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06May10

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Consumer rules, Fed audit next on Senate agenda

By JIM KUHNHENN (AP) – 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON — A partisan fight over consumer protections and a dispute over how intrusive Congress can be in overseeing the Federal Reserve loom as obstacles to the Senate’s efforts to rein in Wall Street.

Republicans offered a weaker alternative to consumer protection measures that are central to President Barack Obama’s Wall Street regulation plan. And a bipartisan group of senators, led by Vermont independent Bernie Sanders, was next in line with an amendment that would require the Federal Reserve to undergo a thorough audit by Congress’ investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office.

Votes on those measures could come as early as Thursday.

The Republican plan would limit the enforcement power of a proposed consumer protection bureau and make its rules subject to approval by a top banking regulator. It would create a division of consumer protection within the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to oversee nonbank mortgage companies and write consumer regulations. The FDIC would have to sign off on those rules.

In contrast, the Democratic plan backed by the Obama administration would create an independent bureau within the Federal Reserve to police lending and other customer financial service transactions. It would have a freer hand to enforce its regulations.

Every once in a while we are amazed by the similarity between national news and local news.

Warning to George: This article is about financial regulation. Any deviation in your posts…well, you know.

In Stratford we (our council) are asked to approve a budget with no information, no accounting, no responsibility and no penalties for deviation. The “vote” is simply a matter of faith.

Similarly in our Congress, rather than open a public enterprise such as banking practices and monetary policies there is resistance to any change whatsoever. A mere six (count ’em, 6!) banks control 63% of the Gross Domestic Product of the United States. The banks operate in secret, the Federal Reserve operates in secret and the regional treasury boards have (yes, you guessed it) bank members on their boards. And yet there are Representatives and Senators that will say “What’s the problem with that?”

Here in Stratford, we have no such push to open the “books” to public scrutiny. Actual expenditures and costs are a secret. State regulations are flaunted (see pension funding), the public (yes, you and me) are treated as if we are too stupid to understand the complex intricacies of how our money gets spent. Once a year we are treated to a wish list of next year’s budget items based upon last year’s wish list. Who really does get to decide how our money gets spent? The simple answer is, “Not you”.

How to fix this? In my opinion, I thought this had been fixed by the election in November. Apparently it has not. Is there hope? Not a lot. The last chance for an accounting of our money lies with the Town Council. Through the ordinance process, the Council has the ability to require that Town finances including revenue and actual expenses be posted at least quarterly for public review. It is the same requirement that any public corporation must meet.

“What’s the problem with that?”

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741 Responses to “FinReg?”

  1. 1 1george1

    Jeze,

    Had you seen the internet postings about a wall street journal
    story where Senate/Congress refused to pass laws for Legislative
    Branch NOT to be able to SHORT SELL = BET AGAINST USA?

    Had anyone read of Reports that elected and appointed insiders
    bet short selling prior to the September 2008 melt down, along
    with GOLDMAN SACKS?

    Was that the HENRY PAULSON, Treaury who asked for 3/4 Billion blank
    check with BUSH / CHENEY or a different PAULSON who gained
    $ 1 BILLION from SHORTING?

    Now that people have income tax rebates back and the economy
    looks better, it is about the time the insiders pull the plug on the
    DJIA and crash the ECONOMY.

    From a technical perspective, they DJIA has to TEST the BOTTOM,
    which was under 7,000, from recent highs over 11,000.

    If Stratfprd’s pension portfolio performance parallels 1998 – 1999 lows
    that could mean a $ 30 million bottom.

    Good news – If the BOTTOM is TESTED and not broken ….
    Generally Stocks bounce rapidly!

    Bad news – The the BOTTOM is TESTED and broken …
    – the crash will continue
    – a false rally will keep the new bottom from being tested
    and another low will be established.

    The INVESTMENT PROS look for CAPITULATION.

    It will be the end of domestic tranquilty as everyone’s pensions,
    savings, and assets will plummet, while costs explode.

    UI certifieds to overdue bills / shut off notices are exceeding 10 %
    of CT. Households and in some areas 20 %.

    Foreclosures are hitting home.

    Businesses added some Jobs …. but under employment matches or
    exceeds unemployment. Just because there are job increases, does
    not mean bills are capable of being paid, by new job holders.

    NEXT YEAR LAYOFFS of TEACHERS / POLICE / FIRE / P. W will be
    MASSIVE or NEXT YEAR’S TAX increase will be 15 – 20 % as property
    values continue to plummet and Mil Rates go much higher to offset
    the lower evaluations ….

    Politics depends on Government Jobs / Education Jobs / Military
    Jobs for the core VOTES to keep power, and to disillusion voters
    to lower turn out. This a a multiplier factor traditionally benefitting
    creatures like the attorneys / town committee / politically connected
    in Town / BoE / Businesses dependent on Awards / Change orders,
    all of whom vote Mirons / Harkins into power.

    It is kind of using the democratic and republican friends of the party
    the way the soviet socalled communists party uses 12 – 15 % of the
    general population to control the rest.

    – Hypothetical danger I foresee and desire to prevent

    As foreclosures increase – arson is expected to increase.
    Fire fights may die from arson, in part because their greed helped
    cause the local meltdown.

    As job losses, pension/retirement savings are stolen, and foreclosures
    increase, there becomes increases in changes violence will occur
    where the angry will likely go after the Mayor / Town Council / BoE
    and police also could die as well as the elected, because of greed.

    As the system degenerates, and as pensions are repudiated, some
    retired Police/PW/Fire/BoE/etc are likely to go after Lawyers and
    Town Committee / State Committee Members, who stole millions and
    got kited jobs / benefits for themselves and people like Justin-D/C
    -Burturlas/Butternuts/Registrars/other Retired, including State Police
    and more

    As local / state police / government worker realize they were set up
    and betrayed, they will start to turn against the FEDS and have many
    relatives and allies, but also many enemies in the FEDS.

    Will we see National Guard used to evict granparents from homes of
    generations?

    Will we see the Military come with Tanks and Helicopters to repress
    revolting police and armed citizens?

    Will we see our Executive branch turn to the UN to bring in Russian,
    Chinese, European, Asian, African, or Latin american military to protect
    the Senate / Congress / Intelligence community?

    Hey we have our troops stationed in over 100 countries around the world?

    OILMEN Bush + Cheney + Rockefeller SAW PRICES go from $ 2 barrel
    to $ 147 Barrel.
    Their holdings include Natural Gas and Coal production.
    The rich got richer and gained control of more stocks and industries,
    while building up their offshore allies FINANCEs
    OPEC + IRAQ + IRAN + RUSSIA + CHINA (trade industry) INDIA

    DEFENSE PERSONNEL Cheney Rumsefeld + Powell allowed or created
    9/11 with NO AIR COVER …. OVER …. NYC? ….DC ?

    Result:
    Patriot Act
    Increased Spending on War / Security Budgets / Nazi Homeland Security
    Increase NATIONAL DEBT
    Increased STATE / LOCAL Debt

    I respect our military, police, and government personnel.
    However, their myopic greed turned them into criminals/traitors
    and they will cost ALL OF US EVERYTHING … then COST THEMSELVES

    E V E R Y T H I N G !!!

    Freedom is NOT FREE.

    Local THIEVES – LIARS will have to confess to themselves to be able
    to start the financial and political turn arround.

    Jeze – this belongs here
    It is about the link between FINANCES and POLITICAL FREEDOM!

  2. 2 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze – this belongs here”

    Barely.

    But I will let it stay…for now.

    My point was transparency.

    The banks/investment companies (there is no difference anymore) aggressively marketed sub prime loans as if they were cosmetics. Remember the Ditech and Countywide commercials? Then they bundled them all up as sold them as “mortgaged backed securities” to unknowing buyers. But first they took out ludicrously high insurance policies (AIG) in the inevitability that they went south.

    The tipping point came when a gallon of gas went over $3 and took a nose dive when it went over $4/gallon. Monthly budgets of normal people went out the window.

    And CRASH!

    And it is STILL legal.

  3. 3 1george1

    If I know your point … in this case transparency … then I am more likely
    (certainly not always – why spoil you? 😉 – better able to comply with your
    point related to relevance,

    Local Transparency:

    Web post:
    1 – Monthly departmental expenses
    2 – Health insurance cost, per bargain unit in simplest terms
    3 – Annual Pensions vs Base Pay + Cash out + Total contributions
    4 – Live – unedited Meetings: council – BoE – Zoning

    Everythime I turn on Channel 79 for Stratford = Bridgeport took that too!!

    It is truly sad when Bridgeport has a better reputation than Stratford,
    and that Berchem’s / Fed goal is Stratford to be Bridgeport slaves.

    Jeze – sorry to confuse you by not posting mcuh of anything that is
    not directly related to Stratford locally/area! 😉

  4. 4 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze – sorry to confuse you”

    Please remember that I am only a stupid taxpayer that can’t understand municipal budgets.

  5. 5 1george1

    Jeze,

    Only a stupid taxpayer that can’t understand municipal budgets.

    It would MAKE SENSE + TRANSPARENCY for the BoE BUDGET to be
    either the 1ST or 4TH ITEM among the BIG 4
    – TOWN’
    – CAPITAL DEBT
    – PENSION
    – BOARD ED

    It would make sense for Health Insurance for BoE + Town to join the
    BIG 4, which would reduce TOWN / BOARD ED # s

    It would make sense for other fringe benefits to be listed with the BIG
    4 or BIG 6 which would reduce TOWN / BOARD ED # s salaries and
    operational expenses – shocking and educating even PCS.

    There are 3 different types of OT for police and fire.
    They are found in 3 different pages of the Budget.

    Harkins / Collier “happened” to not get Actuary Report
    until the Friday AFTER ALL BUDGET WORKSHOPS
    BEFORE the MON / TUES PUBLIC BUDGET HEARINGS

    Why are MONTHLY DEPARTMENTAL EXPENSES not immediately posted
    on the Web Site, so Mayor + Town Council + Departments + Investors
    + Tax Payers can monitor how and where money is spent?

    Why is Berchem / Burturla a Town Attorney Firm?

    Why is Berchem / Burturla a BoE Attorney Firm?

    Why do they still hold OPEN CASES, in their computers and NOT
    in TOWN HALL?

    I wonder where Quest / Oronoque were – and the businesses – and
    the Condos – and Save Stratford – and PYE for the Budget Public Hearings?
    Seems only speaker were about Library and School Budget (not kids)

    I wonder if there are ANY ORIGINAL CONTRACTS in HR Department?

    I just found a few new and better questions, but until I have answers
    and have them securely printed and safe …. I will let the scum wonder,
    as well as the legitimately curious……

  6. 6 jezebel282

    George,

    Here’s what puzzles me…

    The so-called Tea Party was out in droves protesting a public option for health care. And although it seemed to me that the majority of those “demonstrating” were of the age to be qualified for Medicare, they remain eerily absent when it comes to financial regulation. Why is that?

    These are the guys that destroyed 17 millions jobs in 2.5 years. You’d think paycheck-collecting Tea Partiers might be miffed. Are they only mad at powerful African Americans and not rich white guys?

  7. 7 sudds

    WOW… nice use of the race-card Jez!!!

    Although, I’m surprised you didn’t go with the “if the teabag doesn’t fit…” approach!?!?!?

    Personally I don’t think that they are necessarily racists (which could be difficult since there ARE black tea-partiers)… I just think that they are a bunch of self-centered, narcissistic people who care nothing about their own wallets!!!

    Hmm… where do I get an application??? 😆

  8. 8 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WOW… nice use of the race-card Jez!!! ”

    I just couldn’t help but notice the difference between Obama and Blankfein. Blankfein makes MUCH more than Obama.

    “since there ARE black tea-partiers”
    Really? Who is he?

  9. 10 sudds

    PS… if Goldman Sachs is so evil… why does Obama have so many former Goldman execs in his administration???

  10. 11 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Lenny McAllister!!!”

    What search terms in Google did you end up using?

    “why does Obama have so many former Goldman execs in his administration???”

    It’s like Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof said, “When you’re rich they think you really know.”

  11. 12 sudds

    “What search terms in Google did you end up using?”

    actually… it was one of the lead stories on news.google.com a couple of days ago!!! 😛

  12. 13 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “it was one of the lead stories on news.google.com a couple of days ago!!! ”

    Makes sense. It certainly does deserve a headline.

    But I’m still puzzled why these Tea Party people have absolutely nothing to say about financial regulatory reform. Won’t they need lower credit card rates to buy guns?

  13. 14 sudds

    WOW… who knew that Jez was such a bigot???

    How does that Obama Kool-aid term??? (and before folks even start… NO, the Kool-aid reference is NOT racist… can we please move past EVERYTHING anti-Obama being racist already???)

    Heck, even the “Democrat Daily” doesn’t agree with you…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html?src=me&ref=homepage

  14. 15 sudds

    Oops… (that should read)

    How does that Obama Kool-aid TASTE

  15. 16 1george1

    In the above, both Sudds and Jeze make a variety of valid points.

    I suspect the majority of angry Tea Party have a slightly different
    agenda than those who hired Sarah Palindrome to headline?

    It has been Republicans who dramatically increase national debt
    from the Reagan thru the Bush 1 + 2 years.
    Also locally.

    Republicans “double speak” when it comes to fiscal restraint.

    Democrats absolutely know what has been happening with sabotaged
    deregulation and the Goldman Sacks connections to
    Rockefellers / Bush / Cheney / Schultz / Obama / Clinton

    All one has to do is get a copy of the Trilateral Commission list of
    members and alumni … to see who is who in the zoo, and which of
    the people mentioned by Sudds and Jeze are in the same country
    clubs and from the same universities, like
    Harvard + Yale + Chicago + Stamford

    Most big name / best academic Universities were founded by Robber
    (Railroad – Stamford/Venderbilt) Barons, Slave Traders (Brown), and
    assorted plutocrats with Senate and West Point connections.

    W Bush was name to honor family and W Averill Harriman.
    Averill was a Wes Point grad, who discovered asphalt which is an OIL
    BASED derivative used for Roads, which is yet another Rockefeller
    profit source from cities / states / feds / business / private sector..

    Thanks for the opening for THIS STRING!

  16. 17 sudds

    “It has been Republicans who dramatically increase national debt”

    Umm… George… have you not been paying attention for the last 15+ months???

  17. 18 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WOW… who knew that Jez was such a bigot???”

    You’re accusing me of discriminating against…rich white guys?

    “can we please move past EVERYTHING anti-Obama being racist already??”

    Geese, I suggest one little thing….

    How about discussing the reinstatement of Glass Steagall?

  18. 19 cstratct

    Really Sudds, “the last 15+ months”? Did you lose your long-term memory? Which President took office with a budget surplus and despite fighting a war on two fronts (one of which was a war of choice), refused to rescind any portion of the massive tax cuts which ultimately led to the deficits we’re experiencing now?

    And for that matter, why is it the only time Republicans have a problem with deficit spending is when they’re out of power? They had no problem running up defense-related deficits during the Reagan administration, and they certainly didn’t raise an objection to Bush and his policies. There’s a reason Bush never vetoed anything for his first 6 years in office. He didn’t have to. The Republicans were marching in lock-step, perfectly content to raise deficit spending while calling for smaller government.

  19. 20 sudds

    “How about discussing the reinstatement of Glass Steagall?”

    Wasn’t Glass-Steagall established to help stop DEflation? If you think that we’re heading towards deflation… you are SERIOUSLY wrong!!!

    Note/advice: if anyoneout there has any type of “floating” interest rate on their debts (that you are loving because the rates are REALLY low right now)… you may want to look into locking in that rate, or else good luck in 12+ months from now!!!

  20. 21 sudds

    cstratct…

    a couple of errors with your posting:

    (1) I am not a Republican

    (2) I was against debts when Bush took over

    (3) Clinton only had a balanced budget because (a) tax dollars were flowing in because of the internet bubble days and (b) he diverted a lot of expenses until future dates when he would be out of office (hmmm… maybe does that sound familiar to those of us in Stratford???)

    (4) it’s been proven time and time again that reducing tax cuts (is that a double negative?) LOWERS the amount of money that the gov’t collects!!! Instead people just divert their earnings to tax-deferred accounts until the rate comes back down. (why do you think Obama hasn’t touched the tax cuts yet???)

    (5) “tax cuts which ultimately led to the deficits we’re experiencing now”. So, then you think that it was tax cuts… and NOT the Democrats passing a law so that people who shouldn’t qualify for a mortgage magically did qualify overnight that had caused the housing bubble?

    But… on the plus side… your grammar and spelling were excellent!!!

  21. 22 mayor2013

    And while you all are debating this issue wall street is telling Obama to go screw. Down another 500 points.

  22. 23 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “(1) I am not a Republican”
    If it looks like a duck…..

    “(2) I was against debts when Bush took over”
    Does that mean you weren’t in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?

    “3) Clinton only had a balanced budget because (a) tax dollars were flowing in because of the internet bubble days”
    It was Clinton’s fault that investors mistook mouse-clicks for dollars?

    “(b) he diverted a lot of expenses until future dates when he would be out of office”
    I could have sworn it was under Clinton that pay as you go started into effect.

    “(4) it’s been proven time and time again that reducing tax cuts (is that a double negative?) LOWERS the amount of money that the gov’t collects!!!”
    Does that mean that wide the distance between the rich and everyone else is a good thing?
    “Instead people just divert their earnings to tax-deferred accounts until the rate comes back down.”
    Only the rich can do that. Everyone else has to use their earnings to survive.
    “(5) “tax cuts which ultimately led to the deficits we’re experiencing now”. So, then you think that it was tax cuts… and NOT the Democrats passing a law so that people who shouldn’t qualify for a mortgage magically did qualify overnight that had caused the housing bubble?”
    After the long explanation you are about to read (maybe), the answer is “yes”.
    The banks had stated policies of redlining entire neighborhoods. If you are too young to remember, that means that banks refused to write mortgages for “certain” neighborhoods no matter what your credit history, downpayment or income level was. To correct that, Congress passed equal lending laws, loosened restrictions on qualifications and opened up capital through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Sounds good. But then the banks discovered a way to make a profit from writing crappy mortgages. They simply assigned the risk to us. Then they discovered that aside from assigning the risk to us by turning over these crappy mortgages to the tax payer (and getting their “origination” fees), they could buy insurance that would pay them even more when these crappy mortgages defaulted. But even that wasn’t enough. They figured out a way to bundle these crappy mortgages together and sell them as packages to stupid investors like pension funds and the Greek government as long as they slapped them with a label that said “Mortgage backed securities”. Once they discovered that spigot…well, here we are aren’t we?

    But… on the plus side… your grammar and spelling were excellent!!!

  23. 24 sudds

    (1) “If it looks like a duck…..”
    I’m a fiscal conservative and a social liberal (although I’m becoming more moderate these days)… that means that neither party wants me!!!

    (2) “Does that mean you weren’t in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?”
    I do NOT think that tax cuts lead to debts, quite the opposite actually

    (3) “It was Clinton’s fault that investors mistook mouse-clicks for dollars?”
    No, but it’s Clinton’s fault for assuming that the “bubble” would continue… thus building those numbers into his forecasts.

    (4) “Only the rich can do that. Everyone else has to use their earnings to survive”
    EXACTLY!!! Hence the reason why I oppose the elimination of the tax cuts. And how can anyone favor separate treatment for the wealthy? Doesn’t that kinda take us back to “separate but equal”? What if the wealthy insist upon separate water fountains just for them?

    (5) I didn’t say that the law wasn’t exploited… just that the root cause of this whole “housing bubble” was the Dems trying to cater to their constituents by getting them approved (undeservedly so) for mortgages that they couldn’t afford!!! You can blame the bankers if you want… but blaming the Repubs for mess that the Dems created is just WRONG!!!

  24. 25 cstratct

    Sudds, Interesting how you simply ignored the other half of my statement about tax . I specifically mentioned increases in military spending (“despite fighting a war on two fronts (one of which was a war of choice), refused to rescind any portion of the massive tax cuts…”). The Republicans, who held the House, Senate and White House for the first 6 years of Bush’s time in office, kept that military spending off the books so as not to look like runaway spenders. It was the combination of these factors that lead to the debts. A reduction in taxes coupled with record spending. Not one veto in six years. And you can call yourself whatever you like, Independent, Republican, Libertarian etc. It doesn’t change the fact that you’re lambasting one party for their fiscal policies while the other party is every bit as culpable for the situation at hand.

  25. 26 cstratct

    Meant to say “the other half of my statement about tax cuts and spending.”

  26. 27 1george1

    Chris did a nice job making points I would have made to counter Sudds.

    Sudds had a nice counter.
    Yet, blamed the Democrats (I do not exculpiate) when Republicans
    controlled the legislature during Cheney – Bush?

    Jeze slammed Sudds, nicely with positions I would mostly agree.

    Mayor 2013 interpretation of 500 point DOW slide is anti Obama.
    At 12:35 it is down 100.
    I understand during the day thursday it was down 900 – 1,000 at one point
    and 700 points or $ 1 trillion in 10 minutes.
    CNBC reported some stop loss programs cause 40 % drop and more.
    Briefly one company Accenture went from $ 41 a share to 1 cent a share
    Proctor Gamble dropped 37 % in that time to $ 40 range.

    SHADES of the Heath Ledger Joker / Batman & Die HARD Fire Sale.

    My interpretation is different than Mayor 2013 from experience
    The Stock Market BUYS on the really BAD NEWS
    and sells on the SUPPOSED GOOD NEWS.

    The DJIA is seriously kited to sucker unsophisticated who did not want
    to miss the Stock Market elevator.
    It is the time when the pros take money from the amatuers.
    The pros fed the rally working together buying selling same stocks that
    they specialize in.
    Then when they get new money in the game, they pull the plug.

    They have GREECE / EUROPE / USA STATES – MUNICIPALITIES

    When I was in my early 30s I was in my last night visiting Las Vegas.
    I walked in on a game I had never seen – Texas Holdem.
    The guy at the end of the table knew everybody and everyone who
    stopped by to visit.

    After a few hours a seat opened ip and I put my wallet on the table’
    getting $ 40 in chips.
    The second hand I had a hand and bet.
    I was raised.
    I pulled money out of my wallet.
    The raiser objected.
    The guy at the end of the Table said this is table stakes.
    He said my raise was OK.
    i won the pot.

    A couple hands later I was wiped out. I lost maybe $ 60?

    That weekend I was watching ABC Wide World of Sports from Las Vegas
    for the World Poker Championship.
    At the finals was Doyle Brunson (the guy who knew everyone) and two
    other guys I played poker with in Lost Wages.

    The Stock Market is like gambling with the pros, or against the House.
    Sometimes you win.
    Sometimes you even walk out the winner.

    Just looking at the size of and splendor of the Casinos, would one guess
    whether they won or lost.

    Same thing on Wall Street.

    The have so much info….it is almost like they have marked cards.

    Incidently, I was friendly with one of th edealers, who kept ne a little
    ahead in black jack.
    I asked him if he knew what cards were in the deck, since they had
    4 decks in the shoe? There was no one else at the table like 4 am!

    He asked me if I was kidding?
    I was innocent and serious, so I told him I just wanted to know?

    He was looking me in the eye, when he called the next 10 cards
    he turned over!

  27. 28 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “that means that neither party wants me!!!”
    You may have a really good point there.

    “I do NOT think that tax cuts lead to debts, quite the opposite actually”
    Really? Trickle down? Still?

    “it’s Clinton’s fault for assuming that the “bubble” would continue”
    Unlike Bush and the housing bubble? So, the answer is a better executive crystal ball? I think the difference is that the Internet bubble left the internet intact and most people still in their homes.

    “And how can anyone favor separate treatment for the wealthy?”
    You mean like treating unearned income differently than say, a paycheck? You want me to answer that or do you already know my answer?

    “What if the wealthy insist upon separate water fountains just for them?”
    Pssst… they do.

    “the Dems trying to cater to their constituents by getting them approved (undeservedly so) for mortgages that they couldn’t afford!”
    I believe it was called making the housing market fair.

    “You can blame the bankers if you want”
    Thanks, I think I will.

    “but blaming the Repubs for mess that the Dems created is just WRONG!!!”
    When you started to see the billboards and adds for “Zero Downpayment!” and “No Credit? No Problem!” somebody should have started paying attention.

  28. 29 jezebel282

    Oh…and this one is great except for the headline which should be “DUH!”

    UPDATE: Blankfein Says Goldman Must Renew Core Principles

    By Joe Bel Bruno and Brett Philbin
    Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

    NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–Lloyd C. Blankfein took the stage Friday at Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s (GS) annual meeting pledging to rebuild the investment bank’s reputation tarnished by government civil charges of securities fraud.

    The chairman and chief executive said the company will set up a business standards committee that will look into ways the company can confront the current scrutiny over its business practices. He said it was “clear that our firm must renew the core principles that has sustained us for 141 years.”

    “The last few weeks have been a difficult and disappointing year for the firm,” Blankfein told shareholders. “Questions have been raised that have gone to the heart of our most fundamental value: How we treat our clients.

    No mention, of course, about investing in companies that employ people, new ventures or consumer lending.

    I mean, really Sudds, how can you not just love these guys? They are so cute and cuddly.

  29. 30 jezebel282

    Update:

    Senate unanimously approves measure to audit the Fed
    Bill would have Fed disclose names of bank recipients of emergency loans

    By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — A compromise measure requiring the government to conduct a one-time and unprecedented audit of the Federal Reserve’s emergency-response programs was unanimously approved Tuesday by the Senate as part of sweeping bank reform legislation.

    One time only? That’s the best they can do? And any discussion of monetary policy is excluded?

    Didn’t the Fed just agree just agree to a HUGE swap of U.S. Dollars to EU banks? Not to mention a 20% contribution of hard cash to the IMF as part of the $1 TRILLION EU bailout?

    But here is the most astounding bit of news: Congress has yet to pass a U.S. jobs bill and an extension of unemployment benefits. According to the CBO, every dollar spent on unemployment compensation returns $1.63 to the U.S. economy. Hundreds of thousands of American citizen’s unemployment compensation runs out every single week.

    In the meantime, bank earnings are at record levels along with healthcare insurance premiums.

    In the meantime, we have these two astounding statements:

    “You can’t go on forever,” said Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, of Montana, whose panel oversees the benefits program. “I think 99 weeks is sufficient,” he said.

    “There’s just been no discussion to go beyond that,” said Senator Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat.

    Really? We can subsidize 6 banks forever even though the bulk of their revenue comes from securities trading and not lending, but we can’t let people make their mortgage payments “forever” because the banks destroyed 17 million jobs?

    What color is the sun on these guy’s planet?

  30. 31 sudds

    I hope you’re sitting down Jez…

    I think unemployment should be extended to WELL BEYOND 99 weeks*!!!

    * assumes that new measures are put into place to (a) drug screen recipients (you use, and you get squat), and (b) employees can PROVE that they are actively looking for employment (calling the state and answering 5-6 simple questions is just NOT enough)!!!

  31. 32 jezebel282

    Gasp!

    A) Random would be fine
    B) Do you have any idea what it would take to review all recipient’s job search efforts?

    But, you are correct. I am shocked. Instead of Too Big To Fail policy and then pumping trillions of dollars to failed enterprises Congress should adopt a Too Many to Fail policy and save people.

  32. 33 1george1

    Is it true Chris Miron is working for PW and doing a good job?

    I like Chris, compared to Dicks / Jimmy.
    Not a bad kid.
    Yet if there were PW layoffs …..
    And if political benefits ….

    ===========

    Jeze,
    I agree with much of your comments back to Sudds

    I agree with your posting Goldman / Senate.

    Jeze we have an advantage over the average american.
    We have seen Mirons / Burturlas / Butternuts games for decades.

    Because the Star published my Letters to the Editor, and because
    I was seen during the Mayor Race + on Town Council meeings,
    I get people coming up to me, thanking me for sticking up for
    them and Stratford and for exposing stratford politics games.

    They tell me I am not an easy read ….
    As least I am consistent with my blogging.

    Ron Moreau thanked me on/for blogging to help him put pieces
    together.

    Phyllis identified herself to me and told me I was right on.

    Star identified herself to me and mostly appreciates my positions.

    Sylvia and I gained great respect for each other, after many people
    warned against Voccola / Sylvia.
    – At least Voccola looked you in the eye and told you the truth,
    unlike Burturlas / Mirons / RTC

    FYI – I respect the old mafia above the current gangsters populating
    the political justice system, wha want to steal everything.

    JEZE – please sit down.

    The blog has been great practice and informative.

    I am aware of (ex) Town Councilors and spouses who read it as well as
    Attorneys, Workers, and others.

    Increasingly they have become aware that what they accept as S. O. P.
    is wrong.

    Increasingly they introspect.
    They will NOT UNILATERALLY give up what they have.

    They are being conditioned by outside factors and people on the blog,
    to recognize realities of other people.

    Racism does and has existed – both ways
    Anti – Semitism / Anti – Goy
    Irish hegomony /
    Italian
    English

    The list goes own. The USA is a melting pot and a salad bowl.

    People are individual life experience of electronic impulses with
    limited temporal equity.

    Life is Darwinian where people like animals, fish, and crops are
    hunted / harnissed; and harvested in a food chain.

    Yet technology, communication, transportation, industry, agraculture,
    finance, commerce, education has the ability RIGHT NOW to turn
    dystopia into contemporary and realistically comparative
    utopia bringing
    cornucopia

    All that prevents beneficence is troglodyte political practices and
    pernicious personnel.

  33. 34 jezebel282

    George,

    “I agree with much of your comments back to Sudds”

    It is nice that you agree.

    However, I would prefer that Rosa DelAuro and Jim Himes listened more. I have given up on Dodd (Say, do you need a low interest CountryWide loan?) and Lieberman (Mr. Insurance Company).

    It is hard to believe that Dodd is running a Financial “Regulation” effort. Maybe it isn’t. He might be working at Bank of America right after his term expires.

    I have even less faith that Richard (so you stole from a few dozen widows? Who hasn’t?) Blumenthal or the Wrestling Lady would do any better. It’s almost embarrassing to be a Connecticut voter.

  34. 35 jezebel282

    George,

    “Is it true Chris Miron is working for PW and doing a good job?”

    It is NOT true and completely unfounded.

    (Whoever passed you that tidbit laced it with poison).

  35. 36 jezebel282

    Update:

    Bloomberg
    Senate Adopts Plan to Reduce Credit Rating Conflicts (Update2)
    May 13, 2010, 3:44 PM EDT
    By Jesse Westbrook and Alison Vekshin

    May 13 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate approved a proposal to let regulators decide who rates asset-backed securities after investors said Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s Investors Service assigned inflated assessments to mortgage bonds because the companies were paid by Wall Street firms selling the debt.

    The Senate in a 64-35 vote today approved an amendment to the financial overhaul legislation that would create a ratings board overseen by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The panel would assign a credit-rating company to rank an offering.

    “There is a staggering conflict of interest affecting the credit-rating industry,” said Senator Al Franken, a Minnesota Democrat who offered the amendment. “Issuers of securities are paying for the credit ratings. They shop around for their ratings.”

    Public pension funds blame S&P, Moody’s and Fitch Ratings for helping cause the global financial crisis by giving top rankings to mortgage-linked securities that blew up when the housing market collapsed in 2007. Lawmakers and regulators have been debating for three years how to reduce conflicts at the companies.

    While this is extremely good news for you and me, anyone wanna guess which TWO senators voted against it?

    Did you guess Lieberman and Dodd? If you did, you were correct. The big question is would Blumenthal or the Wrestling Lady have voted differently?

  36. 37 1george1

    I think it I read something about FDR + Joe Kennedy where they changed
    the rules AFTER they were able to take advantage of loop holes or flaws
    in the system.

    Kinda like a BANK getting the latest and greatest safe, AFTER they were
    robbed, from an inside job.

    Or fixing a pension plan after the pensioners were robbed
    K-mart
    UAL Aesop
    etc

  37. 38 jezebel282

    Update:

    The NY Times:

    Fannie Seeks $8.4 Billion After 1st-Quarter Loss

    “Despite the increase in our foreclosure rate during the first quarter of 2010, foreclosure levels were lower than what they otherwise would have been due to our directive to servicers to delay foreclosure sales until the loan servicer verifies that the borrower is ineligible for a HAMP modification and that all other foreclosure prevention alternatives have been exhausted,” Fannie said in a statement.

    “The continued weak economy and high unemployment rates, as well as the prolonged decline in home prices on a national basis, continue to result in an increase in the percentage of our mortgage loans that transition from delinquent to foreclosure status and significantly reduced the values of our foreclosed single-family properties.”

    The momentary drop in delinquencies could be explained by the start up of the home retention workouts. Defaults could therefore shoot back up in the next few quarters if the vast majority of loans in trouble do not qualify for a modification.

    In other words, there are so many mortgages in trouble that there aren’t enough staff to process the amount of foreclosures. To qualify for a loan modification you must first destroy your credit score before you receive any help. That way Visa & Mastercard can raise your interest rates.

    But, what would you expect when 17 MILLION people (at a minimum) are out of work and taxes keep going up?

  38. 39 jezebel282

    Update:

    What, exactly, is the date Dodd is not a senator anymore?

    Dodd offers compromise on derivatives deadlock

    By Brady Dennis
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, May 18, 2010; 6:58 PM

    Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) has offered a last-minute compromise to resolve one of the few remaining disputes over the Senate’s landmark bill on financial regulation: a disagreement over derivatives that has sent shudders through Wall Street.

    Three minutes before the noon deadline for amendments, Dodd filed a proposal addressing language in the bill that would force the nation’s largest banks to stop trading nearly all kinds of derivatives — a move that would dramatically reshape several critical markets and deprive the firms of a major source of revenue.

    Under the compromise, the Senate would keep the sweeping provision, but delay its implementation for two years while it’s studied and quite likely kill it at the end.

    Dodd’s plan calls for submitting the derivatives rules, which were initially proposed by Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), for study by a federal council of regulators. Several key members of the council and Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, who could have final say under the compromise, have serious reservations about forcing banks to get out of the derivatives business altogether.

    Within a year, the council would report its findings, which are likely to be critical of the proposed rules because several members of the council — including the current heads of the FDIC, the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency — have already expressed opposition to the proposal.

    …Michael Greenberger, a former top official at the Commodities Future Trading Commission who has consulted with Lincoln on the derivatives legislation, criticized the amendment. He said it could leave in place risky trading activities that would come back to haunt taxpayers.

    Greenberger said that if Lincoln’s provision is delayed for two years — or dropped sooner — the government would remain on the hook if bank speculation goes bad. “This does not sound like a good compromise, certainly not for the American taxpayer.”

    Bank speculation go bad? What are the chances?

    Wasn’t Geithner in charge when the spit hit the fan? Chairman of the NY Fed, I think. And the Fed? Trillions and trillions of unaudited dollars? And the FDIC who will leave us on the hook when these banks fail….again?

    What are these guys thinking? And they want to be re-elected?

  39. 40 1george1

    FDR appointed Joe Kennedy to head the SEC to be able to close
    the loop holes Kennedy and others used to raid the Stock Market.

    Just look at the different vehicles used to liquify citizens real estate
    wealth since th end of the Cold War, and transfer to Senate’s friends.

    Trilateral gradually off shoring industries
    Kited Stock Markets 1988 – 2000
    Kited Real Estate 1988 – 2000
    Easy Refiance
    Teaser Credit Card Rates
    Drop Oil prices to $ 10.58 barrel by Dec 1998
    about Y2K start Reverse
    Bust internet Stocks
    9/11 recession
    2003 take out electric car + Iraq/Iran Oil off market > zoom Oil prices
    USA Profits under seige from high energy prices
    2006 2008 stock – real estate crash
    unemployment

    The more things change ………..

  40. 41 sudds

    Let’s face it… our government TOTALLY DROPPED THE BALL on Wall St reform!!!

    6-12 months ago the federal government had its perverbial “foot on the throat” of Wall St (along with 99.9% of the country wanting reform), and could have whateverthey wanted. Instead they did NOTHING (other than pass Healthcare reform… which I doubt we’ll ever see enacted anyway)!!!

    Does anyone wonder if maybe (just maybe) this has some sort of connection to the large number of former Wall Street executives on Obama’s payroll these days???

    ~~ SUDDS for D-3 Council ~~

    “because inaction is failure, unless your Councilman Catalano who got the Council to NOT act on the Shakespeare theatre… which is the only success he’s ever cared about!!!”

  41. 42 sudds

    oops…

    “could have whateverthey wanted” = “could have INSTITUTED whatever they wanted”

  42. 43 1george1

    Sudds,
    My impression of Councilor Catalano’s position on Shakespeare is that
    he can Chris C (what ever happened to Chris?) wanted the Hanney deal
    destroyed.

    Councilor Catalano’ has got the Shakespeare Theater moving towards a
    Festival and stuff is going on ….

    Whether it will succeed or be sabotaged again or whatever there powers
    that caused the delays have in mind I do not know.

    As noted, I consistently wrote there is a time table and it is likely that
    regardless if it was Matt or someone else, they would likely move forward
    on Shakespeare and AVCO after JULY 1.

    It appears everyone has been paid off, in full.

    I just wonder which ones will be double crossed.
    I hate to admit it.
    There is a History.
    I do not like Blumenthol and enjoyed him being embarassed.

    Conversely, I do not like (R) alternatives of
    McMahon – Lowell Weicker on WWF Board of Directors – Bush’s boy
    Simmons – ex CIA

    Heads they win … Tails we lose.

    Sudds post # 42 is the way things are!

  43. 44 jezebel282

    George,

    Do you even bother looking at where you’re posting?

  44. 45 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Does anyone wonder if maybe (just maybe) this has some sort of connection to the large number of former Wall Street executives on Obama’s payroll these days???”

    Or maybe huge cash donations to campaigns of senators?

  45. 46 1george1

    George,

    Do you even bother looking at where you’re posting?

    > JEZE MY POSTS WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO WHAT YOU AND SUDDS POSTED,

    WEREN’T THEY? JUST LOOK BELOW AND THEN CONFIRM LOOKING ABOVE!

    IF YOU WANT, I CAN COPY AND PASTE
    A) YOUR REFERENCE TO BLUMENTHAL AND MY COUNTER POINTS
    B) SUDDS REFERENCE TO CATALANO / SHAKESPEARE + MY COUNTER

  46. 47 jezebel282

    Update:

    UPDATE 1-One in 7 US homeowners paying late or in foreclosure
    Wed May 19, 2010 12:04pm EDT
    By Lynn Adler

    NEW YORK, May 19 (Reuters) – One in every seven U.S. households with a mortgage ended the first quarter behind on payments or in foreclosure, although a peak in unemployment could mean repayment stress is easing, the Mortgage Bankers Association said on Wednesday.

    While the rate of new foreclosure actions has slowed, the stockpile of loans that are seriously delinquent or in foreclosure means a long path to recovery for the U.S. housing market.

    This is despite the billions of dollars available to modify mortgages. And why is this? Because when you fill out the paperwork for a loan modification the bank transfers you to their sales department where you are invited to refinance your existing mortgage at the current market rate plus closing costs and points.

    Rather than actually modifying mortgages, banks are using the program as a marketing tool. They will then, of course, turn around (in about 15 minutes) and sell your mortgage to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. That way Republican Senators can scream about big government programs.

  47. 48 cstratct

    George, I’m keeping an eye on things but I have some other important issues to attend to at the moment. Not to mention this ongoing trash talking from anonymous cowards who think this garbage makes them seem tough. It’s the other reason I’ve cut down on posting. The BS coming from some of these people doesn’t even warrant a response.

    I’ll say this: I’m sick of Sudds garbage about the Shakespeare Theatre. Tell us your background dealing with these types of revitalization issues. Show us you have one ounce of knowledge about what is really necessary to properly revitalize this venue appropriately and what operational model would be best for the Town.

    Let’s get one thing straight George: My objection to the Hanney deal was based on the facts as they appeared in the proposed contract. I couldn’t care less what people thought of me for opposing the deal because at the end of the day it was a TERRIBLE deal for the town. Look at Mr. Hanney’s history with these types of projects. Take a look at what is happening with Ipswich. And where North Shore is concerned, he walked into an existing venue that was already renovated and purchased it for a fraction of its assessed value. He took advantage of the situation, which is his prerogative. But Ipswich is a more comparable example to Stratford, and that project is still languishing.

    From the article: “Hanney gutted the building, then plans fell through for the other businesses. “The economy,” is his simple response when asked what went wrong. “Everybody fell apart and we couldn’t get renters.”

    His thinking was that “we can afford to sit on it and wait it out.” Some town officials were less enthusiastic about needing to be patient.

    “It sits empty and I’m kind of disappointed,” says Patrick McNally, head of Ipswich selectmen who chaired the Building Re-use Committee. Hanney’s plan “really would have invigorated the building and reinvigorated that area of our small town. “» He seemed like a sincere, enthusiastic fella. We were surprised when it just languished.”

    http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100515/LIFE/5150306

    By the way, I loved his quote from an article posted May 15th:

    “One of my dreams was to bring the (Stratford) theater back “¦ but I have to move on,” he says. “I’m almost glad it didn’t happen because I’m going to have a lot more fun at North Shore. It’s (a lot closer) to my house.”

    http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100515/LIFE/5150304

    $3M for him to “have fun” at our expense. And I find it hilarious that he doesn’t want to reveal his age (as stated in the article) but we were supposed to just agree to a 40 year agreement for the property.

    And Sudds, when you’re ready to actually tell everyone who you are and why people should even consider voting for you, maybe someone will listen.

  48. 49 sudds

    “I’ll say this: I’m sick of Sudds garbage about the Shakespeare Theatre. Tell us your background dealing with these types of revitalization issues.”

    Better yet… why don’t YOU tell everyone about your “dealings”?

    Personally… I could care less about the theater as long… just so lang as it does NOT cost the taxpayers of this town another cent!!!

    You see Councilman… while some people (cough, cough) don’t seem to mind if they increase the taxes people have to pay (even though they have NO idea where the current budget is actually going)… some people in this town actually DO care about the tax rate that citizens (and businesses) must pay!!!

    ~~ SUDDS for D-3 Council ~~

    “kicking back kickbacks”

  49. 50 sudds

    And Sudds, when you’re ready to actually tell everyone who you are

    (why should I do that at this time?)

    and why people should even consider voting for you

    (are you not paying attention?),

    maybe someone will listen

    (this part is just funny, because I was recently talking to an elected republican public official about “this Sudds person”… note: he/she had no idea it was me… so I guess SOMEONE is listening!!!)

    ~~ Sudds for D-3 Council ~~

    “$20 says that I WON’T be supported by Miron”

  50. 51 cstratct

    I have NO “dealings” you idiot.

    And as far as the theatre costing the taxpayers, I actually agree that the theatre should be self-sustaining with at most a minimum of public funds. Those funds may be needed to leverage other funding, but it shouldn’t be the only source for the revitalization and should represent a very small portion of total revenue.

    Your lack of understanding regarding this issue is evident.

    And what makes you think I don’t care about higher taxes? I pay property taxes in this town just like you “sudds,” so I’m just as concerned about the increase as anyone in this town.

    The fact that you continue to act like a coward while attacking others with blatently FALSE statements just shows the type of character you display.

    ~~SUDDS for nothing~~

    until he actually has the courage to confront people directly with his baseless accusations

  51. 52 jezebel282

    Referee’s Note:

    “until he actually has the courage to confront people directly with his baseless accusations”

    Rules: Anonymity will be maintained unless there are multiple usernames from the same IP address.

    Identity does not make a point valid or invalid.

  52. 53 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    Anonymity is one thing. Flat out lies with no factual information is something else.

  53. 54 sudds

    WOW! Awfully testy all of a sudden Mr. Councilman! Perhaps I struck a nerve???

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “I actually agree that the theatre should be self-sustaining with at most a minimum of public funds.”

    Please allow me to clarify my stance on the theatre Mr. Councilman… it should NOT cost the taxpayers of this town MINIMAL public funds… it should cost the taxpayers of this town ZERO dollars!!!

    “Your lack of understanding regarding this issue is evident.”

    Hmm… perhaps then (oh wise one) you can shed a little light onto what the town has paid (current year-to-date will be fine, but a full accounting since the place was boarded-up would be ideal) on the theatre??? How about just grounds maintenance??? You just approved a budget that allocates $7,554 for grounds maintenance… so then you MUST know what we’ve spent so far this year already, right???

    “And what makes you think I don’t care about higher taxes?”

    Really??? How did that budget vote go again???

    “The fact that you continue to act like a coward while attacking others with blatently FALSE statements…”

    Umm… you DO know the difference between a statement and a question, right??? Questions which, I might add, you seem to be avoiding!!!

  54. 55 sudds

    “Flat out lies with no factual information”

    Which lies are this again?

    Oh wait… I’m guessing that you still haven’t had time ta chance to researche the difference between a statement and a question yet.

  55. 56 cstratct

    Sudds,

    What are you talking about? I’m not a councilman. Who do you think you’re talking to?

  56. 57 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WOW! Awfully testy all of a sudden Mr. Councilman!”

    You DO know that Cstrat and Matpcat are two different people, right?

    Cstrat is not the councilman.

  57. 58 jezebel282

    Sudds?

    Ooops?

  58. 59 sudds

    Oops! 😳

  59. 60 sudds

    PS… please accept my apologies!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    Note to Mrs Sudds… see I CAN admit when I screw up!! 😛

  60. 61 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Congratulations!

    Real people are not perfect.

    Welcome to the fight.

  61. 62 1george1

    Maybe Sudds had already hoisted a few prior to mixing up Chris for Matt?

    For sudds to admit an error ….?
    Obviously he has never been an elected official.

    Chris and Matt were not the only people that wanted the Hanney deal,
    destroyed. Sudds and I were also against it. Except I was public.

    I have never suggested that Chris or Matt were looking to profit from
    the Shakespeare Theater.

    I have similar and different ideas to what Matt and Chris would prefer,
    as to the best things for Shakepeare, including we agree on revenue
    for the Town with licensing protection and the Shakespeare has to
    be run at the Theater to enhance BRAND VALUE.

    I am not sure what Chris took exception too after I just made a reference
    about him and Matt (and I) hating the Hanney deal, but he woke up very,
    very cranky! 😉 Sorry Chris …. I like and respect ya more than many ….

  62. 63 jezebel282

    Update:

    Jobless claims rise by largest amount in 3 months

    By MARTIN CRUTSINGER (AP) – 1 hour ago

    WASHINGTON — The number of people filing new claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly rose last week by the largest amount in three months. The surge is evidence of how volatile the job market remains, even as the economy grows.

    Applications for unemployment benefits rose to 471,000 last week, up by 25,000 from the previous week, the Labor Department said Thursday. It was the first increase in five weeks and the biggest jump since a gain of 40,000 in February.

    The forecast had been for claims to fall by around 4,000 from the previous week.

    Because companies do not have access to capital hoarded by the 6 largest banks who use it to bankroll their gambling addiction. We get the losses and they get the winnings.

  63. 64 jezebel282

    Banks post best profit in two years in Q1, FDIC says

    By Greg Morcroft, MarketWatch

    NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The U.S. Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation said on Thursday that the banks and thrifts it insures earned $18 billion in the first quarter, well above the $5.6 billion they earned a year ago, and the highest profit since the first quarter of 2008.

    “First-quarter results for insured commercial banks and savings institutions contained positive signs of recovery for the industry. While new accounting rules had a major effect on several components of the industry’s balance sheet and income statement, there was clear improvement in certain performance indicators,” the agency said in its Quarterly Banking Profile.

    The group said the biggest earnings growth came at the biggest financial institutions it insures.

  64. 65 sudds

    If you could borrow billions of dollars from the government at 0%, and then turn around and invest those same funds into government bonds paying around 3%… you’d have one heck of a quarter too!!!

  65. 66 jezebel282

    “government bonds paying around 3%”

    And most people think only the Congress has the ability to tax Americans.

    That is a 3% tax on everyone.

  66. 67 mayor2013

    Jezebel,

    Email this blog to the President and to every member of Congress. This is just utterly disgusting and unacceptable. If Obama does not get things under control and under control quickly – well – he is doomed!

  67. 68 mayor2013

    I can just see the headlines – above the fold – Stratford Mayor John Harkins announces his exploratory committee to run for President of the United States. Don’t sit there laughing – he is so arrogant and in love with himself and surrounded with all his love puppets – this can be a real deal.

  68. 69 sudds

    mayor2013 = George Mulligan???

  69. 70 sudds

    😆

  70. 71 jezebel282

    Update:

    Bloomberg
    IBM, Business Groups Oppose Jobs Bill Over Tax Increase Plans
    May 25, 2010, 12:26 AM EDT
    By Ryan J. Donmoyer

    May 25 (Bloomberg) — International Business Machines Corp. and trade groups for major U.S. companies are pressing Congress to defeat a jobs bill containing billions of dollars in taxes on their global operations.

    The effort, spearheaded in part by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and an alliance of companies including IBM, Microsoft Corp. and General Electric Co., is aimed at a measure that extends aid to unemployed workers, promotes bond issuances for infrastructure projects, and renews more than three-dozen business tax breaks, including a credit for experimental research that many of the companies support.”

    So let’s see if we have this straight. The companies that laid off millions of employees are now opposing a jobs bill? They are afraid that their offshore revenues will be taxed

    “IBM reduced its effective tax rate by 9 percentage points in 2009 because it was able to defer U.S. taxes on money earned in lower-tax countries, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.”

    Or worse! Their own rewards might be taxed?

    “Opposition from major U.S.-based multinational corporations injects a new lobbying front in an effort to defeat the bill, which has been opposed most prominently by private-equity firms such as New York-based Blackstone Group LP and Washington-based Carlyle Group, the National Venture Capital Association, and the Real Estate Roundtable.

    Those groups are trying to block a proposed tax increase on carried interest, the share of profits that fund executives earn as part of their compensation. Carried interest is taxed at the lower capital-gains rate when it involves long-term gains. That rate is currently 15 percent and is scheduled to rise to 20 percent in 2011.

    The bill would begin taxing half of carried interest at ordinary rates as high as 35 percent this year. By 2013, three- quarters of carried interest would be subject to ordinary rates, which are scheduled to be more than 40 percent.”

    What is Congress thinking? Taxing venture capital managers’ income when they could cut off unemployment compensation to millions of American families instead?

  71. 72 jezebel282

    Update:

    The NY Times

    Republican Senators’ Lunch With Obama Is Marked by Spirited Confrontations
    By CARL HULSE
    Published: May 25, 2010

    “…Even with Mr. Obama’s appeal to Republicans, lawmakers and top aides were growing increasingly doubtful that the $200 billion tax bill, which could be considered by the House on Wednesday, could pass the Senate by the end of the week, raising the prospect that extended unemployment benefits could again lapse for some Americans…”

    Some? A few MILLION is “some”?

    Businessweek: “About 11 million Americans, roughly 70 percent of the nation’s jobless, in March received unemployment checks averaging $320 per week.”

    Some?

    While the banks are busy having us pick up their bad IOU’s from gambling debts, 11 MILLION Americans will lose what little income they have left. Why? Because Congress has been working so hard they need a Memorial Day vacation.

    In the meantime, the Senators and Representatives who opposed strong financial reform from the beginning have been assigned to the Conference Committee to produce a Finreg bill. You can be assured that the banks will be allowed to continue to gamble our money on derivatives that are worthless with 100% of the risk backed by us. The cash window at the Fed will still be open and the Treasury will gladly pay 3% on money borrowed from the Fed for free.

    As long as the big six banks (who control 63% of our economy) are allowed to gamble with our money instead of investing it in businesses, our standard of living will decline and the gamblers standard will rise to new heights.

    Somehow we need to put the capital back in capitalism.

  72. 73 1george1

    Jeze,

    Good commentary where I did not see the “word” conspiracy once!

    I wonder how the Republican T.A.R.P. and Democrat “Stimulus” seems
    to all go to their constituents and avoid main street?

    What about the Transfer of Wealth related to Oil / Gas / Coal / War / Drugs
    which never seems to yield government insiders.

    Yet Aldrich Ames and Robert Hannsen were outted 10 years after end of Cold
    War and just prior to Y2K + 9/11?

  73. 74 jezebel282

    Update:

    WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)–House Democratic leaders have agreed to trim a tax-cut and jobless-benefits package in an attempt to revive the bill, which had stalled because Democrats were wary of its impact on the deficit.

    The revised bill will postpone scheduled cuts in Medicare payments to doctors for 19 months, instead of the 3 1/2 years included in a version of the bill introduced last week.

    Democratic leaders also trimmed the extension of unemployment benefits and Cobra health-insurance subsidies by one month, so that those programs would now be extended through the end of November 2010, according to a House Democratic aide.

    Really? November? Right after midterm elections? Are we really that stupid?

  74. 75 jezebel282

    Update:

    May 27, 2010
    Businesses fear increase coming in state unemployment tax

    By Keith M. Phaneuf

    State government has relied on $500 million in interest-free, federal loans to keep its unemployment compensation trust fund afloat since mid-October, and legislators made no changes this year to the system for providing aid to jobless residents.

    But with that interest waiver set to expire at year’s end and state labor officials still handing out 150,000 unemployment checks each week, the state’s business community is worried that it’s being set up for a major tax hike after the November election.

    “Businesses are going to get hit with a big punch, one-two,” said Kia Murrell, assistant counsel to the Connecticut Business and Industry Association. “You’ve got a variety of factors out there and, when taken together, they make tax increases inevitable” if they are not addressed.

    State Labor Department spokeswoman Nancy Steffens said the agency provided 157,000 unemployment checks to residents last week, and routinely has been providing more than 150,000 per week over much of the past year. By comparison, when the state’s unemployment rate is closer to the 4 percent mark it usually enjoys in good economic times, about 60,000 checks are issued per week.

    Connecticut, like many other states, struggled to keep up with the demand for unemployment benefits as the jobless rate rose above 9 percent. Economists estimate the state lost close to 100,000 jobs since the recession began in March 2008 and has regained only about 10,000 of them.

    So, let’s see if we have this straight. Connecticut businesses think they are being “set up”? Weren’t these the guys that laid off 157,000+ workers? Let’s just take it a step further and say some of the 157,000+ people who were fired were also married and maybe had children. That would conservatively come to something beyond a QUARTER OF A MILLION CT residents that were affected by these lay-offs.

    And businesses think they are being “set up”? By whom? Themselves?

    And let’s recall (Sorry, I’m on a roll) that Unemployment Compensation is TAXED as regular income unlike capital gains.

  75. 76 jezebel282

    Memorial Day message from Congress:

    Yesterday, the House of Representatives was bickering about a back up engine (honest, the back up engine) for the F-35 fighter jet. GE (Boston) 1, Pratt Whitney (Hartford) 0.

    Meanwhile the Senate dickered over prohibiting the EPA from fining contracting firms who were not trained in removing lead paint from homes. Untrained contractors 1, EPA 0.

    Both house also kicked the can down the road and left it to the Department of Defense to end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.

    And all the while the only group in the United States without it’s own lobbying firm (the 17 million unemployed) watched as their benefits expire on Monday.

    And, of course, the Dow gained 285 points yesterday.

  76. 77 1george1

    Jeze,

    I am proud of your posting these items.

    However I am sad they exist.

    If people take part time jobs, their weekly unemployee has a
    percentage deducted for the part time earnings.

    HOWEVER, when the RECALUCATION OCCURS, those new part time
    earnings are used to CALCULATE your NEW and LOWER unemployment.

    Have McNeil, Farmer, or Soto taken pt work?

    At least O’Meara is finally out and free from this effect.
    Not that he isn’t hurting.
    I hope his business is doin good.

  77. 78 jezebel282

    George,

    “However I am sad they exist.”

    When people, like all of us, see these disconnects in our country (Do NOT start with conspiracies) where Congress, the President, the Courts and the media LEAP to the defense of banks and giant corporations at our expense it is no wonder most people are disgusted and pessimistic… and unemployed.

    What is yet more frustrating is that 81 years ago the very same thing happened and nobody learned. Banks were not regulated, the stock market was a casino and you were allowed to bet with nothing more than an IOU.

    And yet, banking shills like Greg Judd and insurance company puppets like Charles Grassley still manage to summon up righteous indignation about making the rules fair and how instead we should allow these thieves to regulate themselves.

  78. 79 jezebel282

    Update:

    Senatorial Message: Good luck! We’re out of here.

    The Senate has gone home for the Memorial Day holiday. No Jobs bill, no unemployment compensation, no summer jobs for kids.

  79. 80 sudds

    Why would they do that when they have more imprtant issues to deal with…

    …like making sure that our gay/lesbian military members can finally wear a rainbow badge on their uniform!!! 😛

    Note: before I’m lynched (wait, am I a racist too for using the word lynched?)… it should be noted that I am actually all for gay rights.

  80. 81 sudds

    oops… continued…

    I just think that our government has MUCH MORE important issues to tackle right now than repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell”!!! (besides, shouldn’t repealing that take like 15 minutes?)

    Let’s be honest… this is without a doubt one of the biggest political “pandering” moves that I have ever seen!!! Instead of giant oil spills, huge unemployment lines, states sliding into bankruptcy, etc, etc, etc… our government instead chooses to spend their time on THIS?

    WTF Washington???

  81. 82 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “WTF Washington???”

    Here is the reasoning: Spending $40 billion on aid for unemployed people was considered too great a burden on the national debt. It is far better to let hundreds of thousands of families proceed toward foreclosures, give up health insurance (pay COBRA) and withdraw from society in general because (according to one Republican senator) unemployment compensation discourages people from trying to find a job.

