The Dark Side II

05Feb11

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Due to many requests, we are providing yet another forum for the variety of conspiracy theories in and about Stratford for our readers’ pleasure. The same rules apply as before. In order to keep the data loading quickly please refrain from posting YouTube videos (links will suffice, do not embed the video) and keep the cutting and pasting from Wikipedia and other sources to a minimum. Original material (stuff you type) always has priority. Unfortunately, posts with multiple links will probably be caught in the spam filter.

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311 Responses to “The Dark Side II”

  1. 1 1george1

    I BELIEVE this is posible in political circumstances
    > In DTC + RTC among others, do people work together within them
    and / or each other?

    > Do Local police work with local government, attorneys, and political
    committee; who work with State Judges, prosecutors, defenders,
    police, government and political committees; who work with Federal
    Judges, Justice/FBI, government, and political committees?

    > Do CT. Senators and Congress nominate people for Federal Judges,
    U. S. Attorneys, and other positions which Presidents nominate
    and Senate/Congress RATifies or rejects?

    > Do politically appointed Department heads control promotions,
    hires, and personnel?

    > Are most CT. Federal Judges, U. S. Attorneys, FBI, and others drawn
    from local and state police, prosecutors, judges and lawyers?

    > Are most CT. STATE Judges, CT. Attorneys (prosecutors/defenders),
    STATE POLICE, and others drawn from local and state police, judges,
    and lawyers?

    > Are most Statford nominated and elected government officials, Town
    Attorneys (assistents/specialists/contractors), LOCAL POLICE, Town
    managers and workers, Board of Ed managers and workers, BIDDERS /
    AWARDED subcontractors drawn from local and state political parties
    Town Committees’ families and allies?

    Does one consider the Constitutionally delegated multilateral hierachy
    and divisions of powers, checks, and balances to be conspiracy by the
    people who use or abuse aforesaid positions, OR proper subordination
    of appropriate roles?


    Honest political differences of opinions can exist in good faith.
    One person’s use of discretion can be another person’s abuse
    of discretion and position of “TRUST or PROFIT?”


    However, WHAT IF?


    WHAT IF the unthinkable, impossible, and unbelieveable is part of
    the “invisible government” analoguos to the concept within the 1942
    swashbuckler “The Black Swan?”


    Imagine a nation run by PIRATES, PRIVATEERS, BUCCANEERS, RAIDERS,
    LOOTERS, DESPOILERS, FREEBOOTERS, PILLAGERS, and reifiers of the
    BOOK of JOB, to all people initially not “accepted” into the inner
    party, and eventually, those NOT longer needed, to also be betrayed?


    WHAT IF massive CASH COWS were mercilessly implemented to BUY
    OFF all of the KEY National, State, and Local political, government,
    and private sector personnel, who die off over time or be betrayed?


    WHAT CASH COWS are SO MASSIVE that they could BUY OFF all POLICE,
    JUDGES, ATTORNEYS, CORP PEOPLE, MILITARY LEADERS?

    PROHIBITION – Beer + Alcohol from Canada using Mafia bootleggers
    + Southern KKK moonshine

    1926 General Billy Mitchell predicted Pearl Harbor with blueprint
    for what became 1941 Pearl Harbor attack?
    – Was it entrappment, disregarding Military/Civilian lives lost in WARS?

    9/11/1960 O.P.E.C. created
    1/17/1961 Eisenhowen warned internal usurpation:
    * Military Industrial (Political-Finacial) Complex > “UNWARRANTED” influence
    * Scinetific Technologic elite > CONTROL PUBLIC OPINION
    – Was it entrappment, disregarding Military/Civilian lives lost in usurpation?

