When Your House Burns Down

20Nov09

Winners of Lying Contest

If you will recall, just prior to his humiliating loss, Mayor Moron had claimed that he was providing the FD with the day to day equipment they required:

100 eye shields
new radios and microphones
12 sets of turnout gear
62 air tanks
100 noise reduction earplugs
100 pairs of safety glasses
15 pairs of boots

The material wasn’t ordered until after Miron had his “press conference” on public safety. In fact the purchase order only included the 100 sets of plastic eye shields.

The portable radios and 12 sets of turnout gear still weren’t ordered when Cavanaugh wrote his “letter to the editor” and said they were (he lied). The order, in fact, was forwarded to the Purchasing Department last week (after the election and after Cavanuagh’s testimony to the Council).

The status of the 62 airtanks is still unknown and no one is aware of any order for boots (no one has even been sized yet).

The only equipment to arrive at the FD that Miron and Cavanaugh had promised are the earplugs and plastic safety glasses. At least we know that, if necessary, the Firefighters can use weed whackers safely.

All of which leads us to ask why “Chief” Cavanaugh finds it so necessary to lie to his own firefighters and to the public he is supposed to protect? Or is it because that’s the way he was trained in Waterbury?

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100 Responses to “When Your House Burns Down”

  1. 1 1george1

    Jimmy’s smile is belied
    by his sorrowful eyes.

    What is this link about House of Saud & Middle East Burns?
    Did this blog suddenly turn into CNN, just from the time
    Jeze, moved my post which cited specific examples about
    my insight on helping the USA & world economy with Iraq
    overflowing Oil / Gas reserves?

    Pssssst.

    Someone tell Jeze that Iraq is in the middle of the Middle east
    muddle, and it has been buring for over 30 years under Saddam
    and post Saddam …. 🙂

    If you hear a gnashing of teeth and see a trail of pulled hair
    around Jeze’s house … you may have and idea why?

  2. 2 jezebel282

    George,

    “just from the time Jeze, moved my post which cited specific examples about my insight”

    This is still not your private blog and irrelevant posts will still be edited. You remain the only one who who has been edited. Congratulations.

  3. 3 itsaboutthetruth

    The fact is that just about all of the SFD respects and thinks that Chief Cavanaugh is going to do the right things that past chiefs couldnt or didnt care enough to do for the SFD.

    It’s the same two or three individuals that constantly try to bash this guy cause he didn’t fall into their trap. The wine and dine didnt work on him (thank God) and now they aren’t getting their way so off to the blogs they go.

  4. 4 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    So lying to us and the firefighters is OK with you?

    How do you explain these blatant lies?

  5. 5 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    Itsa doesn’t put his name on his post. So how can anyone believe that the ‘ rank and file’ is behind Chief Cavanaugh?

    What rhe chief says in public is all we can go by.

  6. 6 jezebel282

    Ron,

    It’s OK if he/she doesn’t want to put a name on a post. It is never a requirement here.

    A Firehouse can be a clubby kind of place, you know. I’m sure that there may be some firefighters that still believe Cavanaugh.

    As you can see from the photo above, the rank & file chose someone else to support (and it wasn’t the guy who hired Cavanaugh).

  7. 7 itsaboutthetruth

    The quickest way for Harkins to lose the support of the fire union would be to get rid of Chief Cavanaugh.

    All of the items listed were needed before Chief Cavanaugh got here. So why go after him?

  8. 8 itsaboutthetruth

    I’m very new to this blog site but correct me if I’m wrong that above blog at mention has no signed author to it either.

  9. 9 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    “So why go after him?”

    Lying isn’t good enough?

    Haven’t we had enough of that? Once again, please justify saying that the FD is adequately equipped and we are safe 10 days before telling the Council that the FD is inadequately equipped and lives are in danger.

    Which is more important to Cavanaugh, protecting Jim Miron or residents and businesses?

    No need to threaten Harkins, by the way.

  10. 10 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    “I’m very new to this blog site but correct me if I’m wrong that above blog at mention has no signed author to it either.”

    You are very welcome here. You are correct. Your name is not required and no attempt will be made to reveal it.

  11. 11 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    Is ‘Itsa’ part of the ‘rank and file’ or some lackey?

    Is he even a fireman?

    Anonimity is protected on this site.

    If he confirms ,with you his identity, that’s good enough for me.

    Otherwise,

    The only thing I can believe is what someone puts his name on.

  12. 12 jezebel282

    Ron,

    No one is required to confirm anything with me.

    “The only thing I can believe is what someone puts his name on.”

    That’s up to you. I certainly haven’t put any other name than “Jezebel” here and I’m not about to require anyone else to do so.

    I have asked Itsa how he can justify Cavanaugh’s lies (not to mention dishonoring another of Stratford’s Bravest in public). We shall see…

  13. 13 itsaboutthetruth

    The above blog has specific dates to which things were ordered and when they were not. Correct? What proof of these statements by the “anonymous” author are given? I’m sure a FOI can be submitted to find out exactly when purchase orders are made but I dont see them. Do you?

  14. 14 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    “I’m sure a FOI can be submitted to find out exactly when purchase orders are made”
    Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

    “What proof of these statements by the “anonymous” author are given?”
    Has anyone asked your boot size yet, Do you have a new radio? Perhaps an air tank? (If you are a firefighter that is).

    But let’s get back to the lies. Any justification yet?

  15. 15 phineast

    Jez, sounds to me a bit like Itsa is worried about losing his job. Sadly, that is what happens when you lie to the council and the public-it gives the people in charge of the hiring the right to release under the malfeasance clause. So it is just a matter of time………………………………………

  16. 16 itsaboutthetruth

    Ron do you know who the author of the above blog is? Cause it seems your taking his/her word for it without having a name attached to his/her blog.I would like to know who he/she is. Please let me know.

    Your right I could be a lacky like the one writing about my Chief is doing but afraid to say I’m not. I want to have the best man watching my back when I’m risking my life. Right now thats Chief Cavanaugh. And I’m sick and tired like alot of others are in the dept of constant bashing and negativity towards our chief. There was bashing and negativity before any “letters” were written. So maybe ask yourself the real reason why Cavanaugh wrote the letter. I would bet my next paycheck that it wasnt all about being Mirons puppet as being portrayed.

    When Cavanaugh first came to Stratford there were many inquiries done by the “rank and file” about who this guy was. In the job of firefighting you meet and make friends with alot of firefighters throughout the state. A few phone calls were made to the Waterbuy FD. I cant tell you exaclty how many were done but with the 4 guys from Waterbury that I got a chance to talk to not one had a negative thing to say about Chief Cavanaugh. Not one negative thing came back from all the inquiries made. With a dept three times the size of Stratford thats says alot to me as well the other members of the SFD on what type of firefighter he is. I heard from more then one person that he’s a “firefighters firefighter” and it dont get any better then that.

  17. 17 itsaboutthetruth

    “””Jez, sounds to me a bit like Itsa is worried about losing his job. Sadly, that is what happens when you lie to the council and the public-it gives the people in charge of the hiring the right to release under the malfeasance clause. So it is just a matter of time………………………………………””””

    Are you referring to me as being Chief Cavanaugh? Seriously.

    “”But let’s get back to the lies. Any justification yet?”””

    So theres no proof of times and dates mentioned in the above blog from the “anonymous” author? I’m confused on what you want me to justify. I didnt do a FOI of any purchase orders, did you?

  18. 18 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    “I’m confused on what you want me to justify.”

    I don’t know how much simpler I can make it for you. I am not go to reprint (again) Cavanaugh’s letter to the Post just before the election. It has been posted elsewhere on this site at least twice. I am also sure you are aware of it. Then 10 days and one mayor later he completely reversed himself in front of the Council. So not only did he falsely call one of his own a liar, he lied to us about the adequacy of the FD.

    I am only asking you to justify that and demonstrate how lying makes one an effective leader.

    Simple.

    As for your written “proof” that will probably be coming shortly. You should know by now I tend to follow up most everything. But the simpler question would be how are your new boots, turnout gear and gas tanks? If you really are a firefighter you should be able to respond quite quickly, no?

  19. 19 sylvia67

    First of all People, of Stratford Chief Cavanaugh is not as qualified as Ellen Murray. We must not hurt the morale of our employees by going outside the town to hire people. The only time we should do that is if we can’t find a qualified person to do the job within. For this Fire Chief Cavanaugh to write a press release going after Asst. Fire Chief Tom Murray was not only wrong, but the man wishes he has Tom’s I.Q. Tom is very intelligent and I have known him since he was a little boy. He spent a lot of time in my home and at the same time President Bill Clinton was going to Yale’s law school and worked with me for a Senator. He was so impressed with Tom and said this boy is going to go places. Well Chief Cavanaugh I am so delighted that Jim R. Miron lost. It could not make the town happier. We are so happy and we have a mayor in John Harkins who is a peach of a person. I hope he cleans out all Miron’s cronies because they have been covering up a lot from the police chief, town’s attorney, and the rest.

  20. 20 itsaboutthetruth

    Honestly Cavanaughs letter to the post and the “letter” from what you call him “SFD’s bravest I only read each one once, I got from Cavanaughs letter that he was doing his job. The letter in question that he was referring to seemed to show the public was in some kind of danger. Its Chiefs job to make sure that the public is safe which I thought was what he was doing with that letter. You get the job done with what you have.

