Tell Us Again Why the Public Option Is A Bad Thing?

01Mar10

Health Insurance "Benefit".

School board to vote Monday on 2010-11 budget request

Written by John Kovach
Sunday, 28 February 2010 09:10

The Stratford Board of Education will vote on its 2010-11 budget request during a special meeting Monday, March 1, at 7 p.m. at its offices, 1000 East Broadway.
The board’s Finance Committee unanimously forwarded a request for an increase of 5.66%, or $5.208 million, from the fiscal 2009-10 budget.
“Our biggest hurdle is a $4.5 million health insurance premium increase based upon our utilization and claims history,” Board of Education co-Chaiman Gavin Forrester said. “We have contacted other carriers but it’s unlikely we will be able to do much better.”
Removing the higher premiums, Forrester said, the board is asking for an increase from last year of only .057%.

While Forrester said he hoped to lower the figure, he said it cannot be done “significantly, as there is little or no wiggle room. Last year the board cut 18 positions and this year we are cutting an additional two teaching positions net due to changing enrollment numbers.”
The Town Council Ordinance Committee is tentatively scheduled to hold its workshop on the school budget Saturday, March 13, from 9 a.m. to noon at Center School.

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247 Responses to “Tell Us Again Why the Public Option Is A Bad Thing?”

  1. 1 jezebel282

    And if anyone thinks it’s just the BOE, think again. We’ll go through the same struggle on the Town side.

    Companies are also facing 15-39% increases in premiums while the rate of inflation remains near zero. If you wonder why companies are reluctant to hire, here is part of the answer.

    There are 8 million unemployed people who have been subsidized up to 66% by the government for their COBRA payments. How do you pay 33% of your coverage when you are receiving less than 1/3 of your income? Jim Bunning (R-Kentucky) has the Republican answer; “Tough s**t.”

  2. 2 1george1

    Jeze good post.
    Especially the last paragraph.

    Ralph Nader has advocated Single Payer Health Insurance for years.

    Obama has identified Public Sector Cadillac/Rolls Royce Health Insurances
    like Stratford has, which have platinum card coverages which primarily
    benefit the Insurance Agents and people who get referral fees.

    Town Council Financial Advisory Commission member owning 65 person company
    did an analysis of Town’s 450 (?) and Education’s (1000) active workers and the
    retirees under 65 years old. Lets say 65 people vs. over 1500 people?

    Stratford Town – BoE workers + retirees under 65 years old:
    Insurance gross cost over $ 19,000
    Premium paid by employees 11 % to 13 %
    Deductable Low
    BoE gave $ 1100 individual + $ 2200 family more than covering deductable
    IRS allows upto $ 5,000 Tax Deductable in to Health Savings Account annually
    NET COST to TAX PAYERS > OVER $ 17,000 per worker – retiree.
    NET COST to most Town employees: $ 2,000

    65 person company:
    Premium paid by employees 40 %
    Deductable much higher
    IRS allows upto $ 5,000 Tax Deductable in to Health Savings Account annually
    NET COST to Company> OVER $ 7,200 per worker

    Hypothetically, if Stratford Health Insurance, with better buying power
    was able to get superior cost than what Senator Dick Durbin stated in
    January 2010 that in 10 years, Health Insurance cost doubled to $ 12,000
    annually from $ 6,000 annually.

    If NET COST to most Town employees was $ 2,000 on $ 12,000 Health
    Insurance, it would save Tax payers $ 7000 x 1,500 (minimum) workers
    and retirees under 65 or $ 10.5 million or 2.3 Mils.

    Blog readers, would you prefer to pay current 30.3 Mils property tax
    or 28 Mils property tax with a nationally average good Health Care
    Benefit package?

    Who is getting the extra $ 7,000 per?
    Part of it is a better package.
    Part of it is the insurance agents and industry
    Part of it could be referral fees to certain RTC + DTC people.

    The people who provided the BoE Health Savings presented to the
    Town Council Financial Advisory Commission, said to us was:
    “We are here based on the recommendation of Norm Aldrich and
    appreciate Councilman Moore allowing us to present this to you.

    The FAC had a very limited agenda.
    They meet tonight at 6:30.
    Then the Ethics Commission meets at 7:00.
    Same time as BoE meeting tonight.

    Another coincidence?

    Chair of the FAC – Tom Moore.

    Members:
    Tom Moore, appointed by Tom Malloy – James Conners Town Council,
    as FAC Chairman.

    Tom Angelo – wrote the FAC report “no discernable wrong doing.”
    – White was 1/2 the O.T. That which was given by Tom’s bro-in-law?

    Art Stengel – Tom Moore’s neighbor

    Ed Rodriguez – Tom Moore’s campaign manager

    John Fahan – Gavin’s campaign manager 2 1/2 years ago + ran for
    Gavin’s seat, as a (D) supported by RTC.

    Ben Barnes – C.O.O. / C.A.O. Stamford and probably as smart as
    Ben Branyan, but had far greater responsibilities under Dan Malloy
    and now positioned to help the Tom Malloy Town Council.

    I forget the names of others. I bet they live within blocks of each other
    and likely members of a certain Country Club?

    all coincidence?

    There were some god things done by the FAC, like:
    Art Stengel pushing for diversified investments and getting greater
    return on Interest.

    Many of Thomas Angelo’s finding and documentation on the FAC report
    were very well done.

    Ed Rodriguez is genuinely outraged as are others about some findings.

    Ben Barnes is brillian

  3. 3 1george1

    Blog readers, would you prefer to pay current 30.3 Mils property tax
    or 28 Mils property tax with a nationally average good Health Care
    Benefit package?

    Blog readers, the 1998 Pension Bond was supposed to invest and pay for
    the $ 3.8 million annual Pension of 1995 and repay the $ 9.12 million interest
    and principle for 20 years.

    Instead Pension Obligations are now $ 17.4 million adding 3.9 mils to your taxes

    30.3 Mils minus 2.3 Mil “extra insurance = 28 Mils

    28 Mils minus 3.9 Mils = 24.1 Mils

    Blog readers, if we had honest Town Committees, Town Government
    and Town Attorneys do you believe your taxes could not be under
    24 mils or under 80 % of what you currently pay in Stratford Property
    Taxes?

    Suppose AVCO was transitioned in 1992 and Shakespeare in 1983 and
    there was proper and effective transition with lower losses of good
    corporate citizens with lower neighborly property taxes?

    Let’s say Stratford had not lost $ 83 million ECS or $ 200 million in
    unfunded mandates

    Lets say we had no attorney double – triple bidding and things actually
    got done in Stratford, eliminating “ground hog day.”

    Let’s say we did not have to borrow as much, nor pay as much interest.

    Let’s say Raymark dumps and ground water were cleaned and there were
    no health or property value issues, raising / by 200 % – 300 % values in the
    “afflicted 250 acres” and town image?

    Is there any reader who does not honestly and reasonably believe that
    Stratford’s Mil Rate not only could be under 20 Mils?

    Is it completely impossible that more business responding to lower Mil Rate
    and compentent / honest government
    (huge difference in Stratford – right GAVIN?)
    Could Stratford Mil Rate be 15 mils (1/2 what you NOW PAY)
    with good pay – good benefits – good pensions to workers
    and the best basket of Town services in CT.

  4. 4 1george1

    In 2002 the Town Council shifted repayment to Tax Payers.

    There are 2 related cost in the Pension Plan.
    1 – Annual $ 9.12 Pension Bond repayment
    2 – Pension Shortfall, based on Fully Funded scenarios affected by Portfolio
    performance and pension obligations.

    By the end of 2011, the out of pocket Tax Payer costs of
    Bond Repayment
    Pension Shortfall Deposit

    shall exceed $ 200,000,000.

    That is a documented fact to PHIN – JEZE – ANY ONE ELSE!
    I can post the Pension Short fall numbers.
    2002 – 2011 = 10 years = almost $ 92 million Bond repayment.

    Thomas Angelo, a C. P. A. used a 60 year window on cost.
    There are 593 Defined Benefit Pensioners.
    Fire has over 110 more + Police / PW / OTHERS minimum over 100.
    Where Norko got 880 and then 980 Defined Benefit – I dunno?

    I project the 60 year window to under 1000 defined benefit pensioners
    will cost tax payer about $ 1 billion.
    (just 10 years, before new bees, cost $ 200 million)

    I challenge GAVIN, TOM MOORE, TOM MURRAY, and anyone else to
    a BLOG DEBATE about the above FACTS and OPINIONS.

    I would like, what PHIN called …. clarity or clarification ….

    Doesn’t everyone want transparency?

    I do not want anyone jailed or disbarred.
    I can mitigate certain things to help protect certain people.
    However, certain things…..

  5. 5 jezebel282

    George,

    “Obama has identified Public Sector Cadillac/Rolls Royce Health Insurances
    like Stratford has, which have platinum card coverages which primarily
    benefit the Insurance Agents and people who get referral fees.”

    It is not as platinum as it used to be.

  6. 6 1george1

    Jeze,

    It is going to get worse.
    Far worse.

    I am pro union.
    Abuses will cost unions very dearly.
    Backlash!

    Jan 2010 first time in almost century:
    More people in government are in unions than
    people who are not in government.

    Cheney – Bush – Rockefeller – and fiends in both parties
    destroyed oversight in the USA via corruption, graft, bribery
    and stole the USA BLIND

    Communist China is USA (capitalist) Banker with WW II enemy Japan
    as formerly # 3 world economy, now top 5 or 6.

    Communist Russia is USA (capitalist) OIL – GAS partner supplying Natural
    Gas to E + W Europe with WW II enemy Germany as formerly # 2 world
    economy, now top 5 or 6 as another major Trade competitor/partner.

    Which Americans will be able to pay your beloved Public Workers PAY +
    BENEFITS + BENEFITS since their factory jobs OFF SHORE – DOWN SIZE
    due to TRILATERAL and the effects of END of COLD WAR.

    The new GREEN ENERGY PARADIGM in Transportation + Housing is an
    ON the SHELF PROMISE, being withheld.

    Meanwhile, what has been happening to
    THE GREATEST GENERATIONS
    BABY BOOMERS
    LOW INCOME
    FIXED INCOME
    MIDDLE CLASS INCOME
    FAMILIES
    PORTFOLIO INVESTORS

    Jeze – what I have tried to blog in years past, is increasingly relevant,
    to my sorrow, not unlike ancient prophetess cassandra …
    granted gift by apollo, but cursed to not be believed.

  7. 7 jezebel282

    George,

    “It is going to get worse.
    Far worse.”

    Here’s what should happen; the Democrats should grow a set and pass health care reform with a public option. The health Insurance companies can make a very nice living by selling supplemental insurance to anyone who wants to pay for it. Just like they do now with millions of Medicare recipients.

    Health Insurance Companies do not have a divine right to make (obscene) profits at the cost of people’s lives.

    The Constitution provides for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You cannot have the latter two without the first one.

  8. 8 1george1

    Jeze – I concur with your post above.

    And can we kick out Senator Palpatine Lieberman and put
    Rumsfeldt, Cheney, Bush, Rockefeller, parties leaders and
    Supergraders of Sept 2001 on Trial for War Crimes and
    dereliction of duty?

    Where was the COLD WARRIORS air cover?

    How many died in Iran – Iraq from Republican White Houses from the
    Nixon Days over OIL?

    Iran – Iraq OIL off the world market, keeping prices over $ 20 barrel,
    not that we have divine right……

    Those creatures make RTC + DTC look like they have some decency….

  9. 9 cstratct

    Watch out Jezebel, you’re going to lose all your street cred with the R’s who read your blog! 🙂

    Obviously health insurance reform is the epitome of socialism! (said with tongue planted firmly in cheek)

    According to many R’s, healthcare is a privilege, not a right. If you can’t afford to pay, don’t get sick.

    Everyperson for his/herself works so well when these corporations are reaping record profits, doesn’t it?

  10. 10 sudds

    Personally… I’m figuring that I’m going to pay for it either way… so I honestly just don’t care anymore (which I think is what the D’s are hoping for out of us I’s).

    BUT… how exactly is healthcare a RIGHT???

  11. 11 sudds

    Hmm… speaking of which… does anyone know where I can get a voter reg card so I can go back to being an I??? (I forgot to change after I switched to participate in the primaries last year)

  12. 12 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “BUT… how exactly is healthcare a RIGHT???”

    Like I said…it’s that Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness thing. Hard to do when you are DEAD.

    Healthcare is at least as much of a right as, say, bearing arms don’t you think?

    “does anyone know where I can get a voter reg card so I can go back to being an I”

    See Lou Decilio or Rick Marcone in Town Hall.

    CTstrat,

    “Watch out Jezebel, you’re going to lose all your street cred with the R’s who read your blog! ”

    All it takes is voting for one “R” in 38 years and you get creds? The “R’s” sure are desperate aren’t they?

  13. 13 cstratct

    Come on Jezebel, don’t you remember all the talk about the R’s “big tent”? They’re doing their best to welcome new recruits and converts into the fold, what with Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Cheney and others. Isn’t that a diverse group?

    Look, they let Michael Steele run the RNC, what more could people ask for? If that doesn’t prove they have a big tent…then again…”Ryan Sorba, from the Young Americans for Freedom organization’s California chapter, was booed off the stage tonight at CPAC, for deriding CPAC’s choice to have GOProud attend CPAC, even going so far as to say he ‘condemns CPAC”.”

    Oh the irony. But you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of an individual representing an organization with “freedom” in the title. Well, at least they booed him off the stage. I guess that’s something.

  14. 14 cstratct

    “BUT… how exactly is healthcare a RIGHT???”

    Seriously? Are you seriously suggesting that if someone without insurance or resources gets sick they shouldn’t be treated because healthcare is a privilege and only those wealthy enough to afford it should be treated?

    I’m really curious to hear your answer Sudds.

  15. 15 jezebel282

    CSTrat,

    “But you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of an individual representing an organization with “freedom” in the title.”

    Shhhh…don’t tell anyone, but I never switched from French fries either. And Nuits St George is still better than anything grown in the Napa Valley or Chile.

  16. 16 nomoreyears

    Jezebel,

    You’re going NATIONAL on us? Stratford Word Press is going National! I like it. You changed Stratford for the better. Now Jezebel’s going to Washington D.C.

    The national repugnicans are going to throw everything they can against health care reform and other policies that the president will or attempts to initiate. They want to bring him down in the worst. More so than Clinton. Their scorched earth campaign is going to really polarize this country even further. They’ve absorbed most of the TEABAGGERS and are working on the libertarians. Unless the democrats “grow a set” and force this legislation down their repugnant throats, health care reform will die again, and again.

    I really like the repub’s offerings for health care reform. What are they again? Tort reform and?????

  17. 17 nomoreyears

    Sudds,

    Health care isn’t a right but neither was voting due to race and gender. For a little while drinking wasn’t a right either. Thank god congress changed that.

    nomore

  18. 18 jezebel282

    Nomore,

    “You’re going NATIONAL on us? Stratford Word Press is going National! I like it. You changed Stratford for the better. Now Jezebel’s going to Washington D.C.”

    First of all, the voters changed Stratford not me. I only had 1 vote.

    Secondly, all politics are local. If our taxes go up, it will be mostly due to increased healthcare costs. When you don’t get a raise or you get laid off it is because that 15-39% increase goes right to the P&L.

    So far all I can see is Republicans calling for tort reform (that’s malpractice insurance, not healthcare insurance) and letting Insurance companies sell across State lines so they can avoid State minimum coverages (like credit card companies do to avoid State usury laws). Because according to Republicans, billions and billions in profits are never enough.

    (But thank you for the compliment)

  19. 19 nomoreyears

    Jezebel, You’re welcome. It’s a fact, you had a lot to do with the change that occurred in town this past November. You provided a means of communication and were a catalyst even if you don’t believe you are.

    According to a co-worker, there are separate health care plans for municipal workers and the BOE. I don’t have any factual information on the truth of her statement.

    Would the town be able to save money in the short/mid term if it pooled all of its employees together and bought health care in volume? More employees = lower plan costs and lower premiums. Hamden firefighters and teachers pooled together and did this with significant savings.

    We would have to reopen contracts but the savings could be a lot healthier for the town and the town’s employees may get a better health care plan.

  20. 20 phineast

    no more-
    The BOE health care is completely separate for the municipal-just like everything else.
    I have sat back and watched the finger pointing and blame at who is going to sink what and why..it is ridiculous.
    Have any of you read that 1100 page health care bill?
    Didn’t think so.
    Let me know when you do. It is a lot to digest-even the president hasn’t read the entire thing. Why is that???
    Some things need to occur before health care will become a right-1st both insurance companies and hospitals need to become not for profits. Sounds unrealistic-but in actuality it is not-that is how health net started out when it was doctor owned and there are some hospitals that operate as NFP.
    Next there needs to be standardized health care plan levels-like when you go to the store and buy something in a small, medium or large. No pre existing condition exceptions. Though, there absolutely should be surcharge on smokers, drinkers, drug users, and the grossly obese. These are the people that create the heaviest drain on the system. If they insist on doing things that put them at the highest level of risk via behaviors-then it should cost them–after all they have enough money to “burn”.
    Then they can make health care plan options competitive from state to state–it is currently not that way. Did you know there are people that come to the US specifically to get health care? If you are from another country and get sick here-in most cases the debt is forgiven or written off. Why is that? Because they are allowed to add fees to your hospital bill and insurance premiums- So we pay for medicare, medicaid, and all the freeloading freebies and the illegals-and when it comes to us we are the ones getting nailed. Read the bill. Understand the bill. You are thinking in a broad stoke idealist way saying we are entitled–entitled to exactly what-that is the real question. Carte Blanche? I don’t think so.
    And just wait until you see who the preferred provider is for this health care plan is…the one who gave out the biggest bonuses of all–United Health care–they want to turn medicare over to them also…so look out….they write the code books,the write the books that set the prices and now they want them to be in charge of all the health insurance??? Now who is not paying attention???
    It is not a D or an R thing but if it goes through the way it is currently proposed it will definitely be a DNR for the middle class.
    Do I want everyone to have access to affordable health care? Yes. But if you are going to make it a “right” you better have a much clearer definition of what you are including in health care that will not be subject to an insurance carrier’s whim.
    These are things that can be done before balancing the financial burden of health care on the back of the middle class-When you read the bill-you will realize that the money is going to come from the middle class-I don’t know about you but I can’t afford to pay another cent.

  21. 21 cstratct

    Phineast,

    Let’s talk about the health insurance companies. The HMO’s into the 1980’s were primarily not-for-profit. It was the Reagan administration that pushed the not-for-profit health insurance organizations to go for-profit, promising that the market would control costs and make for more affordable and reliable coverage. That worked out great, didn’t it

    As for healthcare, it is already on the back of the middle class. Due to premium increases my contribution just increased $75 per month over what I was already paying. I can’t necessarily afford it either, but I have no choice right now, do I?

    Now I don’t necessarily disagree with the concept that persons engaging in risky behaviors (smoking, drugs) should be charged a premium, but the main problem with this suggestion is how do you police it? Are you going to drug test 300 million people? Are you going to have private investigators follow everyone around to make sure they’re not smoking or drinking? And how much drinking is acceptable? Is all drinking outlawed, or do you have a cap on the number of drinks? Again, how are you going to police that?

    As for people coming here for treatment, what about all the people that drive to Canada or Mexico to buy the same prescription drugs marked up in this country for a third of the cost elsewhere? Our own government isn’t allowed to negotiate for lower prices and seniors are harrassed for buying the same drugs outside of this country. Meanwhile the pharmaceutical companies spend billions marketing drugs that have nothing to do with making anyone healthier, just hornier.

    Finally, if you want a “much clearer definition of what you are including in health care” then what you’re going to get is a bill with lots and lots of pages.

  22. 22 1george1

    Nuits St George ????

    🙂 8) 🙂 8) 🙂 8) 🙂 8) 🙂 8) 🙂 8) 🙂

    I was startin to git upset sinse I aread dis as “NUTS IS GEORGE” 🙂 8)
    LOB ALERT. 😉 🙂 🙂

    Den AH rED da subsjict n da posts o da usual suspects an I wundured
    iffin I was iN a LICE n wUNDER land?

    I was the one always tryin to get people to relate national and state
    issue to Strat-o-ford wit the
    UNFUNDED MANDATES
    HEALTHCARE COSTS
    LOST JOBS affecting TAXES
    OFF SHORED BUSINESSES
    FORECLOSURES
    LOAN SHARK CREDIT CARD RATES
    BIG OIL affecting peoples’ budgets for commuting / heat

    The only time I ever see little green men is March 17 n 18 😉
    On da 18th dey got red eyes wit tooth pick holden dem open!

    I sent Jeze an e-mail earlier about Ralph Nader e-mail.
    I also sent Jeze attachments of pictures of Senators
    Lieberman and Palpatine, who look an awful lot alike….

    There are a ton of things I respect people choose to disagree
    with me about …. it is healthy andnot like I avoid honest debate.. 😉
    not like I don’t stir da pot …

    However, I note Jeze, Chris, myself and others do not seem to like
    Cheney nor havin people cut out from fair Healthcare …

    Senator Dick Durbin stated healthcare cost doubled in 10 years
    1999-2009 from $ 6,000 to $ 12,000

    In Stratford, the cost is $ 19,000, with $ 2000 comin out of some
    premiums and reimbursed in the BoE Health Savings Account.

