY) with stores, restaurants, shopping, high end condos and townhouse. The problem is the only spots available are LBW and Avco. Protected birds, and toxic waste.

    A couple of thoughts and comments.

    First, there is technology to make acceptable sewage disposal at LBW, and the old law allowed reuse of septic systems, including in tidal zones, with a waiver and a good engineer. The DEP does not have full jurisdiction, its CTDPH. Did it for a few clients and was able to bypass the local health department. So hearing it can’t be developed makes me wonder who is planning what.

    Second, Avco. It’s the only undeveloped property that can be used as a destination spot. It would require an open mind, and a willing group of stakeholders. But Miron and the rest on both sides need to keep their hands out of everyone’s pockets. They (the pols) have taken many millions out of the tax stream and into their pockets keeping the thing dormant.

    Why would people and money come to Stratford? Taxes in the state are high, local taxes are a killer, they dont have any economic development incentives (other than talk to/pay my lawyer at BM&D) so without an anchor, stakeholder involvement with open minded development, and new leadership, its going to go the way of Bridgeport. How’s Steel Point working out?

    George has said in the past “licensing” of products. I have no idea what he wanted to license. He might have an idea that can be marketable. Just not sure what he means.

    As far as the ferry, its sort of a captive thing, it has to be approved on both ends, and like the cable TV, they don’t have two in the same area.

    But everyone must face the reality that manufacturing is dead in CT, and as soon as the balance sheet shows the remaining companies could work cheaper in another state, they will be gone. Stratford has to prepare for that. Stop being baby Bridgeport, and be the gateway to Fairfield County.

  22. 22 nnanerak

    Some very interesting posting by everyone on all the topics. I have spent several hours trying to confirm facts and implications from the various postings with regard to several topics. What I have been able to confirm as definately accurate has given me “pause” to the point I couldn’t comment because I was trying to wrap my head around the implications. 90%+ of what is previously posted is totally true.
    Whoever authorized 75K (or whatever the amount was)for caps for the deputy thief should be fired immediately. I have asked teachers, fireman, other cops, and some other town employees if they have that coverage. They said no. If council allows this, they too should all be fired. We can’t afford to fill pot holes and according to an town hall insider, I was told we have no money for snow removal because it was spent for the recent storm clean up, but we have money for caps/implants?????????? I think we should pop those implant/caps out and use them to fill a pot hole or 2. I’m sure we could sell ticket to the popping event and we would make enough $$$ to pay back all the bonds we owe.

    PCS- I agree with you 200% about the forensic audit of town hall, but I believe that it needs to be expanded to all the departments including the BOE. After the research I have done let me just say that we could cut 1/3 of the budget across the board and use the $$$ to fund the pension debt and the only services we would really lose would be those that don’t benefit the town in any way(secure bunker positions that don’t perform anyway). I’ll give you a detailed list if you really need one, but you have a fairly good handle on what we wouldn’t miss. So to say that I would fully support this type of audit is an understatement.

    Generic- You do raise some good points but I do not agree with everything you posted. You are very astute about Shakespheare Theater, it needs to have a certain amount a flexibility in its uses in order for it to be successful as well as a league of benefactors to support the arts.
    SAEP-The conceptual idea of what area 51 is , is an excellent reuse of this property. The problem with area 51 is the “players” have to stay out of jail long enough to raise the balance of the $$$. Personally, I hope this project succeeds, though I would like to see the “real” hollywood east people involved. Now if we get this project started, we could tie in the Stratford Land Development people with trying to build a short term residential facility for the people who would be filming at hollywood east. Add in the safety buffer to the airport-not expansion- and it becomes the perfect landing for the rich and famous to work their artistic magic at area 51, while staying at new short term living facility. The Lordshippers would have to deal with a few more flights but not bigger planes. Maybe the workers at area 51 might frequent the revived theater and maybe some others will be so charmed by it they will become benefactors. These workers might even live in Stratford, others may just be visiting and frequent the local businesses.
    You spoke about a boardwalk going from one end of town to the other, and I just read some where there is a public hearing coming up for a town wide plan/project plan at the end of September. I might have read it on the town web site. You might want to look into that, as something like that begins to add another type of layer of tourism to the community. I’ll take summertime economic stimulous over no stimulous any day of the week, at least you can grow on something.
    Rabestos field and Contract plating should be cleaned up by their owners. Especially the field–the guy that owns this bought it knowing it was contaminated and owes the town a fortune in back taxes- all the time hoping the town will take the property and the liability away from him so he can declare the loss to the irs. Meanwhile we have residents going nuts over the location of the dog pound. Where it is is fine, just get a snip of the PW property in exchange for replacing the “graveyard” of equipment and I’m sure they would work a compromise,especially if the equipment showed up before the pound was rebuilt.
    The colonial catering property development that is costing tax dollars in legal fees is probably one legal fee that is worth the $$. That particular proposal is riddled with issues according to the papers and the zoning office and would be a huge liability to the town on multiple levels. This is one that should go to the mat, after all the issues that have surfaced that are open to public viewing/records, that is one project that should be scaled down to say 25 units, or maybe even single family houses that are ALL affordable, I don’t think the town would object to that but the developer would not make the $$$they thought they would.
    Remmington woods is an excellent project that seems to have the balance down between development and environment. They have some remediation challenges to overcome but all in all it is progress and having Mr. Scinto in Stratford could just be the beginning of a turn around, he does have vision as well as high expectations for return on his investments and that is a good thing. We need more of this in town.
    You are absolutly correct about the Forest and Boothe Park. They are the most underutilized and underpromoted areas in town.We have a full time pr person, you think that by now it would have a fantastic package of pr designed around it and marketed to the state tourism bureau for starters. Roosevelt forest needs a makeover in it’s reception area without a doubt and that is something that the entire council needs to work together on.
    Then of course we have LBW. You or someone mentioned a ferry? How about a shallow water ferry for people and bikers from the Jetty(? is that the right term?) behind SAEP to LBW?Pleasure Beach???? I know they make the shallow water versions because I have been on one several times. They are very small(might fit 3 cars on them if you had to carry cars). This again brings in another opportunity for different types of tourism. You could have a picnic over there or just sit and watch the birds and the waves–orrrrrr— how about offering kiteboards, kayaking, plain old kiting, and maybe even bike rentals-most shore communitites have things like that, it’s called small business opportunity.
    With regard to complaining taxpayers-there maybe a handful that do it publicly, but thousands are complaining everyday more privately.
    You wanted to know where all the 20-50 somethings are? Many are working more than one job just to eek by, and others are so disillusioned by a process that is completely pre ordained prior to the start of the meeting that they feel that no matter what they say it won’t matter. You and I know that it matters, sometimes. That is why these blogs are so beneficial, it gives people a chance to see what is going on in town-good, bad or otherwise, and a chance to speak out or just investigate or bitch on their own. Of course there are also the percentage that just don’t care, every community has that type of dead weight and they are truly dead weight.
    We live with Stratford’s reality everyday. I do understand that what happened years ago does have an effect on today, but with the change in government, no one expected it to go from bad to worse as rapidly and as rabidly as it has. Town hall has a deadly disease inside called “mironbull$#itzola”. What this does is causes an internal hemorrage that kills everything good that it touches,like a cancer it feeds and robs everything around it for its own benefit. This is our painful reality. Would someone else be better? My humble opinion is yes, yes, yes. Could they be worse? it’s possible but not very likely.
    How do we correct our situation?
    First off, we need help from The FED’s, big time help to clean out the rot in town. I am all for an investigation into all the allegations of corruption in town hall, police top brass, human resources etc, etc. etc. etc.and even council chambers if necessary(yes there is a legal definition of residence, just ask an attorney, I did). Once we get people that are honest and have the publics interests at heart we can begin to move forward. Until then Stratford will remain “the land of the lost” from forest to shore. I just hope the level of frustration doesn’t reach a “snapping point” because it is dangerously close now. We shouldn’t have to wear bullet proof vests in town hall.