    Boots, turnout gear and gas tanks. Again this was a problem before Cavanaugh was Chief so why wasnt this an issue before? Who was in charge of getting gear? Why were there so many firefighters needing gear when Chief took the job? Do you know? Who was in charge of buying leather helmets without eye protection which normally come with eye protection 3 years ago? Ill give you a hint, hes one our “bravest”.

    Honestly I dont remember the two letters all that much, I got tired of being referred to being owned by someone else other then the Town of Stratford in one of the letters. I do remember an issue with eye protection being made which like I mentioned earlier that could have been fixed by one of our “bravest”. We did recieve eye protection and ear plugs before any letters were made so when saying we didnt have any in that one letter which I believe was stated, was a lie. And I dont recall Chief Cavanaugh ever calling the one in question a liar in his letter. He might have reffered to it but I do believe it was never stated as such. Speaking of eye protection you remember the big greenish lab safty glasses that you used to wear in high school lab class? The ones that fogged up in a matter of minutes? Well just to let you know way before Cavanaugh showed up here thats what we were given to wear if we asked for them so the glasses that I recieved recently which the above “anonymous” blogger wrote about being good when weeding are a hell of alot better then the big lab glasses from before. Bits and pieces are slowly coming back to me. When the “letter” was written umm was it the same letter I dont know but it stated somthing about a fire chief having to rush into a burning building to save someone and it sort of made it seem to believe that it was a safty concern for the town, umm was it the same letter, there were so many but hearing from guys on scene that night, there was actually a firefighter in full turnout gear right behind the chief ready to go in. Just some facts here so I mean if it was the same letter I dont remember but it could have been but that whole thing was kinda made out to be somthing it wasnt in the letter.

    I see Chief Cavanaugh and Mayor Harkins working fine together, they both want whats best (no personal agendas) for the people of Stratford.

  21. 21 itsaboutthetruth

    “”””First of all People, of Stratford Chief Cavanaugh is not as qualified as Ellen Murray.””””

    Hows that? Please explain. I’m very curious to what your reasoning is.

    “””We must not hurt the morale of our employees by going outside the town to hire people. The only time we should do that is if we can’t find a qualified person to do the job within.”””””

    I agree totally here, hiring within is the best way. But as long as you have qualified people to do the job.

    “””For this Fire Chief Cavanaugh to write a press release going after Asst. Fire Chief Tom Murray was not only wrong, but the man wishes he has Tom’s I.Q.”””

    I dont condone writing any “letters” to any editors. No one should be writing letters.

    “”””Tom is very intelligent and I have known him since he was a little boy. He spent a lot of time in my home and at the same time President Bill Clinton was going to Yale’s law school and worked with me for a Senator. He was so impressed with Tom and said this boy is going to go places.””””

    Very interesting story.

    “””Well Chief Cavanaugh I am so delighted that Jim R. Miron lost. It could not make the town happier. We are so happy and we have a mayor in John Harkins who is a peach of a person. I hope he cleans out all Miron’s cronies because they have been covering up a lot from the police chief, town’s attorney, and the rest.”””

    I totally agree. Chief Cavanaugh in my opinion will work great with the new mayor.

  22. 22 itsaboutthetruth

    Ok I have a dinner to get to. I’m late already. Till next time.

  23. 23 addivdgruy

    If you will recall, just prior to his humiliating loss, Mayor Moron had claimed that he was providing the FD with the day to day equipment they required:

    100 eye shields
    new radios and microphones
    12 sets of turnout gear
    62 air tanks
    100 noise reduction earplugs
    100 pairs of safety glasses
    15 pairs of boots

    So two items have been received and from there this post then goes on to theorize as to what has happened to the other items. Here’s a hint…they don’t have them. So who do we specifically ask why not and get it on the record?
    The mayor’s next open door is Tuesday. Anyone else want to go with me and ask him why not? Or is questioning screen names, offering disingenuous theory, and chasing the bogey man the purpose of this blog?

  24. 24 1george1

    “itsa”
    appears to be articulate and informed.

    I would be interested if the debate stays with facts?

    addvid,
    scored good counter

    jeze,
    points to lies of 2 different stories.
    “itsa” made a counter.

    I may have company in being editted.

    I have yet to be banned.

    But some people appear to have benned themselves.

    This could become an informative debate?

  25. 25 nomorepropaganda

    I will backup “itsaboutthetruth” on his/her statements. Unfortunately Our chief, Chief Cavanaugh, has been put in a tough spot by Soon to be ex-mayor Miron. The letter submitted by the chief to rebut T. murrays letter to the editor in the CT post had to be reviewed by miron before submitting.
    With that, changes had to be made to save face for the dept.
    while its true the “Facts” had been misconstrued the Chief had no choice, do as miron said, or be canned. We on the inside forgive the chief, as he has already done more in the time he has been in office, as the last 2 chiefs have gotten done in the time they have served their terms.
    Dont let the 3 musketeers fool you wordpress bloggers as to how bad the new chief is. The man is a stand up gentleman, and has come with excellent references from our brother firemen in Waterbury.
    If the few that review this site happen to see any Line personnel on the streets, feel free to ask them what they REALLY think, and the responses you will hear will be positive. there are a few that didnt get promoted to the position cavanaugh has obtained, and they are sour about that. Hopefully with the new appointment of mayor harkins, the 3 musketeers that supported him wont get their way to get the chief fired so they can move up. The dept has higher morale now that we have a progressive chief in office, anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to your face.
    I will not be posting much on this blog, but take it from me, a guy on the inside, that sits around the coffee table and listens to the banter at the firehouse, we, are proud of our New Chief and support him, as he is bringing new life into this department and ridding us of the old stratford fire department mentality of no forward progress.
    sometimes a place needs a good douche, and this IS the case in the SFD and we are welcome to it.
    dont take letters for face value, as they are only worth the paper they are written on. what good would the chief be able to do to our department that he wants to do if he wasnt around to do it because miron fired him for not bowing down to his orders to rebut murrays letter showing the dept in a positive light?

    take this as food for thought from just another anonymous fireman on the line everyday protecting you who blog about how bad our new Chief is, when you have never heard him in person explain his future for the dept which is already in forward movement.
    be good guys, and dont let a select few speak for the other 100 guys who will stand up for a fine replacement for former Chief Cybart.

  26. 26 rex525

    itsaboutthetruth and nomorepropaganda I’ve met your Asst. Fire Chief Tom Murray and have a good vibe on human nature, tell me if Mayor Miron asked him to write that letter bashing one of his fellow fireman in the press would he? Or would he go out on a limb and refuse?
    My sense is you’re hitching onto the wrong wagon here.

  27. 27 jezebel282

    Itsa,

    “And I dont recall Chief Cavanaugh ever calling the one in question a liar in his letter.”

    You show an astounding lack of effort with this statement. But please, let me do your work for you:

    (Now, obviously, you can click on the link and read the whole letter, but that may be more than you’re willing to do so I have excerpted parts for you as well.)

    https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/a-town-employee-speaks-out/#comment-8434

    Posted on 28 Oct 2009 ( 6 days before the election)

    “Our current apparatus is older, I would agree, but it is functional, safe and effective.”

    “New fire equipment has been funded at the request of Mayor Miron. Protective eye gear, replacement turn out gear and 36 new portable radios have been ordered for the department. A replacement pumper was purchased and equipped for $197,000 in 2008 as well as funding secured for a rescue pumper.”

    “The negative statements in Assistant Chief Tom Murray’s letter about the Stratford Fire Department are untrue and have cast the department in an awfully bad light.”

    With this link you don’t even have to read. You can watch and listen to Cavanaugh testify that everything he wrote in the letter was false.
    http://www.townofstratford.com/content/1296/1376/3133/15757.aspx

    “Again this was a problem before Cavanaugh was Chief so why wasnt this an issue before?”
    Because no one lied and said they were ordered, that’s why.

    You are making one mistake in your position. This is not about “sides”. It is not about safety procedures and it is not about dedication or loyalty. It is not even about union issues. We do not wish to become involved in High School or Firehouse popularity contests.

    What it is about is lying to the public. It is inconceivable to me how someone who in the end is responsible for our safety can justify lying to us. How can we make important decisions if we do not trust the paid professional that is supposed to tell us the truth?

  28. 28 jezebel282

    Nomore,

    “while its true the “Facts” had been misconstrued the Chief had no choice, do as miron said, or be canned.”

    You are kidding right? The choice was lie to the public or live off the pension from Waterbury and he “correctly” chose “lie to the public”?

    Do me a favor, if my house ever catches fire you just keep “sitting around the coffee table and listens to the banter at the firehouse” and send Tom Murray instead. Obviously he has the balls courage to do what it takes.