    – I BELIEVE:
    1960s-1980s Pot to Cocaine – unrevised KNAPP COMMISSION findings
    100 % GOLD SHIELDS + JUDGES on Mafia Payroll
    1960s Mafia control broken + POLITICS took over CASH COWS
    > LOTTO / LOTTERY = NUMBERS RACQUET
    > LOBBY + PAC + Political Donations = BRIBERY
    > BIDDING + AWARDS + CHANGE ORDERS = BRIBERY
    > ATTORNEY FEES = BRIBERY
    > DEFINED “BENEFIT” pension = BRIBERY
    > HEALTH CARE sabotaged = BRIBERY
    > Political controlled hiring / promotions = BRIBERY
    > CASINO GAMBLING (Gample/GamBle) = GAMBLING
    > SIMULCAST + JAI ALAI + DOG + HORSE = BOOKMAKING
    > Liquor Commission Licensed STRIP BARS = PROSTITUTION
    > Zoning Massage Parlors = PROSTITUTION
    > BAR Association + Democrats + Republicans = Intellectual PROSTITUTION
    > INSURANCE = PROTECTION RACQUET
    > ASSAULT + BATTERY = Sanctioned SPORTS
    > IRS + CT REV SERVICE = Coercion, Extortion, Racketeering
    > RANKING POLICE + RANK MILITARY = Treason / Praetorians
    > POLICE + MAFIA / GANGS = Organized ENFORCERS
    > ATF + E (fate) Licensed = Legal Bootlegging/Weapon Traffic/Addictive
    > DEA (th) CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES = Drug Traffic
    > WEAPONS / MUNNITION TRADING = Sedition + Accssories to MURDER
    > REGULATORY lapses = INSIDER TRADING ACCESSORIES + MISPRISON
    > Standard Oil + O.P.E.C = MONOPOLY

    1960 -> 1987 Just OIL traded could have bought all the
    1987 DJIA 500 Stocks. Both were between $ 9 and $ 10 Trillion.
    50,000,000 barrels a day x $ 20 barrel = $ 1 billion a day x 365 days
    x 27 years

    Rockefeller / Bush / Schultz / Military’s US Standard Oil spin offs
    control most Natural Gas + Coal, domestically and foreign,
    with far higher unit sales of each controlled by robber barons and
    military intelligence and political / corporate insiders. Point?
    Coal + Gas dwarf Oil profits, which are virtually vertically controlled,
    combine with OIL can BUY UP everyone’s homes and businesses.

    1999 -> 2010 Just OIL traded could have bought all the 2000-2010
    NASDAQ, DJIA, and WORLD Stocks. Also majority shares of depressed
    FANNY MAE + FREDDY MAC.
    90,000,000 barrels a day x $ 80 barrel = $ 7.2 billion a day x 365.25 days
    = $ 2.63 Trillion x 12 years = $ 31.56 Trillion and climbing


    With PENSION and HEALTH CARE COST coming under microscopes by
    (change of the guard) State legislators who OWE NOTHING to people
    RETIRED with PENSIONS and HEALTH CARE which any reasonable person
    is likely to conclude was POLITICAL BRIBERY for looking the OTHER WAY
    during late 1960s to PRESENT on DRUG TRAFFIC and other political boss
    CASH COWS, and also helped create an UNSTABLE ECONOMY, which
    also MAY HAVE ALLOWED ENEMIES of AMERICAN PEOPLE to take OVER
    the U. S. Government.


    I hope all of the people the last 2 decades involved in stratford politics
    read this blog and ask themselves if they were WITTINGLY paticipators
    in TREASON and MURDER or were they UNWITTINGLY manipulated into
    committing TREASON and MURDER, if I am correct?

    GOOGLE:
    Red Skelton: “Pledge of Alligance”
    Charlie Reese: “545 People”

    Wikipedia synopsis:
    SUN TSU: “Art of War’
    Machiavelli’s “The Prince”
    Clauswitz: “On War”
    Plato: “Republic”
    Rousseau: “Social Contract”
    (Voltaire, Locke, Hume, Montesque)
    Payne: “Common Sense,” “Rights of Man”
    (Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, G Mason, Jay)
    Doctors of the Church
    (Christ, MLK Jr. G hand I )


    I may or may not be correct?

    I have no children and limited relatives.
    I make no money trying to protect those who harm(ed) me. ….