    As a Tax payer, I prefer a $12,000 policy with $ 2,000 employee
    payment, and saving $ 9,000 per close to 2,000 Town-BoE workers
    -retirees under 65.
    That is $ 18 million or 4 Mils, savings for Tax payers.
    If Pension were solvent instead of $ 17.4 million annual obligate = 3.9 Mils

    All those in favor of saving 4 + 3.9 = 7.9 Mils from 30.3 mil rate, that does
    not go to Mill River Country Club or Berchem castle, please signify by
    raising your hand…..

    ummm .. that did not show up ….

    ok …. can I get an amen, via da key bored?

  23. 23 1george1

    about 2 weeks ago I e-mailed Registrar DeCilio that I heard a vague
    rumor about (violence) a non agenda item for Feb 25 RTC Meeting
    at Mill River Country club.

    DeCilio was unreceptive.
    I have no proof.
    I had nothing definitive and nothing even specific, except I have
    proof I e-mail DeCilio 2 weeks ago, then Harkins and someone else,
    then Bishop with the DeCilio / Harkins sets of e-mails after Bishop
    contacted me after I forwarded the DeCilio series to Harkins.

    Do DeCilio or Harkins have relationships with Mill River CC?
    Does Bishop have dealings with Kelly and with Berchem Castle?
    Pure speculation on my part.

    However I tried to see if DeCilio heard anything, because as a law
    abiding citizen and key person in the RTC, who have members with
    a lot to lose if they somehow were suckered into violence, I felt
    it was best to try to do low key, back channel to see if what I
    heard as a very, very, very vauge – non specific rumor and from
    a series of situations and comments which seemed to flow towards
    a culminating cascade …. I did what little I could do in a town where
    40 % of the police are mIRONasties and they refused to process my
    tire slash complaint and 3 police chiefs refused to investigate deaths …

    My e-mail to DeCilio included questioning whether certain Stratford
    political deaths which were apparently natural, could have passed
    pattern analysis or epidemographical survey because of political
    openings they created, not unlike when GE moved to Fairfield….

    – – –

    I have put more than a little pressure on certain milford law firm
    with connections in Stratford and Bridgeport and their allies among
    police – politicians – business people.

    I feared reprisal against family and friends.

    They could take me out anytime they want, but my impression is
    they want to recreate a perverse ambience like a “book of Job”
    recreation ….. They are sick people who hate religion and hate
    good people…..

    My elderly aunt recently went from assisted living to hospital watch.
    A contractor was hired to work in a politically connected Bpt site.
    Terry Backer’s subcommittee was whacked.
    Sylvia lost her battle with cancer all about the same time.
    March 2 is an election.

    Many people are lined up like puppets, similar to the Mirons were.

    When I market, I have to try to see and project that which is not visible,
    that which is extremely abstract into the mind of a prospect to want to
    meet to possibly BUY.

    I have experienced things to other people, I wish I did not know is true,
    but I can not prove … clearly … plainly …. evidently … preponderantly,

    I do not have pathology or biological toxicology or medical expertise
    to prove apparently natural deaths were not “facilitiated.”

    I can not open a local open police case, nor request FBI D. C. assistance,
    not have the pull to get approval. (I do not expect honest investigation)

    I do not have obscene money to bribe people (nor inclination) using
    public treasury.

    I do not believe violence is fun, especially by cowards from hiding and
    using surrogates ….. Most of the time potential violence falls on the
    puppet knuck draggers and knuckle heads, since the button pushers
    are experienced at hiding themselves ….

  24. 24 phineast

    For Pete’s sake and the sake of our sanity-NOW what violence are you talking about? No long renditions on your conspiracy theory of you family please. We have heard it so many time it’s making US crazy.

  25. 25 jezebel282

    George,

    And now back to our regularly scheduled program….

    Phin,

    I want to be clear here. Any time you get politicians and lawyers involved (not to mention lobbyists with unlimited funds) it is not likely you will get a clear and concise bill to vote on.

    However, one thing is absolutely clear; Health Insurance companies do not provide health. They provide payments from our premiums. It is a gambling business with them as the “house”. They place bets that more people will stay away from medical services than will require them. Because they are the “house” they set the rules. They deny procedures, they deny medications, they deny coverage completely and they raise the “house’s” cut arbitrarily.

    In a monopoly business like utilities there is at least a regulatory agency to whom they must justify rate increases. There is no such mechanism for Health Insurance companies.

    For us (you know, “citizens”?) it is really not a matter of “R” vs “D” or even “free market” vs “socialism”. The government already provides for a military to defend us, roads to travel on, currency to spend, and schools to educate us. Why not government involvement for something as basic as living to enjoy these things?

    Will it be free? Only if you cannot possibly afford it (like now). Will the “middle class” pay for most of it? Probably. They do now.

    The reason we have Medicare is that the Health Insurance companies wouldn’t touch someone over 65 with a 10′ pole. No one could afford the premiums. Ask anyone, go ahead anyone at all, over 65 if they would like to give up Medicare. The answer will be “are you nuts”? And why is that? Because Medicare is affordable and you get the medical services you need.

    As for “involuntary” enrollment, that is nothing new either. If you drive a car you have accepted that since you were 16. It actually coincides very nicely with your “risky behavior” theory. If you are between 16 and 25 and a single male, you pay the highest premiums of any group. This, by the way, is the same group that believes they are also immortal and invincible and are the most likely not to have health insurance.

    We need to change the “house” rules. Obviously it is not working for anyone other than the “house.

    Even if we resolve the Health Insurance crisis, there are other facets we must deal with. Pharma is one of them. Canada has the SAME medications at affordable prices because the whole government of Canada can negotiate prices with Pharma. When was the last time you won an argument with your druggist?

    With a simpler process, doctor’s can reduce their overhead. Those (usually female) people you see behind the counter in the office are there dealing with and trying to get paid by Health Insurance companies. Ironically, they usually get the worst, if any, health insurance benefits.

  26. 26 jezebel282

    Phin,

    Just one more local point:

    “The BOE health care is completely separate for the municipal-just like everything else.”

    You are correct. It has always been thus. Two separate kingdoms. For as much as George has railed against the coverages, it should make him happy to know that the BOE plan is not as it first seemed. The BOE plan is a “high deductible” plan. The Town contribution diminishes greatly each succeeding year to the point of disappearing completely. Coverage under this plan will eventually require each employee to pay out of pocket up to $2,300 (currently, but it is going up) plus premiums in claims before a single penny is reimbursed.

    There are already BOE employees that are paid so little that they cannot afford this coverage and have opted out.

  27. 27 jezebel282

    One more point. Sorry, I’m just on a roll.

    Most people are unaware what the actual costs are for their medical care. They would be shocked.

    Sniffles? Maybe a cough too? You call your doctor’s office (not on a Wednesday of course) and maybe they can squeeze you in in a day or two. So you take time off and go. You wait an hour in the waiting room and finally get called to wait another 45 minutes in an exam room. Finally the doctor, although it’s more than likely it’s a nurse practitioner, sees you. They take your blood pressure, temperature and weigh you and then diagnose you with an Upper Respiratory Infection. They write you a scrip, you pay your $20 copay and head over to the pharmacy.

    Bill to your insurance company? $150 for your 15 minutes of face time.

    You go to the drugstore and hand them your note for your nasal spray and bottle of guaifenesin (Mucinex). You plunk down another $20 copay.

    Bill to your insurance company? $125.

    We have the highest per capita cost of medical care on the planet, yet we rank 28th (28th!) in mortality rate.

  28. 28 1george1

    Jeze is increasingly aware of Town + BoE Healthcare problems – costs.
    Once Jeze focuses on an issue and investigates facts, Jeze is capable of
    unbiased coverage.

    Since 1998 I have made Town Councilors / Attorneys / Managers-Mayors
    Department Heads aware of series + pattern of Deaths, Fires, Accidents
    to Stratford politically connected people which have concurrent and
    confluent clues / modus operendi / political animus / disparity / unique
    knowledge-position to affect people without their knowledge and far
    beyond the working knowledge of ordinary people.

    Phin + Jeze reaction is completely understandable.

    Conversely it proves ….. they were never among those groups,

    Such as was handed documentation January 2010 Town Council
    Meeting to Councilors – Attorneys – Clerk – Mayor – Press.

    I wish I were wrong.
    I wish others who believe there are no “murderers among us”
    were correct.

    I grew up believing in people who run and participate in the
    US Government. I still believe in many good people amng them.
    Even fairly bad people do good things, even for wrong reasons.

    However there are some ….. 😦

  29. 29 jezebel282

    George,

    “Once Jeze focuses on an issue and investigates facts, Jeze is capable of
    unbiased coverage.”

    I have tried to keep the focus of the blog on local Stratford issues, despite your efforts to drag us kicking and screaming into planetary discussions.

    Another reason I do this is simple, some things are just too stupid to discuss. Like Jim Bunning (R Kentucky).

    The NY Times
    G.O.P. Splits on Senator’s Move to Block Benefits
    By CARL HULSE
    Published: March 2, 2010

    WASHINGTON — The effort to end a Senate standoff over unemployment benefits and health coverage for the jobless escalated on Tuesday morning as Senator Susan Collins, the moderate Republican from Maine, became the latest lawmaker, and the first Republican, to try to override the objection of Senator Jim Bunning, Republican of Kentucky.
    …The impasse has threatened transportation projects and some other programs, as the United States Department of Transportation said it furloughed 2,000 workers on Monday. With no quick resolution in sight, Democrats characterized the decision by one Republican to block the jobless aid and highway construction financing as an example of the practical consequences of regular opposition by Senate Republicans.

    How do you argue with a lame duck Senator (even his own party threw him under the bus) who has no problem at all having a nice dinner and going to bed knowing that he alone has cut off hundreds of thousands of families? Mr. Bunning, by the way, will receive a very nice Senate pension and Government run health care for the rest of his life.

    Yet another example:
    LA Times:

    Reporting from Washington – Most of the Supreme Court justices who two years ago said the 2nd Amendment protects individual gun rights signaled during arguments Tuesday that they are ready to extend this right nationwide and to use it to strike down some state and local gun regulations.

    Guns for everyone, but no doctors?

    This is why “national” issues are not worth discussing.

  30. 30 1george1

    Jim Bunning – great baseball pitcher.

    Idiotic stance causes debates.

    Ortega y Gasset book about 100 years ago:
    “revolt of the masses”

    “Public opinion, not bayonettes, run the world.”

    Jeze I lobbed a softball about your ability to focus on an issue
    as polking fun about my ability to narrowly focus on issues.

    I look at the Big Picture, which is called gestaltism about intelligencia
    or rich people, while military also call it the Big Picture.

    Conversely, conspirators and less than open minded will jump to the
    “CONSPIRACY NUT” one size fits all.

    – There are conspriacies not viable or unrealistic or delusional.
    – Sometimes conspirator create non credible situations, not unlike
    Stratford Politicians keeping same issues in front of press and public,
    while the armored cars are unloading the public treasury.
    – Sometimes the bigger thieves / traitors find giving crumbs to locals
    keeps them busy and distracted.

    – I have reason to believe the power that are intentional broke things
    to bring an end to certain situaions.
    However, it is unlikely they would expose themselves to jeopardy and
    it is likely many of the guilty were allowed to DIE OFF, after enjoying
    spOILs of pOWEr.

    Jeze,
    We are closer than you presently understand ….
    I am also trying to protect those who got suckers, but still knowing did
    not do right, which is different than doing malice.

  31. 31 jezebel282

    George,

    “We are closer than you presently understand ….”

    Now THAT worries me….

  32. 32 mikereynolds

    Hey did everyone go VOTE today??

  33. 33 jezebel282

    Not me.

    It would be illegal.

  34. 34 1george1

    In Chicago, it was reputed that deceased people voted,
    early and often.

    I was awakened by very pale people with tombstones
    trailing behind them heading towards the high school.

    A George Carlin thought …
    Do they call it “high school,”
    because so many children, once there, learn how to get “high?”

    I was very happy to have not won 3rd District and did not want
    to take any chance at winning Harkins seat
    (not that I had a prayer = I aint delusional all da time!)

    I am unsure if I should vote for Laura or Janice as punishment or for
    political convictions, which I wish most politicians were convicted?

    Jeze
    We are both loyal and passionate about people and concepts we love,
    like and the antithesis.

    We have different priorities.

    At the end of the day, without mIRON CURTAIN clouding your mind,
    we both care about innocent and decent people, dislikely bad people.
    – We disagree on some – not all – specifics.

    Why be worried – great minds think alike! 😉

    Without the Mirons / Burturla / Be UTTER NUTS / BAD MEDICINE
    I suspect all of us want the same things for those we love and like
    and for fellow Americans …. even Sudds … who does have Rocki
    and good taste in his terrible taste style on how he compliments PCS. 8)

  35. 35 jezebel282

    George,

    “At the end of the day, without mIRON CURTAIN clouding your mind,”

    I think my mind was pretty clear about Miron and his, umm, appointees.

    The fact that they (John Buturla, James Cavanaugh, Maurice McCarthy, Patrick Riddenhour, Curtis Maffet, Kent Miller, Berchem Moses & Devlin, Warren Holcomb, Linda and Justin Loschiavo and even Donna Best) continue to plague us and drain our budget disturbs me greatly.

    There are still people wandering about Town Hall that shouldn’t even be allowed to cross Stratford’s borders. David Dunn and Rich Buturla are a couple of good examples.

  36. 36 nomoreyears

    Phin Wrote: “The BOE health care is completely separate for the municipal-just like everything else.”

    Thank you for the clarification. Think of the savings to the town if all employees pooled together. Their buying power increases which in theory should bring costs down. Why is health care separate for the various municipal employees?

    Have any of you read that 1100 page health care bill?

    I don’t have the time. I do work for a living. I can only imagine it places a close second in reading interest and complexity to the national tax code.

  37. 37 1george1

    Nomore….
    The combined buying power has been posted by me for years and
    talked about by others, at least as long …. or longer.

    However it is good to see at least one blogger grasp the obvious.

    When I was a union steward and/or assistant in my small USPS branch,
    I hated the concept of the TAFT HARTLY ACT.

    However after seeing Stratford politics, I understand….
    1 – Why there was some justification for the TAFT HARTLY ACT.

    2 – How and why the USA was over run by Prohibition and later
    pot – cocaine – gambling – vice – oil / gas / coal – insider trading.

    There are a lot of good Democrats and Republicans.
    However we need an enema of the leadership …

  38. 38 jezebel282

    Nomore,

    “Why is health care separate for the various municipal employees? ”

    That is the way it is structured by the Charter. It is also why we elect BOE members. For the last four years this was a very good thing because it kept Miron’s thieving fingers out of our schools. The only thing he could do was to insult Irene Cornish and order Public Works not to maintain the school grounds.

    Part of the problem is also the way compensation is structured. Teachers’ pensions (by far the Town’s largest union) are controlled by the State. Lucky for them, huh? Same deal for the administrators. The rest of the BOE (the ones who are actually underpaid and overworked) have 401K’s.

    As for the various other unions….you don’t get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

    It should be interesting this year when the Harkins administration sits down to negotiate with the police union local 407. Sitting across the table will be Captain Joseph McNeil who has not received a paycheck since June 24th 2009….

  39. 39 phineast

    Jez-It is actually decreed by the stated and delineated by Charte. There is nothing that precludes the town and the BOE from working together on this.

  40. 40 phineast

    State not stated, oops

  41. 41 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “It is actually decreed by the stated and delineated by Charte.”

    Charter revision?

    Well, all we have to do then is to get all the unions to agree on the same plan. Should be easy….

  42. 42 jezebel282

    This stuff just drives you crazy:

    The NY Times
    Supreme Court Still Divided on Guns
    By ADAM LIPTAK
    Published: March 2, 2010

    WASHINGTON — At least five justices appeared poised to expand the scope of the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to bear arms on Tuesday, judging from comments at an unusually intense Supreme Court argument.

    Guns are a fundamental right but going to a doctor is not? Who thinks like that?

    Oh yeah, Republicans.

  43. 43 mikereynolds

    How about a little love for Laura Hoydick today?

    I’m wondering if Janice Anderson is second guessing her affiliation with Jim Miron.

  44. 44 jezebel282

    Mike,

    It will probably take two or three more total election losses for the DTC to realize the Mironistas are the reason they keep losing.

    I hope Ms. Hoydick success and truly wish she finds a way to work with her colleagues in the majority party.

  45. 45 1george1

    Because the Town Charter was changed from Council – Manager
    to Mayor – Council and other parameters it is likely under the
    Home Rule Act rather than Special Act Charter = grandfather rights.

    That is Esq. Burturla opinion.
    I agree.
    I believe the Special Act Charter = grandfather rights, was always
    the target of BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ….

    What is the name of this blog site again …..?
    stratfordcharter something ….

    Last year I sought a petition for Referendum.
    After the election, before the transition, Burturla told Pawluk
    not to grant me a petition for Referendum.

    I have sought an opinion from Bishop.
    Still waiting.

    ————————

    Jeze you have seen how they work:
    Mirons
    Burturlas
    Kelly
    Henrick
    Feehan
    Norm
    DeCilio / Cabrol

    Based on your perception is it likely or unlikely they would want
    to STEAL your FIRST AMENDMENT PROCESS for REFERENDUM as a
    REDRESS to GOVERNMENT to APPEAL a GRIEVANCE you/bloggers have?

    Simple question.
    Foundation laid.
    Character of participants established.
    History of steering money
    History of delaying decisions on the biggest assets.

    GOES to the HEART of the ISSUE about this BLOG’S NAME.

    Relevant question on correct string, twice in a week?
    Don’t faint?

  46. 46 jezebel282

    George,

    Huh?

    http://www.ecode360.com/?custId=ST1064

    § 8.2.1 The Initiative.

    Full text mercifully removed. Link remains if you are desperate to read it again

  47. 47 jezebel282

    Update:

    The Democratic leadership of the Senate has announced that they will pass healthcare reform via reconciliation, bypassing the objection of the Republicans.

    Good for us!

  48. 48 1george1

    Jeze,
    You appear to be correct.
    Appearances can be deceiving.
    “This IS Stratford.”
    NOTE 23 year history of Mirons – Burturla – Florek – RTC – spending
    – priorities

    I requested a petition for referendum in the summer.
    After the election, Burturla told Pawluk to not issue a petition.
    She did not.
    I will find the e-mail, later and forward.

    To Florek’s CRC, Burturla opined we are under Home Rule Act.
    See website CRC opinion on Term Limits and covert mention of petition.

    Foundation is laid for initiative to be challendged in court and for Judge
    to rule that section of the Charter is illegal, because the changes moved
    th Town Charter from Special Act Charter to Home Rule Act, which does
    NOT allow Grandfathered rights and specifically does not allow those
    mentioned in the above section.

    Do you believe Mirons / Burturla and RTC are incapable or unlikely to
    try to rig the game in their favor and use pretending to be adversaries
    while steering money to themselves and their clients?

  49. 49 jezebel282

    George,

    “Foundation is laid for initiative to be challendged in court ”

    To be frank, I would rather pursue a forensic audit of the Town finances and watch the perpetrators being led away in handcuffs.

    But back to the topic. It currently appears that the Democratic Leadership of the Senate has finally grown a set and we will have Healthcare reform for all. Let’s see how big the set is and whether a public option is restored in reconciliation.

  50. 50 1george1

    Jeze,

    Do you believe Mirons / Burturlas / RTC care what you would rather?

    Or do you believe they would prefer to steer and steal everything they can?

    Enron with held information from auditor Arthur Anderson, which was cleared
    2 years later. By then, Arthur Anderson was long dead, so was Enron.
    By then the Enron traders were helping boost Oil prices from 12/98 low $ 10.58
    to June 2008 $ 147 Barrel.

    On the Town Council FAC Bob Sammis and I requested information and were ignored. Whatever Tom Moore’s allies wanted from police Burturla and Town
    was provided. Of the O. T. for the Jan 2008 police retirees pensions average
    of $ 89,000 on $ 71,100 about 1 1/4 years O.T. came from Burturla and rest
    came from Tom’s Bro-in-Law Imbro.

    John Florek, Mike Imbro, and Tom Moore are well liked personable people,
    as are members of the FAC and most of the RTC + DTC.

    People with exceptional retirements, if they choose, can donate time and
    effort to the Community …. if that is who they are intending to benefit?

    You understand the insinuation …

    However, they do not even realize reality.

    Pominent person in town mentioned talking to someone on the Fire Dept
    who said he joined the Fire Dept to give back to the community.

    That prominent person lit into O.T., PENSIONS, BENEFITS, FIRE HOUSE,
    FIRE TRUCKS, ANNUITIES, 401, and a bunch more…..

    And that prominent person has never spoken out publicly on the issue.

    What that prominent person did not realize is that when I started in USPS
    in 1971, I was earning $ 2.41 an hour, with no social security.
    When my dad started in USPS aout 1968, it was about $ 2.20 an hours after
    big improvements to civil service / municiple pay thanks to MLK Jr and the
    Birmingham Garbage men, making UNDER the POVERTY LEVEL PAY.

    BACK TO YOUR BACK TO TOPIC.

    YOU LABOR UNDER THE ASSUMPTION JANICE ANDERSEN and the DTC are
    not working with the RTC, aren’t you?

    In Stratford there are some pretty amazing connections when you get
    to maiden names, not just of wifes and inlaws, but also cousins.

    Brings concept of political incest to entirely different level.

  51. 51 1george1

    When I worked for the USPS and I believe it today, that government
    workers are exceptionally patriotic.

    They are doubly blessed to have cause for patriotism, because they
    are the recipients of what people who do not get that pay, benefits,
    working conditions, retirements as BRIBERY.

    Everything is provided to them, even clothing allowance…
    Jeze do you know any independent contractors?
    Do they get clothing allowance?
    Do they get expenses?
    Do they get retirement pensions, 401, Annuity?
    What kind of vacation, sick, holiday pay do they get?
    Do they get free parking?
    Do they spend most of their time in heated or AC?
    Do they get paid Health Care? Even Partially paid HC?