  23. 23 1george1

    Nnanerak,

    A few months before he passed away, Ed Hargus made a stupid remark,
    where everyone knew he was joking and also warning about a possibility
    of violence to the Town Council, where someone in a Mid-Western state
    actually committed some sort of violence.

    Henrick raised the issue, which NO ONE in the audience could believe,
    despite agreeing Ed Hargus made a stupid remark.

    Joe Crudo also reaise an issue. Ed Hargus was arrested over a stupid
    remark at a Public Forum, that the overwhelming majority of the
    audience believed was NOT a THREAT!

    Hargus had done more for this Town and people in this Town than all
    of the people on the CLOWN COUNCILS and PARTY CLOWN COMMITTEES
    combined.

    Your closing remarks remind me of that situation.

    I AM AGAINST VIOLENCE and find one must be careful when discussing
    anything which can be used against people honestly frustrated and
    engaging in non serious comments.

    I agree with MOST of the spirit and content of your fine of substance
    and your opinion.

  24. 24 1george1

    FOS

    Good post.

    My reference to licensing involves
    1) Shakespeare Theater
    2) Historic District
    3) possibly the Avco property
    4) Schools & Town buildings
    5) other assets

    1) Shakespeare Theater
    There are only a few Stratfords.
    Each Stratford has identity with Shakespeare’s Stratford on Avon.
    Shakespeare wrote over 100 plays and almost 900 other works.
    Shakespeare creates over 500 characters
    Plots, words, phrases, and themes have spun off for hundreds of years.

    If Stratford were to work a licensing agreement with the producers of
    works at the Theater, why couldn’t Stratford benefit from concepts
    that are proven with Disney, Warner Brothers and all kinds of merchandising
    from movies, tv, and entertainment, including (appropriately) the WEE and
    Looney Tunes.
    There are also surcharges on ticket sales and others, discussed in the past.

    2) Historic District
    There are other Revenue stream opportunties, with decent marketing.
    This can include the Historic District and other assets, like Shakespeare.’
    Clough’s hardware has a couple of poor examples, poorly marketed.

    3) possibly the Avco property
    Depending on development, AVCO could be worth as much as 1 Mil to the
    Town in direct property tax and indirect benefits as an economic engine.
    This is based on 2001 discussion with Diane Toolan, where a fraction of the
    property was to be used and new information came forward on potential.
    > A real question is if the property will be Revenue neutral, negative (current)
    or possitive?

    4) Schools & Town buildings
    If Stadiums for Professional sports can be worth 7, 8, 9 figures for naming
    rights, why can’t schools be worth 7 or 8 figures to someone like JACK
    WALSH, IGOR SIKORSKI, FRED (Subway) DELUCA, or others like BILL GATES
    or JEFF BEZOS?
    Certainly Stratford High School and Center School are not named for any
    one person, so they have potential for renaming without offending the
    family of, let’s say Bunnell or Flood?

    If CUMMULATIVE licensing can be $ 4,500,000 a year, with slight increases
    annually for 20 to 30 years, that is 1 Mil. Not solve all of Stratford problems,
    but is a 3 % savings.

    5) other assets
    TBA

    Voluntary PENSION renegotiation can protect PENSIONS, and if completely
    self sustaining (which can be possible) woul eliminate over 3 Mils.

    I believe there are legitiimate ways to lower BUDGET by 5 – 7 Mils and add
    2 – 5 Mils in annual Revenue.

    However the barbarians at the Gates may make the potential moot.

    >>

    On the STOCK MARKET venue, Warren Buffet made $ 437,000,000 on a
    $ 5,000,000,000 investment in Goldman Sachs.

    GOOGLE: Buffet’s #2 Charlie Munger has a terms for an this opportunity:
    LOLLAPOLLUZZA

    The Senate, Congress, and White House caused all the problems and now
    will implement solutions. Where will the monry come from?
    U. S. Treasury / Fed
    Buffet / Gates types
    Rockefeller Foundations and subsidiaries
    O. P. E. C.
    Russia / Iran / Venezuela / Nigeria -> OIL / GAS
    China & India who have Trade Surplus sitting in U. S. Treasury
    Japan and Pacific Rim, Trilateral
    W. Europe Trilateral

    Weak dollar invites investment in the USA by all of those who
    1) Have stronger currencies
    2) Have higher Labor costs, comparable to Stratford Municipal
    3) NO LAND, compared to populations
    (US Government owns 90 % of land west of the Mississippi – believe it
    or not)

    Before everyone starts cheering, you just traded masters.
    These masters do not care about you or me.

  25. 25 nnanerak

    George-
    I was expressing my concern over the behavior of the Mayor who is known to carry a gun in Town hall. The people are the ones that need the shields against him. To quote a famous councilman “he is a nut!!!!!!” and truer words have never been spoken.
    Sorry if you misunderstood my reference. I will take your advice and be more careful, though I have grave concerns over going to the Town meetings because of the mayor’s lack of self control and lack of impulse control–we all should have concerns as the mayor publicly threatened a councilman and I for one hope that Gavin has him arrested for threatening. It’s not too late, he can do it.

  26. 26 1george1

    Nnan
    Jim has a temper.
    While Jim is not as smart as he thinks he is, he is not a complete fool.

    I believe the whole Town Council thing was staged for Publicity to keep
    what Bob Sammis and I said at Public Forum about Pensions and the Town
    Budgets, from being covered, by the press.

    Gavin is responsive to his constituents and is more knowledgeable and more
    intelligent than most. Gavin has made choices, for his own reasons which I
    believe make Gavin “PART of the PROBLEM, NOT part of the solution.”

  27. 27 gforrester

    Let me see if I can weight in on some of these discussions.

    1. 2A. Areas which are ripe for redevelopment:
    a. SAEP – Unfortunately as we all know a previous Town Council wrote a sweetheart contract that had no escape clause in it which is why we ended up with Team Stratford for as long as we did. That’s in the past now and Stratford no longer controls the fate of that project, the US Government via the Army base closure unit does. They held and auction and like some curse the successful bidder turns out to have the partners at each other throats and, from what I read in the newspaper, a deal is not likely within the near future so we might be back to square one. The Council found a potential developer but surprise surprise the feds came in at the 11th hour and pulled the rug out. With the Financial Markets where they are we probably would not have seen a shovel in the ground on this project anyway, which might be said for any short term substantial economic development since our economy is in crisis.
    b. Remington Woods – Once again the financial market condition will more than likely slow this project to a crawl.
    c. Airport and surrounding open land – There is much land that can be developed and despite the cost of aviation fuel companies still need to move goods, services, and people so carriers like Fedex, DHL, UPS could make Stratford a mini-hub of sorts and generate some economic activity with support businesses. There is potential is managed correctly to include a proper master development plan prior to investing taxpayer dollars. What I see is that we have a let’s buy it and let’s figure out what to do with it later rather than develop a plan then see about making a purchase.
    d. Stratford Land Development holdings in Lordship – The housing market is in a free-fall so I don’t think residential units would have been a likely savior to our tax base at this point anyway. True the area residents were against it because of numerous reasons stated but I agree that the effect on the school system would have been negligible but other factors had valid points.
    e. Shakespear – It’s drop back and throw the hail Mary pass and see what happens. If Hanney has deep pockets and wants to infuse cash then you may see ancillary businesses like restaurants redevelop in the area but we have than nasty Raymark issue with properties along Ferry Blvd. to contend with so development is once again hampered by State and Federal agencies.
    f. Colonial Catering property – When I sat on the zoning commission the estimated legal fees were quoted in the $100K range and low and behold look where we are today. The property was originally proposed for a single family housing subdivision and I believe the planning commission shot it down, if we could only turn back the clock.
    g. The various contaminated locations, Raybestos Field, Contract Plating etc. – The Feds and State are once again back at the bargaining table looking to develop a plan to remove, cap and consolidate the waste so hopefully they will agree to a plan and will spend some of that $21 million dollars that has been sitting there for years being spend on consultants.