    On the other hand, providing $60 billion in addition to about $130 billion Congress already approved for Afghanistan and Iraq for this year is no problem at all. This year alone $200+ BILLION for war (so far) requires no justification whatsoever.

    Since the beginning of the recession, the only time we hear Rosa DelAuro’s name is when Sikorsky is bidding on another helicopter. I don’t mind that she is Sikorsky’s private Congressman, but while she isn’t busy taking care of them, you’d think she’d represent an actual voter or two.

    Pssst, Rosa. 17,000 CT residents lost their benefits last week. 17,000 more next week, 18,000 more the week after…..

  82. 83 sudds

    Ummm… since when do the people in charge right now give a flying monkey-fart about our national debt???

  83. 84 jezebel282

    Oh…almost forgot.

    The Senate left before they could decide to pass the repeal of Don’t As Don’t Tell. When they come back after their weeklong vacation they will debate the “compromise” bill of letting the Defense Department decide if it should end. Not only did they kick it down the road, they kicked it right out of their court.

    Not bad when your paid $174,000/year plus every benefit known to man to make decisions, huh?

  84. 85 jezebel282

    Oh wait!. My bad. I also forgot to mention that part of the $60 BILLION military supplemental expenditure was targeted towards creating jobs….in Afghanistan.

  85. 86 1george1

    What if everything was planned to ….. fail?

    Jeze, has excellent computer knowledge / skills as proven by
    looking up all kinds of … ahhh … relevant stuff … 😉

    How much have super computers and computers improved
    since the movie “war games” was started and released.

    Jeze – specific question:

    How many generations of computer improvement exists?

    Is there ANY likelyhood that DOD which war games every national
    security issues, has not anticiaped and/or caused these issues?

    To what end?

    To force changes they could not cause by continuing as is.

    By sabotaging things, they force changes.

    My issues about change is less about the needs to change,
    but more about trusting people who either caused or allowed
    so many bad things since the Eisenhower warning,

    Partially about conspriacy.

    Mostly about leading people down a path to delegitimatize all
    threats to investigation / prosecution.

    =

    see new nader e-mail i will send to jeze / sudds

  86. 87 jezebel282

    George,

    “How many generations of computer improvement exists?”

    Since when. Since the abacus or ENIAC? Maybe the TRS 80? Or perhaps the creation of binary math? You can build a computer out of wood, you know. It’ll be larger than a laptop though.

    “Is there ANY likelyhood that DOD which war games every national
    security issues, has not anticiaped and/or caused these issues?”

    No. A computer is just a machine. Like any other machine. There is nothing good or evil about it. Like every other machine, improvements are driven by need and economics.

    “By sabotaging things, they force changes.”

    LOL! Have you ever tried sending a file via Xmodem or Kermit? At a blazing 1200 Baud? No sabotaging required, thank you.

    God bless DARPA for TCP/IP

  87. 88 jezebel282

    Update:

    They’re back.

    After a week long vacation spent tapping lobbyists for more campaign money, Congress has returned.

    The NY Times:
    Senate Said to Scale Back ‘Carried Interest’ Tax
    June 8, 2010, 7:03 am

    Senate Democrats are closing in on an agreement to slightly soften a tax hike on executives at private equity firms, hedge funds and other investment partnerships, passed in the House last month, Bloomberg News reported, citing a Senate aide.

    The plan currently being discussed in the Senate would see “carried interest” — the portion of a fund’s investment gains taken by fund managers as compensation — taxed at about 33 percent for assets held less than seven years, and about 31 percent for assets held longer than that, Bloomberg News said.

    Under current rules, carried interest is taxed federally at a rate of 15 percent because it is treated as a capital gain. That contrasts with the tax rate on ordinary income, which can be as high as 35 percent.

    The plan approved by the House on May 28, which overcame strong lobbying pressure from Wall Street, amounted to a compromise that would tax 75 percent of carried interest as ordinary income and 25 percent as capital gains, with no special rates for long-term assets. It is expected to raise more than $17 billion in tax revenue over the next decade.

    The measure is part of a broader tax bill, passed by a vote of 215 to 204 in the House, that would extend benefits for unemployed people.

    But not for the unemployed who have exhausted their benefits.

    So…if we have this correctly, the Senate wants to reduce the tax “burden” on hedge fund managers while throwing the unemployed off the cliff?

    If the Senate amends the bill, it will go back to the House for another vote. Every week hundreds of thousands of unemployed workers lose their benefits. In fact, it wasn’t important enough for the Senate to stick around and even vote on it two weeks ago.

    Does anyone still wonder why the American people have lost faith in their own government?

  88. 89 sudds

    Not only are the unemployed losing their benefits every day… but during every day that passes Wall Street Executives are working on ways to get around paying these taxes!

    My guess is that they add another layer of “income” to their plans which the gov’t will have to start at “square one” to try and tax (which of course won’t even begin until the guys on Wall Street do something else incredilbly stupid that draws attention to their salaries).

  89. 90 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Wall Street Executives are working on ways to get around paying these taxes! ”

    What is even sadder is that Unemployment Compensation, as meager as it is, is taxed as regular income while these guys argue that 15% is too much already.

  90. 91 sudds

    Agreed!

    PS… for anyone out there collecting unemployment… I believe that the first $2,400 (annually) of unemployment is now exempt from tax!!!

  91. 92 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I believe that the first $2,400 (annually) of unemployment is now exempt from tax!”

    You are correct.
    It is as if the $15/week extra the unemployed get for each dependent is tax free.

    Of the people I (and almost anyone) know that are unemployed, they think that they are alone. Abandoned by their employer, their health insurance company, and now their government, they have no voice. No one speaks for the unemployed. There are no lobbyists, major donors, industries, or media outlets that speak for them. 17 million Americans that are cut off from their society.

    Every day there are 500+ readers of this blog and only you and I, Sudds, speak up for the unemployed.

    You and I…..how sad is that?

  92. 93 sudds

    Well… in all fariness… it IS a blog for Stratford, and unemployment is a national issue!

    It’s not like Frodo Baggins (err… I mean Liebermann) or the soon to be ambASSador to some lame country Drunk Irishman (oops again, I mean Dodd) have to worry about being unemployed… they’ve somehow made MILLIONS while working a public job!!!

  93. 94 sudds

    PS…

    “only you and I, Sudds, speak up”

    seems like a good time to remind everyone…

    ~~ SUDDS for D-3 Council 2011 ~~

    “because Mrs. Sudds says I have a big mouth… so why not use it for US?”

  94. 95 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “~~ SUDDS for D-3 Council 2011 ~~”

    You have my vote*. I don’t live in District 3, but this is Stratford.

    *Until you say the least little thing I disagree with.

  95. 96 jezebel282

    Just one more:

    Bernanke Says Unemployment Unlikely to Fall Quickly (Update1)
    June 08, 2010, 10:22 AM EDT
    By Scott Lanman and Joshua Zumbrun

    June 8 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the U.S. recovery probably won’t quickly bring down the unemployment rate, which is likely to stay “high for a while. The unemployment rate is still going to be high for a while, and that means that a lot of people are going to be under financial stress,” Bernanke said ”

    Which is why the Senate is resisting extending unemployment benefits?

  96. 97 sudds

    “You have my vote*. I don’t live in District 3, but this is Stratford.”

    EXACTLY why my goal is to get 10,000 votes for D-3 Council!!! 😉

  97. 98 sudds

    “Which is why the Senate is resisting extending unemployment benefits?”

    Even if people can find a job these days… their standard of living is probably going down!!! (remind me again please… what did our Council do with the budget last month???)

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The job market may be slowly starting to recover, but some salary offers are still a few years behind.

    Since the labor market began picking up steam, companies hiring for entry-level or administrative spots with pay that would normally range from $40,000 to $50,000 have been offering workers $28,000 to $38,000, said Randy Miller, founder and chief executive of ReadyMinds, a Lyndhurst, N.J., a provider of online career counseling and coaching.

    For workers further up the food chain, an offer that might have been $100,000 a few years ago is now coming in at $85,000 or $90,000, he said….

  98. 99 sudds

    PS…

    “*Until you say the least little thing I disagree with.”

    I think that we may disagree a LOT on national issues… but on local issues you and I (and everyone else… except our Council/Mayor) seem to agree on most spending/budget issues!!!

  99. 100 1george1

    It is good to read Sudds and Jeze decided to solve our national issues. 😉

    Here I was thinkin I was workin alone? 😦

    – Sudds – ya got a LOL on DRUNK IRISHMAN (redundant) comment.
    I don’t drink alcohol.
    I do see lil green men on March 17.
    Except for a french canadian gram, I thunk I am all IRISH ancestors?

    However – I care nuthin about other countries nonsense.
    We have enough of our own.

    You said it today had comment that Stratford Teacher Pay is poverty level?

    On Gavin’s hearing the Health Insurnace was over $ 18,700 minus $ 2,400
    and the Unemployment Insurance was over $ 14,500.
    Those are both line higher than Social Security recipients $ 10- $ 12,000

    Those were 61 % Benefits on $ 51,100 Base Pay for 186 days work, prior to
    SICK DAYS
    VACATION DAYS
    MEDICAID match
    FICA match
    SS mate
    STATE of CT PENSION to the more recent teachers – screw the senior teachers!

    Last year Cornish stated over 60 % of Teachers were top pay $ 88 – $ 94,000.
    Teachers 186 workdays – Admisistrators 220 workdays

    How many Administrators starting at $ 115,000 + 75 % Benefit Package
    BEFORE RETIREMENT.

    Police and Fire at least have to work over 240 days a year to get to base,’
    To get to top Teacher pay they “work” close to 300 days year,

    There are definite Hazards within Police, Fire, Teachers
    However compare work conditions of the Station or vehicles and other things
    where the Public pays for supplies.

    Hey Jeze & Sudds…- just curious if you are business owners –
    Does anyone pay for your?
    > supplies
    > unemployment insurance
    > health care
    > matching FICA, MEDICAID, SS
    > vacation / sick days
    > heat / ac / utilities / water / phone / parking at work
    > pensions 70 % to 120 % over your contractually guarenteed base pay?

  100. 101 jezebel282

    George,

    I am not sure what your point is. I am not entirely convinced you intend to have a point either.

    However….for other than the most basic health insurance (just major medical) a typical premium for a family of 3 is about $1,200 – $1,500 per MONTH. That is $14,400 – $18,000 per year.

    “On Gavin’s hearing the Health Insurnace was over $ 18,700 minus $ 2,400”

    Sound familiar?

    “Those are both line higher than Social Security recipients $ 10- $ 12,000”
    Social Security is not meant to pay medical bills. It is not medical insurance at all. That’s what Medicare is for. By the way, the latest calculation is that seniors receive 3X more value than they have put into Medicare.

    “just curious if you are business owners – Does anyone pay for your?”
    We call them “clients”. Sometimes we call them “customers”.

  101. 102 1george1

    Jeze,

    In reverse order

    Your clients and customers pay you / your company for services.
    That indicates you are a business owner and not an employee?

    Do you have a contractual guarentee weekly pay and benefits from
    a single source or multiple sources?
    Some companies are on a retainer with set weekly, monthly fees.
    That would make you analygous to an employee.

    However, if you are paid on billable hours, that would make you like
    an attorney, like Berchem / Burtyrla / Kelly

    ————–

    Source for your claim, which I believe is likely accurate:

    Seniors receive 3x what they put into Medicaid.

    I suspect Sudds would happily agree that Social Security / Medicaid
    RoI is out of whack.

    However, if the DJIA was at 30,000 with USA have almost no unemployment
    and the lowest income much higher than there would be far more money
    put into Social Security and Medicaid.

    Conversely, cost of Healthcare workers would be higher.

    Generic Drug prices show that cost is not the problem.

    I am not sure anyone has the answer, this side of supercomputers?

    ———

    Comparison of people who have to live on $ 10, – $ 12,000 a year from
    social security, is that it is likely close to what they would get had they
    ben on a defined contribution plan for pension.

    Teachers and Town are on Defined Benefit Plan an it appears they will
    get $ 20 or more for each dollar they and Town put into the Plan.

    The Teacher’s pay noted of $ 51,100 is not poverty level pay.
    Tuesday’s You said it claimed Teachers are paid close to poverty level.
    Over 60 % of Stratford Teachers are at highest level $ 88,000 – $ 94,000

    All Teachers, Admisinstrators, Fire, and Police have benefit packages
    of about 75 %
    That is prior to ABOVE noted DEFINED BENEFIT + TEACHER RETIREMENTS.

    ADDING Benefits and Retirements means Business Owners and Residents
    pay about $ 150,000 annually for those people.

    Lower paid Town Hall / PW / other workers range from $ 40,000 – $60,000
    on 35 – 37 hour work week, and cost tax payers over $ 75,000.

    At least GAVIN lives in Stratford and pays “some” Taxes.

    I can not confirm the over 70 % of Fire + Teachers + over 50 % Police
    pay NO Stratford Taxes from Primary Residence / Business.

    I have confirmation that certain Town Committee Members pay much
    lower property taxes than the average business or resident. MUCH!

    Maybe I know the point I made and you chose to ignore facts

    and come to your own conclusions, for your own reasons?

    We all do, don’t we?

  102. 103 jezebel282

    George,

    Once again, if you did have a point you certainly disguised it well.

    “However, if the DJIA was at 30,000 with USA have almost no unemployment.”

    Actually, it would not make a difference at all in employment. The NYSE and NASDAQ are secondary and tertiary markets. A company gets all the capital it is ever going to get on the day it goes public. The stock price may go up and the stock price may go down, but the operation and profitability of the company are unaffected. The most junior brokers spend their days trying to churn the retail market until that magical day they hit on a pension fund manager or institutional investor.

    And by the way, with billions of shares traded every single work day, the individual investor is nothing more than krill for the whales. The market has lost all touch with what goes on in the real world. Algorithms and parameters determine market direction. If you want your pension money or 401K to be there, buy Treasury notes. The Chinese and big banks banks aren’t stupid, you know.

    (That’ll be $150 for the financial advice, please.)

  103. 104 mayor2013

    Does anyone still wonder why the American people have lost faith in their own government?

    Does anyone still wonder why the American people have lost faith in their own government?

    Does anyone still wonder why the American people have lost faith in their own government?

    Jez – I hate to tell you…..but, I did. You never should have supported and voted for OBAMA! He cannot lead. He cannot manage. And, he is out of touch. The love affair for him is gone and now everyone is seeing just what his inexperience is doing to the people of this country. He never ever should have been elected. He can deliver a oh so passionate speech – but it ends right there. He can not deliver.

    He does not know what he is doing and the advisors should all be fired – they lack the experience just as he does.

    You know who I thought should have been sent to the White House.
    And, I guarantee you – we would not be in this condition.

    I feel sorry for all the folks out of work, out of unemployment benefits, out of health insurance, losing their homes, living in shelters – as we continue to send a ton of money fighting two wars where the inhabitants really don’t give a damn about us – they just want our funding.

    And the oil spill – let me stop here – I really need to get away from this.

  104. 105 jezebel282

    2013,

    “You never should have supported and voted for OBAMA! He cannot lead. He cannot manage. And, he is out of touch.”

    I am not at all convinced that Hillary would have done a better job. Not when 450+ Representatives and 100 Senators are more concerned with keeping their jobs than 17 million people who don’t have one.

  105. 106 cstratct

    “The love affair for him is gone and now everyone is seeing just what his inexperience is doing to the people of this country.”

    Really? Is that why his approval ratings are still higher then President Bush’s ratings at the end of his presidency. According to RCP President Obama is still at 47%-48% approval, so I suppose the “love affair” isn’t over for everybody.

    How about keeping your sweeping, all or nothing rhetoric to a dull roar?

    There are many people who, despite their concerns regarding certain legislation or actions taken by the government, still believe in it and PREFER it to any other alternative. I’ll take it any day of the week over anything in the Middle East, Africa or Europe.

    There may be certain politicians people dislike on both sides of the aisle, but a sweeping statement about people losing faith in our government is ridiculous.

    By the way, were there not people living in shelters during Bush’s time in office? Why didn’t he end poverty and unemployment during his 8 years in office? Oh yeah, how much work did Bush and the Republican majority do on health insurance, bankruptcy and foreclosure during their 6 years holding the reigns? And why didn’t he finish fighting those wars he started? He was supposed to be the “uniter” and the “decider.”

    No one individual is responsible for the issues you cite and no one individual can fix those problems single-handedly.

  106. 107 phineast

    CT-
    2013 is entitled to his/her rhetorical opinion….
    Unfortunately, I no longer believe in the “approval” polls. I know someone who works for THE most respected polling agency in the country-and even this person states that polls are not always what they seem because someone has to fund them and that someone is looking for a specific outcome-mind you this was not an accusation but it WAS an observation from an insider.
    I do know there were specific things that I disapproved of that Bush did especially at the end of his term. Right now though, I would be willing to have him back -which I never thought I would say.
    I also know that I am still waiting to find something that I agree with Obama on. To date there is not a single thing that he has done that truly is in line with the Constitution, the general public or even world order. He has actually created a level of laxity at the White House that is unprecedented, not to mention his own demonstration of complete disrespect for the history of this country and toward the people of this country. He is a good orator of prepared pieces but that is it-but we can rent an actor for that. He has sold the soul of this country away with his bailouts, and is destroying the rest of the souls with the costs behind his healthcare plan and what he hasn’t sold he is killing off(like anyone over 65 is considered a non-essential citizen in his healthcare plan-yes, I read the WHOLE thing) there will be no one left to pay for all his “bailouts”. If he were a true leader, he be looking at getting rid of unfunded education mandates that are breaking the backs of the communities in this country or find a way to fund what has been mandated. If he was a true leader he would be looking at ways to integrate medicine instead of making a broken system of “disease management medicine” the be all end all for everyone. You would think that a preventative focus in the long term would be much more cost efficient. If he was a real leader he would be working to get people off the government dependency and hand out lines. You would think as a real leader he would bring jobs back to America and really put America back to work and find a way to shrink the deficit. You would think if this guy was a real leader he would be honest about who he REALLY is, where he was born and stop playing up to his “black” side-he should be embracing the fact that he is multiracial- If he were a real leader he would be dealing with the BP crisis and it’s effect and affects on this country, the workers, the economy, the environment, etc. etc. etc. with the determination of a pit bull going after a bone-this is the is THE BIGGEST ENVIRONMENTAL CATOSTROPHE in the history of the world since the age of the Flintsones……the long tern effects of this disaster on the health of the people(and the costs to the healthcare system), wildlife, sea life, economy, is gong to be bigger than 100 Katrina’s and 100 911’s-it has a much larger scope and will last for decades. His lack of leadership shows that he doesn’t deserve to be president. He wants to be sure he gets re-elected-so he is trying to push for jailbirds having the right to vote-because he thinks they will vote for him. He is probably right-if they do they might just get a job at the white house when they get out of jail…there are certainly more people with felonious ethics working there than I have ever seen before. Actually the size of the white house staff is the largest in history.
    Would Hillary have been better? At least she had more experience under her belt.
    Who knows? Right now the whole party system needs an enema of it’s leadership-they are all awful. But Obama is by far the worst of the worst.

  107. 108 cstratct

    Phin,

    There’s so much garbage and partisan rhetoric in your previous post it’s hard to choose a starting point.

    But let’s start here:

    “He has sold the soul of this country away with his bailouts,…”

    How short is your memory? The massive bailouts of the financial sector were at the direction of President Bush and Hank Paulson. Now if you want to talk about GM or Chrysler we can have that conversation, but at least get your facts straight. And if GM went down, people would have been screaming about the thousands put out of work (because it wouldn’t have just been GM workers but suppliers providing parts for GM cars).

    And I can’t believe you’re still dragging out the ridiculous “death panel” argument. Your healthcare rant is the same talking points Republicans have been trotting out for a year and a half. What did Republicans do in six years to improve healthcare options and costs? This is an easy one, nothing!

    Now, what the hell did President Bush do in eight years “to get people off the government dependency and hand out lines”? Oh right. The ownership society. Hey how did that work out as regulatory oversight was stripped bare and the financial sector went insane?

    Now onto this: “You would think as a real leader he would bring jobs back to America and really put America back to work and find a way to shrink the deficit.”

    How many jobs did President Bush “bring back to America”? Outsourcing was the order of the day during the six years the Republicans had control of the Legislative and Executive branch. NO ONE can force companies to bring jobs back to America, especially when third world countries are paying people less than $5 per day to make the products you and I use everyday. Are you prepared to pay $800 to $1000 for an iPhone? Because I don’t think American workers are going to work for pennies a day.

    And finally this: “You would think if this guy was a real leader he would be honest about who he REALLY is, where he was born and stop playing up to his “black” side…”

    So not only do you drag out the ridiculous healthcare garbage, but you’re a birther as well?

    I guess I should have just stopped reading then, but honestly I needed a good laugh.

  108. 109 jezebel282

    Phin,

    Sorry, but I have to go with Cstrat on this one.

    “I would be willing to have him back -which I never thought I would say.”

    Honest to goodness, Phin, are you kidding? “Heckuva job, Brownie”?

    “I read the WHOLE thing) there will be no one left to pay for all his “bailouts”.”
    Cstrat is correct. The largest bailout by FAR was the one for the banks and AIG. No regulation at all, no oversight, no review, nothing. Just free money. In fact, Bank of America took their share plus $13 BILLION from AIG. By the way, after raising interest rates and going back to the casino with a new line of credit they are all profitable again.

    As for the automakers, we bought shares. We didn’t give them free money. They are either profitable or returning to profit now. When we sell those shares for a profit the return will be greater than any tax.

    “If he was a real leader he would be working to get people off the government dependency and hand out lines.”

    I am truly amazed at this one. What are you thinking? The only ones on hand-out lines are banks and corporations. In the meantime, Congress has been dicking around and the only lifeline for 17 million citizens has been cut off.

    As for other “hand-outs”, we will always have the disabled, impoverished, and elderly with us. Do we throw them off the cliff too?

    At this moment, a congressional conference committee is meeting to gut financial regulation. All the bad guys (Dodd, Grassley, Judd, Baucus) have gotten themselves on that committee. You will not see derivatives regulated, you will not see banks prohibited from taking your money to the casino, you will not see any scaling back of six financial firms who control 63% of our Gross Domestic Product. What you will see will be the unfettered and unregulated culture of trading paper and risk for the benefit of the ones who make the largest campaign contributions.

    “You would think as a real leader he would bring jobs back to America and really put America back to work and find a way to shrink the deficit.”

    There is only one way to do that and it can’t be done by a president alone. There is no longer any capital in capitalism. Our capital is spent on ridiculously high risk paper. It is not spent on real assets like equipment, buildings, parts, transportation, services, research or payrolls. No one on Wall Street bothers to read a business plan anymore. It’s too time consuming and the return is not as high as going to the casino. Particularly since any losses will be picked up by us. Back in the day, and I know you & I are old enough to remember, banks made their money by lending it to people and companies. Those days are gone.

    Here is a quick test: Look at your credit card statement. What is the interest rate? 14%, 22%, 28% or HIGHER? The banks borrow money from the Fed at ZERO per cent. If you were a bank, would you want to lend money at 28% or to a company to cover payroll and only make 6%?

    Even mortgages IF you can get one. Banks will hold your mortgage for maybe one day. Long enough to sell it to The FHA, Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. Of course, they will keep the points, fees and commissions. But all the risk is sold to the government.

    I just don’t understand this anger at one individual when the obvious fault lies with 450+ Representatives and 100 Senators.

    The funny part is that Obama has always been more conservative than either Clinton or McCain. He is not a left leaning socialist. He’s really not even a liberal. At the end of it all, he’s a wealthy lawyer/politician.

    There is plenty of anger to go around. It should be focused on those who perpetuate the the system that got us here in the first place: Guys like Mitch McConnell, John Kyl, John Boehner, Jim Demint and Chuck Grassly.

  109. 110 jezebel282

    Phin,

    Pssst…stop reading the Tea Party and Birther websites. They are bad for your brain.

  110. 111 jezebel282

    Phin,

    See what I mean? Where do Republicans come up with such ridiculous ideas? Do we have to tie up Congress, the EPA and probably the Whitehouse arguing about something so stupid?

    Alaska senator moves to strip EPA’s authority
    By the CNN Wire Staff
    June 10, 2010 4:32 a.m. EDT

    Washington (CNN) — The Senate on Thursday is expected vote on a “resolution of disapproval” by an Alaskan senator that would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from further regulating air pollution from vehicles and industrial facilities.

    Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, the author of the resolution, vowed Tuesday to strip the EPA of its authority to impose new limits on the emission of greenhouse gases.

  111. 112 sudds

    Hmm… I thought this website was supposed to be about STRATFORD???

    Let’s face it people… D’s… R’s… trained zebras… Vietnamese dwarf strippers… no matter who’s in Washington… (1) they are going to look after their own good and (2) there is nothing we can do about it (other than vote)!!!

    Let’s face it Bush and Obama BOTH suck royal-money-butt!!! Can we at least admit this much so that we can move forward???

  112. 113 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I thought this website was supposed to be about STRATFORD???”

    It is. I am sure there are readers that have a mortgage or are unemployed.

    “Can we at least admit this much”

    Yes.

  113. 114 mayor2013

    By the way, were there not people living in shelters during Bush’s time in office? Why didn’t he end poverty and unemployment during his 8 years in office? Oh yeah, how much work did Bush and the Republican majority do on health insurance, bankruptcy and foreclosure during their 6 years holding the reigns? And why didn’t he finish fighting those wars he started? He was supposed to be the “uniter” and the “decider.”

    OBAMA promised to fix all of the above, when elected!

  114. 115 mayor2013

    I am not at all convinced that Hillary would have done a better job. Not when 450+ Representatives and 100 Senators are more concerned with keeping their jobs than 17 million people who don’t have one.

    I am certain she would have done a 1000% better job. She had all of the experience, and the working relationship with Congress needed to get it done. She PAID HER DUES! She is the only star in is administration. If you are honest, you will agree with me on that one. But, I don’t care if you do or not – I know what I’m talking about. OBAMA doesn’t even know the meaning of the word, paying his dues. He was just so much in love with himself and thought everyone else was, which they were, only the love affair is going awry. Sadly, I only see everything getting worse.

    And, again, why hasn’t he taken over the oil spill? Where is his PLAN? He doesn’t have one. And what is he going to do when BP says “it’s all yours! I hope he is prepared – that day will be here soon.

  115. 116 sudds

    “OBAMA promised to fix all of the above, when elected!”

    How could he fix anything when his party didn’t have a filibuster-proof majority in the House AND the Senate???

    Oh wait…. 😯

  116. 117 sudds

    “But, I don’t care if you do or not – I know what I’m talking about.”

    Am I the only humble individual running for elected office???

  117. 118 jezebel282

    2013,

    “She had all of the experience, and the working relationship with Congress needed to get it done.”

    Agreed. Although it is arguable about her working relationship with Congress.

    Actually, I would have preferred a Yale graduate to a Harvard graduate. But it just didn’t happen this time. It was close, but Obama edged her out.

    It is clear that no one has a plan or the guts to either stop this BP fiasco or fix this economy. You can’t argue with people who aren’t even listening.

  118. 119 sudds

    “It is clear that no one has a plan or the guts to either stop this BP fiasco ”

    No one… EXCEPT for Kevin Costner!!! (note: did I REALLY just say Kevin Costner???)

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20392549,00.html

  119. 120 mayor2013

    I thought this website was supposed to be about STRATFORD???

    If you want to be elected; you better care about all issues. And, one of the biggest issue facing thousands of Stratfordites is unemployment and mortgage defaults and bankruptcy filings. Many residents do not have the $500+ they need to cough up for Mr. Harkins either. Did you know that Stratford has one of if not the highest INCREASE in municipal taxes for the upcoming fiscal year?????

    All of the other administrators made the unions come up with concessions and/or layoffs including teachers and school closings.

    Stratford’s increase is outrageous and not warranted. There was no planning? But, what do you expect with the staff he surrounds himself with. And, speaking of the Mayor, has anyone seen him around lately? I think he likes to just hide upstairs and bury his head in the SAND! Probably the main qualification in the Mayor’s job description.

    Can someone from the administration explain to me how Linda Loschaivo is on sick leave (stress) for a year? I thought unlimited sickleave had been abolished????

    Can you wake up enough John to find someone in your office to answer my question about her? And, her salary – the last time I looked at the budget I think it was around $63 to $65,000 not including her benefits.

  120. 121 mayor2013

    Oh, and Sudds,

    You need to learn about compassion. There are so many residents, suffering so much. Start your door knocking and spend some time talking to them. I AM!

  121. 122 sudds

    “If you want to be elected; you better care about all issues. And, one of the biggest issue facing thousands of Stratfordites is unemployment and mortgage defaults and bankruptcy filings.”

    I DO care about the issues… but unemployment is a much larger issue that can be dealt with by our Town Council!

    “Did you know that Stratford has one of if not the highest INCREASE in municipal taxes for the upcoming fiscal year?????”

    Ummm… were you not paying attention when I blasting the Council for passing such a stupid budget???

    “Stratford’s increase is outrageous and not warranted. There was no planning? ”

    Agreed… for instance… that allocation for the Arts Commission… 😛

  122. 123 sudds

    “You need to learn about compassion. There are so many residents, suffering so much.”

    WHY THE @#$% do you think I’m running??? Perhaps you missed the part about allow people to neuter me if I ever vote for budget INCREASE???

    PS… I can GUARANTEE you that it is NOT to help get increased funding for the Arts Commission!!!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    And I swear to God… if you mention anything about the Arts providing a “refuge” during people’s times of hardship…

    I will find you.. tie you up… pin your eyes open… and allow Mulligan to strip down naked while he explains ALL of his theories on WWII to you!!! 😛

  123. 124 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “times of hardship… ”

    Now THAT is the point. Next time you read the property transfers in the paper, understand that sales of homes to a bank or a bank to an individual (and there’s lots of them) are foreclosures. Lord knows how many of the other transfers are short sales. (The owner is selling the home for less than he owes). This is every day.

    This is something that Harkins, a real estate appraiser, certainly knows.

  124. 125 sudds

    “This is something that Harkins, a real estate appraiser, certainly knows.”

    BUT… was Adam Bauer also a real estate appraiser??? 😛

  125. 126 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Adam Bauer? I’m sure he still has to use his GPS to get around Stratford.

    Besides, they can only work with the numbers Sue Collier gives them. It’s not like they have an actual CFO, you know.

  126. 127 cstratct

    So sudds,

    Make sure when you’re cutting all the “unnecessary” programs and funding you include the beaches and ballfields, the golf course, the Brakettes and anything else that isn’t directly related to your myopic view of municipal government.

    Obviously you don’t like me so you feel the need to take petty shots like the one above. That certainly doesn’t say much for you as a “candidate” for anything, let alone town council.

    I’ll say this again: At least I have the courage to come on this site and post my comments without hiding anonymously behind a screen name. Jezebel and I may disagree about some aspects of municipal government, but for the most part the discourse doesn’t devolve into pettiness. You on the other hand can’t help yourself. Rather then engage in constructive discourse you choose to make snide or snarky comments that are feeble (and failed) attempts at humor.

  127. 128 cstratct

    And as for this: “How could he fix anything when his party didn’t have a filibuster-proof majority in the House AND the Senate??? Oh wait.”

    Perhaps it is because the Democratic Party doesn’t have “purity” test and actually respects the differences among its members. Unlike a Republican party that is being increasingly taken over by religious elements who demand blind adherence to their warped and myopic world view.

    A perfect example: John McCain. You remember him, the “maverick” who Independents and centrists loved a couple years ago who has now renounced his “maverick” status (going so far as to say he never endorsed that term) and has twisted himself inside out to return to the good graces of the Republican zealots leading the party off a cliff. Should we count the number of issues he has reversed himself on in order to “appeal” to the hard right? Could you even count them on both hands?

  128. 129 sudds

    “Make sure when you’re cutting all the “unnecessary” programs and funding you include the beaches and ballfields, the golf course, the Brakettes and anything else that isn’t directly related to your myopic view of municipal government.”

    You’d probably be amazed at what I cut!!! 😛

    Sidenote: the golf course more than pays for itself!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “Obviously you don’t like me”

    Nothing could be further from the truth (heck, I don’t even know ya)… and (SHOCKER!) I even have attended a few of the events that your little clan has put on! I just don’t like the fact that (a) you whine about people being unemployed, and yet (b) your little group has no problem lining its pockets with (even more) tax dollars! If I promise to double the budget for the Arts Commission… will you vote for me???

    My main concern/question/issue is that perhaps increasing the hand-out to your clan just enables you guys to be lazy. If your funding was cut (instead of increased) would (1) you pack up and close ship or (2) would it cause you guys (and gals.. relax Jez) to work a little harder to secure additional sources of funding? I’m guessing you’d somehow work out option (2)!!!

    Now extrapolate that out to various other “organizations” in town… and wa-la… tax CUT!!!

  129. 130 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “You’d probably be amazed at what I cut!!!”

    You may run into the same problem I did. They make it really difficult for avatars to run for office.

  130. 131 phineast

    CT- re post #108-you can stuff it up your mironista azz.
    you are NOT the only one ENTITLED to an OPINION.
    so bugger off.

    If you really want to go back to when the problems began financially look to your boy Billy Clinton. It was his administration that not only forced the NAFTA bullsh!t but they also created the issues with the mortgage situation using the pretense of helping the less fortunate into home ownership by giving them mortgages they couldn’t afford. That is the royal beginning of the end.
    Every administration has had issues be it democratic or republican. I was specifically speaking of Obama in my post.
    So if you are going to condemn my opinions and act like a bi-atch you just go ahead-but remember not everyone agrees with spending a gazillion dollars on the arts. I happen to like the arts but not necessarily the opinions and positions of the people that work in the arts. Many are pompass arrogant jerks that think they are the only ones worthy enough to have an opinion…. In my post I didn’t condemn your opinion, I just stated my own. I now understand why so many people dislike you, you sound like those pompass arrogant jerks in your posts….. oh and CT last time I looked- you have a screen name like everyone else or have you made this your new legal name??????

    Jez-
    I don’t read tea party sites.
    As I said- I didn’t agree with a lot of what Bush did at the end.
    That includes the AIG Bailout–what Obama did was add insult to injury and continues to insult the people of this country and I happen to find that behavior distasteful and offensive. Just like I found Miron to be offensive, distasteful, dishonest and unethical for starters….good ole’ CT worshiped the guy….
    Is Obama still a lawyer? I’m sot so sure he ever really was.
    What I am sure of is that there is not one single person in Washington that actually represents the people that put them there. I also don’t think that any of them are honest. I also don’t think any of them really know what they are doing beyond how they can increase they own bank accounts and bankrupt ours-and that is on both sides of the isle. It is my opinion and you don’t have to like it or agree with it or even read it. Jez- at least you aren’t obnoxious to people like good ole’ “I know everything about everything” CT is. Becareful if you start agreeing with CT too much you will be voting for Miron for senate……. ;P

  131. 132 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “As I said- I didn’t agree with a lot of what Bush did at the end.”

    I partially agree with you. I don’t like what he did in the beginning and middle either.

    “what Obama did was add insult to injury and continues to insult the people of this country and I happen to find that behavior distasteful and offensive.”

    I not clear on what you mean by that. Personally, I find it refreshing to listen to someone talking to me as if I were an adult and can tie my own shoes. That is not to say I am pleased with what Obama has (not) done. A lot less coddling of banks and insurance companies would be in order. However, everyone should have known that he was more conservative than Clinton. He said so numerous times.

    “Is Obama still a lawyer? I’m sot so sure he ever really was.”
    LOL! C’mon, now Phin. Don’t be like that. You don’t make it through Harvard Law without learning something about the law. Even Miron somehow got to be a lawyer. (Now there’s a mystery).

    Is he still a lawyer? Does it matter? He runs the Justice Department.

    “they also created the issues with the mortgage situation using the pretense of helping the less fortunate into home ownership by giving them mortgages they couldn’t afford.”
    Whoa there, Phin buddy. There was a lot more to it than that. Remember “Redlining”? Remember whole neighborhoods deteriorating and burning to the ground? Remember 17% mortgages?
    Now, did some very clever people with Wharton degrees figure out that they can keep all the profit and transfer all the risk to us? You betcha. In fact, they had started to do the same thing a couple of years ago with student loans. They would write the loans and resell them to Sallie Mae. Keeping the profits and assigning the risk to us. Obama stopped that, by the way.
    Once again, when the SEC, Treasury and Fed employees started seeing billboards and TV ads that said “Need a mortgage? No Credit? No Problem!” someone should have started wondering.

    “What I am sure of is that there is not one single person in Washington that actually represents the people that put them there.”

    I agree completely. Although Rep Alan Grayson (D-FL) looks very promising.

    “Jez- at least you aren’t obnoxious to people”

    Actually, I don’t do well with liars and thieves. I can be plenty obnoxious to them.

    “Becareful if you start agreeing with CT too much”

    LOL! Oh, Cstrat and I disagree plenty…and often. But once outside the Town borders we do share a lot of common ground.

    “you will be voting for Miron for senate”

    Relax. Not much chance of THAT happening.

  132. 133 1george1

    Jeze,
    I think you would admit that you were extremely obnoxious when
    Miron was Mayor and still have your moments. 😉

    It is enjoyable reading political beliefs of national and economic
    issues particularly by Jeze, Chris, and Sudds.

    They are obviously very intelligent.

    Whole sections of information and be proven or disproven based
    on accepted foundations.

    The questions I raise:
    1 – Are certain foundations of beliefs based on intentional lies?
    2 – Are certain beliefs no longer true, because of error?
    3 – Do people have motive to lie and perpetuate lies?
    4 – Can people teach or report what they believe to be true
    (Newsweek derides it as “Conventional Wisdom”) when there
    were intentional or unintentional untruths built into foundations
    which teachers and reporters accepted to be true?

    This can apply to Rabbis, Priests, Ministers, Intelligence Community,
    Elected, Appointed, ie virtually everyone.

    [_] [_] < Those are my packed bags, expecting to be moved, 😦
    despite the fact I am commenting directly on the finreg posts. 🙂

  133. 134 1george1

    Jeze / Sudds / Chris / Phin / Mayor / Rex

    Hypothetically, under U. S. CONSTITUTION Article 1 Section 5
    > Which allows SECRECY in GOVERNMENT which the GOVERNMENT
    deems appropriate …..

    Is it totally impossible the U S Constitution was created by ROYALS
    PRIMOGENITOR and RELATIVES as a shell, such as found in European
    Governments, where PEERS and COMMONS represent elites’ interests?

    Is it totally impossible the U S goveernment has always had an inner
    party controlling people who would be vulnerable if THEIR SECRETS
    were EXPOSED?
    Combine OMERTA + BLUE WALL + SECRET SOCIETIES + GOVERNMENT
    SECRET CLASSIFICATIONS, and the results are –
    > Only a FEW PEOPLE know the WHOLE TRUTH?
    > Many Left Hands don’t know what the Right Hands are doing?
    > Many Right Hands don’t know what the Left Hands are doing?
    > Many Left + Right Hands don’t know what their controllers are doing?
    > Many Secret society people don’t know there are others harming
    them and their families? (Examples: Drugs, Alcohol, war dead/maimed.)

    Years ago I hung around Westport.
    I found certain “intellectuals” were having fun at my expense.
    Some of the things I exposed to their group had them become
    aware of self destructive Alcohol / Drug issues, their own people
    created and were perpetuating.

    Some intellectuals aren’t as smart as they think they are, are they?

  134. 135 jezebel282

    George,

    “They are obviously very intelligent.”

    You may be 2/3 right. I make no such claim.

  135. 136 cstratct

    Sudds,

    In your last post you stated this:

    “I even have attended a few of the events that your little clan has put on! I just don’t like the fact that (a) you whine about people being unemployed, and yet (b) your little group has no problem lining its pockets with (even more) tax dollars! If I promise to double the budget for the Arts Commission… will you vote for me???

    My main concern/question/issue is that perhaps increasing the hand-out to your clan just enables you guys to be lazy. If your funding was cut (instead of increased) would (1) you pack up and close ship or (2) would it cause you guys (and gals.. relax Jez) to work a little harder to secure additional sources of funding? I’m guessing you’d somehow work out option (2)!!!”

    Now, first off it’s not a “little clan.” It is a town commission which (like many other town commissions) is charged with “promotion, development and acceptance of artistic and cultural activities, which shall include, but are not limited to, music, theater, dance, painting, sculpture, architecture, literature, films and allied arts and crafts.” That’s language directly from the town charter. I have no idea what you’re talking about with regard to the “whine about people being unemployed.” What has that got to do with the Arts Commission? And who exactly are you accusing of lining their pockets? No one on the commission is paid, we’re all volunteers like many, many other residents who dedicate their time to various commissions. As for the Arts Commission budget, it has been reduced over time, and as I’ve said several times both the festival and the revitalization of the theatre should not be reliant on only public dollars.

    And by the way, I don’t vote for people I don’t know, regardless of their promises or pledges.

    Since I assume you’ve never been to an Arts Commission meeting, I also assume you have little knowledge of just what the Arts Commission does with respect to the festival or what it takes to bring it all together. I understand your point, but it appears you fail to accept the fact that the Arts Commission budget has been reduced over time so your “#2 option” is already at work.

  136. 137 cstratct

    Phin,

    LOL! Wow, I really got under your skin with that post didn’t I?

    I was posting a response to a post from mayor2013, you responded to my post with your rant (opinion), and I responded with my opinion. Isn’t that what boards like this are about? The free exchange of ideas? Now where in post #108 did I say you weren’t entitled to your opinion?

    The answer is nowhere. I never said you weren’t entitled to your opinion, I was just refuting the baseless claims you chose to throw out on this forum as if they were undisputed fact.

    You went on your birther, tea party tirade and I chose to refute certain portions that I found particularly ridiculous or meritless. Honestly, some parts of your post were simply laughable (in my opinion).

    Now it’s time to once again correct your historical inaccuracies.

    You stated: “If you really want to go back to when the problems began financially look to your boy Billy Clinton. It was his administration that not only forced the NAFTA bullsh!t …”

    Um, not even close. Here’s the truth: “Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation’s legislative or parliamentary branch.”

    FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 575
    BILL TITLE: NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT

    Democratic – Ayes – 102 Noes – 156
    Republican – Ayes – 132 Noes – 43

    Some notable Republican Ayes – Gingrich, Hastert, Armey…well you get the idea.

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml

    So would you like to amend your statement about President Clinton forcing NAFTA?

    You can take shots at me all you want and call me names. It doesn’t change the fact that your “opinions” are full of inaccuracies and flat out false statements. I get it that you don’t like being called to account, but at least be willing to accept facts when they’re presented to you and admit when you’ve misspoken.

  137. 138 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Wow, I really got under your skin with that post didn’t I?”

    It’s a talent you have. Try to use it for Good and not Evil.

    Here is my question: During all those years leading up to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, I do not recall a single leader of ANY party warning us that the house of cards was going to fall. Not a single one.

    Oh, we had some one off doozies of American greed all right. Enron, Tyco, Worldcomm, Adelphi….but those were “isolated” instances of pure greed and theft. So much so that investigators had no choice but to do what they are paid to do. Nothing on the grand scale of bringing the entire U.S. economy to its knees.

    Where were our political leaders? Who warned us of this? And where are they now? Who is leading the charge against the people who destroyed 17 Million jobs and Lord knows how many foreclosures?

  138. 139 cstratct

    Well Jezebel I’m sure everyone posting here has the same ability from time to time. And I’ve certainly never been “evil” or attacked anyone. I’ve been called a lot of names but been very restrained in my responses.

    Now as for your question (questions really), they are all worthwhile and I don’t know that anyone has answers that would be satisfactory to you or anyone else.

    I don’t agree with your conclusion that your examples are “isolated” instances. I think they were endemic of the bigger issue which you yourself identified, namely greed. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the CA energy traders talking about how they were stealing from “grandma.” You hit on some of the big ones, but there were plenty of other examples (Tenet Healthcare comes readily to mind).

    One problem I see (again, strictly my opinion) is that government is often reactive rather than proactive. Congress is usually writing laws to catch up or prevent a future occurrence of something that has already happened. Rarely are laws written that address “what could be” scenarios. But that’s really the regulation-deregulation argument, isn’t it? Many people believe that the “flexibility” in the market is what leads to innovation and advancement. That may be true where physical goods are concerned, but when we’re talking about financial “products” and stuff that is on paper, there seems to be lots of excess risk-taking that is deliberately manipulated and meant to obfuscate. There are a lot of very smart people who can’t untangle some of the garbage that has infiltrated the financial markets.

    There’s plenty of blame to go around (for both parties) with respect to the financial collapse. The Democrats don’t get any more of a pass then the Republicans. But I’m not certain many of them even knew what was going on out there in the stock market version of the wild, wild west.

  139. 140 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    “Here is my question: During all those years leading up to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, I do not recall a single leader of ANY party warning us that the house of cards was going to fall. Not a single one.”

  140. 141 jezebel282

    Ron,

    I guess the moral of the story is stay off of Fox News if you want to be taken seriously?

  141. 142 1george1

    Ron

    The barn has burned down and they are now closing the doors,
    so that others can not do, what they have done.
    Every few years the cycles repeat.

    Jeze is off base attacking Chris, who means well, but happened
    to have a similar view as Jim Miron’s position on the Hanney deal.
    As much as Jeze hates the Mirons (with cause) they are not always
    wrong in their positions, which serve political purposes.

    Jeze is correct about the rest of the post, about the
    “Silence of the Lambs” or maybe it was the “Silence of the Wolves?”

    Jeze, think about how your beloved Gavin and others have NEVER
    spoken out about the HEALTH CARE and PENSIONS they voted for
    or participated in.

    What CONN MEN tells you in advance that “We are going to ROB YOU,
    of EVERYTHING you own and use the LAW and SYSTEM to do it?”

    Stratford TAX Mil Rate could be under 20 Mils:
    1) Defined Contribution Pension Plan always in place
    2) Healthcare at national average $ 12,000 with 30 % premium
    3) AVCO transitioned 1988 – 1992 with over 10,000 good jobs.
    4) RAYMARK + DUMPSITES cleaned by Y2K
    5) Shakespeare Theater transitioned in 1980s
    6) Sikorsky near 14,000 full capacity OR subdivided
    7) Prompt replacement to optimized capacity: Dictaphone; Dianon;
    Mobile Chemical; Town Fair complex made 3 -4 stories; 2nd RR Station
    with responsible EPA;
    8) Redevelopment of Brownfield businesses
    9) Turn Brownfield issues into Cash cows.

    If the secret societies had any intelligence within them they would have
    realized they were all being played and whatever benefit they derived
    were short term crumbs, while they betrayed the country and future!

  142. 143 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze is off base attacking Chris,”

    Now, now. Put your cattle prod away. I did not attack Cstrat. I know it, he knows it and you know it.

  143. 144 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze, think about how your beloved Gavin ”

    Any rumors that Gavin and I are dating or seeing each other are totally untrue.

  144. 145 cstratct

    I don’t believe I was attacked by Jezebel. I think the word is thrown around too easily here and elsewhere. An “attack” as I see is a personal insult, name calling or unfounded accusations taken as proven fact.

    As I said I’m not “evil” and have tried to be very restrained here regardless of the personal invective on display from others.

    There is a difference between an attack and a rebuttal. My responses to Phin were rebuttals. Phin didn’t like the rebuttal or I suspect the dismissive tone. Oh well. I have a hard time taking people seriously when they trot out the birther nonsense and they present information that has no basis in reality (for example, Clinton and NAFTA or Obama and the bailouts).

  145. 146 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “One problem I see (again, strictly my opinion) is that government is often reactive rather than proactive.”

    That would be how I would think if I didn’t know that, for instance, Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) happens to own $1 Million worth of shares in Berkshire Hathaway, one of the world’s largest traders of derivatives.
    Bloomberg
    Ben Nelson, Wife Own as Much as $6 Million in Berkshire Stock
    April 27, 2010, 6:26 PM EDT
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-27/ben-nelson-wife-own-as-much-as-6-million-in-berkshire-stock.html

    And (no surprise here) he also sits on the Senate Financial Services and General Government Committee.

    Now, what incentive would he possibly have to make sure Berkshire Hathaway continues to trade derivatives without regulation?

  146. 147 1george1

    If being called evil is not an attack as I read it – I have no issue.

    I do not have a cattle prod.
    I am not sure what one looks like.
    Based on the biblical jezebel’s reputation,
    maybe you have a collection?

    If I had raised the equipment issue, others
    might feel it to be insensitive?

    If a cattle prod is a tool the EMS could some
    how use, then maybe your hero Gavin might
    find a constructive use for it?

    In a limited way I do liken Gavin to heroism for
    his EMS stuff.
    He and Calzone and Best(s) have saved lives.

    The political decisions they make, mostly offend
    my sense of fairness.

    Beefy was right about each succeeding Town Council
    as being the worst one yet. 😦

  147. 148 cstratct

    But Jezebel, Ben Nelson is one person. He can’t singlehandedly pass or kill legislation. Unless you’re suggesting there is some sort of conspir…oh boy. 🙂

    Anyway, Berkshire Hathaway may hold derivatives, but I don’t think the company should be viewed in the same way as the financial services companies (WaMu, Shearson, Bank of America, Fannie and Freddie MAC, etc.).

    It is a tangled web no doubt.

    George, I appreciate your comments. I didn’t take Jezebel’s comment as suggesting I was “evil” but I can see how you and others might interpret it that way. It was an off-hand remark but I don’t believe there was malicious intent. Now Phin’s comments, well that’s a bird of a different feather.

  148. 149 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Unless you’re suggesting there is some sort of conspir…oh boy.”
    Not me. I leave that to professionals. Like George.

    No, it’s just simple greed, ego and of course, power. These people actually think they’ve been put there by the Hand of God, not our votes.

    Even favorites like Jim Himes (D-CT).
    “If the President wants passage of proposals including money to prevent teacher layoffs and an extension of Medicaid help to states, he needs to convince wary Democrats who are focused on re-election. Many Americans are troubled by the growing deficit and, as a result, so are many lawmakers. It’s not just the fiscally conservative “Blue Dogs” complaining. Democrats like Jim Himes and Chris Murphy of Connecticut are speaking against the back to back proposals full of deficit spending.”
    http://www.capitolnewsconnection.org/node/14837

    Here’s a guy that suddenly, when it comes to unemployed constituents, is worried about the deficit. No such problem when the banks need free money that they continue to hoard.

    In the end, it’s not about the Tea Party, Republicans or Democrats. It comes down to us. You, me and anybody else reading this. And we have been abandoned by the people we have put our faith in. At every level. There is just no other way to say it.

  149. 150 phineast

    CT- “got under your skin a little”… no- you just pissed me off. I agree with Jez that you do indeed have a talent for doing that to people, intended or not. I will leave the “misspeaking” to Blumenthol. Just so you know- I NEVER said Bush was a real leader and I’m talking about both of them-and I never thought I would wish he was in office, but compared to Barack-I am sad to say I would take a BUSH and I am gagging as I say that..
    You may not agree with my NAFTA comment-but it was signed into law under Clinton and it was one of his big agenda pushes after the election. His version was supposed to protect the US worker-but unfortunately that part of the bill was out sourced to India..j/k. Both the R’s and the D’s had their hands all over NAFTA and it’s creation but it WAS pushed for implementation under Clinton’s administration policies-you can put your roll call claws away.. You can spout links from here to China and back, but the fact remains it was pushed into law under Clinton-it was voted into law by both republicans and democrats alike and it was a high profile talk point under both Bush and Clinton but only became active under Clinton.
    Bush didn’t promise the promises that Barack did-don’t promise what you can’t deliver.
    FYI- I am not a tea partier or a birther(to put me in a category with Palin is pretty low)-but as American citizen I feel we have the right to full disclosure about the President/vice President or anyone who is running for president/ vice president’s background. I want to see the proof that they went to the schools they say they went to, and where they were borne. I want to know what kind of student they were, how they performed in and out of school, I want to know who paid for their schools. I want to know where they worship and what they worship-it has to do with determining if they have a value system that is representative of mine. Since the computer age, I feel it is my responsibility to try and find these type of details out and verify them BEFORE I cast a vote. I don’t “blindly pull a party line vote, never have and I never will. Obama made a lot of promises to people during his campaign and what I was pointing out is that he has FAILED. I wasn’t speaking about any other presidents or even his party-just him. Bush was a blathering idiot by the end of his presidency and was nothing to write home about in the beginning-but you knew the details-good, bad and ugly as they were. The Obama presidency to date in my book is up there with the failed presidencies of LBJ and FORD……
    If my views as a non teatotaler or birther have similarities to those people it only means these are questions and feelings on a lot of people’s minds not just within those groups.
    You stated in one of your above posts that you “don’t vote for people you don’t know”…..so does that mean that Barack is your buddy like Miron was? j/k Any one that goes to a voting booth, casts votes for people that they don’t know. We(hopefully) try to find out as much as possible about them both as a person and what they stand for or claim they stand for as well as who they surround themselves with. It is part of the decision making process. If you can’t get information about someone because they have “chosen” to have it sealed or what ever they do, it means to me there is a reason to keep digging because only people that have something to hide do that. If you think it’s ok to hide things from the voters that are pertinent to the person’s character or values, I feel sorry for you, because that is one of the biggest things that creates distrust, that and of course, lies.
    Just to make it official-it wasn’t the information you presented that was the issue-it was the pompous, arrogant, obnoxious and yes, dismissive tone that you use on a regular basis to myself and others, and it is really too bad because I suspect you could be interesting to talk to but I am not into masochism. So I will be passing from here on out.
    My intention in my response both times was never meant to be malicious-the first was to express frustration with the chief elected official. The second was also borne of frustration, I was sick and tired of how you think you can condescend to people. I gave you a taste of nasty because that is what you gave to me.
    Interesting that Jez was able to disagree with me with out the nasty-doesn’t mean that I agree with Jez-but last I checked this is still America so I am entitled to my opinion as are you.
    So CT, you and I will have to agree to disagree, and the only thing I will apologize to you for is using the bi-atch phrase-shouldn’t have done that. I am a bird of a different feather after all..
    Remember—You thought that everything that was said about Miron was rhetoric and garbage as well….is that an ostrich feather I see on your hat??…j/k. Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 😉

  150. 151 phineast

    Ron- Great piece on Peter Schiff!

    Jez- What I meant by insult to injury is that we had already been zapped by the previous administration in bailouts-it was just throwing away money to executives(my opinion) that was never going to get to where it was needed.
    As far as how to fix health care- you have to fix the insurance companies first-they are broken. You need tort reform, that system is broken. You need medicaid reform. Once you have done that you just might see a slight decline in medical costs. That is where it needs to begin. You can’t control costs unless you can control the above first. That is the starting point in my opinion.

  151. 152 cstratct

    Phin,

    Once again, I NEVER said you weren’t entitled to your opinion.

    As for this: “as American citizen I feel we have the right to full disclosure about the President/vice President or anyone who is running for president/ vice president’s background. I want to see the proof that they went to the schools they say they went to, and where they were borne. I want to know what kind of student they were, how they performed in and out of school, I want to know who paid for their schools. I want to know where they worship and what they worship-it has to do with determining if they have a value system that is representative of mine.”

    Tell me, have you asked to see (or have you seen) the birth certificates of every individual running for President in the past? When has that EVER been questioned of any Presidential candidate prior to President Obama? If you answer the question honestly I think you’ll find that the answer is not in our lifetime, and I’ve never heard of it being asked of any candidate throughout history. Now why is that exactly? What is it about President Obama that you find so threatening or objectionable that you feel the need to question the status of his citizenship? Think back. How were the seeds of your distrust sown?

    As for “what and where” an individual worships, last time I checked this country didn’t have a litmus test for religion. You may have a preference, but religious affiliation doesn’t exclude ANYONE from being elected President.

    Finally this: “Any one that goes to a voting booth, casts votes for people that they don’t know.”

    Voting for someone you don’t know but have information about is one thing. That is completely different from an anonymous poster who insults and demeans others and who posts a comment like this: “If I promise to double the budget for the Arts Commission… will you vote for me???”

    My response was to this comment only, so all your bloviating about Miron and not knowing candidates has NOTHING to do with the genesis of the comment to which you referred.

    Finally, you should remember that you CHOSE to enter into the conversation on this particular topic. No one forced you to post your comments and in fact you chose to jump in even though my comment was actually a response to a post from mayor2013. You have an opinion just like everyone else here (including me), and your rhetoric is no less “pompous, arrogant, obnoxious and yes, dismissive.” The difference is I didn’t resort to name calling and nasty, insulting language.

  152. 153 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    In the same post you asked.

    ” Where were our political leaders? Who warned us of this? And where are they now? ”

    Peter Shiff lives right here in Connecticut.

    http://schiffforsenate.com/?q=about

  153. 154 phineast

    Ct- actually you did resort to it-which is why I gave it back to you.
    In my original comment I never demeaned your opinion-just reminded you of the fact that others have them too and gave my own. You chose to make snide and demeaning comments. Gave it right back to you. Just as you “JUMP” into conversations so do the rest of us….
    Jez is totally correct-it is just in your nature.
    Why did I want to see the proof that Obama was born here? Because for the first time in the history of this nation we have someone that quite possibly was not born here as president-I questioned it during the campaign. If that is the case it is not legal-OBAMA is not above the law. This is the same guy that is multiracial-but only acknowledges the one half of his heritage. It is also the same guy that has done some world traveling in his younger years to places that US citizens weren’t allowed to go to. It is well documented and has been for a long time that he went to these places but the one detail that has been deliberately omitted is how did he get in if US citizens weren’t allowed to go there? It is not like he was a member of a diplomatic corp-he was a very young man at the time…..Hopefully that answers your question as to WHY I wanted to know more about OBAMA-I have questioned these things since he began his run for office and still haven’t gotten any answers other than for people like you to invalidate the question as rhetoric. It is just a question about one person-but ultimately it does lead to much greater questions about the people that assist in obstructing the public from getting the true answers. Every American should demand the answers for 2 reasons-first we have the right to know and second to put it to rest–if there is nothing to hide then why is it such a big deal to get the answer??????
    My reference to Miron in the discussion an inference about personal judgment. That is all, I just was pointing out that all the things on a local level you were screaming about being political rhetoric and innuendo were actually true-now we are discussing things about a higher level of government and you are doing the same thing….It’s ok, though, you have your opinion and I have my opinion AND my questions.