    Personally, I think it is good economics to find ways to employ 100 %
    of the people who want to be employed with strong pay, benefits,
    retirements, besides being the humane thing.

    Capitalism is a form of socialism.
    I am a Capitalist, who believe in honest Constitutional Democratic
    representative government with legal laws and regulations in an
    honorable just and humane Republic.

    Pakistan, Haiti, Nigeria, Iran, Palestine, Russia, China, and England are
    more likely to have honest government than Stratford or Corrupticut,
    or the USA.
    I ain’t holdin my breath on any ofem

  52. 52 sudds

    “The Democratic leadership of the Senate has announced that they will pass healthcare reform via reconciliation”

    Ahhh… nothing says DEMOCRACY quite like using backdoor methods to get laws passed (that will effect about 1/8 of our economy) because you couldn’t get a SINGLE vote for bipartisanship!!!

    Good job Dems… you just GAURANTEED that Repubs will rule Washington again for the next 20 years!!!

  53. 53 sudds

    PS… I don’t care if you are for or against healthcare… you have GOT to agree that this is the weasel-iest move EVER by our Federal Government!!!

    I mean come on… how bad must it be when CNN (yes… I said CNN!!!) post polls showing that half of Americans want a “start over” on healthcare?!?!?!

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/26/poll.health.care/index.html

  54. 54 sudds

    Is anyone else missing Bush??? At least he didn’t lie to our face!!! (that’s why he had Cheney)

    http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-american-agenda-flashback-dems-should-not-pass-healthcare-with-a-50-plus-1-strategy

  55. 55 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “PS… I don’t care if you are for or against healthcare… you have GOT to agree that this is the weasel-iest move EVER by our Federal Government!!!”

    Now, now Sudds. Don’t make me go back and research how many times the Bush Republicans relied on “reconciliation” to spend $10 BILLION/month on Iraq, or tax cuts for the wealthy, or the “Patriot” act or any of the other 20+ times they did it.

    It’s only bad if the Democrats do it?

    “Good job Dems… you just GAURANTEED that Repubs will rule Washington again for the next 20 years!!!”

    Most of the reforms won’t take place until 2013. You care to guess how short the public’s memory is? Tell me again how BAD it is to make denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions illegal? Or maybe how BAD it is to outlaw caps on coverage? Or the evilness of simply dropping a client for being sick?

    And IF the Democrats have enough spine to create a public option the great whoosh! you hear will be people dropping their private health insurance and rushing into the public plan. Except you, of course. You LIKE ridiculously high premiums.

  56. 56 jezebel282

    Just another point. One reason that California is bankrupt is that to pass any tax increase at all requires a 2/3 majority of the State House of Representatives. No tax increase ever has a snowball’s chance. Voila! Bankruptcy.

    We cannot run the U.S. Government based on a 60 vote majority for everything that comes before it.

  57. 57 sudds

    “It’s only bad if the Democrats do it?”

    I didn’t like it when they did it either!!!

    Any time “We the People” becomes “We the Chosen Few”… I AM AGAINST IT!!!

  58. 58 jezebel282

    NC congressman wants Ronald Reagan put on $50 bill

    (AP) – 5 hours ago

    RALEIGH, N.C. — A U.S. congressman from North Carolina wants the $50 bill redrawn to feature the face of former President Ronald Reagan.

    LOL!

    Who’s got a $50 bill anymore?

  59. 59 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Any time “We the People” becomes “We the Chosen Few”… I AM AGAINST IT!!!”

    Welcome to healthcare reform! Over half is not a “chosen few”. We call that a “m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y”.

  60. 60 1george1

    I am hoping Cheney never dies.

    If/when he does, then all of us face deeper problems.

    I could see Cheney staging a coup and kicking the devil outta hell.

    Then he will tap into the big oil reserve n make hell …. hotter.

    He would also hook up with all the neo-cons and phoney liberals n
    conservative actors including takin heads, to further seduce the
    kool aid drinkin party zombies.

    Palindrone is startin to scare me ….
    She was very good, not just good on Jay Leno.

    She is gittin comfortable getting laughs …. intentionally.
    Attractive, personable, intelligent, and believin carp ideology ….

    Reagan on a $ 50?
    Don’t they have enough coke on the $ 100?

    I wonder how much “the fed” recovers when the “launder” the money
    and refine the coke off the bills?
    If that money was put in the general fund, it might wipe out national debt?

    35 years of shipping manifests with all details of every ship in NY NJ PORT
    AUTHORITY, from all over the world, especially from Columbia-Panama
    all wiped out on 9/11, when there was NO air cover over NYC or DC ?

    Just a coincidence?

    Ever see that James Bond movie with Wayne Newton playing the Rev?
    They dumped thousand of tons in imported oil that when refined in the
    USA separated COCAINE from OIL.

    Every wonder where the term CRACK came from?

    Look up the term CRACK as it relates to OIL REFINING?

  61. 61 cstratct

    “PS… I don’t care if you are for or against healthcare… you have GOT to agree that this is the weasel-iest move EVER by our Federal Government!!!”

    Really?

    How about this for a headline:

    AP: Republicans set record for use of filibuster

    http://rawstory.com/2010/03/ap-republicans-set-record-filibuster/

    The lowlights:

    “Last year, the first of the 111th Congress, there were a record 112 cloture votes. In the first two months of 2010, the number already exceeds 40.

    That means, with 10 months left to run in the 111th Congress, Republicans have turned to the filibuster or threatened its use at a pace that will more than triple the old record. The 104th Congress in 1995-96 — when Republicans held a 53-47 majority — required 50 cloture votes.”

    Many Republicans want it both ways. They want to claim they’re stopping a “progressive” agenda, but then they want to scream that nothing ever gets done in Washington.

    Republicans like to attack the stimulus bill with the left hand while using their right hand to take the money from the stimulus and hold photo-ops showing they’re bringing money and projects to their districts.

    Washington Times: Stimulus foes see value in seeking cash

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/09/stimulus-foes-see-value-in-seeking-cash/

  62. 62 cstratct

    He (Bush) didn’t lie to our face?

    Ummm…

    Iraq WMD’s – “In last year’s (2003) State of the Union address, on the eve of the Iraq war, Bush noted that the United Nations had concluded Saddam Hussein had the material needed to produce 25,000 liters of anthrax and more than 38,000 liters of botulinus toxin — enough to kill millions of people.”

    Medicare Part D – “Bush extolled the legislation as “the greatest advance in health care coverage for America’s seniors since the founding of Medicare,” sounding what is sure to become a central theme of his re-election campaign.” Does that include the hole in the coverage?

    We could go on but I think the point has been made.

  63. 63 1george1

    SENATOR BAUCUS and

    Dec 28, 2009 … Does anyone else see the irony in a senator named
    “Baucus” being drunk on the senate floor?
    RATE THIS COMMENT: Vote Up Vote Down Very Good …

    – Another scripted moment in D.C.

    Bacchus, in Greek and Roman mythology..

    As expected, moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/georges-page/#comment-10668

  64. 64 jezebel282

    Ctstrat:

    Remember, according to Republicans, Bush was NEVER wrong, the wealthy are treated poorly and the U.S. is always right when the Marines land in your country.

    Sudds,

    “I mean come on… how bad must it be when CNN (yes… I said CNN!!!) post polls showing that half of Americans want a “start over” on healthcare?!?!?!”

    That’s only because the Republicans and Joe Lieberman took the Public Option out of the Senate bill. Most Americans understand that prices will really come down when the only entity capable of competing with the billions of dollars raked in by the Insurance companies enters the market.

  65. 65 phineast

    Jez-actually that is not the true reason, people are afraid to be saddled with a form of a mandate that no one clearly understands or can explain the cost burdens to the public(because they truly just don’t know)-the only example we have even remotely close is Medicare-and quite frankly that is not what I would use to go around and promote a change that is as sweeping as we could potentially have. If you want to know what socialized medicine is like I suggest you go and interview some people who have lived with it in the UK(for example) the care is horrible, the waits for care are even worse and the mortality rate is escalating not declining. The people of this country should have to decide what they really want-this is a question or series of questions that should be on the voting ballot and not left to a bunch of congressmen/women and senators that will have the carte blanche of health care for the rest of their lives. The real problem here is that these people that are “supposed” to represent US do NOT represent us, and on the rare moment they do it’s because their back is to the wall for re-election. It’s not a republican thing or a democratic thing it is a POLITICAL thing. The words “public option” are buzz words that are designed to appeal to people like you, Chris or even me-words that over simplify and ambiguously explain what is proposed. The real issue is that the people that “opt out” of the public option are still going to bare financial responsibility for it. It is in the bill—and that is one reasons I will not support it. Until I see all the tools exhausted to make insurance more competitive in the marketplace I will not support government involvement, I already have to pay for enough other people through being taxed for things like medicaid and having to pay for add ons because I am insured to my hospital bill to pay for people who aren’t insured. Do I want anyone to suffer? no Do I want anyone to be denied care? no. But there has to be a way to stop promoting a mentality that says carte blanche is a God given right-if it were my kids would have gone to college to be doctors and lawyers because college is free instead of ME have a gazillion dollars in college loans so that non citizens can go for free.-Do you and I also have the God given right to never have to pay a bill or take responsibility for what we do to our bodies that may effect why we need health care carte blance???? We are guaranteed the “pursuit” of happiness-which mean it is not handed to you you have to work for it. I am tired of WORKING for everyone else’s happiness and not my own.
    How do you think a vote would go if the government forced ALL insurance companies to be not for profit? Frankly, that is the starting point that needs to be addressed-and until it is-there are more people that feel like I do than those who don’t.

  66. 66 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “I suggest you go and interview some people who have lived with it in the UK(for example) the care is horrible, the waits for care are even worse and the mortality rate is escalating not declining.”

    Actually, I have lived in the EU (Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands) for 5 years. They LOVE their national health plans. Although I agree that in the UK they could certainly use a better dental plan. But I’ll bet Stephen Hawkings doesn’t have a problem with it. Even in the UK, their mortality rate is lower than ours.

    “The real problem here is that these people that are “supposed” to represent US do NOT represent us, and on the rare moment they do it’s because their back is to the wall for re-election.”

    Although I don’t disagree, that sounds more like a constitutional issue than healthcare reform.

    “The words “public option” are buzz words that are designed to appeal to people like you, Chris or even me-words that over simplify and ambiguously explain what is proposed.”

    As opposed to “government run”?

    “The real issue is that the people that “opt out” of the public option are still going to bare financial responsibility for it.”

    What I read is “mandatory”coverage. Just like auto insurance. When the nice policemen asks you for proof of insurance, he doesn’t care if it’s Allstate, Geico, Liberty, etc. or what your premiums are.

    “But there has to be a way to stop promoting a mentality that says carte blanche is a God given right”

    Exactly my point. That is what Private Health Insurers have now. There are zero controls on their rates.

    “if it were my kids would have gone to college to be doctors and lawyers because college is free instead of ME have a gazillion dollars in college loans so that non citizens can go for free.”

    Lawyer? Really? You would do that to your kids?
    I don’t quite get this whole sentence. “Non-citizens can go for free”? What are you talking about?

    “Do you and I also have the God given right to never have to pay a bill or take responsibility for what we do to our bodies that may effect why we need health care carte blance?”

    No. But I think I should be entitled to go for a walk in the woods or the beach. And if I get bitten by a deer tick and contract Lyme Disease I shouldn’t be denied coverage.

    “We are guaranteed the “pursuit” of happiness-which mean it is not handed to you you have to work for it. ”

    Hard to work for it if you happen to get born with sickle cell anemia, asthma, congenital heart defects, Downs Syndrome, muscular dystrophy……

    “there are more people that feel like I do than those who don’t.”

    Doesn’t everyone (except George) believe that?

  67. 67 1george1

    Unemployment over – near 10 %

    Underemployment over – near 10 % added = underpaid

    Foreclosures at historic levels

    Credit Card rates at Usury Rates

    Energy and Utility costs at historic levels.

    Businesses off shored, closed, downsized.

    Profits down except for BIG OIL / INSIDER TRADERS / LOBBIES / BIG BANKERS

    Portfolios LOOTED, where Madoff actually benefitted a large minority of investors
    unlike WALL STREET.

    Government gives raises and benefit to selves, like keeping political
    donations and government workers are bribed with hush money.

    There is NO TRUST by AMERICANS in CONGRESS!!!

    That, to me is the KEY!

    Every failure means more political jobs, higher budgets, and invasions on
    CONSTITUTION, CIVIL, and CRIMINAL RIGHTS – not to mention INALIENABLE!!

    War on CRIME
    War on DRUGS
    War on POVERTY
    War on RACISM
    War on IRAQ – KILL OSAMA in month 1 = eliminates WAR CONTRACTORS-OIL $$
    War on Government Waste
    Contract with America or Contract on America

    After WW II Germany + Japan became # 2 + # 3 Economies

    USA # 1 – USSR # 2 Weapons trader
    USA # 1 OIL importer –
    USSR always # 1 Natural Gas exporter – Europe pipelines
    USSR passed SAUDI as # 1 OIL exporter

    After COLD WAR
    – COMMUNIST RUSSIA is CAPITALIST OIgarchy
    – COMMUNIST CHINA is CAPITALIST Banker DUE to taking UNION FACTORY JOBS which had decent pay + benefits + retirements.

    CHINA + JAPAN + EUROPE + OPEC + DRUG exporters hold most of USA debt.
    They have to invest it in USA LAND and STOCKS.

    CHENEY – DC parties + PENTAGON get along better with DICTATORS and mass
    MURDERERS than care about the working woman/man-small business!

    Bad enough BUSH – CHENEY labor secretary practiced NEUTRON JACK
    employment strategy.
    Can you imagine KGB Vladimir Putin as Cabinette Secretary of Education?
    Whereas the USA “HIGH” Schools turn out drug addicts and fodder …

  68. 68 1george1

    Phin,

    Can you break your post into paragraphs with spacing?

    Jeze and I and other do this.
    You make many excellent points.
    Some I agree – others.

    I know my content is not believable to you and others.
    At least it is spaced (sapcey?) into separated points.
    Thank you.

  69. 69 jezebel282

    Phin,

    Doesn’t listen to George! He’s addicted to the “enter” key.

  70. 70 1george1

    The oher point in post # 67?

    If people can not afford homes … how do they pay for mandatory health care?
    If people can not pay utilities, heat, staples ….
    If people are living pay check to pay check …..
    If people on fixed incone are burning thru savings ….
    If people have high mortgages, credit card, charges, college loans, auto pay …..

    how do they pay for mandatory health care?

    The blog is touching national and state issues

    because

    national, state, and international issues affect our lives.

  71. 71 jezebel282

    George,

    “if people can not afford homes … how do they pay for mandatory health care?”

    Because they won’t be paying ridiculously high premiums. The burden will be off the backs of businesses, freeing up revenue for hiring and capital. Just like in the EU.

    When their children or partner gets sick, they won’t have to choose between their home and someone’s life.

    The “government run” option we have now, Medicare, takes in citizens that the insurance industry won’t touch. That STILL doesn’t stop the insurance companies from offering supplemental coverage does it?

    Imagine, if you will, that the pool includes healthy people who are not likely to require medical care as often as, say, someone who is 70, 75, 80 years old.

    And if you really like paying higher premiums, you are more than welcome to stick with whatever plan you have.

  72. 72 1george1

    Jeze,

    I completely understand economy to scale.
    I agree with your concept if it was based on political reality as adam bauer
    referred to an item…

    I also read Joe Lieberman’s biography of John Moran Bailey who keyed
    in on tapping the insurance industry for his power, then taught the DNC
    when he had 7 year run as DNC chair, after decades as CT-DC

    Lieberman over $ 1 million from insurance lobby.

    Do you trust Lieberman -Bush – Cheney – Obama – Clinton – Pelosi – Reid
    to do anything to benefit the American people, rather than their money
    sources?

  73. 73 jezebel282

    George,

    “Do you trust Lieberman -Bush – Cheney – Obama – Clinton – Pelosi – Reid
    to do anything to benefit the American people, rather than their money
    sources?”

    Sadly, politicians have less credibility than a broker selling credit default swaps. But the discussion is about what is supposed to be better for us, not them. They already have a government run health plan.

  74. 74 1george1

    Jeze,

    You are preaching to the choir, sister …
    preaching to the choir.

    Just imagine if I could have gotten CT POST to PUBLISH 6 YEARS
    ago … if, If, IF….. I was able to do so in a credible manner?
    (honest self assessment)

  75. 75 sudds

    “PS… I don’t care if you are for or against healthcare… you have GOT to agree that this is the weasel-iest move EVER by our Federal Government!!!”

    I am already wrong… I can’t keep up with this guy…

    UPDATED… I don’t care if you are for or against healthcare… you have GOT to agree that BUYING votes (even though your own party controlled both the House and the Senate for 12 months… LOL!!!) is the weasel-iest move EVER by our Federal Government!!!”

    http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-now-selling-appeals-court-judgeships-health-care-votes

    Seriously… these Dem jamokes can’t even manage themselves (not that the Re-pubes are any better)… WTF should I trust them with managing my health???

  76. 76 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WTF should I trust them with managing my health???”

    Right. You should trust some CEO and Board of Directors. They really care about you.

  77. 77 sudds

    You really think that EITHER of these groups gives a flying monkey’s a$$ about our health???

    WOW… Jez… maybe you’re nearly as smart as I thought!!! A tutorial for the confused:

    Politicians: think this will keep their party in power (this applies to Dems trying to force it through AND Re-pubes fighting against it)

    Companies: want to keep the money flowing in

    The only difference between the two is that I fear (a) what the politicians are going to force down my throat a lot more than I fear (b) what I CHOOSE to buy on my own!!!

  78. 78 cstratct

    So Sudds, now you’re using a clearly partisan magazine to make what case exactly?

    This article is attempting to create a controversy. My favorite line:

    “So, Scott Matheson appears to have the credentials to be a judge, but was his nomination used to buy off his brother’s vote?”

    Let’s see if I can write one like this about the Republicans.

    So, Michael Brown appears to have the creditials to be director of FEMA, but was his nomination used as political payback for supporting George W. Bush’s campaign for President?

    I wonder if this question ever ran in the Weekly Standard after Hurrican Katrina?

    I prefer to trust the government to level the playing field which is heavily skewed toward the corporations at the present moment. I wonder who is fighting regulatory reform?

  79. 79 sudds

    So… you’re saying that since one party did it… then it’s ok for the other to do it???

    F*CK!!! Truman was a Democrat… and he is the only president to drop nuclear weapons in an enemy!!!

    Geesh… thank God Cheney doesn’t follow the same “you did it, so now we can” logic that you do!!!

  80. 80 cstratct

    No sudds, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that you’re citing a highly partisan publication that is taking a situation and implying that there is some sort of wrongdoing when they have no proof whatsoever of that.

    Here’s what the article is stating: We’re not saying the President did anything wrong because the guy is qualified, but is the President doing something wrong? We’re just asking. We have no proof, we’re just posing a question.

    On the other hand you have already accepted the premise as fact despite the fact there is no proof.

    At least this candidate is qualified for the position. Care to tell me what qualified “Brownie” for his job a FEMA?

    And as far as Cheney is concerned, I would say thank God Biden doesn’t conduct himself like Cheney.

  81. 81 1george1

    Both Sudds and Jeze made good points about the key issues in Health Care’s
    political reality.
    SELF INTEREST!!

    My perspective:
    Chris made points about political reality and projected to Health Care debate.
    Subtle difference, worth pointing out.

    Sudds, my dad was in sea of Japan, with 1,000,000 other GIs ready to invade,
    when atomic bombs were dropped in 1945. I was born 1951.
    I KNOW THAT WAS NOT YOUR POINT.

    I APPRECIATE that you are less than thrilled with Cheney, despite being
    a Republican…. jamoke? a joke?

    Sudds, you claim to have an MBA.

    Please calculate potential MIL and INTEREST savings if we cut $ 9,000,000
    or 2 Mils Bonding by using $ 9 million a year in existing BONDED MONEY
    paying ??? 4 % and getting .75 % interest on $ 65 million capital improve cash
    and $ 88 in sundry cash accounts?

    I would like to see why we should make you Finance Director on merit
    rather than smoozing with PCS….

  82. 82 jezebel282

    George,

    “SELF INTEREST!!”

    Actually my health care is pretty good. I just pay them boatloads of money, don’t go to the doctor and everything is fine.

    The problem is that the current “free market” system (as if that exits) we have is killing too many people and not worth the money we spend on it.

    Sudds is free to continue to spend all the money he wants on private health care no matter what the government does. He can keep doing it till he gets old and/or sick and they deny him coverage. The wealthy can always buy their way in.

    For all the rest of us, I’ll take something not profit driven, thanks.

    (Do you guys really want to argue about Truman v Cheney? Seriously?)

  83. 83 phineast

    Jez and Chris-Interesting timing but today I got a bill from Bridgeport Hospital for a recent visit I had there. 😦
    Enclosed in the bill is a paper that is titled Summary of Financial Assistance Programs at Bridgeport Hospital (English). On the list is 1.) Free care Program, 2.) Nominated Free Bed Funds 3.) Sliding Scale Program 4.) Catastrophic Sliding Scale Program and 5.) Primary Care Center Sliding Scale program. And of course on the back it is written in Spanish. 🙂
    There are some interesting facts on the the sheet. It says on the paper that the hospital understands that it can be difficult for some patients to afford paying their hospital bills. That is why the have a variety of financial assistance programs designed to help. To learn more or obtain an application contact the Patient Financial and Admitting Services at 800-688-4954. These programs cover medically necessary care at Bridgeport Hospital.
    I suggest that you call them to find out the types of services that are available in our area.