    But what we also need to look at are the other potential properties that can be re-developed. We have Mobil Chemical/ Ross and Roberts/ and several smaller parcels thought the Honeyspot Road, Lordship Blvd, Surf Avenue area where opportunities exist but they have to be marketed. We can’t expect companies to just wander into Stratford aimlessly but rather we need to aggressively market our potential. We need to stop spending so much time developing a marking brochure but rather develop a marketing strategy which includes fast tracking land use applications – tax partnerships and incentives – and a redevelopment agency that combined public and private enterprise. As we have found out with the financial advisory board we have exceptionally talented people in Stratford that are willing to step up to the plate and help make this town better and what we need to do is create a political environment that encourages them to participate rather than ignore our most valuable resource which are the men and women that reside in our town. This is not an undertaking that 10 council members and a mayor can take on single handed but rather we need to all work together to save our community from further decline. While I have been on the council I have reached across party lines many times to work on bi-partisan budgets, senior tax relief, capital improvement plans and numerous ordinances so we need to continue those efforts but on an even broader level. No one political party has a monopoly on good ideas, and too often the competitive edge clouds the positive efforts that have been made working together, but next year we have got to focus on getting the most qualified candidates to represent us who are committed to work together to re-energize this town and that is where each an every one who reads and posts on this blog can play a roll in defining how the future of Stratford will be. Some things are beyond out controls like the national economy but how we shape our community is within our control and we all need to participate.

  28. 28 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    As long as you are blogging today….is it true the Town Council approved the expenditure of $300/hour for a private investigation of the Christian Miron mess? And, if so, why do we pay the State’s Attorney’s office to do the same thing.

  29. 29 1george1

    Gavin’s post was extremely astute.

    A couple years ago I tendered suggestions about redeveloping the
    honeyspot road area, through a swap arrangement for those old
    and contaminated properties, into a state of the art, multi story
    industrial condo complex, with much lower energy cost.

    The other day when the blogger listed all of those areas for the
    development / redevelopment, I wrote that he/she missed the
    biggest area for redevelopment.
    Either Gavin remembered what I had writen and posted the above
    or great minds think alike.

    Gavin and Jim Miron are more intelligent than Republicans in 1 respect.
    They read what I write. My PROFESSION is BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
    As such I have to ENVISION POTENTIAL and PROJECT the Advantages,
    Features, and Benefits toward my prospect(s).

    If one goes over my 40 – 50 Letters to the editor and monthly submissions
    to the Town Councils, I have provided potential of 9 figures in Savings
    and Revenue over the years to stratford, at no cost to them and a few
    thousand to me.

    Since much of the savings involve lessing the patronage give aways of
    the Republicans and Democrats, and since the Democrats are often in
    the minority,

    1 – they can NOT do anything about some of the Republican
    give aways, like Team Stratford.

    2 – they give away a sh-t load of patronage to their people.

    3 – jointly they do more damage than good, in my opinion, for give aways
    to mutual F. O. P. s

    Anyone can save protestations, since Gavin and the others, could BLOW
    the WHISTLE on major issues anytime they want.
    Yet they save their pucker and wind.
    About all they save.

    As blogged. Gavin has done
    * EMS Community Service,

    * ran BUDGET WORKSHOPS, which caused good changes and information
    while letting BURTURLA off scot free,

    * has been effective advocate for RAC & SAVE STRATFORD Meetings / ordinance
    To what end? Who knows about FEDS / STATE / LOCALS?

    * asks some of the BEST QUESTIONS on the T C

    * has been involved in DOT – I-95 Bridge / Ramp issues

    * has been on Zoning

    * Has other stuff.

    GAVIN frustrates me, because while he is among the most capable
    people in politics, he above all people should be in favor of BUDGET
    REFERENDUM and PUBLIC RIGHTS to INITIATE and RECALL

    * GAVIN is ankle deep in the PENSION ISSUES. He could speak out and
    could be capable of transitioning a problem into a solution, minimizing
    the politcal fall out, which can become devasting, if uncontrolled?

    * Burturlas / Mirons / Florek are in over their heads on pension issues

    * Kelly, Williams, Proto, Miller, Kubec, Cotter, Norm, Henrick, Feehan,
    Camillo, DeCilio, Cabrol, Harkins, Schirillo, and others are in it from
    knees to chest deep on the pension issues and other things which
    some people have constured as quid pro quo.

    Unfortunately we have a federal and state government run by what I
    believe are traitors and criminals, which make the Stratford and area
    Town Committees look like “soldiers” in the political gang families.

  30. 30 1george1

    Has anyone else noticed that FOS asked about my licensing ideas
    for Stratford, which I answered in 5 points.

    FOS has not responded.

    A couple readers suggested FOS was fishing …. for F. O. P.
    I will take FOS claim about being out of state

    There are times I wished I had the “normal” life of wife and children.
    There are other times, when I know what I have bee through and have
    read about a most sanguine history, and am glad I am not exposing mine
    to those type of troglodytes.
    While science is built on truths – War and political science are built
    on truths involoving the ability to deceive and manipulate others in
    the ultimate alchemy of turning “lead into gold.”

    Strange thing.

    Technology right now, right now, would allow everyone to have more
    than anyone could ever need or use!
    > How many cars can one drive?
    > How many homes does one need?
    > How many clothes can one wear?
    > How much energy does one need to consume? AND ALL CAN BE
    SELF CONTAINED
    > How much FOOD can one eat?
    > How many electronic gizmos does one need / use?
    > How much TRAVELING does one do, before it get’s old? Airlines
    biggest competition is Telecommunication & Video conference.

  31. 31 sudds

    Excellent job Mr. Forrester!!!

    Keep this up and I just might be working on your election campaign soon*!!!

    * assumes (of course) that you take a lead in the polls

  32. 32 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Keep this up and I just might be working on your election campaign soon*!!! ”

    I thought he had to offer you a job first? I hope you dress as nice as John Fahan…

  33. 33 1george1

    Sudds,

    There is a difference in knowing all or most of the problems, and
    implementing solutions which you may agree or disagree?

    I have ZERO question about GAVIN’S intelligence and being able to
    articulate positions.

    I have questions about Gavin’s priorities and content / direction of his positions.

    Have you or anyone else noticed the limited debate?

  34. 34 gforrester

    Mr. Forrester,

    “As long as you are blogging today….is it true the Town Council approved the expenditure of $300/hour for a private investigation of the Christian Miron mess? And, if so, why do we pay the State’s Attorney’s office to do the same thing.”

    NO – the Administration never came to the Town Council seeking any approval for funds to conduct an investigation and we were never asked to approve the hiring of any firm or individual to conduct the investigation. I have no doubt that the funds to conduct the investigation will come from some line in the budget. I believe that the position of the administration is that it is an administrative matter and does not require the approval of the Town Council.