  29. 29 phineast

    Nomore- I have to agree with Jez on this one. The hundred other guys you speak of, spoke volumes when they endorsed John Harkins-that to me shows how very disgusted they are with the leadership. The only thing missing is the no confidence vote. If Cavannaugh continues to lie I wouldn’t be shocked to see a vote of no confidence follow. As a citizen I would take Tom Murray as a chief over the current “regime” just because he has the courage to stand up and do what is right. Makes me believe that he actually would risk his life to save another. Cavannaugh on the other hand has demonstrated that he is only interested in saving his own a$$ and would not only sacrifice the public to do so but would sacrifice his own men/women that serve with him. That is hardly a person that commands respect. Then throw in the new assistant/deputy from down south and watch him manhandle his staff like he did when he tried to physically shove Dan Ross out of the way at the council meeting then yank him back over again, not to mention HOW he shouted at council-again not someone in my book that commands respect(don’t even bother to say it didn’t happen, I was there and watched the entire thing with disgust). So introduce us to the 100 guys that think Cavannaugh is a stand up guy–prove it.

    Itsa- What you have said with regard to” no letters should be written”, is equal to Jimmy’s “gag” order that he put out to all departments his first 5 seconds in office. When you have situations that are a safety issue that NEED to be addressed and you have an unresponsive administration or a corruption in the administration or administrative process(just ask the PD-you see how well that worked out over there) there needs to be a mechanism in place to deal with this problem. Sadly, the only way to get anything done under the Miron administration was to bring it to the public arena and shine a light on it. Unfortunately this is what we are stuck with when politics corrupts the hiring practices, and you have a mayor who lacks the maturity, skill and fineness to work through various situations that arise. We the taxpayers have had to endure more than our fair share at the hands of Miron and his very questionable choices for administrators-we have all the crap in the PD with the LO family and the abuse of power in hiring unfit individuals(including Miron’s brother), we have the fall out from the Lo kid’s accident-that continues to cost the taxpayers. In the FD we have continous but unpredictable episodes of equipment failure and lack of equipment in a year where we have already had 6 fire related deaths, and an administration that has lied about the equipment issue-making it impossible to believe anything they say. How do you think Miron or Cavannaugh would react if it was their family that died in a fire due to a pumper not being able to respond due to equipment failure???? What if it were your own family???? I’m thinking that you would have a very different perspective on how things are being handled.

    Rex- itsa and nomore ARE the wrong wagon……they are not just hitched to it.

  30. 30 sylvia67

    itsaboutthetruth only:

    Ellen Murray is most qualified to be Chief of our Fire Dept. She has received numerous awards and is well educated. The only people Miron hired were people that would cover for him and tell bigger and better lies. I have never witnessed such a town government like what we have had for the past four years. Ellen Murray comes from a wonderful family also so she was raised with great values as my children were. I know that John Harkins will hire the best and brightest and make us all proud to live in Stratford.

  31. 31 1george1

    itsaboutthetruth
    nomorepropaganda

    Your nomdblog and writing styles / content are too similar for
    me not to wonder if you are 1 person, with 2 blog names?
    IP addresses are meaningless as I and other could blog from
    Libraries, other peoples computers, and in some case various
    town computers.

    Whatever I read, regardless of the posturing, I read with suspicion.

    Jeze and friends are often, but not always accurate.
    Mironuts, tend to be less accurate or turthful, but often have some
    basis of merit about some of those contended.

    Whether you are 2 people or 1 person, you separated the fire chief
    from Miron, which counts for something. I am not sure what? 🙂

    I do agree that tons of problems happened before 4 years of the
    mIRON CURTAIN.
    – However Dick Burturla has suckled a minimum of $ 150,000 a year
    since 1996, and he and Dick Miron have been thicker than theives!
    – The Republicans controlled most of the Town Council Budgets
    since the 1980s. The Town Council control the purse!!!!

    nomore = referece to a douche is analygous to my calling for an
    enema of politics.
    Stratford
    CT.
    USA
    WORLD
    All the same. Power attracts abuse = attracks scum bags.

    Syl,
    I like Tom Murray. If I had a union issue, he is the most impressive of
    any of the reps for personnel and department. I believe he and Joe
    McNeil have the capability to REP the GENERAL POPULATION over
    their self interest and departmental interest. However, for now, they
    wear their hats and rep appropriately, from what I observe.
    Tom’s wife Ellen appears to thoroughly deserve her recent award.
    She appears to be very intelligent and capable.

    If I was Mayor, I am NOT sure I would pick in-house persons for Fire Chief,
    for a variety of reasons.
    One of the worst reasons I can think of is to place anyone in a position
    of trust, profit, or power that I knew people since they were children.
    Conversely, I am not sure that I would not pick in-house people for Fire Chief,
    Plice Chief, PW, Management, Town Hall, and others for a variety of reasons.

    Most importantly is that Town and BoE have been BRIBED and will have to
    want to willfully sacrifice for the good of the town and themselves, in a
    NEGOTATED FORMAT which is WIN – WIN – SHORT and LONG TERM.

    Syl,
    The selection of Transition Team persons and Town Attorney will SHOUT
    VOLUMES about the FUTURE based on HISTORY.

    =>

    Phin
    I do not disagree with your post.
    I believe you have the self image and integrity to admit, you do have
    some bias / prejudice within your post …. as do we all.

    =>

    Jeze
    Has a mixture of integrity and ability to color information, such as
    the postings related to HARKINS campaign contributions, compared
    to MIRON’S

    What was the final count on money spent for Mayor.

    I spent under $ 400.
    I painted MAYOR on about 40 old Town Council District 3 signs.

    About 10 days prior to the election, I drove past Matt’s house
    and that part of the District, which I had not even tried to walk.
    I knew Matt’s family’s long time community involvement would
    help him. Matt is a Vet. Matt was able to Walk door to door.
    Matt comes across as real people.
    I fear Matt will be entrapped by the Norm-Camilla-DeCilio-Cabral-Kelly
    -Bishop-Burturla-Miron-Schirillo crew.

    Politics is like Casino gambling.
    Eventually the house always wins.

  32. 32 tommurray13

    TO REBUT- “itsaboutthetruth”:

    “itsaboutthetruth”-“The fact is that just about all of the SFD respects and thinks that Chief Cavanaugh is going to do the right things that past chiefs couldnt or didnt care enough to do for the SFD”.

    T.M. rebuttal- – I have been a loyal member of the Stratford Fire Dept. for 23 years and have seen much progress in our Department under the past two Fire Chiefs administrations. It is obvious by the above comment made by the author (under the false bravado of anonymity) is from a firefighter who was either not employed here at the time, one who was not paying attention or one who is influenced by their own personal prejudice.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “It’s the same two or three individuals that constantly try to bash this guy (Cavanaugh) cause he didn’t fall into their trap. The wine and dine didn’t work on him (thank God)”

    T.M. rebuttal- I have not personally heard any Officer in the Department openly “bash” Chief Cavanaugh in front of their subordinates, I can’t say that it has never happened, but not in my presence or I personally would have stopped it. Speaking for myself in my capacity as a professional Fire Officer, I have never made ANY negative statement about the Chief in front of; or to any subordinates. Any report to the contrary is patently false. I feel it absolutely unprofessional and would strongly discourage others from doing the same. In my capacity as a union contract negotiator and grievance board member I may have expressed opinions about statements the Chief had made but that SHOULD have been kept confidential and certainly will not be discussed by me here in this forum.
    As far as the wine and dine you refer to, I am assuming you are talking about the one and only time I have ever been anywhere in the Chief’s presence off duty at a non department function. That time was shortly before the retirement of the previous Deputy Chief. The two secretaries in the Chief’s office wanted to go out to dinner with the Deputy before he left and I went as an invited guest just like Chief Cavanaugh to spend time with the retiring Deputy Chief. Just to feed this authors voyeuristic mentality, he may like to know that Chief Cavanaugh sat on the other side of the table outside of my range of conversation range, he paid for his food and drink, I paid for mine. Then, as now, I prefer to keep my relationship with Chief Cavanaugh merely on a professional level.

    “itsaboutthetruth”-“The quickest way for Harkins to lose the support of the fire union would be to get rid of Chief Cavanaugh”.

    T.M. rebuttal- I am very confident that the Mayor- elect would never “get rid of” anyone unless he had concrete, verifiable and good reasons. That being said, I certainly would not be so bold as to get into Mr. Harkins business on this or any other subject that should be handled on the executive level. I will state for the record that I have not, nor would I ever bring up that issue with the Mayor-elect. I know my place in the Town hierarchy, but it’s blatantly obvious that others do not know theirs. As far as throwing around “fire union support”, please spare me. Eleven members (yes, I kept count) OPENLY taking a stand during the election out of eighty seven members does not give this author much bragging rights.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “I’m very new to this blog site but correct me if I’m wrong that above blog at mention has no signed author to it either”.

    T.M. rebuttal- I am also new to this blog site and am posting under my own name, I suggest any more unfounded rumors and speculation any author feels the need to float in my direction should include their real name simply as a matter of honesty and integrity.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “The above blog has specific dates to which things were ordered and when they were not. Correct? What proof of these statements by the “anonymous” author are given? I’m sure a FOI can be submitted to find out exactly when purchase orders are made but I dont see them. Do you?”

    T.M. rebuttal- I can’t speak for the anonymous author, but as for myself, in an effort to clear my public and personal name you can count on me submitting a FOI request this coming week. To this author, feel free to stop by my home or office and I will be happy to share the results with you when they arrive.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “I’m sick and tired like alot of others are in the dept of constant bashing and negativity towards our chief.”