    It is my understanding that St. Vincent’s Has a similar program.

    These are just some of the tools that are available to people.
    Once you are in the doors of a hospital did you know that you cannot be refused treatment for inability to pay? I am sure you were aware of that. I am also sure that you are aware there are Patient ombudsman in every hospital to assist with issues that arise.

    There are many vehicles that are available to people to help with health care costs.

    Many people are beginning to change their health care coverage to various levels of catastrophic insurance and pay out of pocket for the occasional visits to the doctor costs on their own as it ends up far cheaper for them. I doesn’t deny them access to health care.

    These programs are a blend of personal responsibility and accountability with assistance and compassion. I guess my argument has been partially that in addition to insurance companies being non competitive because they are for profit, that everyone assumes that the population is being denied access to health care. They are not. The public does however have to own a large portion of the responsibility for their health care-whether it is out of pocket expenses, payroll contributions or a job negotiated benefit in full. To just hand over everything with only a very convoluted and disjointed plan on how to pay for a public option is not the right way to go right now. Things need to be phased in slowly a little at a time to be clear on the effects and how far they reach or what they miss. Read the bill-shut off CNN and FOX and read it. Kind of like the LBW fiasco what is being presented is not really what is going to be offered.

    George-paragraphs clear enough for you? I was in a rush before.–what is your excuse?

  84. 84 1george1

    Jeze,

    My reference about SELF INTEREST were realted to you and Sudds
    blogging about the Democratic and Republican parties.

    Phin,
    1 – I am sorry to read that you needed a Hospital visit.
    2 – It is admirable to use information you found to try to help others.
    3 – I think you would agree that spreading the information reads easier,
    4 – I make corrections, when in err.
    5 – I take responsibility for my acts, words, and deeds.
    6 -I use my name and contact info in public handouts, Council, blog
    and letters to editor.
    7 – I put my money, time, and efforts out without attempt at profit.
    8 – I ran for public office, without taking money from anyone but did
    get a (very) little help on signs and had 300 copies donated (2 sided)
    9 – I do not remember making excuses, nor feeling a need to do so while
    10 – I acknowledge I am not perfect.
    11 – I acknowledge I like stirring the pot,
    12 – Hey Abbbbotttt!! I’m a baaaad boooy!

  85. 85 phineast

    Thanks George for #1
    No one is perfect.
    I just tried to do as you asked.
    I give many hours to the town without a penny in compensation, I do it because I love this Town.
    I use my name-Phineast, and I happen to like it.
    I do not need recognition and accolades for what I give to my community, as there is a personal satisfaction in knowing I have done my personal best for the entire community.
    I have no desire to run for public office, as sometimes you can be far more effective on the side-this is something Jez understands well also.
    I take responsibility for my words and actions in each area I am in, here it is as Phineast.
    Like many, I want everyone to be healthy and happy have have enough to get by comfortably-but I don’t believe in hand outs and freebies-unless it is to the very old and frail or to children or for the short term to someone who may have a blip causing hard times. If you are able bodied enough to go and pick up your check, you are able bodied enough to work for it. When the government realizes that they need to make the welfare checks less than what you earn at Mc Donalds that is when they will see an increase in people working-why would they want to work when they can stay home and make more doing it????

  86. 86 jezebel282

    Phin,

    As usual, I agree with a lot of what you say but….

    “It says on the paper that the hospital understands that it can be difficult for some patients to afford paying their hospital bills.”

    That’s like a loan shark saying he will only break one arm this time. If you read the itemized list, you’ll see they charge you for Kleenex.

    “Once you are in the doors of a hospital did you know that you cannot be refused treatment for inability to pay?”

    We know, that’s another reason premiums are so high. We pay for that through a for profit insurance company.

    “Many people are beginning to change their health care coverage to various levels of catastrophic insurance and pay out of pocket for the occasional visits to the doctor costs on their own as it ends up far cheaper for them.”

    Now, Phin…that’s just a silly argument. Many people are doing that because their employer no longer provides health insurance or they don’t make enough to afford rent and premiums. Or they simply can’t afford the COBRA payments after being laid off. You can’t look at it from your trickle down position. You should be looking at it from the bottom up.

    “It doesn’t deny them access to health care.”
    Then why don’t 40 million people (depending on who you listen to) have health insurance?

    “that everyone assumes that the population is being denied access to health care. They are not.”

    Phin! Every single time you require any procedure, the young females (usually) in your doctor’s office is on the phone getting pre-approval for it. Sometimes they don’t get it and you don’t get the treatment. That’s called the insurance death-panel.

    “but I don’t believe in hand outs and freebies”
    Where did you read that healthcare reform would be “free”? I’m moving to that country.

    “what you earn at Mc Donalds that is when they will see an increase in people working”

    I checked. McDonald’s isn’t hiring. Go to Shaw’s today at look at all the happy faces there.

    “this is something Jez understands well also.”

    Very well. But the pay REALLY sux, doesn’t it?

  87. 87 1george1

    Phin,

    You are welcome for # 1 + others. Health + family + friends + god + people
    + integrity/self respect + decent living are most peoples priorities.

    Jeze’s posts for most of these blogs were anti-miron / pro Police-Fire Management.
    Consistently I tried to change subject to high taxes, pro-seniors / low income, and
    Public Interest. I also blasted national and state government, where I became the non relevant conspiracy theorist.

    Jeze has increasingly posted about those issues which one would expect from a
    responsible Democrat. However it took a long time to get her to address those
    issues, which have become OBVIOUS.

    I have no doubt each of you contribute significantly with volunteer work through
    the decades, especially since Jeze has a college student, which meant there was
    probable involvment in pta – sports – extra curricula.

    We all do things for selfish reasons.

    Mine are to try to protect lives and livelihoods of family, friends, people, where certain police / government people are complicit and most are at least non feasant in part out of: cowardice / blue wall / lack of empathy / participation.

    I never claim to speak for anyone else.

    This blog reaches a certain limited circle, where a certain percent are sub
    human creatures who contribute nothing to society and are vampires.

    Then there is another percent who contribute much to society for their
    own reasons. And many in between.

    Vampires are soulless and can not see their REAL SELVES in the MIRROR.

    I respect everyone’s rights. I have no respect for murderers and ritualists
    who derive sadistic, schadenfreudist, perverse psychic gratification from
    sanguinary practices used for galvanization by sub human creatures and
    their proxies, patrons, and protectors.

    They are cowards who live in fear and steal whatever they can.

  88. 88 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze has increasingly posted about those issues which one would expect from a
    responsible Democrat.”

    I KNEW that was a mistake when I posted it.

    “especially since Jeze has a college student,”

    Correction. Unemployed College Grad (Biology). If anyone is looking to hire a Biology major: jezebel.anonymous@gmail.com

    “which meant there was probable involvment in pta”

    Never! Isn’t the PTA merely a front for the CIA and Trilateral Commission?

    “This blog reaches a certain limited circle, where a certain percent are sub
    human creatures who contribute nothing to society and are vampires.”

    Thank you, George. I’m sure most of the readers really appreciate that too.

  89. 89 cstratct

    I was going to respond to Phin’s comment “Once you are in the doors of a hospital did you know that you cannot be refused treatment for inability to pay? I am sure you were aware of that. I am also sure that you are aware there are Patient ombudsman in every hospital to assist with issues that arise,” but Jezebel pretty much hit the nail on the head.

    One additional point about this. Perhaps if people had better preventive care (or insurance in general) or a primary care physician they wouldn’t need to go to a hospital emergency room for something that could be handled at a doctor’s office. Not to mention the fact that right now insurance companies can deny coverage sight unseen, so people are forced to either go without care or put it off until it becomes an emergency.

    Either way, those with insurance are left paying the profits being reaped by the insurance companies. Notice I didn’t say the costs for the healthcare itself (although we’re paying for that too), because guess what, the insurance companies are raking in profits regardless.

  90. 90 jezebel282

    CStrat,

    There is another point in there. One of the (many) reasons why medical costs are so high. No one really knows how much it costs.

    When someone with insurance goes to a doctor, pharmacy, hospital, lab they plunk down the $20 deductible and that’s that. They do not see what the doctor, pharmacy, hospital, lab is charging for that service. Insurance companies tell you that this reduces paperwork. What they don’t tell you is that it hides the cost.

    Lipitor, for example, at retail (the price you and me pay) is $135 for 30 little 20 mg tablets. Think about that. To stay healthy and out of a cardiac unit costs $1,620/year. But if you have insurance, you pay your copay of $20 and never know.

    Typical doctor visit for sniffles : $150 for 15 minutes. Once again, you pay your copay and never know this guy/gal just ripped you for $150 to take your temperature.

    And most people who are still employed and still have insurance don’t have that much of a choice anyway. You tend to take whatever plan the company has and live with the deductions from your pay. Not much of a “free market” is it?

  91. 91 1george1

    Jeze,
    I have to compliment you on using facts and hard numbers among you opinions,

    – subject change – not worth looking else where.

    Very sad that gunman John Bedell attacked people at the pentagon.

    I note the name of the Pentagon Police Chiev Richard Keevill.
    In his name I see the words HARD + EVIL sequenciallt
    In his last name the 1st letter + last 3 letters spell KILL

    Violence helps perpetuate violence. sad.

  92. 92 cstratct

    Agreed Jezebel. As you say, there are many reasons. I would love to see the data people are using to claim we have the “best” healthcare in the world.

    Infant mortality rates? No.

    Death rate? No.

    Life expectancy? Not even close.

    Just because we have more of something doesn’t mean it’s better. I think people keep believing that if we say we have the best it must be true.

  93. 93 sudds

    a) no I’m confused… now you’re vilifying doctors? Didn’t you see all of those doctors Obama keeps having with him… it’s not like he can make them ALL ambassadors… ergo, do you really think that they plan to make LESS??

    b) at for the data… don’t you think that our countries numbers might be skewed a bit due to thinks like (a) our cr*ppy diets, (b) our lack of exercise, (c) the fact that minority males only have a life expectancy of like 26 years, (d) crack-addicted moms, etc, etc, etc… how is free healthcare going to fix those things???

  94. 94 sudds

    oops…

    no I’m confused = noW I’m confused

  95. 95 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Quick question: Why do you keep saying “free healthcare”?

  96. 96 sudds

    Because there are a whole sh*tload of people in this country who are going to pay jack-squat yet receive the same benefits as you and I!

    Marx would be proud!!!

  97. 97 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Because there are a whole sh*tload of people in this country who are going to pay jack-squat”

    Didn’t you ever step foot into an ER? That has been going on for decades. It would be cheaper for you and me if they could go to a family doctor. Even at $150 for 15 minutes.

  98. 98 cstratct

    Jezebel, I’m sure those opposed to health insurance reform would rather go by the mantra “Survival of the fittest.” Let’s face it, they believe the real problem is all the “illegals” stealing healthcare. They’ve been fed that bill of goods by the far right for some time. That and tort reform being the savior.

    And now it comes out that the Repbulican’s actually put it in writing that the goal is to use fear to engage their constituency. Not ideas, not governing, but fear. Scare the people into believing we’re becoming a socialist state.

    I suppose when you’re devoid of ideas, fear is all you’ve got.

  99. 99 jezebel282

    cstrat,

    “fear is all you’ve got.”

    I dunno about you, but I’m all “feared” out. After 8 years of it with Bush/Cheney, it just doesn’t work on me anymore.

    As for illegal aliens, that is becoming less and less of a problem. I hear people are entering Mexico because that’s where the jobs are. In any event, our current system provides all the free care they could possibly want.

  100. 100 sudds

    “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”

    Right cstratct???

  101. 101 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

  102. 102 cstratct

    Oh I get it Sudds, because I believe that people who work hard for their money and for their families should be able to have access to proper healthcare to live the American Dream I’m a communist.

    Show me where I’ve advocated for a federal takeover of all media and businesses. Show me where I’ve called for the government to rescind our liberties and freedoms.

    Come now, show me the post. That’s right, you can’t.

    That’s typical conservative fear-mongering. Don’t agree with conservative “principles,” he/she must be a communist.

  103. 103 sudds

    “Show me where I’ve advocated for a federal takeover of all media”

    you don’t have to… ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN & MSNBC have already got that one covered for ya!!!

  104. 104 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    LMFAO!

    Please don’t tell me you only watch the “fair & balanced” Fox News. Your hero is Glen Beck maybe?

  105. 105 sudds

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

    Hmm… where exactly does it say “and give them all sorts of free sh*t”???

    Besides, you have GOT to put it in perspective… when that was written only about 10-20% of our country was inhabited… we NEEDED people to survive!

  106. 106 sudds

    “Please don’t tell me you only watch…”

    I don’t watch any cable news… they are all leaning too far to one side or the other!!!

  107. 107 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Slow down, buddy. You’re getting all flustered.

    “ABC, NBC, CBS” not cable.

    “Hmm… where exactly does it say “and give them all sorts of free sh*t”???”

    “The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed’

    Did you think that meant for them to bring their stock portfolios with them?

    “Besides, you have GOT to put it in perspective… when that was written only about 10-20% of our country was inhabited… we NEEDED people to survive!”

    So was “From each according to his abilities, to each according to their need.”

    So you’re saying we should take down the sign and turn off the light?

    The Suddsian philosophy of “I got mine. Screw you.”?

  108. 108 sudds

    “Oh I get it Sudds, because I believe that people who work hard for their money and for their families should be able to have access to proper healthcare to live the American Dream I’m a communist.”

    Umm… you’re kind of contridicting yourself here! if you work hard and make money… then you probably have health insurance, no?

  109. 109 sudds

    “Did you think that meant for them to bring their stock portfolios with them?”

    NO… but nor does it say that we’ll give them anything when they arrive!

    “So you’re saying we should take down the sign and turn off the light?”

    NO… but I don’t think that we should welcome everyone with free health insurance ,welfare, etc, etc, etc.

    “The Suddsian philosophy of “I got mine. Screw you.”?”

    NO… it’s more like “let’s stop the cycle of people/familes who survive solely on government assistance*” (* this excludes those who actually NEED the assistance)

  110. 110 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “NO… but nor does it say that we’ll give them anything when they arrive!”

    If you immigrate here legally (like getting an H1B or applying for a green card) you have to prove you’re healthy. Including medical records and x-rays. If you immigrate illegally, well, right now you can walk into any ER.

    “let’s stop the cycle of people/familes who survive solely on government assistance”

    I’m not sure who you are talking about, but I am sure that it is a minority of those who need assistance. And those who get are citizens.

    Oh, and by the way, most sole proprietors of small businesses (less than 25 people) are hard pressed to afford even minimal health insurance. Walmart suggests Medicare/Medicaid for their employees. The point is that you can work your butt off and that does not necessarily mean you get health insurance.

  111. 111 cstratct

    No Sudds it’s not a contradiction. Have you heard the term working poor? How many underemployed people do you think have healthcare? Only about half of all Walmart employees have healthcare coverage. What about the other half? What are they supposed to do? That’s just one example.

    And again, for those who have coverage through an employer, the employee contribution is skyrocketing due to the insurance companies ever increasing premiums. The companies can’t keep up so the employees are required to pay an increasing share, reducing their take home pay.

    And as for your media rant, that’s typical Republican talking points. If the media was so stacked against the Republican party and its ideals (what are those again besides fear mongering?), why did GWB get two terms in office? Why did Republicans control the majority in Congress for 6 years at the beginning of the decade? How is it Republicans continue to bring in much larger fundraising totals then their Democratic counterparts?

    Casting the media as Big Brother may work to secure donations, but there’s little if any factual evidence to support the belief that it has an overwhelming impact on voters.

  112. 112 jezebel282

    CStrat,

    “The companies can’t keep up so the employees are required to pay an increasing share, reducing their take home pay.”

    True that. Back in the day, you would calculate the G&A for each employee at about 15-20%. Don’t laugh…it was true. Now it is more like 30%.

    That is a huge obstacle to overcome at P&L time. It stresses everything from cash flow to productivity to share value to morale.

    In countries with national health insurance the business burden is…wait for it….zero.

    Without the political agendas of the Party of No and the billions health insurance, pharma, and providers pump into campaign funds it would be the best thing to happen to small business ever.

  113. 113 jezebel282

    Update:

    Do they really think we are THAT stupid?

    “…Insurers say they must raise rates to cover skyrocketing healthcare costs at a time when more people are dropping coverage because of financial hardship. Higher costs are then spread among a smaller pool of paying customers, they say….”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61O4NV20100306

    More people are dropping coverage so they have to raise rates?

    What “free market” are they operating in? Less demand means higher prices?
    I hope some Republican explains it to me.

  114. 114 1george1

    Jeze + Sudds + Chris

    Best debate of issues I have read on this blog.

    Health Care is a national issue, which extends to Stratford residents.

    I am tempted …. but …. 🙂 🙂 😉 8)

    During and after WW II until the 60s – 70s the USA was a command
    economy with the military and other institutions having feeder
    companies in every Congressional District.

    Healthcare costs were borne by Employers.

    After the 1961 Eisenhower farewell their was an intentional change
    in domestic policy. CT, John Moran Bailey had been taping into the
    Hartford Insurance companys for years, as writen by his biographer
    Joseph Lieberman.
    Bailey was head of the DTC from 1961 to 1968, and the assault on the
    american people was started by killing JFK, MLK, RFK who were all
    against expanding SO VIETnam war.
    MLK was murdered on the 1 year abbiversary of being against War.

    1967 War between Israel – Arabs and escalation began in SO VIETnam,
    while prices of OIL started as the OIL WEAPON and POT – then COKE
    started flooding the streets and all those CASH COWS were being used
    to replace the MAFIA as owners of the JUDGES – POLICE – POLITICIANS

    See KNAPP COMMISSION

    EISENHOWER warned of the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL CONGRESS Complex
    NIXON proved it existed, exposing all the different parts of the FED
    Departments and Agencys by installing a TAPE SYSTEM NIXON knew
    existed, but none of the criminal violators of law – Constitution.

    Watergate was Act 2 with Iran Contra Act 5
    In between?

    ACT 3
    Unelected
    President Ford (Warren Commissioner)
    V. P. Nelson Rockefeller
    Trilateral sponsor David Rockefeller (chase bank)

    ACT 4
    FRANK CHURCH COMMITTEE on INTELLIGENCE ABUSES
    CIA – Family Jewels
    FBI – CoIntel – domestic spying and terrorism
    DOD – coordianation of international trade – terrorism

  115. 115 jezebel282

    George,

    “I am tempted …. but”

    We are so glad you were able to resist.

  116. 116 cstratct

    Come on Jezebel, we already know the answer to your question.

    In order to maintain profit margins and meet shareholders and “market” expectations, someone has to provide the financial resources. The ones who are dropping out aren’t providing those resources so who is left? That’s right, the people still enrolled.

    The hospitals and insurance companies both have to answer to the “market.” Note that I didn’t say the free market. The “market” that got us into the financial mess we’re in and the “free market” Repbulicans are so fond of promoting are two totally separate entities. The deck is actually stacked against the “free market” and NOT because of regulation.

  117. 117 1george1

    Chris,

    Excellent post.

    If the deck is stacked and not because of regulation …..
    does that suggest the possibility of …..

    c o n s p i r a c y ?

    Naaaaaaaahhhh!

  118. 118 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “The ones who are dropping out aren’t providing those resources so who is left?”

    I think it is even worse than that. I think the margins are more or less the same, but the volume is down. It’s not as if only the healthy one are losing their jobs/coverage. Unemployment doesn’t care if you’re healthy or not.

    Rather than take the hit like every other (except banks, of course) industry, the insurance companies simply increase the burden on those who are left including taxpayers.

    It is nearly impossible to make COBRA payments and rent/mortgage/utilities/food on Unemployment compensation. Something has to go. For most people, gambling on their health is the viable option. They are betting they can stay healthy a few more months.
    However, since their coverage has probably lapsed, the insurance companies will deny coverages for anything that has happen to them in their lifetimes when they get a new job.

    It is not even about R’s vs. D’s anymore. R’s know something has to be done. They just don’t want it done while Obama is in charge. And the billions of dollars directed at their campaign funds make it much more palatable for them.

    The surest way to reduce medical cost is to not go to the hospital. That means that years before you have that heart attack you should see a doctor and be given blood pressure meds and statins. Years before you go to the ER for 30 minutes of albuterol you should have had a scrip for Symbacort, Spiriva or other bronchodilator. These procedures are called “c-o-m-m-o-n s-e-n-s-e”.

  119. 119 sudds

    “And as for your media rant, that’s typical Republican talking points. If the media was so stacked against the Republican party and its ideals (what are those again besides fear mongering?), why did GWB get two terms in office? Why did Republicans control the majority in Congress for 6 years at the beginning of the decade? How is it Republicans continue to bring in much larger fund-raising totals then their Democratic counterparts?”

    Maybe because Americans feel that Democrats aren’t very good at governing! And considering that the Dems have had a (as Jez put it) m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y for the last 12+ months… and have have SH*T… maybe they were right!!!

    The real question shouldn’t be how did Bus win a second term… it should be how the @#$% did the Dems not beat him??? Oh that’s right… look back to my previous paragraph!!!

  120. 120 sudds

    “It is not even about R’s vs. D’s anymore. R’s know something has to be done.”

    Agreed… too bad that it has to be “politics” as usual, and that they can’t meet in the middle on a compromise.

    Even I am for reform… but a government takeover is NOT something I can support! (see Castro, Fidel)

  121. 121 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Maybe because Americans feel that Democrats aren’t very good at governing!”