  154. 155 jezebel282

    Ron,

    I’m not disagreeing with you about Peter Schiff’s correctness of the coming disaster. Having watched the videos, it was clear to me that he received the Fox News “Treatment” after almost every statement. Instead of arguing the points he was met with sneers, derision and name-calling.

    I do disagree with him a bit when he blames the people who jumped at the chance to own a home. The sub prime market was a sea of sharks and alligators (mixed metaphor?) waiting for the next victim to walk by the water’s edge.

    Mortgage brokers and banks were not checking income, credit history or anything else. In some cases, they were just making up the applications themselves. They knew they could resell whatever mortgage they wrote within minutes and walk away forever with a very tidy commission.

  155. 156 cstratct

    Phin,

    The answers with respect to President Obama’s birth have been answered. The information has been provided. Obviously some people don’t like the proof being provided.

    A certification of live birth has been provided for all to see:

    That should be the end of it but no, for some this still isn’t sufficient. If the actual birth certificate were provided there would be people saying it was forged. It’s a completely senseless argument that has been debunked.

    It’s like proving the existence of God. I can’t prove that he doesn’t exist and you can prove that he does. No matter what “evidence” either of us trots out neither is going to change the other person’s mind. (By the way I’m not an athiest, I’m just using this as an example).

    You claimed President Obama was responsible for the bailouts, that is factually inaccurate. You argued President Clinton was responsible for NAFTA, again factually inaccurate. President Bush (the elder) actually negotiated and signed NAFTA. More Republicans then Democrats voted for it, and while it was both parties who ultimately approved of the agreement, Republicans are far more likely to support “free trade” agreements and “open markets.”

    And by the way, since you’ve never met me you know NOTHING about my nature, so how about sticking to the issues being discussed instead of acting like you know anything about me or my nature.

    Finally, my comments were related to your statements, not you as an individual. I NEVER said you were ridiculous. Yes, I dismissed your conclusions because I believe they are based on faulty premises, many of which I refuted along with Jezebel. Sorry to drag you into this Jezebel, but we tend to find agreement on national issues pretty regularly, and this particular topic was no exception.

  156. 157 cstratct

    Jezebel, don’t forget President Bush’s (the younger) “ownership society.” The Republicans were fully on board as President Bush was touting the dream of every American owning a home. No one (at least in government) was saying this was a bad idea or that some people probably couldn’t afford it. For 6 years Republicans looked the other way as storm clouds gathered. Mr. Schiff may have been correct about every aspect of this situation and it’s a shame people weren’t paying attention. But the idea of home ownership was being championed by President Bush for years on end. They encouraged everyone to spend their way out of the earlier recession, and what better way then to manipulate the credit markets so that credit was easy to get in large quantities.

  157. 158 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Sorry to drag you into this Jezebel”

    Oh, that’s OK. You wouldn’t believe the places that I’ve been dragged.

  158. 159 cstratct

    Okay, I couldn’t pass up posting this little nugget.

    President Hosts Conference on Minority Homeownership

    http://www.policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/archive/wh_minority_housing.shtml

    White House, Office of the Press Secretary
    October 15, 2002

    Now here’s the most “interesting” part of this release:

    “America’s Homeownership Challenge

    Since the President’s call to action in June, private and nonprofit partners in the real estate and mortgage finance industries have been working with the Department of Housing and Urban Development to increase minority homeownership. Commitments made by these partners include:

    Substantially increasing, by at least $440 billion, the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market specifically targeted toward the minority market.

    Aggressively developing new mortgage products so that conventional market alternatives are available to combat the predatory loan products that are disproportionately targeted to minorities;

    Creating new mortgage products to meet the unique needs of recent immigrants;”

    Hmmm, well according to this release from President Bush’s Press Secretary the mortgage companies did EXACTLY what the President was hoping they would do.

    Anyone care to tell us again how the Fannie and Freddie debacle was caused by the Democrats? President Bush proposed increasing the federal government’s commitment by $440 BILLION. More than half what it cost to bailout the sector after the house of cards fell.

    Wow, the stuff you’ll find in Internet archives.

  159. 160 jezebel282

    CStrat,

    Now, you see? Rubbing it in tends to irritate people.

    Now what will happen is that the Republicans will blame poor people because they were mentioned.

  160. 161 jezebel282

    Whew!

    At least we saved the bankers and health insurance companies. That was close!

    Amid deficit worries, Dems trim unemployment bill

    By ANDREW TAYLOR (AP) – 2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON — Virtually certain of losing a showdown vote in the Senate, Democrats frustrated in their quest to extend jobless benefits and help for doctors facing Medicare payment cuts are scaling back a catchall tax and spending bill.

    Anxiety over record budget deficits is fueling the moves, which include rolling back last year’s $25 a week increase in unemployment checks and giving doctors just a short reprieve from scheduled cuts in their Medicare payments.

    Really? Cutting $25/week from all of the unemployed? Are they buying too much milk with that extra money? According to the Securities and Exchange Commission in 2009, Exxon Mobil had a profit of over $160 BILLION. Exxon Mobil also had a tax REFUND of $156 million for that year.

    In addition for all of those companies large and small that laid off employees like falling leaves in October, not one single unemployment Insurance premium was raised.

    It is absolutely astounding that any elected official, even a Republican, would come up with the thought that the best way to reduce the deficit is to cut unemployment compensation for anyone receiving it and eliminate it entirely for the majority during the worst recession in 70 years.

    Get ready for tidal waves of foreclosures.

  161. 162 phineast

    Jez- I would say “irritate” is too mild a term…… 😉

    CT- for the record NAFTA was signed into law Dec. 8, 1993 by none other than …Clinton.
    Bush #1 would have signed it but was out of office before he could do it.
    As I said before both parties had their hands all over this-and both parties underestimated the greed of people which allowed and created the consequences of the mass exodus of jobs from America. It was not the only factor but it was probably one of the largest contributing factors.

    By the way CT-feel free to “Wickipedia” the date-you won’t find a re-write of history(Obama hasn’t read it yet…j/k)

  162. 163 jezebel282

    Phin, Cstrat,

    Seriously, you’re arguing about the North American Free Trade Agreement? You guys don’t like Canadians, eh?

  163. 164 1george1

    Chris,
    I have to concur you have a talent for ticking off readers, including
    me, when you misinterpreted something I wrote in the past.

    I conceed:
    1 – I am easy to misinterpret.
    2 – I tick off more people than you.
    3 – Phin, Jeze, and others can also tick off people.
    4 – No one has a monopoly on wisdom, nor right to be wrong.

    Jeze,
    Are you writing NO conspiracies ever existed?

    You disagree with ANY conspiracies I suggest exist?
    (even when Organizations have names? Mafia; KKK, KofC; Apac;
    Police Union; Fire Union; Postal Union; Bloods; Crips; Masons;
    Shriners; Democrats; Republicans; Military; Trade Unions;
    Lobbyists; Gangs; War Colleges; Intelligence Community;)

    Conspiracies can accomplish good thinks, yet have criminal
    connotation.

    Jeze, I note you wrote about rewriting history.
    Isn’t that called REVISION?
    What is the NAME of YOUR BLOG?

  164. 166 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    I’m not arguing NAFTA, I’m simply pointing out the misrepresentation of the facts regarding NAFTA and trying to set the record straight. I presented actual facts, as opposed to this rhetorical flourish: “If you really want to go back to when the problems began financially look to your boy Billy Clinton. It was his administration that not only forced the NAFTA bullsh!t . . .” Yes, President Clinton could have vetoed the agreement after Congress ratified it, but I can only imagine what Gingrich, Armey and others would have said had that been the case.

    I did the same thing with the mortgage crisis and the financial meltdown. As you and I pointed out, the bailout of the financial sector occurred before President Obama took office. The GM and Chrysler deals weren’t bailouts so much as investments, and as you accurately point out the government may actually realize a profit on that investment, not to mention saving thousands of jobs that would never have come back had we let GM fail.

    The Clinton diatribes are very similar in tone to what is happening with President Obama. It appears that in many cases those that dislike him are simply opposed to the individual rather then the policies. When people question the citizenship and patriotism of the chief executive it makes me curious as to the underlying motives of the individuals raising the issues. I may not have agreed with many of President Bush’s policies but I never questioned his patriotism. Although there were many who were quick to brand those opposed to the war in Iraq as unpatriotic.

    The oil disaster is unprecedented and was set in motion long before President Obama took office. And I’m not saying that to blame anyone. It was a policy/fiscal decision to allow deep water drilling, and no one inside or outside the industry really has the knowledge to deal with this type of situation because it has never been experienced before. Should there have been more safeguards in place and better regulation? Sure, but hindsight is 20/20. What are we going to do moving forward to make sure this type of disaster doesn’t happen again? Perhaps we should be thinking about that instead of blaming President Obama for not “fixing” the problem when the best industry experts can’t figure out how to stop it.

  165. 167 cstratct

    And to all those “ticked off” by my comments, all I can say is . . .get over it.

    You let yourself be affected by the comments just as I let certain comments get the better of me. Don’t blame someone else’s comments for your anger or personal offense. This is a website with a lot of people who post strong opinions.

    It seems that what really upsets some of you is that my opinions differ in both content and tone. For the most part I’ve tried to pull my punches when the insults or comments have become personal. I’ve had lapses just like everyone else. I single out comments as ridiculous, foolish, inane (insert other adjectives here), but I rarely if ever refer to the individual as such. If you read my comments closely you’ll see that is the case. I’ve certainly never referred to anyone as a “bi-atch” or said “you sound like those pompass arrogant jerks.”

    This is why I keep saying that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Everyone has a right to express an opinion on a subject, but to take offense when others point out the fallacies in certain statements or call out those statements are just downright lies, well that’s the epitome of thin-skinned. If a person wants to speak authoritatively about a certain topic he/she should at least have the facts to back it up.

  166. 168 sudds

    “The oil disaster is unprecedented and was set in motion long before President Obama took office.”

    Soooooo… do you think that President Obama has done a good job in handling the oil spill over the last 50+ days???

    The dirty little secret is that right now our government is working WITH the oil company to do everything possible to NOT close that well! (at least not yet)

    Why? you ask.

    Because if they close the well, then BP cannot re-drill into that oil deposit unless they get a new lease from the Federal gov’t. And since Obama has caved to pressure and stopped all new leases… BP HAS to keep the oil flowing from this well until they get the second line drilled… otherwise they will lose billions by now being able to extract the oil in that well!!!

    So, when Obama wants to know “who’s @ss he has to kick”… he should start by looking in the mirror (and perhaps his campaigns bank deposits)!!!

    Sorry to sound like George (sorry George), but this nightmare has GOT to be stopped already!!!

  167. 169 sudds

    “It was a policy/fiscal decision to allow deep water drilling, and no one inside or outside the industry really has the knowledge to deal with this type of situation because it has never been experienced before.”

    WRONG!!!

    “Perhaps we should be thinking about that instead of blaming President Obama for not “fixing” the problem when the best industry experts can’t figure out how to stop it.”

    Russia stopped their oil spill just fine…

    http://trueslant.com/juliaioffe/2010/05/04/nuke-that-slick/

  168. 170 sudds

    Just to be fair..

    “I may not have agreed with many of President Bush’s policies but I never questioned his patriotism.”

    Question his patriotism? No.

    Question his IQ? YES!!!

  169. 171 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze,
    Are you writing NO conspiracies ever existed?”

    No, George. I said I was well aware I was out of my league and was leaving it to professionals such as yourself (and apparently, Sudds).

  170. 172 sudds

    😛

  171. 173 cstratct

    So your answer is to “nuke” it?

    From the blog you posted:

    “These kinds of surgical strikes to shut off underground leaks, however, were carried out only five times, with the last one occuring in 1979. And there was only one misfire, near Kharkov, Ukraine, where a nuclear blast was unable to stanch a gas leak.

    Happily, with a track record like that, “the chances of failure in the Gulf of Mexico are 20%,” KP writes. “The Americans could certainly risk it.”

    Risk it? Isn’t risk what got us in this situation in the first place?

    Now I can’t tell from the post whether these “strikes” occurred on land or underwater. I know nothing about this type of deep water drilling but I would think the circumstances are a bit different underwater. And what happens if it doesn’t work? Does it make the spill worse?

    It’s easy to say “nuke it” but unless we know the possible negative consequences we could be opening ourselves up to a worse situation then we’re already seeing.

  172. 174 cstratct

    Sudds,

    I think President Obama has been doing everything he has the authority to do. Order troops to deploy, send the Coast Guard, bring in experts in this area to help find solutions. The problem remains that this type of deep water drilling is relatively new. We can’t just send a couple crews down there to cap the well.

    As for President Obama “stopping all new leases,” he has actually put a six-month moratorium on deep-water drilling. He suspended exploratory drilling in Alaska and stopped the lease sale off the Virginia coast. To not take those actions would be negligent, but a six-month moratorium is not the same as “stopping all new leases.” To just go on like nothing happened would have been reprehensible.

    Or should we just continue to “drill, baby, drill”?

    So if it wasn’t a policy/fiscal decision, what was it Sudds? We’re trying to draw down our dependence on foreign oil, these reserves were the next logical place to develop, and there was money to be made, the tenet of capitalism. Had the decision to not allow drilling been made, what would have been the reaction?

  173. 175 jezebel282

    Update:

    Bloomberg
    Jobs Bill Blocked in U.S. Senate Amid Complaints Over Cost
    June 16, 2010, 11:32 AM EDT

    By Brian Faler

    June 16 (Bloomberg) — A jobs bill that would raise taxes on buyout managers was blocked today in the U.S. Senate amid complaints it would add almost $80 billion to the government’s budget deficit.

    The 45-52 defeat, with 60 votes needed, wasn’t a surprise…

    ….Unemployment benefits for more than 300,000 Americans have lapsed while lawmakers debate the extension.”

    What can be said to defend this?

  174. 176 sudds

    “Or should we just continue to “drill, baby, drill”?”

    Why does every liberal think that ever non-liberal supports Sarah Palin??? Or is this just a talking-point developed to try and immediately strip credibility from someone???

    But anyway… Nope… I think that we should go nuclear!!! If a VERY liberal country like France can get 77% of their power from nuclear… how come we only get 19.7%???

  175. 177 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “If a VERY liberal country like France can get 77% of their power from nuclear… how come we only get 19.7%???”

    Umm…because in France they are owned by the government and operated by unions?

  176. 178 sudds

    I have NO problem with them being owned by the government… but I do NOT want unions involved, as our country could not survive a strike that would cause us to lose 70+% of our electricity!!!

    I think that it should be run by (and protected by) the military.

  177. 179 cstratct

    Drill, baby, drill wasn’t just Sarah Palin’s rallying cry. There are a lot of conservatives and independents who support the idea of increased drilling.

    I never said you were a Palin supporter. Unfortunately she has become such a media celebrity that most people associate this idea with her, but she’s not the only person to call for increased drilling.

    The phrase has taken on the air of supporting unregulated and unfettered drilling, but I don’t think it is a talking point meant to “strip credibility from someone.” It is a position some people hold. I don’t agree with it, but that doesn’t mean an individual isn’t credible if they believe in it. It simply means we disagree on the issue.

    France also wants to ban burqas. I don’t agree with that. Why do you make that assumption that because you label another country “liberal” those same attributes should apply to an individual? Just because I consider myself “liberal” doesn’t mean I support France’s governmental or societal structure.

  178. 180 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “the idea of increased drilling.”

    The idea of increased drilling is a fantasy. There isn’t enough to make a difference. Why? 40,000 barrels a day = 15 minutes of consumption (by cars and machines not fish).

    But Congress has no record of dealing with facts. Exxon Mobil is the most profitable company IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. And they are able to get government subsidies AND a tax refund.

    More drilling is a short term, high profit strategy. Nothing more.

  179. 181 cstratct

    No surprise here, but once again I totally agree with you Jezebel. However this is the argument being made by a significant number of people who have a more conservative perspective. I can’t say a majority, but it not just a far-right fringe group.

  180. 182 sudds

    A) I think that drilling on US soil is assinine (until the other parts of the world run out… then it will REALLY be our strategic reserve)!!!

    B) getting back on track here… who has to worry about unemployment when we will all have KILLER walking/biking paths??? 😛
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7834334/Obama-administration-spends-1.2-billion-on-cycling-and-walking-initiatives.html

  181. 183 1george1

    By now, Jeze has probably moved a majority of my Heroine post.
    The initial portion and a late portion deserve to stay.

    Obama’s speach said nothing.
    However a commentator pointed out that Obama and staff
    probably know what is expected to happen.
    There is no upside to state specifics.
    Those who attend Council Meetings, know most is scripted.
    Decisions were made in advance. Details are hidden.

    The USA was created to be a NATION of CONQUERORS and as
    a MELTING POT and SALAD BOWL of ethnic, racial, religeous,
    philosophical, creed, and other representative groups.

    Many of the current arguments were covered (generally) in
    gulliver’s travels.
    some are analogous to the proper end to crack an egg….

  182. 184 jezebel282

    Update:

    New claims for jobless benefits rise sharply

    By ALAN ZIBEL (AP) – 34 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — The number of people filing new claims for jobless benefits jumped last week after three straight declines, another sign that the pace of layoffs has not slowed.

    Initial claims for jobless benefits rose by 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 472,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. It was the highest level in a month and overshadowed a report that consumer prices remain essentially flat.

    Yet Congress does not think that anyone needs that extra $25/week or that benefits should be extended. What kind of drugs are in the water supply in the District of Columbia?

  183. 185 jezebel282

    Update:

    Republican senator blocks standalone extension of federal unemployment benefits
    Published: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:27 AM
    Jackie Headapohl

    Senator Mitch McConnell objected to a unanimous consent vote in the Senate to pass a standalone extension of federal unemployment benefits.
    Yesterday, after seeing the huge tax extenders bill, which includes an extension of federal unemployment benefits, go down in defeat on a cloture vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) tried to pass several of parts of the bill on a standalone basis.

    Reid tried to move components of the bill by a process known as unanimous consent, reports political blog FireDogLake.

    One of the components Reid tried to pass on its own was an extension of federal unemployment benefits, but Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ken.) objected, saying the provision had to be paid for.

    McConnell wanted to have a unanimous consent vote on a Republican “paid-for” bill that would be funded by unused stimulus money. Reid objected.

    In order to get enough votes to pass the tax extenders bill, Senate Democrats will need to cut the bill even further to win votes from Democrat Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut — both who voted against cloture — as well as at least one Republican.

    The Senate is expected to take up the bill again next week. Democratic leaders say they hope to be able to pass something by the July 4 holiday.

    Joe Lieberman. There he is again. Isn’t he from a State with 9.1% unemployment? Wasn’t he a Democrat that voted for everything Bush proposed for 8 years, including tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy and two wars? Isn’t he an “independent” now? Didn’t he also vote against health reform time after time? Does he sit up nights researching ways to hurt Americans?

    In the meantime, while the Senate dithers and points fingers at each other there are 5 applicants for every job available. People are desperate for work and ways to pay for food and shelter. Soon (very soon) doctors will start turning away seniors because they will refuse to accept Medicare cuts in reimbursement. Many doctors and practices already do.

    Oh, and they will take it up again next week because…wait for it…today is Friday and they are off today.

    And they wonder why people have a low opinion of Congress…..

  184. 186 jezebel282

    Update:

    Nearly 1 million to lose jobless benefits as weekly claims increase
    June 18, 12:20 PM

    As the Senate battles to extend unemployment benefits for millions of Americans, the Department of Labor announced weekly filings for initial jobless claims increased, proving more people are out of work and continue to need government aid.

    In the week ending June 12, 472,000 first-time claims were filed, an increase of 12,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 460,000.

    But hey, It’s Friday. They have to go home and raise campaign funds. Now THAT’S important.

  185. 187 sudds

    (AP) Vice President Biden today will kick off “Recovery Summer,” a six-week-long push designed to highlight the jobs accompanying a surge in stimulus-funded projects to improve highways, parks, drinking water and other public works. Biden will present President Obama with a report laying out a spike in stimulus activity this summer, and how it will contribute to a steady climb to a total of 3.5 million Recovery Act jobs by the end of the year.

  186. 188 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Oh yeah?

    Where in Stratford or even CT would you go for one of those stimulated jobs?

    I apologize to readers, but it just gets me a bit irked when not only have 17 million people lost their jobs but now a million a month are being thrown off a cliff too.

  187. 189 sudds

    “Where in Stratford or even CT would you go for one of those stimulated jobs?”

    My guess would be Obama’s @ss… because that’s where he seems to be pulling his employment numbers from!!!!

  188. 190 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “he seems to be pulling his employment numbers from!!!!”

    Actually a lot of the numbers are padded by the Census. Once these temporary jobs expire, well, 11%+ unemployment is not unreasonable.

  189. 191 jezebel282

    Update:

    From Fox News (of course)

    June 21, 2010 | 6:29 PM ET
    Dems Stuck On Tax & Jobless Benefits Bill

    As nearly one million Americans find themselves without an unemployment benefits check this week (1.3 million by week’s end), Congress still cannot agree on how to move forward.

    Voter anger over rising deficits has paralyzed action in the Senate, as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-NV, struggles to find 60 votes for an extension of jobless benefits, along with a popular set of expiring tax breaks for businesses and individuals.

    Reid opposed an attempt by GOP Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY, on Monday to gain passage of a bill that extends the benefits while not adding to the deficit. The Majority Leader blamed the previous Bush Administration for the rising tide of red ink, calling GOP spending back then “wild,” and said, simply, “I know my friend – his heart’s in the right place but his logic’s in the wrong place.”

    McConnell shot back that in one year of the Obama Administration, deficits had nearly tripled. “The kind of spending Democrats are engaged in and committed to year after year is like nothing I’ve ever seen,” the Republican leader accused.”

    The “Dems” are “stuck”? Really?

    “…how to lure the two Democratic holdouts – Nebraska’s Ben Nelson and Connecticut’s Joe Lieberman”

    There’s good ole Joe again. He just can’t bring himself to voting for his own constituents. And, oh look, there’s Ben Nelson! You remember Benny don’t you? He’s the one with $6 million worth of Berkshire Hathaway shares. I’m sure he is sympathetic to the unemployed.

    In the meantime, another 1.3 MILLION people will lose their benefits next week.

  190. 192 sudds

    Why was it that when Obuma wanted healthcare reform passed he stopped everything on his agenda, and “pounded the pavement” (and doled-out “bribes”) to get it passed, yet…

    …how many times has he made time to golf since 100’s of 1,000’s of people lost their benefits???

    Someone should tell him that Democrats are also losing their unemployment benefits… it’ll suddenly be his top priority!!!

  191. 193 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “how many times has he made time to golf since 100′s of 1,000′s of people lost their benefits???”

    Actually…it’s MILLIONS not thousands. And not only their unemployment benefits but their COBRA subsidy as well.

    While the Congress moans about the deficit and people default on their mortgages, rent and utilities they are busy weakening any hope of strong financial reform.

    Banks are continue to gamble with our money (deposits) and are not lending/investing it in businesses that would employ people. The free money window is still open to banks (not you and me) at the Fed and the cash window is still open at the Treasury where they will pay banks 3% for lending the free money back to us.

    The problem is that the unemployed have no lobby, no huge sums of campaign cash, no media support and no leverage.

  192. 194 cstratct

    And how many days did President Bush go golfing or clear brush from his ranch in Texas while there were two wars going on and the financial regulation was being stripped away?

    Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/02/AR2005080201703.html

    “The August getaway is Bush’s 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and Tuesday was the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford — roughly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president’s travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents’ compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush’s time away from Washington even further.”

    Any other frivolous “criticisms” you want to throw out there? Debate policy, not this useless drivel.

  193. 195 sudds

    cstratct…

    Maybe you didn’t get the memo… but Bush hasn’t been President for 18 months now!!!

    Also… BUSH SUCKED… we all get it, and we all agree on it… but didn’t we (actually, did you) vote for CHANGE???

    It is REALLY that hard for you to admit that your guy dropped the ball (and continues to) on this (and many other) issue(s)???

  194. 196 sudds

    PS…

    “Debate policy, not this useless drivel.”

    How can one debate policy when Obuma doesn’t make any???? It’s therefore the lack of policy/leadership that one has to debate!!!

  195. 197 cstratct

    So the healthcare law wasn’t policy? Financial reform which is winding its way through Congress. Policy regarding the troop surge in Afghanistan.

    Are those the policies President Obama “hasn’t” made?

    Oh yeah, one successful Supreme Court justice shephered through confirmation hearings with another one on the way.

    The auto industry “bailout” (for lack of a better term) that saved thousands of jobs, helped to restructure the companies and hopefully will revitalize the American car industry.

    But yeah, no leadership there. No policy decisions to be made there.

  196. 198 cstratct

    That last line was sarcasm. I thought I better mention that just in case you believed I was agreeing with you.

  197. 199 sudds

    Trust me… if anyone knows sarcasm… it’s me!!! 😛

  198. 200 sudds

    cstratct…

    I realize that Obuma has gotten a few things done. (although, he should have gotten a LOT more done while he still had FULL control of the House and Senate… just ask any homesexual how their “marriage” is going!)

    But are you now saying that since he did those things he can rest on his laurels???

    When you colored in that little circle… you DID realize that you were voting for a President who is expected to serve a four YEAR term, right??? (because apperantly Obuma thought he only had to be President until he no longer had full control of the House and Senate)

  199. 201 jezebel282

    CStrat/Sudds,

    Policy or not, Obama essentially has the job of wrangling 554 representatives and senators.

    It is akin to herding (scared) cats.

    The conference committee on Finreg just allowed a huge carve out from oversight by the Consumer Protection Agency (already gutted) for auto dealers. Why would anyone want oversight on Car dealers? After all, their reputation for honesty and fairness are well known.

    “Just sign and drive!”

  200. 202 sudds

    “Policy or not, Obama essentially has the job of wrangling 554 representatives and senators.”

    So, how is it that he had NO problem “herding the cats” when it was time for his healthcare reform that 1/2 the country didn’t want… but now that only like 98% of people support extending unemployment… he chooses to go golfing instead!?!?!?

    Can’t he just (once again) tack on a hospital for Shitscreek Arkansas in order to gain support and get this passed???

    If only Ted (I honestly just forgot to call the cops when that girl was drowning in my car) Kennedy had been for low unemployment too!!! (sigh)

  201. 203 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “but now that only like 98% of people support extending unemployment”

    Actually, if you read other blogs (not that this one isn’t the best) or watch, say, Fox News there are a lot of people who think the unemployed should be thrown off the cliff. Somehow they believe that if you get unemployment compensation that you are somehow lazy.

    “Can’t he just (once again) tack on a hospital for Shitscreek Arkansas”

    That was Clinton.

    Health reform was co-opted and subverted by the insurance companies and their sock puppets like Lieberman.

  202. 204 cstratct

    Don’t get me wrong Sudds, I’m certainly not saying that. But the Republicans in Congress are twisting themselves inside out in order to oppose anything the Obama administration proposes. Hell, some of them are even opposing things (McCain-immigration reform, repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell) they used to support. I realize McCain never said we should repeal DADT but he did say if the military leaders were supporting repeal he would leave it to them. Now…not so much.

    And it’s not that the unemployment extension is even the problem, it is every little thing that is attached to it by this Senator or that Rep that makes a lot of legislation unpalatable to the majority. Christmas tree bills are a glorious way to either get something passed (by promising everyone everything) or kill something outright (the poison pill).

    People said they wanted bipartisanship after eight years of the Bush administration, but the truth is that Republicans currently in Congress have no interest in bipartisanship. Obama included much of what Republicans wanted in the healthcare bill and it didn’t change a single vote. He met them not only on their turf, but included them in the healthcare summit. Republicans took the opportunity to lambast the Obama adminstration and call for a “do over” after a year and a half worth of work on the bill. Bipartisanship is a two-way street, but one side of the road is empty right now.

  203. 205 jezebel282

    Update:

    More proof that Republicans are compassionate people:

    Orrin Hatch: Drug Test The Unemployed

    Sen. Orrin Hatch’s legislation to drug test the unemployed and those receiving other forms of government cash assistance, the Utah Republican told the Huffington Post after introducing his measure last week.

    “A lot of people are saying, ‘Hey, it’s about time. Why do we keep giving money to people who are going to go use it on drugs instead of their families?'” Hatch said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/orrin-hatch-drug-test-the_n_620908.html

    Can somebody send this idiot an email and tell him those “drugs” were covered under COBRA? Lipitor is not a banned substance.

    And this guy is a Senator?

  204. 206 sudds

    Ummm… I think that he might be referring to ILLEGAL drugs!!! 😛

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    {Edited to interject common sense}

    Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), meanwhile, has an opinion. “I think it’s a punitive attitude. {god forbid that we penalize people who use illegal drugs}

    Who’s going to pay for the test? {the savings in not giving funds to drug addicts money to support their addiction would probably more than offset it}

    What’s the point of the test? {to make certain that tax dollars are not supporting people’s drug addictions}

    You know, why do you want to drug test people who have lost their job? {again, to make certain that tax dollars are not supporting people’s drug addictions},”

    she wondered. {I wonder who the @#$% actually voted for this idiot}

  205. 207 1george1

    Sudds there are
    435 Congress = elected
    100 Senate = elected
    1 President / VP = Jointly elected
    50 Governors. = elected
    9 Supreme Court Justices = Unelected =
    Appointed like
    > Military Academy
    > Bureaucratic Dept / Agency heads
    > Judges

    You and others might appreciate Charlie Reese opinion
    (which is partially correct)

    ============

    The 545 People Responsible For All Of U.S. Woes

    BY Charley Reese

    (Date of publication unknown)– — –
    Politicians are the only people in the world who
    create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered why, if both the
    Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against
    inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.
    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.
    The House of Representatives does.
    You and I don’t write the tax code. Congress does.
    You and I don’t set fiscal policy. Congress does.
    You and I don’t control monetary policy.
    The Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen,
    one president and nine Supreme Court justices
    – 545 human beings out of the 235 million
    – are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible
    for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board
    because that problem was created by the Congress.
    In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to
    provide a sound currency to a federally chartered
    but private central bank.

    (real problem are WAR COLLEGE /\ Intelligence Communities = GEM)

    I excluded all but the special interests and lobbyists for a
    sound reason. They have no legal authority.
    > They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman
    or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.
    > I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
    The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

    No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislation’s
    responsibility to determine how he votes.

    A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY

    Don’t you see how the con game that is played on the people
    by the politicians?
    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing
    you that what they did is not their fault.

    They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is
    an excessive amount of gall.
    No normal human being would have the gall of Tip O’Neill, who
    stood up and criticized Ronald Reagan for creating deficits.

    The president can only propose a budget.
    He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land,
    gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives
    for originating appropriations and taxes.

    O’neill is (was) the speaker of the House.
    He is (was) the leader of the majority party.
    He and his fellow Democrats, not the president,
    can approve any budget they want.
    If the president vetos it, they can pass it over his veto.

    REPLACE SCOUNDRELS

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 235 million
    cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted –
    – by present facts – of incompetence and irresponsibility.

    I can’t think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code
    to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

    When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise
    power of the federal government, then it must follow that what
    exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

    If the Marines are in Lebanon, it’s because they want them in Lebanon.
    (Backwards Lebanon is spelled = non able – as in cain & able)

    There are no insoluble government problems.
    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats,
    whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish;
    (like Stratford managers / mayors)

    to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject;
    to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate
    and from whom they can take it.

    Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that
    there exist disembodied mystical forces like
    “the economy,” “inflation” or “politics” that prevent them
    from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people and they alone are responsible.
    They and they alone have the power.
    They and they alone should be held accountable by the people
    who are their bosses
    – provided they have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    This article was first published by the Orlando Sentinel Star newspaper

  206. 208 sudds

    If anyone out there is still awake after reading George’s posting… I would like to apologize!

    Apperantly Obuma is working for people in the Country afterall!!! Granted it’s for people who are here illegally, but what the heck… think of the additional D’s voting in the polls if he can get them all citizenship!!! 😆

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-crises_-Obama-declares-war—-on-Arizona-96839529.html

  207. 209 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “again, to make certain that tax dollars are not supporting people’s drug addictions”

    Should we also test those who get Social Security?

  208. 210 sudds

    YES

    ESPECIALLY those who get SS disability!!!

  209. 211 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “think of the additional D’s voting in the polls if he can get them all citizenship!”

    You are absolutely correct. No one would EVER want to come here if we only had Republicans.

    “ESPECIALLY those who get SS disability!!!”

    There are quite a few who are over 65 that should be tested as well. We should start with the ones in Congress.

  210. 212 sudds

    “There are quite a few who are over 65 that should be tested as well.”

    Agreed… I didn’t mean only those on SS Disability.

    “We should start with the ones in Congress.”

    I don’t know about drug tests… but I bet at least half of them would fail an IQ test!!! 😛

  211. 213 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    While we’re at it, how about drug tests before you get bailout money? Wouldn’t want those brokers and M&A guys on coke paid for with Federal funds.

  212. 214 1george1

    The orlando sentinel article was stretched out to isolate
    specific key lines within the Charley Reese timeless article
    from the Reagan years.

    # 213 drug tests + bailout? – isn’t that mainstay of local politics?
    # 212 IQ Test? – Smart people cause most problems.
    # 211 Citizenship – D + R steal everything not nailed to the truck.
    # 210 Sudds admit SS Disability? SHORT SIGHTED?
    # 209 DRUG ADDICTIONS support? Scotch + Bud + Rye + Tobacco
    are as addicting or more addicting than cocaine / heroin.
    Not as addicting or dangerous as corrupt police, attorneys. 🙂
    # 208 Sudds claiming he is 100 % USA Aboriginal?
    # 207 CIVICS LESSON

  213. 215 cstratct

    I see, so there’s a presumption of guilt with respect to the unemployed. It’s bad enough that an economy that was decimated by Republican “trickle down” (read-pissed on) economics, now apparently some Republicans feel that the unemployed did it to themselves by doing drugs. It didn’t have anything to do with reckless economic policies the outsourced or eliminated millions of jobs. No, those unemployed people did it to themselves alright, and they must have been doing drugs too.

    Because we know all the people still employed would never do drugs, right?

    And if you’re taking a government “handout” it is presumed you are on drugs.

    And what happens to those people in states where medical marijuana is used to treat the side effects of chemotherapy or glaucoma? Some of those people may be out on SS disability or may be unemployed.

    This whole issue is ridiculous. Here’s an idea: If this passes (and I would hope the rest of Congress has enough common sense to laugh at Hatch when he discussing his idiotic legislation) Senator Hatch’s office should receive the testing samples. Let him pay for the testing with his campaign money.

  214. 216 sudds

    “so there’s a presumption of guilt with respect to the unemployed”

    WHERE THE F*CK did you pull this out of??? This is about as far-reaching as I have ever seen anything on this blog!!! This is WORSE than George’s worst!!!

    Who said anything about guilt? This is simply making sure that our tax dolloars do not go to support someone’s drug habit/addiction!!!

    PS…

    “And what happens to those people in states where medical marijuana is used to treat the side effects of chemotherapy or glaucoma?”

    In case you didn’t notice… just because the idiots in the white house won’t prosecute… does NOT make it legal! You use… you lose… end of story!!!

  215. 217 sudds

    # 210 Sudds admit SS Disability? SHORT SIGHTED?

    HUH??? What chew talkin bout Willis???

    # 208 Sudds claiming he is 100 % USA Aboriginal?

    George… didn’t we warn you about posting when in the middle of a Twinkie-induced diabetic shock?!?!?!?

  216. 218 cstratct

    Get off your high horse Sudds and read this slowly:

    Probable Cause. You know, the fourth amendment.

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons.” Unreasonable search. Unless the government has some reasonable suspicion that a person is using drugs, the government doesn’t have the authority to randomly test every single individual in a particular government program just because it wants to. That’s an unreasonable search and an invasion of privacy (not to mention discriminatory). It is a presumption of guilt when the government says they’re going to test people who partake of one particular program but not others. That is singling out certain groups and is presumptious.

    Unless of course you’re advocating a police or socialist state. Is that what you’re suggesting Sudds?

    And as for medical marijuana, are you saying you would lock up and deny benefits to cancer and AIDS patients, and those with glaucoma, whose only relief from symptoms and side effects is a narcotic that is less potent (and yet natural) then many pharmceuticals?

    And finally, what’s with the childish statement at the end of your last post? Oh wait, I forgot who was on the other end of this “debate.” Never mind.

  217. 219 sudds

    “And as for medical marijuana, are you saying you would lock up and deny benefits to cancer and AIDS patients, and those with glaucoma, whose only relief from symptoms and side effects is a narcotic that is less potent (and yet natural) then many pharmceuticals?”

    Why do people like you have such a hard time understanding the word ILLEGAL???

  218. 220 cstratct

    Oh I can’t wait for the response to this question:

    What do you mean by “people like you””?

    Let’s hear it Sudds, you think you know me so well. What are you referring to with this statement?

    Why not educate yourself about the subject before jumping on your soapbox:

    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/about-ama/13625.shtml

    One brief but significant point from this document:

    “The AMA believes that effective patient care requires the free and unfettered exchange of information on treatment alternatives and that discussion of these alternatives between physicians and patients should not subject either party to criminal sanctions.”

    It’s so easy for some people to make proclamations and expect everyone abide by their black and white standards. It’s also extremely naive and short-sighted.

    Perhaps you need a refresher on the word illegal. It would be ILLEGAL for the government to test people for drugs without probable cause.

    Does that help you?

  219. 221 mayor2013

    I now realize that all of you have gone way off track with your postings. Almost to the point that you have become condescending. The blog administrator should not allow this ridiculous behavior among you to continue – especially SUDDS. You are disgusting.

  220. 222 cstratct

    Well mayor2013, the conversations on this blog go where they go, and since Jezebel was actually the one who posted the article about Senator Hatch introducing this drug testing bill, it seems the posts aren’t that far off track. Now the insults and personal invective, I’ll agree with you and I’ll take ownership of those statements that have gone over the line and attempt to not repeat the behavior. As far as your comment regarding Sudds, isn’t that stating the obvious? 🙂

  221. 223 jezebel282

    2013,

    “The blog administrator should not allow this ridiculous behavior among you to continue – especially SUDDS.”

    Anyone with an opinion is entitled and invited to post here. Rules: Anonymity will be maintained unless there are multiple usernames from the same IP address. Irrelevant or profane posts may be edited for content. If you wish to contact the editor privately you may do so at: jezebel.anonymous@gmail.com

    Now obviously, neither Cstrat nor Sudds have a very high opinion of each other, but that is their opinion.

    Hatch’s proposed legislation was so extreme, I just couldn’t help but post it. When Lloyd Blankfien (CEO of Goldman Sachs), Ken Lewis (CEO of Bank of America), Jamie Dimon (CEO of JP Morgan Chase) who ALL took government money line up for their drug tests I’ll agree with Orrin Hatch.

  222. 224 sudds

    “What do you mean by “people like you””?”

    Chill out! All I meant was simply… people who somehow think that laws don’t need to be followed!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “Why not educate yourself about the subject before jumping on your soapbox”

    Stating federal law is a soapbox?

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “Perhaps you need a refresher on the word illegal. It would be ILLEGAL for the government to test people for drugs without probable cause.”

    Really? Are you sure? You have GOT to stop getting your news solely from the Huffingtonpost! Why don’t you try something a little less liberal, like MSNBC (LOL)…

    “All federal workers are eligible to be tested. SAMHSA, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3960458/

  223. 225 sudds

    “The blog administrator should not allow this ridiculous behavior among you to continue – especially SUDDS. You are disgusting.”

    Defending the laws of the United States is ridiculous behavior that makes me disgusting???

    LOL… good luck with that campaign Mister (LOL) Mayor!!!

  224. 226 sudds

    “Now obviously, neither Cstrat nor Sudds have a very high opinion of each other, but that is their opinion.”

    NOT TRUE!!! I have a very high opinion of him!!! He is obviously a smart, compassionate and VERY enthusiatic person!!!

    Granted… I’m not too keen on a few of his stances/ideals… but isn’t living with each others differences (and having the freedom to have those differences) part of what makes this country great???

  225. 227 cstratct

    How the hell would you know what I think about following laws? It’s a stupid comment which simply exposes your ignorance and lack of knowledge about me. Hey, separate but equal was the law of the land for years. Was that policy correct? Perhaps in your mind we shouldn’t have changed that law either? Or how about marriages between blacks and whites? That was illegal for some time in this country. It’s still “illegal” for same sex couples to get married in many states in this country, and some politicians want a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage. Want to make that law too?

    Now, before you go on one of your “that’s not what I said” rants, I’m not implying you support any of this. I’m simply pointing out that if you’re going to apply your black/white vision of the laws of this country then you better be prepared to remain consistent across the board.

    There is clear scientific evidence that marijuana has significant medical benefits for some individuals and can be less harmful to people then many of the manufactured pharmaceuticals that drug companies and doctors enjoy pushing down the throats of Americans without a clear understanding of their long-term impact on the body.

    And for what it’s worth, I certainly hope you never drive over the speed limit or do anything that might be construed as breaking the law. If you do, then one could construe that you “somehow think that laws don’t need to be followed.”

    By the way, what federal law did you state?

  226. 228 cstratct

    By the way Sudds, individuals on unemployment are not federal workers. Want to try again? Most people on unemployment aren’t applying for a job with HHS or the federal government. They’re trying to make ends meet to feed their families until they can find employment.

    And since they likely paid into the system for years prior to being unemployed, it would seem to me they’re entitled to the benefits afforded them without the presumption they’re doing drugs.

  227. 229 sudds

    “There is clear scientific evidence that marijuana has significant medical benefits for some individuals and can be less harmful to people then many of the manufactured pharmaceuticals that drug companies and doctors enjoy pushing down the throats of Americans without a clear understanding of their long-term impact on the body.”

    Is it REALLY that hard to admit that marijuana usage is ILLEGAL???

  228. 230 sudds

    “Most people on unemployment [are]… trying to make ends meet to feed their families until they can find employment.”

    AGRRED!!! This is EXACTLY why (a) they should NOT be using ILLEGAL drugs which, in turn, is EXACTLY why (b) they should have no reason to object to a drug test!!!

  229. 231 sudds

    “I certainly hope you never drive over the speed limit or do anything that might be construed as breaking the law.”

    Ummm… you DO realize that there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between speeding and illegal drug usage right???

  230. 232 jezebel282

    Restatement:

    When Lloyd Blankfien (CEO of Goldman Sachs), Ken Lewis (CEO of Bank of America), Jamie Dimon (CEO of JP Morgan Chase) who ALL took government money line up for their drug tests I’ll agree with Orrin Hatch….and Sudds.

  231. 233 sudds

    do you REALLY think that these three guys would fail a drug test???

  232. 234 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “do you REALLY think that these three guys would fail a drug test???”

    Do you REALLY think that the unemployed guy would fail a drug test???

    I suggest it is more likely that some of the first group would be more able to afford cocaine than latter group.

    But if your sole criteria for a drug test is receiving government money, then these guys are the most qualified in the country.

  233. 235 sudds

    “But if your sole criteria for a drug test is receiving government money, then these guys are the most qualified in the country.”

    LOL… good point!!!

  234. 236 cstratct

    Sudds,

    You do realize you just proved my point about the drug testing being presumptious, don’t you?

    “This is EXACTLY why (a) they should NOT be using ILLEGAL drugs which, in turn, is EXACTLY why (b) they should have no reason to object to a drug test!!!”

    By requiring a drug test you’re making the assumption they are using drugs. Again, what about the 4th Amendment don’t you understand? The government doesn’t have the right to search someone (which a drug test certainly is) WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. Under your logic the probable cause is that they’re unemployed. Do you realize how ridiculous your argument is?

    Here’s an idea, using your logic, you should allow your house to be searched to make sure there are no illegal weapons being stored there. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t object. So will you allow the federal authorities in to search your home? Or perhaps you wouldn’t mind the authorities listening in on your phone conversations and looking at what internet sites you visit. You’ve got nothing to hide right? So you shouldn’t have any problem with it.

    After all, it’s only the 4th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. If you’re not doing anything illegal then it shouldn’t bother you if they trample all over the Constitution.

    As for speeding vs. illegal drugs, it’s not the difference in the offenses, Sudds. They are both illegal according to the law, so if you’re speeding you’re showing the same contempt for the law as someone who is using drugs. A law is a law according to your black/white logic, so if you’re going over the speed limit you “somehow think that laws don’t need to be followed.”

  235. 237 cstratct

    By the way Jezebel, it shouldn’t be just the CEO’s, it should be every employee of every firm that accepted these funds. The company accepted the funds, so every employee at the company should be tested.

    Even then, Hatch’s idea is stupid and should be soundly rejected by any member of Congress that has an ounce of common sense and . . . uh oh!

  236. 238 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “rejected by any member of Congress that has an ounce of common sense and . . . uh oh!”

    Now you’re just talking crazy.

  237. 239 cstratct

    I don’t know what came over me.

    Next I’ll be positing that there is a conspiracy among the pharmaceutical companies and members of Congress to continue the prohibition against medical marijuana in order to increase sales of manufactured pharmaceuticals that will bolster their profits. No . . . that would be ridiculous right? Of course big pharma is looking out for the best interests of the people, aren’t they? 🙂

  238. 240 1george1

    Hey Jeze, Sudds, & Chris,

    May I suggest that you unwind with a box of Twinkies
    and huge COLD MILK.

    Maybe dip the Twinkies in Chocolate?

    Can we all agree that we are lesser jerks that the people in D.C.,
    Hartford, and the local LAWYERS / most TOWN COMMITTEE people?

    Can we also agree that everything above is far out of our CONTROL,
    JUST LIKE MANY of MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES, so it really does not
    seem to make sense insulting each other, when you are really mad
    at the other people, who have no idea the BLOG or WE EXIST?

    At least I would be able to prove past communications with the various
    Federal, State, and Local agencies and departments, regardless of if
    you choose to believe my past or not?

    # 239 Medical pot – Medicine is medicine / Profits drive decisions.
    My COMPUTER MONITOR is soaking wet from the sarcasm by chris
    and myself 😉

    # 238 Congress are highly intelligent people whose SELF INTEREST ….

    # 237 Testing everyone? After posting 4th Amendment?
    Having twinkies and eating them?

    # 236 Legal vs Illegal? Hmmmm – cintonesque how do you define….
    DEA + ATF & E vs. Controlled substances / untaxed item
    Insurance vs Protection Racket
    Lottery / Power Ball vs. Numbers Racquet
    Lobby / Political donation vs. Bribery
    Horse / Dog / Jai Alai / Sports bets vs. Bookmaking
    Bar Association vs. (intellectual) Prostitution

    # 235 Government paying for Drug Tests?
    Could they be traced to state farms?

    # 234 cocaine is labled a recreation drug for the rich or for dealers.
    Robin Williams: “Cocaine is proof we make too much money”

    # 233 Drug test for 3 rich inside traitors / traders? Does POWER count?

    # 232 “speeding and illegal drug usage” (when did they legalize SPEED?)

    # 231 “to feed family” Relates to argument about what constitutes Alien legal or illegal?
    > Derivative question: why the huge deal about Aliens, when it has been
    cocaine and other drugs which devastated the American nuclear family?
    Jus kurious suddies ole pal

    SS = Short Sighted – jus teasin 😉

    # 216 Sudds turbo-ed by Chris post # 215

    # 215 Chris Presumption of guilt on unemployed?

    Daily I speak to owners managers to places with 50 + workers since 1993.
    DOWNSIZING and SHUTDOWNS of PRIVATELY OWNED LARGE BUSINESSES
    are being displaced by OFF SHORE and BIG BOX Multinationals.
    These are PRIVATELY OWNED FEEDER COMPANIES.

    We have SEEN AVCO and will SEE SIKORSKY go BYE – BYE

    # 216

  239. 241 jezebel282

    Update:

    Unemployment-benefits bill stalls in Senate as GOP rejects revised plan
    The Washington Post– Lori Montgomery

    Thursday, June 24, 2010

    Senate Democrats were ready to throw in the towel late Wednesday on a months-long effort to deliver fresh aid to states and extend benefits to unemployed workers, saying Republicans had rejected their latest offer to pare down the size and cost of the package.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) set the procedural wheels in motion for a climactic vote on the legislation as soon as Thursday. Despite days of talks, a senior Democratic aide said Reid had been unable to persuade any Republicans to support the measure, leaving him at least two votes short of the 60 needed to overcome a GOP filibuster. Failure to pass the bill would mean about 200,000 jobless people a week would lose benefits that average more than $300 a week because they would be unable to reapply for additional tiers of benefits enacted since 2008.

    Democrats control 59 seats in the Senate but expect to lose the vote of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), meaning they would need the votes of at least two Republicans to cross the 60-vote threshold.

    Ben Nelson? There’s that name again. The guy who owns $6 million worth of Berkshire Hathaway shares and opposes regulation of derivatives trading too?

    Just to make sure we understand this, every single Republican in the Senate opposes extending unemployment for 17 million people who are unemployed because no one regulated the casinos where the banks and trading companies bet our money and lost?

  240. 242 jezebel282

    More update:

    Businessweek:

    Treasuries Gain on Outlook for Low Inflation, Employment, Rates
    By Susanne Walker

    The consumer price index declined 0.2 percent in May, the biggest drop since December 2008, data from the Labor Department showed on June 17. Initial claims for jobless benefits unexpectedly rose to 472,000 for the week ended June 12, the department said. Economists in a Bloomberg survey forecast a slide to 450,000. Housing starts fell 10 percent in May, the biggest tumble since March 2009, Fed data showed on June 16. Treasuries rose, pushing 10-year yields near the lowest since the week ended May 15, 2009, on speculation weak employment and subdued inflation will persuade the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates at a record low.

    In English: 472,000 American Citizens lost their jobs last month (until it is revised upward again). The price of things went down a bit because if you are lucky enough to still get a paycheck you haven’t seen a raise in years but utilities and local taxes keep going up. No one has the confidence, credit history or money to buy a house.

    So…Treasury prices went up because everyone wants to buy them. Who has the money to buy them? The Chinese and the largest banks and “investment” companies. Why? Because the Chinese have all of our jobs and the Banks are borrowing our money at zero percent and buying Treasuries with it and getting 3% for it.

    And yet the message from Congress to the unemployed U.S. voter and the ones who will lose their jobs because sales of everything will fall is: “Screw you.”

  241. 243 1george1

    SIMPLEST TERMS

    CONSUMER SPENDING is 70 % of USA GDP.
    If the VAST MAJORITY of CONSUMERS have to SPEND LESS because
    they lost JOBS, HOMES, SAVINGS, PORTFOLIOS, RETIREMENTS,
    (government employee will lose their pensions within 2 years)
    how will GDP grow?

    Actually if those who stole the money do spend, we can have the
    illusion of economic growth, for the few – not the many.

  242. 244 jezebel282

    Update:

    After both the House and Senate Republicans voted to deny benefits to the unemployed, there is this incredible statement:

    “Many Democrats see the benefits as insurance against the economy sliding back into recession. Many Republicans, however, worry that adding nearly $34 billion to the budget deficit will only add to the nation’s economic problems.

    “Look around the world. Countries are sinking in debt,” said Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the Ways and Means Committee. “Yet the Democrat leaders of this House seem among the last to understand this reckless spending cannot go on forever.”

    To Mr. Camp: Keeping 200,000 people a week from defaulting on mortgages, buying food, and paying utility bills and taxes is THREE months of the cost of the war in Afghanistan. Three months of doing nothing will leave 2.4 MILLION U.S. citizens without a job and without any way of supporting their families.

    Every dollar of unemployment compensation generates $1.63 for the U.S. economy. While bank bailouts, interest free loans and wars generate zero.

    Now, let’s review our terms, Mr. Camp. What, exactly, is “reckless spending”?

  243. 245 1george1

    Jeze

    Unemployment helps pay for food / utilities.

    It will not pay mortgages.
    Refinance and credit cards have people crushed!

    Many people collect unemployment and work under the table.
    Long term it works against them.

    The government war games E V E R Y T H I N G.
    They know that many people (burnt out) will take at least a couple
    weeks of unemployment as added vacation.

    Everyone labors under the concept that there are not people looking
    to destroy the value of as many people as possible to hoard as much
    money as they can, to increase their control.
    They look at MONEY and POWER like a POKER GAME or MONOPOLY.

    DEPENDANCY is where DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS want the MASSES!
    DRUGS
    ALCOHOL
    TOBACCO
    FIREARMS + EXPLOSIVE
    CRIME
    WAR
    BUY from BIG BOX – INTERNATIONALS – not LOCALS

    Many people get into politics for altruistic reasons.

    However the EMPIRICS of POLITICS is based on MACHIAVELLIAN ETHICS
    where the AMORAL create rules to keep Strategic & Tactical advantage
    since they have NO RULES.

  244. 246 1george1

    Press REPORTS that government findings indicate extending
    unemployment tends to encourage people to NOT look for
    or find work or create income.

    I suspect these fact finders are similar to those who blame the
    VICTIMS of DRUGS, CIGARETTES, and ALCOHOL, despite the fact
    they KNOW those have HIGHLY CRAFTED ADDICTED FACTORS built in.

    When NEIGHBORS are outta work = Recession
    When YOU + I are outta work = DEPRESSION!

  245. 248 jezebel282

    Washington impasse threatens state’s budget, residents’ pocketbooks
    By Deirdre Shesgreen
    July 1, 2010

    WASHINGTON–A spending stalemate in Congress could create a multi-million dollar budget gap in Connecticut. And it could have a devastating impact on state residents, who have already started to feel the toll of the financial tussle in Washington.

    At issue are several spending bills now stalled in Congress, including emergency Medicaid funds to preserve that health insurance safety net for the poor, an extension of unemployment benefits, and billions of dollars in education funds to avert teacher lay-offs.

    These proposals have been in limbo for weeks, while Connecticut officials have grown increasingly anxious about the possible ramifications on the state budget, and residents have already started to feel some of the effects.

    At the end of last week, 3,000 Connecticut residents had lost their unemployment benefits, according to a breakdown of U.S. Department of Labor data by the National Employment Law Project, a Washington advocacy group for low-wage workers.

    “By the end of this week, it will be 4,000, and by the end of next, 5,000,” said Maurice Emsellem, policy co-director at NELP.

    “If you cut people off from unemployment compensation, not only are you hurting them so they can’t pay their basic living costs-rent, food, electricity-but you are also losing the stimulative effect on the economy,” said Sharon Langer, a senior policy fellow at Connecticut Voices for Children.”

    In the meantime, Republicans bemoan the government “intrusion” of the ability of banks to continue to bet our money in a casino with no rules.

    Here is what Republicans have in mind: Cut spending, cut the deficit, deregulate everything and keep the tax cuts for the wealthy. But most importantly, keep those campaign contributions flowing. The unemployed and the poor don’t make campaign contributions. Cut their programs first.

    But here is a secret they won’t tell you: 17 MILLION unemployed people don’t BUY anything and don’t pay payroll tax.

    There is no incentive at all for banks to invest in small or medium size businesses as long as they can make billions at the casino. That very same casino is closed to the general public (and your 401K). You can make all the $10 trades you want and you will never be able to compete with programmed trading of millions of shares per minute. Research? Analysis? That’s so 20th century. The best you can expect is to sell short between 3:30 and 4:00 PM. Oh wait…you are not allowed to sell IRA’s, Keoughs and 401K’s short. That’s illegal (for you & me). You can only buy long. Good luck with that.

  246. 249 1george1

    Now that the 1st 1/2 of 2010 is over and the Municipalities turned
    in their BUDGETS, the STATES will add their DATA.

    MUNI BONDS do NOT look investment grade.
    STATE BONDS unlikely to look investment grade.
    INTENTIONAL PENSION “OBLIGATIONS” causing problems to both.

    What is the possibility that D.O.W. will TEST the BOTTOM by early SEPT?

    Nice BUYING OPPORTUNITY for those holding CASH.

    But then, perfect time for the ultimate GRIFTERS to GRAB their money too.

    WALL STREET 2, due out about high holy days?

    Some people make it bad for the majority!

  247. 250 jezebel282

    George,

    “What is the possibility that D.O.W. will TEST the BOTTOM by early SEPT?”

    Do you ever bother reading anyone else’s posts?

    One more time: Whether the market goes up or down doesn’t make any difference at all in the operations of companies. They got all the capital they are ever going to get when they went public in the first place. When FedEx stock goes up, FedEx doesn’t get a check. They only generate revenue by delivering things.

    The real losers (and there are millions of them) are the people who are unknowingly placing a portion of the paychecks into the market (401K’s etc) every week in the erroneous belief that the market will always go up. They put their entire retirement funds in the hands of faceless, blameless and unaccountable fund managers.

    There is a reason the big six banks and the Chinese buy Treasury Notes. See if you can figure it out.

