Q. How Do You Stop Miron from Lying?

17Feb09

A. Don’t ask him any questions.

Apparently Mayor Moron is tired of taking questions from irritating Councilmen during the Questions to the Mayor portion of Council meetings.

According to Mayor Moron, from now on any question by a Councilman must be in writing and submitted to his worship on the Friday prior to the Council Chairman’s deadline to submit items for the inclusion on the agenda. Failure to do so will result in Mayor Moron not answering questions from any Councilman.

We are assuming that one of the things Mayor Moron will use in his re-election campaign is open dialogue and working closely with the Council. Why should elected representatives of the people have any sort of right to ask an ad hoc question of the mayor during a scheduled meeting with the mayor to ask questions?

Memo to the Council

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21 Responses to “Q. How Do You Stop Miron from Lying?”

  1. 1 mikereynolds

    You have got to be kidding!

    Does anyone know if any other municipalities have the same rule?

    Of course he’s going to make it sound like he doing everyone a favor but its such a thinly veiled sham that its ridiculous.

  2. 2 justanotherreader

    Unbelieveable – I bet he can’t walk and chew gum at the same time either! Guess he’s never heard the phrase “I don’t know but I will look into it and get back to you”. But that would be an honest answer and well, honest is a foreign word to him.

  3. 3 jezebel282

    Mike,

    No…I am not kidding.

    Just,

    I’m guessing he needs the time to memorize the answers McCauley and Habelka give him.

  4. He is just so sickening! It is hard to waste any of my valuable time on him – but I had to say it.

  5. 5 jezebel282

    Update:

    The agenda items for questions of the Mayor would not be an FOi issue unless one of the questions triggered a lengthy debate or deliberation about an issue. Many boards have an item for report of the chief or report of the superintendent with the understanding that any issue could arise. If the question does trigger a discussion, the board, before getting into much substance, should vote to add the item to the agenda, which can be done by a two-thirds vote of those board members present. As for your second issue, there would be no violation of the FOI Act, unless someone had asked or asks for the document before the meeting and is denied access. At the meeting, the board would not be required to stop proceedings and go get copies if none were available. Any questions, feel free to contact me.

    Tom Hennick

    Public Education Officer
    860-566-5682


    Oh well, there goes the FOIA portion of Mayor Moron’s Memo. Maybe he should have called Hennick first?

  6. 6 mikereynolds

    Jez,
    Is the information above from an email correspondence between yourself and Tom Hennick?

    Is so, great job looking into it.

    So the questions are, did Miron not know this? Who did he consult with before sending out this memo? Did he talk to the Town Attorney about this? Did the Town Attorney check with the FOIC?

    I hope someone confronts the mayor with the information Mr. Hennick provided.

    He’ll look great trying to explain this.

  7. 7 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “Is the information above from an email correspondence between yourself and Tom Hennick?”
    I cannot take credit for it. It was provided to me by someone who did correspond with Mr. Hennick about the silly memo.

    “If so, great job looking into it.”
    I am sure that person reads this blog and appreciates your thanks as well as mine.

    “So the questions are, did Miron not know this?”
    <em>Probably not. But the excuse sounded great, didn’t it?

    “Who did he consult with before sending out this memo?”
    My guess is that he had McCauley or Habelka write it for him. It’s not like they would disagree with the Emperor’s new suit, you know.

    “Did he talk to the Town Attorney about this?”
    You mean a real one? Not one who graduated from the Close-Cover-Before-Striking School of Law? Nope, I doubt it. It was just another hissy fit he was throwing after being caught on the cottage thing.

    “He’ll look great trying to explain this.”
    Careful. He might hire another outside consultant to “look” into it.

  8. 8 1george1

    In the past, I have posted mr. Hennick’s e-mail address on this blog.

    Further, I have given same to a couple of people with FOI issues,
    including one who is the likely provider to Jeze, because I had
    3 way correspondence with same person + Jeze.

    Glad than I “may” have assisted in a transparency and truthfulness issue?

    – Same person and I corresponded about this memo.

    My feelings were published last Thurs Feb 12 Stratford Star, whereas
    I point out our Honorable Mayor can write or state truthfulness, yet
    NOT be conveying the “WHOLE TRUTH.”