    T.M. rebuttal- Here’s your solution: when that occurs document it and send it up your “chain of command”, there’s a term for unfounded rumors and criticism in the Fire Service, it’s called insubordination and it should be reported so it can be acted upon.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “A few phone calls were made to the Waterbuy FD. I cant tell you exactly how many were done but with the 4 guys from Waterbury that I got a chance to talk to not one had a negative thing to say about Chief Cavanaugh.”

    T.M. rebuttal- I’m sorry, but this sounds so childish, I tried to, but can’t fashion a response.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “So there’s no proof of times and dates mentioned in the above blog from the “anonymous” author? I’m confused on what you want me to justify. I didn’t do a FOI of any purchase orders, did you?”

    T.M. rebuttal- As referenced above, save yourself the trouble, I’ll handle it.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “Boots, turnout gear and gas tanks. Again this was a problem before Cavanaugh was Chief so why wasnt this an issue before? Who was in charge of getting gear? Why were there so many firefighters needing gear when Chief took the job?”

    T.M. rebuttal- FACT- the Training Captain at the time requested and was given assurance that 25 sets would be ordered this fiscal year which started July 1, 2009. During the excessive emergency call volume of the last eleven months since Chief Cavanaugh joined the Department (which should have no reflection upon him personally) I think it’s safe to assume the firefighting gear took one heck of an additional beating. Maybe asking the laid off Training Captain directly may shed some light on this subject for you, I know that there are OSHA mandated records on file that should completely clarify this situation to your satisfaction, I’ll defer that F.O.I. request to you.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “Do you know? Who was in charge of buying leather helmets without eye protection which normally come with eye protection 3 years ago?”

    T.M. rebuttal- That’s an easy one, I was in charge and the reason that the helmets were ordered without eye protection is the fact that we could add BETTER eye protection for firefighter safety at the Department level, from a different vendor. That was the plan when they were originally ordered. however due to the short funding of the Fire Dept. budget in the last few years, that did not come to pass. As referenced in the letter to the editor attributed to me in the Bridgeport Post, I have been fighting for that eye protection for three years and it was only recently ordered after I mentioned contacting OSHA.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “I got tired of being referred to being owned by someone else other then the Town of Stratford”

    T.M. rebuttal- Just to set the record straight on this over emotional manifestation, the term in question “my firefighters” was used by me as a term of endearment like “my friends, my crew, my fellow firefighters” etc. It was certainly not used as a term of ownership. If you personally would not like me to think of you in an endeared fashion please feel free to stop by my office and personally let me know. As far as you being comfortable feeling owned by the Town of Stratford that’s your business. For me, I feel owned by no one or no thing including the Town. I do however feel a deep responsibility to serve it’s residents and my fellow firefighters in the best way that I can.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “We did recieve eye protection and ear plugs before any letters were made so when saying we didnt have any in that one letter which I believe was stated, was a lie.”

    T.M. rebuttal- Please refrain from calling me a liar about anything until you have given me the common courtesy of at least quoting me correctly. I never mentioned earplugs and only referenced the protective eyeshields which I have been fighting for for three years. The last I was told is that they are on order, I’ll count on them when they pass through our door.As far as the new “eyes and ears” go I personally find it humorous that these came shortly after I dropped the “OSHA” bomb. In the grand scheme of things I also personally look at their issuance as a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “it stated somthing about a fire chief having to rush into a burning building to save someone and it sort of made it seem to believe that it was a safty concern for the town, umm was it the same letter, there were so many but hearing from guys on scene that night, there was actually a firefighter in full turnout gear right behind the chief ready to go in. Just some facts here so I mean if it was the same letter I dont remember but it could have been but that whole thing was kinda made out to be somthing it wasnt in the letter.”

    T.M. rebuttal- I wrote that narrative based on first hand accounts from people I talked to who were on scene, not what I heard around the coffee table. I also read a similar account in a local newspaper as quoted by our Fire Marshal. Additionally, there is a strict word count limit for a “letter to the editor”, so I apologize to you for not submitting a complete narrative of the incident based upon your personal needs or desires.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “I agree totally here, hiring within is the best way. But as long as you have qualified people to do the job.”

    T.M. rebuttal- Please feel free to stop by my office and offer your documentation on the qualifications you know of concerning key individuals within our organization, I’m sure your insight will be a valuable asset to personnel decisions in the future, however unfounded personal opinions should have no place in such decisions, so if that’s all you can offer please don’t waste your time.

    Also, a note to the general public, there were no officers in the Department that I know of who were interested in or applied for the position of Fire Chief after the retirement of former Chief John Cybart. That left the Town no option other that to conducted a nation wide search.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “I don’t condone writing any “letters” to any editors. No one should be writing letters.”

    T.M. rebuttal- Feel free to surrender your own first amendment rights- as far as mine, I fought for em, I’ll keep em. That being said I can assure you I will voice my concerns in my own name and in a professional manner where ever and when ever I see fit to protect the citizens and firefighters of Stratford, period!

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “Ok I have a dinner to get to. I’m late already. Till next time.”

    T.M. rebuttal- I hope you enjoyed it, those of us on the Committee worked very hard on it to honor our own, your help would have been gratefully appreciated.

    “itsaboutthetruth”- “Unfortunately Our chief, Chief Cavanaugh, has been put in a tough spot by Soon to be ex-mayor Miron.”

    T.M. rebuttal- I agree, however I obviously disagree with the way he handled it.

    TO REBUT- “nomorepropaganda”

    “nomorepropaganda”-“We on the inside forgive the chief, as he has already done more in the time he has been in office, as the last 2 chiefs have gotten done in the time they have served their terms”.

    T.M. rebuttal- Feel free to forgive whom ever you like, it is your right, however unless you took a poll of the entire Department that I am unaware of; as well as forgiveness being such a personal issue, I suggest you speak only for yourself and let others do the same. As far as your criticism of our previous two chiefs please again read my above commentary.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“Dont let the 3 musketeers fool you wordpress bloggers as to how bad the new chief is”.

    T.M. rebuttal- I’ll gladly accept your label of a musketeer, last I checked they were an honorable group. That being said, as far as the accusation of “blogging on how bad the new chief is” please again read my above commentary.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“there are a few that didnt get promoted to the position cavanaugh has obtained, and they are sour about that”.

    T.M. rebuttal- FACT- There were no officers in the Department that I know of who were interested in or applied for the position of Fire Chief after the retirement of former Chief John Cybart. That left the Town no option other that to conducted a nation wide search.

    Frankly, the only thing that has soured me lately is the cowardly personal behavior of a small minority of my co-workers. I find it hard to believe they are the same people I regularly see performing courageous acts on emergency scenes.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“Hopefully with the new appointment of mayor harkins, the 3 musketeers that supported him wont get their way to get the chief fired so they can move up”.

    T.M. rebuttal- I won’t even dignify that comment with a direct response. I will however offer to you that not everyone has the defective moral compass you may have, which allowed you this kind of assumption.

    For the record, the reason that the firefighters and police officers who stood shoulder to shoulder in support of Mr. Harkins were there was the fact that they thought he was the best man for the job and would act in a fair and moral manner discharging his duties as Mayor. It’s called ethics, look it up.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“The dept has higher morale now that we have a progressive chief in office, anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to your face”.

    T.M. rebuttal- I agree the moral in the Stratford Fire Dept. is extremely high except when it comes to equipment and apparatus. You are entitled to your opinion to as why, in my opinion it is due to the majority of firefighting professionals that swell our ranks ALWAYS performing their duties to the best of their abilities despite who has ever been the figure head of this proud organization. True “esprit de corp” comes from within and learn to spread the credit around to your crew, and your past and present department mentors. Another thing to bear in mind is there is no Santa Clause. We are all human and none of us are the single answer to all of our problems.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“we, are proud of our New Chief and support him, as he is bringing new life into this department and ridding us of the old stratford fire department mentality of no forward progress”.

    T.M. rebuttal- This statement betrays the fact that you must not have much history with this organization. It also brings great discredit upon our predecessors, some of which I had the privilege to work, they were the most inventive, creative and couragous firefighters I have ever met. Maybe you need to talk to some of the retired veterans of this organization to see how the Stratford Fire Dept. was regarded in years gone by. A little advice to you, this organization got along just fine before any of us arrived and will continue without skipping a beat after we have all moved on.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“dont take letters for face value, as they are only worth the paper they are written on. what good would the chief be able to do to our department that he wants to do if he wasnt around to do it because miron fired him for not bowing down to his orders to rebut murrays letter showing the dept in a positive light?”

    T.M. rebuttal- Feel free to take anything I sign my name on at face value; and to answer a post by Rex525: NO, I would never write a letter or let one be written in my name which defamed anyone for political (or any other) reason regardless of the consequences.

    “nomorepropaganda”-“take this as food for thought from just another anonymous fireman on the line everyday protecting you who blog about how bad our new Chief is, when you have never heard him in person explain his future for the dept which is already in forward movement”.

    T.M. rebuttal- Take this from a serving firefighter with enough conviction to put his real name on his opinions: some people want to believe in something so bad it clouds their judgment. As for me, I have found it more productive to sit back and see who talks the talk and who walks the walk.