    As a wise man once said ( OK, Will Rogers): “I am not a member of any organized party. I’m a Democrat.”

    “Even I am for reform… but a government takeover is NOT something I can support!”

    You know, there are people who have no problem with government programs (like EZ Pass?). I suggest that your wonderful private insurance that you like so much continue. But for those who wish one, a government program should be available. That’s, what do R’s call it?, free choice.

  122. 122 1george1

    A prior blog of the “play write” called
    democrats marxists
    republicans terrorists.

    The both thrive on intentional failure.

  123. 123 sudds

    “But for those who wish one, a government program should be available. That’s… free choice.”

    Come on Jez… you’re smarter than that (or you think that we’re dumber that that)! Once companies have to choose between a $4,000 per employee “penalty” for not providing coverage to their employees… or $12,000 a year per employee to provide health coverage for their employees… private health insurance is NOT going to be an option!!!

    So, your plan is actually KILLING free choice… NOT creating it!!!

  124. 124 jezebel282

    Suddsy,

    “So, your plan is actually KILLING free choice… NOT creating it!!!”

    So we should make the penalty bigger?

  125. 125 sudds

    NO!!!

    I personally think that we should leave healthcare the way it is now, only install criteria/rules/etc that healtch insurance providers must meet which (a) open/ensure availability, (b) decrease premiums and (c) limit the profits that these companies make.

    I agree that they make WAY too much by limiting people’s coverage… but let’s not turn it over to an organization (i.e. our Federal Government) that has NEVER shown the ability to run a program effectively!!!

    PS… it was really the “sweetheart deals” offered to certain states that TRULY showed me that our government can’t be trusted with running our healthcare! before the bill even passed we had already found ourselves with an “Animal Farm” scenarion playing itself out (“All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others”)… and we all know what “Animal Farm” was really about, right???

    (cue George Mulligan in 3… 2… 1…)

  126. 126 cstratct

    So introducing a “public option” for healthcare is “actually killing free choice.” Hmmm, that’s interesting, because the point is to make healthcare more affordable so that employers and/or citizens can get insurance in the first place.

    I’ll bet every insurance company loves the idea of requiring every citizen to have insurance. I haven’t heard many of the companies stepping up to fight that provision. So here’s a question sudds, say we were to start with a “clean sheet of paper” as McConnell and other have suggested. What is the plan?

    Let me guess, we’ll start with Tort reform allowing people to buy insurance across state lines. Of course that will mean rewriting countless laws across every state since each regulates the industry differently. But let’s put it on the table.

    What else? Everybody agrees that fraud and waste in the system is a problem so, I doubt anyone would find a reason to object to streamlining and electronic records and such. Of course rooting out fraud will take resources, so whether we like it or not there will have to be money allocated for that, at least at the outset.

    What do we have so far?

    1)Tort reform
    2) Nationwide access to plans
    3) Fraud and waste reductions

    What other plans do the Republicans offer? How would the millions who currently have no healthcare or insurance get one or the other? Or should they just go without as they have been doing?

  127. 127 cstratct

    Should have been an “and” between “we’ll start with Tort reform” and “allowing people to buy insurance across state lines.”

  128. 128 jezebel282

    Sudds!

    “(c) limit the profits that these companies make.”

    That is SO Marxist! Are you a commie or something?

  129. 129 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I personally think that we should leave healthcare the way it is now”

    And would that be because you have health insurance and make enough money to afford it?

  130. 130 1george1

    Thanks Sudds,

    But I am still waiting for comments on George’s Pension issues,
    which none of the bloggers want to debate or comment on?

  131. 131 jezebel282

    From the Rupert Murdoch owned (Marxist?) Wall Street Journal:

    Health Reform Passes the Cost Test

    By DAVID M. CUTLER

    Many people are worried that the health-care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats will fail to bend the “cost curve.” A number of commentators are urging no votes because of this, and Republicans have asked the president to start health reform over, focusing squarely on the issue of cost reduction.

    These calls overlook the actual legislation. Over the past year of debate, 10 broad ideas have been offered for bending the health-care cost curve. The Democrats’ proposed legislation incorporates virtually every one of them. Here they are:

    • Form insurance exchanges. These would help curb underwriting and inefficient marketing practices that raise costs in the small-group and individual insurance markets. This is addressed in all the House and Senate bills, and the president’s proposal. Grade: Full credit.

    • Reduce excessive prices, including those of supplemental plans enrolling Medicare beneficiaries. The president’s proposal reduces these Medicare Advantage overpayments and others to different providers, even in the face of Republican claims that reducing such overpayments is tantamount to rationing care for seniors. Grade: Full credit.

    • Moving to value-based payment in Medicare. Both Democrats and Republicans have called for moving from a system where volume drives reimbursement to one where value drives reimbursement. The president’s proposal includes virtually every idea offered for doing this. Grade: Full credit.

    • Tax generous insurance plans. Health-insurance benefits are excluded from income taxation, providing incentives for excessively generous insurance. Many economists have proposed capping the tax exclusion to reduce these incentives. The president’s proposal taxes some of the most generous policies, though it has deferred the date by which these taxes take effect. Grade: Partial credit.

    • Empower an independent Medicare advisory board. Interest-group politics intrudes too deeply within the mechanics of Medicare policy, raising program costs and hindering efforts to improve care. Despite powerful opposition, the president proposes this independent board and a process for fast-tracking such recommendations through Congress. Grade: Full credit.

    • Combat Medicare fraud and abuse. The administration has started an active task force to combat these problems. Other ideas to reduce fraud and abuse were presented at the recent health-care summit, and were incorporated in the president’s proposal. Grade: Full credit.

    • Malpractice reform. Defensive medicine is a small but important driver of medical spending. The reform proposal makes some headway, encouraging states to experiment with alternative mechanisms to reduce malpractice burdens. More could be done—for example, specialized malpractice courts and a safe harbor for physicians practicing evidence-based medicine—but the president’s proposal makes a start. Grade: Partial credit.

    • Invest in information technology. Many studies suggest savings in the tens of billions of dollars from IT investment. The stimulus bill passed a year ago contains funds to wire the medical system over the next few years, and the administration is supplementing this with significant funds to analyze the comparative effectiveness of different treatments—even in the face of “death panel” claims. Grade: Full credit.

    • Prevention. The president’s proposal includes significant public-health investments, provides new incentives for physicians to focus on preventive and chronic care, and opens Medicare to finding new ways of supporting prevention. The only area of weakness is the lack of a junk food tax or tax on sugar sweetened beverages. Grade: Partial credit.

    • Create a public option. A public insurance option would provide competition for insurers in areas that are nearly a monopoly and provide a path for reforms in Medicare to expand readily in the under-65 population. The public option was eliminated because of Republican opposition, however. Grade: No credit.

    So reform gets full credit on six of the 10 ideas, partial credit on three others, and no credit on one. The area of no credit (a public option) is because Republicans opposed the idea. One area receives only partial credit because of Democratic opposition (malpractice reform) and two other areas reflect general hesitancy to increase taxes (taxing Cadillac plans and taxing drivers of obesity).

    Why is reform viewed so negatively? In part, it may reflect the perfect being the enemy of the good. If the only passing grade is 10 out of 10, then reform clearly fails. But given where the Republican Party is on a public option, no reform will get a passing grade. If both parties were willing to raise taxes and Republicans negotiated malpractice reform for their overall support, we could probably get a nine out of 10.

    Reform is also viewed negatively because official scorekeepers do not believe anything on this list other than reducing prices will save much money. The Congressional Budget Office has consistently estimated that policies built around changing incentives and thus encouraging more efficient care will not have any effect on cost trends. My own calculations, mirrored by other observers and a host of business and provider groups, suggest that the reforms will save nearly $600 billion over the next decade and even more in the subsequent one.

    Of course, no one knows precisely how much medical spending increases will moderate. But one cannot doubt the commitment to try. What is on the table is the most significant action on medical spending ever proposed in the United States. Should we really walk away from that?

    Mr. Cutler is a professor of economics at Harvard University.
    Printed in The Wall Street Journal, page A21

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703936804575108080266520738.html

    So? How about Congress passes this like tomorrow?

  132. 132 sudds

    WOW… how noble of Mr. Cutler to support something that HE @#$%ING WROTE!!!

    “Cutler was one of the chief architects of President Barack Obama’s health care plan”

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2009/1/30/cutler-to-serve-obama-in-dc/

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    I’ve written several laws whereby PCS would be forced to leave her husband and live as my concubine… do you think they’ll let me write an article supporting it!?!?!

  133. 133 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Cutler was one of the chief architects of President Barack Obama’s health care plan”

    Yeah! Who wants a Harvard professor of economics advising anyone on healthcare? Everyone knows Harvard is a hotbed of Marxism. Say, does a Harvard doctorate beat your MBA?

  134. 134 sudds

    “does a Harvard doctorate beat your MBA”

    a degree from http://www.collegeinpjs.com beats my MBA!!! 😛

  135. 135 sudds

    Bur seriously…

    If this guy is the best that the (again, as Jez put it) m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y can do… then Obama is REALLY in more trouble on this than I thought!

    The fact that this guy wrote the article is actually laughable and probably does more to hurt the chances of the bill passing!!! (which is probably why the WSJ even published it)

  136. 136 1george1

    I believe a certain universal minimum deduction should be allowed
    for AUTO INSURANCE LIABILITY and base coverage in both State &
    Federal income tax, since auto insurance is mandatory!

    This deduction or convertible to matching cash back, depending
    on gross incomes (since income tax is progressive) would be the
    exact same per individual insured, regardless of numbers of vehicles
    and year / cost of the vehicle.

    The deduction or cash back might be $ 500 per insured person.
    The vehicle could be 2010 Rolls or 1998 Van – same $$
    A person could own a Jay Leno fleet of vehicles… so Jay Leno,
    you only get 1 deductable.

    A business could have 100 active vehicles to get 100 deductions
    as long as there were a matching number of drivers with minimum
    number of work hours.
    Sorry Jay Leno, still 1 deductable.
    Unless you personally can cost justfy lowering unemployment …

  137. 137 1george1

    I favor a FEDERAL BILL to lower the cost of MEDICAL SCHOOL and
    COLLEGE LOANS affiliated with increasing the number of QUALIFIED
    and COMPETENT DOCTORS and NURSES.

    If we enable 200 % to 400 % of COMPETENT people to become Doctors
    easing their ability to afford to become same, we increase competition
    in fields where baby boomers are 200 % greater than their parents and
    the greatest generation, shouldn’t free market competition decrease
    costs, especially by enabling more flexiblity and less cost to establish
    practices.

    General Practicianers make 50 % less than specialist, yet there is a
    great need for family doctors.

    Couldn’t and shouldn’t tax laws and grant / loan laws be used to help
    the “invisible hand?”

  138. 138 1george1

    I consider Doctors and certain Scientists to have first rate minds.

    Lawyers and certain other fields like bean counting and insurance
    have second rate minds and the intellectual equivalent of penis
    envy to suck the financial revenues of their intellectual and
    hypocrattic superiors vs their hypocritical peers.

    The general public of business owners and ranking workers tend
    to have the next level of intellect.

    Then there is Intelligence, military, political, and enforcement
    community of knuckle heads and knuckle draggers who tend to
    see the world as their to conquor and dominate from troglodyte
    warrens, bunkers, and hidden positions.
    Often they are surrogates and supported by those misnomered
    homo sadists designated as: nobility, lords, peers, presidents,
    judges, Senate, Congress, Corporate leaders, etc.

    The USA set up appeared to be set up to prevent exactly what
    happened since Eisenhower’s warning.

  139. 139 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “this guy is the best that the (again, as Jez put it) m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y can do”

    You’ll note that it was in the WSJ. You have to tailor what you write to who is reading. Obviously he is writing for all the warm-hearted, generous folks on Wall Street.

  140. 140 1george1

    Sudds,

    Jeze has been torching you with logic, compassion, statistics, and more,
    while you mostly wise crack.

    You never counter local statistics I post, in a manner a MBA would make
    numbers dance…

    I am starting to wonder what MBA abbreviation really menas …. ? 🙂

    Sudds, could the “B” really be BS?
    Sudds, you often posted about “A” anal cavities ….

    Jeze, or others, what do you think MBA stands for, based on
    Sudds posts? 8)

  141. 141 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze has been torching you with logic, compassion, statistics, and more,
    while you mostly wise crack.”

    Now, now…that’s all Sudds has. Like the rest of the GOP.

  142. 142 1george1

    8)
    🙂
    😉

    Jeze, we give each other a hard time.

    Every once in awhile, it is only fair that I throw you some praise.
    I acknowledge, you do give me some considerations…..

    You, Sudds, and I love to wise crack, to be fair to Sudds,
    who is so delusional he roots for JAY CUTLER’S ex-team. 😉

  143. 143 sudds

    “Jeze has been torching you with logic, compassion, statistics, and more,
    while you mostly wise crack.”

    I get paid for proper MBA analysis Georgie-Boy!!! Besides… the thought that the few posters on this blog are actually going to decide whether or not we get socialized healthcare is laughable!!!

  144. 144 sudds

    “You, Sudds, and I love to wise crack, to be fair to Sudds,
    who is so delusional he roots for JAY CUTLER’S ex-team.”

    Low-blow George… low-blow!!!

  145. 145 sudds

    “Now, now…that’s all Sudds has. Like the rest of the GOP.”

    (disclaimer: although technically a member because I switched so I could vote in the mayoral primary, I still consider myself an “I”)

    The GOP doesn’t need anything… the Dems are doing a great job at shooting themselves in the foot…

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Pelosi Remarks at the 2010 Legislative Conference for National Association of Counties.

    Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi delivered a speech this morning at the 2010 Legislative Conference for the National Association of Counties (NACo). This year marks the 75th anniversary of the organization. Below are the Speaker’s remarks:

    yadda, yadda, healthcare, yadda, yadda…

    “But we have to pass the bill SO THAT YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT IS IN IT”

    yadda, yadda, WAIT… WTF did she just say???

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The best part is that this can be found on the dumba$$es own website:

    http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576

  146. 146 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Dangerous waters there…remember Karl Rove and Dick Cheney? Gold Ole Karl lost both houses of congress and the white house.

    Dick Cheney (and his progeny) are the gift that never stops giving:

    “Former Independent Counsel Ken Starr called Liz Cheney “unwise” on Monday night for using her group, Keep America Safe, to launch “out of bounds” attacks on Justice Department lawyers.

    Starr, a former appellate judge who led the investigation into the affair of President Bill Clinton, is one of several leading conservative lawyers who have reprimanded Cheney for an ad going after the Obama administration lawyers that defended suspected terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34131.html#ixzz0hiWitLhl

    You can’t just hang out on http://www.teapartypatriots.org/

  147. 147 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “the thought that the few posters on this blog are actually going to decide whether or not we get socialized healthcare is laughable!!!”

    You are absolutely correct. However, after listening to old white guys like Jim Bunning or Mitch McConnell it is a pleasure to have a simple discussion where common sense occurs from time to time.

    BTW, did anyone second your motion for the concubation of PCS?

  148. 148 sudds

    “Dangerous waters there…remember Karl Rove and Dick Cheney? ”

    Ummm Jez… it’s 2010 baby!!! “It’s Bush’s fault” is so 2008 my dear!!!

    Perhaps you forgot (or you just pray that we forgot about) THIS…

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=video_result&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CA8QtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do5t8GdxFYBU&rct=j&q=obama+transparency+5+days&ei=hMCWS–VApC1tge99PDpDQ&usg=AFQjCNGXzjC9J0zXdoQWyPdmfQYgxGrMtQ

  149. 149 sudds

    “You can’t just hang out on http://www.teapartypatriots.org/

    Hmmm… I’ve never actually been to that site before, but thanks for the referal!!!

    PS… I got the tidbit about Pelosi above from the website that your party is not letting their staffers view… http://www.drudgereport.com

    It’s such a waste that Senate Staffers are no longer fully able to enjoy that great creation of Al Gore’s know as the internet!!! (oh God… I just threw up in my mouth a little) 😆

  150. 150 sudds

    “BTW, did anyone second your motion for the concubation of PCS?”

    No… but I’m willing to offer up one of those Obama sweetheart offers if anyone is interested!!! Dang… too bad Ben Nelson doesn’t live in Stratford!!!

  151. 151 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Ummm Jez… it’s 2010 baby!!”

    Why, it seems like only yesterday Karl Rove…wait a minute. It WAS yesterday!

    “Perhaps you forgot (or you just pray that we forgot about) THIS…”

    Perhaps you forgot the “Patriot Act” or the unfunded “No Child Left Behind”?

    “that great creation of Al Gore’s know as the internet!!!”

    It’s like a series of tubes (Ted Stevens R-Alaska), right?

  152. 152 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Just be thankful Larry Craig doesn’t live in Stratford. Lord knows who you would…never mind.

  153. 153 phineast

    Jez-the biggest problem with the proposed “reforms” is the fact that insurance is all about the bottom line-actual patient health care is secondary. It’s about money. It is being “promoted” as being about actual health care-but in fact it is all about money. Ultimately this WILL end up being like the No Child Left Behind” that is costing billions of dollars every year OR what will happen is the people on the “public option” will be denied payment access to their specific health needs because of exclusions. It is all there in black and white-read the bill. Just the fact that Obama is trying to force a vote before all the questions are answered shows me there are still many more questions to be asked.
    He should be focusing on putting America back to work and making insurance competitive between the states and the companies themselves instead of guiding business to the worst company out there and hand them a government “monopoly”.
    This bill is poorly written and so complex that even the people that are sponsoring it don’t truly understand it. If they don’t get it how is anyone else going to? Even Obama only talks about bits and pieces of it-I doubt he even really understands what is written.
    Believe me I get the need that is out there. I honestly believe that the current approach is not the way to go.–What you think you see is not what you will be getting.

  154. 154 1george1

    “You, Sudds, and I love to wise crack, to be fair to Sudds,
    who is so delusional he roots for JAY CUTLER’S ex-team.”

    Low-blow George… low-blow!!!

    Sudds, let’s not insult gay midgets ….. 😉
    Sorry … very old punch line ….

  155. 155 1george1

    Phin,

    I agree, with your priority of jobs first, to afford Health Care:

    Good Job, including cost effective Health Insurance like 1950s – 1960s
    Command Economy feeder companies.

    If consumer spending is 70 % of the GNP / GDP, how is it maintained with
    10 % unemployed and 10 % under employed with 12 % of all worker in some
    form of government employment, where the pay is higher than private
    sector and no comparision on benefits, pushing State Budget deficits
    towards repudiation or give aways

    Phin – I think you and Sudds and maybe even Jeze will agree with the above.

    ….. which I believe were always intended to be double crossed to
    allow the oversight people to be bribed from theUSA wealth being
    off shored.

    ===== Ploy to bring CHRIS to post.

    Dogstar DMG’s GM Doug McAward will tour Shakespeare Friday morning
    with Matt Catalano according to Bruce Allessie tonight at the Economic
    Development meeting…..

    Thursday 7:00 pm Harrison Ford 😉 will make appearance at Baldwin Center
    on the Development Center presentation

  156. 156 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “It’s about money.”

    You are absolutely correct. When your your hospital charges you $1.50 for an aspirin and another $0.75 for “administering” the drug, something is seriously wrong.

    When your insurance company raises your premium because your company laid off 20% of it’s employees and your “group” is smaller, something is seriously wrong.

    When the maintenance drug you take for blood pressure/cholesterol/glaucoma has been on the market for 20 years but the “new” version is “extended release” and still costs $3-$4 per TABLET something is wrong.

    “what will happen is the people on the “public option” will be denied payment access to their specific health needs because of exclusions.”

    Let’s be clear here; there is no public option in the current bill. Even if there was, the Insurance companies would make billions of dollars selling supplemental insurance (if you can afford it).

    “Believe me I get the need that is out there. I honestly believe that the current approach is not the way to go.–What you think you see is not what you will be getting.”

    Again, I agree. The current “approach” is more like armed conflict than any sort of discussion or negotiation. Rush Limbaugh said it very clearly, very early and very often; the GOP agenda is to cause the failure of anything a Democrat proposes.

    Just like Bush used to call anyone opposed to the war in Iraq a traitor (Liz Cheney is currently carrying on that proud tradition), anyone supporting a public option or even healthcare reform is called a “socialist”.

    I have utilized both private health insurance (mine) and “government run” health insurance (my relative’s). To date Medicare is an absolute breeze compared to what I have to go through with my highly priced free market private health insurance.

  157. 157 1george1

    Jeze,
    I concur with your above post.

    Any chance you would watch 2 movies and comment about them?

    1 – “3 Days of the Condor” – 1970s Redford film about CIA newspaper/magazine
    reader who discovers an American intelligence plot to go to WAR to take over
    a mid-East Oil rich country. (fiction)
    A – Relates to you Bush – Cheney comments about WAR for OIL.
    B – IRAQ + IRAN OIL were taken off the SPOT MARKET creating artificial shortage
    and $ 140 OIL price, w $ 80 present price – DOUBLE the REAGAN YEARS highest $$.
    C – SAUDI ARABIA – home of 9/11 pilots – DECREASED production, aiding price increase, while RUSSIA conveniently surged to # 1 OIL exported & was # 1 natural
    gas exporter for decades due to GAS PIPELINE through East Europe to West Europe
    D – Communist Russia and Communist China now the most successful CAPITALISTS?

    2 – 2005 Movie Documentary: “Who KILLED the ELECTRIC CAR?”
    A – 1996 GM EV – 1 “Volt” coup could read 100 mph and got 100 miles per charge
    B – 1999 Vehicle could get 200 miles per charge
    C – Average car owner drives about 26 miles a day or 182 miles a week=1 charge

    These relate to your blog’s and personal social awareness and national views.