  248. 251 jezebel282

    1.3 million unemployed won’t get benefits restored

    By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER (AP) – 32 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — More than 1.3 million laid-off workers won’t get their unemployment benefits reinstated before Congress goes on a weeklong vacation for Independence Day.

    An additional 200,000 people who have been without a job for at least six months stand to lose their benefits each week, unless Congress acts.

    Jobless Claims in U.S. Increased Last Week to 472,000
    July 01, 2010, 8:51 AM EDT
    More From Businessweek
    By Bob Willis

    July 1 (Bloomberg) — More Americans unexpectedly applied for jobless benefits last week, a sign the labor market recovery may be slowing.

    Initial jobless claims increased by 13,000 to 472,000 in the week ended June 26, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The number of people receiving unemployment insurance rose, while those getting emergency benefits dropped after Congress failed to act on extending the legislation.

  249. 252 sudds

    Unemployment benefits? Why do we need those when the number one focus of our government this year has been jobs???

    From cnn.com: (just thought I mention that before I get the “get off of foxnews.com” comments)

    “Jobs will be our number one focus in 2010. And we’re going to start where most new jobs do – with small businesses,” said Obama

    (note: appearantly Obama has used/is using numbers that he likes better than number one for things like healthcare, gay rights, immigration, partys w/ Paul McCartney, etc, etc, etc)

  250. 253 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Just a quick question: What law can he sign if Congress does not make one?

  251. 254 sudds

    Jez,

    Why doesn’t he just bribe another Senator (see: Nelson, Ben or Landrieu, Mary) to get the votes that he needs???

  252. 255 1george1

    Jeze,

    One more time: Whether the market goes up or down doesn’t make any difference at all in the operations of companies. = CORRECT.

    HOWEVER, JEZE we are relating ORANGES to BANANAS

    The VARIOUS PENSION PORTFOLIOS values have a DIRECT RELATIONSHIP
    to the VALUE of their INVESTMENTS.
    STRATFORD’S PORTFOLIO BOTTOMED in the upper $ 30 MILLION RANGE,
    while $ 16 million a year was being taken out of the PORTFOLIO to pay
    KITED PENSIONS.

    If the VALUES had decreased to $ 5 million, money necessary for pensions
    would have come from INCREASED NUMBERS of LOWER VALUED SHARES.

    Because the Pension shortfall deposit the last 2 januaries exceeded
    $ 13,000,000 – while the market bounced back from the $ 750 Billion
    free loan to the BIG BANKERS’ personnel, it allowed them to get a FREE
    BOOST since 1,000 point rise in the DOW is equivalent to about …..
    you guessed it …. $ 750 Billion

    By giving money to their supporters, who don’t squander it on FOOD,
    MEDICINE, or the like 😦 …. MONEY CHASING MONEY was able to move
    the D. O. W. from under 7,000 to close to 11,000

    JEZE
    What was the “window dressing” affect on TRIVIAL things like:
    * MARKET CAPITALIZATION
    * INSTITUTIONAL PORTFOLIOS
    * Regulatory ability for INSTITUTIONS to BUY?
    > UNDER $ 10 > UNDER $ 5 > UNDER $ 1 triggers various LIMITS
    * Investors ability to LEVERAGE.
    > Kills ya in spiraling markets.
    > Geometric progressive in kited markets
    * Disposable INCOME since depleted PORTFOLIOS and LOWER HOME /
    REAL ESTATE VALUES – have what kind of effect on CREDIT / BORROWING?

    JEZE,
    You have not quite made the “connect” between INFLATED / DEFLATED
    VALUES for the MASSES and correlation to CONSUMER DRIVEN ECONOMY
    differentiation than IPO / VENTURE CAPITAL and M1, M2, M3 flight capital
    and LIQUIDITY VELOSITY, driving MARKET CAPITALISM.

    In MARKET CAPITALISM …..E V E R Y T H I N G starts with the S A L E.

    In FINANCE your operations NEED the INITIAL CAPITALIZATION, however
    you can have the best product in the world, but if NO ONE BUYS IT,
    what good does it do you?

    In the USA the motto was once about CARS.
    ‘What is good for GM is good for America.”

    Built in Obsolescence forced upgrading.

    Then they realized.
    The real money is in the OIL / COAL / NATURAL GAS, as long as they
    could limit NUCLEAR, SOLAR, and MILEAGE enhancers.

    They also relaized WAR – Increases OIL demands for Ships, Planes, and
    Vehicles and blown up Planes and Vehicles means replacement and
    Munnitions is the ultimate in built in obsolescence / natural replacement
    need, as part of the description.

    Revolutionary War to WW I – were mostly MASONS/PROTESTANTS fighting
    MASONS/PROTESTANTS with some later CIVIL WAR use of Irish / other
    immigrants, similar to Hessians, to use MASSES to overcome depleting
    forces of the Southerners, with limited pools for Soldiers.

    WW II they let Catholics, Jews, and even some blacks and Neisi fight.

    Korea and far more so in Vietnam and later, they let Blacks, Hispanics,
    and others earn their american military accolades.

    Now is time to end War.

    Now is time to create and build cornucopia and effectual utopia.

  253. 256 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Why doesn’t he just bribe another Senator (see: Nelson, Ben”

    I don’t think even a president can bribe Ben Nelson with the same amount that Warren Buffet can. Buffet has more money than Exxon (who own Mary Landrieu).

  254. 258 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “can spend like the Big-O”

    Please. He’s not even close to George W. yet. It takes time and patience to strip away all regulations, cut taxes for the wealthy and give away money to banks.

  255. 259 1george1

    Wall Street Journal page A9 June 29, 2010

    source made available a unique concept:
    STATE WORKERS, LONG RESISTAN,
    ACCEPT CUTS in PENSION BENEFITS.

    REALITY has not hit members, who have yet to pay more
    towards retirement.

    Similarly, NEW TAX INCREASE has yet to hit.

    WHEN IT DOES ….and WHEN TAX BILLS go up a minimum of 10 %
    to the political unaffiliated and unconnected …..

    Meanwhile those with much more property and living space and
    garage and porch / patio and landscaped amenities have been
    paying maybe twice the tax of the houses / property 1/4th the
    size, and proportional values.

    Why not check the evaluations on vision quest?

    While Jim and Dick Miron muck up the town, do they even own homes?

    Is it true
    70% Teachers live out of town, paying no primary resident property tax?
    70% Fire Dept live out of town, paying no primary resident property tax?
    50%+ Police Dept live out of town, paying no primary resident property tax?

    I prefer full time Fire Dept to volunteers. But don’t rip off people.

    I prefer full time PW to private sector. But

    I prefer full time Honest Police to private sector.
    However, not hassling people, while letting people be murdered …. ?
    Mossman – Imbro – Burturla
    Florek – Kelly – Burturla – Berchem – Willinger
    Barnfart, Feeney, Branyan, Miron, Harkins
    O’Connell, Cornish
    Norm and “his bosses”
    Dodd, Weicker, Lieberman, Morrison, DeLauro, Shays, Blumenthal, Bysewicz,
    Rowland, Rell,
    Mirons, Schirillo,
    Sullivan, Whats her face-Best worked for her, Flatto, Dougiello
    H.A.I.G., Ford / Rockefeller, Carter, Reagan / Bush / Schultz, Clinton,
    Bush / Cheney /Rumsfelt, Bam-Bam
    Gates, Meyers, Panetta, Tennant,

    What a waste of intelligence …

    As good as the world is …. so much better is on the shelf!

  256. 260 sudds

    quick poll:

    Who in the “audience” pays 15% of their gross pay for Health Insurance???

    (note: Lord knows that Misses Sudds and I do NOT pay that!!!!)

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-06/merkel-raises-german-health-premiums-to-15-5-of-gross-pay-to-plug-deficit.html

  257. 261 sudds

    Ooops… that should be 15.5%!!!

  258. 262 sudds

    PS… in all fairness… the 15.5% DOES include 7.3% (about half) paid for by the employer!

    But right now, Mrs. Sudds and I are at about 2%… so it IS going to hurt when Obama-care is forced upon us!!!

  259. 263 cstratct

    Pretty misleading statement/question there Sudds.

    From the article you cited:

    “Employers will contribute 7.3% with 8.2% paid by employees.”

    No individual in Germany is contributing 15% of their gross pay for health insurance. 8.2% will be paid by the employee. Still a bit high, but I’m willing to bet you would find some people paying that in this country.

    Of course, for the millions in this country who don’t have health insurance, these numbers mean absolutely nothing because they’re either paying 100% or they’re going without insurance.

  260. 264 cstratct

    By the way, if most individuals in this country WITH employer-related coverage were required to pay half the actual full premium, I’m pretty certain 8-10% (or more) would be commonplace. If I had to pay half my monthly premium I’d be at 8%. Based on this article it would appear the German people are paying about 53% of their monthly premium.

    As Jezebel has pointed out numerous times and I agree with wholeheartedly, people in this country have very little knowledge regarding the actual costs of their health insurance premiums. They know the amount they pay each month but are clueless as to how much health insurance really costs.

    And that’s just the premium itself, not co-pays for office visits or prescriptions. How much in out-of-pocket expenses would you estimate you pay each month? Add that to the amount you pay for your portion of insurance. Does that change the equation at all? It does for a lot of people.

    If your employer were to require a greater contribution towards your health insurance premium (say half) what would the percentage of gross pay be then?

  261. 265 jezebel282

    I might as well say it again. Most people are completely unaware of what their own medical costs are.

    A typical office visit (for a cold or flu) typically runs $150 (or more). Although most people think the $20 co pay is it.

    Lipitor anyone? $100+ for 30 tablets.

    A little Darvocet maybe? $90 for 30 tablets.

    Having lived in Germany for a couple of years, never once, not a single time, not even when drunk did anyone ever complain about healthcare.

  262. 266 sudds

    “Still a bit high, but I’m willing to bet you would find some people paying that in this country.”

    Agreed… SOME people… NOT everyone!!!

    “not even when drunk did anyone ever complain about healthcare.”

    I’m guess that this has done a “180” in the last 14 hours!!!

  263. 267 sudds

    PS…

    “Of course, for the millions in this country who don’t have health insurance, these numbers mean absolutely nothing because they’re either paying 100% or they’re going without insurance.”

    I’m starting to think that these are the lucky ones!!! My brother does NOT have a health insurance… this past Saturday he went to Yale New Haven Hospital and was treated just like I would have been… only his cost was $0.00!!!

  264. 268 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “My brother does NOT have a health insurance… this past Saturday he went to Yale New Haven Hospital and was treated just like I would have been… only his cost was $0.00!!!”

    WHAT??? Our tax dollars paid for another Sudds? Where does it stop??!!

  265. 269 cstratct

    No wonder our premiums are so high! We’ve got deadbeats like the one Sudds just described feeding off the system without paying for the services they receive.

    Sorry Sudds, I had to jump on the bandwagon with Jezebel! 🙂

  266. 270 cstratct

    By the way Sudds, with this comment, “I’m starting to think that these are the lucky ones!!!”, it appears you’re now advocating for government-sponsored healthcare. If your brother is one of the “lucky ones,” his bills will be covered by the government.

    Are you now suggesting that is the way to go? Talk about a 180!

  267. 271 1george1

    Ostriches

  268. 272 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “I had to jump on the bandwagon with Jezebel! ”

    Sudds sure built that bandwagon BIG, didn’t he?

  269. 273 1george1

    Who in the “audience” pays 15% of their gross pay for Health Insurance???

    (note: Lord knows that Misses Sudds and I do NOT pay that!!!!)

    Stratford BoE + Town pay 12 % of the INFLATED PREMIUM for Health Care,
    which may allow for Kick Backs to the Facilitators?

    The $ 16-17,000 balance PER is born by Tax Payers.

    My suspicions about the March 18 break in and murderers was confirmed
    last night, intuitively.

  270. 274 sudds

    “WHAT??? Our tax dollars paid for another Sudds? Where does it stop??!!”

    ANOTHER Sudds??? What do my tax dollars get me other than garbage pickup???

    “it appears you’re now advocating for government-sponsored healthcare…. Are you now suggesting that is the way to go?”

    No!!! Mrs. Sudds and I want more than just emergency services… so we do what anyone who wants somethign should do… PAY FOR IT!!!

  271. 275 sudds

    PS… cstratct…

    I LOVE the new avatar!!! 😀

  272. 276 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “so we do what anyone who wants somethign should do… PAY FOR IT!!!”

    Did you write a check to Yale New Haven to cover your brother’s expense?

  273. 277 1george1

    Jeze,
    Are you suggesting Sudds should be his bother’s keeper,
    or do something nice without political remunification?

    I think Sudds has posted about running charity event(s)?

  274. 278 cstratct

    Thanks Sudds. Yes, Calvin and Hobbes is still the best cartoon ever written. The Far Side is close, but C&H was brilliant on many levels.

    Now, about that check you wrote to Yale New Haven . . . 🙂

    The point both Jezebel and I were making about people in this country not really knowing how much healthcare costs is consistent with your comments. It’s difficult to determine the impact of healthcare costs from this article because it doesn’t talk about the overall costs per capita or the relation to GDP.

    A more detailed analysis of that is found here:

    http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm

    An exerpt from the document:

    “It is reasonably well known that for some time the United States has spent more per capita on health care than other countries. What may be less well known is that the United States has had one of the highest growth rates in per capita health care spending since 1980 among higher income countries. Health care spending around the world generally is rising at a faster rate than overall economic growth, so almost all countries have seen health care spending increase as a percentage of their gross domestic product (GDP) over time. In the United States, which has had both a high level of health spending per capita and a relatively high rate of real growth in that spending, the share of GDP devoted to health grew from 8.8% of GDP in 1980 to 15.2% of GDP in 2003.”

    If you look at Exhibit 1 in the document, you’ll see that in 2003 total healthcare expenditures per capita in Germany were $2,983. Per capita spending in the United States: $5,711. Almost double per capita. The real question is what the spending is in actual dollars (or euros), as using percentages can sometimes distort the issue.

  275. 279 sudds

    QUESTION:

    If Obamacare is about doing what is best for the “average joe”, and finally stopping excess charges by doctors, hospitals, and Big Pharma…

    …why is Big Pharma supporting Harry Reid???

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Drug-lobby-showers-money-on-its-hero-Harry-Reid-97882064.html

  276. 280 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “why is Big Pharma supporting Harry Reid???”

    Umm…they don’t like Sharon Angle’s idea of trading chickens for meds?

  277. 281 1george1

    Reads like we have a couple of colors and flavors of Kool Aid.

  278. 282 cstratct

    Okay, do we really have to “connect the dots” on the Washington Examiner?

    The Washington Examiner is owned by Philip Anschutz (a conservative Christian) who owns Clarity Media Group, a Denver-based publishing group that includes the San Francisco Examiner, Washington Examiner and, wait for it . . . The Weekly Standard.

    There’s got to be a way to link this back to Kevin Bacon in some way! Wait, I know, Anschutz also owns more than half of Regal Entertainment Group, which is the largest movie theatre chain in the world, which plays Kevin Bacon movies!

    How about that?! Kevin Bacon is linked to the Washington Examiner by only 4 steps.

    Oops, sorry I digress. Anyway if you read the article Reid isn’t even the top Pharma PAC’s money recipient. That distinction belongs to none other than Republican Senator Richard Burr or North Carolina. Odd that the article doesn’t say how much Burr actually brought in ($218,619 to be exact).

    Now here’s some actual details with respect to Pharma donations.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=H04

    By the way, Open Secrets is a great resource for this type of information. Look at 2000-2002. Republicans raked in well over $18M in those years. Now it’s easy to understand how the Medicare Part B bill got through Congress (with a big old loophole). The total the Dems received in 2010 isn’t even half what Republicans received a year from 2000-2002.

  279. 283 mayor2013

    Vote for NY Yankee Nick Swisher to make the final spot in the all star game.
    go to yankees.com and vote as often as you can.

  280. 284 jezebel282

    2013,

    WHAT????

    You mean the entire Yankee roster isn’t on the all star starting lineup?

  281. 285 1george1

    Swisher is a very personable player with decent ability and stats.

    However, I think Strasburg is the AL player who should be named
    to the All Star game despite limited (phenomenal) experience.

    Some experts claim he already has the BEST Fastball and Curve, in
    the MAJOR LEAGUES.

    IF HE STAYS HEALTHY, Strausburg’s potential is somewhere between
    Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan, with very strong Hall potential.

    Swicher has nice talent and great personality.
    Strasburg has All Star Talent who overwhelmed minor league and
    major league hitters, in his brief time as a pro.

  282. 286 sudds

    “Some experts claim he already has the BEST Fastball and Curve, in
    the MAJOR LEAGUES.”

    Some people also said that Harkins would be a great mayor! Like Chuck D said Georgie-Boy… “Don’t believe the Hype”!!!

  283. 287 1george1

    Chris,
    According to a conversation with a college student, she claimed
    that most USA MEDIA was controlled by about a dozen people or
    companies.

    Hypothetically – If that were true …..

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-12756

  284. 288 1george1

    I wonder if it is a hazard of the journalistic profession?
    – Weizel allegedly arrested for shop lifting a comb. A COMB?
    – WTNH Fontaine arrested for shop lifting a $ 100 + / stuff?

    Sad coincidence.
    Sylvia thought Weizel was the best reporter ever.
    Within 1 – 2 months of Sylvia’s death, Weizel gone from CT. POST.

    Weizel : Sylvia :: Tris (Bard) DeRoma: Me

    Tris, like several others, was chased to move out of state.

    Eli’s coming.
    Better hide your heart.

  285. 289 cstratct

    George,

    Let’s start here: Steven Strasburg plays for the Washington Nationals, a National League team. Unless the Nats GM totally lost his mind, Strasburg would not be playing for the AL.

    As for the other post, sorry George, I just couldn’t get through it. I tried, but sometimes I have no clue where you’re going with this stuff. Your non sequiturs are off-putting and make some of your posts unreadable. Sorry.

  286. 290 1george1

    Chris,
    I wanted to see if anyone was paying attention on AL vs. NL.
    You passed.
    Everyone else….

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-12757

  287. 291 jezebel282

    Update:

    The Senate managed to invoke cloture on the unemployment extension. (Cloture = cutting off debate).

    The Republicans, however, insist on the procedural 30 hour wait before actually voting on the bill.

    The Senate bill reduces benefits by $25/week to the unemployed (is that a dinner for four?), eliminates COBRA subsidies (there goes the families health care) and does absolutely nothing for the “99’ers” (those who have been unemployed the longest). Because of these changes the bill must go back to the House.

    In the meantime, there are STILL 5 applicants for every job opening. That means that no matter what job is open, 4 people will remain unemployed.

    The only Democratic Senator to vote against the extension was Ben Nelson of Nebraska. You remember Benny don’t you? He opposes derivative regulation too. He also owns $6 million worth of Berkshire Hathaway shares.

    Oh…and the solution offered by the Republicans is to extend and expand the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans.

  288. 292 1george1

    UNEMPLOYMENT / UNDEREMPLOYMENT increases ENLISTMENTS

    VERY GOOD JOBS with PAID BENEFITS – not “JOBS” is the KEY ISSUE,
    to rapidly rebuild the USA Economy, Reduce personal / national
    debt, build a future for the American people, where the COLD WAR
    ECONOMIC MODEL has been dismanteled, but the MARSHALL PLAN
    FORMULA, is an ADAM SMITH PARADIGM

    Google Galbraith “the Planning system”

    A top 5 search shows that in early 1970s Galbraith refers to the
    top 3,000 – 4,000 largest and wealthiest Businesses who can control
    their own environment.

    What that search does not show is that those top 3,000 – 4,000 companies
    were a direct result of WW II, where the USA MARSHALL PLAN rebuilt
    Western Europe, Japan & Pacific Rim, and restructures all of the former
    Colonies and Protectorates.

    The Pentagon / Military Intelligence set up Constitutions, Corporations,
    and assisted Private ownerships.

    – Many WW II Generals and other wars’ rank officers sat / sit on Boards
    of Directors or the MOST IMPORTANT Multinationals.

    They also set up the political infrastructure of those occupied countries,
    and influence puppet dictators.

    The Democratic and Republican parties control 99 % of the elected and
    appointed at every level of the USA.
    – Until Rockefeller / Clinton / Gore every President / VP was ex-military

    Control the WAR COLLEGES and you CONTROL the WORLD.

    Convert the CULTURE of DISTRUCTION and CORRUPTION
    into the CULTURE of CONSTRUCTION and INTEGRITY = ??

  289. 293 jezebel282

    After delaying and delaying extending unemployment benefits to millions of Americans, cutting of COBRA subsidies and cutting off millions more from any aid whatsoever because it would add 0.05% to the deficit, Congress approved an additional $59 BILLION in funding for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. No mention of the deficit this time.

    It may be that if Congress had taken that same $93 BILLION and applied it to some of the 17 million unemployed Americans they could feed their families, keep their homes and apartments and stay healthy.

    But hey, who would want to do that? I know, let’s go on vacation starting Friday and not come back till September.

  290. 294 1george1

    Maybe the time has come to change the names and symbols of the
    Democratic and Republican parties?

    Jeze, can we have a contest?
    NAMES: CANNIBALS + GHOULS (KKK members already call themselves)
    SYMBOLS: VULTURES + RAVENS
    JACKALS AND HYENA (spelling?)

    Other catagories welcomed for suggestions.

  291. 295 sudds

    Didn’t Super-Bama campaign that he would have us out of Afghanistan & Iraq by now???

  292. 296 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Didn’t Super-Bama campaign that he would have us out of Afghanistan & Iraq by now???”

    No. That was Hillary.

  293. 297 sudds

    YOU doubt the New York Times??? 😛

    “WASHINGTON — On the campaign trail, Senator Barack Obama offered a pledge that electrified and motivated his liberal base, vowing to “end the war” in Iraq.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html

    If the guy could have upheld just ONE of his campaign promises we could EVERYONE in the country unemployment!!!

  294. 298 sudds

    Oops… “we could PAY everyone in…”

  295. 299 cstratct

    Sudds,

    Seriously, do you even read the articles you post?

    “I said that I would remove our combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, with the understanding that it might be necessary — likely to be necessary — to maintain a residual force to provide potential training, logistical support, to protect our civilians in Iraq…”

    At his news conference in Chicago on Monday, Mr. Obama emphasized his willingness to listen to the advice from senior officers and that of his new national security team, which includes Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, the first Pentagon chief in history to continue serving under a newly elected president; Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and, as national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, the retired four-star Marine officer who served as NATO’s supreme commander.

    Hmmm, perhaps he is listening to the advice from senior officers and taking a prudent course based on current conditions rather than jumping in head first without the proper strategies in place.

    Campaign promises:

    Stimulus – passed
    Financial reform – passed
    Healthcare reform – passed
    New Afghanistan strategy – in place

    Really Sudds, it’s like you’re being deliberately lazy with your criticisms. . . oh wait, never mind.

  296. 300 sudds

    You have learned well young liberal!!! this is a decent attempt at trying to cover up a blatant lie, but how about if we reprint the ENTIRE line…

    “I said that I would remove our combat troops from Iraq in 16 months, with the understanding that it might be necessary — likely to be necessary — to maintain a residual force to provide potential training, logistical support, to protect our civilians in Iraq,” Mr. Obama said this week as he introduced his national security team.

    This week = 12/030/08… i.e. several months AFTER he made his campaign promises!!!

    July 11, 2008 – ABC News:

    “Whatever nuance Barack Obama is now adding to his Iraq withdrawal strategy, the core plan on his Web site is as plain as day: Obama would “immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”

  297. 301 sudds

    “Really Sudds, it’s like you’re being deliberately lazy with your criticisms. . . oh wait, never mind.”

    This coming from someone who needs to mislead others in order to try and cover-up the failures of others!!!

    No wonder why the Shakespeare Theatre is still closed… we have LIARS like you who keep trying to stick their greedy little hands into the pot!!!

  298. 302 cstratct

    Okay Sudds,

    You want to cross that line?

    Do tell, what “pot” have I stuck my hand in? Please provide any proof you have that I have personally benefitted from anything relating to the Shakespeare Theatre. Put up or shut up time you obnoxious weasel.

    I’m sick and tired of anonymous creeps like you making blatently false accusations and having no accountability. So let’s hear it or see it. Show your proof that I’m benefitting personally from anything relating to the Theatre.

    The Theatre is closed for a myriad of reasons, NONE of which have to do with my tenure on the Arts Commission.

    If you had any courage at all you would make these comments to my face instead of posting them anonymously like a coward.

  299. 303 cstratct

    By the way, perhaps if your buddies Julian or Henrick (or any of the others who wasted time with a terrible proposal) would have actually taken the time to realize the debacle that was being created by Bill Hanney they never would have accepted his “plan” (and I use the term very loosely) in the first place.

    We wasted two years on nothing because that is exactly what Mr. Hanney provided in his “plan”: nothing.

    The new town attorney and Mayor Harkins obviously agreed. From what I hear, that caused more than a few ruffled feathers among the outgoing council members.

  300. 304 1george1

    Hey sudds,
    What about the possibility that the Obama administration used
    a cutout to leak 92,000 documents about the AFGHAN WAR?

    Could the “effect” be an earlier removal of troops than the ARMY
    and BUSH / CHENEY want, and ASSIST getting back to the proposed
    OBAMA Time Table on Afghanistan.

    Google the Leon Panetta interview on …. June 7, 2010. (I Believe date)
    I watched / listened TWICE.
    Most of OSAMA BIN LADEN people are in PAKISTAN with LESS than 100
    TALIBAN in AFGHANISTAN?

    This meet the press type interview was at the end of a week with OVER
    100 USA dead?

    Who are killing USA soldiers, IF there are LESS than 100 TALIBAN in AFGHANISTAN?

    Maybe the SAME PEOPLE who committed FRATICIDE vs. PAT TILLMAN?

    I wonder what would happen if General McCrystal remembered the CODE
    of MILITARY JUSTICE, U. S. CODE, and Oath to defend U.S. CONSTITUTION
    from enemies foreign and domestic?

  301. 305 1george1

    Someone I like told me Henrich was very intelligent.

    Sometimes very intelligent people cuase probles for others,
    to benefit themselves, their party, their group, or others,
    where they may have a political belief it is RIGHT?

    Sometimes the easier people to con, are conmen?

    I do not like what Henrick and Crudo did to ED BEEFY HARGUS.
    Nor do I like the people who told them what to do.

    I do not like what Henrick, Feehan, and other (R) and
    Mirons/Burturlas did to Shakespeare theater and Stratford.

    Unless and until the Town Council, Zoning, Mayor and other offices
    are held by people with a different political agenda …..
    same shi….. different day.

  302. 306 1george1

    I think Henrick and some others have started to realize.

    Then there are the political NIBELUNG holding on to …

  303. 307 1george1

    Can we rename the democrats and republicans?

    Like they believe in a true democracy or true republic?

    My suggestions:
    Cannibals
    and
    Ghouls

    No reflection on the FDR Democrats or the Lincoln / Ike Republicans.

  304. 308 sudds

    “If you had any courage at all you would make these comments to my face instead of posting them anonymously like a coward.”

    LOL… and what difference would that make???

    The “guy” from the Arts Commission or the former rugby player… TRUST ME… anything you might have is a REALLY BAD idea!!! 😛

  305. 309 sudds

    “Do tell, what “pot” have I stuck my hand in? ”

    That “pot” is called our Town Budget!!! How much of the funds that are going to be given to the Arts Commission would we taxpayers have had to fund if Yale was offering FREE shows to the public (just like they do in the Yale Rep Theatre)???

  306. 310 jezebel282

    Boys!

    Please!

    Geeze, I go to the E.R. for a few hours….

  307. 311 sudds

    “Geeze, I go to the E.R. for a few hours….”

    YIKES… I hope things are ok!!!

  308. 312 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “YIKES… I hope things are ok!!!”

    Shhh! I’m looking up atrial fibrillation now.

  309. 313 jezebel282

    OK, whew…..everything should be fine.

    Sudds, no offense but this Town can’t even accept a $41,000 gift without the Town Attorney billing us a few hours and some people wanting to hire a consultant. It’s a GIFT for Chrissakes!

    How easy do you think it would be for this Town to GIVE away a piece of crap building? Even for free?

  310. 314 cstratct

    Sudds,

    You are so far off the mark you’re in another galaxy. You’re a coward, plain and simple. You make a spurious accusation with NO PROOF while cowering in anonyminity and I’m supposed to take anything you say seriously?

    You implied I was somehow benefiting personally from what is taking place with the Theatre. This couldn’t be farther from the truth but you’re not really interested in the truth are you Sudds?

    Making wild, false accusations is really easy when you’re sitting at a keyboard posting anonymously. Any coward can do that. Have the courage of your convictions and make those accusations directly to the individual. You’re a big talker on this blog, but I’m guessing not so much when you have to address someone face to face.

    You said – “TRUST ME” . . . What a joke!

    Your Yale “idea” is short-sighted. Yale already has a venue. While Yale might engage with an organization that would operate the theatre, the university wouldn’t take on a project like you are describing by themselves. At most they would coordinate a training program of some sort to take place in conjunction with the organization running the theatre. It would be a strategic partnership, but they would not take on the responsibility for programming the facility year-round. It’s a drama program, and whatever eventually happens with the theatre there will likely be more than just plays and musicals taking place there. The programming would go beyond the Drama school’s area of expertise.

    While Yale does offer SOME free performances, they have a subscription season like most other regional and university theatres. So the idea that free performances would be offered all the time is ridiculous.

    As for my ideas, I’ll put them up against your misguided and uninformed ideas any day of the week.

    Finally, for what it’s worth, perhaps you should take a look at the Arts Commission page on the town website before speaking out your a**.

  311. 315 sudds

    I don’t know about easy, but it has GOT to be cheaper than continuing the insurance, grounds maintenance, security, etc, etc, etc that the town has been paying for years and years and years and…!!!

    This doesn’t even include the savings the town could yield by NOT having to fund private organizations such as…

    http://www.festivalstratford.com/ (Blues on the Beach is sponsored by the Office of the Mayor…)

  312. 316 sudds

    “Shhh! I’m looking up atrial fibrillation now.”

    Good luck… I’ll pray for you(?)!!! (I’m sure the Big-Guy will know who the person I need to be praying for here is)

  313. 317 1george1

    The “guy” from the Arts Commission or the former rugby player…
    Isn’t RUGBY a COCKNEY term for QUEERS’s GRAB BAG? 8)
    Or is that RUG BURNS? 🙂

    Sudds, instead of gripin on the penny ante stuff, why not ask if there is,
    or who is getting the KICK BACK on the BoE Health Insurance plan?
    $ 18,683 premium
    -$ 2,429 employ cost
    $ 16,459 cost per Teacher and Board of Ed Employee to Sudds + Jeze

    – $ 7,200 cost of a private sector HSA

    = $ 9,259 extra cost of BoE HSA and how much kick back goes to ….. ? 😦

    Sudds, do you want your nipples pinched.

    Some people like to be kissed when they are getting *****-ed

    The Benefit Package, including Retirement for Teachers, Police, Fire,
    PW, etc. is about $ 140 % of Base Pay.

    Private Sector Employers gripe about 40 % of Base Pay Benefit Packages
    including SS + MEDICAID + FICA.

    Who are the MANAGERS, ATTORNEYS, FINANCE people responsible?

    Who gets all the extra BIG BUCKS while file Town Committee members
    and employees get the CRUMBS?

  314. 318 1george1

    The Health Insurance $$ ## s was taken from Ben Branyan presentation
    to the GAVIN FORRESTER Board of Education.

    Hey GAVIN – I hope you are OK.

    Whenever I raise PENSION + HEALTH INSURANCE ISSUES, you disappear
    from the blog for a couple months, never to DEBATE ISSUES?

    Sudds / Jeze / Chris – here is a gem.

    $ 51,100 teacher position tentatively to be eliminated (the check’s in the mail)
    $ 14,352 UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE on $ 51,100?

    Over 60 % of Teachers are at TOP PAY average over $ 90,000
    est UNEMPLOYMENT per that 60 % = $ 26,000 times 250 – 300 = ouch!

    Sorry STAR
    186 Teaching DAYS per year
    CONTRACTUAL Teaching HOURS per DAY – ABOUT 4
    PENSION
    UNEMPLOYMENT
    SS + MEDICAID +
    SICK LEAVE
    VACATION
    Holidays = already factored.
    HEATED in WINTER
    AC in SUMMER
    PAVED PARKING near work
    Manual Cafeteria on site, LOW PRICES
    EQUIPMENT provided
    EXPENSES covered.

    And I am pro-union / pro worker.
    Every american should have many of these situations found in command
    economy within government employment, government contractors, unions,
    and certain businesses.

    It goes along with Milton Friedman’s views about dependible income, which
    affects disposable income. Consumer spending is 70% of GDP / GNP.
    Because fewer consumers control most of the money and have less need
    to spend a high percent on life staples …. like the poor to upper middle
    class. …..

    Milton Friedman was Reagan’s economic adviser and it turned out the Bush
    – Rockefeller – Cheney – Military – Industrial Complex has gutted the USA
    Economy, along with the demoncrats.

  315. 319 1george1

    How Wall Street Will Beat the New Financial Regulations
    CNBC Wed July 28 @ 1:07

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13040

  316. 320 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Good luck… I’ll pray for you(?)!!!”

    Thanks! But it’s not me.

    No partying yet for our corrupt and incompetent politicians.

  317. 321 jezebel282

    Today Congress left town.

    The Senate Republicans managed to defeat the Small Business Lending Bill today. The House turned down extra help for 9/11 emergency responders today and both of them lowered unemployment compensation by $25/week, pushed the longest term unemployed over the cliff and ended Cobra subsidies. That means most unemployed (15-17 MILLION of them) are now one emergency room visit away from bankruptcy.

    Congress will not reconvene until after Labor Day. While every Representative and a lot of Senators go home to tell voters what a good job they did.

  318. 322 1george1

    The 99ers took a stand on Wall Street Thursday.

    A throng of desperate job-hunters —
    who’ve been out of work so long their unemployment benefits ran out
    — staged a protest rally on the steps of Federal Hall.

    “Are you going to tell us, President Obama and Congress,
    that our lives are not worth saving?” asked 99er Connie Kaplan.

    She had to move in with her daughter in Astoria,
    Queens to survive and gets food from food banks.
    —— skip to end
    About 1.4 million Americans have been out of work more than 99 weeks, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s when unemployment benefits run out in states with the highest unemployment rates.

    “A man without a job is like a man that does not exist,”
    said 99er Rubin Edwards, 48, of Clinton Hill, Brooklyn,
    who came to the rally dressed n a suit and tie.
    “I hope and pray for my future in America today.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/12/2010-08-12_new_yorks_jobless_99ers_channel_anger_in_wall_street_protest_demand_unemployment.html#ixzz0wQgEmn1W

  319. 323 jezebel282

    George,

    “The 99ers took a stand on Wall Street Thursday.”

    It’s about freakin’ time!

    Especially at the place that destroyed 17 million jobs.

    200,000 Americans become 99’ers every single month.

  320. 324 1george1

    Jeze,
    You may want to look at your posts and my posts in the summer of 2008.
    Unfortunately I was well ahead of the curve on these issues.
    I have welcomed you to the issues, and we agree on the dystopia.

    WALL STREET Boards and Officers all take MARCHING ORDERS from …. ?

    Senators and Congress all take MARCHING ORDERS from …. ?

    Pentagon runs 17 Intelligence Depts/Agency and all take MARCHING ORDERS from …. ?

    In the late 1980s during Reagan term 2, I purchased a book from the American
    Enterprise Institute …. “who runs america?”

    However the closest I have come to the likely people which Eisenhower
    called Military Industrial (& Congress) Complex + Scientific Technological
    Elite was in JK Galbraith book, describing “The Planning System.”

    You can google “The Intelligence cycle.”
    THAT description has not changed in 24 years, when CIA + DOD +
    JUSTICE sent me fact books, that I requested!

    Most interesting was the DOD fact book had Clark Clifford’s name
    and one of the KEATING 5’s names (I forget which) under each
    other’s pictures.

    WIKIPEDIA KEATING 5 – Practicing for JUNE – SEPT 2008
    Lincoln Savings and Loan collapsed in 1989, at a cost of over $3 billion
    to the federal government.
    Some 23,000 Lincoln bondholders were defrauded and many elderly
    investors lost their life savings.
    The substantial political contributions that Keating had made to each
    of the senators, totaling $1.3 million, attracted considerable public
    and media attention.

    The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he
    called on those Senators to help him resist regulators.
    > The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.

    I WONDER IF THEY KNEW Bernie Madoff, Mike Milken, and Henry Paulson?
    Or Jay Rockefeller, W Bush, Cheney, or GHW Bush?

    Actually all of them and Obama, Pelosi, and Reed are just media fodder
    for fairy tales.

  321. 325 jezebel282

    George,

    “You may want to look at your posts and my posts in the summer of 2008.
    Unfortunately I was well ahead of the curve on these issues.”

    Actually, in 2008 Hillary was the first to propose extending unemployment benefits. THIS time millions of Americans who have always worked have been thrown of the cliff by their companies and their government.

    As for the rest of your post…..

  322. 326 1george1

    I was referring to the economy and not unemployment benefits.

    It is better economics to have a modern version of the WPA where
    pay higher than previously earned would be used for government
    projects.

    Unemployment lowers government revenues and lowers discretionary
    spending, which consumer spending is 70 % of GDP.

    Increasing everyone’s PAY a lot, is supposedly INFLATIONARY, but it
    also increases GOVERNMENTS REVENUES and increases GDP / GNP.

    Classic examples are:
    China, India, and Brazil.
    Germany and Japan after WW II became # 2 + # 3 world economies.
    Western Europe and Pacific Rim being used for Defense under the
    KEENAN LONG WIRE to contain the USSR, forced urgency + committment.

    These were called COMMAND ECONOMIES, where some could legitimately
    call them both SOCIALISM and the INVISIBLE HAND of FREE ENTERPRISE?

    The George Marshall speach identified situations far, far, far worse than
    the world today.

    Unfortunately, I believe the BAD GUYS control the highest levels of
    government …. far higher than Executive, Legislative, or Judicial.

    They are the Morelocks. We are the Eloi.

  323. 327 jezebel282

    Response to Portia:

    I have excerpted a few lines from Portia’s previous post https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/leaving-money-on-the-table/#comment-13218 that are representative of the positions and responding here.

    The primary reason being that I consider EMS’s failure in their responsibility to Stratford residents important enough to avoid diluting that particular topic.

    So…here we go:

    “Republicans and Democrats favor repealing or at least blunting the Privileges and Immunities Clause of that amendment”
    I actually haven’t heard that any Democrats favored any sort of “blunting”. Although you can never tell with Ben Nelson (D-NE). Why on Earth would anyone want to blunt extending the Bill of Rights throughout the Untied States? The answer is that they wouldn’t. It is merely a backdoor solution to Immigration regulation. There can be no simpler method of determining citizenship than birthplace. Were that not the case, there may be none of us left that can be legally called a “citizen”. I know I was not issued a U.S. Passport upon birth. It is a silly idea from silly people.

    “but the ridiculous inclusion of other items in the bill, such as the blatantly anti-job creation new tax on venture capitalists.”
    You may be the only person I have read that has a soft spot for venture capitalists. Nonetheless, I agree that legislative tactics such as earmarks, riders and irrelevant amendments are an anathema to creation of law. Neither party has the will to stop it.

    “So the reason to support expiration or, preferably, extension with serious amendment, of the Bush tax cuts is not to facilitate the confiscation of another estimated $200 billion from the rich”
    “Confiscation”? Really? The surest way to be taxed in this country is to receive a regular paycheck. There are legions of accountants who protect the rich from “confiscation”. There is a reason it is called “unearned” income. Can you explain why Ken Lewis (CEO, BoA) should pay lower taxes?

    “I support unions provided workers can be paid based on merit and are free to associate or not associate with whatever union they please.”
    This goes back to that swinging pendulum. Clearly, the reason unions exist at all is management. Do we go back to low wages, unsafe conditions, 60+ hour work weeks, child labor or piece work? If there were no unions there would be no labor laws. If they were all disbanded (to the delight of Republicans) how long would it be until all labor laws were repealed? Have unions taken advantage? Perhaps. But let’s keep in mind that all the so-called unfair work rules and closed shops were negotiated with management who obviously thought that they would maintain profitability even with these concessions. It is an age-old question of strike vs. lock-out.

    “he automatically became a member of the union, and was therefore entitled to the same collective bargaining agreement determined salary, benefits, and solidarity as any other officer regardless of how undeserving or how his fellow union members felt about his case.”
    Did I miss the point here? How is Local 407 to blame for having a contract that protects union members?

    “In the private sector, individuals choose money managers and must accept the consequences of their decisions.”
    This is simply an overstatement. Most individuals do NOT choose their money managers. Most simply allow a portion of their paycheck to be deducted and placed in a 401K (or equivalent) chosen by their employer. Let us point out here that we are talking BILLIONS and perhaps trillions of dollars of capital that these money managers have access to. Not to mention the management fees and commissions.
    It is, nonetheless, a losing proposition. You a very limited even if you chose to “self direct” your own funds. For example, it is illegal to maintain a margin account with 401K (or equivalent) funds. Without a margin account (as you well know) you cannot sell short. You are therefore limited to gambling that the equity value of your investment will always go up (buying long). This is simply ridiculous.

    “Individual taxpayers, after all, are the ones who can best decide how to utilize 12.4% of their yearly incomes.The Amish…. seem to be doing just fine without government inducements to sin, I mean, benefits”
    The fallacy here is that individual taxpayers would know how to properly invest 12.4% of their yearly income (see above). I’m not sure how many Republicans are emulating the Amish lifestyle, by the way. I myself have grown quite accustomed to electricity.

  324. 328 1george1

    What the Double-Dip Recession Will Look Like
    by Douglas A. McIntyre
    Monday, August 16, 2010
    24/7 Wall St.
    This is an abreviated version using only 1 part of paragraphs in 1-3,
    the rest are full posts:

    “Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the economy has yet to hit
    bottom, a sharply higher percentage than the 53% who felt that way
    in January,” according to a recent Wall Street Journal poll.

    1. Housing

    The cost of homes in the areas where prices have already dropped
    by 50% or more will continue to fall. These regions typically have the
    highest unemployment rates, the local governments are hard pressed
    to offer basic services, and potential buyers are aware that home
    prices could drop further.
    Real estate values in these areas could drop another 20%.

    (I believe Dave Killeen presented to the Town Council that over 1/2
    of Stratford Home Owners were both underwater and living pay
    check to pay check. YET:
    The Town Council increased the Mil Rate 9.5 %)

    2. Unemployment

    Unemployment would move back above 10% quickly.
    In the 1982 recession, the jobless rate was over 10% for 20 consecutive
    months and reached 10.8% for two months.
    During this period, the manufacturing base had not been destroyed.
    The economy is now arguably worse than it was in 1982.

    (I have seen a minimum of 40 % of over 50 employee companies gone!!)

    3. Consumer Spending

    One of the primary reasons that consumer buying activity did not grind
    to a halt at the beginning of the last recession was that people still had
    access to a huge reservoir of home equity loans, most of which were
    taken out at the peak of the real estate market in 2005 and 2006.

    The New York Times recently reported that “lenders wrote off as
    uncollectible $11.1 billion in home equity loans and $19.9 billion in
    home equity lines of credit in 2009, more than they wrote off on
    primary mortgages, government data shows.
    So far this year, the trend is the same.”

    (Consumer spending is 70 % of GNP / GDP)

    4. Consumer Confidence

    Consumer confidence, the critical gauge of the activity that represents
    two-thirds of U.S. GDP, will plummet again.
    The Conference Board’s Consumer Confidence Index would certainly
    move back toward the all-time low it hit in February 2009 when it
    reached 25. Currently, the measure in most months is closer to 60.
    (FULL SPOT)

    5. Auto Industry

    Auto sales, one of the primary barometers of consumer economic
    activity and manufacturing output, would probably drop back to
    recession levels.
    People concerned about employment will defer car purchases.
    Annual car sales in the U.S. were over 16 million in 2005 but dropped
    to just above 10 million in 2009. The car companies hope that domestic
    sales will rise to 11.5 million this year.
    In a double-dip recession, at least 1 million of those annual sales would
    be lost.
    (FULL SPOT – AUTOS AND AFTERMARKETS were 40 % of GNP in late 1960s HS)

    6. Trade

    The nominal balance of trade would almost certainly drop, probably
    to a deficit of $25 billion a month, as the U.S. takes in fewer imports
    due to low demand for consumer goods and business inventory.

    Exports would also drop because an economic crisis in the U.S.
    would spread quickly worldwide.

    This is because of the tremendous size of the U.S. GDP in relation to
    that of any other country. The drop in imports would be a signal that
    business activity had slowed in China, the rest of Asia and Europe.
    Demand for consumer and business goods would drop in most regions,
    forcing a nearly universal cut in jobs outside the U.S.

    7. Budget

    The budget deficit would grow beyond the $1.5 trillion it should
    reach this year. Treasury receipts fell to $2.1 trillion in the federal
    fiscal year 2009 and are down to $1.7 trillion so far in the 2010 period.

    If history is any guide, receipts in a second recession could drop
    by as much as $200 trillion a year as tax receipts from both business
    and individuals falter. The demand on the federal government to render
    aid to the unemployed could add $50 billion to annual government outlays.

    Unemployment insurance will cost Washington $44 billion this year.
    As states run out of money to cover benefits, more of the burden
    could fall to the federal government.

    8. National Debt

    The rise in the deficit and a rapid increase in the American
    national debt would cause concern among the capital markets
    investors who purchase U.S. Treasuries.
    The inability of the Treasury to rein in spending will cause borrowing
    to increase. This in turn could bring the government’s debt rating down,
    in turn causing U.S. borrowing costs to rise.
    Increasing costs will then raise the annual expenditure to run
    the government by increasing debt service.

    9. Stock Market

    If the performance of the equity markets in 2008 and early 2009
    is any indication, the S&P 500 would drop from its current level
    of about 1,100 to a low of 676, which it hit in March 2009.

    This would take trillions of dollars off business balance sheets and
    from consumer retirement and brokerage accounts.
    )And PENSION PORTFOLIOS)
    Businesses would become less likely to invest in new plants, equipment
    and services.
    For individuals, many would see a large part of their retirement disappear.
    That would cause a huge drop in consumer spending as people attempt to preserve cash, perpetuating further drops in the stock market.

    10. Banking

    The effect on most of the financial services industry would be
    catastrophic, particularly at the regional and community bank
    level where a number of home and commercial real estate loans
    are held. The FDIC would be forced to borrow money from the
    Treasury to cover bank closings.
    The number of failed banks could reach the level of the savings
    and loan crisis during which over 700 banks and mortgage lenders
    were shuttered.

    11. Interest Rates

    As the great majority of economists have pointed out, the Fed has already dropped interest rates to zero.
    This means the central bank is out of ammunition.

  325. 329 jezebel282

    And then, of course, there is George.

  326. 330 1george1

    Jeze – # 327 reply to Portia was very good post.
    We both agree and disagree

    The BILL of RIGHTS is under attack locally to NATIONALLY.
    Most people are ignorant of the Constitution and LAWS.
    By the time they realize ….
    By changing the rules – the dictatorship – empire can take effect.
    Local thugs do not yet realize how this works against them.

    Anti Job / anti venture Capitalists
    The problem with venture Capital is that many of the Bush – Big Oil –
    War Bucks, control the Capital.
    Do we want more jobs that perpetuate War – Crime – Drugs?
    High unemployment is good for military recruiting and consolidating
    control of power – bad for average americans.

    Bush Tax Reform – good for people with money.
    Not directly good for the 80 % of Americans who control 7 % of USA
    Financial Wealth.
    Suppose all 80 % had good paying jobs with benefits and discretionary
    income at businesses paying property taxes,
    decent energy efficient homes paying property tax.
    Would that improve or hurt the USA economy?

    Unions and Merit.
    Traditionally unions do not accept 2 tier pay which I saw implemented
    in the 1980s in the USPS. It pits senior workers vs. junior workers.
    When junior workers become the majority, they can trade the pensions
    of senior workers into ways to better benefit themselves.
    Something Stratford Pensioner failed to contemplate.
    When political people are hired, merit means nothing.
    Kinda like electing political people, who vote politically.
    G I G O

    Union Representation
    Honest Union representation can be bought off or scared off to make
    company representation.
    This intimidates membership to shut up and go along.
    No unlike DTC – RTC to shut up and go along, as free thinkers are pushed out.

    Individual Tax INVESTING 12.4% of yearly income
    The good part on not having ability to have margin accounts is the limit
    of damage of a down market, IF people do not have to SELL.

    A majority of Americans, a VAST MAJORITY INVEST NOTHING because of
    BILLS & EXPENSES exceeding or MATCHING REVENUE.

    The politic matrix needs to bribe Teachers, Police, Fire, and government
    workers, until they do not need them anymore.
    The Government PENSION GUARENTEE peaks at $ 40,000 annual PENSIONS.
    It is already oveloaded.
    It is likely to reduce to $ 30,000 or lower for existing and future PENSIONERS

  327. 331 1george1

    Before Y2K computer and communications people were hot and
    could get good pay and benefits.

    Once Y2K hit, demand dropped dramatically and tech Budgets
    started to drop. Rates of computer experts hit below $ 50 hour

    Now they exceed $ 100 hour, like Lawyers, because of VIRUS,
    SPYWARE, MALWARE.

    As the spiral of businesses close and downsize, they will lose customers
    and fees will drop, since BUDGETS will have to be cut.

    “The ROBBER BARONS” want NO COMPETITION and the new MONOPOLY
    will cause the USA Democratic Republic to become more ORWELLIAN as
    the NEWEST WORLD ORDER EMPIRE!

    It will control the RELIGIOUS ORDERS
    It will control the ANCIENT ORDERS (Secular)
    It controls the Military
    It controls the Bureacracy
    It controls the Executive
    It controls the Legislative
    It controls the Judicial
    It controls the Financial
    It control Academia
    It controls the Industrial
    It controls the Agrarian
    It control Communications, Technology, Transportation, and Energy.
    It has controlled personnel since the Depression / WW II.

    IT WANTS TO CONTROL (or destroy) PRIVATE INDUSTRY and PRIVATE
    PROPERTY, which it can strongly impact by taking out customer bases
    by undercutting by pricing like WALMART = “The company store.”

    It can overtax property of business and industry, like in Stratford.
    It can cause cost and hurt BUDGETS, by with hold FUNDS like Mandates.
    It can reduce Property Taxes by closing places like AVCO, RAYMARK, and many others, while Downsizing SIKORSKY, DRESSER and more…

  328. 332 jezebel282

    George,

    Technically, most people forget that what “capital” is. Capital is a resource like any other. It is no different than labor, parts, supplies, inventory or materials. There are few venture capital companies around (any more) than can actually evaluate a business plan. Instead they focus on mezzanine financing or third and fourth round investments.

    Banks, on the other hand are no longer in the business of investing capital through making loans regardless of collateral policies or credit histories. The simple truth is they can make easier money by borrowing from the Fed at zero percent and buying Treasuries that return 3+%, or they can take the capital to the casino and gamble it since the taxpayers will cover their losses.

  329. 333 portia1776

    Jez, I didn’t notice that you responded here to some of my earlier points. I am sorry to have missed this. Having just written a post of some length elsewhere, I hope you won’t mind a rather concise rejoinder. We have moved on since this discussion, so I have mainly sought to offer clarification and point our some logical anomalies.

    “I actually haven’t heard that any Democrats favored any sort of ‘blunting’. Although you can never tell with Ben Nelson (D-NE). Why on Earth would anyone want to blunt extending the Bill of Rights throughout the Untied States?…” – To their credit, you’re right, no Democrats have publicly expressed support for the inane amendment proposal being advanced by some Republicans.

    What I was referring to was the contentious legal history of the 14th Amendment, particularly its Privileges and Immunities clause, which has not only been blunted but has been a dead letter for over 100 years as a result of a series of racist Supreme Court rulings relating to individual political and economic rights of African Americans. My supposition is that, given the recent Supreme Court ruling in McDonald v. Chicago, which has breathed some new life into the Privileges and Immunities clause, perhaps the push for an amendment right about now has an ulterior motive. Most “Progressives” and Conservatives legal scholars share a disdain for the Privileges and Immunities clause. The article I linked to previously explains at some length what their respective motivations are for doing so.

    “You may be the only person I have read that has a soft spot for venture capitalists.” – I have a soft spot for what they, people like Ann Huntress Lamont, do: risk their capital in order to give entrepreneurs and innovators an opportunity to pursue their dreams. Seems counterproductive to, in an unemployment bill, include a new tax on people who actually create jobs.

    “Nonetheless, I agree that legislative tactics such as earmarks, riders and irrelevant amendments are an anathema to creation of law. Neither party has the will to stop it.” – Agreed. We have to make it politically unsustainable for either party to continue with these destructive tactics.

    “‘Confiscation’? Really? The surest way to be taxed in this country is to receive a regular paycheck. There are legions of accountants who protect the rich from ‘confiscation.’” – Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of the Black Swan, has an interesting take on this: “How can you have evolution if those who do the right thing have to finance those who did the wrong thing. So, if you were making money in 2009 — visibly, it means that you have a business that is robust in this cycle — you are paying more taxes to finance [the bailouts of those who are faltering]… and if you’re losing money in 2009, you get a bigger tax break.”

    Taxes, as regulations, are a necessary evil. What I am arguing is that we need a more equitable tax structure that takes into account Taleb’s insight and stops trying to allow politicians to experiment with social engineering and pander to their favored special interests — be they individuals or corporations receiving welfare. We have discussed how the rich will always be able to hire accounts to shield their assets, this is one of the reasons why tax revenues often fall short of projections based on an increased tax rate assumption.

    “There is a reason it is called ‘unearned’ income.” – I know that is what politicians and the IRS call interest on bank accounts and dividends, but exactly how is it “unearned”? As an investor, you have relinquished use of your money for a period of time, and perhaps even risked losing your principle entirely, in exchange for a currently pathetic return in a bank or for the potential of gain — but just as possible a loss — in the market. This is another misconception that results in bad policies, as evident by the government’s inducements for already over-indebted Americans to keep spending rather than start saving. Contrary to Washington myth, Americans are stupid: spending is down, savings are up, and a growing number of families are paying down their debts.

    “Can you explain why Ken Lewis (CEO, BoA) should pay lower taxes?” – that’s easy, he shouldn’t have been bailed out, in which case his salary prospects would have been made considerably lower. As an unfortunate consequence of the current system, his tax burden would also have been made lower, but I think that preferable to what we did do: hand billions of dollars over to his company and millions of dollars to him personally, only to get some of it back through taxation.

    “This goes back to that swinging pendulum. Clearly, the reason unions exist at all is management. Do we go back to low wages, unsafe conditions, 60+ hour work weeks… It is an age-old question of strike vs. lock-out.”

    This argument is a spin on the old Marxist interpretation of the labor environment, but perhaps it will be helpful to shed some light on the one-sidedness of your viewpoint: Employers exist to exploit workers and workers exist to exploit employers. Employers seek to pay the least amount of money possible to workers and get the most productivity out of them. Workers seek to get the most money out of their employers possible for the least amount of work.

    I reject this notion of a necessarily mutually antagonistic, “exploitative” employer-employee relationship. Still, it can’t be denied, that the self-interest of the worker and her employer are not always the same.

    On the union issues: Connecticut used to have a Right-to-Join law, which the most militant unions supported. It is their old positions that I have been advocating. Now, as ensconced public-sector monopolies, they have become exactly that which they previously struggled against: recalcitrant and reactionary protectors of the status quo, to the determinant of their mandatory members and taxpayers.

    Of course, we don’t want to go back to the sweatshops. Our society is sufficiently developed that no workers would tolerate such conditions, with or without laws against such things. As you said, a higher standard of living was achieved, in no small part, by individual workers joining together to demand better conditions… no government intervention was necessary.

    “Did I miss the point here? How is Local 407 to blame for having a contract that protects union members?” – Yes, you did. The 407 is not to blame. The anti-individual philosophy of unions, which have the effect of protecting mediocrities and bad members to the detriment of talented and good members, are.

    If put to a vote, I don’t think any of our finest would have supported their hard-earned dues going to support Justin Loschiavo against the Town of Stratford. Yet, under current rules, helpful know as “collective bargaining,” they had no say in the matter. If they had a choice to control who is allowed to be a member, he never would have been admitted in the first place.

    “This is simply an overstatement. Most individuals do NOT choose their money managers. Most simply allow a portion of their paycheck to be deducted and placed in a 401K (or equivalent) chosen by their employer.” – I concede that my original point was an overstatement, while noting your use of the word “allow,” signifying that even not choosing is a choice. The farther removed from the individual, the less accountable those managing an individual’s money will be.

    “It is, nonetheless, a losing proposition. You a very limited even if you chose to “self direct” your own funds…. This is simply ridiculous.” – I absolutely agree and would be interested in hearing your ideas on how to reform the system to be more transparent, allow for more individual choice-making, and generally more economic freedom.

    “The fallacy here is that individual taxpayers would know how to properly invest 12.4% of their yearly income (see above). I’m not sure how many Republicans are emulating the Amish lifestyle, by the way. I myself have grown quite accustomed to electricity.” – If individual taxpayers can’t be trusted to properly invest 12.4% of their yearly income than why do we trust these poor, helpless children with the other 87.6%?!!! At the rate things are going, a young person would be better off with a bank account earning 0.5% yearly than whatever Social Security might pay if they will ever be able to retire (a very pregnant”if” at this point). Very funny… we need take Al Gore’s hypocritical anti-modernist advice and emulate the Amish lifestyle in order to admire their moral virtues and the manner in which they live without taking any government entitlements, for instance, with their excellent mutual aid societies for the sick, poor, and elderly.