    In closing, I’d just like to say I hope the majority of my fellow firefighters from Stratford have the maturity I give them credit for and do not feel the need to join in or continue this discussion. Venting non-sense around the coffee table is bad enough, spewing it out in public puts it at another level and does not bode our organization well. For those that can’t help themselves, leave me out of it unless you have conviction enough in your beliefs to use your real name. Better yet come address the issue in person like a man like your predecessors would have.

    There are those that may take the discussion statement as a sign of hypocrisy on my part simply by my posting this message, we will have to agree to disagree on the subject. I felt that since I was personally addressed it warranted a personal response, especially in front of my family who have endured the brunt of recent false public allegations. I also felt the need to clear the air for the many residents I personally know in my hometown of Stratford.

    I do not anticipate being a regular poster on this site so please do not expect any further responses. I have taken part of another precious day away from my youngest son in writing this and do not wish to donate more time to the subject.

    Thanks for the kind words from the majority of posters on this site in the past few weeks, they were greatly appreciated. I did not expect to be thrust into the limelight during the current election. The one and ONLY reason I became so involved was because I felt in my heart it was the right thing to do for all parties involved. Agree or disagree I stand behind my decisions and have no regrets.

    Phineast, you are correct in that- I have not and would not hesitate, Mrs. G. you are a dear, dear friend, I’ll stop bye and see you soon.

    To close I would like to state for the record that neither my wife Ellen or I HAVE ANY INTEREST in being Chief or Deputy Chief of this Department. As far as I am concerned those positions are filled and if they ever became vacant in the future I wouldn’t consider either of them for anything. I am a firefighter first and foremost and frankly would be more comfortable going backwards instead of forwards. There was a time when Ellen was interested in the Deputy position but I feel with all of the chaos she no longer would consider it, no matter what. George, thanks for the nod but I would not consider running for Mayor either. Sorry Jez, thanks for the offer of a room but I’m quite comfortable with my current arrangement.

    We are at another cross roads in our Town as well as our Department. There will always obstacles to overcome of course, but I look forward to the better days looming on the horizon for all of us.

    Very truly yours,

    Tom Murray
    A proud civil servant of Stratford

    PS- “13” is just my badge number, no hidden meaning in case anyone (George) was curious.

  33. 33 sylvia67

    rex525 on November 21, 2009 said:

    itsaboutthetruth and nomorepropaganda I’ve met your Asst. Fire Chief Tom Murray and have a good vibe on human nature, tell me if Mayor Miron asked him to write that letter bashing one of his fellow fireman in the press would he? Or would he go out on a limb and refuse?
    My sense is you’re hitching onto the wrong wagon here.

    Sorry rex525, knowing Asst. Fire Chief Tom Murray as well as I do he would leave the fire dept. if Miron asked him to write such a letter. He is not that kind of a person and to keep your job just to satisfy Miron is not a good head of any dept. He has to be removed. Jay Cybrat was the best!
    That fire chief should have refused he needs Tom Murray not Miron and now it has been proven. Shame on the chief and I would never ever trust him either and I am sure Tom knows better. I am very supportive of the firemen and policemen. We have the best!!

  34. 34 phineast

    Tom, well said. You are a man of integrity, thank you for serving in our town.

  35. 35 phineast

    George, you are right that I have some bias in my post, but probably not what you are thinking. My bias is that every single person that lives and works in this town should be safe to live and work and treated with respect. It is really very simple. Basic integrity, follow the rules..provide the proper equipment or qualified and healthy workers to provide the services that we work so hard to pay for. That is my bias, plain and simple.

  36. 36 1george1

    As noted in past posts, if I were in a town union, my # 1 choice for rep would
    be Tom Murray, who replied item by item with plain, clear, and evident facts
    and opinions. No double talk. No taking positions inappropriately.

    The # 13 is an honored # in US History related to 13….

    For the balance of George’s treatise on the Cabala and the number 13 go to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/georges-page/#comment-9043

  37. 37 jezebel282

    TomMurray13:

    “Sorry Jez, thanks for the offer of a room but I’m quite comfortable with my current arrangement.”

    Sigh….maybe you can just send 5 or 6 firefighters with hoses and rakes to clean the college kids room? They can keep all the ping pong balls they find.

  38. 38 jezebel282

    George,

    “What was the final count on money spent for Mayor.

    I spent under $ 400.
    I painted MAYOR on about 40 old Town Council District 3 signs.”

    And what was the number of votes you got again?

  39. 39 1george1

    Jeze,

    I think I got about 86 – 89 votes more than anyone who has blogged except:
    Matt
    Gavin
    Best

    And if I was not in the Debates, there are some people who
    tell me that Miron may have been re-elected.
    Harkins did better on tape than in person.
    Dom did not do as well as he thinks he did.
    Jim Miron dominated the first 4 debates, but I think he was
    not as sharp on WICC or News 12.

  40. 40 ronmoreau

    Itsa,

    “Ron do you know who the author of the above blog is?”

    Yes,I know who Jesabel is.

    The only thing I can say about Jezabel is , she is loyal.

  41. 41 ronmoreau

    George,

    Like you said, on another thread.

    ‘Ya got to throw Jez a bone once in a while.’

  42. 42 ronmoreau

    tommurray13,

    Thumb’s up.

  43. 43 1george1

    Sorry Ron,
    I forgot to give you and Mr. Fahan props for getting
    more votes than I did.
    > You use your own name.
    > We suspect Jim Miron has posted too… but ??

    I teased Linda Palermo, that I was mad at her, bacuse
    she got more votes than I did too.

  44. 44 ronmoreau

    George,

    Everyone, who ran in the last election, got more votes than you.

    Wether we loose by 1 or 7,000 votes.

    We still lost.

    In the whole scheme of things, does it really matter?

    ….or is it a George Bailey kind of thing?

  45. 45 jezebel282

    George,

    “And if I was not in the Debates, there are some people who
    tell me that Miron may have been re-elected.”

    No one has a better opinion of you than you.

  46. 46 jezebel282

    Update:

    According to the Town Website (who knows how accurate that is?), Airpacs and radios have been put out to bid. Nothing indicates that they have been ordered however.

    Care to guess the low-bidder after the airpacs were re-bid?

  47. 47 1george1

    No good deed goes unpunished.

    Most of the bloggers and readers remain anonymous.
    Some were not.
    Some anonymously take shots at me.
    I pointed out I got more votes than they did.
    I overlooked a few people who do not post anonymously
    and gave them props for getting more votes than me.

    Now I am called ego centrix and wannabee George Bailey.
    That’s OK.

    However I still give props to those who are not anonymous
    and got votes.

  48. 48 ronmoreau

    George,

    Take note that I said WE lost in the last election. You AND I.

    I also said, “In the whole scheme of things, does it really matter? ….or is it a George Bailey kind of thing?”

    Meaning… Things in Stratford could be a whole lot worst if all of us just stood by and didn’t express our opinions. Our input DOES matter in the whole scheme of things.

  49. 49 mikereynolds

    George wrote:

    “I think I got about 86 – 89 votes more than anyone who has blogged except:
    Matt
    Gavin
    Best”

    Or you could look at it this way….You only got 86 more votes than anyone who didn’t run.

  50. 50 1george1

    Ron + Mike Thank you.

    I take the good with the less good, and MIKE you EXACTLY HIT the REAL
    PROBLEM, that the unaffiliated do not run.

    Ron, it would be nice if the USA could awaken and be like the George
    Bailey type of thing.

    Even the people in the parties have no IDEA of the DAMAGE done by the
    creatures who control the D + the R/

    Over 60 year period and extra $ 1 Billion in Pensions Obligated unless
    repudiated as expected and a waste of over $ 1 Billion on extra and
    unnecessary Insurance costs, thanks to friends of Norm + Burturla.

    Over the past 15 years, ECS lost $ 83 million and other UNFUNDED
    MADATES lost another $ 150,000,000.

    MIRONUTS increase BOND DEBT 25 % from $ 161 million to $ 204 Million.

    Mironuts Pension obligation is $ 18.4 Million.
    1990 – 1995 it averaged # Million

    Since 2002 Pension repayment was $ 82 million adding $ 37 million pension
    short fall deposit.
    Another $ 90 million is obligated until payoff in 2017.

    There have been over 30.000 lost jobs since 1960s between Sikorsky,
    Avco, Raymark, Dictaphone, Dresser, Contract Plating, Tilo, Machine Shops,
    Bargain News, Mobil Chemical, Dianon, Coke, American Frozen Food,
    Town Fair + Lanes.

    Mike R, if you live in Stratford, would you rather pay 18 Mils or 30.3 Mils?

  51. 51 jezebel282

    Update:

    “Stratford officials urge outgoing mayor to sign emergency order for new fire trucks
    By Richard Weizel
    STAFF WRITER
    Updated: 11/23/2009 11:18:29 PM EST

    STRATFORD — Fire officials and the Town Council Monday night urged outgoing Mayor James R. Miron to reconsider his refusal to sign an emergency order for acquisition of two new firetrucks for little more than the price of one — a “bargain deal” they said will likely be lost if the town doesn’t act quickly.

    The problem was, the lame-duck mayor was not present for the second meeting in two weeks involving the emergency order….”

    “Not present”? Is Mayor Moron still collecting his $1730/week paycheck?