  35. 35 gforrester

    Excellent job Mr. Forrester!!!

    Keep this up and I just might be working on your election campaign soon*!!!

    * assumes (of course) that you take a lead in the polls

    LOL – I don’t usually fair well in polls so I doubt you will have to worry.

  36. 36 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    Can you please point out the clause that removes this power from the Council?

    § 2.2.1. Council Powers.
    The Council shall have the power to make, alter and repeal orders and ordinances

    (e) relative to the appropriation of the moneys of the Town;

    (f) relative to the making and enforcement of police, sanitary and other similar regulations;
    (h) relative to the preservation of the public peace and good order and
    the suppression of vice and crime within the Town;

    § 2.2.15. Power of Investigation.
    The Council, the Mayor and any officer or board authorized by them or either of them, shall have the power to investigate town affairs, to subpoena witnesses, administer oaths and compel the production of books and papers.

    Did the mayor make a report to the Council on this matter? Did he even tell the Council he was doing it?

    § 1.2. Duties of the Mayor.

    3. Making periodic reports to the Council on matters relating to the administration and welfare of the Town at regular Council meetings or upon the request of the Council.

    $300/hour for an investigation by a non governmental consultant for the past four months seems a little bizarre, don’t you think? Kind of like the punitive audit Mayor Moron conducted into Pat Naylor last year? How many thousands did that cost?

    We’re not even talking about the arbitration, wrongful termination, or libel suits yet.

    Is the Council just going to let our money disappear into a Miron/Buturla hole?

  37. 37 gforrester

    § 1.2. Duties of the Mayor.
    1. Administration and supervision of all departments, agencies and offices of the Town.

    Departmental investigations comes under supervision of departments 1.2 Duties of the Mayor

    § 2.2.14. Relationship of Council to Administration.
    The power to appoint persons to public office or employment, granted to the Mayor by this Charter, shall be exercised solely and exclusively by him or her. Neither the Council nor any of its members, either publicly or privately, shall dictate, or attempt to dictate, the appointment of any person to public office or employment, the power to appoint which is granted to the Mayor. Any violation of this section by a Council Member shall be cause for his or her removal from office after a hearing before the Council and the affirmative vote of eight (8) members of the Council.
    Nothing herein, shall be construed to deny to the Council or its members the right to make inquiries of the Mayor or his or her subordinates.

    Personnel matters are the jurisdiction of the Administration not the Town Council.

    3. Making periodic reports to the Council on matters relating to the administration and welfare of the Town at regular Council meetings or upon the request of the Council.

    We have not yet been given a copy of the final report from the investigation but I am sure we will ask for on and a copy of the bill.

  38. 38 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    Great charter, huh? It says he can investigate…that’s why we have an Internal Affairs department and a State’s attorney. It doesn’t say he can loot our bank accounts to do that. That’s YOUR job.

    I know! Let’s fix this Charter!

    Oh..too late, we tried that already, didn’t we?

  39. 39 sudds

    “I thought he had to offer you a job first? I hope you dress as nice as John Fahan…”

    To sit *wink, wink* at the train station all day during the hours AFTER commuters leave and BEFORE they return??? When I am there *wink, wink* I’m thinking my cargo shorts, Margartaville t-shirt, and flip-flops should suffice, no???

    “LOL – I don’t usually fair well in polls so I doubt you will have to worry.”

    Have you not seen your competition??? I’d personally recommend a few “George Bush is the former lover of Jon Best” smear tactics… the election will be a cake walk! Heck… this is Stratford… you only need like 37% of the vote!!!

  40. 40 sudds

    Charter revisions or not… budgets or not… why does no one see the obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST (@#$% I’m turning into George) involved with the mayor heading an investigation into the release of his brother’s records???

    Shouldn’t he step aside… LOL who am I kidding… be forced aside because of this conflict?!?!?

  41. 41 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    I am sure the PBA attorneys have already noted that. Now I’m trying to figure out how many mils our property taxes will go up because of the forthcoming arbitration and civil suits.

    Miron will be back chasing ambulances from Trumbull or Fairfield or wherever he’s living then. We’ll still be paying and paying.

  42. 42 nnanerak

    Some very interesting posts! They caused me try to navigate the town site to find the charter and read it ALL. Who wrote that thing!!!!!!!
    Gavin,
    I disagree with you. If you read the charter, that is not what it says. It says that council has the right to investigate all matters pertaining to town affairs. In the Webster’s dictionary, which is one that lawyers use too, Affair is defined as “something that relates to or involves one”. If you don’t think that demanding reports and information from the mayor about hiring(=paying) an outside investigating team for an “internal” matter is warranted then I seriously question your core understanding of government affairs. Honestly, I had you pegged as a bright bulb on the council, I may now have to reconsider this.
    It is my understanding that if there is a problem that needs investigating by the town and there is a conflict, they are supposed to go to the state-if there is still a conflict(as in stratford’s case) it is to go to the next highest level–Federal. Those steps are what would be typically followed by an untainted department. If there was still a conflict at the federal level then they would go to the outside. As far as I can tell, council is under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to pay the bill for this investigation and SHOULD ABSOLUTELY revisit how the money distribution in town is spent. You have that right in the charter. Take some of the wasted money back from the departments that are squandering it and put it in a COUNCIL FUND–which is curiously absent from the budget. Have the council fund a savings account of sorts to maybe go toward reducing bond debt or some other line that is breaking the taxpayers back.
    In further reading your statement that it is a personnel issue which is administrative, again you don’t fully comprehend what power you actually have. While you may not be able to dicipline or fire someone you absolutely can unfund a specific position, you can do it mid budget season if you so choose. You have already done this, haven’t you? So why run away from obtaining information necessary that could determine the next mill rate?????I believe it is your obligation to obtain all this information from the mayor and “staff” to properly educate yourself as to the accurate budgetary needs. You seem to possibly be taking the EASY way out by not actually utilizing the true power you have. I never though you were afraid to rock the boat if it was in the best interest of the town. Are you stepping away from this because of future aspirations? I truly don’t think that is the case, but I have to ask.

    Sudds & Gavin,
    Speaking of conflicts of interest, will council or members of the council be filing ethics complaints with regard to the Mayor’s steering of the investigation of His brother’s case? How about the conflict of interest in who the Chief has hired to do the investigating????????? In this circumstance I believe the council is obligated to file those complaints to the ethics commission on behalf of the citizens that they represent. Should we be calling our council people for this???? Council phone numbers(most) I found on the Town website.
    By the way, the mayor is not the only one that needs to step away from this investigation-the chief and deputy need to also, especially since the deputy leaked out info regarding the investigation to individuals that weren’t involved in that investigation. Shouldn’t there be some type of reprimand/firing for that???????????????????? One is equally as bad as the other.

  43. 43 jezebel282

    nnanerak,

    “They caused me try to navigate the town site to find the charter and read it ALL. Who wrote that thing!!!!!!!”

    I believe it was…Gavin Forrester III, among others.

    “In this circumstance I believe the council is obligated to file those complaints to the ethics commission on behalf of the citizens that they represent.”

    You do realize who the Ethics commission MUST rely upon for legal opinions, right? Did you say “Richard Buturla”? If you did, you guessed right!

    Mr. Forrester,

    Come back any time. It is always a pleasure to have you. 😉

  44. 44 gforrester

    “If you don’t think that demanding reports and information from the mayor about hiring(=paying) an outside investigating team for an “internal” matter is warranted then I seriously question your core understanding of government affairs.”