    Jeze, thank you for the opportunity to be able to seek converts
    to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States from
    enemies foreign or domestic.

    or

    As ex-Chairman of Joint Chief of Staff William Crowe was quoted in
    December 1988 TIME MAGAZINE quoting POGO:

    “We have met the ENEMY ….
    and he is U.S.”

  2. 2 jezebel282

    George,

    “I noticed PHIN did not reply to my challenge about the special
    Town Council meeting to raise attorney fees from $ 60 to $ 125”

    The hemorrhaging of taxpayer money does not come from the $125/hour paid to the Town Attorney. It comes from farming most of the legal work out to the Town Attorney’s law firm and previous law firms at much higher rates. We now have Berchem Moses & Devlin as well as Bishop Kelly & Jackson that hold licenses to bill.

    Remember, the current budget calls for a whopping $1+ million per year in legal fees. Is that worth maybe, oh, I dunno…a school?

  3. 3 1george1

    Jeze,

    If you wander into the Library, you can ask for the 1988-1989
    approved Town Budget.
    It takes them about 20 minutes to find them, so you might call ahead?

    Every Budget has at least 1 and some time 3 past years of actual
    Budget numbers in summaries, which were audited – thus final.

    1986 – 1987 audited Budget
    PENSION $ 1 MILLION total – This meant all obligations were PAID!

    TOWN ATTORNEY LEGAL FEES – $ 120,000 total
    Rich Burturla became Town Council Chairman 1987-1989.
    Joe Burturla retired 1985
    1995 Town council implemented Defined Benefit 1996
    1996 Rich Burturla started as Town Attorney or assistant, when BMD
    started billing.

    JEZE is there a DIRECT RELATIONSHIP between POLICE UNION DEFINED
    BENEFIT pension, Town Attorney Fees, other Town costs and 1998
    actions of AVCO SAEP preferred vender award to Team Stratford and
    the $ 95,000,000 (million) Pension Bond, which allowed for changed
    computations.
    1998 total pension obligation was $ 5.8 million
    2009 total pension obligation was $ 17.4 million
    UP 300 %

    How much had the Town Attorney fees escalated
    1986 $ 120,000 to
    1996 – 1999 average $ 240,000 to
    2005 – 2009 average with Rich Burturla as Miron’s Town Attorney.

    Dick Miron + family dragged through the mud.
    What of Rich + John B?

    —-

    1986 Benefits $ 5.4 million

    ——

    TOTAL MONEY towards SEWER INTEREST = $ 45,000

    How much do you pay on Sewer Tax and why?

    Oversized Water Pollution Plant with over 300 % capacity for AVCO + AIRPORT

    Who appears to be positioning themselves to benefit from
    AVCO
    AIRPORT

    ——–

    JEZE + PCS do you enjoy paying 40 % more in town taxes than you should
    while property values go down, education falters, town image sullied, and
    certain people …… back up the get away tractor trailer of loot?

    JEZE – Where are the POLICE + UNION for the past 25 years?
    Bought off?

  4. 4 1george1

    Jeze,

    John Burturla as Police Chief does not get O. T. in his computation
    for Defined Benefit.
    Proposed Police Union contract parsing:

    > O. T. included prior to 1996 hires.
    McNeil is 17 year veteran – about time Harkins RTC BUND involvement
    (Rich Burturla first year as $ 100 k plus from Town for Attorney? 1996!) 😦

    > O. T. excluded 1996 to July 2010 hires
    STILL DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN
    Can’t John Burturla retire in DEFINED BENEFIT at 70 % of BASE after
    5 years VESTED and move back to finish his ventment YEARS in New
    Haven as Police Chief, needing only 3 years for VESTMENT and those
    would correspond with his highest PAY / RETIRMENT?

    HYPOTHETICALLY- JEZE what if MCNEIL and DAN ROSS were PLAYING
    your for a FOOL, along with the MIRONS + BURTURLAS?

  5. 5 1george1

    Subject: THE LAWYER…
    A madam opened the door of a brothel in Chicago and saw
    a rather dignified, well-dressed, good-looking man in his late
    forties or early fifties. (A younger version of PHIN? 🙂 )

    “May I help you sir?” she asked.