    The council can simply pass the ordinance and override Moron’s veto of it.

    The Council shall have the power to make, alter and repeal resolutions and ordinances(a) relative to the regulation of the various departments;(b) relative to the acquisition of real or personal property, within and without the Town, by purchase, gift, devise, condemnation, lease, contract or otherwise;

    And where was Fire Chief Cavanaugh? Not present as well, of course. But then why would a Fire Chief be interested in life saving equipment? Oh right…that’s his job.

  52. 52 phineast

    Miron will always be an immature, vindictive, self serving failure. He is too ashamed to show up at Council, he is too vindictive to authorize the purchase of the fire trucks, and he is definitely too immature to rise above his personal loss and do what is right simply because it IS the right thing. If he thinks he’s coming back in 2013 he is also an idiot-we will be reminding everyone how he put people’s lives in jeopardy on multiple occasions—he just doesn’t get it-we don’t forget things like that, nor do we forget lying cheating and stealing. So jimmy-keep on clucking like a chicken…or is it a turkey? You were beheaded in the voting booths and Stratford residents ARE VERY THANKFUL!!!

  53. 53 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    Isn’t Joe Kubic the Deputy Mayor?

    Can’t he just declare an emergency, in the Mayors absence?

  54. 54 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “Isn’t Joe Kubic the Deputy Mayor?”

    No.

    There is no “Deputy Mayor”.

    Kubic is the Council parliamentarian.

  55. 55 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    I seem to recall that there was some discussion, by this council, about appointing Joe Kubic as Deputy Mayor.

    I though that, that had happened.

  56. 56 jezebel282

    Ron,

    Sorry….

    In the event the Mayor is temporarily absent or temporarily medically impaired and is, because of such absence or impairment, unable to communicate with the Chief Administrative Officer or unable to perform the duties of the office of Mayor, the Chairman of the Council shall become Acting Mayor. In the event the Chairman of the Council is unavailable, and until such time as the Chairman of the Council becomes available, the Council Chairman Pro Tempore shall become Acting Mayor. The Acting Mayor shall assume the office of Mayor, and shall possess all of the powers of the office of Mayor, except that he or she shall not have the power to terminate or permanently hire any director or department head, shall not have the right to break ties of the Council, and shall not have the right to veto any ordinance passed by the Council, and shall perform the duties of Mayor until such time as the Mayor is able to resume the office of Mayor. The Council Chairman or Council Chairman Pro Tempore, while serving as Acting Mayor, shall retain their Council seat and all rights associated therewith.
    Any person assuming the office of Mayor pursuant to Section 1.3 (a) for a period of greater than forty-eight (48) consecutive hours shall receive compensation in an amount equal to the pro-rated salary of the Mayor then in effect, retroactive to the first date of such service.

  57. 57 ronmoreau

    Thanks for the clarification.

  58. 58 1george1

    Joe Kubek is an attorney and was on the first CRC.

    He had not one but two books he reviewed from Carol’s office
    when the discussion was going on about whether or not the
    Town Council has emergency powers to buy the fire truck

    Esq. Burturla became present after an executive meeting on
    another issue. He claimed the Town Council lacked Charter
    Authority, which Jeze contends it has.

    Let’s suppose Jeze is correct.

    Then either Esq, Kubec the Town Council perlimentarian and
    expert on the Town Charter is either not a very good lawyer…

    OR

    Esq. Kubec is a LIAR and the whole thing was an ACT?

    NOT A GOOD NIGHT FOR THIS BLOG

    HEADS -> Jeze is correct and Esq. Kubec he is a LIAR and the whole
    thing was an ACT?

    TAILS -> Jeze is incorrect and Esq. Burturla is correct.

    ->

    Why NO EFFORT to create a NEW CHARTER REVISION COMMISSION?

  59. 59 mikereynolds

    Why don’t you start a petition for a new charter revision commission?

  60. 60 1george1

    Mike,

    I could not physically go door to door walking for political office.

    Isn’t it about time YOU did something for the Towns’ people?

  61. 61 mikereynolds

    I did do something for the Town’s people….I voted for Harkins.

  62. 62 ronmoreau

    George,

    Your analogies never cease to amaze me.

    Esc. Kubics opinions, are just that, opinions. That doesn’t make him a liar.

    If I’m not correct, the town attorney. has sole authority to interpret the charter.Town Attorney opinion, is just that, an opinion. Until someone challenges that opinion, in a court of law, it stands.

    Are you willing to challenge an opinion of the town attorney in a court of law?

  63. 63 cstratct

    Ron, even when the town attorney does rule on something in several cases the Town Council has ignored the opinion without challenging it in a court of law.

    They ask for an opinion they simply ignore it, then have to backtrack when it turns out the opinion was correct. Remember the salary increase for the position of Mayor?

    What is the point of having a town attorney at all if the Town Council is simply going to ignore his opinions? That entire fiasco with the salary increase could have been avoided had they just adhered to the opinion given to them when they asked for clarification.

  64. 64 ronmoreau

    Chris,

    Expressing an opinion different from someone else does not make you a liar.

  65. 65 cstratct

    Ron,

    I didn’t even use the word liar. I’m not accusing anyone of lying. That’s George’s ongoing tirade.

    I was referring to your point that the town attorney has the sole authority to interpret the charter.

    Even when the town attorney has been asked to provide an opinion the Town Council ignored it and went charging ahead, only to have egg on their face when it turned out the town attorney’s opinion was correct and the Council had to backtrack.

    That has nothing to do with lying. Stubborness or arrogance yes but not lying.

  66. 66 jezebel282

    Chris,

    It has to do with a weakness in the Charter. As long as a Town attorney only answers to a mayor it becomes possible that the Town Attorney will never find case law to cite while defending the position of the Council…or a citizen.

  67. 67 ronmoreau

    Chis,

    Had the council challenged and won any opinion, of the town attorney in the courts, they would not have egg on their face.

    I don’t believe any of those opinions have ever been challenged in the courts.

    Having sat on the council, I know that seeking an opinion is a way to put something on the record for future use. It doesn’t mean we have to follow it.
    There are many things that come before the council that are not made public, such as discussions held in executive session. Some of these discussions influence the decisions we make.

    May I suggest that you sit in that seat before you ‘second guess’ the decisions the town council make.

  68. 68 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    ” It has to do with a weakness in the Charter. As long as a Town attorney only answers to a mayor it becomes possible that the Town Attorney will never find case law to cite while defending the position of the Council…or a citizen.”

    I agree.

  69. 69 cstratct

    Maybe in some cases jezebel, but sometimes the Charter clearly states the procedure. Case in point the attempted pay raise for the Mayor’s position. How hard is it to understand this:

    “The Council shall fix the salaries of the Mayor and of all Council or Mayoral appointees. Prior to the first day of July during the year in which the regular election of the Mayor is held, the Council shall approve by ordinance a salary for the Mayor, to be effective with the commencement of the Mayoral term next following the election. The Mayor’s salary shall not be subject to any further interim increase or decrease during said term of office.”

    It’s not about defending the position of the Council or the Mayor. There is a clear deadline. The procedure for adjusting the salary is spelled out simply and clearly. It’s not about finding case law to defend a position. In this case it appeared as if the Council just didn’t care what the Charter said, regardless of the opinion of the town attorney or the ACTUAL Charter language itself.

    This is just one example. The Town Council ignored the opinion, despite the fact they should have been able to read the Charter for themselves and understand that what they were doing was not possible. That’s the stubborness and arrogance to which I’m referring.

  70. 70 cstratct

    Ron, with all due respect, each individual has a right to question the policies, procedures and actions taken by his/her municipal government. I don’t have to “sit in the seat” in order to understand when an ordinance violates the Charter. And in this case it had nothing to do with an executive session.

    In order to change the Mayor’s salary, the Town Council has to approve an ordinance amending the salary before the first day of July during a Mayoral election year.

    They passed the ordinance with an amendment and scheduled the second reading for July 1. It’s not difficult to understand that July 1 is too late, especially when the Charter specifically states the salary adjustment has to be approved prior to the first day of July.

    Not to mention the fact that the ordinance included a clause to increase the salary each subsequent year by 2.5%. That clearly goes against the last line in the Charter statement that the salary “shall not be subject to any further interim increase or decrease during said term of office.” Under this ordinance the salary would have been subject to an interim increase.

    It was an attempt to circumvent the Charter.

  71. 71 cstratct

    By the way, the ordinance was passed on June 29. Are you going to try and tell me that this wasn’t a last minute attempt to circumvent the charter?

    Why not simply approve this increase in the Mayor’s salary during the budget negotiations? Oh right, wage freeze.

    Again, why the last minute hail mary?

    Not to mention where would the money for that increase be coming from in the budget?

  72. 72 jezebel282

    Chris,

    I’m confused…

    “Case in point the attempted pay raise for the Mayor’s position. How hard is it to understand this:”

    I thought the case in point was two firetrucks.

  73. 73 cstratct

    Jezebel, this particular “discussion” reached beyond that when it veered off into charter revision and the questions about the town attorney opinions.

    With respect to the fire trucks, from what i’ve read it is a desperate situation and action needs to be taken.