    There have been Town Attorney rulings (not just Buturla’s) that have clearly stated that while we can demand reports we can not interfere in personnel matters that are being investigated by the Administration.

    I wish you would either watch the Council broadcast or come to a meeting because The Council has asked for an update on more than one occasion and we have been told that the investigation is on going and that the administration will not comment on an on going investigation. That is the Mayor’s report. I have asked for confirmation on the rate of compensation to the investigators and have been told that the report is not yet completed.

    “some of the wasted money back from the departments that are squandering it and put it in a COUNCIL FUND–which is curiously absent from the budget.”

    The budget surplus is returned to unreserved fund balance which is used as the “savings” account. The bond rating companies have requested that we maintain a fund that is aproximately 10% of the annual expenditure and, while we have made progress, we have not been able to meet that figure. We are currently discussing the year end budget transfers and those same wonderful bond rating firms (we have an example of their fine work with the current financial crisis) have indicated to the council that failure to approve the transfers would damage the Town’s bond rating so they are not really concerned with what our charter does and does not say.

    “In further reading your statement that it is a personnel issue which is administrative, again you don’t fully comprehend what power you actually have. While you may not be able to dicipline or fire someone you absolutely can unfund a specific position, you can do it mid budget season if you so choose. You have already done this, haven’t you? ”

    I don’t know how you made that intrepretation but the Town Council can not change the annual budget after it’s adoption. The mill rate is developed on an annual basis and, while the Mayor can create staff reductions during the fiscal year the town council can not.

    “You seem to possibly be taking the EASY way out by not actually utilizing the true power you have. I never though you were afraid to rock the boat if it was in the best interest of the town. Are you stepping away from this because of future aspirations? I truly don’t think that is the case, but I have to ask.”

    I’m not taking any easy way out of anything but I am letting the investigation run it’s course before I pass judgement on the results. Let me ask if you are a Stratford Resident have you contacted YOUR council representative (if it’s not me) and request that they raise the issues that you have?

    “Sudds & Gavin,
    Speaking of conflicts of interest, will council or members of the council be filing ethics complaints with regard to the Mayor’s steering of the investigation of His brother’s case? How about the conflict of interest in who the Chief has hired to do the investigating????????? In this circumstance I believe the council is obligated to file those complaints to the ethics commission on behalf of the citizens that they represent. Should we be calling our council people for this???? Council phone numbers(most) I found on the Town website.
    By the way, the mayor is not the only one that needs to step away from this investigation-the chief and deputy need to also, especially since the deputy leaked out info regarding the investigation to individuals that weren’t involved in that investigation. Shouldn’t there be some type of reprimand/firing for that???????????????????? One is equally as bad as the other.”

    The Mayor and Police Chief have indicated no one from the Town is actively involved in the investigation and that the outside investigators are conducting the inquiry independently. Until there is any tangible proof that is not happening I have no case to go before the ethics commission to make a complaint. As a citizen anyone is eligible to bring a case before the ethics commission so if you have any evidence of wrong doing I would encourage you to make the case but again I do not have any.

  45. 45 gforrester

    “They caused me try to navigate the town site to find the charter and read it ALL. Who wrote that thing!!!!!!!”

    I believe it was…Gavin Forrester III, among others.

    Totally correct Jez – but as I have always the charter is only as good as the people we elect.

  46. 46 nnanerak

    Gavin,
    Thank you for taking the time to respond.
    I still disagree, first off I do believe you misunderstood what I said you can ask for. You can ask for any documentation that that has direct financial implications. I didn’t say you need to have access to personnel issues but as the controller of the wallet of the town there are certain things you have the right to immediate access. If someone has hired an outside investigating team to do an internal investigation at $300/hr. you absolutely have the right to know who,what, when, where, how and why and where is the $$$coming from. That being said, demanding answers to those questions do not compromise the investigation in anyway.
    I understand all about the unreserved fund balance and yes I do go to the meetings and the few I miss I catch on channel 79 and try to read lips as the sound absolutely sucks. What I was referring to is somewhat different than that fund. I’ll save the explanation for another post.
    Once you set the budget, yes it is predominantly set, but…..you all vote on transfers all the time. So lets say the PW or parks dept were in dire need of a small light weight pick up truck and you can’t wait 10 1/2 months for the next budget and all the areas in that dept budget are fixed/immobile, what do you do???? You go to a different dept. and take the money from there and move it over–I watched it happen on channel 79 tonight(after the famous break) so what prevents you from doing that? That money is moved or retained soley by the council. Administration can make recommendations but council moves it or does not. It is up to you to figure out how to fund the requests that come before you. Like the fire truck emergency–yes, you have capitol equip. funds, but if they are used and the fire truck is a priority you move money. So to tell me that it is impossible, I don’t buy it.
    I have talked to several council members about my concerns including you. The answer is the same “our hands are tied we don’t know what we can do about it”. We elected you to find out, and if anyone can find out what to do-it’s you Gavin. You are the only one that has the testicular fortitude to do it. I mean that as the highest compliment.
    If no one is involved in an investigation and an independent entity is conducting one, on whose authority are they acting and on whose authority has gained them access to all the personnel records? Someone had to authorize them to have access to all the intricasies, and that doesn’t happen through FOI. (And now that I am thinking about it, if an ia investigation is supposed to be confidential the very nature of what is being done is no better than how this all began…it’s all relative if you know what I mean.) If they are conducting this investigation independently who is paying them and how?????? Those questions absolutely DO NOT interfer with the integrity of any investigation. As a member of council you have the authority and the right to demand answers to those questions as they can impact the financial bottom line in town. I mean if you need to move $$ around in this particular dept to cover those expenses you have to look at what is expendable, there are 2 at will positions you could liquidate, technically to cover the costs..might just be worth it in the long run-before we get slammed with another outrageous dental bill.

  47. 47 1george1

    Nnanerak,
    You pleasantly surprized me by asking very pointed and good questions.

    Unfortunately Gavin is correct.

    1. Administration has certain powers. Council can NOT interfer.

    2. Council CAN investigate. However, with “ongoing investigation”
    hands get tied.
    A) Any perceptions of the investigation results? unBIASED? Full?
    Intensive?

    3. Gavin was “an” author of the C. R. C. # 1
    (Only Paul Joy would take suggestions / questions to the C. R. C. –
    except predetermined times. Paul also respects Gavin, but I do not
    know Paul or Gavin other than casually / politically.)

    4. People do NOT go to the Town Council Meetings, nor know rules,
    nor know procedures and process –
    Gavin does know the above!
    That is ONE area (of a few areas) I have to conceed to Gavin’s superior
    knowledge and intelligence. (Yeah he’s smarter then me) 😦

    5. Other Departments and Agencies have purview the Town Council
    does NOT!

    6. The Council sets the Budget and Mil Rate, then the Mayor moves
    the slush around. I think Gavin would conceed every Council could
    identify where at least part of the slush laps.
    The Bond raters are wise to want a 10 % padding, since we never
    know when we have to turn our $ 600 checks over to BIG OIL for
    Heating Buildings and fueling vehicles.
    > I would rather have 50 to 60 cent heating oil and $ 1 gasoline of
    late 1998 and not get the Bush / Cheney / Congress Tax cuts and
    rebates.
    > I feel the same way about the Miron Budgets. Smoke and Mirrors.

    In noticed Gavin actively answered Nnan & Jeze.
    Am I on the wrong string about my counter points? 😉

    Sudds,
    Conspiracy?
    Conflict of Interest?

    Attaboy?
    Where do I send the catnip for Rocki?
    (indirect bribe!) 8)

    Didn’t Nnan use similar terms above?