    I am not asking about conspiracies >
    I am asking about:
    1 – WAR for OIL control and then not using the OIL (raising prices)
    2 – ELECTRIC CAR, which could reduce the 70 % of 20 million barrels of
    OIL a DAY IMPORTED and used in the TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY that
    includes personal auto use and economy to scale COULD decrease OIL
    use in COMMERCIAL VANS – PICK UP / OTHER TRUCKS and TRACTOR
    TRAILER, especially in CA, SW, and south, where Solar energy gets more
    sun.

    What would happen to price of GAS + HEATING if 1/2 OIL imports
    were eliminated?

    If that happened, what would happen to company profits and ability
    to hire people, cutting unemployment, which affects consumer spending
    which is 70 % of GDP – GNP

    If less unemployment and higher jobs, wages, and profits, what would
    happen to the overall economy and affect on individual portfolios and
    property values?

    NOT EVEN a CONSIDERATION about CONSPIRACY and TRAIL for CRIMES
    against HUMANITY – just a positive attempt to improve the USA …. 😉

  158. 158 1george1

    QUESTION:

    If the people who control the USA INTELLIGENCE

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/georges-page/#comment-10852

  159. 159 jezebel282

    George,

    “Any chance you would watch 2 movies and comment about them?”

    No.

  160. 160 1george1

    Jeze,
    Didn’t you comment “no” about watching 2 movies?

    The 3 days of the condor is more entertaining, despite age.
    The electric car is less entertaining but shockingly informative
    about on the shelf technology, which could have kept GM from
    tanking ….. and benefited the USA and our people.

    Maybe even pre-empted the Iraq war ….

    Yeah – I expected the other post to be moved.

  161. 161 jezebel282

    George,

    If you are going to bring up movies rather than participate in the discussion, at least bring up Michael Moore’s “Sicko”.

  162. 162 1george1

    Have not seen Sicko.
    Is that the biography of _______________ ?
    dick miron
    jim miron
    burturla
    loschiavo
    schirillo
    winterbottom
    Be UTTER NUTs

    Last month, I requested Library to buy Capitalism – love story
    They would look into it for after March 6

  163. 163 jezebel282

    Health Care Good, System Bad

    Mike Treder
    Mike Treder
    Ethical Technology

    Posted: Mar 11, 2010

    You can make an argument that the quality of health care in the United States is as good as anywhere in the world (if you can afford it)—but the system we use to allocate and pay for that care is obviously broken and needs to be fixed.

    I received a call earlier this week from a freelance reporter who writes for a health care blog, and we had a long conversation about the ills of medical insurance in America.

    One thing I emphasized to her is the fallacy of conservatives repeatedly claiming that “the U.S. health care system is the best in the world!”

    Yes, the care that is provided here is quite good. Expensive but good. Very good, but really expensive.

    By now, anyone who’s been paying attention (or paying insurance premiums) knows that health care costs in the United States are out of control.
    Costs keep going up and up and up—and yet our results, overall, are comparatively mediocre.
    It should be obvious and beyond dispute that something needs to change. And we can put that argument into terms that not only are morally compelling but also make good sound business sense.

    Three reasons why the U.S. system of employer-provided, for-profit health insurance should be replaced with something better:

    1. It places American companies at a competitive disadvantage.

    In virtually every other major industrialized nation, the cost of providing medical insurance to individuals is borne by the state rather than by employers.

    What this means is that U.S.-based companies, faced with paying for most if not all of their employees’ health insurance premiums (which includes both active and retired employees) are at a severe disadvantage. They are on an uneven playing field when it comes to competing for market share with companies from other nations.

    It is a testament to American business that our trade deficits are not worse than they already are. If that burden of covering employees health care costs were to be removed, it could provide a huge boost to the U.S. economy and potentially make a big difference in reducing unemployment.

    2. It forces insurance companies to make no-win ethical choices.

    By its very nature, any for-profit business will try to maximize its bottom line. Nothing wrong with that. A company’s first responsibility is to its owners and/or shareholders. That’s how capitalism works, and in most cases, for most kinds of business, it works just fine.

    If a company doesn’t focus effectively on making a profit, it will go out of business. The profit motive is generally a positive aspect of a capitalist society. It makes companies compete, work harder, try to please their customers, and excel at what they do. So far, so good.

    But when it comes to medical insurance, that goal of maintaining and increasing profits—an ethical responsibility that every company owes to its stakeholders—can run smack up against other ethical priorities related to the well-being of the company’s customers, its insured.

    To make more money, an insurance company may need to reduce costs. That might require dropping customers who are costing too much—taking too much out of the system—in favor of those who are healthier and don’t need the benefits. It could mean deliberately denying service for people who are in need. Sometimes it results in misleading if not outright dishonest practices: misinformation, obfuscation, delay, complexity; anything to slow down payouts and cut down on claims.

    I’m not justifying such tactics on the part of insurance companies, but I also think it’s not fair to blame them entirely for doing what for-profit entities have to do. Here in the United States, we have put those businesses into the untenable position of making decisions about ethical matters that are in conflict with one another. Either way, they can’t win.

    3. It causes the greatest harm to the weakest among us (and ends up costing more in the long run).

    The whole theory behind medical insurance (or, indeed, insurance of any kind) is to reduce costs by sharing risks. By spreading out the burden of paying for insurance roughly equally over everyone, we can guarantee—we can insure—that no single individual is met with catastrophic costs in the event of a major misfortune. This works fine, as long as everyone contributes and everyone is covered.

    In our present system, however, many people aren’t covered and some people don’t contribute.

    The way it works now, those who face the least risk—the healthiest and the richest—are the ones most desired for coverage by for-profit insurance companies. That just makes sense: healthy, successful people can afford to pay higher premiums and, at the same time, are less likely to require large payouts. They are the ideal customers for profit-based insurance enterprises.

    And what that also means, of course, is that those who can least afford good insurance and those who are most likely to require significant coverage—the poorest and the least healthy—are the last people that for-profit insurance companies want to take on as customers. They get weeded out and end up either uninsured or, at best, inadequately insured.

    All of which leads to the poor and the unemployed in America making excessive use of public hospital emergency rooms for all their medical needs. And this, unfortunately, is both the most expensive and the least effective form of health coverage that we could provide for them. But it is what our present system has driven them to.

    The poor and the weak get sicker, and taxpayers end up paying far more than we should to help get them well again. It’s not right, ethically, and it’s also quite foolish economically.

    The point of this article is not to offer or promote any specific solution, although I will say it seems clear to me that some sort of single-payer plan, e.g., expansion of Medicare, makes the most sense in the long run. But what I want to convey today is that our current way of doing things here in the United States is not only morally dubious, but also downright bad business. We can do better, and we should.
    http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/treder20100311/

  164. 164 sudds

    If only the Democrats (who control the House, Senate & Executive branches) had a clue on how to govern!!!

  165. 165 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    And if only Republicans didn’t object to the obvious.

  166. 166 sudds

    Jez…

    For the last 12+ months the Republicans could have objected until the cows came it… they didn’t have enough votes to stop squat!!

    You REALLY need to stop trying to blame the Republicans for the Democrats complete and udder incompetence!!!

  167. 167 sudds

    PS… please tell me that at least one person out there understands/finds my cows/udder thing humorous?!?!?! 😆

  168. 168 sudds

    Oops…

    For the last 12+ months the Republicans could have objected until the cows came [HOME]… they didn’t have enough votes to stop squat!!

  169. 169 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “please tell me that at least one person out there”

    Maybe if you call Mrs. Sudds? She might laugh….

  170. 170 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “You REALLY need to stop trying to blame the Republicans for the Democrats complete and udder incompetence!!!”

    Well, you might be right. Perhaps we should just forget about anything the Republicans say and the idea of negotiation. We should just do it the way Republicans did it for 8 years. We can always say we tried…

  171. 171 cstratct

    So here’s a question Sudds…Since there is no “public option” in the current legislation, and there are several Republican issues that have been addressed, why do the R’s continue to object? No “public option” means no scary “government takeover” of the healthcare system. So what is it now?

    It seems to be following the RNC’s fear campaign that was exposed last week. The Republicans aren’t interested in supporting any legislation, even that legislation that addresses their concerns. Tort reform? It’s in there. Fraud and waste? It’s in there. Insurance exchanges? In there. Removal of the “kickbacks”? Done.

    So what is it about this particular legislation that is so “scary”? I really want to know what aspects of this bill you object to. Please don’t just say it’s a government takeover, because without a public option it’s not.

  172. 172 sudds

    “why do the R’s continue to object?”

    Ummm… did you happen to watch the news this summer (other than CNN, MSNBC, etc)??? Did you happen to see a whole &*$%load of people gathering in numerous places around the country??? Did you know that they were NOT meeting to discuss how great the Dems are doing governing our country???

    WAKE UP!!! The PEOPLE of our country do NOT want this!!!

  173. 173 sudds

    “We should just do it the way Republicans did it for 8 years.”

    Seems like your Dems have finally woken up (albeit a bit too late) and are now trying to take this approach anyway!!! If only they had gotten their act together 3 months ago…

  174. 174 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WAKE UP!!! The PEOPLE of our country do NOT want this!!!”

    Suddsy? Really? The TEABAGGERS? We should do what they want? Seriously? That’s what you’re going with? Tell me you are not stroking some sort of weapon while you type the answer.

    It seems to me a lot bigger group got together on Nov 4 2008 and made their opinion known.

  175. 175 phineast

    Jez- I’m not a teabagger and I don’t want it as it is written.–Read the damn thing and you will understand why. What is current being proposed will decimate the middle class that can barely afford what they have.
    Every now and again I wonder if Darwin was right……..this is one of those times.

  176. 176 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “I don’t want it as it is written”

    Me neither. I would be perfectly happy just lowering the age limit to Medicare to birth.

    But Insurance reform is a start. There are the service and pharma legs of this stool (used in the medical way) that must be addressed.

    But after a full year of (mostly) useless debate, this is the best we can expect from our elected “representatives”.

    Let’s see how quickly the need for banking reform fails us too.

  177. 177 jezebel282

    One more point.

    Sometimes, not that often, but sometimes, a free market approach is just not appropriate.

    We don’t use it in our schools, we don’t use it our prisons, we don’t use it for our police and fire protection and we don’t use it to fund highways and bridges.

    Why we should use it when our lives depend on it just doesn’t make much sense to me. We pay premiums to insure that we can pay for treatment if we need it. Why should we pay for someone to make a profit from that?

  178. 178 phineast

    That is why I am for non-profit status-not necessarily government run-I know what a muck they made of Medicare, why would I want them to do that to me? Or even you?

    Did you know that right now United Health Care/Oxford/Healthnet(northeast) writes the books that determine the prices in each region for what Healthcare professionals can charge for reimbursement?, They also write all the code books that are the way they determine what is and isn’t covered and every year, yeas every year Healthcare professionals have to buy a brand new book because this company changes a number just slightly to justify the book sale and then doctors and hospitals etc have to employ people to redo the codes every year. Then you send in your claim and someone who barely speaks the language and has almost no knowledge of medicine is the one deciding on the front line if you get coverage. This is the company of choice right now that Obama has in his sights-they have been sued in several states for denying and delaying coverage to patients to make their quarterly numbers appear better to stock holders-look up the NY State case as it is close by..
    There is no doubt in my mind the system is broken.
    There is also no doubt that the general public expects far too much for nothing. There are people out there that have plenty of cigarette cash but whine about the cost of a doctor visit or the medicine they need to help them breath because they smoke…on the other end some people in the health care fields are far too greedy-and there are far toooooooooo many lawyers mixed in for any system to stand a chance of working correctly.

  179. 179 cstratct

    Sudds, with all due respect, there are just as many people in OUR country that do want health insurance and healthcare reform. The town halls you’re referring to turned into shouting matches by those who were intent on drowning out any moderate voices or those who attended to hear what was actually in the legislation. Do you really believe the town halls afforded people who supported the legislation the opportunity to have their voices heard? Most surveys find the country divided on this issue, like many other issues. That’s why there’s compromise. The Republicans wanted to be included in the discussion, Obama held the summit AND incorporated their ideas into the latest legislation.

    I’ll point out again: There is no “public option.” As Jezebel has pointed out previously, we already have socialized medicine. It’s called Medicare and Medicaid. No one is proposing you turn your healthcare decisions over the government. That has NEVER been proposed. And let’s face it, for-profit health insurance companies make healthcare decisions for their subscribers everyday. Each time they deny a procedure, or drop someone’s coverage, or deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition, a healthcare company is making healthcare decisions for individuals. Do you prefer someone who is more concerned with profit then your health making healthcare decisions?

  180. 180 cstratct

    Phin,

    I agree that non-profit would be better, but of course it was the Reagan administration who pushed the health insurance companies to turn for-profit. The reasoning? The “market” would help regulate costs and hold down premiums. Yeah, that worked out really well.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with a court system set up to deal with medical malpractice cases similar to workers compensation courts. But doctors who commit critical errors have to be held accountable. If a person is rendered incapacitated due to medical malpractice, how do you put a cap on what they’re entitled to? How do you know what their earning potential might have been? What about their future medical expenses that result from the malpractice?

    It’s easy to say cap the award, it’s quite another to put it into practice.

  181. 181 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “That is why I am for non-profit status-not necessarily government run-I know what a muck they made of Medicare”

    We are very, very close to completely agreeing with each other. Just two points:

    Medicare is a muck because it was designed to care for the oldest and sickest segment of the population. People who for-profit companies wouldn’t touch with an 11 foot pole: over 65. In the meantime Insurance companies can skim off the healthiest and youngest population.

    “There are people out there that have plenty of cigarette cash but whine about the cost of a doctor visit or the medicine they need to help them breath because they smoke”

    Caring for someone every day with emphysema is not an easy task. You watch them nearly suffocate all day long. Combine that with some other things that happen when you’re in your 80’s and your existence is truly horrible. (Oh, and by the way, quitting cigarettes was ten years ago). The only assistance is from the muck of a system called “Medicare” which subsidizes the oxygen (a very cool machine that separates oxygen from nitrogen) and albuterol. Did this person commit some sort of sin to be punished?

    The only reason cigarettes are still legal is that the government makes more from taxing them than the manufacturers make from selling them. They are the most addictive things man has ever developed.

    (Sorry about that. It just hit close to home)

  182. 182 phineast

    Chris-I don’t care who’s administration made the insurance for profit–they tried the theory it didn’t work so it is time to move on. Balancing it on the backs of what is left of the middle class with making government larger will not work either.

    Jez- My point about the cigarettes was they had money to BURN literally and it had a horrible impact on their health and now they want everyone else to pay for it. You see it with the welfare recipients and medcaid as well–got money to burn for things that are detrimental but expect everyone else to pay for the necessities. That is wrong.
    The reason Medicare is a mess is not because of the users- it is because of how the system is run-it has more layers than an onion and smells far worse. The medicare insured don’t know what is going to be covered until it is submitted-and have to sign responsibility waivers for everything- how can these people make educated decisions if they don’t know if they have coverage and they don’t know what the costs will be if its not covered???? That is just one example……
    By the way Jez-glad to hear you quit….it was a nasty habit who’s momentary pleasure is not worth the cost in the long run….

  183. 183 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Balancing it on the backs of what is left of the middle class with making government larger will not work either.”

    Health insurance is already squarely balanced on the backs of what’s left of the middle class. Anyone who receives a paycheck knows this.

    “got money to burn for things that are detrimental but expect everyone else to pay for the necessities. That is wrong.”

    I’m not sure what it is that causes everyone against a public option to bring up “welfare cheats”. That is such a small minority of people who actually receive Medicaid. The bulk of Medicaid recipients reside in skilled nursing facilities (nursing homes) because almost no one can afford $12,000+/month in care.

    “The medicare insured don’t know what is going to be covered until it is submitted-and have to sign responsibility waivers for everything- how can these people make educated decisions if they don’t know if they have coverage and they don’t know what the costs will be if its not covered???”

    Exactly my point about 20 posts ago. It’s not just Medicare. People with private health insurance don’t know either. You never see the bill your doctor sends in for payment. You have no idea what’s covered and what’s not beyond your two well visits per year. That’s what those girls behind the glass do. Even when you have an HSA account you don’t know. The HSA people don’t talk to the insurance people. What you think is covered might not be.

    And there is a very good reason for that. If you knew your doctor was charging $150 to weigh you and take your blood pressure (that you can do yourself for free) you’d have a fit!

    “By the way Jez-glad to hear you quit….it was a nasty habit who’s momentary pleasure is not worth the cost in the long run….”

    Well, it’s not me. My point was that if you were born in the 1920’s or 30’s, smoking was not the danger we now know it is. We also now know it is more addictive than heroin. It’s not a “habit”, it is truly an addiction. Just watch anyone who hasn’t smoked for, say, 4 or 5 hours. The good news is that, from what I see, younger people are aware of this and not even starting.

    “The reason Medicare is a mess is not because of the users- it is because of how the system is run-it has more layers than an onion and smells far worse”

    By all published accounts, Medicare is run much more efficiently and at lower cost than ANY private health insurance. I am not sure what your point is here.

  184. 184 jezebel282

    By the way, there is an entire industry set up to take advantage of Medicaid. They are called “Estate Planners” and the process is called “getting Medicaid ready”.

    You may not have an asset with a value greater than $1,600 (except a prepaid burial contract) including income for a period of five YEARS prior to applying. Once you enter the skilled nursing facility, any income remaining is paid directly to the Skilled nursing facility and deducted from Medicaid reimbursement. Including Social Security and pension income. You can kiss your 401K goodbye too. The government does allow you to keep $35/month for “personal expenses”.

  185. 185 phineast

    You are correct about the “estate planners” planning for your family to have some type of security by not having to hand over the entire estate to the government. The taxes on estates cause many people to have to forfeit them in the long run. Happened to a relative about 18 months ago-he got whacked with a tax of $10K because his Mom had him as a signer on a reverse mortgage. He did that to keep her out of a nursing home for as long as possible. After she passed he got whacked for money that he never saw a cent of……
    As far a “picking on the small minority” of welfare cheats–I’m glad you think it is a small minority..but it is not-in many many situations it is the “family business” of record handed down from generation to generation….are they all cheats? no. But there are many that are. Anyone who gets any government assistance that is driving around in a fancy car, smoking, drinking or doing drugs is a cheat in my book. It is those people who deprive the ones that really need the help. I still see the woman picking up the Christmas gifts in her Mercedes SUV whining about how come they didn’t get her kid a play station….that is whole different topic though but it is related.
    I must be one of the fools out there- I know exactly what my doctor charges for office visits and plan accordingly for my visits. I read every explanation of benefit that I receive and ask questions if I don’t understand it. It is my responsibility to get it. It is also my responsibility to have a clear understanding of coverage. That is where there is a problem with Medicare-they don’t know if they are going to cover something until they process it. So if you are diabetic and the Doc has changed your medication and you have your levels tested you may not get covered but you might-they aren’t sure….just recently the labs have put the pricing on the signatory sheet that is required to be signed or they won’t do the lab work, to guarantee the patient will pay if Medicare doesn’t- seeing it appear there is a small step toward cost disclosures.
    Doctors have a right to earn a living too, they on average have gone to school for 8-12 years(depends on the specialty) and have exorbitant malpractice premiums to pay. Most doctors have far more knowledge than the average baseball or football player and make a fraction of what these sports people make or actors make or insurance CEO’s make etc…..
    The biggest costs involved in medicine are from litigation and technology—if you don’t use the technology available you end up in litigation….technology is expensive. If you find a way to lower the costs involved with these things health care costs will be lowered by 40%

  186. 186 1george1

    The real problems are the unions, but the ROCKEFELLER ALLIES oversite
    which caused the abuses for political pilferage RAPING the USA:

    1 – Rockefellers

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/georges-page/#comment-10939

  187. 187 1george1

    SUN TSU:
    ART of WAR.

    The political arguments are mired in the trenches over details.

    Meanwhile the BANKS, INSTITUTIONS, TREASURY, FEDERAL RESERVE,
    and WEALTH of the AMERICAN PEOPLE has been systematically looted.

    People argue over Capitalism vs. Socialism.

    Real argument is about intentionally sabotaged government for
    M O N O P O L Y !!

  188. 188 jezebel282

    Update:

    Incredible but true;

    “Republicans believe that if the Democrats are willing to have the government take over our health care system, they should be willing to vote for it — without any gimmicks,” House Republican Leader John Boehner’s office said in a statement. “Democrats wonder why people are so upset with Washington.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/16/pelosi-plan-pass-health-care-traditional-vote-riles-critics/

    This comes a mere two weeks after Jim Bunning (R-KY) singlehandedly denied benefits to the unemployed and federal highway projects. And now Boehner decries “gimmicks”?

    Democrats don’t wonder why people are so upset with Washington. We know exactly why.

  189. 189 cstratct

    No Jezebel, the truly incredible thing is that the Republicans have been threatening filibuster for months while seeking any parlimentary procedure they can find to stop a vote on any number of issues, and now Boehner comes out and says they should vote on healthcare reform “without any gimmicks.”

    Truly ironic when for years Republicans (i.e. GWB) were calling for up-or-down votes on any number of issues. Republicans are using the same tactics Democrats were using when the Republicans had the House, Senate and White House, but are suddenly outraged when their own tactics are used against them.

    And don’t forget it wasn’t just Bunning. Remember that Richard Shelby (R-AL) put a blanket hold on all nominations back in Jan/Feb.