  330. 334 portia1776

    My statement above was perhaps too ironic:”Contrary to Washington myth, Americans are stupid: spending is down, savings are up, and a growing number of families are paying down their debts.” It should read “Americans are not stupid” for acting responsibly with their finances.

  331. 335 portia1776

    Oy, another erratum: “we need [not] take Al Gore’s hypocritical anti-modernist advice…”

  332. 336 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Oy, another erratum”

    Oy?

    As in “oy vey is meir”? Or perhaps “oy gevalt”?

  333. 337 1george1

    Portia referring to Jeze:
    “You may be the only person I have read that has a soft spot for venture capitalists.”
    – I have a soft spot for what they, people like Ann Huntress Lamont, do:
    risk their capital in order to give entrepreneurs and innovators an
    opportunity to pursue their dreams. Seems counterproductive to, in an unemployment bill, include a new tax on people who actually create jobs.

    “Nonetheless, I agree that legislative tactics such as earmarks, riders and irrelevant amendments are an anathema to creation of law.
    Neither party has the will to stop it.” – Agreed.

    George to Portia:
    About earmarks – you may want to read Washington Post writer Robert
    Kaiser’s “So Damn Much Money: The Triumph of Lobbying and the
    Corrosion of American Government.”
    – The book covers the origin of earmarks.
    – It looks fondly about his earlier generation of lawmakers and blasts the
    subsequent political gangs.

    Venture Capitalists:
    I guess you have not seen
    1) my posts on my Websites and Platforms to create jobs in Stratford and
    improving Stratford Business climate.
    2) my posts supporting an American Marshall Plan;
    3) my post for SEED MONEY for new business creations;
    4) my support for Venture Capital CMGI that helped create ebay and other
    companies. It ran into Y2K and an administration which stole america.

    Venture Capital has mostly been steered to politically connected and any
    potential unaffiliated Venture Capitalists, could be a danger to them.

    The price of OIL / Natural Gas / Coal has created the greatest transfer
    of Capital in History.

    Then they paid off the Wall Street insiders who know the money trails.
    So much for following the money.

    They needed to give money for protecting jobs of Police, Teachers, and
    Fire because so many relatives of political actors have those jobs and they
    allow business people to run for office, since their spouse has healthcare
    and steady income.

    If Americans are paying down debt, interest rates on credit cards still have
    been increasing.

    =====

    July had a 27 % decrease in Housing Sales.

    NO CREDIT is AVAILABLE for Home Buying, which is further crushing the
    cycle of Home Sales with 4,000,000 on the market and over 1,000,000
    foreclosed.

    It will get worse this winter, when heating oil cost $ 4 a gallon after they
    stage another terrorist attack.

  334. 338 portia1776

    George, the quick answer is that if politicians were not literally handing out billions of our taxpayer dollars to favored special interests (ranging from failed corporations to corrupt unions), there would be fewer lobbyists. Additionally, if the national government were not massively intervening in the economy, companies would have less need to hire lobbyists, to try to protect their interests as well as try to secure unfair advantages through subsidies, corporate welfare, tariffs, etc…

    While the national jobs picture is bleak, I have read several accounts speaking of lobbying as a growth industry under President Obama, especially in the so-called “green tech” and Climate Change fields. But what of the small and medium-sized businesses that can’t afford their very own Washington lobbyists? Without one or more, in our increasingly commanded-and-controlled economy, the smaller business increasingly won’t be able to succeed. Large corporations have economies of scale, large legal departments, armies of accounts, and skilled teams of lobbyists and PR firms to handle new regulations, taxes, and secure ill-gotten government gains. But this is what happens when politicians and bureaucrats assume the proper roll of consumers in a free-market. This is what happens when government grows beyond its constitutional limits.

    There were more financial regulators under President George W. Bush than at any other time in our Republic’s history. Now there are more lobbyists in Washington than at any other time in our Republic’s history. These are two signs of a broader trend that Jefferson foresaw and warned against: “When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.”

  335. 339 jezebel282

    George,

    “risk their capital in order to give entrepreneurs and innovators an
    opportunity to pursue their dreams.”

    Apparently you have not done business with many venture capital companies. It is very, very rare that they risk their own money. The true entrepreneur takes an equity loan on his house and starts his own business. Now THAT is risk capital. Risking other peoples money is, well, not that risky.

    “Seems counterproductive to, in an unemployment bill, include a new tax on people who actually create jobs.”
    Once again, not that it is wrong, but venture capital companies do not invest to create jobs. They invest to create share value. Each tranche yields a greater percentage of share ownership to be sold either on the market or to another purchaser. The most important part of a business plan to a venture capital company is the exit plan.

    Portia,

    At the risk of a massive response,
    “But what of the small and medium-sized businesses that can’t afford their very own Washington lobbyists?”
    Umm…what is the function of the Small Business Administration, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, The Dairy Council…you get the idea?
    But you know who does not have a lobby or influence or money? The unemployed. They are way too busy looking for work.

    “This is what happens when government grows beyond its constitutional limits.” Really? Or is it primarily that these corporations are using their profits to influence legislation to their own narrow benefit?

  336. 340 cstratct

    “I hope you won’t mind a rather concise rejoinder.”

    I doubt anyone would mind if the rejoinder were actually concise. 🙂

    No offense Portia, but most often you’re writing manifestos, not “concise rejoinders.” And for what it’s worth, take a look here: http://www.opensecrets.org/influence/index.php

    Look at some historical charts regarding lobbying and donors to political parties. Also, I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers from, but the number of lobbyists has actually declined every year since 2007.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/index.php

    The accounts you’re reading just might be lacking actual facts, so how about looking at the hard numbers.

  337. 341 1george1

    The Marshall Plan involved U. S. Government money, guarentees,
    and various types of support.
    – It is not true Venture Capital.
    – It does provide SEED money, which is Venture Capital.

    The USA has signourage, the ability to print money, which States;
    Municipalities; Departments/Agencies; Corporate Business; and
    Private Businesses do NOT have.

    The USA owns most of the land in the USA, like 90 % west of Mississippi.

    The USA has the power of Taxation.

    The USA has access to the best minds and the greatest technology in
    the World.

    BOTTOM LINE: There is NO WAY that what happened was not planned,
    with many of the assets being bought and paid for and lied to.


    Portia is close to getting it right.

    The 1988-1998 was post Cold War dividend. The Oil price bottomed to
    $ 12.58 bbl Dec 1998.
    This gave the Rockefeller type take over of the Russian Oil Industry.
    The Anglo-USA needed another enemy, which they could use as counter
    points to building Russia – East Europe – China – India & Brazil.
    Those are huge blocks of people.

    1999 – 2009 the USA people transferred their wealth to BIG OIL and many
    people have had everything stolen. It will get worse.

    Everyone blames Obama / Bush > Trilateral / CFR / Lobbiests / Bilderberg

    No one blames primogeniture implementation in the USA what exists in
    Europe, where houses of Lords and Commons, analogous to Senate and
    Congress are staffed by surrogates.
    In CHESS KNIGHTS have a unique way of moving.
    In England – Commoners can be KNIGHTED for exceptional abilities or
    Contributions, beyond Military service – the former prime Knighthood.
    In the USA – LAWYERS are KNIGHTS and officers of the COURT.

    BISHOPS represent RELIGION, SCIENCE, PHILOSOPHY.

    ROOKS represent Military, Bureaucracy, Corporations, Private Sector

    Anyone not fitting the desription found in Federist # 4 is a PAWN.

    THE CHESS PLAYERS themselves are much like PUPPETERS and are NOT
    seen in the GAME itself, but create the moves, like the INVISIBLE HAND.

    The KKK is an INVISIBLE EMPIRE. There are many secret and invisible
    organizations and orders, both secular and religeous.

    England had the INVISIBLE UNIVERSITY.

    INVISIBILITY relates to the moves made behind the scenes and not to
    the actually physical appearances of people, places, or things.

    The T.A.R.P. paid off those who know where the OIL MONEY went and
    how the STOCK MARKETS were Manipulated.

    The Stimulus money keeps the Teachers, Police, Fire, and Auto;
    Unions in line. Obama on the view pointed out the Auto Industry
    was essentially retooled with Government takeover and will get
    that money back.

    The AUTO INDUSTRY including aftermarket was 40 % of USA GNP/GDP.
    That move, at least, was consistent with the Marshall Plan.
    There was too much invested in continuing.
    It needed NEW MONEY for TRANSITION.

    The USA provided VENTURE CAPITAL to the AUTO INDUSTRY to reinvent
    itself. I believe wholly electric cars can be very affordable, in part as
    they do NOT need
    1 – ANY EMISSIONS equipment
    2 – ANY INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE parts

    The Electric Auto Science is exotic.
    The actual Electric Vehicles are far simpler and less costly to make.
    KEYS:
    1 – Battery Storage Capability
    2 – Creating Energy, beside Charge
    3 – I believe most under carriage and Transmission issues should be same?

  338. 342 1george1

    Jeze,
    Big Banks are feasting on access to low interest USA money and getting
    usury credit card rates.

    Plunging home & business property values assure inability to refinance and increase dependency on credit cards and savings.

    As individuals use up savings, the Banks have fewer holdings from which to
    Lend money.

    The people who stole America, have the Venture Capital.

    They have NO INCENTIVE to INVEST, until they wipe out all competition in
    STOCK / BOND MARKET Capitulation, which will lead to political capitulation.

    The American Republic either becomes an Empire?
    or a more universally equitable entity?

    Because of Drugs, Crime, and illegal wars, I do not bet on the latter.

  339. 343 jezebel282

    George,

    “Big Banks are feasting on access to low interest USA money and getting
    usury credit card rates.”

    It is almost that simple. It is guided by Portia’s wonderful capitalist ideals. It actually couldn’t be simpler. Why bother to take any risk at all to make a profit? You can borrow money at ZERO percent interest and then merely walk over to the other window and buy Treasury notes that yield 3% tax free backed by the full faith and credit of us.

    Corporations reported $1.4 Trillion in profits in the first quarter of this year. Are they risking any of it? Don’t be silly. They are sitting on mountains of cash. So the question is how do we stop banks from imposing a 3% tax on the population and how do we get the holy marketplace to start spending that cash?

    Lower taxes on the wealthy? That hasn’t worked before. Decrease Capital Gains Taxes? Nope. That hasn’t worked either.

    I know! How about getting those people we pay $174,000/year plus full benefits to solve this problem like they are supposed to?

  340. 344 1george1

    Chris, like Jeze and Portia concentrate on past / present minutiae.

    None look at the fact that the USA MILITARY, FEDERAL ELECTED / APPOINTED,
    and powerfull THINK TANKS and INSTITUTIONS base their decision on the
    MACRO EFFECTS of Strategies and Tactics.

    WORLD TRADE is a FACT to them and a vague concept to average americans.

    WORLD WARS ….

    WORLD HUNGER ….

    WORLD DISEASE …

    WORLD PESTILANCE …

    In intellectual exercises … you have to be cruel to be kind ….
    The Intellectuals are well paid and insulated.

    No one recognizes all Militaries are hierachial SOCIALIST ORGANIZATIONS:
    Everything is supplied to the members:
    * Clothing – uniforms * Food * Shelter * Equipment * Medical

    No one recognizes all Prisons / Jails have SOCIALISTS nuances
    Everything is supplied to the incarcerated:
    * Clothing – uniforms * Food * Shelter * Equipment * Medical

    Bureaucracies and Corporations have certain SOCIALIST nuances:
    * PAY on scales * Benefits * Pensions * Heavy Subsidized Health Care
    Government Workers are supported by Taxes / justified by services.
    Corporations are supported by Investors / justified by profits, services,
    and products.

    Private Sector – lacks many of these support entities.

  341. 345 1george1

    Jeze,
    I agree with your above post, in an ideal world where people obey
    the rules and keep their promises.

    I believe the average american has been warred on.

  342. 346 jezebel282

    George,

    “Chris, like Jeze and Portia concentrate on past / present minutiae.”

    On the other hand, if we all thought like you (shudder), think of the conspiracies we could create! Why the anagrams alone would take up half the internet.

  343. 347 1george1

    Jeze,
    A friend loved telling about sexploints.
    His ego was about the bragging…

    What good is it to have a plan to conquer the world from the grave
    and get people to follow the plan, without all of the involved having
    1 – Proof of involvement through obtuse clues
    2 – Mitigation, Alibi, and Obfustication to misdirect from conviction
    and/or attack by victims.

    Some people like to KILL to CONQUER.
    Some people like to get their VICTIMS to work against their own interests,
    while letting them VICTIMIZE others.
    – Need scapegoats, who can not harm you.
    – Allow minions to victimize scapegoats.
    – Have other minions blame another group – divide and conquor.
    – Continually pit one group against another. Then rotate groups who will
    become victims, like in orwell’s 1984 or the skelton scene from Harryhousen,
    which is based on an ancient formula of keeping warriors at each other and
    directed away from the Royal / Priestly / Intellectual castes, feeding off the
    work of the Laborers.

    Fewer Laborers are needed to create food and needs.

    Military are always expendable and love using each other as bait/trap.

    “The British kill an admiral every once in a while. It keeps the rest in line.”
    Bartlett Book of Quotes.

  344. 348 portia1776

    “This is what happens when government grows beyond its constitutional limits.” Really? Or is it primarily that these corporations are using their profits to influence legislation to their own narrow benefit?

    Of course, corporations are using their profits to influence legislation to their own narrow benefit. Sometimes corporations that don’t even have profits still spend vast sums of money to secure bailouts from Washington because not doing so would be the ruination of their company.The question I posed is a different one: what if the government candy store were closed, and a large corporation, by dint of political connections, could not secure any unfair advantages from Washington? If government is not in the business of picking winners and losers, the level of corporate influence would necessarily return to its proper, historically low level. In other words, one of the unintended consequences of more government intervention in the economy is more corporate influence over government through lobbying, regulatory capture, campaign contributions, and outright bribery and other criminality.

    “It is almost that simple. It is guided by Portia’s wonderful capitalist ideals. It actually couldn’t be simpler. Why bother to take any risk at all to make a profit? You can borrow money at ZERO percent interest and then merely walk over to the other window and buy Treasury notes that yield 3% tax free backed by the full faith and credit of us.” – Actually, I will let you in on a secret. The USSR, as all economies, are capitalist. The laws of economics are applicable everywhere and inviolate. So while the USSR claimed to be communist (according to Marxist theory they never progressed past socialism), the Soviets still had a marketplace, just not a free one. In most, but not all cases, Soviet government intervention displayed the consumer as the choice-maker, having bureaucrats become the buyers and sellers. The all knowing Soviet bureaucrats would have to set upwards of 20 million prices a day, for everything from carrots to steel, which resulted in massive market distortions (empty store shelves). With the exception of the commission of mass crimes, “scientific socialism” has never matched the efficiency of the “invisible hand,” a representative of the consumer in the free-market.

    So, yes, as expected, if government gives banks a no risk way to make money compared to a volatile low-return market, why wouldn’t they take advantage of this largess? It’s “free money”… ours. If you or I, as a normal taxpayer, could do the same thing, wouldn’t you? I already choose not to, in a way, by not patronizing Ally Bank. Ally is is the slickly re-branded GMAC, which even some bailout enthusiasts opposed repeatedly “saving.” Ally has secured itself an unfair government advantage, and is using that inequity to offer higher interest rates and more favorable terms on its financial products than honest competitors (think People’s or Webster) can afford to match.

    “So the question is how do we stop banks from imposing a 3% tax on the population and how do we get the holy marketplace to start spending that cash?” — We’ve discussed this already. Capitalists are on strike due to abusive and uncertain working conditions. When those abate, and the interventions are scaled back, the market will recover on its own.

    “I know! How about getting those people we pay $174,000/year plus full benefits to solve this problem like they are supposed to?” — Right, when are all the new masters of the universe who now command-and-control are economy in Washington going to solve these problems? We pay them so well, especially now, according to USA Today:

    “The number of federal workers earning six-figure salaries has exploded during the recession, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal salary data.

    Federal employees making salaries of $100,000 or more jumped from 14% to 19% of civil servants during the recession’s first 18 months — and that’s before overtime pay and bonuses are counted.

    Federal workers are enjoying an extraordinary boom time — in pay and hiring — during a recession that has cost 7.3 million jobs in the private sector.”

    The article goes onto note that “Then-president Bush recommended — and Congress approved — across-the-board raises of 3% in January 2008 and 3.9% in January 2009.” President Obama has been more appreciative of the hardships of average, hard-working, and unemployed Americans as well as Social Security pensioners, by “only” recommending across the board raises of 2% in 2010 and 1.4% for 2011. Don’t feel too bad for them, though: “Most federal workers also get longevity pay hikes — called steps — that average 1.5% per year.” A newer USA Today article notes that:

    “Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available.

    The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.”

    For the record: I am interested in salary numbers only in so far as they reflect a broader problem of sustainability. I will say that getting paid for longevity — and not merit — seems to be a ridiculous standard for what should be an earned raise. Additionally, at a time like this, when no one has job security, it is hard to justify paying those who have near absolute job security even more taxpayer dollars for just for showing-up.

  345. 349 portia1776

    Cstratct,

    Did I cite a source? Did I say I was absolutely sure that the sheer number of lobbyists had increased? The fluctuation in the quantity of lobbyists year-to-year does not in any way alter or mitigate my point on the real or perceived influence of lobbyists, as gauged by the amount corporations are willing to spend on them. Quoting from the Open Secrets report you referenced:

    “Since January, all special interests combined have reported spending more than $1.78 billion on lobbying. If spending continues at this pace, lobbying expenses this year will match, if not eclipse, the record $3.49 billion spent on lobbying last year.

    While lobbying expenditures dropped by about 7.6 percent overall between the first quarter and the second quarter, lobbying is up about 7.5 percent during the first half of this year compared to the first six months of 2009.”

    Why was 2009 a record year and 2010 on track to eclipse it? Might it have something to do with all the “free money” and other unfair advantages our increasingly interventionist government is giving away to those with connections?

  346. 350 1george1

    Portia > This has been Ralph Nader position for decades: (look it up)
    “This is what happens when government grows beyond its constitutional limits.” Really? Or is it primarily that these corporations are using their profits to influence legislation to their own narrow benefit?

    Of course, corporations are using their profits to influence legislation to their own narrow benefit.

    —-

    It is analogous to interpretation of GALBRAITH’S “The Planning System”
    about the largest 2,000 – 3,000 Businesses which can control their own
    environment.

    It is analogous to Standard Oil Trust + Trilateral Commission, Bilderberger,
    and Council on Foreign Affairs

    It is covered in the book “so damn much money”

    —-

    My belief is the power behind the power are people behind war colleges.
    Why?
    Follow the money

  347. 351 1george1

    Most of the rest of Portia’s post are writing about much of what I
    have tried to portray for the past couple years, EXCEPT:

    Portia is a better writer
    I have certain key differences of opinion, related to where the
    BUCKS stops or starts.

    Portia has touched upon COMMAND ECONOMY – another area which
    I have posted, reflective of the WW II – POST WW II uses of Military
    Bases, Plants, and factories as key County or Town or State economic
    engines.

    Both I and Portia have reduced word volume per post.
    That will make it easier to comment, endorse, repudiate.

    I am wondering what RON – MIKE – PCS – STAR – PHYLLIS – KANE – CYCLOPS
    and others who post less and short post, think about Macro Economic
    mumbo jumbo – which Portia > Myself > Jeze > Chris > Mayor > Sudds and
    others are debating?

    None are stupid. However, these are areas they had not argued and I would
    like input on those from their perspective.

    I would love to read JON BEST, GAVIN, & CALZONE comments.
    Laura + Dave Mooney + others could add a different perspective.

  348. 352 cstratct

    “Why was 2009 a record year and 2010 on track to eclipse it? Might it have something to do with all the “free money” and other unfair advantages our increasingly interventionist government is giving away to those with connections?”

    Or could it have something to do with the fact that major legislation anathema to the “self-interests” of the actors pumping all that money into lobbying efforts was the motivation?

    You consistently cite government intervention as the problem and hinderance, yet from Enron to Madoff, BP to Washington Mutual we’ve seen plenty of examples where the market failed, and failed miserably, to protect thousands of workers, retirees, investors and others from downright negligence.

    What is your solution to all those “self-interested” actors who manipulate the system and put other people in danger with their reckless actions? We already know that you think the government is the problem. So what is the solution? Remove all regulation and let everyone have at it? Every man and woman for himself/herself?

    I certainly don’t believe in excessive regulation, but removing all restrictions will simply allow for more reckless behavior that ruins thousands of lives. So please, enlighten us. Give us examples of the true free market you envision and how it would protect those most vulnerable to manipulation.

  349. 353 portia1776

    “What is your solution to all those “self-interested” actors who manipulate the system and put other people in danger with their reckless actions? We already know that you think the government is the problem. So what is the solution? Remove all regulation and let everyone have at it? Every man and woman for himself/herself?” — Again, facts are inconvenient to your argument. I defy you to find a single example of where I, or classical liberalism or laissez-faire, requires any of the fallacies that you cite as evidence of their inadequacy, such as supporting 1.) no regulation at all, claiming 2.) all actors will always be good, or asserting that 3.) all government intervention is always bad. Though you would like it to be, the world is just not that simple. Regulations and other interventions may be good or bad, but in all cases have intended and unintended consequences. Individuals may be good or bad, but in all cases are self-interested.

    My solution, as explained ad nauseum, is for you to get real and consider the implications of what you claim to support. There will always be Madoffs and Enrons unless you eliminate all economic freedom.

    The solution you can’t grasp is the one starring you in the face: the system of checks and balances — a constitutionally limited government, an independent judiciary, a competitive marketplace — that has served past generations of Americans so well.

    F.A. Hayek, the Nobel Laureate economist, said: “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.” When speaking of “designers” or “planners,” Hayek had misguided but intelligent people in mind, such as his rival John Maynard Keynes. But the quote is especially relevant for someone of much more modest abilities, like yourself.

    “I certainly don’t believe in excessive regulation, but removing all restrictions will simply allow for more reckless behavior that ruins thousands of lives. So please, enlighten us. Give us examples of the true free market you envision and how it would protect those most vulnerable to manipulation.” — Then why are you arguing for total regulation, the amount of regulation necessary to prevent all bad actors? I have never argued for anarchy and, again, defy you to show where I have. It should go without saying that arguing for greater individual political and economic freedom is not synonymous with supporting absolute individual political and economic freedom, defending bad actors, or excusing corporate abuses. I have written at great length against all those things and provided you a thorough response on the crucial points. To quote my somewhat earlier self:

    “According to classical liberals and free-market economists, in light of this reality [i.e. that individuals are self-interested], the the single best way to prevent political and financial abuses is to allow for a free marketplace for candidates, ideas, products, and services wherein fierce competition will ensure proper checks and balances or, in Madison’s phrase, that ‘ambition must be made to counteract ambition.’ The Constitution’s division of political powers among diverse and competing institutions and individual voters, as well as our adversarial judicial system, are outgrowths of this fundamental insight on human nature.”

    To borrow Jez’s line “There comes a point where you’ve lost, you admit it and you move on.” That time has come, and gone.

  350. 354 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “To borrow Jez’s line “There comes a point where you’ve lost, you admit it and you move on.” That time has come, and gone.”

    Hey! Wait a minute!

  351. 355 sudds

    I’m a little upset that I am no longer Chris’ public enemy #1!!! 😦

  352. 356 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I’m a little upset that I am no longer Chris’ public enemy #1!!!”

    Don’t worry about a thing. I’m sure 2013 still hates your guts.

  353. 357 cstratct

    Portia,

    Where in the hell did I advocate for total regulation? Please, by all means, show me the post where I stated anything of the sort.

    The point I have been making for some time is that you keep putting words in my mouth while claiming that you’re losing your “inalienable rights.” You have yet to cite an example of the individual constitutional rights you are losing under the present administration (or courts for that matter). You have yet to cite how your “inherent and inalienable individual economic liberties” are being taken away.

    Despite your protestations, you are dogmatic in your beliefs:

    “Regardless of the nature of the connection, no one can credibly argue that capitalism and classical liberals were materially and intellectual anything but opposed to slavery.”

    “Unfortunately, we are increasingly being forced to surrender individual and economic liberty for unlimited, lower quality government.”

    “President Obama gives voice to the anti-individual collectivist ideology at the heart of his and others “Progressives” antipathy for the Declaration of Independence and Constitution — or what classical liberal Republican Frederick Douglass called our “great liberty document.””

    All of these can and have been argued. I could go on but what’s the point. I’m sure you’ll come back with some more insults.

    One of the primary authors of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was not only a slave owner but staunch supporter of maintaining a largely agrarian society. He opposed vehemently Alexander Hamilton, who happened to be a staunch abolitionist, was also a leader of the movement toward an industrialized nation. He also supported a strong executive branch and a central bank.

    You see, I’m not as dogmatic as you seem to think and tend to be a centrist with respect to regulatory policy. Where you got the idea that I support “total regulation” is beyond me. I most certainly believe that the government has a role to play in minimizing the risk to the public from “bad actors.” I don’t support laissez faire capitalism because I don’t believe the invisible hand of the market is a panacea and won’t adequately protect all parties equally. Government can’t do it either, but the checks and balances I believe extend beyond the walls of government.

    And Sudds, I don’t see you or Portia as an “enemy.” I disagree with certain positions you both hold with respect to individual issues, but disagreement is not hatred. Sorry if you can’t tell the difference.

  354. 358 jezebel282

    While these philosophical discussions are nice (honest, I enjoy them) the point is being missed.

    The U.S. will not turn into a communist totalitarian state, nor will it abandon its care for the neediest and weakest (not even weak and needy Republicans).

    Promoting the general welfare is simply what we do as citizens. I know I try.

    The problem is that somehow the dealers and players at the casino rigged the game and the guys in the surveillance room were asleep or missing. Trillions of dollars were extracted from the house and nobody knows where it went.

    We need to keep the casino honest or nobody is going to plunk down a chip. Sorry, Portia, but the players and dealers are not cut out for the job. The game can only be played as it was meant to if the rules apply equally to everyone.

    Even in the freest market of them all, the NYSE, there is simply no way to compete fairly with Goldman Sach’s algorithms and enormous bandwidth. It just doesn’t matter how good you are with Tradestation (R). You are krill and they are the whale.

  355. 359 portia1776

    Chris,

    “Where in the hell did I advocate for total regulation? Please, by all means, show me the post where I stated anything of the sort.” – This is the crux of the problem… if you actually knew what you were talking about, this debate would be much more interesting. I have already responded three times now to your apparently mindless advocacy of total regulation, pointed out your dishonest character, bad form, and inability to understand the plain meaning of words, including your own, most recently here: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13429

    “You have yet to cite an example of the individual constitutional rights you are losing under the present administration (or courts for that matter). You have yet to cite how your “inherent and inalienable individual economic liberties” are being taken away.” – Are you serious?! On individual civil liberties I have pointed out several times that President Obama and the Democratic-majority Congress approved the Patriot Act without amendment, to which you have offered no response.

    But there are all kinds of additional things I could have cited. This “Progressive” administration is seeking to erode our individual liberties in the following ways: eliminate our presumption of privacy of location, in emails, and for internet activity, grant the president the ability to detain indefinitely or even summarily execute American citizens without due process, and allow government to censor political speech in a variety of forms (although then-Consular General Kagen argued before the Supreme Court that the government would never really use the power to censor a book… they, thankfully, didn’t buy it).

    Kevin Drum at Mother Jones said of President Obama’s betrayal of the Constitution: “You know, if I’d wanted Dick Cheney as president I would have just voted for him (http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/07/even-yet-more-warrantless-searches).” My sentiments, exactly.

    Remember when you wrote “Last time I checked, it was Republicans (read conservatives) who were taking liberties with individual liberty. Do you remember the Patriot Act?…” You’re condemnation of President Bush, but not President Obama’s eroding of our individual rights, shows how fraudulent your original protestations were… and how partisan.

    As for individual economic liberties, I have cited numerous examples just in Connecticut alone and will not reiterate what I have written numerous times and in multiple places on this blog already. If you didn’t read them before when addressed to you, why would you read them now?

    “you are dogmatic in your beliefs” – You have demonstrated nothing except an ability to cut and paste. Dogmatism is “the tendency to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true, without consideration of evidence or the opinions of others.” Clipping a few of my positive statements, all of which were well-sourced in context, does not even approach that threshold. I have always and everywhere been fair, and even expressed praise for those with whom I vehemently disagree. The mark of a good debator is the ability to argue any side and give the strongest possible statement of the side with which they are most hostile. I don’t think it can be said that I have been anything less than fair in my discussions of Marxist theory.

    “All of these can and have been argued. I could go on but what’s the point.” – I have never said otherwise, but you’re right in the main. There is no point in continuing these exchanges, unless I am to start arguing both sides. In that way, at least yours would get a better showing.

    “I’m sure you’ll come back with some more insults.” – How the tables have turned… the former bully has been taken down to something approaching his proper, miniature size. Or should I say, again. How we all miss the voluminous apologias for disgraced ex-mayor Miron, especially over the Loschiavo case. Are the facts still out?

    “One of the primary authors of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, was not only a slave owner but staunch supporter of maintaining a largely agrarian society.” – I appreciated this attempt at a 3rd grade history lesson. Jefferson was actually the author of the Declaration of Independence, with other draft committee members providing comment and editing, including John Adams and Ben Franklin (who changed Jefferson’s “sacred” to “self-evident” truths). There were also Southerners in Congress who redacted the document, to eliminate its original strong denunciation of slavery (see: http://www.princeton.edu/~tjpapers/declaration/declaration.html )

    While you don’t say, I suppose your point is that Jefferson was a classical liberal and owned slave’s ergo classical liberalism is pro-slavery? But you couldn’t be saying that, because then you note that Hamilton, who was also a classical liberal, was a staunch abolitionist. I’ll help you out just one last time: Jefferson and several of the other Founders might have been hypocrites on slavery – it’s not that simple, Jefferson, for instance, supported a state for African Americans because he believed white prejudice against them could never be overcome – but their individual deviations from principle by no means invalidates the “Great liberty document” (In Douglas’ phrase) they have bequeathed to us or the moral philosophy that inspired it. So my statement remains true: “Regardless of the nature of the connection, no one can credibly argue that capitalism and classical liberals[ism] were materially and intellectual[ly] anything but opposed to slavery.”

    “Where you got the idea that I support ‘total regulation’ is beyond me.” – Stop espousing support for totalitarian solutions, i.e., a system that absolutely prevents all bad actors, and I’ll stop criticizing you for doing so.

    “I most certainly believe that the government has a role to play in minimizing the risk to the public from ‘bad actors.’” I have never denied government has a role, provided it stays within the limited parameters delineated in the Constitution. You’re confusing classical liberalism with anarchism.

    “I don’t support laissez faire capitalism because I don’t believe the invisible hand of the market is a panacea and won’t adequately protect all parties equally.” – So you don’t support laissez-faire capitalism because of market imperfections that no one, not even Ayn Rand, denies exist? And because it’s not socialism? Get real!

    “Government can’t do it either, but the checks and balances I believe extend beyond the walls of government.” – Which is what I have been writing over and over and over again.

  356. 360 portia1776

    “The problem is that somehow the dealers and players at the casino rigged the game and the guys in the surveillance room were asleep or missing. Trillions of dollars were extracted from the house and nobody knows where it went.

    We need to keep the casino honest or nobody is going to plunk down a chip. Sorry, Portia, but the players and dealers are not cut out for the job. The game can only be played as it was meant to if the rules apply equally to everyone.” – Sorry? I fail to see what for… there is not a single word here that I would change. Sounds like you were inspired by the end of Professor Russell Roberts’ testimony:

    “I want my country back. I want a country where responsibility still means something. Where rich and poor, Main Street and Wall Street live by the same rules… We just need to take the crony out of crony capitalism so we can get back to the real thing.”

    Should I say sorry for pointing that out?

  357. 361 portia1776

    Amendment: The above should read “then-Solicitor General Kagan.” I apologize to our newest Justice for the error. It should also be noted that she was arguing the government’s position, which may or may not have been her own — and it is that unconstitutional position, and not her advocacy for it, that I was condemning. The relevant part of the transcript oral re-argument transcript (via http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2008/2008_08_205/reargument):

    “Justice Ginsburg: May I ask you one question that was highlighted in the prior argument, and that was if Congress could say no TV and radio ads, could it also say no newspaper ads, no campaign biographies?

    Last time the answer was, yes, Congress could, but it didn’t.

    Is that — is that still the government’s answer?

    General Kagan: –The government’s answer has changed, Justice Ginsburg.

    [Laughter]

    It is still true that BCRA 203, which is the only statute involved in this case, does not apply to books or anything other than broadcast; 441b does, on its face, apply to other media.

    And we took what the Court — what the Court’s — the Court’s own reaction to some of those other hypotheticals very seriously.

    We went back, we considered the matter carefully, and the government’s view is that although 441b does cover full-length books, that there would be quite good as-applied challenge to any attempt to apply 441b in that context.

    And I should say that the FEC has never applied 441b in that context.

    So for 60 years a book has never been at issue.

    Justice Scalia: –What happened to the overbreadth doctrine?

    I mean, I thought our doctrine in the Fourth Amendment is if you write it too broadly, we are not going to pare it back to the point where it’s constitutional.

    If it’s overbroad, it’s invalid.

    What has happened to that.

    General Kagan: I don’t think that it would be substantially overbroad, Justice Scalia, if I tell you that the FEC has never applied this statute to a book.

    To say that it doesn’t apply to books is to take off, you know, essentially nothing.

    Chief Justice Roberts: But we don’t put our — we don’t put our First Amendment rights in the hands of FEC bureaucrats; and if you say that you are not going to apply it to a book, what about a pamphlet?

    General Kagan: I think a — a pamphlet would be different.

    A pamphlet is pretty classic electioneering, so there is no attempt to say that 441 b only applies to video and not to print.”

    If Congress can create so many laws on a subject — free speech — in which the Bill of Rights literally says “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,” no wonder we are in so much trouble where the Framers were less explicit.

  358. 362 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “I want my country back. I want a country where responsibility still means something. Where rich and poor, Main Street and Wall Street live by the same rules… We just need to take the crony out of crony capitalism so we can get back to the real thing.”

    Should I say sorry for pointing that out?”

    Not at all. But, “I want a country where responsibility still means something” is a generational solution. If it happened we probably wouldn’t need police either. If it happened globally, who would need a military?

    We disagree on the methods. What is needed is what we are guaranteed by the Constitution. Equal protection of the law. That means enforcement as well. However, there is only one entity that can accomplish that. The government. Sadly, this payback politics that the GOP seems to be waging is rendering the government impotent.

  359. 363 cstratct

    Portia,

    You accuse me of the very actions and arrogance you so ably display in your previous posts. If I didn’t know any better I’d say you were . . . oh what’s the point, you’re going to hide behind your screen name and continue to your condescending and obnoxious behavior despite what I, or anyone on this blog, says. So have a blast.

    And by the way, you still haven’t given any example of where I advocated for “total regulation,” so you can continue your rants until your fingers turn blue, it doesn’t change the fact that I have NEVER advocated for total regulation. Show me where I typed those words in relation to the government having total control, and then you have a legitimate argument.

    As for Jefferson and Hamilton, I was simply pointing out that from the founding of our country, the lines have always been blurred within individuals and among various factions. Hamilton fully supported a move toward an industrialized nation, yet saw a role for government that exceeded the boundaries Jefferson espoused. Jefferson may have been responsible for “all men are created equal,” but it would appear some were more equal than others in his mind, as unlike both Hamilton and Franklin, he was a slave owner and didn’t release his slaves upon passage of the Declaration.

    And the authorship is not as cut and dried as you make it out to be. While he may have been the primary author, your source clearly states, “Jefferson making several emendations to it (including alterations he ascribed to John Adams and Benjamin Franklin, who along with Jefferson, Roger Sherman, and Robert R. Livingston made up the committee charged by the Continental Congress with the drafting of a declaration).”

    I can cite websites too: http://web.duke.edu/eng169s2/group1/lex3/firstpge.htm

    “The Declaration was a work of collaborative authorship which evolved through three stages. This Home Page’s objective is to demonstrate the evolution of The Declaration of Independence and the effect of collaborative authorship on the document’s creation.” Again not as cut and dried as you want it to be.

    Finally, to this statement: “Clipping a few of my positive statements, all of which were well-sourced in context, does not even approach that threshold. I have always and everywhere been fair, and even expressed praise for those with whom I vehemently disagree. The mark of a good debator is the ability to argue any side and give the strongest possible statement of the side with which they are most hostile. I don’t think it can be said that I have been anything less than fair in my discussions of Marxist theory.”

    Many here could make the same opening statement, but you give yourself far too much credit in thinking that you “have been anything less than fair” in any discussions. You are beginning to sound like Glenn Beck. He also likes to pat himself on the back for giving his opinion, the only difference is that you’re playing to a much smaller audience.

  360. 364 1george1

    Jeze:
    The problem is that somehow the dealers and players at the casino
    rigged the game and the guys in the surveillance room were asleep
    or missing. Trillions of dollars were extracted from the house and
    nobody knows where it went.

    George:
    BIG OIL & states + OPEC + RUSSIA + PEMEX + BP / North Sea etc
    JOBS: China + India + Brazil + Russia/East Europe
    Capital: hedge funds + short sellers + lobbies + political parties
    $ 750 Trillion to Wall street typs who KNOW the money trail.
    $ 750 Trillion to states to bribe Teachers, Fire, Police etc.
    Bush + Cheney + Obama + Clinton + Gore political type’s portfolios.

    JEZE
    Even in the freest market of them all, the NYSE, there is simply
    no way to compete fairly with Goldman Sach’s algorithms and
    enormous bandwidth.
    It just doesn’t matter how good you are with Tradestation (R).
    You are krill and they are the whale.

    GEORGE:
    BLOOMBERG, GATES, BUFFET, and others have access to INSIDER
    TRADING
    Ultimate spot for INSIDER TRADING – NSC, CIA, FBI, DOD who have
    access to ALL Satellite and Cable transmissions.

    CHRIS:
    What is your solution to all those “self-interested” actors who
    manipulate the system and put other people in danger with their
    reckless actions?
    We already know that you think the government is the problem.
    So what is the solution? Remove all regulation and let everyone
    have at it? Every man and woman for himself/herself?

    GEORGE:
    PERSONNEL is POLICY.
    It has recently been published massive numbers of Regulators and
    Intelligence people with Top Secret Clearance were hired under W.

    Government, in and of itself is not a problem. James Madison’s famous
    quote: “If all men were angels there would be no need laws much less
    for government,”

  361. 365 1george1

    PORTIA:
    While you don’t say, I suppose your point is that Jefferson was a
    classical liberal
    and owned slave’s ergo classical liberalism is pro-slavery?
    But you couldn’t be saying that, because then you note that Hamilton,
    who was also a classical liberal,
    was a staunch abolitionist.

    GEORGE:
    I 100 % agree Jefferson and Hamilton were classically trained.

    I completely disagree that either Jefferson and Hamilton were Liberals.
    They were Federalists and Anti-Federalists!

    They were NO LESS self interested than ANY ONE who has been elected
    to Congress or Executive!

    The Bill of Rights was created out of self interest.
    It also allowed for evolution of Law and Rights, with time and circumstance
    to where the constitution can be interpreted to being a vibrant entity.

    PORTIA:
    One of the primary authors of the Declaration of Independence,
    Thomas Jefferson, was not only a slave owner but staunch supporter
    of maintaining a largely agrarian society.

    He opposed vehemently Alexander Hamilton, who happened to be a
    staunch abolitionist, was also a leader of the movement toward an
    industrialized nation. He also supported a strong executive branch
    and a central bank.

    GEORGE:
    NO WHERE in the CONSTITUTION are the words INALIENABLE RIGHTS.

    In deciding CONSTITUTIONALITY of a Law or Act or Action, the Declaration
    of Independence does not have (direct) standing, in the Courts, especially
    in the Supreme Court.

    The CONSTITUTION both takes away and protects INALIENABLE RIGHTS,
    which are SUBORDINATED to the DISCRETION of the STATE!

    Ergo, INALIENABLE RIGHTS become Conditional Rights, redefined by
    whatever those in power define it to be. (kinda like Town Charter) 😉

    I believe the CONSTITUTION is a CONDITIONAL DOCUMENT based on:
    ARTICLE 7 > Ratification
    PREAMBLE > Puview
    BILL of RIGHTS / AMENdments > Adjustments especially:
    # 1 – Petition government – Redress Grievance
    # 4 – Search and Seizure
    # 5 – due Process
    # 9 – Unarticulated Individual Rights
    # 10 – Unarticulated Rights of the State
    # 13 – Slavery abolished
    # 14 – Equal protection of the Law – Citizens rights
    # 15 Race no bar to vote
    # 17 – Direct vote elect Senators
    # 19 – Women vote
    # 24 – No poll tax
    # 26 – Younger voters

    I will partial post appropriate from WIKIPEDIA / WIKIANSWERS
    deferring to better and clearer writers.
    the reason is to refute and confirm points by PORTIA.

    WIKIPEIDA:
    The United States Declaration of Independence is a statement
    adopted by the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, which
    announced that the thirteen American colonies then at war
    with Great Britain were now independent states, and thus no
    longer a part of the British Empire.
    Written primarily by Thomas Jefferson, the Declaration is a formal
    explanation of why Congress had voted on July 2 to declare
    independence from Great Britain, more than a year after the
    outbreak of the American Revolutionary War.
    The birthday of the United States of America—Independence Day
    —is celebrated on July 4, the day the wording of the Declaration
    was approved by Congress.

    The Declaration justified the independence of the United States
    by listing colonial grievances against King George III, and by asserting
    certain natural rights, including a right of revolution.
    Having served its original purpose in announcing independence, the
    text of the Declaration was initially ignored after the American Revolution.
    Its stature grew over the years, particularly the second sentence,
    a sweeping statement of individual human rights:

    > We hold these truths to be self-evident,
    that all men are created equal,
    that they are endowed by their Creator
    with certain unalienable Rights,
    that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    WIKIPEDIA:
    George Mason IV along with James Madison, he is called the
    “Father of the Bill of Rights.”

    Like anti-federalist Patrick Henry, Mason was a leader of those
    who pressed for the addition of explicit States rights and
    individual rights to the U.S. Constitution as a balance to the
    increased federal powers, and did not sign the document in
    part because it lacked such a statement.
    His efforts eventually succeeded in convincing the Federalists
    to add the first ten amendments of the Constitution.
    These amendments, collectively known as the Bill of Rights,
    were based on the earlier Virginia Declaration of Rights,
    which Mason had drafted in 1776.

    On the nagging issue of slavery, Mason walked a fine line.

    WIKIPEDIA
    The Federalist Papers are a series of 85 articles or essays advocating the ratification of the United States Constitution. Authors were Hamilton,
    Madison, and John Jay.

    WIKIANSWERS:
    Main Constitution writters. William King, Thomas Jefferson, John
    Chandler, Albion K. Parris, William Pitt Preble, and John Holmes
    (LONG BEFORE “DEEP THROAT.”)

    William Samuel Johnson was the son of Samuel Johnson, the first
    president of King’s College (later Columbia College and University).
    William was born at Stratford, CT, in 1727.
    Once the passions of war had ebbed, Johnson resumed his political
    career. In the Continental Congress (1785-87), he was one of the most
    influential and popular delegates.
    Playing a major role in the Constitutional Convention, he missed no
    sessions after arriving on June 2; espoused the Connecticut Compromise;
    and chaired the Committee of Style,
    which shaped the final document.
    He also worked for ratification in Connecticut.

    —-

    GEORGE – I-NET
    Published in 1776, Common Sense challenged the authority of the
    British government and the royal monarchy.
    The plain language that Thomas Paine used spoke to the common people
    of America and was the first work to openly ask for independence from
    Great Britain.

    GEORGE perspective:
    Thomas Paine was a radical. ACTUALLY he was a radicial’s radical, whose
    intellectual criticism was candid and accurate.

    Sylvia liked trouble makers, who are for the people.
    So do I.
    I wonder how Paine would rip Stratford and today’s USA?

    Paine was hyper critical of all religions and old world institutions.
    > Unfortunately, many of his peers would come to imitate those they
    criticized the most.

    COMMON SENSE:
    Of the Origin and Design of Government in General, with Concise
    Remarks on the English Constitution

    Of Monarchy and Hereditary Succession

    Thoughts on the Present State of American Affairs

    Of the Present Ability of America: with some Miscellaneous Reflections

    WIKIPEDIA:
    Common Sense is a pamphlet written by Thomas Paine.
    It was first published anonymously on January 10, 1776,
    during the American Revolution. Common Sense, signed
    “Written by an Englishman”,
    became an immediate success.

    In relation to the population of the Colonies at that time,
    it had the largest sale and circulation of any book in American
    history.

    Common Sense presented the American colonists with a
    powerful argument for independence from British rule
    at a time when the question of independence was still
    undecided.

    Paine wrote and reasoned in a style that common people
    understood;
    forgoing the philosophy and Latin references used by
    Enlightenment era writers,

    Paine structured Common Sense like a sermon and relied on
    Biblical references to make his case to the people.

    Historian Gordon S. Wood described Common Sense as,
    “the most incendiary and popular pamphlet of the entire
    revolutionary era.”

  362. 366 portia1776

    George,

    Thank you for the thoughtful comments. I’m glad someone is reading my posts and can understand what they say, as well as reply with their own, coherent thoughts.

    “I completely disagree that either Jefferson and Hamilton were Liberals.
    They were Federalists and Anti-Federalists!” — The Federalists (proponents of national-centric government) and Anti-Federalists (proponents of state-centric government) were, generally speaking, two feathers of the same classical liberal bird. They operated within the same paradigm and had the same central question at heart: Having won freedom from British imperialism, what was the best way to secure the former colonists hard won individual liberty.

    The Anti-Federalists argued for a weak national government and stronger state and local governments, fearing that anything but a weak national government would inevitably become oppressive. The Federalists argued that there needed to be a strong enough central government to handle critical tasks (such as national defense and foreign policy) that a confederation of states could not profitably accomplish independently. Federalists didn’t deny the Anti-Federalist concerns, and included the Bill of Rights in order to address them, but felt that the benefits outweighed the risks, given the real and perceived inadequacies of the Articles of Confederation.

    Jefferson and Hamilton had a well-documented rivalry, which at times involved rhetoric that would make even our own candidate from the WWE blush. At certain points during this rivalry, Jefferson insinuated that Hamliton wanted to become America’s monarch. Jefferson himself used the term “empire of liberty” to describe his expansionist vision for the country. I don’t think we need read too much into either. In the first case, there is no evidence, aside from Jefferson’s own and he had a clear bias, that Hamliton was a crypto-monarchist. In the second case, historian Gordon S. Wood has written: “‘Empire’ for him did not mean the coercive domination of alien peoples; instead, it meant a nation of citizens spread over vast tracts of land. Yet the British Empire had given enough ambiguity to the term to lend some irony to Jefferson’s use of it.”

    “NO WHERE in the CONSTITUTION are the words INALIENABLE RIGHTS.

    In deciding CONSTITUTIONALITY of a Law or Act or Action, the Declaration
    of Independence does not have (direct) standing, in the Courts, especially
    in the Supreme Court.

    The CONSTITUTION both takes away and protects INALIENABLE RIGHTS,
    which are SUBORDINATED to the DISCRETION of the STATE!

    Ergo, INALIENABLE RIGHTS become Conditional Rights, redefined by
    whatever those in power define it to be. ”

    The Declaration of Independence contains the philosophical and moral arguments for independence and thus provides the foundation for the Constitution, which translates its classical liberal principles into a form of government conducive to their expression. As you rightly point out, the Declaration does not have “direct” standing, but is helpful in understanding the original intent of the Framers.

    Where we depart, George, is in your contention that our inalienable rights are legally subordinated to the discretion of the government. In practice, this is certainly true. When House Speaker and “Progressive” Democrat Nancy Pelosi was asked, for example, “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?” she bulked at the idea that anything could limit her power, responding “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

    So while those in power have and may continue to erode our individual liberties, and the effort is certainly bipartisan, we still have a Constitution that can be called upon to reverse the process. And sometimes the Supreme Court even agrees.

    Apropos our discussion (Jez, this will be informative for you, too):

    “Liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans may disagree on all kinds of things, but based on the way they govern, they’ve reached a consensus that the Bill of Rights is just way too long.

    Indeed, with the exception of the Third Amendment (the one about quartering of troops), is there any aspect of the Bill of Rights that they both support without reservation?

    Had enough of left and right? Maybe you’re ready for some Reason.”

    Watch the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pk8IxqYF0E

  363. 367 1george1

    GEM to Portia,
    Your explantion is pretty accurate, with minor disagreements.

    PORTIA:
    Where we depart, George, is in your contention that our inalienable
    rights are legally subordinated to the discretion of the government.
    In practice, this is certainly true.

    GEM to Portia,
    I did not write that I like the idea that many Inalienable Rights are
    subordinate to the Constitution and Rule of Law ….
    We effectually agree on the present reality.
    The CONSTITUTION specifically states “the J U S T C O N S E N T
    of the G O V E R N E D.
    I am consistent in that I believe most present DEMONcrats and
    RepubliCONNartists use FRAUD, which if PROVEN, takes away the
    pretext of “COLOR of the LAW” and “JUST CONSENT.”

    Do we have a BASTARD GOVERNMENT fraudulently portraying itself
    as legitimate and conforming to CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE-PURVIEW?

    One thing I love about the ENGLISH MONARCHY is that their entire
    NORMAN based lineage / heiratage is based on a BASTARD, William I
    of NOMANDY.
    ALL subsequent English royalty are “Fruit of the POISONED TREE?”
    or “USURPERS by ROYAL INCEST” or “CONQUEST.”

    British empire conquored the WORLD.
    Their commoners are no better off than Colonial villeins, peons, serfs.

    The USA is becoming their mirror image. 😦

    NIXON:
    “IT IS NOT ILLEGAL WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT.”

    NIXON took lotta heat for that takeoff on “the Divine Right of Kings.”

    NIXON was also the one who had the TAPES INSTALLED and he KNEW
    the WHOLE MAGILLAH was being recorded.

    I have copy of 1987 George Mcgovern Parade Magazine article citing
    many examples where Military and Intelligence violated the Constitution
    and legal laws, analogous to Frank Church Senate Select Committee findings ..

  364. 368 portia1776

    Chris,

    “You accuse me…” – No need to… each of your posts is a case study in reputational suicide. They also demonstrate what (to borrow “Doc” Gunther’s brilliant phrase): “a pontificating, sanctimonious hypocrite with a convenient memory” you, like your hero Jimmy Miron, are.

    “you’re going to hide behind your screen name” – trotting out this tired attack, again? Jez already called you out on this, as quoted from above: “Rules: Anonymity will be maintained unless there are multiple usernames from the same IP address. Identity does not make a point valid or invalid.”

    “your condescending” – The elitist charge? Really? You know who hid behind this poor excuse after being devastated by tricky, “gotcha” facts: http://reason.com/blog/2009/11/24/sarah-palin-and-the-weekly-sta

    “And by the way, you still haven’t given any example of where I advocated for ‘total regulation’” – add another attribute to your descriptive list: “pathological.”

    How many times and in how many ways do I have to point out that when you wrote “By the time bad actors in a laissez faire capitalist system are eliminated, the damage has already been done…” you were, albeit now mindless, arguing for total regulation, i.e., the only way to prevent the possibility of bad actors all the time is to eliminate all actors.

    “As for Jefferson and Hamilton, I was simply pointing out that from the founding of our country, the lines have always been blurred within individuals and among various factions” – so you admit to making a point that was completely irrelevant to the discussion, which had been about the merits of lassiez-faire and classical liberalism (i.e., individualism) over various collectivist alternatives.

    “And the authorship is not as cut and dried as you make it out to be. While he may have been the primary author, your source clearly states…” – I accept your apology. He was not “a” but “the” author, as stated. As I also wrote, and my source confirms, there were “other draft committee members providing comment and editing, including John Adams and Ben Franklin…” By using the word “draft committee” and listing two prominent members in addition to Jefferson, I didn’t think it necessary to list all the committee’s members, including Connecticut’s own Roger Sherman.

    “The Declaration was a work of collaborative authorship” – Jefferson was the author, as he wrote the first draft and all the suggested changes, save the redactions made by Congress’ pro-slavery faction, were approved by him. Jefferson asked others to comment and collaboratively worked to refine the draft, but he largely retained editorial control as the committee’s writer.

    But enough with the minutia. You have failed to substantiate any of your false claims against me and, more importantly, classical liberalism and laissez-faire. You have similarly failed to take a principled stand on anything when confronted with the facts or challenged to clarify your views, revealing, for example, your grandly expressed support for individual civil liberties to have been motivated only by Democratic partnership and therefore fraudulent. Changing the subject and ignoring what has been written does not change the reality, no matter how much you hope it will.

    “You are beginning to sound like Glenn Beck” – I’ll take that as a compliment if you have Beck’s demolition of Connecticut’s Attorney General, Democratic Senate candidate, and the Mirons’ abettor Richard “it was in the ‘national health, safety and interest’ for me to be a student intern at the Washington Post” Blumenthal, in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxVi1EzUmMI (Part 1).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksVitzMsLYA (Part 2).

  365. 369 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “I’ll take that as a compliment if you have Beck’s demolition of Connecticut’s Attorney General, Democratic Senate candidate”

    Now that’s just not fair. You expect someone to defend Blumenthal? Let me give it a try: He’s not Linda McMahon.

    He’ll fit right in. Apparently he thinks you can “borrow” $72,000 from bereaved families and pay them back years and years later with no interest.

    Linda only wants tax cuts for herself and her rich friends, more drilling and, of course, no healthcare unless you are rich.

    Who is the least worst?

  366. 370 portia1776

    George,

    “We effectually agree on the present reality.” – In the Constitutional context, yes, absolutely. I just wanted to demarcate the borders of our agreement. Presidents Bush and Obama have vividly illustrated the longstanding decay in our national ethics, morals, knowledge of history, political theory, economics, and adherence to the Constitution.

    Christopher Hitchens wrote a poignant article on the disturbing reality of “America the Banana Republic: The ongoing financial meltdown is just the latest example of a disturbing trend that, to this adoptive American, threatens to put the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave on a par with Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and Equatorial Guinea (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/10/hitchens200810?currentPage=all).” (Note: all those failed states are bloody experiments in collectivism that resulted in socialist dictatorships).

    “NIXON was also the one who had the TAPES INSTALLED and he KNEW the WHOLE MAGILLAH was being recorded.” – I couldn’t help but smile on your use of the Jewish expression “whole magillah” in the context of America’s most racist, anti-Semitic, and “Progressive” president (since FDR), Richard M. Nixon.

    On a side note: nice article in today’s Star. I think you are right about my having a positive influence on your work, as this one was more readable than usual. I also found it mostly agreeable, with the exception of the ending. Don’t pay much mind to Pedoto; he is too Procrustean.

  367. 371 portia1776

    Jez,

    “You expect someone to defend Blumenthal?” – No harm in asking… Chris still apparently defends Jimmy Miron. If anyone can defend Blumenthal, a pro like him can.

    “no healthcare unless you are rich.” – Don’t you think the candidate from the WWE might want government subsidies to promote “growth” among her constituents/employees? “Free juice” for all!!!

    “Who is the least worst?” – Now who’s being unfair… that’s a trick question!

    Perhaps we need to dispense with the usual metrics of character, morality, qualifications, contrasting political and economic philosophies and, as McMahon says, “try something different.” Why don’t we decide who to vote for based on the volume of attacks ads, the viciousness of each candidates lies, and how many times each candidate says pre-selected drinking game words (e.g,. “smackdown”) during their debates, I mean, joint press conferences.

  368. 372 cstratct

    Portia,

    A person can be condescending without being elitist. Not all elitists are condescending and not all condescending people are elitist. Unless you’re admitting that you are both. Regardless, this appears to be another case of your imaginative (albeit misguided) attempt to twist the meanings of my statements. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised by now. Despite your arrogance and continued insults, I’m certainly not going to sink to your level.

    I’ve made it clear time after time that I have never advocated total regulation. I can’t say it any more clearly than that. Go re-read the last two paragraphs of Jezebel’s post #362. While Jezebel and I may disagree on some of Stratford’s political machinations, we tend to find a significant amount of agreement on national issues, as we do here.

    Now, I’m sure you’ll come back with some more insults, as you seem as interested in coming after me as you do in suggesting your opinions and facts are more “right” then anyone else’s. After all, you’re the one continuing to talk about Jim Miron. Last time I checked, Stratford has had a new Mayor for nearly 9 months. If you go back and look at the posts over that time, I’ve posted mostly on national issues and in certain cases supported actions by Mayor Harkins. So as you say, Get Real!

    You want to talk about bullies, look in the mirror. I certainly have nothing on you when it comes to I find your self-aggrandizing behavior. I suppose I should be flattered that you have taken such an interest in my posts. In actuality, I find it rather pathetic.

  369. 373 portia1776

    Jez,

    I had not planned to respond, but now, having had your thoughts hijacked by Chris, find it welcoming to demonstrate, by way of response, how an honest debate works.