    If anyone sees smoke on the horizon?
    Those smoke signal may be coming from
    Jeze, FOS, MikeR, Kane, CyClops (great avatar) 🙂

  48. 48 1george1

    Nna’s posted, while I was composing.
    I will not (now) address her new points.

  49. 49 jezebel282

    Mr. Forrester,

    “Totally correct Jez – but as I have always the charter is only as good as the people we elect.”

    Ah yes, the “Blanche DuBois” defense. Our Charter relies on the kindness of politicians.

    Mr. Forrester, how has that been working out for us?

  50. 50 nnanerak

    Gavin,
    again thank you for the response. Please answer one question, if you don’t mind. Exactly how it is considered interferring with an investigation by demanding to know how they are being paid and who hired them? You are asking those questions of the chief and the deputy, not of the investigators. In most of our eyes it is no different than asking say who authorized the paving of a certain road and is it in the budget. No where are you interferring. You are absolutely allowed to be informed.
    Interesting thing you pointed out in the Charter about the council not being able to interfere with the appointment of any person to …..I had to print the whole d@mn charter out to read and re-read that section. Then on my way in to the city I casually asked one of the riding “group” that happens to be an attorney about this senario. The response I got was quite interesting and very typically legal as well as somewhat of a surprize. He said looking at the language it appears to him this is only applicable during the actual process of appointment. He said what was left out is what the relationship is after the appointment occurs. He said when you read the final sentence of that particular section it appears that it was deliberately left out to allow the council lattitude if they were dissatisfied with a mayoral appointment, he said that would be one of the few reasons that council would need to make inquiries of the Mayor or subordinates. I thought that was a rather interesting perspective from a completely unaffiliated( to Stratford) legal mind as he is from Greenwich.
    George,
    Thank you for the compliment about the post, though my wife would be a bit upset to hear of my sudden gender change in post 48. 😉 I agree with you that Gavin is very wise but sometimes we all can get a little myopic about things, myself included which is why I ask questions. I do have a tremendous amount of respect for him. I also like your points in no.6.
    George, Jez, FOS, Cyclops and PCS what do you think about the above opinion? Do you think it has validity? I’m wondering if it just might.

  51. 51 1george1

    (I forgot to delete what I copied, meaning it for this post – sorry)

    Editor’s note: Previous post deleted per request

    I agree with your lawyer commuter friend, as to the possibilities in
    the charter. The C. R. C. # 1 & # 2 was carefully crafted to create
    an esquirachial plutocracy.

    Miron and Burturla are Lawyers, with the latter’s firm filled with the
    biggest group of parasitic vampires sucking the life out of the RIGHTS
    of the Public, in my opinion. I suspect they cheat playing solitaire?

    My conversations with the offices of Blumenthal and Bysewicz leave
    me with the impression they are active accessories.

    John Florek, Ben Proto, & Jon August are Lawyers on C. R. C. #2
    * Florek, chair, was on the Miron / Burturla payroll as Housing Attorney.
    Further he was Town Attorney in 1991, when the Refendums took place.
    I believe he, Burturla, and others could be disbarred and jailed for their
    part in the PENSIONS, which is why they are actively trying to sneak the
    changes through in the Revision, under the CATCHALL PHRASING.

    * Proto (R) has interesting clients and past, and is one reason JON is suspect.
    Proto is a former attorney for the State of CT.
    Proto is a former R Town Committee chair.
    Proto repped Fredette vs. Burturla in Ethics complaint, one against Fredette,
    and a counter complaint vs. Burturla. Ethics Commisioned Chaloux had to
    recuse himself because Burturla’s daughter worked for his Daycare the year
    before. They found NO GUILT. The Town PAID all of the ATTORNEYS = NEVER
    reported in the PRESS?
    Proto hung around major “D” lawyer A Avalone, like a fly to….
    Esq Avalone rents from Berchem and represented one of Stratford’s biggest
    Tax payers about 630 Condos in Lordship Boulevard, which IF the Charter
    changes go through will allow Zoning, Council, and Administration to rape
    the integrity of the Town character, in my opinion.

    * August (D?) is a Bridgeport Lawyer, who repped police officer to Stratford for
    Disability. One can “project:”
    Bridgeport Lawyer
    rep “police disability”

    C. R. C. #1 had 3 lawyers: Jim Miron, Kevin Williams, & Joe Kubek.

    * Mayor Jim (D) Miron: Publicly was against a Mayor government.
    I do not have time …..

    * Kevin (R) Williams is a CT. Public Defender, like Clem Naples (D) was.
    Kevin was a major power on the RTC and a 1991 Town Council Chair
    when Florek was Town Attorney, when the Stratford Referendums
    took place, in revolt of the mini-budget.
    Remarkable co-incidence that Kevin Williams brother in law Kevin Kelly
    was appointed to become Town Attorney…

    Most interesting was that Tony (D) Schirillo went crazy when
    Mrs (R) Zalek and Ms. (R) Kronnenberg caused a log jam on the appoint-
    ment, about the time the Town Council eliminated the # 2 (paid) position
    in EMS (leaving Mrs. Best as # 1) (Kevin Kelly worked for Blumenthal, who
    replaced Joe (Liplock) Lieberman who loves BUSH / mcCAIN.)
    Same Council appointed Bill Cabrol to replace Mike Kopperwatts (cancer)
    as Town Council Chairman while Carol was Council Clerk (Charter had rule
    about a Councilman being paid by the Town)
    Same Council increase Registrar pay to $ 26,500 year + Benefits for 20 hours.
    (Derby, a Berchem client just raised Registrar from $ 6,000 to $ 10,000 year)
    > Kelly & Cabrol arranged for Town attorney fee to go from $ 60 per Hour
    to $ 125 Hour despite Ordinance against FINANCIAL SELF INTEREST and
    2 % CAP, which were LEGISLATION created by the Referendums of 1 9 9 1.

    * Joe Kubec was on C. R. C. # 1 and was a Councilor in 1 9 9 1.
    Joe (R) Kubec is a Town Councilor.

    When Kevin Kelly was Town Attorney there were 6 Assistant Town Attorneys.
    * Burturla (D) of Berchem
    * Tom (R) Cotter of Berchem, ex- from State of CT.
    * Tim (D) Bishop, now partner to Kevin Kelly
    * John (R) Florek
    * (UD) Foreman – (UD = United Democrate)
    * Frank (UD) Blando
    These were the 7 dwarfs. Stratford citizens = sleeping beauty.

    Prior to Dec 1998 Rich (R) Gilardi was Town Attorney with Kurt (R) Ahlberg,
    John (R) Florek, & Rich (D) Burturla as assistants. Every year since 1996
    R Burturla has taken at least 6 (known) figures from Stratford, and Florek
    has been on the Town Payroll as an Assistant Town Attorney to my know
    ledge, since at least 1991?

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Gavin (D & once an R), Joe Kubec, and Tom Moore appointed 8 people
    to a Financial Advisory Committee, including myself.
    As I previously blogged, a certain goodly amount of O. T. went to people
    in 2006 & 2007, which caused very high pensions in Jan 2008, which they
    asked us to review. Part of that time, Mike Imbro – TOM MOORE’S BRO-IN
    -LAW was Police Chief.

    There is a disagreement about what was voted out of the FAC Cover letter
    and the scope of the FAC REPORT.

    ——————————————————————————————————

    I believe both C. R. C. were filled with PARTY PEOPLE, who had an agenda
    for SELF INTEREST. Purportedly the were NO conflicts of interest?