    The Senator’s reason:

    “Shelby blocked almost all of the Obama administration’s pending nominees earlier this month because of a dispute over a contract to build Air Force refueling tankers and the administration’s decision to hold back funding for an FBI facility in Alabama dedicated to research on explosives used by terrorists.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/83935-shelby-denies-obstructionism-charges

    Or perhaps this one is even more to the point:

    Analysis: Republicans setting filibuster record

    “In the 110th Congress of 2007-2008, with Republicans in the minority, there were a record 112 cloture votes. In the current session of Congress — the 111th — for all of 2009 and the first two months of 2010 the number already exceeds 40. The most the filibuster has been used when Democrats were in the minority was 58 times in the 106th Congress of 1999-2000.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRk0FZDifKVczo6ssCt82rw2lTYQD9E60UQ80

  190. 190 jezebel282

    Cstrat:

    OK. You win

  191. 191 cstratct

    Jezebel, I was actually agreeing with you on this, I didn’t mean to step on your toes. Unfortunately the win/lose scenario is why we’re in this mess in the first place. I would say we’re actually on the same team on this issue.

  192. 192 sudds

    Now now children… relax!

    I think the one thing that we can all agree on is that how our federal government currently operates (no matter who is in charge) SUCKS!!!!

  193. 193 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    I knew that. I just thought you like to hear me say “you win” once.

    Sudds,

    Not to worry. You’ll get to keep your expensive insurance for quite a while. Unless you get sick and they kick you out, of course.

    You are correct about the feds, though. They could have just made Medicare available to anyone. Problem solved.

  194. 194 sudds

    Flashback: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/tell-us-again-why-the-public-option-is-a-bad-thing/#comment-10663

    Sudds,

    “Any time “We the People” becomes “We the Chosen Few”… I AM AGAINST IT!!!”

    Welcome to healthcare reform! Over half is not a “chosen few”. We call that a “m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y”.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Question:

    Does your belief still holds when the m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y no longer supports the same thing as you???

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

  195. 195 1george1

    Jeze,

    With all of these discussions about national health care,
    should the posters get their own strings, like you gave me? 😉

    Sudds, I am shocked, shocked, you would insult the RTC?
    Reminds me of the scene from Casa Blanca. 😦

    Chris, Who let you out of the Shakespeare box?
    Daring to agree with Jeze?
    Is your nose turning brown? 😉

    R all of you moving to the LEFT of my conspiracy theories?

    Mike R – nice post.

  196. 196 jezebel282

    Suddsy,

    “Question:

    Does your belief still holds when the m-a-j-o-r-i-t-y no longer supports the same thing as you???”

    Governance by Rasmussen polling?

    “Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.
    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better. Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better.” (Loc cit)

    You should be careful about the links you post. You never know what someone else will find. Now all we have to do is turn that 3% to Socialism……

    And by the way, when the Republican President, the Republican Senate and the Republican House voted to cut taxes for the wealthy, reduce social programs like Section 8, send our young citizens off to two wars, ignore whatever happened on Wall Street, passed the Patriot Act, you want me to go on or are you getting the idea?

  197. 197 jezebel282

    George,

    “With all of these discussions about national health care,
    should the posters get their own strings, like you gave me? ”

    No. You are so much more “special” than anyone else.

  198. 198 sudds

    S T O P E V E R Y T H I N G!!!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    I would now like to say that I am 100% IN FAVOR of Obama’s plan on Healthcare reform!!!

    I still do not (nor does anyone) have a clue as to what it is… but how can I fight THIS??????

    Obama: “How many people are getting insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands. All right. Well, a lot of those folks, your employer it’s estimated would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent, which means they could give you a raise.”

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-health-care-reform-strongsville-ohio

  199. 199 sudds

    I mean seriously… how can ANYONE argue against this???

    Like Steve Miller sang… “go on take the money and run…”

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Monday in Strongsville, Ohio, President Obama said that ObamaCare will reduce health insurance premiums by “3,000 percent.” Considering that a 50 percent decrease in premiums would mean that we’d be paying half as much as we now pay for health insurance and that a 100 percent decrease in premiums would mean that we’d be paying nothing for health insurance, President Obama is telling us that insurance companies will actually start paying us money to keep our health insurance.

    If your current health insurance policy costs $5,000 a year, insurance companies will pay you $145,000 a year (2,900 percent multiplied by $5,000). If you’re fortunate enough to be paying $25,000 a year for health insurance, insurance companies will pay you $725,000 a year. There’s no word whether you can purchase a more expensive health insurance policy to increase the amount of money that insurers pay you each year.

  200. 200 sudds

    Lastly…

    PCS… if good ‘ol Uncle Barrack is going to be giving me $50+k a year… any thoughts on you and I spending it on a private island somewhere??? (pack LIGHTLY) 😉

  201. 201 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    On second thought…maybe you are as ‘special” as George.

  202. 202 cstratct

    “Childrens do learn,” Bush tells school kids

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2623880720070926

    During his first presidential campaign, Bush — who promised to be the “education president” — once asked: “Is our children learning?”

    “As yesterday’s positive report card shows, childrens do learn when standards are high and results are measured,” he said.

    But hey, that was GWB, so it’s okay if he misspeaks, right Sudds?

  203. 203 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    Now, now. You can’t blame Sudds for GW Bush. After all he was elected by a majority…oh, oh, wait a minute. Never mind.

  204. 204 jezebel282

    Follow up:

    And since Sudds only get his news from Fox he will have the opportunity to see Obama without the edits:

    AP) – 49 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is taking his health care pitch directly to Fox News viewers.

    The White House on Tuesday said Obama would speak with anchor Bret Baier for his Wednesday program. Obama is in the middle of his final, aggressive push for a health care overhaul he wants completed before leaving for Australia and Indonesia on Sunday.

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says Obama wants to speak to as many people as possible about the potential benefits of his top domestic priority.

  205. 205 1george1

    With all of these discussions about national health care,
    should the posters get their own strings, like you gave me? ”

    No. You are so much more “special” than anyone else.

    Yo Jeze … I am touched … to be special.

    However other bloggers consider me “special ed” material
    who is “touched.”

    I was amazed to see that Sudds actually showed numbers.
    Yet, his whimsey appears to match a tim burton imagination?

    Both Chris and Sudds Bush bashing?
    Hey guys … any comments on Cheney? 😉

  206. 206 jezebel282

    George,

    “Hey guys … any comments on Cheney?”

    If and when I start a topic on war crimes…..

  207. 207 1george1

    Great minds think alike (sometimes)

  208. 208 jezebel282

    Update:

    For anyone who doesn’t like the current healthcare bill, you can call your congressman and urge them to support HR 4789.

  209. 209 1george1

    Nader favors the single payer option.

    Any thoughts?

  210. 210 jezebel282

    George,

    “Any thoughts?”

    Yes. HR 4789.

    It’s 4 pages long. Even Sudds could read it.

  211. 211 jezebel282

    By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch

    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The House is edging closer to a final, climactic vote this weekend on a sweeping health-care overhaul bill, as numbers from congressional budget analysts show the measure will slash the U.S. budget deficit.

    The final House version of the bill will cost $940 billion over a decade, while saving more than $1 trillion over 20 years, a Democratic aide said Thursday, citing a Congressional Budget Office finding.

    Save a TRILLION dollars? $1,000,000,000,000? (Was that enough zeros?)

    Gee, I can see now why Republicans wouldn’t want to do that, can’t you?

  212. 212 jezebel282

    Update:

    The NY Times:

    By ROBERT PEAR and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
    Published: March 18, 2010

    “Under the bill, the budget office said, the federal government would spend $940 billion over the next 10 years to provide coverage to 32 million people who would otherwise be uninsured.

    The price tag, though higher than the $875 billion estimated cost for the Senate’s version, still comes in under the $950 billion limit suggested by Mr. Obama, who has said he would not sign a bill that added a dime to the deficit.

    The cost of the bill results from a significant expansion of Medicaid, to cover 16 million more low-income people, and from federal subsidies to help moderate-income people buy health insurance on their own.

    House Democrats said that they had reduced the impact of a proposed tax on high-cost employer-sponsored health plans. White House officials have described the tax as a way to slow the growth of health spending, but labor unions dislike it.

    Under the Senate bill, the tax would have raised $149 billion over 10 years. The new legislation delays and reduces the tax, slashing expected revenues to $32 billion.

    Democrats would make up for some of the lost revenue by increasing the Medicare payroll tax and by extending it to capital gains, dividends, interest and other “unearned income” of people with adjusted gross incomes over $250,000 for married couples and $200,000 for individuals.”

    Do we have this straight? It actually costs less to insure 32 million people than it cost us for Bush to invade Iraq? $1.49 billion a year? When it cost $120 billion a year for the Iraq war? And eventually the deficit is reduced by a trillion dollars?

    Wow! No wonder Republicans don’t like it. It doesn’t say we have to invade ANYBODY. Bummer, huh?

  213. 213 1george1

    How does the song go?

    WAR!
    What is it good for?

    Then we have VOO DOO economics.

  214. 214 jezebel282

    George,

    In this case, the hypocrisy is stunning. Not one single Republican, not one, is brave enough to put party politics aside and find the courage to vote for people. The only two Republican “solutions” I’ve ever heard was tort reform and allowing health insurance companies to sell across state lines. Both proposals would increase the profits of health insurance companies and hurt citizens.

    Tort reform: How much is a life or organ worth? Recently, I was called to jury duty on a medical malpractice case where the plaintiff was blinded for the rest of his life by a medical mistake. The trial was scheduled to last six weeks. The defendant settled minutes before the trial for $1 million. How much is YOUR sight worth? Should we cap it at $250K?

    Selling across state lines: This is almost to obvious to discuss seriously. Back in the day, credit cards were regulated by state banking authorities and you actually had to have a good credit history to get one. Usury laws are quite strong in most states. But not in Delaware or North Dakota. Because credit cards companies were allowed to set up back office operations in those two states and sell across state lines they were able to sidestep the banking laws of 48 states. What did we get in return? 30% interest rates on credit cards and your pet cat or dog can get one. Can we expect better treatment from health insurance companies? Only a Republican would believe that.

  215. 215 1george1

    Jeze,
    You are expecting an argument from me about Republican
    (& Democrat) hypocracy?

    I do not agree or like Nader or Mike Moore solutions,
    but I agree with their questions?

    Where are the “New Deal,” “Square Deal,” and “Fair Deal” Democrats?
    Where are the Lincoln or even Eisenhower Republicans?

    The MAFIA has more HONOR than the JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
    With the Burturla like police/politicians, the BLUE WALL is thicker
    than OMERTA.

    Where have Stratford police been the last 20 years Stratford Town
    Committees and Lawyers appear to have been robbing the people?

    Where has the FBI been since Eisenhower?

    ———-

    Selling across state lines:
    This is almost to obvious to discuss seriously.

    I SEEM TO HAVE POSTED about these TOPICS – yet I was not relevant. 😉
    Jeze – welcome to my world … on positions of fairness to working people
    and small business owners and retirees on SS!

    Back in the day,
    credit cards were regulated by state banking authorities
    and you actually had to have a good credit history to get one.
    Usury laws are quite strong in most states.
    But not in Delaware or North Dakota.
    Because credit cards companies were allowed to set up back office
    operations in those two states and sell across state lines they were
    able to sidestep the banking laws of 48 states.

    SENATE + CONGRESS PASSED THESE and CHAPTER 11 was changed to
    put CREDIT CARD REPAYMENT as a priority, but NOT a DEDUCTION.

    What did we get in return?
    30% interest rates on credit cards

    When MAFIA did it, it was LOAN SHARKING.

    and your pet cat or dog can get one.

    YUP.

    Can we expect better treatment from health insurance companies?
    Only a Republican would believe that.

    Jeze do you believe (certain) Republicans or Democrats believe
    what they posture? Someone has to con the suckers … ah … public.

  216. 216 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze do you believe (certain) Republicans or Democrats believe
    what they posture?”

    No. But they used to be so much better at it.

  217. 217 cstratct

    Did the sun still come up for everyone this morning? The way some Republicans were talking this weekend I thought we would see the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse on the horizon. Funny thing about fire and brimstone rhetoric, it rarely lives up to the hype and almost always looks ridiculous in retrospect.

  218. 218 1george1

    I agree with Jeze and Chris.

    Note to Chris:
    Yellow Dog journalism and political smoke and mirrors have been around
    for a long time.
    The parties need diversions, in case whatever they are doing are illegal
    and/or are scams to benefit allies?
    The HANNEY CONTRACT was a great example of getting people riled.

    As I pointed out AD NAUSEUM – Miron / BUrturla NEVER advanced their OWN
    VERSION of the HANNEY CONTRACT, despite “14” Burturla-Knott neotiations.

    I did not know Hanney knew Knott because of the Marshall’s complex.

    I also heard Hanney is switching his Theater by the sea to a NON PROFIT
    in order to be able to get GRANTS!
    I wonder where he and KNOTT got that idea?

    I know I have been pounding the ideas of GRANTS for years, as a way
    to cut out of pocket local Tax Payer Collections.

    The LICENSING PART of the HANNEY DEAL did not exist UNTIL AFTER I
    met Barry in his office suggesting it as a way to benefit Tax Payers
    and make in more viable for a GOOD CONTRACT.

    What BARRY did to that idea was as nearly perverse as the ways the
    Mirons / Burturlas / RTC twisted my othe rideas for the Town for
    SELF BENEFIT! I was furious!!!!

  219. 219 cstratct

    George,

    I’m not nearly as naive as you seem to think I am.

    You and I disagree about the Hanney deal.

    Where have you been? Theatre by the Sea is the company that owns the facility and is for profit. The theatre company that produces the work for Theatre by the Sea, Ocean State Theatre Company, is the 501(c)3 non-profit organization that produces the work at the venue. There is a reason the two entities are separate. I don’t believe I need to spell it out.

    And if you’re taking credit for giving Knott the “idea” of giving all the merchandising and licensing revenue to Hanney and leaving the town with nothing in that regard, I don’t think that’s something you should be touting as a way to “benefit taxpayers and make it more viable for a GOOD CONTRACT.”

    I read nearly every draft of that contract, and the licensing and merchandising portions were almost identical throughout the entire process. And the different versions of the contract that were put forth included Miron’s/Burturla’s points of negotiation but they were struck down by Hanney/Knott. To name just two, the ticket surcharge and the performance bond. Both in early versions of the contract, both removed by Hanney/Knott.

    Do you really think you are the source for all knowledge and understanding? I like you George, I think you’re a very knowledgeable person. But you’re not omniscient or a clairvoyant. None of us are.

  220. 220 1george1

    Chris
    Good points.

    I am NOT, nor never have claimed to be sole source for all ideas.

    Grants were around long before I got on the scene.
    However, Irene was not aware of the importance of separating Town
    Collected from State Grants, until I made it a point.
    She / Ben created power point, stunned your boy Jimmy, at a BUDGET
    HEARING who quickly realized he was flanked and then started pushing
    the Grants for political reasons, which I had championed for years.

    I met with BARRY KNOTT.
    He was not aware of the VALUE of LICENSING, which I pointed out to him.
    The LICENSING became a MAJOR ISSUE “after I met with Esq. KNOTT.”

    I conceed you are more of a hound on HANNEY & the HANNEY DEAL and
    I defer to your active awareness.

    I was aware of the surchage / performance bond from years ago, but I
    simply looked at the surcharge as minimal compared to licensing potential.

    KNOTT “could NOT” unilaterally remove the performance BOND without
    the direct or indirect complicity of Esq Burturla (in my opinion)m WHO
    NEVER – NEVER – NEVER posted HIS VERSION of the HANNEY DEAL.

    =

    Chris,
    I conceed that you have superior knowledge of the HANNEY DEAL!
    When will you conceed, MIRON – BURTURLA NEVER – NEVER – NEVER
    set forward that they had a DIFFERENT VERSION?

    I would even conceed that IF THEY EVER HAD there own VERSION,
    that it would likely be superior to what YOU + THEY + COUNCIL
    CLAIMED was the TOWN COUNCIL – HANNEY VERSION which Town
    Attorneys Burturla and Bishop found illegal.

    Bishop’s partner, Kevin Kelly, who was subordinate to Town
    Attorney Burturla and served at the WHIM of MIRON – BURTURLA
    and could be “dismissed” or “cut off without cause” as “at will”
    was the legal contender that the HANNEY DEAL was LEGAL.

    Chris,
    You will NEVER conceed you were PLAYED and WRONG, and that
    the whole deal was “probably” a canard, because CHRIS is NEVER
    WRONG.

    Conversely,
    I have admitted honest mistakes and posted corrections on the blog,
    many times in the past, and I conceed to your superior detailed
    knowledge on the HANNEY deal and I admit I was NEVER the SOLE
    SOURCE of IDEAS (simply opened some eyes, and have public posts,
    letters to editor, and Town Council Forums to prove it.

    Gavin even posted recently my attendance was better than PW
    Mo McCarthy and he public gave me credit, as did Ben Branyan
    that until I made the Boe aware a couple years ago, there had
    never been a PRINTED final version of the BoE Budget.

    It is also Verifiable that my PUBLIC FORUM comments and BUDGET
    HEARING comment and my Letters to the Editor about inequities
    about the lottery for ALL DAY KINDERGARTEN blasting the BoE
    caused the BoE to be so embarrased internally (because certain
    politically connected people owned Dayare Centers?) that the
    ALL DAY KINDERGARTEN became universally available.
    I am proud that I helped open eyes and people made that decision.

    I also have tried to advocate for Seniors and Veterans, where my
    hero Ed Hargus was a true GIANT.

    So CHRIS if you want to have a DEBATE BRAWL – I WELCOME the
    opportunity to Educate you on the nuances of politics, whereas
    your nose has sometimes been brown
    from being up some peoples … 😉

    Let’s have some fun and rock and roll,

    Unless you want to keep it to political issues 😦

  221. 221 cstratct

    George, I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. There is a difference between stating an opinion on an issue and dealing with the facts of a situation. I try to keep a keen eye on the differences between the two.

    As for the Hanney deal, it’s dead and that’s really all there is too it at this point. I don’t believe it was a “canard” because many on the former town council fought vehemently for it and Hanney, along with the aforementioned Mr. Kelly. I do believe that had it not been for members of the community, members of the arts commission, Matt Catalano and others who had the courage to speak out against the deal that it would have been pushed through and we would now be stuck with a very bad deal for the town.

    Finally, I don’t need you to “educate” me on the nuances of politics. I’ve been around and engaged in politics for most of my life. I’m beholden to no one and I ‘m not up anyone’s …

    By the way, I said that personally I like you and I think you are a knowledgeable person. But your conspiracies are out there more often then not and the bragging about being the first to address an issue does get tiresome.

  222. 222 jezebel282

    Update:

    Oh Sudds?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  223. 223 1george1

    Chris
    I guess there are NO conspiracies.

    1 > Where are the cocaine fields in CT.

    2 > How is it OIL was $ 10.58 a BARREL in Dec 1998 and $ 147 JUNE 2008,
    just before the Stock Market meltdown?

    3 > Which countries are # 1 + # 2 in weapons traffic?
    Where do their clients get funds to buy weapons?
    HINT – see # 1 + # 2

    Chris,
    Perhaps it is Hubris on your part that you believe I post only for you?

    Over the last couple years, I have been nailed by almost every blooger,
    often deservedly.

    It is necessary to remind other people that certain things did not
    magically happen to slow down sticky fingered stratford subterfuge
    or to expose who has done what, when, where, why, and how.

    When you actually help cut taxes or improve services ….
    such as was done by Ed Hargus or Diane Buda ….

  224. 224 cstratct

    George, I’m not sure you even know what the term Hubris means.

    I was responding to the comments you made that were directed at me, nothing more.

    I never said there aren’t any conspiracies ever. I said that many of yours strain credibility, and I’m trying to be diplomatic.

    Perhaps George, it is hubris to believe that you are first to the scene of EVERY situation and believe that you are responsible for people’s knowledge on any number of subjects.

    I’m not trying to “take credit” for knowing more about a particular issue or situation. I’m simply stating what I believe to be the case based on the information I have available to me. The “idea” of grants/foundation support funding a theatre revitalization (or any other projects) pre-dates both of us. Foundations have been supporting arts and cultural organizations for more than 100 years.

  225. 225 1george1

    Chris
    I not only KNOW what HUBRIS means, but I was directing it at you for
    ATTACKING ME, with your EGO MANIACAL – EGO CENTRIC view of life.

    You do not acknowledge that you attacked me, personally, and not
    on political issues?

    Now. you are claiming what I know and what I do not know ????

    Chris you read minds now?

    Chris you are all KNOWING and NEVER WRONG!

    I never claimed exclusivity for things which exist and existed for a century.

    Only a myopic moron would interpret my attempts to improve Stratford
    and to make others aware of just some ideas WHICH CAN BE BUILT UPON,
    would DESIGNATE my altrusim as claiming I invented GRANTS / or ALL DAY
    KINDER GARTEN / or PUBLISHED BoE Final Budget / or PENSION abuse / or
    Health Care out rages / or Looting Stock Market / or pretextual WARS,
    whereas the NATIONAL ISSUES have hit Stratford and a Healthy Debate,
    (you have valid points on many items) raged on the Blog on Health Care,
    which is among many points, previous deemed irrelevant by Jeze.

    By posting things on this blog, I help make others aware of what present
    and past Town Councils / Mayors / Town Managers / Attorneys and other
    KNOW and that I KNOW they KNOW.