    My position to my e-friend, is that I see NOTHING WRONG with ASKING
    for QUESTIONS in ADVANCE as a means to get full, accurate, and complete
    information from the Administation to the Town Council – Press – Public.

    and if there are lies or subterfuge, as expected, where would the excuse
    be, whereas not having every answer at one’s fingertip is legit?

    Advance questions also help set up the follow up question which can get
    to the REAL and SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES!

    So I favor Advance Questions, as a partial mechanism to expedite the
    Town Council conversations. It is not like both parties do not STAGE
    things in advance anyway. Yet, some of the back and forth on minor
    points, only fatigues/frustrates the audience, looking for “substance”
    and not the on going lack of “style.”

    Frankly, who is surprized the Honorable Mayor either messed up the
    FOI relationship to LAW, or lied about same?

  9. 9 jezebel282

    George,

    “I point out our Honorable Mayor can write or state truthfulness, yet NOT be conveying the “WHOLE TRUTH.””

    Wouldn’t that be called “truthiness?”

  10. 10 nnanerak

    George-You are correct that no one is surprized about the mayor’s lack of understanding of the law/foi. His recent memo demonstrates that he also does not have a clear understanding of the Constitution of this great country or the guiding documents of the state and local government.
    I can absolutely understand a request in writing the Friday before if he is going to be asked to produce documents. Requesting and demanding are very different. The memo was a demand that was a blatant violation of 1.) free speach and 2.) the town’s charter-not to mention total misinformation about the foi guidlines.
    Personally, I hope the council addresses the memo at their next meeting and files a complaint against the mayor on principle. I also hope that each councilman asks the mayor a boatload of questions just to see if he refuses to answer them. Apparently the mayor doesn’t realize Stratford is still part of a democracy while he reigns in delusional world. He still hasn’t figured out it is not what you are saying but HOW you are saying it….guess he missed that class at law school.

  11. 11 jezebel282

    Update:

    I LOVE this paper!

    You read it in the Fairfield Weekly:

    http://www.fairfieldweekly.com/article.cfm?aid=11893
    What a Piece of Work is Miron
    Thursday, February 26, 2009
    By FCW Editorial

    Stratford Town Council meetings can get theatrical — literally.

    When the town debates how to revive the Shakespeare Festival Theatre, residents come in togas and scream their favorite lines from the Bard’s plays of royal conspiracies and underhanded grasps for power. And though this is a town of 50,000 people, the histrionics are not out of line. In addition to the theater issue, Stratford faces budgetary woes, the question of selling Long Beach West, allegations of corruption and/or misconduct in a few town departments, toxic waste leftover from the Raybestos plant and the EPA’s terrible ideas on how to manage it. (The plan involves digging it up, driving it around and planting it near a school — no really).

    That makes the Town Council’s gatherings the best municipal meetings in terms of sheer entertainment value. (Unless the Danbury Common Council is debating an immigration issue; those are Super Bowls of squabbling.)

    Mayor James Miron is seeking some shelter from the scorn by asking that the questions for the “Questions for the Mayor” segment of the Town Council meetings be submitted in advance.

    His reasoning? The Freedom of Information Act.

    “Connecticut’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requires that the agenda of any Town Council meeting be available to the public, and be filed, not less than 24 hours before each meeting,” Miron wrote in a memo, and he argues that any question a resident wants to ask him is part of “the agenda.”

    This is the biggest load of B.S. we’ve ever heard (and we had to listen to Chris Shays talking about Iraq for five years).

    There are two distinct categories of people involved in these meetings: public officials and the general public. Public officials — elected office-holders and others on the town’s payroll — have to record and make available their records and agendas under the FOIA. The general public doesn’t. Miron is trying to rope the politically vocal people of Stratford into a laborious, agenda-creating role when they are there to simply ask questions or make comments on their town, a basic right and tradition of good old New England citizenship.

    No other Connecticut town, that we know of, has interpreted the FIOA like this. No other town requires public commentary to be submitted in advance and placed on an “agenda” or else brushes it aside as illegal.

    Might this be Miron’s attempt, in a year when he’s up for reelection and turmoil is in the air around him, to buy some time to think of fancier answers and silence some of the discontent of a town that has a lot of reasons to be pissed off?

    Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.

  12. 12 mikereynolds

    While I applaud this paper for reporting about this unlike the CT Post isn’t the story incorrect??

    Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the object of the Mayor’s memo regarding the segment of the meeting where members of the town council ask the Mayor questions?

    The article claims that the segment of the meeting that questions must be submitted in advance is the public speaking segment. Which is not correct.

    Am I wrong?

  13. 13 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “Mayor James Miron is seeking some shelter from the scorn by asking that the questions for the “Questions for the Mayor” segment of the Town Council meetings be submitted in advance.”

    I dunno…looks like they got it right to me.

  14. 14 mikereynolds

    Yes I can see that.

    But I think he confuses Questions to the Mayor as the public speaking portion of the meeting.

    “No other Connecticut town, that we know of, has interpreted the FIOA like this. No other town requires public commentary to be submitted in advance and placed on an “agenda” or else brushes it aside as illegal”

    Questions to the Mayor is the Town Council segment. The publc speaking portion is prior to that. I think the author has confused the two.

  15. 15 jezebel282

    Mike,

    I agree. It is not as clear as, say, when I wrote it. But Mayor Moron could always write them a letter explaining his action couldn’t he?

  16. 16 mikereynolds

    So what the author has done is damage his credibility by writing more of an opinion piece than a factual piece.

    If he had called someone on the Council or even the Mayor himself he would have gotten the facts. Instead his zealousness to take a shot at the Mayor caused him to write an inaccurate piece.

    Believe me I’m the last one to defend the Mayor but if someone is going to take a public shot at him in a newspaper that person should have his/her facts straight otherwise their credibility is damaged instead of the intended subject.

  17. 17 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “So what the author has done is damage his credibility by writing more of an opinion piece than a factual piece. ”

    Not that I’m defending the author, but it IS an opinion piece. And its labeled so. “By FCW Editorial”.

    And yes, the author would have done well to call a councilman, the mayor or simply read this blog.

  18. 18 mikereynolds

    Oh sorry, my bad. I missed the editorial heading.

  19. 19 jezebel282

    Mike,

    S’ok. I know you’re stressing with golf withdrawal.

  20. 20 1george1

    Nnan + Mike + Jeze

    The Miron memo raises questions of
    1) style and substance?
    2) proper vs. improper?
    3) legal or not?

    I was very, very impressed with Mike Reyolds series of points in
    this venue.

    I think having “some” ADVANCED QUESTIONS is appropriate.
    Anyone ever notice the TOWN COUNCILORS rarely answer ANY POINTS
    raised by the PUBLIC FORUM Speakers, unless:

    1) It is from Police – Fire – or other employees.

    2) It is from Constituent, which they agree and coordinated Public
    Forum presentation.

    3) It is from a surprize relevant and very time issue, especially from
    several speakers.

    The Town Councilors rarely directly address anything I bring up,
    yet often have to scramble to cover tracks.

    How rarely? Less often than Weizel mentioned my name in the paper
    in the last 5 years (Post + Bard + Register)

  21. 21 nnanerak

    in response to George-I have yet to see style or substance come from Miron, just about everything he does is improper and I question the legality of much of his actions over the last 3+ years.
    What I think the editorial was implying is that many times when the public speaks to the council the council then in turn tries to get answers from the mayor (which is just about impossible). You are given misinformation from him much of the time which has only added to his complete lack of crediblity as a public official-or even just as human being. To badd that the editorial didn’t focus on the way he tried to manipulate the law improperly.
    There is a certain level of frustration from council and the public when you can’t get the mayor to give the same answer twice about a topic or a reply of factual information. I also see that council does on occassion address public concerns, though not as often as I would like–though sometimes they are unable to address things due to the lack of cooperation from the mayor’s office and administration. What the mayor’s memo has done is twisted the foi law and his application of it would not hold up in court. Council has the right to ask the mayor what they want when they want and expect a timely response–it is the law of our town. We all know that this mayor thinks he is above the law. The council needs to lay him out on this one. Voters need to flail him on this one. I’d like to say maybe he should stick to real estate transactions–but personally I’d be skeptical about those abilities as well.
    The writing is on the wall for the mayor–better start sending out those resumes because Stratford is totally done with you.


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