    I do question the purchasing the two “demo” trucks, especially if they don’t meet the town’s needs and require additional equipment. What is the life expectancy of the “demo” trucks? Getting two trucks for slightly more than the price of one is only a good deal if we’re not going to have to invest significant sums to get them up to the standards needed for our FD requests and we won’t have to worry about the reliability of the trucks we’re purchasing over the next three to five years.

    In this case I think the Mayor should declare the emergency to fast-track a purchase.

    I do hope that the next Town Council is more forward thinking and puts the town on a schedule to update our public safety apparatus so that this type of circus doesn’t continue to occur. It appears this merry-go-round with fire trucks has been going on for some time, not just the last two or three years.

    I still don’t understand why there wasn’t a schedule in place to turn over equipment in order to keep our public safety apparatus up-to-date. We shouldn’t even be in this position to begin with, and it appears this problem has been a long time in the making, with the Mayor, current Town Council and past Town Councils bearing the responsibility for the debacle.

  74. 74 cstratct

    By the way, where are the additional funds going to come from given the budget restraints our town is currently experiencing?

  75. 75 1george1

    Are you willing to challenge an opinion of the town attorney in a court of law?

    I believe EVERY JUDICIAL, LEGISLATIVE, + EXECUTIVE profit from CRIME + WAR!

    DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY

    EVERY JUDICIAL, LEGISLATIVE, + EXECUTIVE profit from CRIME + WAR!

    We are just part of their food chain. 😦

  76. 76 jezebel282

    Chris,

    “By the way, where are the additional funds going to come from given the budget restraints our town is currently experiencing?”

    Perhaps the savings we realize by not using Berchem Moses & Devlin?

  77. 77 1george1

    As long as I am going to tirade, I might just as well have some fun.

    And ron, either Kubec is competent or incompetent when it comes to
    the town charter opinion, or “possibly” he was lying?
    happy? 😉

  78. 78 cstratct

    Humorous jezebel, but hardly constructive. It’s an honest question with no clear answer at the moment. If these trucks are going to require additional funds in order to placed into service, where is the money coming from?

    And since we have no indication (unless I missed something) we don’t know who the new town attorney will be, do we? Nor do we know how much we’ll be paying for their services. So while your sarcasm may elicit a chuckle (and nothing more) it doesn’t negate the seriousness of the financial issue concerning the situation.

  79. 79 jezebel282

    Chris,

    “So while your sarcasm may elicit a chuckle”

    You think it’s easy coming up with these?

    From what I gather, there is about a $100K modification requirement. Since I am not allowed to look at the Town books, neither you nor I can determine where the money might come from. If we can come up with $40,000 worth of flowers in October alone, $100K doesn’t seem impossible.

  80. 80 1george1

    Chris,

    The Town Parties have the PUBLIC TREASURY and there is so much SLUSH
    in the BUDGET there is always a puddle in the Library reference section.

    The FIRE TRUCKS were BONDED for $ 800,000, so it is not an issue of where
    to find the bulk of the money?

    Amazingly there was a cost of $ 5,000 extra and an added $ 100,000 for
    Equipment for these HOT DEAL FIRE TRUCKS, which are BEING BOUGHT
    DIRECTLY from the FACTORY and shown at our feindly dealer DEALER, with
    everyone trying to make it appear that DEALER will not get Commission.
    – Except Jeze, who noted Finder’s Fees are OK, even though there was an
    arrest about 10 years ago related to FIRE TRUCK BID. 😉
    – If the people getting the finder fee was named Miron …
    OH MY…..

    In a BUDGET with $ 177,000,000 … and PENSIONS to 590 People for
    $ 17.4 million annually, when they averaged $ 3 million 1990-1995.

    $ 100,000 for FIRE EQUIPMENT, that probably really should cost $ ??,???.

    I do not know of any legitimate reason these trucks were not bought
    years ago, for the SAFETY of FIRE and PUBLIC..

    However there appears to be something wrong with the STEERING?
    Right Jeze?
    Right Ron?
    Right Phin?
    Right Mike R?

  81. 81 phineast

    CTSTRAT,
    There are still flaws in the charter. The town attorney section is one of them. The residents and Council gained a little ground when the change of the mayor nominating a town attorney but needing council approval in order to be town attorney. When you look at the composition of that particular commission there were 3 attorneys on it and a ‘firm’ in addition to the town attorney advising so the odds of a substantive change occurring were slim to none. The council ALWAYS has the right to seek a second opinion if they feel that they are not receiving proper representation. They should NOT have used Joe Kubik as a member of council for legal opinions-they should have done it in a more formal manner.
    There are several areas that I am of the opinion that Mr. Butrula made improper advise and declarations. One is Pirhala Farm. The document of an operating agreement would have been valid IF the council had designated a use for the property. But that had not been done before the time of execution of the agreement which in effect made that agreement invalid. Council has full purview over how town land is used and that is very clear in the charter. The mayor violated the charter on multiple occasions. Another example-with holding the information requested by Councilman Forrester. A clear and brazen violation.
    The error made by council with regard to the salary increase was out of for lack of any other possible reason, stupidity. They definitely tried to figure out how to fix their mistake(who wouldn’t?) but they could not. I don’t care what their motivation was for wanting to increase the salary-it didn’t happen. So your implication that the only ones that attempt to circumvent the charter are councilman is absurd-you asked how hard it was to understand-it was obviously a bit too hard for Mr. Hendrick, which ultimately ends up saving the taxpayers about $140k over the next 4 years over what was proposed. I can live with that kind of mistake. As far as stubbornness and arrogance there was more of that in the chamber starting with the mayor and town attorney and it went right around the council for the most part, that was not exclusive to council.
    With regard to the fire trucks, a thorough and detailed prospectus was given to Council and the public and has been aired on channel 79-for further details you can read the minutes and talk to Danny Ross. The money can come from a number of places and reducing the amount of deputy chiefs in the fire department could pay for part of it…add that to the near future savings in legal costs and bingo paid for. That is the simple solution. There are other solutions as well- but how many administrators do you need when you have no fleet?

  82. 82 1george1

    Phin,
    CRC # 1 Esq Miron + Kubec + Williams
    CRC # 2 Esq Florek + Proto + August
    Look to 1989 + 1991 Town Councils + all Attorneys and party Committee leaders,
    to see the people on Town Councils who created or sat on CRC # 1 + # 2

    The charter is of / by / for the attorneys
    Town Committees / Parties

    None of the results were accidental.
    None of the flaws were accidental.
    I was told many of the flaws in advance
    There are people who need to create flawed laws and acts for
    time tabled events and for creating political opportunities.

    It is not important than no one will publically agree.
    Nor is it important who gets the credits.
    Making the situation known and creating transparency ….

    Solutions are plentiful. None include the usual suspects, who caused the problems, so they could be the solutions, while milking the system.

  83. 83 cstratct

    phineast,

    Please don’t misunderstand. I wasn’t implying the town council was the only one attempting to circumvent the Charter. I was using that situation as an example of the town council ignoring the town attorney’s opinion, despite the fact that it seems in this particular case the language in the charter is perfectly clear. In that particular case it seemed to be an attempt to circumvent the charter.

    I agree with you that the Charter remains flawed in several areas. It seems in certain situations it contradicts itself. I think the Phirala Farm issue was poorly handled. I think it was a great idea and the community garden was definitely better then the overgrown weeds that were there for years, but it should have been handled better working with the council.

    And I certainly agree that arrogance was the order of the day at most town council meetings, and it was absolutely coming from all corners of the ring, Mayor and council members. The meetings often became a battle of one upsmanship.

    As for the reduction in the number of deputy chiefs, I’m not sure how much support you would get for that proposal. And since we don’t know who’s going to be the next town attorney or what issues he/she will encounter moving forward, it’s impossible to know if anything will change with respect to those costs, regardless of who is named town attorney.

  84. 84 jezebel282

    Chris,

    “As for the reduction in the number of deputy chiefs,”

    There is one deputy chief. So far as anyone can tell, he sits in his office and reads the newspaper.

  85. 85 phineast

    Jez, when he is not reading the newspaper you can find him in the gym and until the election running around for Jim.

  86. 86 phineast

    Chris, you could get rid of the fd deputy chief and the pd deputy chief and that would more than give enough money to pay the difference in the fire equip. The key difference would be that the pd chief would have to do his job instead of giving all the work to the deputy-though even now the admin captain does most of the work.

  87. 87 1george1

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  88. 88 ddbess

    “With respect to the fire trucks, from what i’ve read it is a desperate situation and action needs to be taken.

    I do question the purchasing the two “demo” trucks, especially if they don’t meet the town’s needs and require additional equipment. What is the life expectancy of the “demo” trucks? Getting two trucks for slightly more than the price of one is only a good deal if we’re not going to have to invest significant sums to get them up to the standards needed for our FD requests and we won’t have to worry about the reliability of the trucks we’re purchasing over the next three to five years.

    In this case I think the Mayor should declare the emergency to fast-track a purchase.

    I do hope that the next Town Council is more forward thinking and puts the town on a schedule to update our public safety apparatus so that this type of circus doesn’t continue to occur. It appears this merry-go-round with fire trucks has been going on for some time, not just the last two or three years.