    Miron (D) Williams (R) Kubek (R)
    – Pat Ulawtowski (Town Clerk / expert on charter – Late addition)
    Pensioned & Hubby (?) pensioned from stratford to about $ 120,000?
    – Gavin (D) Forester – Chairman (former R – I wonder when?)
    – Sue (D) Collier – Now works in Miron’s finance dept.
    – Paul (R) Joy – Became RTC chairman.
    – Chris (R) Silhavey – Became Town Councilor and on Zoning
    – Paul Hoydic (either husband or cousin of Laura Hoydic of T Town
    Committee & Chamber. Paul is former Bartender to Rudy Weiss @ Windmill,
    a Bull Moose (R) bastian.
    – Malcolm Younguist, husband of Susan, member of R Town Committee.

    C. R. C. # 2 supposedly 3 R / 3 D / 3 Unaffiliated
    Lawyers: Florek (R) Proto (R) August (U)
    – John (D) Fahan – Gavin’s campaign manager (aka Pearly Whites) proposed
    eliminating Budget Referendum, adopted by C. R. C. #2.
    – Rich (D) Fredette – Elite Towing – Former Councilor / Zoning.
    – Beth (U) Dapone – Florek’s neighbor – Teacher (town payroll) ?
    – Karen (U) Rodia – Wife of recently retired police Capt @ $ 94,000 year
    on a Base Pay of $ 84,000 or $ 81,000.
    – Eric (R) Boothe – Insuranceman. Lost run for Town Council.
    – Jim (U) Orlowe – retired from ranking position in Alinabal, which is a client
    of Berchem, Moses. Had been appointed to Economic Development.
    Headed Non Profit QUEST. A friend, who became a disappointment, but he
    and others are not on this world to meet my expectations.

    Eric and Karen asked the toughest questions on Miron.

    About the previously noted Ethics Commission where the Republicans
    Changes the Qualifications to be on the Commission and then the
    Commission rewrote the Ethics Code, which Burturla had originally
    had a hand in and was SUPERIOR to the State of CT. Code!
    This is before the DARK SIDE took over the FORCE.

    > Chair Father (now Bishop) Kopka – Polish National Catholic Church.
    (so much for division of Church and State?) Still in early 2002 (?) many
    of his parishioners have relatives behind the m IRON CURTAIN and
    some have relatives in the USA who might not have Green Cards.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “C”

    > Michael DeJoseph, CT. Asst State’s Attorney. If th USA actually
    had a rule of Law and legit BAR association, some of his peers
    may have be elidgible for disbarment, in my opinion.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “M”

    > Debra Gilbert Taylor – Resume filled with jobs that were at political
    or quasi political companies or organizations.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “M or I.”

    > Robert Chaloux – retired GE FAIRFIELD 😦 HQ executive, who owns a
    Daycare with his wife, which R Burturla’s daughter worked.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “E or I.”

    > Susan Birge = Therapist at FAIRFIELD 😦 University, where Robert Berchem
    is on Board of Directors. Ed Goodrich, backed by Kelly and Williams for
    Mayor is a member of the very large Stratford Birge / Goodrich family.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “E?”

    > Milt McDonald – was the creator and head of the FAIRFIELD 😦 Chamber of
    Commerce. I understand his son is in the Military, teaching HISTORY at
    WEST POINT.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “I?”

    > Mrs. DeRose – had changed political parties since she served on the
    FAIRFIELD 😦 RTM. She was a LIFE TIME FRIEND of DICK MIRON and his
    H. S. (High School) Councilor. (She was only an alternate … 😉
    Of M. I.C. E. = This may be “E?”

    > James O’Sullivan – former member of the U. S. State Department who
    went to the WAR COLLEGE in the 1950s after a stint in the Military.
    Stationed in the Belgium Congo in the very violent early 1960s and I
    strongly suspect was former C. I. A. Taught at Indiana Univ.
    Of M. I. C. E. = This may be “I?”

    (After Mark Barnhart suddenly left Stratford, after a few months he was
    hired by FAIRFIELD 😦 for a position in Economic Development. I remember
    he was quoted in the paper stating he didn’t know anything about E. D. ?)

    My dad was a WW II Combat Vet who eventually worked in FAIRFIELD 😦 USPS.
    Political gold brick low life Management harassed him unmercifully.
    He blamed his Post Master Dick Parks, for his medical problems, which
    I thought was crazy!! (I know…) Parks went to daily mass and communion.
    He was a POLITICAL APPOINTMENT. My dad liked Park’s brother who was
    a supervisor and probable JOB’S COMFORTER.
    Retrospectively:
    1) DICK PARKS was tormented into doing what was against his SOUL.
    2) I was late teens / early 20s and had ZERO LIFE EXPERIENCE to be able
    to relate to SOUL LESS / HEART LESS / POLITICAL LEECHES.

    My dad went to his death believing I was set for life with a GOOD CAREER
    in the SOUTHPORT (FAIRFIELD) 😦 USPS.
    A few years later (on a time table) it was my turn.
    I can relate to Pat Naylor & Pat Blumstein.
    I can relate to Slaves and the Black Experience.
    I can relate to the experience of the immigrants and the colonists who
    fled one group, with some of whom became what they hated and fled.
    I can relate to Holocaust victims, since like them, I can remember minutia
    of times, dates, events, people, circumstances, facts, places, and connect
    the dots through “deconstruction and reconstruction.”

    We only have a certain period of time to live and enjoy life.
    There are those whose pursuit of happiness includes schadenfreude,
    sadism, and psychic gratification in their mental and emotional needs
    or desires, to recreate a hobbsian world.
    How pitifully pathetic they are…
    And many of the local people involved in politics are actually in it to
    help people or to try to improve people’s lives.

    One exCouncilor thought 1/3rd of people in politics are in it for what
    is in it for them.
    He thought another 1/3rd meant to improve things or were idealists.
    He thought the other 1/3rd just wanted to belong to something and
    are kinda go along followers.

    As I read some place.. The road to H— is paved with good intentions.
    As I have found, that despite themselves, sometimes BAD people do GOOD things.

    As another exCouncilman said “Who’s Ethics and Standards does one use?”

    I read one newspaper columnist muse that it was amazing what people
    accepted as being acceptable in politics, conduct and law.

    Of the above people, there are many people I like as people, but do not
    like or respect what they have done to Stratford.
    Are there conflicts of interest?
    Do they meet or exceed certain Ethical or Legal Standards?
    Will they get away Scot (rite) free?

    There are times for rumination if lucky in old age and otium cum dignate.
    Interesting difference in theme of our productions of HENRY V & OT HELLO

  52. 52 jezebel282

    nnanerak,

    I had previously posted what I felt to be the relevant portions of the Charter for Mr. Forrester in case he forgot what he wrote.

    Simply because the provisions are there does not mean the Council has the will to exercise their responsibility. We saw this with the construction of the secure bunker. The council has the absolute right to determine the use and maintenance of all Town buildings in Stratford. They did not. The Council has the authority to fund positions within the Town. Miron appointed Kent Miller and Heather Habelka (now Siano) as mayoral “assistants” without the prior consent of the Council. The Council has the absolute right to prohibit concealed weapons during Council meetings. They did not. (Mr. Forrester, you may want to pat Jimmy down BEFORE you wrestle with him next time.)

    Again, it is left to the discretion of the Council to exercise their powers given to them by this awful charter.