    Then seeing bloggers post things which proves they only know certain
    things in town and state and feds, makes me shake my head about so
    much ignorance and apathy.
    And NO CHRIS – I do not claim to know anything close to everything and I
    do make mistakes, unlike you and your heroes, which like them, you twist
    whatever is writen to suit your agenda, which I believe is far more benevolent
    and altruistic than your heroes, who NEVER POSTED their OWN SHAKESPEARE
    PLAN and which YOU avoided acknowleding because if you ACKNOWLEDGE
    hey NEVER POSTED their PLAN … you would be ADMITTING they palyed you,
    and you were wrong … but Chris is NEVER WRONG and will NEVER ADMIT

    MIRON
    BURTURLA
    NEVER
    NEVER
    NEVER
    SET FORWARD THEIR 14 NEGOTIATION
    COUNTER PLAN to HANNEY

    ADDRESS that 1 ISSUE Chris or continue to DANCE.
    Everythime you refuse to ADDRESS the MIRON PLAN – NEVER POSTED

    I will post CHRIS is a HYPOCRITE. 😉
    Since you want to attack me personally,
    I am 100 % sure you know the meaning of HYPOCRITE.
    It has your heroes picture next to it in the Dictionary. 🙂

    I have pointed out that I made the Council / BoE / others PUBLICLY aware,
    because in many instances they were INTENTIONALLY NOT DOING what most
    reasonable people would expect them to do.

    There are people involved in politics to help the town.
    There are people involved in politics to help themselves.

    “Ask not what your country can do for you
    Ask what you can do for your country.” JFK

    That predates both of us.

    In Stratford, the reverse is true of JFK’s quote,
    as is true of everywhere.

  226. 226 cstratct

    George, where did I attack you? I said that “many” of your conspiracy theories were far fetched. I actually commended you on your knowledge of town business but pointed out that some of what you were claiming as occuring as a result of your efforts was in fact occuring prior to your involvement. The example I cited was Hanney’s creation of Ocean State as a non-profit. You didn’t spur that as your post seemed to imply. That’s the only point I was making George.

    I certainly don’t take credit as being the first to address or raise issues. I post what I see to raise questions about those issues and I include my opinion on the topic. But George, you’re going after the wrong person in this case because I actually defend you in most instances. I just don’t subscribe to most of the conspiracy theories you put out there.

    Now you want to jump on the bandwagon and throw out the Miron stuff go right ahead. But I’ve made my opinions clear on those topics on a number of occasions and have said I don’t agree with the way the payouts occurred or the way the “firings” were handled. It reeked of political payback and efforts to undermine the new administration. Acts of sabotage were done when Clinton left office and GWB took over in 2001. I thought it was bush league then and I have the same opinion of it here in Stratford.

    And I’ve never claimed I was right with regard to any of the BOE information I’ve been posting. I’m posing questions with the hope that some clarification is forthcoming. It may be that there are plausible explanations for the questions I raise, but I certainly am not claiming to have answers about it. And I openly admit I could be misinformed or just wrong about any of it. I’m just going by what I take away from the budget given what is available to me.

    As for Shakespeare, NO ONE had a plan. The only plan was to find a developer/operator to take over as soon as possible so that the politicians didn’t have to deal with it. That’s my take. But a plan for the theatre is different from the contact negotiated by Hanney/Knott and Burturla/Miron and whoever else.

    I expressed my thoughts on the contract. All anyone had to do was look in the margins at the deleted text to see where the negotiations were headed. Miron/Burturla did include certain things in the contract (performance bond, ticket surcharge) but they were REMOVED by Knott/Hanney.

    Thankfully the new Town Attorney and Mayor actually agreed with the previous administration’s opinion of the contract and that opened the door to the new Town Council to do what should have been done by the previous Town Council.

  227. 227 1george1

    Chris go back to your posts and see where you attacked me.

    Burturla had 14 NEGOTIATION SESSIONS with KNOTT.
    yes or no

    Burturla – Miron never released the results of those 14 sessions
    yes or no.

    I do not believe anyone was honestly in favor of the hanney deal.
    I believe it was INTENTIONALLY FLAWED.
    I believe. there are ZERO ATTORNEYS who could win a lawsuit
    involving public work without performance bond.
    Your entire position is MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

    Regardless of HANNEY …. please answer the above two questions.

  228. 228 jezebel282

    At the risk of getting back to the topic, we now have the most extensive reform of health care in this country since 1965.

    Why? The reason is mostly because ordinary citizens cannot afford the healthcare they receive. The likelihood of being able to afford it in the future is less likely without radical change. You cannot bet your life on the benevolence of a for profit company.

    And why did it take so long and become so complex? Because the people we elect to represent our interests do not do so.

    Once we have elected a representative or senator, their primary job function becomes re-electing themselves. Everything else is secondary or tertiary.

    There is simply no incentive for any elected official to do anything other than get re-elected. The desire to stay in office (at a salary of $180,000/year plus every benefit known to Man), wield influence and power, be exempt from dozens of laws and regulations and generally be treated as royalty is too great.

    Throw in hundreds of millions of dollars from lobbyists representing banks, insurance companies, oil companies, pharma, agri-businesses, and all the others and you no longer have a representative government. This also includes their sock-puppets like the Tea Party and neo-cons.

    We could have had universal affordable insurance in less than a week. It is embodied in a four (count ’em, 4!) page bill written by Alan Grayson (D-FL). HR 4789. It lowers the age on enrollment to Medicare to birth. Simple.

    Instead we have 2,100 pages of deals.

  229. 229 jezebel282

    Final note on healthcare (until the next time):

    Everyone should note that Armageddon has not happened and the planet continues to spin.

    Speaking of spin,

    From the NY Times:
    JPMorgan Is Upbeat on Economy as It Posts Profit

    By ERIC DASH
    Published: April 14, 2010

    “Over all, JPMorgan said its first-quarter income was $3.3 billion, or 74 cents a share. That compared with income of $2.1 billion, or 40 cents a share, a year earlier as profit surged in the months after following the crisis. Revenue, at $28.2 billion, exceeded forecasts.”

    Can you say “50% profit increase in one year”? How can this be?

    “Hefty trading profits in the investment bank once again helped offset the weaker performance of its Chase retail banking and credit card units. ”

    Was JP Morgan Chase a recipient of TARP (our) money? You betcha.

    And here we are again. Business as usual for banks and Wall Street. Banks use our capital to play in the Wall Street Casinos. When they lose, the IOU’s have our name on them.

    The next question: With $3.3 BILLION in profit, how many jobs will be created by JP Morgan Chase? How about zero?

    Check this space soon for the Financial Reform Wars.

  230. 230 1george1

    Jeze I agree with your above 2 posts.

    The Banks and Wall Street crushed the Stock Market prices.
    They were given CASH, for maybe 6 % a year, plus Stock.
    They BULKED UP the VALUE of the same Stocks they manipulated.
    Some stocks went up 100 % from lows.

    Would intelligent people be willing to pay 6 % to double the money
    borrowed and the value of their stocks and other money they had
    available?

    The Rockefellers new President of their Trust Fund was a ranking
    person in a major Wall Street Firm.

    What happened in 2008 happened in 1987 and 1929.
    Many are surprized the second shoe has not dropped to test the
    market bottom, which always happens 1 – 2 years after a bottom.

    Day traders are back in the market. People with IRS returns are
    putting money in the market. It would not surprize me if we have
    a wild SPRING.

    However, that is where all of the PROs thought it would hit and
    bounce back in Q3.

    For that reason, it may hold back until the following year. I dun know! 😦

  231. 231 jezebel282

    Update:

    Bloomberg
    UnitedHealth Profit Jumps as Medicare Rolls Climb

    April 20, 2010, 6:30 AM EDT

    By Alex Nussbaum

    April 20 (Bloomberg) — UnitedHealth Group Inc., the biggest U.S. insurer by sales, said earnings jumped 21 percent, beating analyst estimates, as growing enrollment in the Medicare program for the elderly offset losses in private-sector plans.

    So let’s see if we understand this. Earnings for the largest private health insurance company went up by a NET of 21% because they dumped all their expensive clients on….us.

    Gotta love those government run health plans and the “free” market.

  232. 232 1george1

    Kinda Like HENRY PAULSON telling Senate, sign this check for 3/4 Trillion $.

    Stock Market still crashed.

    HENRY PAULSON has derivatives, whereas he made $ 1 BILLION betting against
    the MARKET.

    The BANKS BUY STOCKS and give money to the people who caused the crash,
    who also BUY STOCK – but NO ONE COULD GET LOANS.

    The STOCK rise 4,300 points or a 50 % gain, where the BANKS PROFITS and the
    people who caused the meltdown all made tons of money.

    200,000 foreclosures a month are still going on.
    Unemployment hangs just under 10 %
    Underemployment may have increased from 10 % range to 15 %
    49 % of US Citizens do not pay taxes.
    The HEALTH CARE legislation mandates almost everyone has Health Care
    yet, 20 % of the workforce is underemployed or unemployed and maybe
    80 % of America lifes pay check to pay check, if they have a job.

    What is wrong with this picture?

    Jeze, you and I are close to agreeing on this issue.

    I am not against everyone having healthcare.
    Why not have a base healthcare paid by employers, like in the 1950s,
    with Tax Credits and stimulus to those same business, much like we
    had in the command economy of the 1950s.

    Stratford had AVCO, SIKORSKY, and tons of businesses who were fed
    by the command economy of the 1950s..

    It also had
    free enterprize component and
    laisse faire and
    well regulated economy
    the USA has never had a 100 % true free market, except
    when people raised or killed thier own food, built their
    own houses and made much of what they needed.

    (Even then there were vestigages of Merchantilism,
    Navigation Acts, and TRIANGLE TRADE.) (look em up)

    The 1950s were less kind to Blacks and certain others.
    Women had far less rights.
    (Masonic Blue Laws look like they has just cause, retrospectively,
    as do many Judeo-Christian-Catholic taboos / sins / dietary laws)

    However, if a family wanted to have a stay at home MOM

    (To me the MOST IMPORTANT JOB in the WORLD
    – My MOM died when I was 9 years old.)

    The economy allowed for a family to have a home and family.

    There was less ownership of homes back then, as more people
    rented, and the places were much smaller.

  233. 233 jezebel282

    Update:

    While we sit and wait for the end of the world to come because of healthcare reform, there is this to note:

    Aetna Profit Jumps on Cost Cutting and Premium Hikes (Update1)
    April 29, 2010, 6:40 AM EDT
    More From Businessweek
    By Meg Tirrell and Alex Nussbaum

    April 29 (Bloomberg) — Aetna Inc., the third-biggest U.S. health insurer, said profit rose 29 percent as the company lowered costs and raised premiums.

    Net income for the first quarter climbed to $562.6 million, or $1.28 a share, from $437.8 million, or 95 cents, a year earlier, the Hartford, Connecticut-based company said in a statement. Adjusted earnings of 77 cents topped the 72-cent average estimate of 14 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Revenue rose less than a percent to $8.62 billion.

    Aetna raised its full-year 2010 earnings forecast after reporting lower than expected medical costs in the quarter, said Chief Executive Officer Ronald A. Williams. While the company originally expected enrollment at private employers to slip by 350,000, it’s added more people than expected in government- backed Medicare and Medicaid plans, said Sarah James, a Wedbush Securities analyst in Los Angeles.

    “While the company originally expected enrollment at private employers to slip by 350,000”. Really? Layoffs at a rate of 400,000+ per month. Go figure. How many people lose health insurance every month?

  234. 234 cstratct

    Nice to be back on the same page Jezebel. Here’s what I find interesting about this article (the part you left out):

    “While the company originally expected enrollment at private employers to slip by 350,000, it’s added more people than expected in government- backed Medicare and Medicaid plans…”

    So if I read this correctly, the federal government is subsidizing Aetna’s earnings since the increases came from “government-backed” plans. But I thought “government-run” healthcare was evil?

    So our options are to (1) have the government pay private insurers to cover people, which sure looks profitable from Aetna’s perspective, or (2) have people who can’t afford spiraling healthcare premiums to go without. Of course we can’t have the “public option” because that would mean death panels and lines longer than the ones for the rides at Disney. 🙂

    Is it just me or are those sh**ty options?

  235. 235 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    It’s merely the same game that is played by the “investment” banks. They write crappy mortgages and then resell them to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Of course, they skim off the commissions and service fees first and leave you and me backing crappy mortgages.

    The insurance companies let Medicare/Medicaid pick up the bulk of the high risk/high cost clients and the liability while they sell expensive supplemental insurance to them. And since no one sees the actual costs of medications or treatments, the pharma companies and hospitals charge whatever they want.

    It’s enough to make you sick.

  236. 236 1george1

    Jeze – Chris
    Glad to see the both of you playing nice.

    SENATE HEARINGS to PRETEND OUTRAGE
    > BIG AUTO
    > MADOFF / SEC REGULATORS
    > BIG BANKS
    > AIG – INSURANCE
    > FANNIE / FREDDIE
    > GOLDMAN

    All to create plausible deniability like the CT POST yellow dog journalism
    where MIRON vs REPUBLICANS and GAVIN?

    Here is a LOB ALERT

    Where does reality begin and fantasy end?
    Where does fantasy begin and reality end?

    BILL OF PARTICULARS in NO PARTICULAR PRIORITY ORDER

    1 – Harkins appointed Miron’s close friend as FINANCIAL DIRECTOR
    who was on CRC # 1 with Jimmy + Gavin

    2 – Harkin appoints same LAW FIRMS Jimmy used

    3 – Harkins / Council give NO BID FIRE TRUCK
    > $ 400,000 each NON customized Fire Truck
    > $ 100,000 equipment
    Where the BOND was based on BID results
    > $ 570,000 customized Fire Truck
    > $ 230, 000 NON customized Fire Truck

    4 – Harkins delayed hiring CAO / replacing NORKO – MCCAULEY
    Harkins / Collier held back Milliman Report past all Budget Work
    Shops and unlikely to be Publicly available prior to HEARINGS,
    so PUBLIC can NOT COMMENT on the lack of information?

    5 – PARKING GARAGE called DEVELOPMENTAL CENTER will
    “just happen” to benefit former employer and brother of Harkin’s
    replacement in Hartford, whose husband is on Town Council and
    his family member is on Zoning, with Henrick / Silhavey.

    6 – Bruce Allessie (D) is part of the Saint Mark’s crew and is active
    with DOGSTAR who committed
    A – Buy Mobil Chemical in December
    B – Buy Ramada in February
    C – Actively interested in Shakespeare Theater for Cable 51 in March
    D – I can not wait for May
    E – Bruce told Economic Development Committee June 26 is NATERA
    – ARMY DROP DEAD DATE.
    F – Any AVCO deal will be made to look good compared to HANNEY

    7 – SHAKESPEARE THEATER now 4th BID
    A = AVCO due to have likely 4th BID
    B – RAYMARK – EPA told Stratford to pound sand on moving poisons
    out of Town – They may come to Stratford in MAY?

    8 – AIRPORT buying AIRPORT on the COUNCIL AGENDA = 4 YEARS
    UNDER HARKINS
    A – 1 Acre given away by FAA to Bridgeport
    B – Main Street will be moved
    C – Berchem / Burturla rep Bridgeport and Stratford – multiple issues
    They could not find STANDING?

    9 – Harkins Town attorney’s assistant > Town Charter = grandfather
    rights – Burturla opines
    A) WHOLE NEW CHARTER – NOT REVISED
    B) Originally under Legislature’s SPECIAL ACT CHARTER
    C) Now under HOME RULE ACT
    D) HOME RULE ACT DOES NOT ALLOW – Initiative / Referendum /
    Public created legislation / Budget Referendum –
    E) So Far Term limit is OK

    10 – DOT doing whatever they want to RAMPS / MOSES WHEELER
    BRIDGE & RAMPS which is what HARKINS / NORTH STRATFORD wants.

    HARKINS too cowardly to
    > MEET the PUBLIC
    > Tell the truth on the above

    Ron / PCS / other HARKINS lovers – what is difference between HARKINS
    and MIRON except one FIRED a bunch of people, and some were hurt
    badly, while others got huge PENSIONS or PAY RAISES and access to a
    2nd PENSION.

    I like Irene and Ben.

    Ben is making almost twice what he made as Town Manager?

    The sounds of silence

    of the lambs ….

  237. 237 ronmoreau

    “Ron / PCS / other HARKINS lovers – what is difference between HARKINS
    and MIRON except one FIRED a bunch of people, and some were hurt
    badly, while others got huge PENSIONS or PAY RAISES and access to a
    2nd PENSION.”

    George,

    One FIRED a bunch of people, and some were hurt
    badly, while others got huge PENSIONS or PAY RAISES and access to a
    2nd PENSION.”

    Time will tell if John is the man I think he is.

    If it’s true that John will not seek a second term as Mayor, what does he have to loose by just doing the right thing for Startford?

  238. 238 ronmoreau

    George

    I am disappointed that the Mayor is allowing the injustice with respect to Captain McNeil and Lt. Soto to continue.

  239. 239 1george1

    Ron,

    I started the other post, and finished it after lunch, so we passed like
    ships in the night.

    If McNeil / Soto and/or Farmer are innocent as we believe, I would like
    the mayor / town to drop the case and restore them, if they know there
    is no case.

    However this IS Stratford.
    It is not inconceiveable this is another game, to cost Tax Payers.

    Is leverage being applied to make sure Christian Miron gets hundreds of
    thousands to help pay for his day?

    If he was a confessed pot smoker, why wasn’t he arrested?

    If Justin admitted to stealing over $ xxx from PW why wasn’t he arrested?

    Why does Dickie look at just restitution?
    Where is the outrage from the victims?

    This IS Stratford!

    – I think John is a gentle man who does not want conflict.

    Will he be the patsie for the others?
    Will the Town Council roll over?

    As bad as we agree the Mirons/Burturas hurt this town
    A – Certain Republicans are worse
    B – Certain State / Feds are worse
    C – Certain State / Feds are actively Allowing
    D – Certain state / Feds pull srings

    Ain’t conspriacy theory – it is the way politics works and de facto past!

  240. 240 rex525

    Ron,
    “I am disappointed that the Mayor is allowing the injustice with respect to Captain McNeil and Lt. Soto to continue.”

    Ron, of all of the posters on this blog you are one of the posters I have the highest respect for. You seem to be an independent thinker who is able to opine outside of the collective party mentality. What a shame that we do not have you on the Council to provide MUCH NEEDED leadership. What I currently see with the entire Administration is a lack of courage to just “do the right thing”. As a view from the outside it seems that the Mayor, his administration and town council are following one or two of the party faithful and seem afraid to make the necessary tough decisions without over analyzing everything. They also seem to be alienating the town labor unions who greatly contributed to their landslide success. If handled correctly I believe these unions could be a great asset at solving many of the Towns problems (this coming from one who is not a great fan of labor unions). Stratford is currently suffering from a quagmire due to a lack of strong central leadership. This quagmire, I am afraid is one that will cost ALL of us taxpayers a bundle in the end. It is time to return transparency to local government and restore the pride that we were promised so many times during the election. The only way this can happen is for Mayor Harkins to make his own decisions without unnecessary bureaucratic interference and BE THE LEADER we all voted for.

    He can take that first step today by issuing a memorandum to restore the pay of both Captain Joseph McNeil and Lt. Orlando Soto. Will he, it is doubtful, but he should remember that in this country we are all innocent until PROVEN guilty. He should also remember that if his inaction leads to a lawsuit that could (should) have been prevented, he is the one who will be held personally accountable by we the voting taxpayers.

  241. 241 ronmoreau

    rex,
    “…What a shame that we do not have you on the Council to provide MUCH NEEDED leadership….”

    Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. 20 years ago.

    I feel for the new guys and gal.

    I know what it is like to sit in that seat for the first time.

    So much information to digest in such a short time.

    The first advise given to me was. “Sit in the chair and keep your mouth shut for 6 months. We know what we are doing and we will advise you.”

    You rely on party leaders (in caucus) to advise you correctly. In the end you are the ones making the final vote.

    My only advise to them is just do the right thing.

    There is no excuse for those that are there more than one term.

    ( By the way,I don’t think they have redone those chairs since before I was on the council. It feels like you are sitting in a hole.)

  242. 242 jezebel282

    The benches for the public are no bargain either.

  243. 243 ronmoreau

    Phin,

    “What a shame that we do not have you on the Council to provide MUCH NEEDED leadership”

    I think my councilman Matt will do just fine.

  244. 244 ronmoreau

    Sorry phin.

    My last post should have been directed to Rex.

  245. 245 phineast

    Apology accepted.

  246. 246 jezebel282

    Here is one more thought I just couldn’t resist after watching the testimony of Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs. He claimed to the Senate that he only received $310,000,000 in compensation (although it is reported to be more like $529,000,000).

    Be that as it may, of the $310,000,000 that he claims to have made, he was EXEMPT from paying into Social Security on $309,890,000 of it. Not one penny. Zero.

    Even at the lower claim, Mr. Blankfein “earned” $2,500 per minute. Does anyone who watched their 401K, IRA or defined pension want to opine as to whether he earned it or not?

  247. 247 1george1

    Sure his name was not Blank Check?

    I get bombard with e-mails from TEA Party advocatesCRAZY MAD about
    Welfare, free medical, and all kinds of crazy stuff allowed by Senate /
    Congress, while others have to pay for it.

    The illegal immigrants are to Blankfein
    as
    Blankfein is to BIG OIL
    or
    WEAPONS / MUNITIONS manufacturers
    or
    CONTROLLED / PERSCRIPTION DRUGS

    There is NO ACCOUNTING for the greatest transfer of Wealth in History,
    and the general population can only see local issue comparing UNION
    and other ABUSES.

    LOCAL PEOPLE in / out of Government need to WAKE UP!


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