    “But, ‘I want a country where responsibility still means something’ is a generational solution. If it happened we probably wouldn’t need police either. If it happened globally, who would need a military?” – It is an individual solution that is generational and, indeed, endless. Perfection is impossible and utopia ultimately uninviting. As Martin Amis recently said on Charlie Rose, when discussing the Marxist vision of a communist utopia: “And actually, you know, what sort of a utopia would it be? It would be hideous… it’s an appalling vision. Utopias are always hells.”

    Put another way, and brought closer to our own reality, consider Christopher Hitchens’ thoughts on New York City under Mayor Bloomberg (whom he describes as “that most pathetic and annoying figure—the micro-megalomaniac”):

    “So there are laws that are defensible but unenforceable, and there are laws impossible to infringe. But in the New York of Mayor Bloomberg, there are laws that are not possible to obey, and that nobody can respect, and that are enforced by arbitrary power. The essence of tyranny is not iron law. It is capricious law. Tyranny can be petty. And ‘petty’ is not just Bloomberg’s middle name. It is his name.

    The lawbreaking itch is not always an anarchic one. In the first place, the human personality has (or ought to have) a natural resistance to coercion. We don’t like to be pushed and shoved, even if it’s in a direction we might choose to go. In the second place, the human personality has (or ought to have) a natural sense of the preposterous (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2004/02/hitchens200402?currentPage=all ).”

    “We disagree on the methods. What is needed is what we are guaranteed by the Constitution. Equal protection of the law. That means enforcement as well. However, there is only one entity that can accomplish that. The government.” – I fail to see any grounds for disagreement in this passage. If anything, I think you understate the matter. In the areas given to the purview of government by our Constitution, the government’s role was intended, and should be, decisive. For instance:

    “We need safe streets and the comfort of knowing our military is protecting us from foreign attacks — we need to know our contracts will be enforced, that disputes can be settled fairly and that coercion against us will be punished. We need to know the rule of law will be applied to everyone equally and that there’s not a privileged class above the law. Minorities need to live free of fear that the majority will run over them and make them second-class citizens — that individual rights are protected regardless of the majority opinion.

    These are important and vital duties of government, but the State has gone beyond these dut[i]es to use government as a tool to gain control over the economy and power to violate individual rig[h]ts with impunity — those who are supposed to protect rights and apply the laws equally are abusing power — they’re not carrying out their duties as outlined and limited in the Constitution.

    So, when limited government is promoted, this is not anti-government extremism — it’s a call for government to do its job, and only its job — to serve, and protect individuals and their property (life, liberty and pursuit of happiness) from coercion (http://bonzai.squarespace.com/blog/2010/7/9/the-proper-role-of-government.html ).”

    While a good deal better, this statement also does not go far enough, leaving out, for example, government’s constitutional rulership in the areas of international relations (especially trade) and monetary policy (we want the government to create currency, just not too much of it).

    “Sadly, this payback politics that the GOP seems to be waging…” – Both parties are into payback politics, it’s what they do best. Many Republicans pander to social conservatives. Many Democrats pander to unions. Most Democrats and Republicans pander to big businesses and Wall Street, albeit Republicans are vastly inferior to Democrats at being two-faced about it. Consider the staggering ability of President Obama to condemn Wall Street in one breath and in the next “schmooze… [with] Joan Ganz Cooney, wife of Blackstone Group’s Pete Peterson, and ex-Martha Stewart CEO Sharon Patrick”” at a $30,000+ a plate fundraiser hosted by hedge-fund billionaire Marc Lasry and attended by 60 rapaciously rich Democrats at the Four Seasons restaurant. To be fair, according to the NY Post’s spies, President Obama didn’t actually “break bread” with the capitalist pigs/his supporters, eating his steak alone in a private room.

    “…is rendering the government impotent.” – Jez, government has had too much “Progressive” stimuli… it’s time, as the commercial says, to call a doctor.

  370. 374 portia1776

    Chris,

    It is admittedly pathetic on my part to answer this – to continue to dignify by way of a reasoned response the words of someone who has never extended the same basic courtesy to my own words – but to not do so might, in fact, be condescending.

    I have addressed Jez’s great post above and have responded to it in a manner that should prove instructive for you.

    “After all, you’re the one continuing to talk about Jim Miron.” – You must have missed Jez’s highlighting our disgraced ex-mayor’s quixotic state senatorial run as well as his drunk driver chasing legal practice: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/a-little-comic-relief/#comment-13433

    Miron’s horrid administration and his latest sordid scheme (to steal our tax dollars through the absurd “clean election” public financing of his state senate campaign) are not, in and of themselves, relevant.

    What is very relevant and is under no statute of limitations to mention is Miron’s particular style of politics and your continued embodiment of that style: arrogance, ignorance, demagoguery, and pathology.

    Don’t tell us Miron slithered out of the office less than a year ago and we should forget his reign of terror. Tell us when you will concede that the facts are in (the secret Miron-Loschiavo pact, for example) and you were wrong. I’m sure those you viciously attacked in your relentless campaign to defend and vindicate every Miron misdeed would appreciate the gesture. As a proof of sincerity, you might let us know that, having learned your lesson, you will not be supporting Miron for State Senate or any other office above dog catcher – and even if he sought that job, you would have grave concerns about the potential for cruelty to animals given his record of cruelty to humans, especially Stratford town employees with integrity and intelligence.

    Prove me wrong: write a candid admission of the error of your ways and desire to move on. The fact that you haven’t done so before this rather late date leaves little faith to expect you to do the right thing now. And that is the point. Chris, you have shown a penchant to never, under any circumstances, admit a mistake. On the contrary, your counterfeit claims are repeated anew after each refutation and your lame and dishonest tactics are recycled no matter how many times rebuked. There is no shame in being overwhelmed. Even Jimmy stopped polluting the pages of the newspaper with his bile after a tsunami of evidence broke above him.

  371. 375 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Don’t tell us Miron slithered out of the office less than a year ago and we should forget his reign of terror.”

    Imagine me agreeing completely with a free market laissez faire capitalist. There is something new every day.

    But let’s not forget his legacy: Sue Collier, John Buturla, Rich Buturla (still happily billing us), Patrick Riddenhour, James Cavanaugh, Curtis Maffet and of course the benign neglect of EMS.

    And, not the least of which, the continued suspension without pay of Captain McNeil and Lt. Soto. (There will be much more on John Harkins lack of will in a new post soon).

  372. 376 1george1

    PORTIA:
    Don’t pay much mind to Pedoto; he is too Procrustean.

    GEORGE:
    I had to look up Procrustean. Good word. In looking it up, I found
    reference to “The Purloined Letter, by Edgar Allen Poe,” relative to
    “hiding in plain sight,” and “The Invisible Gorilla.”

    I have created in Letters to the Editor, references to “The Purloined
    Letter,” but it has not been published.
    The few who have that Letter to the Editor would not have reference
    to Doc Gunther.

    I may have posted on this blog, but I do not remember doing so?

    Conversely, your posts have given me 3rd party support both by the
    compliments you have given, and by the level of writen dialogue you
    and I, along with Jeze and Chris communicate.

    The types of reference we make are not in Mr. Pedoto’s or some of
    the blogger’s experience and because they do not believe and are
    ignorant (not stupid) of certain situation, they resort to delusional
    and tin foil hat denigrations.

    Mr. Pedoto does to me, what I do to the Democrats and Republicans.

    However, I do not attack them as people, but I berate their political
    decisions.

    Whereas Mr. Pedoto is obsessed with me, using consistent inaccuracies
    about my life and faulty analogies towards absurd conclusions.

    Mr. Pedoto also backs the Mirons.

    A 500 word letter to the Editor lacks room for me to completely explain
    many things, in no small part because there are so many facets and factors,
    and Mr. Pedoto is correct in that my abilities are limited.

    To his credit, he also notes that about himself.

    Ever notice that the Stratford establishment, whether under Miron or
    Harkins does not EVER attack my Letters to the Editor?

    I also substanciate facts to various media, supporting Letters to the Editor,
    when things had NOT been Published by them.

    If they have Published, then it is Public Record …..

    Notice the CT POST escentially ran the same story TWO DAYS in a row
    on the FRONT PAGE, that substancially corroberated my Letter to the
    Editor in the Stratford Star.

    I may or may not be delusional.

    However I gave exculpation, mitigation, alibis and a way out for the unions,
    and many local players, including the Mafia, by pointing the real enemy is
    the Macro Economic problem causers.

    —-

    PORTIA:
    “NIXON was also the one who had the TAPES INSTALLED and he
    KNEW the WHOLE MAGILLAH was being recorded.”
    – I couldn’t help but smile on your use of the Jewish expression
    “whole magillah” in the context of America’s most racist, anti-Semitic, and “Progressive” president (since FDR), Richard M. Nixon.

    GEORGE:
    The inclusion of the Jewish term “magillah” by me was intentional and
    among many Jewish / Yiddish terms I found on the internet a few years
    ago.

    My grandfather claimed Roosevelt’s name was “Rosenfeldt.”
    My grandfather claimed Roosevelts were Jewish.
    My grandfather was not anti-semetic.
    I have posted that I support FDR Democrats and Lincoln-Ike Republicans

    The only time I heard my grandfather swear was in reference to
    “One Worlders.” He never explained. He also disliked Tom Dodd.

    I wonder how many Millions Chris Dodd will make as a Lobbyist/Consultant
    to develope Bridgeport & Stratford?
    Note what he/others did for saving NEW LONDON SUB BASE 10,500 JOBS?
    It is also Chronicled in the Rob Kaiser Book – “So Damn Much Money.”

    Joe Lieberman’s biography of John Moran Bailey, notes certain points
    about the INSURANCE INDUSTRY as a Revenue / Power Source

    It also points to 2 main CT Political Power areas:
    Hartford
    Greenwich

    Where are this years major candidates from?

    He also points the main ethnic political groups of his era’s CT.
    Jewish + Italian + Irish – Tammany Hall working with/for certain WASPS

    Tammany Hall Carmine DeSapio helped elect W. Averell Harriman D-NY Gov.
    Alleged Tammany Hall Gerry Finkelstein claimed to helped elect Nelson
    Rockefeller R-NY Gov.

    Harriman’s father Ed was partners to grandfather John D Rockefeller in the
    original Standard Oil Trust monopoly, which caused the Sherman anti-Trust
    Act.

    Prescott Bush, father and grandfather to Presidents Bush, was a partner to
    W. Averill Harriman’s Brown Brothers’ Harriman, with Rockefeller on Board
    of Directors.

    Rockefeller’s / others are the Industrial in the Military Industrial Complex.

    Congress / Legislatures elected by Drug Money / Weapons Money in USA
    same as being shown in Mexico / Columbia.

    Military – Intelligence at the highest levels control everything.

    Harlem Globe Trotters opponent’s name?
    I wonder why.

    this will be moved

  373. 377 cstratct

    Portia,

    I don’t have to justify my opinions to you, or anyone for that matter. Nor do I have to apologize for expressing my opinions, on Miron or any topic. Perhaps you missed the memo. I no longer reside in Stratford, and have been transitioning for some time, so I have refrained from commenting on CT issues (and therefore Stratford specific issues).

    But I’ll say this again so you get it through your thick skull: My opinions regarding Miron and other Stratford-related issues are just that, my opinions. I don’t have to apologize for having an opinion that differs from yours or anyone else’s.

    I really don’t care what you think of me or about the insults you continue to post. Making comments like this while hiding behind a keyboard takes no courage whatsoever. Arrogance, yes. Courage, not in the least. I was a resident and a volunteer in a town I enjoyed living in and hope to see revitalized in the future. I hope that one day the Theatre will be revitalized and the town will benefit financially and artistically.

    Apparently you have an axe to grind with Miron. Grind it until you’re blue in the face. As for me, I’ll post about what I want when I want. I disagree with your positions on the issues discussed in this thread and on George’s thread, which is what I’ve been commenting on the past few days. I’ll continue to be civil despite your continued attacks. I have no interest in sinking to your level.

  374. 378 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Making comments like this while hiding behind a keyboard takes no courage whatsoever.”

    Editor’s note: At ALL times “anonymity will be maintained unless there are multiple usernames from the same IP address”.

    While I find personal attacks on named private individuals repulsive, public figures like mayors, candidates, councilmen, chiefs, supervisors and department heads are fair game. (Times v. Sullivan). Nonetheless, I do not pre-edit posts. They are what they are. I do not recall deleting any post.

  375. 379 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    Did I miss something? I don’t recall suggesting you deleted any posts, nor did I call on you to expose anyone’s identity. I was simply pointing out that Portia continues to berate me while hiding behind a keyboard. He/she is under no obligation to reveal his/her identity, but it brings into question the individual’s character, as he/she is intent on attacking my character but unwilling to conduct the conversation on a level playing field. I don’t know who Portia is (although I have my suspicions), but he/she accuses me of being a bully and castigates me for my “arrogance” yet exhibits the same behaviors and manners he/she say he/she abhors. If Portia (or others) are so offended or put off by my demeanor, why emulate the behavior? It seems to me that says as much about that individual as it does about me.

    And personal attacks on anyone, regardless of his/her public standing, is what has brought us to where we are today. A much more coarse and less respectful society.

    I’ve worked very hard to be respectful on this blog since I came on here last fall. I even find myself disagreeing with people who are now turning on Mayor Harkins. But as I said earlier, I’m refraining from commenting on Stratford-specific issues since I no longer reside in the town. I come here mainly to engage in the discussions on national topics, as I do enjoy reading and responding to the comments and ideas expressed with respect to these topics.

  376. 380 1george1

    JEZE: “While I find personal attacks on named private individuals
    repulsive, public figures like mayors, candidates, councilmen,
    chiefs, supervisors and department heads are fair game.
    (Times v. Sullivan).

    Nonetheless, I do not pre-edit posts. They are what they are.
    I do not recall deleting any post.”

    GEORGE:
    I recall that you (jeze) were deleting my posts constantly, until
    I called you on it comparing to I forget whom. (boooooo!) 😦

    As a result you started moving what you consider “not relevant”
    to other blog strings. Acceptable, but still editting?

    I could go back a year, pick a string, then post multiple posts #s
    which would prove that you deleted MANY of my posts! 😦
    I expect your to plead guilty by reason of insanity, since I have
    driven you crazy! 😉

    By deleting post and / or moving them, you are in fact editting them,
    in my opinion. 8)

    —-

    GEORGE to JEZE:
    “While I find personal attacks on named private individuals repulsive.”

    We agree here completely in sentiment:

    In practice, there was the attacks on Brooke Miron and the preteen
    kid, who was a Miron grandchild.

    I am no friends of Mirons nor are they friends of mine, but I stepped
    up to challenge almost everyone on the blog, and it went away.

    There were attacks on Christian, who was an irrelevant political minion
    like many in both parties, but lost that status with the police incident.

    ——

    GEORGE to JEZE:
    What is past may not be prologue:
    However the Mirons / Burturlas – Kellys / Florek / Butternuts should not
    get a free past on revisionism, nor selective memory.

    Fair is fair. I have to correct your reply to Chris.

    Consolation: I admire your passion, responsiveness, and many of your
    positions as they relate to people in general and less to some of the
    most favored workers / ex-managers. (I like / admire many – not all)

    ——-

    To Chris

    Losing you as a Stratford Resident, Volunteer, and opinionation is a
    loss for the Town. You coulda been a great gadfly.

    Your intelligence is obvious.

    Jeze and other bloggers hate the Mirons! Chris, you will never get them
    to a reasonable argument, the same way Miron supporter Joe Pedoto
    (3rd Letter against me in this week’s Star) will ever argue reasonably or
    accept any answer I give.

    He, you, they, and I are entitled to our respective opinions.

    I try to base my criticism and praise to public / political realm.
    Personal attacks like delusional, take meds, psyche exam, tin foil hat –
    it comes with the territory of political posturing, especially as it affects
    MONEY ISSUES – like PENSIONS – HEALTH CARE – CONTRACTS – FEES.

    This same week Mr. Pedoto attacked me directly, my letter to the editor
    was about the hardship many Stratford home owners face, in part because
    taxes are about twice what they should be in Stratford.
    However, I also attacked Oil/Gas pricing effect on the Economy and the
    fact that the FEDS / STATE affect much of Stratford Revenue and Costs.

    Chris I believe you are an idealist (idea + list) liberal, which I believe that
    everyone should be, despite the revisionist connotation and usurpation
    of the former (& now nominal) Democratic party by a variety of extremists.
    (Different & same extremist groups controls the nominal Republicans)

    Chris I believe Jim Miron gained your support by deceitful default.
    1 – We both want both want Shakespeare and other operations.
    2 – We both hated the Hanney Deal. I believed it pretext.
    3 – Neither of us likes, nor respects many RTC / Council positions.
    4 – We want the Theater to not be a money pit and to pay taxes.
    ….. A – You / other point out non profits can have subcontract
    ………. for Profits which pay Taxes.
    ….. B – I prefer Theater renovations pay for itself by drama-documentary
    ……… and licensing. I prefer it to generate substantive property tax.

    Our arguments were based more on “my lack of ability to articulate”
    certain things and “you understanding things differently than I meant,”
    rather than any huge differences.

    Passion is a good thing. However it can lead to distorted perceptions
    on both of our parts.

    Sylvia was much like you in her youth, from what I understood in her
    e-mails. However, she believed as I do that Democrat power brokers
    wanted to perpetuate dependancy.

    Many people do not recognize or relate to the Democratic or Republican
    parties and are often against them to go to the alternative despite what
    Portia brilliantly wrote about

    Republican Deeds not being consistent with their Actions…. (not exact)

  377. 381 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “He/she is under no obligation to reveal his/her identity,”

    That was my only point.

    “And personal attacks on anyone, regardless of his/her public standing, is what has brought us to where we are today”

    Well, incompetence, lying (and lying and lying and lying), bullying, intimidation, false claims and ego are kinda personal no matter how you look at it.

  378. 382 1george1

    “Silence is concent!”

    Apology accepted.

    🙂

  379. 383 portia1776

    Chris,

    “I don’t have to justify my opinions to you, or anyone for that matter. Nor do I have to apologize for expressing my opinions, on Miron or any topic.” – I did not ask for you to “apologize.” Nor would I ask you to apologize for expressing your opinions, no matter how reprehensible your continued support of Jimmy Miron. I didn’t even ask you to “apologize” for the bullying manner in which you used to relish expressing that ill-advised support.

    What I did ask was that now, with the benefit of hindsight, you show that you have the character to fess up to being wrong, catastrophically in the case of Miron and embarrassingly in some of your exchanges with me (for instance, the attack of yours predicated on a basic reading error: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13429).

    But you have not and will not. Preempting your latest evasions I wrote above that: “you have shown a penchant to never, under any circumstances, admit a mistake.” I now leave it to fair-minded readers to draw the necessary conclusion on what your quotient of intellectual integrity and honor might be.

    “I don’t have to apologize for having an opinion that differs from yours or anyone else’s.” – Let’s try this a third time: I asked for you to “concede” to having been proven wrong, not to “apologize” for being wrong. But the distinction is clearly wasted on you. And, after all, you really weren’t wrong, right? Your opinions, by virtue of being yours, are immune to facts? Even the (non-existent) ones you claimed would one day vindicate the pro-Miron cause?

    In addition to the moral problem, there is a practical problem with refusing to recognize personal failings: unaudited errors are never learned from. Giancarlo Livraghi, writing in The Power of Stupidity (Il Potere Della Stupidita in the original Italian), offers this telling admonishment: “What is really stupid isn’t making mistakes, but not understanding (of admitting) that we do – and not knowing how to use them as a source of improvement.”

    Once more, I ask fair-minded readers to judge whether your posts show more or less honesty and decency than those dark, not-too-distant days when you were exclusively a Miron apologist.

    “Making comments like this while hiding behind a keyboard takes no courage whatsoever.” –Maimonides may not have had avatars like Jez, Sudds, and Columbia (me) in mind, but what he wrote remains applicable: “…one should accept the truth from whatever source it proceeds.”

    “Apparently you have an axe to grind with Miron.” – I think it is the other way around, considering Miron is shamelessly running as the Democratic Party endorsed candidate for an office whose jurisdiction includes Stratford – and is hoping to extract tens of thousands of our tax dollars to finance this farce (in the Marxist dialectic, Miron’s mayoralty was the tragedy).

    “As for me, I’ll post about what I want when I want.” – Who said you could not? As a classical liberal I stand foursquare against censorship of any kind.

    “she is intent on attacking my character” – Your character committed suicide.

    “personal attacks on anyone, regardless of his/her public standing, is what has brought us to where we are today. A much more coarse and less respectful society.” “I’ve worked very hard to be respectful on this blog since I came on here last fall.” – What do they say about people who live in glass houses throwing stones… Every one of your posts has contained baseless accusations and attempts to defame your humble servant. In the last two alone you accuse me of being a “coward” and having a “thick skull.” Previously, you tried to dismiss me as a “conservative,” “tea partier,” “too theoretical” and “sounding like Glenn Beck” (by the way, the latest insults don’t have the same panache. Are you even trying?)

  380. 384 1george1

    A few months ago Chris and I went at it over similar miscommunications,
    whereas I felt I was attacked and Chris felt he was attacked.

    When one feels attacked, especially construed that insults were personal
    and undeserved, the natural reaction is to take offense and counter.

    I believe neither Chris, nor Portia will concede anything.
    I believe both Chris and Portia will considerthey wear the White Hat and
    are the “good guy.”

    There are many people on this blog who have called me “delusional”
    same as Mr. Pedoto, for many of the same reasons.
    Mr. Pedoto ran over to Jim Miron after the PYE Mayorial debate/meet.
    The Bloggers are vehemently anti-Mirons / Burturlas.

    Even paranoid people can have real enemies.

    Even delusional people can be correct.
    I predicted Harkins (good cop) would be similar to (bad cop) Miron:
    Same Law Firms
    Same Police Chief
    Same Fire Chief
    Same PW
    Same key finance person
    Same 1st year high tax increase
    Same ELIMINATION of a SHAKESPEARE BIDDER
    Same RESULT of AVCO
    Same lost ACRE to AIRPORT
    Same completely ignoring RAYMARK.
    Same ignoring a REAL SOLUTION on PENSIONS – HEALTH CARE of
    people / situations costing an extra 6 Mils.
    Same ECS – UNFUNDED MANDATES

  381. 385 portia1776

    George,

    “I believe neither Chris, nor Portia will concede anything.” – Well, that is half true. I remain committed to reasoned debate and truth, readily admit mistakes, am curious of and open to differing viewpoints, and have publicly corrected myself, without prompting: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13429

    Consider those qualities in light of Chris’ condemnation of the so-called “Patriot Act” and errorision of individual civil liberties only when he could blame President Bush and Republicans. Since I have pointed out that Democrats overwhelming voted for the original act and, moreover, President Obama and the “Progressives” in this Democratic majority Congress have now extended this travesty without amendment, Chris has remained conspicuously silent: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/finreg/#comment-13444

    As for “miscommunication” – I leave that to you to judge:
    https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13429

  382. 386 portia1776

    Getting back to the topic at hand, consider the following Q&A prepared by http://www.bankruptingamerica.org – which claims to be a non-partisan, independent organization that provides facts on government overspending.

    A video of people being quizzed at the Beck rally can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CNouuc-yog (I have removed the direct links to the answer sources below so as to avoid spam prison. The source links are available below the video in YouTube).

    (1) Q: Bush or Obama? This president spent a record-breaking $3 trillion in a single year.


    A: Both. In 2008, Bush was the first president to spend $3 trillion in a single year. According to White House estimates, Obama will spend $3.6 trillion in 2010 and $3.8 trillion in 2011.
 Source: White House (dot) Gov

    (2) Q: Bush or Obama? This president bailed out hundreds of large banks and corporations.

    A: Both. Obama carried out Bush’s unpopular $700 billion bailout for failing corporations. Together, the presidents have bailed out over 600 businesses since Spring 2008. Source: New York Times

    (3) Q: Bush or Obama? This president spent billions of taxpayer dollars on “stimulus” spending during a recession.



    A: Both. In 2008, Bush spent over $100 billion on rebates to stimulate consumer spending – his second attempt at using spending as stimulus. In 2009, Obama enacted a $814 billion stimulus package. Sources: CBO

    (4) Q: Bush or Obama? This President increased spending by many times the rate of inflation across most non-defense categories.

    A: Both. Contrary to popular belief, defense and homeland security spending only made up about 40 percent of Bush’s new spending. He increased spending across most non-defense categories (such as education, Medicare, income security) by four to six times the rate of inflation. In Obama’s first half year in office, many of these budgets rose another 70 percent. Source: White House (dot) Gov

    (5) Q: Bush or Obama? This president passed an expensive healthcare bill.

    A: Both. In 2003, George Bush signed into law Medicare Part D, which cost hundreds of billions of dollars. As you probably know, President Obama also enacted an expensive healthcare package earlier this year (though cost estimates vary considerably). Source: Forbes

  383. 387 portia1776

    According to ABC News:

    “With the support of Sen. Chris Dodd, D.-Conn., the federal government has awarded $54 million to Connecticut’s politically well-connected Mohegan Indian tribe, which operates one of the highest grossing casinos in the U.S.

    The Mohegan tribe, which owns the Mohegan Sun casino in Uncasville, Conn., has been awarded a $54 million loan from federal stimulus funds.

    The tribe runs the sprawling Mohegan Sun casino, halfway between New York City and Boston, which earned more than $1.3 billion in gross revenues in 2009… The stimulus money is a loan from a U.S. Department of Agriculture rural development program that is meant to help communities of less than 20,000 people that have been ‘unable to obtain other credit at reasonable rates and terms and are unable to finance the proposed project from their own resources.’

    In fiscal 2009, $53.6 million in casino profits went into the coffers of the Mohegan tribe, which uses the money to fund college scholarships, housing and health care (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mohegan-sun-casino-owners-received-54-million-stimulus/story?id=10889408 ).”

    Who knew that it was so hard to get a loan with billions of dollars in collateral and tens of millions in profits? Aren’t you glad that we have a government that helps those in need, even the most privileged provided they are politically connected?

    The real story here, though, is Democratic Congressman Jim Himes, who is apparently more pro-Miron than “pro-job.”

    Congressman Himes declined to join the rest of Connecticut’s Democratic congressional delegation in giving tax payer dollars to millionaires (this time) saying, via a spokesperson, that he “did not weigh in on this specific project since it is not in his district.”

    And yet he is willing to fundraise for the churlish James R. Miron in Shelton, only part of which is in his district: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/a-little-comic-relief/#comment-13433

  384. 388 1george1

    Portia,
    When critcizing both (nominal and ranking) Democrats and Republicans
    you are preaching to the choir, relative to my posts.

    I would support an FDR Democrats or Lincoln/Ike Republican in a second
    IF, IF, IF I believed he / she was credible?

    I do not see any.

    —-

    When the casinos were first developing, the Hartford political mafia which
    is the Legislature suspended the Ethics rule relating to having to wait one
    year from going from government to head or be on the Board of Casinos.

    Rumors are of private gambling rooms for State officials / troopers who
    get the INSPECTOR TREATMENT from the film Casa Blanca.

    Put their chips on a roulette #, and collect regardless of where the ball
    lands on the wheel of fortune …..

    —–

    I think the Miron Tombstone is for plausible deniability for selling out
    Stratford’s people and sovereignty.

    I believe Berchem’s Westport partner IRA BLOOM was ARMY JUDGE
    ADVOCATE as is Florek’s (he told me) partner and the presenter for
    Monty Posillico to the Feehan Town Council.

    I suspect there are a few law firms and political people like DODD
    poised to suck Bridgeport / Stratford dry when developed which
    should have been done in the 1980s.

    ——

    Chris has moved and posted that he reads but posts less.

    Chris is a bright and good young man, who takes slight at certain comments,
    like we all do. Except in my case and yours, we were not looking to fight
    with Chris or even have a major disagreement.
    We can disagree philosophically or politically on priorities.

    —–

    For the most part Portia, I have been energized by your posts and support
    when given.

    I have been disillusioned and dishearted by the collective shrug, ignorance
    within the town, and acceptance of corruption as SOP – acceptible.
    > I do feel I have gotten into the heads of the better people in the parties
    who did not realize effects, nor expect they would be entrapped and be
    the scapegoats, as portray at the top of Sunday’s CT. POST.

    Diane Buda + Eleanor Burke led. Everyone followed.
    Marcia Stewart has fought the good fight.
    The late great Ed (Beefy) Hargus spoke for Seniors and low/fixed income.
    The RAC succeeded other groups and turned things to Save Stratford,
    which appears to have folded their tent.

  385. 389 cstratct

    George,

    Thanks for your kind words. We may not have agreed on all fronts but I enjoyed our conversations, both on this blog and in the council chambers. Although I couldn’t always follow your logic in the posts, I found our in-person conversations very interesting and educational.

    For the most part, I have remained respectful on this blog despite some of the comments leveled at me from Sylvia, Mr. O’Meara and others “faceless” avatars. Did I strike back when provoked? Most certainly. But I came on here right after the election and congratulated Mayor Harkins and the posters, whoever they were, on the election. I also clearly stated that I didn’t like the way the payouts were handled, especially with people leaving office the way they did. I believe if you go back and look at the posts I said it was unprofessional and disrespectful.

    Honestly, I’m tired of people like Portia who consistently misrepresent my words and ideas and who display such intense animosity towards others while castigating them for exhibiting the exact same behaviors they themselves put on full display. That is hypocrisy of the highest order.

    My interactions with Jim Miron were very different from others on this blog. Granted, my interactions were very limited. I didn’t work for the town, I wasn’t an elected official, and I wasn’t involved with the DTC. The political arena, whether it be on the local, state or federal level, has become poisoned with vicious rhetoric coming from both sides. I don’t like it regardless of which side it is coming from.

    One final note to Portia with regard to the Patriot Act. When the bill passed the first time, the debate was so poisoned by Republicans that those who spoke against it were labeled un-American. Should Democrats have been more vocal in their opposition at the outset? Absolutely. And the continuing support for this misguided legislation from both sides of the aisle is mind-boggling. You originally pointed out the Democrats support for re-upping the legislation. I was pointing out that it was Republicans who rammed this through originally.

    Both sides are responsible for this mess, but I happen to believe the Republican tactics for pushing this through and playing on fear rather than standing up for civil liberties is worse (albeit not much) then the unwillingness of Democrats to challenge the legislation. Those were bully tactics and they are what Republicans continue to display on a number of issues. Demagoguery is wrong no matter what side it comes from, but from my perspective, Republicans have consistently raised the stakes by demagoguing many issues.

  386. 390 jezebel282

    Portia,

    I’m not going to bother commenting on the Fox News event over the weekend.

    What continues to perplex me is the constant partisanship we have seen in this country for the past 10 years. I cannot recall a time when every position is automatically rejected or even worse creating a proposal with the certain knowledge that it will be rejected.

    It almost seems that in the past few years the overriding principle of any proposed amendment or “solution” has been “what will piss them off the most”. And then voting against everything.

    And yet, both parties continue to ignore the reality. Two weeks ago 500,000 initial jobless claim were filed. Last week it was “only” 483,000. That’s 983,000 newly unemployed people. In TWO WEEKS!

    Instead we get revival meeting with Glenn Beck on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and a Sunday morning round of talking heads discussing it?

    It just makes you crazy.

  387. 391 1george1

    Chris,
    Thank you for the kind words.

    In our conversations in the Chamber, I also learned things,
    such as your idea for restaurant / catering hall onsite of
    the Shakespeare building.

    I also learned the NON PROFIT can subcontract to TAX
    PAYING for PROFITS.

    Many of my POSTS are like some of my Letters to the Editor.
    Difficult to follow / understand
    Disjointed
    Poorly transitioned from point C to D, then L to M.
    Most other poster only have point A or A + B.

    Reading Portia, who is a better writer and may include points
    A through M, made me see how difficult it was to pick out
    a specific point or point to concur / rebut / question / comment.

    Certain comparative situations are often needed to see flaws.

    I am not a professional writer.
    Some things I know to be true and related are not easy for me to
    connect in my writing limitations.

    It drives Jezebel and others crazy.
    I do write what I believe to be true, except an occasional fishing
    expedition, which sometimes bear fruit on or OFF the blog.

    Many past present Town Councilors / Board Ed / Town Committee
    people read the blog without commenting.

    Jeze and I have different perspectives, but want what each feels is
    best for Stratford.

    The information posted and the exchanges have gotten people to
    THINK and to MOVE POSITIONS.

    I have learned and changed some positions, slightly – So has Jeze and
    others.

  388. 392 1george1

    Example of how blogs helped me in debates:

    I have learned and changed some positions, slightly – So has Jeze and
    others.

    I too will and have attacked when attacked.
    Often it is just to get people to back off the personal carp, as bullies
    do not take to criticism …. they can dish. ….
    I also pretend to be angry and it is a good way to get people to lash back.

    At the Union Hall I got under Dominick’s skin and he lashed back showing
    me how he would attack me and how he did attack me at a CONDO debate.

    At that debate, I had given handouts that sabotaged Dominic’s attack.
    When he attack my mental stability …. I simply smiled as the audience
    did not like his attack.

    Several bloggers and Joe Pedoto in the star call me “delusional.”
    Even if I am delusions … it does not make me inaccurate, does it?

    By the end of the debates, Dominic stated he thought I was the second
    best debater / informed behind him.

    We even agreed on certain important issues during the debate.

    I knew from the prior election one of his supporters was a spy who pumped
    me for information and used it to help Dominic.
    This election I continually fed info to the spy.
    Dominic knew FACTS + ISSUES I wanted him to KNOW.
    However, I knew and understood the reasons WHY, behind those.
    I also knew the Mechanisms

  389. 393 1george1

    FOX is owned by MURDOCK
    CT POST is owned by HEARST CORP
    You were expecting?? What?

    JEZE:
    What continues to perplex me is the constant partisanship we have seen
    in this country for the past 10 years. I cannot recall a time when every
    position is automatically rejected or even worse creating a proposal with
    the certain knowledge that it will be rejected.

    GEORGE: IT IS CALLED POLITICAL POSTURING / POSITIONING

    JEZE:
    It almost seems that in the past few years the overriding principle of
    any proposed amendment or “solution” has been “what will piss them
    off the most”. And then voting against everything.

    GEORGE: IT IS CALLED POLITICAL POSTURING / POSITIONING
    IT IS AN ACT – LIKE MIRON / HENRICK or MIRON / O’NEILL or MIRON /
    Who was the voice of the FIRST CHARTER REVISION against MAYORALITY?

    JEZE:
    And yet, both parties continue to ignore the reality.

    GEORGE: IT IS CALLED POLITICAL POSTURING / POSITIONING
    Jim Miron called it “Smoke and Mirrors” aka Diversions

    JEZE
    Two weeks ago 500,000 initial jobless claim were filed.
    Last week it was “only” 483,000.
    That’s 983,000 newly unemployed people.
    In TWO WEEKS!

    GEORGE: IT IS CALLED POLITICAL POSTURING / POSITIONING
    Do Democrats and Republicans want to take responsibility
    and solve the problems, before they are ready to address them.
    They make matters worse, so they can implement their plans,
    benefit financially, perpetuate control. take credit for solving
    problems they created.
    NONE of this was NECESSARY.
    In BOOT CAMP, the Military BREAKS the BOOT and reshapes them
    to suit the needs of the STATE.

    Sunday channel surfing I ran across MLK Jr + Malcolm X clips.
    It was on GIL NOBLE “LIKE IT IS.”

    Very interesting listening of the slected brief clips.

    MLK Jr. pointed out the Seniority System in the Legislature.
    There were 10 Senate + 26 Congressional Committees = 36
    Of 36 Committiees 23 were chaired by Southerners.

    There were other points.

    Go back to NIXON + the Southern strategy to gain power.
    In Nixon’s crew were Schultz, Rockefellers (Standard Oil)
    GHW Bush, (Father partner to Harriman sons = Standard Oil)
    Weinberg, Cheney, Rumsfeldt = OIL + WAR
    The big FISH, who did not get caught / jailed

    George Mitchell, Haldermann, Ehrlichman, Dean, Lyddy, Colson,
    Agnew, and others went to Jail.

    Nixon book “1999 victory without War” = He was not expecting 9/11
    McNamara book “In retrospection” =

    They both pointed out in horror, how many died in WARS last century.

  390. 394 portia1776

    Jez,

    “And yet, both parties continue to ignore the reality.” – That’s just not fair, Jez. According to President Obama, this administration and the Democratic Congress’ stimuli measures have been a great and glorious success to be celebrated during this “Summer of Recovery.” Just look at this chart for confirmation: http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Stimulus_Worked.gif

    In any case, perhaps you didn’t get the memo from “Car Czar” Alan Bloom (to quote the TARP Inspector General’s report): “… when asked explicitly whether the Auto Team could have left the dealerships out of the restructurings, Mr. Bloom, the current head of the Auto Team, confirmed that the Auto Team ‘could have left any one component (of the restructuring plan) alone,’ but that doing so would have been inconsistent with the President’s mandate for ‘shared sacrifice (http://www.sigtarp.gov/about_ig.shtml ).'”

    “Progressive” ideology, then, caused President Obama’s Auto Team to cost perhaps 100,000 people — small business owners, secretaries, auto mechanics — their jobs. In this light, Jez, don’t think of the current staggering numbers of the unemployed and underemployed. Think of all those who have jobs but, according to this “Progressive” administration, should loose them so we can spread the pain around. At this rate, that won’t be a problem.

    The revival meeting is not germane to this discussion, unless you want to talk about all the temporary jobs it created. Seriously, if you watch the video, you’ll see it’s a “person on the street” quiz that just used the revival participants as a backdrop.

    “What continues to perplex me is the constant partisanship” – Have you read what the Founders called each other? What we need is principled partisanship, something neither party has. Take Chris, for example. My problem is not that he is a Democrat. It is that he is an unthinking, unprincipled Democrat, who changes his position based on political expediency, e.g., the “Patriot Act” was evil under President Bush and Republicans but is now good under President Obama and Democrats (the poor chaps, Chris says, who were tricked into supporting re-authorization by the likes of John Boehner and other brilliant tacticians and Republican philosopher kings).

    Most of the fraud and folly of the last ten years has been advanced under the banner of bipartisanship of the Lieberman-Finegold-Graham-McCain, Kennedy-Bush, and Bush-Obama varsities. We have been ill-served by a consensus that benefits both parties but negates the Constitution and our best interests.

  391. 395 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “the “Patriot Act” was evil under President Bush and Republicans but is now good under President Obama”

    To be fair, I do not believe Christopher supports any part of the Republican or Democratic Patriot Act (Whatta name!).

    “when asked explicitly whether the Auto Team could have left the dealerships out of the restructurings,”

    What are you criticizing here? More or less government involvement?

    “bipartisanship of the Lieberman”

    Lieberman? Seriously? What side is he on besides his own?

  392. 396 cstratct

    Thanks for picking up on what I thought was obvious Jezebel. If someone went through every post I made here I don’t think you would ever find me supporting the Patriot Act, regardless of who was voting for it.

  393. 397 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Thanks for picking up on what I thought was obvious Jezebel.”

    No problem. I am quite good at stating the obvious.

  394. 398 portia1776

    Jez,

    “To be fair, I do not believe Christopher supports any part of the Republican or Democratic Patriot Act (Whatta name!).” – Perhaps you missed where Chris said this of your humble servant: “You have yet to cite an example of the individual constitutional rights you are losing under the present administration (or courts for that matter)” to which I responded “On individual civil liberties I have pointed out several times that President Obama and the Democratic-majority Congress approved the Patriot Act without amendment, to which you have offered no response.” Chris had previously gloated about how President Bush and Republicans were eroding individual civil liberties, specifically citing the “Patriot Act.”

    I am glad Chris has clarified his position against that travesty, but he clearly did so only after a ridiculous amount of prompting on my part — and still blames Republicans for this administration and the Democratic majority’s attacks on the Constitution, which as documented above go well beyond the “Patriot Act” (As Kevin Drum at Mother Jones has written of President Obama: “You know, if I’d wanted Dick Cheney as president I would have just voted for him.”)

    “What are you criticizing here? More or less government involvement?” – Too much government. If there hadn’t of been an “Auto Team” installed to run GM by fiat, those dealerships and their workers would not have been targeted for ideological reasons.

    Even if you supported the bailouts and other stimuli measures, the Inspector General’s devastating reports on the government’s failed administration of them — rampant abuses of power, corruption, and negative economic impact — should give pause.

  395. 399 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Not to change the subject (Ok, fine. I’m changing the subject.), but this little pearl appeared today in the Capitalist Bible. I mean the Wall Street Journal.

    The Folly of Subsidizing Unemployment
    My calculations suggest the jobless rate could be as low as 6.8%, instead of 9.5%, if jobless benefits hadn’t been extended to 99 weeks.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959704575454431457720188.html

    My question is how does this guy have a paying job and 16 million others don’t?

  396. 400 portia1776

    Jez,

    Well, you would have to ask Harvard. I think his analysis is one dimensional and too predicated on a number of historical assumptions that may not be appropriate given our present circumstances. In other words, he is looking at the moral hazard of unemployment benefits and arguing that “almost surely” the expansion of such benefits are the cause of higher than expected persistent unemployment.

    As the exceptionally hesitant language (one can be “almost surely” certain of just about anything) suggests, the good professor has not established this contention to even the lowest of evidentiary thresholds. The article is mostly a wash, beginning with the uncritical endorsement of President Bush’s tax cuts as “well-conceived and effective” (not surprising since Professor Barro is politically a conservative).

    Nevertheless, there is a grain of truth in the article. As I previously noted, too generous benefits carry with them a moral hazard. This has been shown in practice most recently in Denmark. According to the New York Times (by no means a free-market capitalist paper):

    “With an expensive, generous welfare state, and the world’s most lavish unemployment insurance scheme, virtually no one falls through the cracks upon losing a job.

    But the government unveiled an unpleasant surprise in June, when it halved the country’s whopping four-year unemployment benefits period to help mend its finances after the financial crisis.

    The reason: Danish studies show that the longer a person goes without a job, the harder it is to find work. Many people get a job within the first three months of entering the system, but many more wait until just before benefits expire to take anything available (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/why-denmark-is-shrinking-its-social-safety-net/).”

    The article and accompanying graph go on to show that people were most apt to get jobs within the first three months of unemployment and then just before benefits were due to expire. The latter group strongly indicates that some weighed the options between getting a job and collecting benefits, and found continued government subsidized unemployment to be more in their economic self-interested than working. Our current ad hoc, politically motivated process of extending benefits every few months defies such rationale decision making.

    I am still inclined to consider the deteriorating state of the economy as more a factor in unemployment rates than the extension of benefits. The Danes are only reducing the benefits now that their financial crisis is in the past-tense. Ours is very much of the present and, according tot he President’s own projections, will continue indefinitely into the future.

  397. 401 portia1776

    The above sentence should read: “…every few months defies such [rational] decision making.”

    My past endorsement of extending unemployment benefits (if they must exist) provided benefits can be distributed fairly, without capriciousness, and are not exploited by “Progressives” as a means to breed dependence, is here: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13331

  398. 402 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Danish studies show that the longer a person goes without a job, the harder it is to find work.”

    Having lived in Denmark for 2 years, I am particularly familiar with their benefits. For one thing, almost no one is homeless nor threatened to become so, unemployment is not the same as we understand it, much of it funded by the company laying you off. Secondly they have that nasty government run health insurance so that unemployment benefits are not funding health insurance. The standard of living in Denmark is very very high. Much higher than for the average American (lately). Fourthly, Denmark is a very homogeneous country with a population of only 5 million (they were the only ones that could pass the language test). “Cutting back” on their benefits would mean we would have to expand ours to be equal.

    “The article and accompanying graph go on to show that people were most apt to get jobs within the first three months of unemployment and then just before benefits were due to expire.”

    Forgive me, but that is …umm…errr…bullsh*t. No mention AT ALL is made that there are 5 applicants for every opening (meaning 4 people remain unemployed) nor that trillions of dollars have been extracted from our economy. Also no mention of record profits from most public companies, yet they are still sitting on the cash.

    According to this…writer…only the unemployed are to blame for being unemployed. Can’t wait until he is laid off.

  399. 403 cstratct

    Portia,

    Still twisting my words and intent I see. See if you can follow this:

    The Republicans (with a majority in Congress and a Republican White House) passed the Patriot Act. Granted they had a lot of help from scared Democrats who at the time were fighting for political survival. Not necessarily a good reason, but it was the situation at the time.

    Now, a Democratic Congress reauthorized the Patriot Act, but it was Republicans who were responsible for the initial legislation, like it or not. Is this or is this not true?

    And don’t hurt yourself as you try to pat yourself on the back for your “ridiculous amount of prompting.” It was your consistent misrepresentation of my position that led to my statement, nothing more.

    I don’t agree with your stance that “the Democratic majority’s attacks on the Constitution, which as documented above go well beyond the “Patriot Act.” Personally I think your “evidence” is questionable. You cite opinion pieces as fact in certain cases.

    In the end, both parties are responsible for getting us where we are today, I just think the Democratic Party has a better chance of moving things in the right direction. That’s where I’m coming from. I’m not a “Progressive” as you like to keep stating. Not all Democrats are “Progressives.” That is a wing of the Democratic Party, just as the religious right is a part of the Republican Party.

  400. 404 portia1776

    “No mention AT ALL is made…” – I was referring to the NY Time’s Denmark story and the graph that accompanied it, not Professor Barro’s article. Sorry for the confusion!

    “5 applicants for every opening” – I just heard of a case of several hundred to one.

    “unemployed are to blame for being unemployed” – I don’t fault people for acting in their economic self-interest. Anyone who does, left or right, is reprehensible… and foolish.

    “very homogeneous” — Those are the key words that explain everything else you said about the Danes. The cost of diversity is that there is no consensus on a vast number of personal preferences that one size fits all government solutions can never tolerate.

    Just like Sweden, it would be wrong to look only at the current economic status (wealthy) and political arrangements (welfare/nanny state) of Denmark without considering how the Danes were able to develop such a high standard of living (hint: free-trade and capitalism).

  401. 405 1george1

    I believe Denmark was involved in WW II and a beneficiary of the
    MARSHALL PLAN, which helpped set up Constitutions, political
    and physical infrastructure and solved problems consistent with
    the antithesis of a neutron bomb.

    Nuetron bomb wipes out people.
    Buildings and infrastructure made whole.

    The irony of the Command economies involved with the Marshall
    Plan was our domestic inequities were only partially addressed
    and Western Europe saw a rise of an economy somethin like what
    USA Administrators enjoy (220 work days – great benefits – pay is
    very good in W Europe / but great for BoE Administrators!)

    hmmmm …
    domestic definitions:
    RECESSION > Your neighbor is outta work
    DEPRESSION > You are outta work

    —-

    Portia – I believe you already posted “BOTH” the nominal republicans
    and nominal democrats are at fault …..
    Then you n Chris still get in a pissin match?

    Portia – How about some common sense to go along wit al da
    classical references?

    —-

    CHRIS:
    – Portia, Jeze, and I agree Bush-Cheney sucks

    Trying to blame any one or small group of ideological reasons for this
    or that, presupposes STATIC, UNIFORM, STANDARDS and PRACTICES,
    WAYS and MEANS, and PERSONNEL.

    Conversely cause and effect are simplified dialectics.

    —-

    I believe there are INTENTIONAL FAILURES for POLITICAL REASONS,
    which benefit practicioners and objectives.

    —–

    Jeze, Portia, Chris – I believe your hearts are in the right place.

    By arguing minutia, we are like societies described in gulliver’s travels.
    But not necessarily a bad thing as life and decisions are a process.

    FIDDLER on the ROOF:
    LIFE IS WHAT YOU DO ….WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO DIE ….

  402. 406 1george1

    Everything is my fault.

    Let’s move on and figure ways to solve Stratford problems
    and USA problems?

    Pointing out specific past problems are OK – as long as there
    is a way to use that problem towards a solution ….

    Example:
    Problem: AVCO closed since 1992
    Solution: Open the Admin Building – then get the rest remediated

    Problem: Shakespeare closed and a mess since 1981
    Soulution: Get an organization to create a movie involving Restoration
    of the Theater, where the total cost of retoration is paid by the movie
    release, cable syndication, and licensed products.

    Problem: Raymark dump sites and ground water
    Solution: find way to turn dumpsites and ground water into revenue
    and assets, (like fuel for electricity) rather than liabilities.

    Problem: Pension extravagance
    Solution: Life insurnace policies paid to the town covering overpayment.

    Problem: National unemployment / under employment
    Solution: Use SEED MONEY from the FED / IMF / WORLD BANK to use
    unemployment as a base, with money for new technology education,
    with tax credits and forgiveable loans based on increase income tax
    paid as a result of retraining and new higher revenue levels.
    > A form of depression WPA or post WW II GI BILL, whereas skills are learned
    like in the Military, and then developed in a free market enterprize.
    > Corporate devolution and spin offs like AESOPS, whereas sweat equity
    transitions into property partnerships and co-ops.

    Too Socialist?
    Come up with a better idea.

    Problem: Social Security is too low for many people’s basic needs and
    reverse mortgages are a rip off.
    Solution: Increase Social Security and/or reduce costs of necessities
    with a variety of mechanisms. (ntentionally vague … help me here …)

    good night

  403. 407 portia1776

    Chris,

    For someone who claimed he was “not going to respond to every challenge you throw down just so you can come back and berate me again and again,” you’re responding an awful lot – even posts not addressed to you.

    “Still twisting my words and intent I see.” – I have no need to twist your words and you’re intent does a fine job of twisting itself.

    To be fair, this is the most coherent post thus far.

    “Now, a Democratic Congress reauthorized the Patriot Act, but it was Republicans who were responsible for the initial legislation, like it or not. Is this or is this not true?” – Since you’re offering to use truth as a standard, here it is: by virtue of Republicans having the presidency and a majority in Congress, they share a great deal of blame for the original sin. A cursory review of the legislative history confirms what I wrote earlier, however, of a shared, bipartisan responsibility, in that the “Patriot Act” was not only supported almost unanimously by Democrats, but, moreover, top Democrats (Senators Leahy, Feinstein, Shummer, and Daschle) played a pivotal role in the drafting process of the bills that coalesced into the “Patriot Act.”

    “Not necessarily a good reason, but it was the situation at the time.” – Right, I discussed (and rejected) the Democrat’s lack of political will back here:

    “At least in that case [the “Patriot Act”], those rationales [expediency and necessity] were initially arguable, given the rush to pass something, anything, so quickly after 9/11 (of course, such meager justifications can no longer be sallied forth to exonerate President Obama and the Democratic-majority Congress of their re-authorization of the “Patriot Act” without amendment – they have had ample time and failed to restore our lost individual civil liberties) (https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/the-dark-side/#comment-13389 ).”

    “led to my statement, nothing more.” – liberty needs friends, even of the fair-weather variety.

    “I don’t agree with your stance that ‘the Democratic majority’s attacks on the Constitution, which as documented above go well beyond the ‘Patriot Act.’” Personally I think your ‘evidence’ is questionable. You cite opinion pieces as fact in certain cases.” – To be clear: you may have a differing opinion, but the facts substantiate every example I cited. This “Progressive” Democratic administration is indeed eroding our individual liberties by “eliminate our presumption of privacy of location, in emails, and for internet activity, grant the president the ability to detain indefinitely or even summarily execute American citizens without due process, and allow government to censor political speech in a variety of forms.”

    There are court cases pending for a number of those issues in which the government’s lawyers are arguing positions contrary to the Constitution. Here are two substantiating examples from the list above:

    “Civil liberties groups sued the Obama administration on Monday [August 30] over a program they said illegally tries to kill U.S. citizens believed to be militants living abroad… (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN30196413)”

    “…the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no ‘reasonable expectation of privacy’ in their–or at least their cell phones’–whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that ‘a customer’s Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records’ that show where a mobile device placed and received calls (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html#ixzz0y9mUzBqA).”

    I cite primary sources, news reports, or pieces of analysis; in all cases what I link to or quote from is factual, to the best of my knowledge.

    “…both parties are responsible for getting us where we are today.” – Voters and taxpayers are responsible for the poor representation we have had from both parties. What is beginning to happen is people are awakening to the reality that party affiliation is not as important as electing principled individuals (or at least those who can be made to stand on a principle, political self-interest) to restore our Constitution and free-market capitalist economy.

    “…I just think the Democratic Party has a better chance of moving things in the right direction.” – You’re entitled to your opinion. The substantial evidence I have cited would suggest the country is headed in a different direction under Democratic leadership. What we need is divided government because no party is responsible enough to not abuse having the power that controlling the presidency and legislature confers. Republicans proved that under Bush, and Democrats have more than done so under President Obama. In answer to the Republican slogan of 1946, I’ve certainly “Had enough!” – enough lying, enough violations of individual civil and economic liberties, enough expansions of executive and national government power, enough corruption, enough bloodletting in the economy (stimuli, bailouts, nationalizations and other government interventions), enough incompetents and socialists and “Progressives” in critical government posts, and enough crippling regulations, taxes, and debt.

    “I’m not a ‘Progressive’ as you like to keep stating.” – I never wrote that you were, even though some policies you claimed to support are of a kind with that vile misnomer’s political programme.

  404. 408 jezebel282

    Portia,

    I was referring to Professor Barro’s article.

    “The cost of diversity is that there is no consensus on a vast number of personal preferences that one size fits all government solutions can never tolerate.”

    LOL! That’s why I’m a Democrat! It’s not like it’s an organized party, you know. I don’t like white bread either.

    “Denmark without considering how the Danes were able to develop such a high standard of living (hint: free-trade and capitalism).”

    LOL! Along with a healthy well educated population and lots and lots of unions. As for Free trade, you are absolutely incorrect. Denmark is very very protective of it’s trade. Tariffs are astronomical. Want an American car? You will pay 490,000 DKR (84,000 USD) for a Chevy Equinox. Tax avoidance education in Denmark begins in kindergarten.
    In fact, they are so protective they never accepted the Euro as their currency nor freedom of travel within the EU. You still have to go through customs/immigration at Puttgarten/Rodby.

    European joke:
    Q. What do you call someone who speaks three languages?
    A. Trilingual
    Q. What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
    A. Bilingual.
    Q. What do you call someone who only speaks one language?
    A. American.

  405. 409 cstratct

    Portia,

    Perhaps your memory is as short as mine with respect to previous posts:

    Portia-The Dark Side Post#218

    3.) Why don’t you offer an actual defense of the overall “Progressive” economic programme of Presidents Bush and Obama, specifically by refuting their one line reduction (courtesy of CATO economist Daniel Mitchell): “taking money out of the economy’s left pocket and putting it in the economy’s right pocket doesn’t magically increase prosperity”?

    Perhaps because I’m not a “Progressive.”

    Portia-The Dark Side Post#235

    “After trying and failing to characterize me as a “conservative” or too “theoretical” or a supporter of the “Patriot Act” (now that I have pointed out that your beloved “Progressive” Democrats have extended this monstrosity unchanged, we hear not a pep from you on individual civil liberties… what a shame)”

    Again, “your beloved “Progressive” Democrats – How do you know which Democrats (on a national level) I support? Have we discussed this?

    Portia-The Dark Side Post#243

    “The very reasons you cited were the reasons I refuted with logic and an actual real-world example, not just your “Progressive” Democratic talking points.”

    Hmm, I could say the same about many of your “Tea Party” talking points.

    You’re so big on wanting me to amend my statements, care to amend this:

    “I never wrote that you were, even though some policies you claimed to support are of a kind with that vile misnomer’s political programme.”

    I labeled you a “Tea Partier,” you say you’re not, I stand corrected and apologize. I labeled you in much the same way you labeled me. You consistently use the term “Progressive” as a pejorative (just like Glenn Beck), as if branding someone or some group with the expectation that saying it enough times will generate disdain and contempt for the individual or group.

  406. 410 1george1

    My belief is that what Portia writes about bad Democrats and what
    Chris and Jeze writes about bad Republicans are usually accurate.

    I believe they each have their own interests, which coincide with
    mucking up American.

    I believe the Tea Party was taken over by the usual suspects.

    Within each party, among the mostly powerless, the real Americans
    reside and what Nixon called “the slient americans.”

    Every President since Nixon has had a majority of the people in the
    Trialteral Commission or Council on Foreign Affairs as members of
    alternating executive Administrations.
    – In and of themselves – there are good deeds done among the
    Trialteral Commission or Council on Foreign Affairs, which works
    with the Military, Bureaucracy, Intellegence, Senate, & Congress.

    However, there is a consistent and counterintuitive nature among
    USA policy relating to WARS creation and WARS on, since the USA’s
    inception, and mirroring perversities of the Federalist papers:
    # 4, # 10, # 22 – 26, # 79.

    I do not watch Glenn Beck, nor any of the Talking heads.
    They muddle the priorities, not unlike the CT POST-Miron-Henrick-
    Feehan, and friends.

  407. 411 1george1

    Buy the book the Federalist Papers.
    Note the lines/paragraphs already underlined, among others.

  408. 412 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I was referring to Professor Barro’s article.” – I realize that, but wanted to make sure, especially for anyone else reading, that it was clear which was which.

    “LOL! That’s why I’m a Democrat!” – So you’re saying Obamacare is not a one size fits all, industrial-era retread that will inevitably limit individual choices? Dr. Donald Berwick, President Obama’s recess appointment to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), disagrees. At least he is honest about his intentions. For examples, according to Dr. Berwick: doctors should be automatons who never deviate from protocol, regardless of their patient’s best interests, and all-knowing central planners will need to “control supply” (read: rationing) to medical services and products by holding to an arbitrary, politically determined percentage of GDP cap on medical expenditures (read: the treatment you or a loved one needs but is deemed “too costly”).