    The man replied, “Yes, I came to see Valerie.”

    “Sir, Valerie is one of our most expensive ladies.
    Perhaps you would prefer someone else”, said the madam.

    He replied, “No, I must see Valerie.”

    When Valerie appeared she announced to the man
    that she charged $5,000 a visit.

    Without hesitation, the man pulled out five thousand dollars,
    gave it to Valerie, and they went upstairs.

    After an hour, the man calmly left.

    The next night, the man appeared again, once more
    demanding to see Valerie.

    Valerie explained that no one had ever come back
    two nights in a row as she was too expensive.
    “There are no discounts. The price is still $5,000.”

    Again, the man pulled out the money, gave it to Valerie,
    and they went upstairs.

    After an hour, he left.

    The following night the man was there yet again.
    Everyone was astounded that he had come for a
    third consecutive night, but he paid Valerie
    the $5000 and they went upstairs.

    After their session, Valerie said to the man,
    “No one has ever been with me three nights in a row.
    Where are you from?”

    The man replied, ” Buffalo ..”

    “Really,” she said. “I have family in Buffalo.”

    “I know.” the man said. “Your sister died, and I am her attorney.
    She asked me to give you your $15,000.00 inheritance.”

    The moral of the story is that three things in life are certain:
    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. Being screwed by a lawyer!

  6. 6 jezebel282

    George,

    “HYPOTHETICALLY- JEZE what if MCNEIL and DAN ROSS were PLAYING
    your for a FOOL, along with the MIRONS + BURTURLAS?”

    Hypothetically, George, it seems like an awfully long way to go just to fool a blog editor.

  7. 7 1george1

    Jeze, a con man or group of conmen intent at scamming an entire
    community would need to have cover stories, wouldn’t they?

    Wouldn’t those cover stories somehow try to enlist sympathy of the
    people being conned, whereas they pretend to be acting to benefit
    “the MARKS” and appearing to be heroic or striving to benefit the
    others supposedly at their expense while trying to BILK money from
    the MARKS?

    Wouldn’t it benefit them if they could entrap others in government
    who could cause them problems, and try to build a whole network
    and matrix of schemers, who would also need something in it for them?

    FOLLOW THE MONEY?

    WHERE HAVE THE ABSOLUTE BIGGEST BUCKS GONE
    – Internationally
    – Nationally
    – Regionally
    – State wide
    – area about size of a COUNTY
    – TOWN
    – BoE
    – Business

    Like all PONZI schemes, first in get the most (see NY METS-MADOFF)
    and even die off rich and happy.

    Middle beneficiaries claim they were entrapped

    Last in claim they were robbed

    Tax Payers are like public people paying ALL of the MADOFF INVESTORS
    from Public money.

    I did not write it was all about JUST YOU !!!

    Yet if one of the pair of the shoes fit…..?

  8. 8 jezebel282

    George,

    There is no doubt about the corruption, incompetence and lack of accountability in Town, but geeze!

    “Wouldn’t it benefit them if they could entrap others in government
    who could cause them problems, and try to build a whole network
    and matrix of schemers, who would also need something in it for them?”

    How can you live thinking like that?

    Personally, I take heart in those few in Town that try to do the right thing. For example, the Stratford EMS volunteers, who despite the conditions imposed by EMS Administrator Donna Best, continue to serve (for free) the citizens of Stratford. Then there are volunteers like Sudds who gives his time freely to Sterling House. You simply can’t ask more of citizens than that.

  9. 9 1george1

    Jeze,

    FOLLOW THE MONEY.

    I NO LONGER believe many in the POLICE + FIRE + PW would NOT MURDER,
    CONDONE MURDER, and ACCEPT TREASON.

    Same with TOWN ATTORNEYS, MAYORS, TOWN MANAGERS, Dept heads.

    Some are BEEF EATERS, some GRASS EATERS (sheep / cows / scapegoats)

    Q. When was the greatest incidence of DRUG TRAFFIC INCREASE in US?
    A. 1968 – 1995

    Who are covered by PENSIONS?