    I still don’t understand why there wasn’t a schedule in place to turn over equipment in order to keep our public safety apparatus up-to-date. We shouldn’t even be in this position to begin with, and it appears this problem has been a long time in the making, with the Mayor, current Town Council and past Town Councils bearing the responsibility for the debacle.”

    I believe the “DEMO” trucks are built to be shown, just like a demo automobiles. I have been told that these 2 trucks have very low mileage, engine hours & pump hours & have so far spent most of their life PARKED. What I hear is that they would be a perfect fit into the fd fleet. Who said that these do not fit the town’s needs? Was it our MIA moron? Consider the source.
    The extra money the fd asked for would have gone to buy equipment & hose, which are both badly needed. Nothing fancy, just the items that wear out & break during day to day activity. They have NO extra equipment or hose in a store room, getting items replaced is like pulling teeth with the past & current administrations.
    There was to supposed to be a replacement program in place started back in the late 90’s. But, as usual. politics & bad budgets have taken the toll on this program.

  89. 89 genericscreename

    Et al:

    I guess I will post this here, deciding that since there is still so much comment on Miron, Harkins and what has happened, what should have happened and hopefully what will happen, please allow me to offer the following:

    All of the issues over the last four years in my humble opinion could have been avoided had the RTC nominated a credible candidate for mayor. Jon Best and Dominic Costello did nothing more than guarantee that Miron would be our first mayor. I believe that the RTC and Jon Best are to blame for the last four years.

    Now it is time for the RTC working with Harkins to prove he has the ability to right the wrongs, make the tough decisions and begin to re-establish the reputation of the town which has been diminished, not over the last four years but the last 20 years.

    That said, everyone have a great holiday season

  90. 90 jezebel282

    ddbess,

    “Getting two trucks for slightly more than the price of one is only a good deal if we’re not going to have to invest significant sums to get them”
    It is my understanding (from reading the articles) that the cost of the required modifications for both trucks amount to $100K or about 10%.

    “I believe the “DEMO” trucks are built to be shown, just like a demo automobiles.”
    If you are familiar with production lines you would know that it is more expensive to build them differently. Demo cars are sold just like the cars in the lot, they are not built differently.

    “Who said that these do not fit the town’s needs?”
    It would be my assumption that they have extraneous equipment the manufacturer would hope to sell and perhaps they are lacking equipment that is specific to the Town’s needs.

    “Was it our MIA moron?”
    I doubt it. Given his general knowledge we can only assume that he knows they are red and have a siren.

    “There was to supposed to be a replacement program in place started back in the late 90’s.”
    Consider what happened to former Fire Chief Jay Cybart for speaking out about inadequate equipment.

  91. 91 jezebel282

    Generic,

    “All of the issues over the last four years in my humble opinion could have been avoided had the RTC nominated a credible candidate for mayor.”

    It is neither the fault of Jon Best nor Dom Costello that we had Mayor Moron. Although, I am not sure either one wouldn’t have had their own problems. Nonetheless, there couldn’t have been anyone worse than Miron.

    The real reason Miron was able to squeak in with only 34% of the vote was the amount of lying he did. We saw it again in the recent election. Almost nothing that came out of his mouth or that was printed and mailed was true. The first time around, most voters could not believe anyone could lie that much.

    It will be years before anyone understands his motives for damaging the Town as much as he did. Perhaps when he writes his memoirs from his prison cell?

    “Now it is time for the RTC working with Harkins to prove he has the ability to right the wrongs”

    This is the kind of thinking that gets the Town in trouble time and again. Now is not the time for the RTC nor the DTC to do anything. It is our hope that both Town Committees stand down and let the Council and Mayor Harkins work together. We also hope that the DTC can rebuild itself from the ashes Miron left and provide the voters with viable and HONEST candidates in the future. We also hope that the RTC simply takes a vacation and resurfaces again in two years.

    No more games. Enough is enough.

  92. 92 phineast

    Jez, I agree with you with one exception-I do lay a portion of the responsibility of why Miron won on the voters-their apathy and laziness as well as ignorance.

  93. 93 ddbess

    Hey Jez.

    “Getting two trucks for slightly more than the price of one is only a good deal if we’re not going to have to invest significant sums to get them”
    It is my understanding (from reading the articles) that the cost of the required modifications for both trucks amount to $100K or about 10%.

    **You should go back and watch the council meeting that took place when the purchase of these 2 fire trucks was brought foward. The extra $100,000, which is about 8%, is needed for equipment for the 2 trucks; hose, nozzles, tools, etc. NOT to modify them .**

    “I believe the “DEMO” trucks are built to be shown, just like a demo automobiles.”
    If you are familiar with production lines you would know that it is more expensive to build them differently. Demo cars are sold just like the cars in the lot, they are not built differently.

    **If the owner & top people of a new car dealership get a car to drive (usually different models with different options) to drive for a year or so, the car is then put on the lot for sale. It cannot be sold as new, so it sold as a DEALER DEMO!**

    “Who said that these do not fit the town’s needs?”
    It would be my assumption that they have extraneous equipment the manufacturer would hope to sell and perhaps they are lacking equipment that is specific to the Town’s needs.

    **Never assume when you really have no clue! I have been told by more than 1 committee member that these 2 trucks DO NOT have nonessential equipment installed on them by the manufacturer and have the SAME BASIC EQUIPMENT as any one of the pumpers already in service at the fd (except for hose, nozzles, tools, etc.)**

    “Was it our MIA moron?”
    I doubt it. Given his general knowledge we can only assume that he knows they are red and have a siren.

    **We will have to wait and see in 2 more weeks, let the heads start rolling!**

    “There was to supposed to be a replacement program in place started back in the late 90’s.”
    Consider what happened to former Fire Chief Jay Cybart for speaking out about inadequate equipment.

    **Is there more to it?**

  94. 94 jezebel282

    ddbess,

    I am not sure what we are arguing about. It seems to me that 2 pumpers for almost the price of one is not a bad deal. Especially if the only thing holding them up is a mayor’s signature because it violates a bidding process that he never adhered to anyway.

    As for “demo” versus “new”, can we assume that is why we are being offered two and not one pumper?

    As for what happened to Jay Cybart, we only know what happened from the public documentation. Mayor Moron stated that Cybart was involved in some incorrect or “underhanded” bidding process. Our experience with Miron and his aversion to the truth tells us to ignore this. The “charges” came shortly after he testified to the Council at the request of Councilwoman Amy Wanamaker. His testimony embarrassed Miron. That is usually more than enough for Miron.

    The FD was incredibly silent on the whole matter. Would anyone else have handled the whole matter differently? Probably. If it were up to us…..but Cybart is Cybart. He may be a tad stubborn, but he is NOT dishonest.

  95. 95 greghousemd

    just heart that Engine 1 would not start as it was being dispatched to a reported Structure Fire call. So about those “demo” pumpers?

  96. 96 jezebel282

    Greg,

    “would not start as it was being dispatched”

    I gotta ask…..were all the Firefighters pushing the truck while Cavanaugh popped the clutch?

  97. 97 greghousemd

    I just know what I heard on the scanner. The 4 Firefighters from Engine 1 piled onto the Ladder truck, which to my knowledge has seating for more then just the 2 that normally staff the ladder truck. Downside is that you get 1 less apparatus at the scene promptly, less tools, less water, etc.

  98. 98 jezebel282

    Greg,

    “Downside is that you get 1 less apparatus at the scene promptly, less tools, less water, etc.”

    But what of the “bidding process” surely that is more important than lives or property?

  99. 99 phineast

    The only way Miron understands things is if they happen to or directly effect himself or his family. The fire trucks will either have to wait or the council can declare the mayor absent and make their move. Knowing the personalities on the council they will just sit and wait-they don’t need an attorney opinion to declare the mayor absent-they just can’t reach him for 24 hours right? I’m thinking three weeks of absence is a lot more than 24 hours. Declare him already guys and gals..make it your last major statement before you go out.

  100. 100 1george1

    In the past … a couple BLOGGERS wrote to the others that the past
    6 Town Councils (mostly Republican controlled) could have bought
    1 Fire Truck 10 years ago and
    another in the last 5 years.

    Calzone headed the only Democrat Town Council in that time frame!

    THAT is the REAL PUBLIC SAFETY disgrace!!!!!!!!!!

    There are no excuses for letting equipment degenerate.
    Although even relatively new equipment can have “starter”
    or “solinoid” or “battery” or “computer” issues.

    The Town Council had proposed / bonded $ 450,000 for a NEW and
    $ 350,000 for a less NEW Fire Truck combo. MOST money was there!
    With BOND DEBT going from $ 160,000,000 to $ 204,000,000 in 4 years
    under Miron – Feehan & Miron – Henrich, it is not like this is a money
    issue, but a political issue.

    Jeze – I know you know the above!
    Why don’t you ADD all of the PAST Council Chairs to task.
    Henrick < Feehan < Crudo < Calzone < Cabrol < Rose + Miron.
    And I think you should be blaming DICK MIRON + BURTURLA
    more than JIM MIRON on this ISSUE, shouldn't you?

    Unless you have become an apologist for the above list? 😉 8)
    (I will be listening for an explosion and looking for smoke!) 😉

    Instead, these 2 Fire Trucks have become mIRON DEFICIENCIES.


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