    “As for Free trade, you are absolutely incorrect.” – So you’re denying that Amsterdam once was a hub of free trade, including, most famously, for tulips? I was referring to how the Danes (and Swedes) became so healthy, well educated, unionized, and wealthy enough to afford a welfare/nanny state. You’re putting the cart before the horse, looking at their social democratic system as it exists now, as if this was the system that spawned Denmark’s prosperity. But this system was built over time, after the Dane’s achieved a level of success in the free market.

    “Denmark is very very protective of it’s trade.” – And it will suffer in the long term as a result, as Sweden did when it turned inward in the 70’s and 80’s, and became more socialistic. Now the Swedes have started to reverse course, as noted previously.

    “European joke:” – Sad but true.

  409. 413 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “So you’re denying that Amsterdam once was a hub of free trade, including, most famously, for tulips?”
    Not at all. You are absolutely right. They are also quite famous as a trading hub of diamonds. But, my friend, Amsterdam is in the Netherlands not in Denmark.

    “the Dane’s achieved a level of success in the free market. ”
    umm..their idea of “free trade” is raping and pillaging England. (Vikings).

    “So you’re saying Obamacare is not a one size fits all, industrial-era retread that will inevitably limit individual choices?”
    Really? You want to “do” healthcare again?

  410. 414 sudds

    Can I just state for the record that I think that this entire conversation reflects exactly what is wrong with American politics these days!!!

    All we ever have is a battle of extremists fighting for their “side”… and the other 99% of the population in between just continues to get @#$%ed!!!

    To quote Rodney King (come on… when else can you quote a scumbag who wrongly got his @ss kicked by the police???)… “WHY CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG”???

  411. 415 1george1

    British East Indies Company actually took over India subcontinent
    as a private entity, and not a country….. changed the way of WAR.

    Dutch East Indies Company, British East Indies Company, and YANKEE
    Clipper ships (including the DELANOs + SKULL n BONES) made huge
    fortunes turning CHINA into a HEROIN Market.

    The British ownership / lease of HONG CONG was partially endorsed
    because of what the powers that are, did the SAME THING to USA
    with POT / COCAINE.

    No individual groups gets the MORAL HIGH GROUND in HISTORY.
    NOT in USA
    NOT in EUROPE / UK or LEVANT
    NOT MIDEAST, nor BLACK AFRICA
    JAPAN / CHINA others huges messes.

    —-

    I agree with SUDDS # 414. (don’t faint!) 😉

    He appears to agree with some of my recent posts.

    Now who wudda thunk Sudds and I would be the writen voices for moderation?
    8)

  412. 416 sudds

    “He appears to agree with some of my recent posts.”

    Maybe?!?!! If they were short/clear/focused enough… I might have read them!

  413. 417 1george1

    Or maybe, great minds think alike?

    Uhhh. utt ohhh? Hmmmmm!

  414. 418 jezebel282

    In Q2, FDIC reports that banks earned a net profit of $26 BILLION. Where are the investments?

    Also JP Morgan Chase is disbanding their proprietary commodities trading operations rather than try to play by the Volker rule. No fun when you have to gamble with your own money?

  415. 419 portia1776

    Chris,

    First, I never denied you could cut and paste.

    Second, while touching that you spent so much time looking for the word “Progressive,” it is sad that you failed to learn what that word means, historically, in political theory, and economics, particularly in contrast to classical liberalism.

    “You’re so big on wanting me to amend my statements, care to amend this: ‘I never wrote that you were, even though some policies you claimed to support are of a kind with that vile misnomer’s political programme.’” – Sorry, where in all your research did you find where I wrote you’re a “Progressive” and/or labeled you as one – as you did to me, writing that I was “conservative,” et al. – as an excuse to avoid rationally engaging your positions?

    I use quotation marks for ironic effect, but the term “Progressive” is a self-descriptive. When Hillary Clinton called herself a “Progressive” it was not meant pejoratively. I don’t think anyone in this administration would deny that their policies should be so named, as well. In fact, Speaker Pelosi and many of her colleagues in the Democratic leadership even belong to the rather obviously named Progressive Caucus, the largest congressional organization.

    “Perhaps because I’m not a ‘Progressive.’” – My position on this is readily apparent: “I would say you do a disservice to your philosophy, but you don’t appear to have enough understanding of the issues to choose one.” Just because you mindlessly mouth some “Progressive” talking points that you can’t defend doesn’t make you one. To be fair to “Progressives,” I don’t think they would want you in their ranks, anyway.

    “How do you know which Democrats (on a national level) I support? Have we discussed this?” – To take just the most recent example, you wrote last night that: “I just think the Democratic Party has a better chance of moving things in the right direction.” In other words, you support the “Progressive” policies of this administration and Congress. Why are you now going to support (as I do) Rep. Henry Cuellar (Democrat-Texas), chairman and founder of the Congressional Pro-Trade caucus, who support free trade and believe “that the advancement of new trade policies will expand opportunities for American businesses, workers and farmers”?

    “your beloved “Progressive” Democrats” – Right, you support the “Progressive” policies of President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Majority leader Reid, from bailouts to the erosion of individual civic liberties (why so silent now, Chris? Is it just my opinion that even the sympathetic ACLU is suing this administration for its flagrant violations of the Constitution or is that a fact?) and economic liberty.

    “your ‘Progressive” Democratic talking points.’” – Clearly I was describing the origins of the talking points, not you, their regurgitator. Don’t flatter yourself.

    “Hmm, I could say the same about many of your ‘Tea Party’talking points.” – Well, you could, if you could show where I “took” the positions that I have independently arrived at through years of research and thought from. See the difference, Chris? You were trying to label me as something, anything, just to avoid having to deal with what I had written. Meanwhile, I was describing the quality of what you had written and its ideological origins, not you personally.

    What I have said of you personally, and you have refused to disclaim, is that you are a chronic Mironite who continues to embody Jimmy’s style of arrogance, ignorance, demagoguery, and pathology. Additionally, though these exchanges, I have somewhat unexpectedly discovered you to be a factual relativist.

    To quote from the Dark Side:

    “Now I understand why we’ve made no progress. You don’t believe there are facts, just equally valid opinions. I think this explains the basic reading error above, too. Your inability to comprehend almost everything I have written brings to mind the thoroughly disproven ‘Whole Language’ approach to reading: words don’t have meaning and authors don’t have intent; what is written is up to the subjective reader to ‘construct.’”

    “if branding someone or some group with the expectation that saying it enough times will generate disdain and contempt for the individual or group.” – When people call themselves something (i.e., “Progressive”) and I refer to them as what they call themselves (i.e., “Progressive”), that is not some diabolical scheme advanced by Fox News to discredit them.

    By comparison, when I call myself a classical liberal, identify the ideals and philosophy that those words confer, and espouse positions within that tradition, and you continue to write that I’m a “conservative” or something else, without offering any reasoned explanation of why whatever position I have fits that moniker, that is a perfect example of using a word to “generate disdain and contempt.”

    Chris, I’m growing tired of your sophistry. This last post is yet another demonstration of bad faith on your part. The only reason I answered your questions last night is because I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt of actually being interested in those question’s answer. Unfortunately, you remain unwilling to distinguish reality from your fantasy world, and seem to have a masochistic urge to keep generating these ridiculous hit posts only to receive an inevitable “smack down” courtesy of moi.

    Continue if you must, but be forewarned that: “each of your posts is a case study in reputational suicide. They also demonstrate what (to borrow “Doc” Gunther’s brilliant phrase): ‘a pontificating, sanctimonious hypocrite with a convenient memory’ you, like your hero Jimmy Miron, are.”

  416. 420 portia1776

    “Not at all. You are absolutely right. They are also quite famous as a trading hub of diamonds. But, my friend, Amsterdam is in the Netherlands not in Denmark.” – Mea culpa! I am sorry for the mistake.

    This erratum did, however, serve as a learning experience. After reading you post, I reviewed the Danish economy more closely. While you remain right on the welfare/nanny state aspects and partially on barriers to trade, Denmark’s economy is much more dependent on free trade than I had realized. I shouldn’t have so quickly applied the Swedish example – Denmark does not seem to have paired the development of its social safety net with a rapid anti-free trade agenda. In other words, Denmark is a good example of the benefits of free trade not just in the past but in the present and for the future.

    According to the 2010 WSJ/Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom, Denmark is the 9th economically free country in the world, one place behind the United States. To quote from the report’s overview and trade sections:

    “Denmark’s modern and competitive economy performs well on many of the 10 economic freedoms, enhancing entrepreneurship and macroeconomic stability. The country has a strong tradition of openness to global trade and investment, and transparent and efficient regulations are applied evenly in most cases. Denmark also boasts an efficient, independent judiciary that protects property rights, and the level of corruption is extraordinarily low. The financial sector is competitive, and its efficiency is supported by prudent lending practices and sound oversight. The impact of the global financial crisis on the banking sector has been relatively small.”

    “Denmark’s trade policy is the same as that of other members of the European Union. The common EU weighted average tariff rate was 1.3 percent in 2008. However, the EU has high or escalating tariffs for agricultural and manufacturing products, and its MFN tariff code is complex. Non-tariff barriers reflected in EU and Danish policy include agricultural and manufacturing subsidies, quotas, import restrictions and bans for some goods and services, market access restrictions in some services sectors, non-transparent and restrictive regulations and standards, and inconsistent regulatory and customs administration among EU members. The lack of transparency in pharmaceuticals regulation exceeds EU policy…(http://www.heritage.org/index/Country/Denmark ).”

    “umm..their idea of “free trade” is raping and pillaging England.” – LOL. I appreciate the quotes around free trade, as the Vikings were clearly proponents of an especially primitive mercantilism.

    “Really? You want to “do” healthcare again?” – Just saying…

  417. 421 portia1776

    Sudds,

    Are you really the best person to take on the mantel of reasonableness and neutrality? j/k

    Seriously, Sudds, you should be thanking me for giving Chris the vivisection he has so richly deserved.

    What we need is principled partisans. Be a socialist but please, for the proletariat’s sake, read your Marx! Be a free-market capitalist but please, for Hayek, Friedman, or Rand’s sake, know your economics! Be a “Progressive” but please, for Soros’ sake, know what actually happened in the “Progressive” Era! Be a conservative but please, for Buckley’s sake, conserve your own tradition.

    We need to go back to the beginning of the Republic, where what was said in the course of debate mattered; where opinions could be changed based on the quality of argument. To be clear: I’m not advocating the revival of dueling (not sure how you feel about that one, Sudds). What I am saying is that Americans are disaffect because both parties like it that way and, given the options of big government (Republicans) or bigger government (Democrats), why should anyone think their opinion matters?

    As for “extremism” – I agree it is too harsh a word and connotes a rejection of alternative views. And yet, there is on thing that everyone should be extreme about. To quote philosopher Harry Jaffa’s poignant line (though too staid when mouthed by candidate Goldwater): “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

    Before sharing some less memorable but remarkably relevant lines from the speech, I would like to say that the police violence referenced was no more justified than the violence that took place after the beating was publicized and exploited by racial demagogues.

    Now back to Jaffa via Goldwater’s delivery:

    “Now, my fellow Americans, the tide has been running against freedom. Our people have followed false prophets. We must, and we shall, return to proven ways — not because they are old, but because they are true. We must, and we shall, set the tides running again in the cause of freedom.”

    “This Nation and its people are freedom’s model in a searching world.”

    “…because of this administration we are tonight a world divided; we are a Nation becalmed. We have lost the brisk pace of diversity and the genius of individual creativity. We are plodding along at a pace set by centralized planning, red tape, rules without responsibility, and regimentation without recourse.

    Rather than useful jobs in our country, our people have been offered bureaucratic “make work”; rather than moral leadership, they have been given bread and circuses. They have been given spectacles, and, yes, they’ve even been given scandals.”

    “Those who seek to live your lives for you, to take your liberties in return for relieving you of yours, those who elevate the state and downgrade the citizen must see ultimately a world in which earthly power can be substituted for Divine Will, and this Nation was founded upon the rejection of that notion and upon the acceptance of God as the author of freedom.”

    “Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. They — and let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions, ladies and gentlemen, of equality. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.”

    “…the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don’t rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression — and this is hogwash.”

    “Yesterday, it was Korea. Tonight, it is Vietnam. Make no bones of this. Don’t try to sweep this under the rug. We are at war in Vietnam. And yet the President, who is the Commander-in-Chief of our forces, refuses to say — refuses to say, mind you, whether or not the objective over there is victory. ”

    “We must assure a society here which, while never abandoning the needy or forsaking the helpless, nurtures incentives and opportunities for the creative and the productive. We must know the whole good is the product of many single contributions.

    And I cherish a day when our children once again will restore as heroes the sort of men and women who, unafraid and undaunted, pursue the truth, strive to cure disease, subdue and make fruitful our natural environment and produce the inventive engines of production, science, and technology.”

    “…the beauty of this Federal system of ours is in its reconciliation of diversity with unity. We must not see malice in honest differences of opinion, and no matter how great, so long as they are not inconsistent with the pledges we have given to each other in and through our Constitution.”

    “Our Republican cause is not to level out the world or make its people conform in computer regimented sameness. Our Republican cause is to free our people and light the way for liberty throughout the world (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barrygoldwater1964rnc.htm ).”

    Whatever one says about that abortive campaign, this was a great speech, well worth reading anew in 2010. Is it hoping for too much to have a living Republican affirm the enduring classical liberal principles of our Republic and this party of Lincoln, Douglas, Friedman, and King? I hesitate to even pose the question, given the devastating “leadership” of the Bushes, Boehners, and McConnells.

  418. 422 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Mea culpa! I am sorry for the mistake.”

    S’ok. What can you expect from a Connecticut Yankee?

    “I reviewed the Danish economy more closely.”
    Whew! That was quick. It took me a couple of years.

    Word of advice: stay away from the Gammeldansk and Aquaviet, it’ll kill ya. No matter what the ad says.

  419. 423 cstratct

    Portia,

    I have tried on several occasions to lighten the mood a bit, back off the rhetoric, even clarify (in concise a manner as possible) my positions so as not to inundate the blog with long-winded passages.

    I’ll ask again, have you ever spoken to me in person? Did you ever once make any attempt to initiate a conversation at any council meeting or come to an Arts Commission meeting?

    If your goal is to have me stop posting here, by all means, just say it and I’ll happily be on my way. While I enjoy engaging in thoughtful and interesting discussions (both on this blog and in person), I’m not going to bother if you’re going to continue to berate me in some ignorant attempt to get me to cower to your bully tactics. I have stated my position on Jim Miron. If you don’t like it, I don’t care.

    While Sudds and I disagree on many issues, there is at least a tongue-in cheek quality to the back and forth and contrary to what others (and Sudds) may think, I don’t hate him. After all, I don’t think I’ve ever met him and quite honestly, I don’t think it is worth the energy to hate anyone, regardless of any differences I may have with an individual.

    You on the other hand appear to express genuine hatred. You don’t like what I’ve posted here that’s clear. You don’t like the way I’ve gone about it, yet you exhibit the exact qualities and behaviors you accuse me of displaying. It is quite interesting to say the least. This blog isn’t life or death. Unlike you, I don’t come here to gloat about myself or attempt to browbeat people. If you think my demeanor is arrogant or elitist, try looking in the mirror.

  420. 424 portia1776

    “I’ll ask again, have you ever spoken to me in person?” – I don’t believe we’ve ever met but there were probably a number of near-misses.

    “If your goal is to have me stop posting here, by all means, just say it and I’ll happily be on my way.” – No one, least of all me, is trying to censor you. By all means, please post away… just don’t be shocked if ill-informed attacks on the things I have written about don’t go unanswered.

    “I have stated my position on Jim Miron.” – Loudly and clearly – you remain an apologist to the end.

    “You on the other hand appear to express genuine hatred.” – I’m allergic to hatred, illiberalism, illogic, misplaced tolerance, relativism, and Miron-style politics.

  421. 425 jezebel282

    Portia, Cstrat,

    Can we please stop with the “you are this” and “you are that”? Readers are getting bored.

    Also, a little less use of descriptive adjectives like “nanny/state” might work too.

  422. 426 1george1

    Not have time to read the above.

    I agree with Jeze that both Chris and Portia have vested their
    personal philosophies and degenerated into higher level name
    calling, which detracts from substantive arguments.

    This is analogous to the lower vocabulary name calling which
    caused topix to end as created, on the CT POST and the low
    vocabulary insults on this blog, mostly prior to the elections.

    Chris and Portia have made it about “thier views” which annoys
    Jeze.

    I should know, I have done similar …. but not quite the same.

    I did do it with Chris for awhile … made my point … accepted
    his points … turned the page … 😉

    Obama said the right things last night, without specifics.

    I believe everything scripted / on time table.
    Obama / Bush / Clinton = titular heads.

  423. 427 cstratct

    Portia,

    I’ll post this for the last time (as I have already posted it several times in the past): I am NOT an apologist for anyone (other than myself when warranted), that includes Jim Miron. He can take care of himself. I posted my opinions on the issues that were related to a particular subject (and of course some that went astray:)), which obviously differed from others on this site.

    By the way, I never used the word censor. Unlike others who mistake a difference of opinion as an attempt to silence dissenting opinions, I don’t see it as censorship. If my opinions aren’t wanted here, I’ll go elsewhere. It’s that simple. As I said, I don’t come here to berate or demean people (or be berated or demeaned), but I will return fire when I feel inclined to do so.

    Jezebel, just say the word and I’ll leave you all alone. As I said, I’ve tried lowering the rhetoric on several occasions to no avail. I’ve tried to be respectful even when disagreeing with a particular poster. If you would prefer I stop posting here you have my email and can let me know. I won’t take it as censorship or anything of the sort.

  424. 428 jezebel282

    Cstrat,

    “Jezebel, just say the word and I’ll leave you all alone.”

    After all these years, you know way better than that.

    Both you are Portia are engaging in non-productive name calling and accusations. Portia may be a tad more guilty since Portia writes a lot.

    “mindlessly mouth”, “your sophistry”, “you remain unwilling to distinguish reality from your fantasy world” are some of Portia’s gems.

    Nonetheless, you both seem to rip at each other gleefully and personally. Anyone with a passing familiarity with rhetoric knows that when the disparaging of an opponent begins, the real discussion has concluded and it’s time for the entertainment.

    What am I asking? Nothing more than my 102 year old aunt always told us: “Play nice”.

  425. 429 1george1

    Where was your aunt’s quote related to your attacks and attacks
    of other bloggers …. mostly prior to the election?

    While Chris and I got into it a couple times, he and Portia are gentle
    men compare to the vitrolic I have read in this blog.

    And I am posting my opinion is a very “nice” way compared to what
    i could write as I simply am looking to make a point.

  426. 430 jezebel282

    George,

    “your attacks and attacks
    of other bloggers”

    My attacks on other bloggers? You mean except for you and Miron proxies?

  427. 431 jezebel282

    George:

    I did NOT intend to mean that you were a Miron proxy. Just that I have attacked you in the past….like when you called me a Nazi.

  428. 432 portia1776

    Jez,

    I’m personally proud of “chronic Mironite.” As for the other gems, I think it’s perfectly defensible to call things as they are, provided the claim can be substantiated. To continue stating the obvious, however, is not fun. And starring into the abyss of factual relativism any longer is a waste of time (Why did the relativist cross the road? To go to… wait, what road? What’s “going”?) In Gertrude Stein’s phrase: “There is no there there.” The study at an end, I am happy to return to our own battle of the titans.

    As for “nanny state,” I would love to hear a defense of any of the invasions of personal liberty undertaken by Mayor Blumberg, the “micro-megalomaniac,” that Christopher Hitchens lampooned in his aforementioned article. Or the manifold examples of creeping, soft authoritarianism piloried by Reason.tv in their “Nanny of the Month” clips:
    http://www.google.com/search?q=Reason.tv+Nanny+of+the+Month&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=EoB&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=+site%3Areason.com+Nanny+of+the+Month&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=93c3c78db929eee0

    For more examples, considerDenver Post columnist Davud Harsanyi’s book “Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of Children.”

    But “nanny” is perhaps not the right word. According to a book review in Spiked Online, “Brian Monteith argues that the term ‘nanny’ is too cuddly a word for the alliance of ‘puritans, control freaks and prohibitionists’ who are waging war on individual freedom on both sides of the Atlantic (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/reviewofbooks_article/7766/)

  429. 433 portia1776

    George,

    I hesitate to ask, but what do you mean by “already underlined, among others.” There is no underlining innate to the text.

    I do agree, of course, that The Federalist Papers are the greatest exposition of the Founder’s uniquely American political theory — and, if considered in context, demonstrate how reasoned debate used to mean something. Americans were divided on a merits of the Constitution, but were persuaded by speeches, debates, and lobbying, most importantly with the publication of what we know as the Federalist Papers but, at the time, were the equivalents of newspaper op-eds.

  430. 434 jezebel282

    “argues that the term ‘nanny’ is too cuddly a word for the ”

    Sigh….

  431. 435 1george1

    Portia:
    Federalist Papers’ paper back copies, for years, have had a line
    next to a sentence or sentences the editor deemed important.

    Federalist # 4 page 16 paper back – line next to a sentences
    Makes the point:
    What would the militia of Britain be … (5 sentences)

    However the prior paragraph is the KEY about GOVERNMENT
    CHOOSING and UTILIZING:
    Ablest men ..
    Skills talents abilities etc

    Fed # 25 page 122 line next to sentences
    “for it is a truth which the experience of all ages have attested,
    that the people are always most in danger, when the means of
    injuring their rights are in possession of whom they entertain the
    least suspicion.

    Fed # 79 italicized:
    “a power over a man’s subsistenance amounts to a power of his will.”

  432. 436 1george1

    Jeze:
    There is a difference between calling someone a Nazi and
    identifying their insensitivity to be analogous….

    Some people did not care about
    American Indians and Genocide – moved to Reservations
    Africa’s as Plantation Slaves – moved to share crop / ghetto / Segregation
    – Redlining
    Jews and Nazi Horror
    Irish Potato famine
    Surfs, Peasants, Villeins, Indentured
    American immigrants ____ need not apply … Jews, Irish, Italian
    WASP were MALTREATED by NORMANS
    Those lists go on.

    You, Gavin, bloggers, Police, Town Councilors, Senate/congress, FBI-
    Justice, State Police, and other are not just indifferent, but out right
    cruel and contemptuous about my family, friends, coworkers, support,
    and others who were mistreated …..

    Your friends were similarly mistreated.
    I empathized and supported those I believe wronged.
    Where is support of “my people?”

    Mossman, Imbro, and Burturla choose NOT to INVESTIGATE.

    People who believe me are / were afraid to come forward and they
    felt it was analogous to Ann frank asking the SS for help or Dredd
    Scott pleading for empathy, justice, and mercy from the black robed
    judges, decades before the white robed ghouls of KKK rose….

    The quality of mercy shown to ann frank, dredd scott, and those I
    tried to protect are somewhat analogous ….

    There is also an American Holocaust due to DRUGS / ALCOHOL /
    TOBACCO where some groups of americans prey on others americans

  433. 437 portia1776

    Jez,

    Yet another example of our crony capitalist/corporate socialist system: bailed-out banks are recycling our tax dollars into lobbying to secure more of our tax dollars as well as unfair advantages. As I wrote above: “the unintended consequences of more government intervention in the economy is more corporate influence over government through lobbying, regulatory capture, campaign contributions, and outright bribery and other criminality.”

    Hot off the AP wire:

    10 bailed-out banks spent $16.3M lobbying in first half of 2010

    “NEW YORK (AP) — The 10 banks that received the most bailout aid during the financial crisis spent over $16 million on lobbying efforts in the first half of 2010, as the debate over financial regulatory reform reached its height.

    Disclosure reports show that the banks that got the most government help in late 2008 and early 2009 also invested the most to influence members of Congress, the White House, the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department and a long list of federal agencies as new rules were enacted governing Wall Street
    and the nation’s financial system.

    The sweeping [Finreg] law signed by President Barack Obama in July topped 2,300 pages, and outlined broad rules for issues ranging from derivatives trading to the fees merchants are charged for processing credit and debit card transactions. It also covered the creation of a consumer financial protection bureau. Banks are continuing efforts to try to shape many of the new rules that are still being finalized.

    The $16.32 million spent in the first half of 2010 was 26 percent higher than the combined $12.94 million they spent in the first half of 2009.

    In prior years, the spending crept up at a much slower pace: 2009’s total was about 2 percent higher than the nearly $12.7 million spent in the first half of 2008. And that was only 3.7 percent above the $12.25 million spent in the first half of 2007.

    Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said the heavy spending in part reflects the number of people needed to discuss issues with 535 members of Congress. One sentence in a law regulating the financial markets can have a big impact on a company’s profit, she noted, and the industry made sure they had experts on hand to discuss every aspect with lawmakers.

    “We’re talking billions,” Sloan said. “So the lobbying money is the most effective money you’ll spend.”

    “It’s not that I don’t think that many would have preferred a different outcome,” she added. “But I doubt that any of those banks didn’t think it was worth it to have those lobbyists.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/31/10-bailed-out-banks-spent-16-3m-lobbying-in-1h/#ixzz0yJVg9G5X

  434. 438 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “bailed-out banks are recycling our tax dollars into lobbying to secure more of our tax dollars as well as unfair advantages.”

    I absolutely agree with you that the banks are disgusting and the politicians who listen are more so.

    The problem lies in the solution. Do you make government regulation less stringent and turn these obviously unethical people loose on the population or do you somehow solve the problem by booting the bastids out. My prefer method is exposure. “Sunshine is the best disinfectant”.

  435. 439 1george1

    Other viewers note that both Portia and Jeze ignored my post.

    Perhaps their avatars should be of crocodile tears?

    Ref: Feds and the above 2 posts

    Federalist # 25
    “for it is a truth which the experience of all ages have attested,
    that the people are always most in danger, when the means of
    injuring their rights are in possession of whom they entertain
    the least suspicion.”

  436. 440 jezebel282

    George,

    “but out right
    cruel and contemptuous about my family, friends, coworkers,”

    And what is it that you want? Sympathy? Empathy? “Attaboy, George.”? Justice? Punishment for someone?

    To be brutally honest, after YEARS of your repetitive and at times incoherent posts regarding you and your family as well as a variety of conspiracy theories and who you like or dislike many readers simply scroll past your posts. You are your own worst advocate. The reason most don’t respond to you is that they don’t want to initiate a multipage manifesto from you….again.

    Most readers have just a few minutes to scan the posts and then they move on to the rest of their lives. It is the way of the Internet.

    “Other viewers note that both Portia and Jeze ignored my post.”

    You asked.

  437. 441 ronmoreau

    I hold the record for the shortest response by George.
    Thank you very much. At least I think I do.(four letters,one word.)[SMILE]

  438. 442 1george1

    Suppose political people murdered your father, mother, gram,
    uncles, niece, coworkers, and others because they wanted to
    create a perverse reification of the “book of Job?”

    Isn’t that kinda what happened in NAZI Germany?

    Ron, no brown bags lately?

  439. 443 1george1

    UZI

    I UZ

    In the land of UZ …

  440. 444 portia1776

    “Other viewers note that both Portia and Jeze ignored my post.” – I have limited time and cannot possibly respond to your prodigious and often meandering output. Nor is it my intention to wade into matters that are beyond my expertise… and possibly beyond comprehension. I have offered praise where it was due, and because, like Jeze, I think you have a big heart. Additionally, I thought you had some of the best lines in the debates with Miron, and certainly held his feet to the fire.

    “People who believe me are / were afraid to come forward and they
    felt it was analogous to Ann frank asking the SS for help or Dredd
    Scott pleading for empathy…” Since you asked, I find this to be wrong on several levels. First, recourse to the Holocaust or slavery in America should be reserved for truly analogous examples. I don’t believe there could possibly be any moral equivalency between your experience and those events; 2.) The SS wasn’t into helping Jews; and 3.) Dred Scott didn’t plead for empathy, his case was an appeal for equal justice under the law.

    As for the “Federalist Papers’ paper back copies, for years, have had a line next to a sentence or sentences the editor deemed important.” – OK, I understand now. I thought you were referring to the original articles, which did not have any underlining. Also note that not all editions have underlining or underlining in the places your edition does. I own two print, paper back editions, neither of which has any underlining.

  441. 445 1george1

    Portia,
    Thank you for the thoughtful comments and compliment on debates.
    PENSION SOLUTION = LOTTERY

    JIMMY as PINNOCHIO

    Raising and Correcting PENSION lies

    Making Raymark relevant.

    Pushing AVCO delays’ causes

    Green alternatives towards savings

    Pushing Grants / Unfunded Mandates recovery

    Bringing Shakespeare to be revenue positive by licensing and using a movie
    to repay Renovation Loan.

    Most Proud @ Stratford HS
    TOWN HS racial issue – It really is a cultural issue with schiff v o’neill
    being sent to the back of the legislative bus.
    Test scores are difficult to compare homogenus Weston / Easton /
    Westport / Fairfield to multilingual / multicultural Bridgeport/Stratford

    —-

    Portia, you may want to pick up a paperback federalist papers.
    Besides the lines next to some key sentences, it can come in handy
    for lawyers / business people / academia as a refresher.

  442. 446 ronmoreau

    George,

    “‘Ron, no brown bags lately?”

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

  443. 447 1george1

    “People who believe me are / were afraid to come forward and they
    felt it was analogous to Ann frank asking the SS for help or Dredd
    Scott pleading for empathy…”

    Since you asked, I find this to be wrong on several levels.

    First, recourse to the Holocaust or slavery in America should be
    reserved for truly analogous examples. I don’t believe there could
    possibly be any moral equivalency between your experience and
    those events;

    REPLY: MURDER is MURDER.
    KILLING my FAMILY, FRIENDS, SUPPORT, COWORKERS’ FAMILY is a
    microcosm of a HOLOCAUST.
    PORTIA – There are identical number letter substitution Codes, in
    my SS #, Addresses, and other things to spell certain messages
    that are found in
    > several high level air line crash flight #s
    > Historic dates, like D-DAY – Years of 1492, 1984, 1987, 2001 and more.
    There are identical uses of names of my family as well as high level
    historic people – NONE of whom knew they were manipulated.

    THE LEGITIMATE REASON YOU CAN NOT EQUATE what happened to my
    LIMITED CIRCLE and the GREATER PATTERNS are either
    1 – I am wrong
    2 – You have insufficient information / evidence
    3 – You might lack the back ground or mindset to convert cryptography
    to applies political science, where all the world is a stage.

    NONE ARE MEANT IN AN INSULTING WAY!

    2.) The SS wasn’t into helping Jews; and

    IT WAS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, to prove an OBVIOUS POINT!

    3.) Dred Scott didn’t plead for empathy,

    IT WAS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, to prove an OBVIOUS POINT!

    his case was an appeal for equal justice under the law.

    I HAVE APPLIED for 26 years multiple times for equal justice under law to:
    FBI
    JUSTICE Twardy, Droney, Dooley, O’Conner, Daugherty
    Multiple state + federal Judges
    Police including chiefs: Mossman, Imbro, Burturla and others
    Town Councilors since 1998
    Town Managers
    State Police
    State Officials
    Federal Officials

    As soon as I start naming names, police fold like a beach chair.

    In the early 1990s I was completely overwhelmed and I spoke to a
    Stratford Police officer in HQ showing him some documentation.

    HIS EYES GOT WIDE as HE READ!

    I still remember my mixed feelings as he looked up and asked …

    What are you trying to do … get us all killed?

    Strange contrasting feelings

    1 – This police officer was too terrified to want to help!!

    2 – Somebody finally understood and believed me.

    Portia – you are not likely to believe me, based on my limited ability
    to communicate highly unlikely situations that are likely beyond your
    belief structures and your lack of my experience.

    You at least were thoughtful in your criticism of my protestations.

    Please google GALBRAITH “Emancipation of belief”

    Definition “state of denial”
    ■A phrase used to described someone who refuses to accept the truth

    Portia: for 3 years after ENDING my 16 year USPS career, I was in a state
    of denial, refusing to believe there are people in US government capable
    of aligning politically appointed people sworn to uphold the Constitution
    as being the very creatures ignoring my and other Constitutional Rights,
    Civil Rights, Criminal Rights.

    As joe Pedoto pointed out …. I am / was an ordinary stiff, just trying to
    get buy … enjoy life … have the American Dream.

    However some people found my NAME had attributes they could use for
    their games and my position happened to be vulnerable …..

    They didn’t realize of care that they too had been set up to play their
    parts. Then it was trying to fight a battle where every way out was NOT
    really available.

    PLANNING and OPERATIONS using “war gamed” EMPIRICS to forced choices!

  444. 448 1george1

    GHW Bush’s family involved in GOLF’S Walker Cup.
    Mulligan is golf term for do over on first shot.

    Reagan, Casey, Regan, Mitchell, were IRISH
    My ancestors are mostly Irish.

    Mulligan Stew is hobo STEW
    USPO is an anagram of SOUP

    Mulligan backwards looks like anglicized hebrew NAGILLA
    as in HAVA NAGILLA
    Initials GEM = JEWel or GEMORA

    GEO + MULligan > MULGEO in latin is “TO MILK”

    MU = Latin for 12
    LIGAN = latin for LAWS
    12 TABLETS were very ANCIENT ROMAN LAWS

    Mullingar – area in Southern Ireland

    Why are so many Irish in fire Depts?
    Maybe IREland should be renamed fIREland?

    I knew but forgot transliteral applications from Aramaic, Hebrew,
    Cyrillic, Gael, Celt, Germanic

    In 1987, there were 26 professional teams in NFL, BASEBALL, NBA
    26 is the number of LETTERS in the USA ALPHABET.

    In 1944, ARMY G-2 proctored my future father to write a story
    published in the Bridgeport Herald and Bridgeport Post.
    It was filled with ICONIC words guarenteed to attract the attention
    of JEWS, ITALIAN, LATIN, IRISH and others.
    Bridgeport had Jasper McLevi a socialist mayor
    Bridgeport JCC + ICC are next to each other on Park Avenue and the
    relationship with the IRISH per Tammany Hall has been a long time
    strong political coalition in Bridgeport / CT – NY – RI – MA – NJ

    A little long – but Portia – you responded in a thoughtful way.

    what happened to me is NOT like what has happened to many / any
    people you know or would recognize – most likely.

    The others are too stupid or too insensitive or too uninterested to
    show at least a little kindness and thoughtfulness – thank you!

  445. 449 1george1

    Tough economy often causes people to need to brown bag.

    Failure to deliver politically can also ignite passions according
    to claims of some people.

    There are cruel people in the world.

  446. 450 portia1776

    Jez,

    “The problem lies in the solution. Do you make government regulation less stringent and turn these obviously unethical people loose on the population or do you somehow solve the problem by booting the bastids out. My prefer method is exposure. ‘Sunshine is the best disinfectant'” – The crux of the matter is who you see as unethical people. In my view, they are the politicians, bureaucrats, and bailed-out CEOs (or those looking for a bail-out or other unfair advantage) who are becoming powerful and rich at our expense. Exposure is absolutely critical to counteract their malign influence, but can only truly be achieved in a competitive, free-market.

    While I don’t completely agree with some of his policy recommendations, Nassim Nicholas Taleb has put forth a series of interesting principles on how to restore and reinvigorate Capitalism 2.0 – and thus achieve an “economic life closer to our biological environment: smaller companies, richer ecology, no leverage. A world in which entrepreneurs, not bankers, take the risks and companies are born and die every day without making the news.” These principles are:

    “1. What is fragile should break early while it is still small.
    2. No socialisation of losses and privatisation of gains.
    3. People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new bus.
    4. Do not let someone making an “incentive” bonus manage a nuclear plant – or your financial risks.
    5. Counter-balance complexity with simplicity.
    6. Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning.
    7. Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence.
    8. Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains.
    9. Citizens should not depend on financial assets or fallible ‘expert’ advice for their retirement.
    10. Make an omelette with the broken eggs.”

    For an explanation of each principle: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/tenprinciples.pdf

    But, of course, this administration and Congress are ignoring Taleb and the pro-free-market capitalist consensus of economists by applying the economic equivalents of leeches – fiscal stimuli measures, massive deficit spending paired with entitlement expansions, and promulgating myriad incomprehensibly large and complex new laws and regulations – with the support of many corporate giants.

    To someone who naively believes government is there to restrain unethical corporate excess, this support is perplexing, i.e., if Fin Reg is so good, how come so many of the bad actors have made their peace with it?

    To proponent of lassiez-faire the reasons are readily apparant. Politicians favor government interventionist policies because these polices gives them, the masters of government, more power, access to deep pockets, and control of their constituents lives while simultaneously making them less accountable to those constituents. For example, Senator Dodd, in his abortive re-election campaign, was not counting on individual campaign contributions from Connecticut voters. His campaign war chest had been stocked with mostly out of state contributions, much of which was coming from the very same bad actors that he was supposed to have been regulating.

    Politically connected businesses also favor government interventionist policies because these polices insulate them from the hardship of having to compete in the free market, by privatizing profits and socializing risk. Just think of what the New York Times used to refer to as “Government Sachs.”

    Also consider Ian Fletcher, the author of a book on trade, who recently presented at a Heritage Foundation hosted event and is an adjunct fellow at a corporate-funded think tank. Judging by those outlines of a resume, one would think he is a proponent of free-market capitalism. To the contrary, the event was organized by Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum and Feltcher’s book is fantastically titled: “”Free Trade Doesn’t Work: What Should Replace it and Why.” His pathetic* performance (including calls for protectionism and tariffs) can be seen here: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294588-4 .

    Turns out that the corporate think tank he works for, the US Business & Industry Council, which grandly declares itself “Fighting for American companies, fighting for American jobs” (as if those goals were synonymous in a 21st century, global economy), wants the government to intervene to “protect” their businesses from competition. Fletcher and his backers are not only dredging up mercantalist fallacies as if they had not been definitively disproven long ago, but also the xenophobia, jingoism, and nationalist fervor that characterizes the paranoid, introverted, zero-sum anti-free trade mindset. Free-market capitalism, by contrast, fosters global cooperation and peace, innovation, cosmopolitanism, and prosperity.

    To review: Government intervention may temporarily “save” a failed company and some, but usually not all, of its employees’ jobs. If the company was worth saving, however, the institution and its workers would always be better served by our existing laws that provide for a restructuring process in the bankruptcy courts, free from political interference on behalf of favored special interests (in the case of the auto bailouts, President Obama interceded on behalf of his undeserving union backers).

    It is dishonest of Fletcher and those opposed to free-trade and/or supportive of government intervention in the economy to not mention that this, too, is not a “free lunch.” Here are just some of the most obvious costs to consumers (who have to pay more for goods and services), to taxpayers (who pay higher taxes to support the bureaucracy required to command and control the economy), to workers (who lose or don’t have the opportunity to compete for jobs that free-trade would have created), and the overall economy (in the form of lower efficiencies, lower capital investments, and hence lower growth).

    *I should qualify “pathetic” as referring both to the quality of Fletcher’s presentation and that of his ideas. While admittedly impossible to advocate for the economic equivalents of bloodletting, Fletcher proved particularly inept. Instead of answering questions of substance, he said they were “too complex” for explanation outside the narrow confines of his book – how convenient! Milton Friedman, an economist par excellence and target of Fletcher’s quackery, never dodged a question by citing complexity; he communicated even the most complex issues into easily intelligible formats. And, as an actual economist who produced technical, scientific research of the first order, Friedman’s world of complexity is of a vastly superior variety. Those who hide behind complexity, like Fletcher or Representatives Stark, Pelosi, and Boehner, usually don’t know what they’re talking about.

  447. 451 jezebel282

    George,

    “Isn’t that kinda what happened in NAZI Germany?”

    No.

  448. 452 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “In my view, they are the politicians, bureaucrats, and bailed-out CEOs (or those looking for a bail-out or other unfair advantage) who are becoming powerful and rich at our expense. Exposure is absolutely critical to counteract their malign influence, but can only truly be achieved in a competitive, free-market.”

    I do not see how our views differ significantly. I would only add one word to your last sentence:

    Exposure is absolutely critical to counteract their malign influence, but can only truly be achieved in a competitive, free-market press.
    Which is essentially why this blog exists at all. You will note that this blog is not a profit driven, free market enterprise. Sigh…

    You will also note that “news” organizations have become co-opted as have politicians. Hint: rhymes with “box pews”.

    “To someone who naively believes government is there to restrain unethical corporate excess”.
    I’m going to ignore “naively”. But yet again, we do not differ all that much. Government should be there to restrain unethical and unfair (the same thing?) behavior. Just as the police are there to catch speeders so that the rest of us can drive the roads more safely and get where we are going.

    1. What is fragile should break early while it is still small.
    2. No socialisation of losses and privatisation of gains.
    3. People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new bus.
    4. Do not let someone making an “incentive” bonus manage a nuclear plant – or your financial risks.
    5. Counter-balance complexity with simplicity.
    6. Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning.
    7. Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence.
    8. Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains.
    9. Citizens should not depend on financial assets or fallible ‘expert’ advice for their retirement.
    10. Make an omelette with the broken eggs.”

    I agree completely. Except maybe for #1. Having started businesses with my own money, there were times when the businesses were more fragile than egg shells. I think the economic term is “risk”. You try to plaster it and reinforce it with extreme amounts of hard work and 18 hour days.

    “fiscal stimuli measures, massive deficit spending paired with entitlement expansions, and promulgating myriad incomprehensibly large and complex new laws and regulations”

    The problem here are the extremes. You tend to see any government involvement in anything as a bad thing that will destroy us all. I see a completely laissez faire policy as forfeiting all the rules of the game and hoping for the best.

    There is a reason Medicaid rolls have expanded significantly this year. More people are impoverished. The free market will not help them get healthy, they have no money. Foreclosures are at an all time high for the same reason.

    For some strange reason, we have almost no debate about tens of billions of dollars every month for wars and vicious partisan debates about helping Americans.

    In reality (other than scoring prose points), we are not that far apart.

  449. 453 jezebel282

    Oh…another thing.

    While this debate is enjoyable (OK, maybe only to me. I enjoy well written rhetoric. There is so little of it available)), I do not think anything will actually happen as a result.

    On the other hand, there are enough readers of this blog (400-600 per day) to make an actual difference in Stratford. Sooner or later even the commercial press picks up these articles. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

  450. 454 1george1

    George,
    “Isn’t that kinda what happened in NAZI Germany?”
    No.

    Sylvia had disagreed. This weekend I can look for those e-mails?
    However, your heart is as closed as your mind, unless it is one
    of your friends or family.

    Should I repost Rev Martin Niemoller?

  451. 455 1george1

    Both Portia and Jeze argument presupposes a basic assumption
    which USA – Western Civ political history “might” show is a huge flaw?

  452. 456 jezebel282

    George,

    “Sylvia had disagreed.”

    Sylvia and I disagreed on many things. May everyone let her rest in peace.

    “This weekend I can look for those e-mails?”

    Thanks anyway. I’ve said what I had to say. I’m not going to be drawn into this particular endless discussion. Neither one of us will benefit.

  453. 457 jezebel282

    Management update:

    Apparently we can’t even make Whoppers efficiently.

    Burger King has just been bought out by a Brazilian equity firm.

  454. 458 1george1

    457 – Will they come out with a PIRANNAH BURGER?
    BIG BITE – LITTLE BODY

    They missed the 3D movie release date for marketing TIE IN for
    mechanical or plastic minatures for pools and beaches!

    456 – Agreed related to Sylvia and the comparision, which I believe
    is personally and country wide valid.

    455 – I am not surpized Jeze did not take the bait.
    Portia may have been too busy to notice and ask about the basic
    assumption?

    For the record, many scientific facts have been corrected through
    the centuries and ever within the last few decades.

    For Decades, NEWSWEEK had a section about how CONVENTIONAL
    WISDOM is often wrong….

    454 – I agree with Jeze sentiment:
    Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

    My sentiment is government attorneys eventually make great compost
    because they are so full of nitrates…

    Sad about young man drownding at the base of my street, near outriggers.
    Today’s CT POST makes it read like Stratford Police are wrong?

  455. 459 cstratct

    Well darned if this article doesn’t hit the nail on the head:

    Why has Internet discourse devolved into a “war of every man against every man”?

    http://www.bigquestionsonline.com/columns/alan-jacobs/the-online-state-of-nature

    Perhaps the most salient quote from the article:

    “We clothe ourselves in the manifest justice of our favorite causes, and so clothed we cannot help being righteous (“Someone is wrong on the Internet”). In our online debates, we not only fail to cultivate charity and humility, we come to think of them as vices: forms of weakness that compromise our advocacy. And so we go forth to war with one another.”

  456. 460 1george1

    Good quote Chris.

    Now shuddup n agree wit yo critics … 😉
    I am teasing …

    Chris our disagreements are mostly style rather than real substance.
    Some Ways and Means – However most of us want what is best for the
    general population, for the most part.

    There are some a comparative few relative to total population in the
    shadows, who are devoid of empathy and compassion.

    All of us are entitled to our own opinions and priorities.
    We tend to step on each other, amongst our positions.
    Sometimes silence is the MOST DAMNING!

  457. 461 sudds

    “In our online debates, we not only fail to cultivate charity and humility…”

    this is EXACTLY why everyone here should purge their soul by participating in the Sterling Classic Golf Tournament on September 15th!!!

    https://www.quickscores.com/Orgs/Forms.php?OrgDir=sterlinghouse&task=view&FormDefID=2356&AlwaysShow=1

  458. 462 1george1

    SUDDS
    I am not allowed near a golf course.

  459. 463 sudds

    Oops… that should say Sept 20th.

    (sorry… I was just shopping on-line for a gift for Mrs. Sudds… the 15th is our wedding anniversary)

  460. 464 sudds

    “I am not allowed near a golf course.”

    Donations and sponsorships can be mailed directly to the Sterling House! (just please note that it is for the golf tourney, so we get credit)

  461. 465 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “the 15th is our wedding anniversary”

    Poor Mrs. Sudds. Is there no end to the torture this woman must bear?

  462. 466 sudds

    President Obama [July 23, 2009]: “”the stimulus is about jobs, jobs, jobs”

    HuffingtonPost Headline [Sept 2, 2010]: “UNEMPLOYMENT RATE RISES AGAIN”

    I do not have a giant Ronald Regan statue on my front lawn like Portia (ok, so this is an assumption of mine… but would anyone really be surprised???), but I’m starting to think that maybe these guys are on to something! 😆

    http://www.ky3.com/home/video/Billboard-buyer-shares-why-he-brought-Vote-Obama-sign-to-the-Ozarks-101850443.html

  463. 467 1george1

    Sudds,
    What was the BILL CLINTON line that clobbered GHWB?

    “It’s JOBS, stupid!”

    ===============

    Politics is relatively simple and the themes are repetative.
    The sequence of priorities move around.
    Diversion are created to stall or hide real issues – Nationally to Stratford.

  464. 468 jezebel282

    Report: CT long-term unemployment among tops in U.S.

    http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/news14683.html

    Connecticut’s long-term unemployment rate is the fourth highest in the country, and the number of underemployed residents in the state has reached historic highs, according to a new study released Friday.

    The long-term unemployment rate in Connecticut, meaning the share of unemployed workers who have been out of work for 6 months or more, despite looking for work, stands at 37 percent, tying the state with Rhode Island for the highest rate in New England, according a report by the Connecticut Voices for Children, an advocacy group.

    Connecticut’s long-term unemployment rate is also significantly above the national average of 32 percent, with older workers 55 and up, and college educated workers taking the longest time to find a new job.

    Meanwhile the state’s underemployment rate – which includes the unemployed, part-time workers who want to work full-time, and discouraged workers who have stopped looking for work — is at a historic high for the state, at 14 percent, the report said.

    Over the recession, Connecticut lost 103,400 jobs at rate of close to 5,000 jobs a month, hitting a low of 1,608,100 jobs in December of 2009.The state has since added back 12,000 jobs, but this represents only 12% of the total jobs lost over the recession, the report said.

    And yet, the only solution we will hear from the GOP is tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%. The solution for the suffering of the unemployed? More pain is good for them.

  465. 469 cstratct

    And don’t forget Jezebel, we have to test all those unemployed people for drugs too.

    According to Orrin Hatch, “Drug abuse prevents many individuals from getting off of welfare and back to work.”

    http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=3d3e1ab4-1b78-be3e-e099-95c71cb7495e&Month=6&Year=2010

    Senator Hatch must believe that “many” (his word) people who are unemployed are out there doing drugs.

    And here we thought that companies outsourcing jobs and using cheap labor in foreign countries was why people couldn’t get back to work.

  466. 470 1george1

    One of my bosses and I spoke about the irony of Roger Clements
    being pilloried for LYING to CONGRESS and possibly using STEROIDS?

    LYING TO CONGRESS is a CRIME
    LYING BY CONGRESS is a TRADITION.

    STEROIDS are BAD
    FDA approved drugs which KILL among SIDE EFFECTS ….
    DEA is part of US TREASURY – POT & COCAINE among CONTROLLED SUBTANCES
    ATF & E is part of US TREASURY – Cigarrettes is more addictive than HEROIN

  467. 471 sudds

    “And yet, the only solution we will hear from the GOP is tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%”

    Need I remind everyone that the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the White House for several months… if their solution was so much better… where the @#$% was it???

  468. 472 1george1

    SUDDS:
    the GOP is tax cuts for the wealthiest 2%”

    Need I remind everyone that the Democrats controlled the House, t
    he Senate and the White House for several months…
    if their solution was so much better… where the @#$% was it???

    —- SOMETHINGS are TIMELESS ——— SENT to CT POST yousaidit

    George Mulligan:
    “LYING to CONGRESS and EXECUTIVE is a CRIME.
    LYING by CONGRESS and EXECUTIVE is a TRADITION.”

    `brainyquote.com

    The difference between a Republican and a Democrat

    is the Democrat is a cannibal they have to live off each other,

    while the Republicans, why, they live off the Democrats.

    Will Rogers

    A holding company is a thing where you hand an accomplice
    the goods while the policeman searches you.

    Will Rogers

    About all I can say for the United States Senate is that it opens
    with a prayer and closes with an investigation.

    Will Rogers

    The more you observe politics, the more you’ve got to admit
    that each party is worse than the other.

    Will Rogers

    A fool and his money are soon elected.

    Will Rogers

    Make crime pay. Become a lawyer.

    Will Rogers

    It’s not what you pay a man, but what he costs you that counts.
    (see unpaid Town Council and BoE)

    Will Rogers

    There is no more independence in politics than there is in jail.

    Will Rogers

    We will never have true civilization until we have learned to
    recognize the rights of others.

    Will Rogers

    You can’t say civilization don’t advance…
    in every war they kill you in a new way.

    Will Rogers

    —- I identify with this:

    The fellow that can only see a week ahead is always the popular fellow,
    for he is looking with the crowd.

    But the one that can see years ahead, he has a telescope but he can’t
    make anybody believe that he has it.

    Will Rogers

    You’ve got to go out on a limb sometimes because that’s where the fruit is.
    (Or in certain Town & Town Hall offices, among other places!) 😉

    Will Rogers

  469. 473 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Need I remind everyone that the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the White House for several months”

    I’m going to take it you mean when the Democrats had a small majority in the House and an even smaller one in the Senate (Lieberman?). It’s a little more difficult to push through an agenda when W. could just veto it.

    But, be that as it may…how come you bring up the Stimulus but never mention the greater amounts simply given to the Banks? And by the way, how dare GOP members who voted against it stand for photo ops bragging about the projects in their own district or state.

    Personally, I am just tired of the partisan self gratification and hope somebody has a real solution to talk about instead of EconoPolitics. Like getting capital to be used instead of hoarded.

  470. 474 sudds

    “Like getting capital to be used instead of hoarded.”

    But the banks ARE using money… to buy off politicians!!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/the-10-banks-that-recieve_n_701660.html

  471. 475 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “But the banks ARE using money… to buy off politicians!!!”

    Maybe we need to cap the amount of graft taken by politicians. You know, on a sliding scale. Maybe a reduction of illegal contributions by 20% each time a politician is re-elected?

  472. 476 portia1776

    Jez,

    You’re right (don’t get too excited)… we agree more than it sometimes appears.

    “You will note that this blog is not a profit driven, free market enterprise.” – Everything is not always about money, Jez! Capitalists value things beyond the monetary, such as love (Prof. Roberts wrote a great novel called: “The Invisible Heart: An Economic Romance”). I think this blog is a labor of love. Still, I should point out, no one would begrudge you generating some revenue (or even a profit!) from providing such a valuable service.

    “You will also note that “news” organizations have become co-opted as have politicians.” – True… but, as this blog shows, they are increasingly irrelevant. Even the White House understand this: Justice Kagan was banned from speaking to the press. Her official “interview” was conducted by someone from the administration’s own media operation (I’ll refrain from the moment from saying what this sounds like… )

    I didn’t mean to imply you were the “naive” one. I was referring generally to those who believe intentions translate perfectly into reality, that “government is there to restrain unethical corporate excess” because we hope it will do so.

    “unethical and unfair (the same thing?)” – A quibble, but an important one. Neither is correct. Government should prosecute illegal behavior and maintain an independent judiciary where individuals can sue to redress injustices.

    “I agree completely. Except maybe for #1.” – Then you agree with 1, because Taleb is referring to the ridiculous concept of “too big to fail.” There will be pain either way, but the earlier failure is realized, the better for everyone. How much money is going to be wasted before we realize that GM cannot be saved? Ditto Fannie and Freddie?

    “The problem here are the extremes. You tend to see any government involvement in anything as a bad thing that will destroy us all. I see a completely laissez faire policy as forfeiting all the rules of the game and hoping for the best.” – Not true. As already stated, my view is that “Regulations and other interventions may be good or bad, but in all cases have intended and unintended consequences.”

    It is true that all the things I cited — “fiscal stimuli measures, massive deficit spending paired with entitlement expansions, and promulgating myriad incomprehensibly large and complex new laws and regulations” as well as monetary stimulus, which I had erroneously left out — have been demonstrably bad.

    But I, as well as classical liberalism and laissez faire, are very far from anarchism. In some ways, I may be more pro-government than you: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/finreg/#comment-13470

    “The free market will not help them get healthy, they have no money. ” – It can’t because, with rare exceptions, there is no free market in health care.

    “For some strange reason, we have almost no debate about tens of billions of dollars every month for wars and vicious partisan debates about helping Americans.” – You’re right, everything should be on the table and fair game for debate. When even the Secretary of Defense is arguing to cut his own budget – and being stymied by Congress – it is obvious that massive amounts of money are being wasted. This waste does not make us safer, the exact opposite, actually.

  473. 477 portia1776

    George,

    What do you mean by this: “Both Portia and Jeze argument presupposes a basic assumption which USA – Western Civ political history ‘might’ show is a huge flaw?”

    I like all the Will Rogers quotes… but you missed some of my favorites:

    “I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.”

    “There’s no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you.”

    “With Congress, every time they make a joke it’s a law, and every time they make a law it’s a joke.”

    “Never blame a legislative body for not doing something. When they do nothing, that don’t hurt anybody. When they do something is when they become dangerous.” [Jez, here’s one constructive idea to get capital flowing]

    “The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that’s out always looks the best.”

    “The budget is a mythical bean bag. Congress votes mythical beans into it, and then tries to reach in and pull real beans out.” [This Congress didn’t even bother to create a budget this year!]

    “The income tax has made liars out of more Americans than golf.”

  474. 478 1george1

    PORTIA:
    Much of your post about what is not discussed by the PUBLIC MEDIA
    has been labled conspiracy nut or irrelevant when I post on the blog
    or write in the newspapers.

    I grant to JEZE, that some of my posts are tangental rather than focused
    and my limited writing skills cause aggrivation to many readers.

    Your posting here has been a huge boost to my references and what I try
    to portray.
    Your argument with Chris allowed Me, then Sudds, then you, then Chris,
    and Phin/Ron/2013 with Jeze mixec in about blogging nice towards common
    objectives. (Hope I didn’t miss anyone?)

    On this blog, I never though I and other would create a consensus to
    change the course of the blog towards beling more solution oriented
    and/or recognizing problems of Federalish abusing Stratford.

    To all – good job

  475. 479 portia1776

    Sudds,

    “I do not have a giant Ronald Regan statue on my front lawn like Portia (ok, so this is an assumption of mine… but would anyone really be surprised???), but I’m starting to think that maybe these guys are on to something! :lol:” – Actually, if I had a statue of a 20th century president, it would probably be Harding or Coolidge — our last presidents who endeavored to follow the Constitution, restored government to its proper, limited role, and oversaw one of the largest expansions of prosperity for all socio-economic levels in the history of the world. Regan (and Kennedy and Clinton) did accomplish much good economically, but ultimately only slowed the trend lines of government growth (which has an inverse relationship with individual liberty), something easily undone by their respective successors.

  476. 480 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Maybe we need to cap the amount of graft taken by politicians. You know, on a sliding scale. Maybe a reduction of illegal contributions by 20% each time a politician is re-elected?” – Now you’re talking! Premise: politicians, as all individuals, are self-interested. Problem: A politician’s self-interest may not be the same as their constituents interests. Proposed Solution: Design an incentives structure that will encourage politicians to serve their constituents interests, because it will be in their own interests to do so.

    “Like getting capital to be used instead of hoarded.” – To quote historian Amity Shales:

    “By fixating on the debt and stimulus plans, Obama and Congress are overlooking challenges to the economy from taxes, employment and the entrepreneurial environment. President Roosevelt’s great error was to ignore such factors — and the result was that sickening double dip.”