    § 2.2.1. Council Powers.
    The Council shall have the power to make, alter and repeal orders and ordinances

    (e) relative to the appropriation of the moneys of the Town;

    (f) relative to the making and enforcement of police, sanitary and other similar regulations;
    (h) relative to the preservation of the public peace and good order and
    the suppression of vice and crime within the Town;

    § 2.2.15. Power of Investigation.
    The Council, the Mayor and any officer or board authorized by them or either of them, shall have the power to investigate town affairs, to subpoena witnesses, administer oaths and compel the production of books and papers.

    Did the mayor make a report to the Council on this matter? Did he even tell the Council he was doing it?

    § 1.2. Duties of the Mayor.

    3. Making periodic reports to the Council on matters relating to the administration and welfare of the Town at regular Council meetings or upon the request of the Council.

    George:

    Having slogged through your last post (twice!). The only comment I have is this:

    “Pat Ulawtowski (Town Clerk / expert on charter – Late addition)
    Pensioned & Hubby (?) pensioned from stratford to about $ 120,000?”

    First and foremost, Ms. Ulatowski is possibly the person with the most integrity I have have ever met. In her thirty nine (that’s right, 39!) years of dedicated service to this Town never once has her integrity been questioned. If you recall, she was completely opposed to the current charter and joined the Minority report.
    Secondly, after 39 years of dedicated service to the Town it is difficult to believe that Ms. Ulatowski would not be entitled to a pension.
    Thirdly, Ms. Ulatowski had absolutely no intention of retiring. Neither did Mike Imbro for that matter. Miron wanted both of them OUT. He couldn’t just fire them or claim they were “laid off”. But he wanted them OUT nonetheless. So he put together the most lucrative pension package the Town has ever seen. I believe the quote to Haddad and Norko was “I don’t care what it costs! Just put together the D**N numbers!” Once he had finished looting the budget, I believe the quote from MIron to Ulatowksi and Imbro was, “Why don’t you just take it and leave?”

    And they did. We now have Susan Pawluk and John Buturla in their places.

  53. 53 1george1

    Jeze,
    I have previously posted I respect Pat U.’s integrity.

    Would you deny:
    Pat and another Ulawtowski are on Stratford Pension to about $ 120,000?
    (I can e-mail you the excel of all Pensioners = PROOF)

    People have conscious and unconscious influences?

    People tend to have preferences and priorities?
    Is it normal to work towards or against those?

    I believe I already sent you a copy of the EXCEL PENSION.

    MIKE IMBRO is listed as going off the PENSION in 2000.
    I inquired to a kinda relative of Mr. IMBRO, if 2000 was correct.
    Purportedly Mr. IMBRO created a 401 a.
    I believe one needs 5 years for vestment for Town Contribution to 401a.

    Jeze can you prove YOUR ABOVE BELIEFS to an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY
    as they relate to ALL BACK GROUND INFORMATION regarding PAT U
    and MIKE I ?

    I know what YOU and I would LIKE to BELIEVE!

    I had not checked dates of others, to see if others duplicated what
    Mr. Imbro apparently planned in advance, working WITHIN the RULES.

    The Police Chief and the D/C are the ONLY TWO Positions in the POLICE
    DEPARTMENT which can NOT get O. T.

    I am sure the D/C and who ever it is that oversees and approves the
    retirement programs such as Mr. IMBRO”s DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN & 401a
    combined retirements,
    would NEVER INTEND for the D/C to do the same thing, would they?

    Jeze, whereas you and some bloggers would jump to support Mr. Imbro,
    you would also jump to criticize the D/C and approver.

    Jeze, if the PENSION PLAN was completely viable with NO TAX PAYER
    contributions and wholly self sustaining from investments, I could care
    less on how distributions are made.

    However since the PENSION is “officially 65 % FULLY FUNDED”
    (but added obligations and necessary computation times cause a 12 to
    20 month lag – the present FULLY FUNDED is probably closer to 50 % and
    needs spiralling amounts of PUBLIC CONTRIBUTIONS = Your TAX $ & mine.)

    I have a vested interest since a minimum of 12 % of my taxes and likely over
    15 % of my taxes goes to 575 people, when Fairfield Tax Payers have no
    surcharge (I believe) created by FLOREK / BURTURLAs, MIRONS, DUNN &
    friends, and exasperated by NORM and friends.

  54. 54 jezebel282

    George,

    “Would you deny:
    Pat and another Ulawtowski are on Stratford Pension to about $ 120,000?
    (I can e-mail you the excel of all Pensioners = PROOF)”

    Why would I deny it?

    “Jeze can you prove YOUR ABOVE BELIEFS to an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY as they relate to ALL BACK GROUND INFORMATION regarding PAT U and MIKE I ?”

    Yes, as far as Ms. Ulatowski I can. She has given Stratford innumerable hours of her time without compensation. In fact the only time I can remember her taking time off was when she donated her kidney to her brother. She performed her duties with integrity and thoroughness. What more can you ask of a person? I understand you may have issues with Ms. Ulatowski when it came to your numerous petitions and requests for irrelevant information, but she always helped you when she could, didn’t she George?

    As for Mike Imbro…I don’t know. I DO know Miron wanted them both gone no matter what it cost the Town.

    “Jeze, whereas you and some bloggers would jump to support Mr. Imbro, you would also jump to criticize the D/C and approver.”

    I don’t recall “jumping” to support Mike Imbro. Perhaps you can remind me?

    The point I am making George, is that after 39 years of dedicated service I think Ms. Ulatowski deserves every penny. After all, 39 years ago no one had ever heard of 401K’s, IRA’s, Keough’s, or Roth retirement accounts.

  55. 55 1george1

    Jeze,

    I agree with this.

    Patty was exceptionally capable.
    Patty was recognized as being exceptional
    I NEVER questioned PATTY as a person.
    I believe everyone should get good pensions.

    The point I am making George, is that after 39 years of dedicated
    service I think Ms. Ulatowski deserves every penny. After all, 39
    years ago no one had ever heard of 401K’s, IRA’s, Keough’s, or
    Roth retirement accounts.

    Where I disagree is that stratford pensions are 2 to 3 to 4 times
    GOOD PENSIONS in the PRIVATE SECTOR like BOEING & SIKORSKY,
    and 6 to 10 times as good as Social Security / Medicaid.
    and far better thanmost people who are not politically connected.

    Jeze, I would happily support state of the art comparative contributions
    by the town to 401K’s, IRA’s, Keough’s, or Roth retirement accounts.
    Have you seen the computations?

    60 %, 66 % or 70 % of salary?
    Who gets that in the private sector?
    Then COLA on top of that level, which is 6 times the Social Security
    annual increases?

    A certain person’s retirement was 240 % of the the 70 % Cap of his
    NEW and higher BASE.

    JEZE,
    DO YOU or a MEMBER of YOUR FAMILY COLLECT a DBP PENSION,
    as the reason you ADVOCATED ……….

    ———-

    JEZE
    “I don’t recall “jumping” to support Mike Imbro. Perhaps you can remind me?”

    While the focus of the below quote from you was primarily about
    PATTY U… would you agree or disagree the below constitutes
    jumping to boosting Mike I ??

    Thirdly, Ms. Ulatowski had absolutely no intention of retiring.

    did Mike Imbro for that matter.

    Miron wanted both of them OUT. He couldn’t just fire them or
    claim they were “laid off”.

    But he wanted them OUT nonetheless.

    So he put together the most lucrative pension package the
    Town has ever seen.

    I believe the quote to Haddad and Norko was “I don’t care what it costs!
    Just put together the D**N numbers!”
    Once he had finished looting the budget,
    I believe the quote from MIron to Ulatowksi and Imbro was,
    “Why don’t you just take it and leave?”


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