    If President Obama wants private money to be spent, the solution is very simple: stop giving the private sector every inventive not to.

    As for anti-“hoarding” (i.e., individuals or associations of individuals (corporations) choosing to do what they want with their own money), we could always try President Roosevelt’s “solution”:

    “In 1935 he signed legislation known as the “soak the rich” law. FDR, more radical than Obama in his class hostility, spoke explicitly of the need for ‘very high taxes.’ Roosevelt’s tax trap was the undistributed-profits tax, which hit businesses that chose not to disgorge their cash as dividends or wages. The idea was to goad companies into action.

    The outcome was not what the New Dealers envisioned. Horrified by what they perceived as an existential threat, businesses stopped buying equipment and postponed expansion. They hired lawyers to find ways around the undistributed-profits tax. In May 1938, after months of unemployment rates in the high teens, the Democratic Congress cut back the detested tax. That bill became law without the president’s signature (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/08/AR2010070804272.html ).”

  477. 481 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Maybe we need to cap the amount of graft taken by politicians…” – Now you’re talking! Premise: politicians, as all individuals, are self-interested. Problem: A politician’s self-interest may not be the same as their constituents interests. Proposed Solution: Design an incentives structure that will encourage politicians to serve their constituents interests, because it will be in their own interests to do so.

    “Like getting capital to be used instead of hoarded.” – To quote historian Amity Shales:

    “By fixating on the debt and stimulus plans, Obama and Congress are overlooking challenges to the economy from taxes, employment and the entrepreneurial environment. President Roosevelt’s great error was to ignore such factors — and the result was that sickening double dip.”

    If President Obama wants private money to be spent, the solution is very simple: stop giving the private sector every inventive not to.

    As for anti-“hoarding” (i.e., individuals or associations of individuals (corporations) choosing to do what they want with their own money), we could always try President Roosevelt’s “solution”:

    “In 1935 he signed legislation known as the “soak the rich” law. FDR, more radical than Obama in his class hostility, spoke explicitly of the need for ‘very high taxes.’ Roosevelt’s tax trap was the undistributed-profits tax, which hit businesses that chose not to disgorge their cash as dividends or wages. The idea was to goad companies into action.

    The outcome was not what the New Dealers envisioned. Horrified by what they perceived as an existential threat, businesses stopped buying equipment and postponed expansion. They hired lawyers to find ways around the undistributed-profits tax. In May 1938, after months of unemployment rates in the high teens, the Democratic Congress cut back the detested tax. That bill became law without the president’s signature (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/08/AR2010070804272.html ).”

  478. 482 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Still, I should point out, no one would begrudge you generating some revenue (or even a profit!) from providing such a valuable service.”

    AD SPACE NOW AVAILABLE!

    Low rates! EZ Payments!

    Coolidge? Sigh if only he understood margin accounts….

    “choosing to do what they want with their own money’
    And still Republicans are against legalized marijuana.

  479. 483 portia1776

    “AD SPACE NOW AVAILABLE!” – On second thought, maybe love is a better metric: http://www.webworth.info/stratfordcharter.wordpress.com

    “Sigh if only he understood margin accounts….” – If only Harding and Coolidge included the Fed in the half of government they axed… think of all the hardships we would have avoided, including the Great Depression (As Milton Friedman and his colleague Anna Schwartz’s research established: “The Great Depression was produced by a failure of government; by a failure of monetary policy; by a failure of the Federal Reserve System to act in accordance with the intentions of those who established it; it was produced by a failure of the Federal Reserve System despite the presence of knowledge on the part of many people in the System about the right course of action.” see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyQsIGLt_w ).

    “And still Republicans are against legalized marijuana.” – There should be a qualifier somewhere in there… and mention of all the Democrats who are pro-prohibition, too.

    It is true that the “War on Drugs” officially began with President Dick Nixon, that establishment Republican “Progressive” paragon. But the sordid and racist and theocratic history of prohibitionist policies in America go back much farther. In our time, there is only a difference of emphasis between President Bush and President Obama in their prosecution of this most futile of perpetual wars.

    In any case, it is classical liberals and proponents of laissez-faire who are the staunchest advocates for ending drug prohibition, a violation of individual self-ownership that is incumbent to a free society. Here again is Milton Friedman at his best:

    Given the unintended conseuqences of prohibition, i.e., record alcohol consumption, transforming average citizens into criminals, the proliferation of speakeasys, and the havoc wrought by the Al Capones and gangs that benefited most from the now-illicit market in liquor: “Any idea that alcohol prohibition was keeping people from drinking was absurd…. As an economist I came to recognize the importance of markets and free choice and consumer sovereignty. And came to discover the harm that was done when you interfered with them.”

    “The effect of criminalization, of making drugs criminal, is to drive people from mild drugs to strong drugs.”

    “The child who is shot in a slum in a pass-by shooting is an innocent victim in every respect. The person who decides to take drugs for himself is not an innocent victim. He has chosen himself to be a victim… I do not think it is moral to impose heavy costs on other people to protect people from their own choices.

    “The role of the government is to protect the drug cartel.” [Yes, George, you read that correctly.]

    The failure of the “War on Drugs” is “a moral problem. It is a problem of the harm that government is doing… I have estimated that statistically that the prohibition of drugs produces on the average 10,000 additional homicides a year [circa the 1980s]. It is a moral problem that the government is going around killing 10,000 people. It’s a moral problem that the government is making into criminals people who may be doing something that you and I don’t approve of but are doing something that hurts nobody else. Most of the arrests for drugs are for possession by casual users. Now here’s someone who wants to smoke a… joint, a marijuana cigarette. If he’s caught he goes to jail. Now is that moral? Is that proper? I think it is absolutely disgraceful that our government — supposed to be our government – should be in the position of converting people who are not harming others into criminals, of destroying their lives, and putting them into jail.”

    How would drug legalization effect society? “I see America with half the number of prisons; half the number of prisoners; 10,000 fewer homicides a year; inner cities in which there is a chance for these poor people to live without having to be afraid for their lives; …citizens who might be respectable who are now addicts not being subject to becoming criminals in order to get their drug…”

    For the full interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY

  480. 484 1george1

    Portia:
    A friend kicked heroin cold turkey, many years ago.
    He is still addicted to cigarettes.

    A young family member was seduced by pot, cigarettes, alcohol,
    mushrooms, and some other things. Put his parents through hell.
    Did he choose this path? YES!
    Was he SEDUCED? YES!
    Are there engineered ingredients within most drugs to perpetuate
    DEPENDENCIES, which perpetuate SALES? YES!

    There is where I disagree with Milton Friedman and W. F. Buckley
    blaming the VICTIM, for choosing to be VICTIMIZED, when in fact
    we as a NATION were KNOWINGLY and MALICIOUSLY TARGETED!

  481. 485 1george1

    Follow up – for shortening post


    “The role of the government is to protect the drug cartel.”
    [Yes, George, you read that correctly.] GEORGE AGRESS!

    Part of U.S. Treasury:

    1) DEA – Drug Enforcement Agency.
    Q. – Who controls “controlled substances?”
    Q. – Where are COCAINE FIELDS in CT? NEW ENGLAND? USA? (Temperate?)
    Q. – Why invade PANAMA and have MEXICO in mess, when COLUMBIA is
    where most of COCAINE is grown for the DISTRICT of COLUMBIA gang lords,
    of TAMMANY HALL’S Order of COLUMBIA? Pharmacy = FarmaCIA.

    2) A.T.F. & E.
    * ALCOHOL = Post PROHIBITION standardized Quality

    * TOBACCO = A southern state plantations’ export. Plantation owners were
    Slave Owners, whereas Northern Industrialist exploited immigrants and lowly
    educated. Only 1.4 % of americans, owned slaves. Kinda like todays 70 % of
    USA Wealth is controlled by 4 % OR Orwell’s Oceania controlled by 2 %.

    * FIREARMS & explosives = USA was a CONQUORED Continent.
    Same as NORMAN England and now ISRAEL.
    > WAR + CRIME are BIG BUSINESS.
    > DuPont de NeMours was Louisiana Purchase Real Estate Agent.
    > NeMours was hometown of the last Male MeDici, POPES, QUEENS of
    FRANCE and likely related to FERDINAN, husband of ISABELLA = Columbus
    + JEWISH SPANISH DIASPORA + KICKED MOORS outta SPAIN.
    > DuPonts controlled DE, LA, & MI as the largest stock holders of GM.
    > Duponts + Disraeli rumoured to be “crypto-jewish” sephardim?
    > Rothchild’s rumoured to be German princes, pretending to be Jewish?
    > Whoever controls gunpowder, munnitions, and weapons factories can
    hardly believe in the “10 commandments” and more likely believe in the
    “7 commandments transitions” within “ANIMAL FARM?”

    The same way war evolved with more exotic weapons, so has science.
    There are minor and specific gene differences and DNA differences in
    certain peoples, which render specific populations vulnerable to attack
    as shown decades ago in certain Star Trek shows, now proven prescient.

    War + Crime create victims and relatives of victims, who become the
    next generation, who will seek retribution.

    Nuclear explosions are a legit danger.
    Greater danger are:
    – exotic genetic specific target diseases,
    – biotoxins
    – computer assault is by far the most dangerous….

    3) WINDFALL PROFITS TAX (Energy)
    * OIL + GAS + COAL have windfall profits tax and TRANSFERRED the wealth
    of the masses of Americans to the creatures who took over the Standard
    Oil Trusts, WAR FACTORIES, DRUG FACTORIES, and USA ECONOMICS

    4) Intentionally exaggerated FED + STATES USES of forms of FORMER MAFIA
    CASH COWS for TAXATION (listed first)

    – LOTTO / LOTTERY = NUMBERS RACKET

    – INSURANCE = PROTECTION RACKET
    – BUSINESS LICENSING = PROTECTION RACKET

    – HORSE / DOG / CAR RACING / SPORTS = BOOK MAKING

    – LICENSED ALCOHOL = PROHIBITION

    – TOBACCO + CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE + FDA = DRUG TRAFFIC

    – PAC + LOBBIES + BIG DONATIONS = BRIBERY

    – IRS + CT REV + PROPERTY TAX = EXTORTION

    – INDIAN (bagmen) CASINOS = GAMBLING or in CT. GAMpLING

    – BOXING + MMA/UFC = ASSAULT

    – MILITARY + FBI + STATE / LOCAL POLICE = MAFIA CAPO / SOLDIERS

    – JUDGES / PROSECUTORS – CONSIGLIERI

    – ELECTED Executive + Legislative + Judicial = FRONT MEN + SHELL – SHILLS

    – CORPORATIONS = FRONTS and MONEY LAUNDERING

    – STRIP JOINTS licensed by Liquor Commission = PROSTITUTION
    – MASSAGE PARLOER regulated by ZONING = PROSTITUTION
    – BAR ASSOCIATION = INTELLECTUAL PROSTITUTION
    – POLITICAL PARTIES = INTELLECTUAL PROSTITUTION
    – MILITARY RESEARCH + DEVELOPMENT = INTELLECTUAL PROSTITUTION
    – INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY = INTELLECTUAL PROSTITUTION

    ======

  482. 486 1george1

    To PORTIA – from Karl von Clausewitz:
    “It is clear that war is not a mere act of policy but a true political instrument,
    a continuation of political activity by other means”
    “War is a conflict of great interests which is settled by bloodshed,
    and only in that is it different from others.”
    “no one starts a war-or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so-
    without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve
    by that war and how he intends to conduct it.”

    Sun Tsu:
    *A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent,
    appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective.
    * In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy’s
    country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.
    So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it.

    Ariel Sharon:
    “I have learned from experience that the sword alone cannot decide
    this bitter dispute in this land.”
    “If we are to reach a situation of true peace, real peace, peace for
    generations, we will have to make painful concessions.
    Not in exchange for promises, but rather in exchange for peace.”

    Ted Turner:
    War has been good to me from a financial standpoint
    but I don’t want to make money that way.
    I don’t want blood money.

    Albert Einstein:
    To have security against atomic bombs and against the other biological
    weapons, we have to prevent war,
    for if we cannot prevent war every nation will use every means
    that is at their disposal;
    and in spite of all promises they make, they will do it.
    At the same time, so long as war is not prevented,
    all the governments of the nations have to prepare for war,
    and if you have to prepare for war,
    then you are in a state where you cannot abolish war.

    Martin Luther King Jr.
    Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace.
    But now, no longer can they just talk about it.
    It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world;
    it’s nonviolence or nonexistence.

    Michael Moore:
    The motivation for war is simple. (Occam Razor)
    The U.S. government started the war with Iraq
    in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations
    to do business in other countries.
    They intend to use cheap labor in those countries,
    which will make Americans rich.
    (GEORGE: Certain Americans rich and richer)

    OSCAR WILDE:
    As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination.
    When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular.
    (GEORGE – Replace “wicked” with PROFITABLE
    Replace “vulgar” with UNPROFITABLE.)

  483. 487 1george1

    FEDERALIST PAPERS QUOTES:

    # 26 > Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community
    REQUIRE TIME to mature them for execution.

    An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties,
    could only be formed by progressive augmentations;
    which would suppose, not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and executive,
    but a continued conspiracy for a series of time.

    # 79 > In the general course of human nature, A POWER OVER A MAN’s SUBSISTENCE AMOUNTS TO A POWER OVER HIS WILL.

    # 4 > One government can collect and avail itself of the
    talents and experience of the ablest men, …..
    It can move on uniform principles of policy.
    It can harmonize, assimilate, and protect the several parts and members,
    and extend the benefit of its foresight and precautions to each.
    ….interest of the whole, and particular interests of the parts …whole.
    It can apply the resources and power of the whole to the defense of any particular part, and that more easily
    It can place the (ENTIRE COUNTRY) under one plan of discipline,
    and, by putting their officers in a proper line of subordination to ….
    consolidate them into one corps, ….

    # 25 > As far as an army may be considered as a dangerous weapon
    of power, it had better be in those hands of which the people are
    most likely to be jealous than in those of which they are least likely
    to be jealous.
    For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that
    the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring
    their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain
    the least suspicion.

    # 26 > Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community
    REQUIRE TIME to mature them for execution.

    An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties,
    could only be formed by progressive augmentations;
    which would suppose, not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and executive,
    but a continued conspiracy for a series of time.

    SUMMARY of the FEDERALIST
    1 – Create a long term scheme to control the USA or the WORLD
    2 – Control means of subsistenance
    3 – Gather the most capable peoples’ skills, talents, and abilities
    4 – Be in the place of least suspicion (EFFECTUALLY invisible)

  484. 488 1george1

    Was the USA created to be a CLASSLESS SOCIETY ?

    CONSTITUTION: “WE the PEOPLE” “COMMON DEFENCE” GENERAL WELFARE”

    “All Duties, Imposts & Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

    “uniform Rule of Natualization, Uniform Law .. Bankruptcies …”

    “… standard weights and measures ..”

    “NO Title of Nobility … accept any present, emolument, Office, or Title,
    of any kind whatever from any King, Prince, or foreign state.”

    “NO state … grant title of Nobility…)

    – Economics is the social science that analyzes the production,
    distribution, and consumption of goods and services.
    Marxist Critique of Consumer Culture – Sandra LaFave- West Valley College
    Capitalists clearly control supply; but they also control demand by their …
    This is why Marx says
    “capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. ….. an end in itself,
    is merely a means to the animal end of self-preservation.

    According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions
    ….. for a transition from capitalism to communism

    MARX: As Prometheus, having stolen fire from heaven,
    begins to build houses and to settle upon the earth,
    so philosophy, expanded to be the whole world, turns against the
    world of appearance. The same now with the philosophy of Hegel.
    > (PRO ME THEUS Stature is in front of ROCKEFELLER CENTER.)


    MARX: Communism is the riddle of history solved,
    and it knows itself to be this solution.
    CHURCHILL: It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma;
    but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.”

    MARX: In general it is always empirical businessmen we are talking about
    when we refer to political economists, (who represent) their scientific
    creed and form of existence.
    *GENERAL GEORGE MARSHALL: Furthermore, governments, political parties,
    or groups which seek to perpetuate human misery in order to profit
    there from politically or otherwise will encounter the opposition of
    the United States.
    *GENERAL EISENHOWER: But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise.
    Of these, I mention two only
    immense military establishment and a large arms industry …
    The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in
    every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government
    ..guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
    whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
    potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
    * technological revolution … domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
    * public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological
    elite.
    MILTON FRIEDMAN: New Deal was “the wrong cure for the wrong disease”,
    OMAR BRADLEY: “Wrong WAR; Wrong place; Wrong time; Wrong Enemy!
    MILTON FRIEDMAN: considered his best work the consumption function,
    “the permanent income hypothesis (1957),” derative from Robert Lucas’s
    “the theory of rational expectations.”
    DEFINITION SABOTAGE: 1) Destruction of property or obstruction of “normal operations,” as by civilians or enemy agents…..
    2. Treacherous action to defeat or hinder a cause or an endeavor;
    deliberate subversion.
    SCHUMPETER: “creative destruction” economic theory: innovation+progress
    ..describes process of transformation that accompanies radical innovation.
    HEILBRONER: Classified economies as: Subsistentence; Command/Planned;
    Market; or Mixed.

    MARX: Long before me bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this class struggle and bourgeois economists, the economic anatomy of classes. What I did that was new was to prove:
    (1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with the particular,
    historical phases in the development of production,
    (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the
    proletariat,
    (3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the
    abolition of all classes and to a classless society.
    CONDORCET: The Future Progress of the Human Mind
    Condorcet argued that the human race had already progressed through nine stages (great epochs of history). The tenth stage would be the epoch of the future. According to Condorcet the characteristics of the future would be shaped by history. By this method he stated that tenth stage would be characterised by three tendencies:
    •equality between nations
    •equality between classes
    •the intellectual, moral and physical improvement of all individuals
    Condorcet’s equality is not absolute equality, but specifically the
    equality of freedom and rights. He believed that there were no
    limits to the human mind’s capacity for knowledge and virtue,
    or even to the prolongation of life itself.
    As a result he placed enormous importance on education.

    Condorcet’s book shows a deep hatred of monarchy and religion,
    particularly Christianity.

    THOMAS PAINE:
    All national institutions of churches, whether
    Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other
    than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind,
    and monopolize power and profit.

    Masons (Freemasonry)
    – Christian or Anti-Christian? or anti-Judeo? or anti-Catholic?
    Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of
    the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons.
    The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men
    based on the “fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man,”
    using builders’ tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths
    generally accepted by persons of good will.

    Their motto is “morality in which all men agree, that is,
    to be good men and true.”
    It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the
    immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership,
    but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used

  485. 489 1george1

    – Economics is the social science that analyzes the production,
    distribution, and consumption of goods and services.
    That means MATERIALISM as opposed to SPIRITUALISM.
    However, Adam Smith ws a Scottish moral philosopher and a pioneer
    of political economics, who preceded
    “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.”
    with writing: “The Theory of Moral Sentiments.”

    GEO: Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Economics, Royalism, are secular
    counterpoints that can be used against any religion …

    WIKIPEDIA: Economics aims to explain how economies work and how
    economic agents interact.
    Economic analysis is applied throughout society, in business, finance and government, but also in crime,education, the family, health, law, politics,
    religion, social institutions, war, and science.
    The expanding domain of economics in the social sciences
    has been described as economic imperialism.

    Marxist Critique of Consumer Culture – Sandra LaFave- West Valley College
    Capitalists clearly control supply; but they also control demand by their …
    This is why Marx says
    “capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. ….. an end in itself,
    is merely a means to the animal end of self-preservation.

    According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions
    ….. for a transition from capitalism to communism

    MARX: As Prometheus, having stolen fire from heaven,
    begins to build houses and to settle upon the earth,
    so philosophy, expanded to be the whole world, turns against the
    world of appearance. The same now with the philosophy of Hegel.
    > (PRO ME THEUS Stature is in front of ROCKEFELLER CENTER.)


    MARX: Communism is the riddle of history solved,
    and it knows itself to be this solution.
    CHURCHILL: It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma;
    but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest.”

  486. 490 1george1

    MARX: In general it is always empirical businessmen we are talking about
    when we refer to political economists, (who represent) their scientific
    creed and form of existence.
    *GENERAL GEORGE MARSHALL: Furthermore, governments, political parties,
    or groups which seek to perpetuate human misery in order to profit
    there from politically or otherwise will encounter the opposition of
    the United States.
    *GENERAL EISENHOWER: But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise.
    Of these, I mention two only
    immense military establishment and a large arms industry …
    The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in
    every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government
    ..guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
    whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
    potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
    * technological revolution … domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
    * public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological
    elite.
    MILTON FRIEDMAN: New Deal was “the wrong cure for the wrong disease”,
    OMAR BRADLEY: “Wrong WAR; Wrong place; Wrong time; Wrong Enemy!
    MILTON FRIEDMAN: considered his best work the consumption function,
    “the permanent income hypothesis (1957),” derative from Robert Lucas’s
    “the theory of rational expectations.”
    DEFINITION SABOTAGE: 1) Destruction of property or obstruction of “normal operations,” as by civilians or enemy agents…..
    2. Treacherous action to defeat or hinder a cause or an endeavor;
    deliberate subversion.
    SCHUMPETER: “creative destruction” economic theory: innovation+progress
    ..describes process of transformation that accompanies radical innovation.
    HEILBRONER: Classified economies as: Subsistentence; Command/Planned;
    Market; or Mixed.

    MARX: Long before me bourgeois historians had described the historical development of this class struggle and bourgeois economists, the economic anatomy of classes. What I did that was new was to prove:
    (1) that the existence of classes is only bound up with the particular,
    historical phases in the development of production,
    (2) that the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the
    proletariat,
    (3) that this dictatorship itself only constitutes the transition to the
    abolition of all classes and to a classless society.
    CONDORCET: The Future Progress of the Human Mind
    Condorcet argued that the human race had already progressed through nine stages (great epochs of history). The tenth stage would be the epoch of the future. According to Condorcet the characteristics of the future would be shaped by history. By this method he stated that tenth stage would be characterised by three tendencies:
    •equality between nations
    •equality between classes
    •the intellectual, moral and physical improvement of all individuals
    Condorcet’s equality is not absolute equality, but specifically the
    equality of freedom and rights. He believed that there were no
    limits to the human mind’s capacity for knowledge and virtue,
    or even to the prolongation of life itself.
    As a result he placed enormous importance on education.

    Condorcet’s book shows a deep hatred of monarchy and religion,
    particularly Christianity.

    THOMAS PAINE:
    All national institutions of churches, whether
    Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other
    than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind,
    and monopolize power and profit.

    Masons (Freemasonry)
    – Christian or Anti-Christian? or anti-Judeo? or anti-Catholic?
    Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of
    the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons.
    The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men
    based on the “fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man,”
    using builders’ tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths
    generally accepted by persons of good will.

    Their motto is “morality in which all men agree, that is,
    to be good men and true.”
    It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the
    immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership,
    but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used

  487. 491 portia1776

    George,

    I only have time for a quick comment: “Was he SEDUCED? YES!
    Are there engineered ingredients within most drugs to perpetuate
    DEPENDENCIES, which perpetuate SALES? YES!” – Being against drug prohibition is not synonymous with advocating drug usage. I personally think anyone who uses drugs for recreational purposes is playing with fire, and must accept the consequences of their poor choices. But it is a choice. There is no coercion involved unlike, say, in prostitution, where sometimes girls and women are abducted, tortured, and put through a dehumanization process to transform them into prostitutes. Perhaps your friend tried heron once and got hooked. According to the DEA’s own numbers while such a scenario is possible, it is not as likely as is commonly thought. It turns out that millions more people have experimented with marijuana, cocaine, and heron, than are actually addicts (President Obama’s admitted cocaine usage makes him a case in point). Another more plausible scenario: your friend already had a problem with dependency, and found in heron a “friend,” akin to Richard Pryor’s crack pipe. In any case, no one put a gun to your friend’s head and said ‘you’re going to shot heron.’ If you watch Friedman’s interview, he discusses how prohibition has made illicit drugs more potent and how, in his opinion, crack probably wouldn’t have been invented without prohibition making it economically expedient.

  488. 492 1george1

    Portia,
    Obama + Rich Prior drug use?

    George W Bush abused alcohol until 1986, thanks to Billy Graham
    and cocaine use is widely alledged.

    Rush Limbaugh took the plea about perscription pain killer drugs,
    whereas he was booked in FL.

    While I admire Friedman’s intellect, there are differences between
    intellectual exercizes and real world applications.

    Further, the INTELLECT which creates WARS also created the DRUG
    invasion where KIDS are overwhelmed by peer pressure, age related
    rebellion / curiousity, ambient culture, and engineered dependency.

    I have always hated ABUSE.

    I ran my Roger Ludlowe HS 1969 graduating class reunions: 7 year,
    10 and 15, while starting the 20th, which was taken over and run
    into the ground…. by children of certain political mentality …

    Even children of very well off and highly intelligent people became
    victims and several died. Stratford has a more pronounce problem
    and more obvious, with more casualties. Bridgeport is far worse.

    Bridgeport, prior to Ganim was a COMFORT STOP where I saw GUN
    FIGHTS, KNIFE FIGHTS, OPEN DRUG TRAFFIC and MANY HOOKERS as
    I had to detour I-95, from work.

    Parts of the USA were as bad as MEXICO is now.

    Had my mom not died when I was 9, I likely would not become obese.
    Conversely, had I not been obese and excluded from some HS social
    circles, I may have fallen prey to drugs and / or alcohol.

    I became involved with bad nutrician and sugar / candy, which are
    forms of drug abuse. However, where people rob stores of cigarettes,
    alcohol, and money for drugs and alcohol, I haven’t ready about any
    robberies to fund a sugar fix.

  489. 493 1george1

    I was fortunate to obey my father and take the USPO – USPS test and
    begin a career with the USPS from 9 / 1971 – 4 / 1988.

    I didn’t appreciate it at the time …. so I can relate to stratford town
    workers … however a decent pay check with benefits allowed me to
    create my own social universe.
    From 1971 – 1984 (USPS assault) I ran:

    > 26 team average coed bowling league, 5 per team, twice full 32 lanes.
    – won the league a couple times – keeping money from spoiling FUN of:
    – – Annual catered picnics, with trophies and left over seed money back
    – – July 4th celebration – each time provide salad/soup/dessert while we
    supplied beverages/cold cuts-cheese / breads-rolls
    – – Yankee Bus trip include tickets, beverages & sandwhiches
    – – Beach Parties
    – – Trip to quasipaug park
    – – Raised almost $ 20,000 for MDA in last 3 years, and formula stolen by
    big brothers / big sisters averaging $ 60,000 for several years – It OK.

    > Men’s recreation 3 full court basketball @ Ludlow. average 60 men and
    one year had a couple UCONN girls and many years ex-Fairfield U guards.

    > 2 men’s softball teams, which twice won league titles.
    – Average softball player. Little Leauge all star 1st base.

    > Multiple men’s bowling leagues, with several championships as a team.
    – Average bowler.

    > 10 year assisted running 26 team FUN coed softball league + team
    – Twice league champion. Always FUN!

    > 10 years bought 100 – 120 tickets for resale for Parade of Champions,
    Barnum Festival Drum & Bugle corp, pre July 4th meet.

    For several years I had picnics at my home with over 100 people until I
    found a white power on a mirror in a bedroom, which was in bathroom.
    – Never had another party.

    —-

    There are several compentents which allowed me to create and run my
    social universe,

    And then be sabotaged with sisyphus actions…..

    While the local and monitor scum led their pathetic lives and thinking
    they were all that, living off bread crumbsm using me and others ….
    real monsters were free to destroy lives relegating minions to do their
    bidding like good little puppets they all are …..

    —–

    In counter intelligence, there are double / triple / quadruple agents
    and more. . . .

    In a world where there is a cornucopia available, pathetic members of
    secret societies live like parasites, ghouls, vampires, who need to LIE,
    CHEAT, and STEAL as their only ways and means.

    Better ways exist.
    Better ways have existed than preying on others …

  490. 494 portia1776

    George, again, I am sorry for a paucity of time to respond as I would like to. If I may on two points:

    “George W Bush abused alcohol until 1986” – There are a plethora of examples. I used President Obama because, to my knowledge, he is the only prominent politician on this side of the pond to admit to cocaine use. But you’re implicit point is well-taken: how come alcohol is legal while marijuana is not? Alcohol-related fatalities and crimes vastly outnumber marijuana-related fatalities and crimes. Nicotine is also a known addictive poison, but remains legal — provided you get your fix from the government created cigarette cartels. Both tobacco and alcohol, while less physically harmful than heroin, have been found to cause more physical harm than cannabis. And yet cannabis, as heroin, is a Schedule I Drug under President Dick Nixon’s Controlled Substances Act.

    The only circumstance in which a case might be made about “seduction” is with smoking among US military personnel. Many an American serviceman became a smoker while in the military, because the government gave them cigarettes. Fearing the liability, Congress has even passed a law that severely restricts veterans from seeking disability pensions for their smoking-related illnesses.

    “While I admire Friedman’s intellect, there are differences between intellectual exercizes [sic] and real world applications.” – George, in the real-world the “War on Drugs” has been a colossal failure, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the ruining of the lives of many more, and at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. Friedman predicted that drug prohibition would fail because it violated individual freedom and ran counter to economic principles, such as the laws of supply and demand. He has tragically been proven correct on all counts.

    Remember, Friedman was the man who ended the draft in this country, at a time when his critics, including General Westmoreland, thought that no one would join the military if it was voluntary instead of compulsory (what Friedman called a “slave” army). Milton Friedman persevered in the field of ideals, but has also been proven right in the real-world. We now have the best military in the world, composed of people who freely choose to serve, not those who are coerced (in Russia this once meant getting hit over the head with a vodka bottle) to enlist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mCV29j9_nY ).

  491. 495 portia1776

    Addendum: Perhaps this take down of the most prevalent fallacies propagated by proponents of drug prohibition (in this case conservatives O’Reilly and Hannity) will add some light to our discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjyUS9CBeVE

  492. 496 1george1

    PORTIA:
    The utube shows the partial complexity about Drugs and Alcohol.
    However, it also goes back to intent and execution by the people
    who created the situations and then pit peoples against each other,
    with Revenue and Political motives.

    It brings me back to what I posted in the past and asked what is either
    a rhettorical or provocative question on cause and effect related to
    both politics and profit:

    WARS ON:

    DRUGS
    CRIME
    POVERTY
    DEPENDANCY
    RACISM
    TERRORISM
    GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION
    VETERANS TREATMENT
    ENERGY
    EDUCATION – No child left behind – Private Ed vs. Public Ed
    BUDGET DEFICIT
    UNEMPLOYMENT
    SOCIAL SECURITY
    WELFARE
    Pension + Health Care abuses
    HEALTH INSURANCE reform
    INSIDER TRADER regulator (non) oversight
    BANKRUPTCY + CREDIT CARD Rates / FORECLOSURES
    TRADE DEFICIT (not exist according to M. Friedman 1980s Fortune mag)
    FAMILY VALUES

    The list goes on, as Government BUDGETS increase with each failure.

    Part of the 150 page information I turned to senate / congress Sept 1987
    included the list of regulation sections / subsections, without any specs.
    > I never was against regulation. I was against impractical and bad regs.
    > Who can know all the rules, especially when the either were diametric
    or “intentionally flawed?” (like Stratford (& USA) Law and Economics?)

  493. 497 1george1

    It is heartening to me for Portia to post these issues.
    I partially agree with Portia on solutions / positions.
    I partially agree with Chris and Jeze on solutions / positions.
    I partially agree with others on solutions / positions.
    I partially disagree with everyone on solutions / positions.

    However Portia is far closer to identifying with “my social issues”
    than Jeze has been.

    We are not going to affect national policy …
    Actual I have affected national and international policy since my 9/1987
    information caused reassessments.
    I have additionally affacted national policy with my 9/10/2001, June 2008,
    and recent transfer of information.

    Aug 9 – I embarassed local schmucks.
    Aug 10 – they erased personal and business information from my Data.
    Subsequently, I sent e-mails to D.A.R.P.A. intentionally trying to provoke
    them with both insults and ideas to reprioritize military operations into
    terraforming land masses, world wide desalination, national infrastructural
    implemention of a USA Marshal plan / GI Bill.

    RESULTS?”

    A combative President Barack Obama rolled out a long-term jobs program Monday that would exceed $50 billion to rebuild roads, railways and runways, and coupled it with a blunt campaign-season assault on Republicans for causing Americans’ hard economic times.

    — While the STIMULUS PACKAGE was a BRIBE for States’ Teachers,
    Police, fire and other government workers …. the T.A.R.P. was a
    bribe to the executives who know the truth about the electronic
    paper trail of the transfer of USA wealth …. BIG AUTO needed to
    be RETOOLED and REDIRECTED ….

  494. 498 1george1

    For those who condemn me to “tin foil caps” about the above claim,
    please note the dates and contents of the below e-mails to D.A.R.P.A.
    They are best read starting from the bottom.

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: George Mulligan
    To: SBIR@DARPA.MIL
    Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 5:10:12 AM
    Subject: Fw: Followup Fw: PREEMPTIVE PROPOSALS: Adaptive Defense Innovating Administrative Management

    August 11, 2010

    DARPA Small Business Programs Office
    3701 North Fairfax Drive
    Alington, VA. 22203-1714 (NOT)
    (703) 526-4170
    SBIR@DARPA.MIL

    Ref: World conquest in 24 hours without Violence

    Hello,
    DARPA is the cutting edge creator of offensive and defensive weapons
    and technology that is both violent and non violent.

    Why be Morelockes, Planning System, Military Industrial Complex, Robber
    Barons, Dystopia, and Marx target, when Occam Razor solution in now
    available.

    What is the OBJECTIVE and END GAME of DARPA and patrons?

    Has the question been asked and solution be plotted?

    1 – Most people do not care who runs what. Most just want decent life.

    2 – For those who are different, why not refocus and rechannel directions?

    3 – Does DARPA favor eliminating FREE WILL for e v e r y o n e ?

    4 – Does DARPA favor violence for the sake of violence or political objectives
    when humanity, morality, ethics, money/profit, ideology, compromise, ego,
    turf, and primal desires can have superior psychic gratification using NON
    violence to achieve END GAME OBJECTIVES?

    5 – Instead of being mired in the mud and muck of a centuries old plan, does
    DARPA and patrons perfer to be slaves of History and Chain of Command?

    Or, if END GAME OBJECTIVES are expeditiously achieved, no intelligent
    person would consider that there would no longer be challenges …

    BOTTOM LINE: Do PATRONS of DARPA prefer to be content to be SLAVES
    of the PAST PLANNERS or the MASTERS of their OWN FATE and welcomed
    and RECOGNIZED as CHAMPIONS of the American People and Humanity?

    Movie: Sneakers

    What do you believe it means to be an American? All of you?

    Are you content to sneak around simply sabotaging with Sisypus technique?
    Or do you prefer real challenges and opportunity to be Pioneers and Explorers?

    Are the World’s conquerors cowards and brave?

    George Mulligan
    Stratford, CT. 06615
    (203) 378-1888
    georgeemcom@yahoo.com

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: George Mulligan
    To: SBIR@DARPA.MIL
    Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 9:05:36 AM
    Subject: Fw: Followup Fw: PREEMPTIVE PROPOSALS: Adaptive Defense Innovating Administrative Management

    August 11, 2010

    DARPA Small Business Programs Office
    3701 North Fairfax Drive
    Alington, VA. 22203-1714 (NOT)
    (703) 526-4170

    Ref: Today’s FBI cointel, CIA Jewels, DOD & NSC
    are committing criminal acts and supporting treason

    Hello,

    Monday I handed out the Aug 9 Attachment at town hall to the 10 town council members, mayor, 3 town attorneys, police chief (former head CT. Home Land security) and others.

    The next day my Data Base had personal, financial, and business information deleted!

    That was a personal attack.

    It was nothing to do with “the bigger picture” or national security.

    The attachments have to do with national security and the intentional failures of the criminal class within our patriotic organizations.

    The steganography of various types of black ops strongly suggest such things as sabotage for the space shuttle and may have been used to kill Sen Stevens + NASA O’Keefe.

    3 mile island + chernobyl / cher noble were contrived to increase USA Oil dependancy and finance an OIogarchial Plutographic take over of all USA Stocks and Properties.

    This e-mail is likely to be rerouted by the very traitors and criminals I warn about and who murdered my family and others over a period of decades

    They appear to have alligiances superior to the Constitution, which they used as toilet paper when it come to the rights, lives, and livelihoods of chosen victims whom they make to be reified versions of the “book of Job.”

    Judges / Justice / FBI / State Police / State Judges / State Prosecutors / Attorney General / Local Police / Local Attorneys elected and others have acted more like KKK / NAZIs / and ROYAL MINIONS.

    H E L P

    George Mulligan
    429 Housatonic Avenue
    Stratford, CT. 06615
    (203) 378-1888
    georgeemcom@yahoo.com

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: George Mulligan
    To: SBIR@DARPA.MIL
    Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 3:13:41 AM
    Subject: Followup Fw: PREEMPTIVE PROPOSALS: Adaptive Defense Innovating Administrative Management

    August 3, 2010

    DARPA Small Business Programs Office
    3701 North Fairfax Drive
    Alington, VA. 22203-1714 (NOT)
    (703) 526-4170

    Ref: Today’s cointel is turning on their superiors

    Hello,
    Members of the Intelligence Community have been playing with my life
    and the lives of my family and many others for decades.

    This includes implanting suggestions.

    The people doing the grunt work will figure out that they can turn on the
    people who are ordering them to mess around with innocent people and
    will penetrate their superiors, making them the inferiors to the grunts.

    The grunts have the power to change the world for better or worse.
    Is there any reason for war, drugs, and massive crime?

    What is the advantage to grunts?
    Is there any reason not to restore those things taken from me, in the power
    of the grunts to return?

    By doing so, the grunts prove they are superior to their superiors instead of
    being slaves in the chain of command and mocked as they are in “BECKETT’S”

    “DICTIONARY of ESPIONAGE.”

    Don’t believe me – Even though it is out of print …… it is accessible …

    George Mulligan
    Stratford, CT. 06615
    (203) 378-1888
    georgeemcom@yahoo.com

    —– Forwarded Message —-
    From: George Mulligan
    To: SBIR@DARPA.MIL
    Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 12:23:44 AM
    Subject: PREEMPTIVE PROPOSALS: Adaptive Defense Innovating Administrative Management

    August 3, 2010

    DARPA Small Business Programs Office
    3701 North Fairfax Drive
    Alington, VA. 22203-1714 (NOT)
    (703) 526-4170

    Proposal: Destruction of all World Weapons Systems, Voodoo Economies, and Replacements Adaptive Defense Innovating Administrative Management

    Hello,
    I would like to replace War and Death with Peace and Long Lives, Happiness and Prosperity.
    To be paid billion$ to direct programs would be nice.
    I would be content with honest U.S. government. Equally unlikely.

    Hypotheticals:

    1) What if pockets of DEEP OIL were placed in the Earth to fuel the Molten Core?
    A) Molten core, assists / creates earth rotation
    B) Earth rotation creates gravity.
    C) Ending rotation of the Earth turns everyone into astronauts
    D) Rockefeller OIL / Industrial Revolution since around 1870 has used some carbon reserves and is an INVISBLE AFFECT on the WORLD for 140 years.
    2) What if proliferation of Radio Waves via Cell Phones, TV/RADIO, Radar, etc had an effect on the Earth’s Polar Electro-Magnetic fields and/or local Electro Magnetic fields which would cause instant death to all human, animal, and plant life, which rely on electronic synapsis.
    > I am aware if you are low life cocksockers you will abuse the concept.
    A) Earth Electro Magnetic Poles effect the world in ways you know better than I.
    B) Edison and other Electrical Revolutions since 1870s = electro-magnetic proliferation and is an INVISBLE AFFECT on the WORLD for 140 years

    3) What is the DOD became active in assisting Terraforming Deserts, Oceans, Mountains as a legitimate mission instead of the present schadenfreude, sadistic, and treasonous hypocracy?
    A) Conquoring real challenges instead of ignorant manipulated savages is a challenge worthy of true warriors. Although the present intelligent / security community appears comprized of effeminate cowards who monitor and manipulate people from distances.
    B) No offense to our real heroes in the field, like Pat Tillman was.

    4) All Moslems most do the Haj. Islam goes across the Equator from North Africa to SE Asia. If the USA and other countries built extra wide RAIL ROADS to Mecca, it creates goodwill and ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES that are NON PARALLEL.
    A) DeSalination and Remediation increases productive acreage, with Oxygen producing plants which can also feed people, instead of arid deserts.
    B) Solar Energy is far more accessable across / near equators, allowing all construction to be extremely cost effective, provided (see # 1)
    C) Arabic is the 2nd most used writing in the world, behind Latin/English, not ChinesE. Help Arabs = make money = inprove QL

    5) The American Economy is extremely fixable to be fair and equitable, expeditiously.

    6) Treason has been committed by DOD / WAR GAMERS.
    It needs to cease ASAP.
    I propose NEW basic planning for operations.

    Your operatives know how to reach me.
    However, none have the balls or patriotism to do the right things.

    George Mulligan
    429 Housatonic Avenue
    Stratford, CT. 06615
    (203) 378-1888
    georgeemcom@yahoo.com

  495. 499 1george1

    POST # 498 is awaiting moderation.
    It contains e-mails to D.A.R.P.A. starting August 11, 2010.
    Note contents.
    Note Obama’s plans per economic / jobs development subsequent
    to the e-mails: R & D – Spending on Infrastructure – Job creation
    Compare contents of the e-mails to Obama announcements in the
    last month …… sometimes idiots like me can inspire improvments?
    Or … maybe it is simply coincidence …

    The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military. DARPA has been responsible for funding the development of many technologies which have had a major effect on the world, including computer networking, as well as NLS, which was both the first hypertext system, and an important precursor to the contemporary ubiquitous graphical user interface.

    Its original name was simply Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), but it was renamed DARPA (for Defense) during March 1972, then renamed ARPA again during February 1993, and then renamed DARPA again during March 1996.

    DARPA was established during 1958 (as ARPA) in response to the Soviet launching of Sputnik during 1957, with the mission of keeping U.S. military technology more sophisticated than that of the nation’s potential enemies. From DARPA’s own introduction,[2]

    DARPA’s original mission, established in 1958, was to prevent technological surprise like the launch of Sputnik, which signaled that the Soviets had beaten the U.S. into space. The mission statement has evolved over time. Today, DARPA’s mission is still to prevent technological surprise to the US, but also to create technological surprise for its enemies.

    DARPA is independent from other more conventional military R&D and reports directly to senior Department of Defense management. DARPA has around 240 personnel (about 140 technical) directly managing a $3.2 billion budget. These figures are “on average” since DARPA focuses on short-term (two to four-year) projects run by small, purpose-built teams.

  496. 500 1george1

    Please read the above e-mails and compare to Obama’s last
    speach and subsequent pronouncements related to:
    – Mideast Peace
    – R & D
    – Jobs
    – Infrastructure

    My various e-mails, attachments, and handouts contain specific
    references to the Marshall Plan, Trilateral Commission, Eisenhower
    Fairwell, and more.
    Jeze was sent the above e-mails and attachments.
    They also exculpate Bush – Cheney, Obama, and many key leaders
    for decades including many on both sides of Wars as being puppets.

    My concept:
    Make CONSTRUCTION more PROFITABLE and desireable than DESTRUCTION.
    Also more attractive to the psychic gratification of various LEADERS in the
    USA and WORLD POWERS, from government to industry to military.

    The Marshall Plan is a simple articulation of the USA transition from the
    DEPRESSION into ECONOMIES to SCALE which set up EUROPE and USA
    with widspread GOOD JOBS with BENEFITS until the Eisenhower farewell
    which appears closely linked to OPEC creation and siphon of USA wealth.

  497. 501 1george1

    Why does my avatar have an x?

    I posted a yahoo 10 ways to end unemployment.
    Not in the slot.

  498. 502 1george1

    avatar “x” disappeared? – Yahoo post not show up? – trying again

    The 10 Things the Government Could Do to Cut Unemployment In Half
    by Douglas A. McIntyre – Friday, September 3, 2010 24/7 Wall Street

    1. Tax Credits.

    2. Funding Reduced Pay. Germany has a government policy that provides tax credits to companies that shorten work hours rather than lay off employees.

    3. Saving Small Business.

    4. Working for the Government. Many of the FDR economic stimulus programs

    The Works Progress Administration was created in 1935.
    It added nearly 8 million jobs to the economy by a number of measurements.
    The first three years of the WPA cost the country $7 billion, which by today’s standards would be several dozen times that.
    However, the jobs created allowed the government to avoid unemployment support to people who would have been essentially idle
    and gave them job skills that in many cases were useful when the economy recovered.

    5. Jobs Not Projects

    The 10 Things the Government Could Do to Cut Unemployment In Half
    by Douglas A. McIntyre
    Friday, September 3, 2010
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    24/7 Wall St. looked at 10 possible solutions that could decrease unemployment to the 5% level that most economists think is healthy and normal for an expanding economy.

    None of these plans are new, but some of them have not been used in America for decades, and others have only been used by other nations. There are few complex aspects to any of these solutions, although most of them would require an organization as large as the federal government to administer them. And some of these proposals would be unpopular with voters, at least those who are employed.

    More from 24/7 Wall St.:

    • Sudden Excitement in Jobs & Staffing Companies

    • Too Many Cell Phone Companies Expect Huge Unit Growth

    • The Cities The Great Recession Left Behind

    1. Tax Credits. Tax credits will almost certainly be part of any program to improve unemployment because businesses need a concrete reason to hire during a difficult economic period. Companies have become used to employing people part-time to keep the costs of benefits and severance low. Any plan to increase the number of full-time workers in the labor force will need to address this “part-time” issue.

    The federal government will need to provide a simple tax credit equal to the first year’s compensation of new workers or workers converted from part-time status. This would give enterprises that would like to expand but are ambivalent about the economy enough of an incentive to do so in many cases.

    2. Funding Reduced Pay. Germany has a government policy that provides tax credits to companies that shorten work hours rather than lay off employees. This gives enterprises that want to increase their number of workers the ability to fund a portion of the cost by cutting the hours of existing workers with the financial aid from Berlin.

    The German government is effectively decreasing unemployment by aiding the private sector when it needs to bring down costs. An enterprise that lowers the average compensation of its workers by 10% through reduced hours can add net new workers indirectly using government aid. Using the same system, a U.S. company with 100 people could add 10 if the federal government offered a stipend to keep the balance of employees’ compensation “whole.”

    3. Saving Small Business. Economists, Fed Chief Bernanke, and organizations like the Small Business Administration have repeatedly made the point that small businesses are and have been the primary engine of job creation in America. Companies with work forces under 500 create nearly half of private non-farm GDP. Large companies have had easy access to capital markets even with the depressed economy. They have been able to take advantage of historically low-interest rates to stockpile capital.

    By contrast, banks have been reluctant to fund small operations that have little or no cash and uncertain prospects and usually a relatively small number of customers. The idea that the federal government should shoulder some of the risk of small business loans has been proposed several times, but no legislation has been passed to support small business bank aid on a wide-scale basis. Without a well-funded small business sector, unemployment is unlikely to improve.

    4. Working for the Government. Many of the FDR economic stimulus programs of the 1930s were failures when viewed through the lens of permanent job replacement. But, giving people work, even it if is not permanent, helps buoy the economy during sharp downturns. The criticism of programs like these is often that they represent a step toward socialism. It is time to allow Americans to intelligently explore what price we are willing to pay to stabilize our volatile economy that has resulted in persistent unemployment without labels that are political and not productive.

    Large initiatives like health-care reform represent a similar challenge, and eventually decisions about capitalism in the U.S. will gather enough force so that programs put in place to help citizens during a historically difficult period may be set aside later. The Works Progress Administration was created in 1935. It added nearly 8 million jobs to the economy by a number of measurements. The first three years of the WPA cost the country $7 billion, which by today’s standards would be several dozen times that. However, the jobs created allowed the government to avoid unemployment support to people who would have been essentially idle and gave them job skills that in many cases were useful when the economy recovered.

    The alternative that the government had during the Depression was to offer the unemployed no support at all. The ranks of the indigent would have swelled well beyond the appalling levels that they achieved in the years before WWII.

    5. Jobs Not Projects. A second stimulus package has been mentioned several times by the White House as the most likely option to reverse the slide in the economy. A stimulus package as large as the first one — nearly $800 billion — would encompass some of the other programs on this 24/7 Wall St. list. What should not be in a new stimulus package is as important as what should be. Not enough of the first stimulus package went to direct job creation and too much went to tax incentives. This slowed the rate at which the money had a significant impact on unemployment.

    The most badly crippled segments of the economy would need to receive money most rapidly. The state and municipal governments, which have been almost completely destroyed by the downturn, require money immediately, if for no other reason than to keep them from firing and furloughing more workers. The budget cuts of states and municipalities have been a tremendous burden on the economy because they have added hundreds of thousands of people to the ranks of the unemployed. The other weakness of the first stimulus is that it was based to some extent in investment in specific sectors like infrastructure expansion. This ended up as an attempt to put large sums of money into industries and sectors of limited size. A new stimulus program would have to be much broader in its goals than the first, which focused too much on modest-sized sectors of the economy.

    6. China. It will be hard for the economy to recover and for the jobs picture to improve if China keeps it currency advantage compared to the U.S. The value of the yuan

    THERE IS NO TRADE DEFICIT – Milton Fiedman 1980s Fortune Mag
    Exports counted at RETAIL $ (HIGH)
    Imports counted at WHOLESALE $ (LOW)
    Most are multinational corporation of USA or set up by M A R S H A L L Plan

    7. Underwriting Exports

    8. The Minimum Wage. The part of the work force that usually has no savings and no visible means of withstanding a long period of unemployment is the lower class, those who live at or below the poverty level. These workers are often paid only the minimum wage and receive no or the most modest benefits.

    The government could choose to reimburse some part of the minimum wage paid to each American who is compensated at this level This would give many workers who are among the lowest paid in the country a chance to keep their jobs. It would allow many modest-sized businesses that pay people the minimum wage an opportunity to avoid layoffs or find capital to bring on new people.

    GEORGE – INCREASE SS Benefits – sometimes inflation is good!

    9. Construction Jobs.

    INFRASTRUCTURE = NEEDED to support NEW BUSINESSES opening
    GREEN ECONOMY = ROI
    – reduce cost to every business + residence = good for environment

    10. Immigration.

  499. 503 jezebel282

    Somehow, I think we got a bit off track here (eyes George and Portia).

    Financial regulation (rules in the casino) are a good start. But I have yet to hear any positive ideas for solutions to 9.6% unemployment and housing prices dropping like giant stones.

    Instead we hear the Republican House Minority Leader calling for a reinstatement of the 2008 budget (Was that a good year?) and, of course, a two year extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Who cares about that deficit anyway? Not Republicans!

    Then you have a bit of claptrap about how companies are waiting to hire until they find out how healthcare reform will work. Here’s the answer: Who cares? You just keep the health insurance you’ve got and pay the same high premiums you always did. Done. Now hire someone.

    Oh? It may be cheaper to just pay the penalty instead of paying premiums? Is that really the question here?

    We need solutions. Not excuses.

  500. 504 portia1776

    George,

    Again, my apologies. Time prohibits a comprehensive response. So I will focus instead on one point from the 24/7 Wall Street article above.

    “Working for the Government. Many of the FDR economic stimulus programs of the 1930s were failures when viewed through the lens of permanent job replacement. But, giving people work, even it if is not permanent, helps buoy the economy during sharp downturns.” – The first part is absolutely true: FDR’s stimuli measures were not only unconstitutional, they were completely ineffective. The second part, however, is categorically false.

    If it were true that “giving people work” — any work — were good, as the Keynesians tell us, than why not have half the country dig ditches and the other half fill them in. This would guarantee full employment! 100% of Americans would have jobs! Of course, as Peter Schiff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRfPpAUtu48 ) and any economist worth her salt will tell you, digging ditches is not all that conducive to economic growth. Similarly, money is lost, not gained, by government “investments” in cash for clunkers and caukers. Its called the “broken window” fallacy and its was debunked by Frédéric Bastiat oh, just about 150 years ago (http://wichitaliberty.org/economics/henry-hazlitt-explains-frederic-bastiat-or-a-broken-window-really-hurts-no-matter-what-the-new-york-times-says/ ). But “Progressives” are so enlightened that they failed to notice, and continue to spread this nonsense. Unfortunately, we, the taxpayers, are being left the hefty bill for their follies.

    Milton Friedman is said to have been shown a massive public works project, the pride of this Asian country’s government. The government officials overseeing the project boasted that it created thousands of jobs and was good for their economy. His response was in the form of a question: why are the workers using shovels instead of spoons? Friedman’s hosts were perplexed. Spoons? Why would he say such a ridiculous thing? Then Friedman explained that if the goal was to create jobs, it makes more economic sense to use spoons, as then the project will require many more workers and will require much more time to be completed.

  501. 505 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “than why not have half the country dig ditches and the other half fill them in. ”

    Perhaps…but having matriculated through WPA built schools and having driven over innumerable WPA built roads and bridges I would go so far as to say that we all received value from those projects for a very very long time.

    The solution doesn’t seem to be greed for all and screw those who can’t seem to be greedy enough.

  502. 506 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Financial regulation (rules in the casino) are a good start.” – We had rules in the casino before Senators Dodd and Franks decided, contrary to all evidence, that they and the government have more collective knowledge than millions of consumers operating in the free market. The assertion that the wise central planners can beat the “invincible hand” in delivering more efficiency, productivity, employment, and preventing volatility has been tried and tried and tried with lackluster results at best and outright failures at worst.

    To take a fun example: the Soviet Union banned the Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V0wR8VJsyY ), darkly alleging that money, capitalist Jews, hysteria, and even KKK rioting resulted from listening to their music. Did the Soviet propaganda and prohibition mean that no kids in the USSR ever listened to the Beatles? Of course not. Under penalty of arrest and torture, an underground market in Beatles recordings (ingeniously etched into X-ray photos — I’m not kidding!) developed. The BBC even made a documentary, albeit one that overstates the legitimate role the Beatles played in bringing down Russian and Eastern European Communism.

    But getting back to the topic: There were rules and ways of enforcing them. They were not perfect — almost nothing ever is — but nevertheless worked pretty well for about 200 years before we were “blessed” with the likes of Presidents Bush and Obama, Speaker Pelosi, Minority Leaders Boehner and McConnell, Majority leader Reid, Paulson, Geitner, Roehmer, et al.

    We had courts, Jez, of the criminal and civil varieties that upheld the rule of law. Madoff, you’ll recall, is in jail. Gimbels went bankrupt and life went on, including for its former employees. Admittedly, it is hard to imagine what some of these Wall Streeters, politicians, and bureaucrats are qualified to do besides destory our economy and rob our freedom. But even they would find work doing something if rightly fired.

    More recently, President Bush added tens of thousands of financial services regulators to propound and enforce millions of rules, and signed into law a massive new regulatory bill called Sarbanes-Oxley.

    Now what have Senators Dodd and Franks given us? “[F]ar from protecting the little guy and sticking it to the fat cats, this bill keeps good, old-fashioned political patronage alive and well (http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11719 ).”

    In other words: Fin reg was just another government takeover of the economy to advance the twin desires of “Progressive” politicians: power and money.

    “But I have yet to hear any positive ideas for solutions to 9.6% unemployment and housing prices dropping like giant stones.” – Jez, any fair reading of my posts shows that I have offered dozens of tried and true policies that, if implemented, would make a real economic recovery (i.e., one we could measure and that was increasing) possible — as well as the principles that define what “solutions” are and are not.

    But it is your choice to ignore all that, and criticize stupid things that Republicans say. I would just remind you that the Republicans uttering such innanities have zero impact on policy making, while the inanities of this administration and Congress keep becoming law, and thus creating the endless crisis needed to shred what remains of the Constitution.

    But don’t take my word for it. You said it best yourself:”9.6% unemployment and housing prices dropping like giant stones.” In other words, this is not the promised “Summer of Recovery” that all the power and money taken from us was supposed to deliver. Trust us, President Obama said. Well, Labor Day this year, should have been called (as a Reason writer dubbed it) “Not Enough Labor Day.”

    Oh, sure, our great and glorious leader knows this. Hence, the new “jobs bill” even though hundreds of billions of dollars from the initial stimuli measures remain unspent and those initial stimuli measures have failed to create a single net job. Perhaps as he said today about Middle East peace: “Progress will not come easy, it will not come quick”… and most probably won’t come at all.

    “You just keep the health insurance you’ve got and pay the same high premiums you always did. Done. Now hire someone.” – When you pass a massive bill that no one has read and which can only be implemented by createing thousands of additional rules, which in turn must be decoded by ever more nuermous bureaucrats and lawyers, don’t be surprised if there is uncertainty in the job market.

    As for “keeping your health insurance,” don’t count on it. Law professor and former Obama colleague Richard Epstein calls that promise a “giant sham”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-6ppmuBmkQ

    “We need solutions. Not excuses.” – Francis Bacon long ago wrote that “We cannot command Nature except by obeying her.” “Nature,” in this case, are the principles of economics. If President Obama refuses to obey Nature and keeps applying leeches (stimuli, new entitlements, more bureaucrats, increasing centralization of the economy), the hemophiliac patient that is our economy is not going to get better. Quite the opposite is more likely, actually.

  503. 507 portia1776