    FOLLOW the MONEY

    Who was biggest town TAX PAYER?

    U. S. ARMY control AVCO + SIKORSKY + others.
    Control many livelihoods.

    Stratford has many, many mercinaries within it, in case you were paying
    attention, who would murder for DRUGS or HIRE for a JOB.

    In case you were paying attention, I have tried to get POLICE UNION
    and CHIEF + FBI + STATE POLICE to investigate MURDERS.

    They would rather protect their jobs, patrons, O.T., benefits, + pensions.

    YODA’S FORCE is the DARK SIDE, unfortunately, they have to choose the
    rock or the hard place.

    As much as I love my country, it never was and never will be anything
    except a criminal enterprise, just like Hitler wrote (behind the mask of
    Federalism?).

    When I was a child, they changed how children were to be address on
    Letters – Male children were no longer to be addresses as MASTER

    As in the MASTER RACE.

    The beauty of the United States is that it is an AMORPHOUS POLYGLOT
    CULTURE with UNIVERSAL INFLUENCES supposedly GESELLSCHAFT rather
    than GEMEINSCHAFT and MERITOCRACY rather then HIERARCHIAL.

    Conversely Russia, like Britain, and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, even Judaism
    maintain cultural, ethnic, linguistic, and other barriers.

    The United States is the ultimate criminal enterprise, with constraint among
    peer groups analogous to:
    Royal Courts, like Saint James;
    Fagin and his pick pockets;
    Mafia and Omerta (anagram “at rome)
    Police and Courts – Blue Walls
    Some peoples’ view of goyim
    Some antisemitism
    Racial

    Same GAMES different NAMES
    US against them or him or her.

    They are the
    COLUSSEUM COMPLEX
    PROserpine COMPLEX
    PASSOVER COMPLEX
    DIVINE RIGHT COMPLEX
    MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

    It s the dark side or schadenfreude of humanity

  10. 10 1george1

    There are people I admire in every group.
    There are people I believe unworthy of admiration in every group.
    Then there is the unkown variables within the majorities of every …

  11. 11 jezebel282

    From George:

    > I do not care about the Mason design of the Pillars.
    > I do not care that Dick Miron was able to profit from selling the
    granite, and even more for the bricks.
    > I do want to both compliment Tony + Dan, who built the MEMORIAL,
    and differentiate the objections about GRAND THEFT PENSIONS + OT.
    – CONVERSELY > It is appropriate to mention to be informative.

    Ally-you and I are on the same page.
    You get what is going on as does PCS.
    The bednobs and broomsticks firm has a habit of using less than
    reliable information and out dated documentation, they have a
    strangle hold on many many many state and municipal contracts.
    Having had to have dealt with their finished products-personally
    I am not impressed and feel that is a low tier firm on the level of
    Bercham and Moses with regard to stuffing their profit margins
    with taxpayer cash in the form of change orders.
    You need to be on top of every nuance with them if you want a
    passable product.
    Just my opinion, but it is based on my experience.

    PHIN > Too bad the above is just in the blog and not in the CT. POST
    and STRATFORD STAR.
    See the Berchem Website and note how many BOE they have and add
    Towns, Housing, Parking, INSURANCE, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT and
    FINANCE among more.

    Past/present Town Councilors
    Harkins = Appraiser
    Gavin = Coastal Insurance / exotic insurance
    Malloy = Finance – Risk assessment
    Tom Moore / Tony Schirillo / J. Burturla = CT. State Trooper
    Naples, Williams = Public Defenders LAWYERS
    Joe Harry (ex Stfd PD), + EX Ethics Commissioner = State Prosecutors
    Miron, Burturla, Florek, Kelly, Bishop, T-berry, Foreman, Blando,
    Ahlberg, Tom Cotter, Jen Hilgen, Kent Miller, Kubik, = LAWYERS
    Norm, Darth, Zalik = Accounting
    Crudo, Rainone, Stroomer, & ?? = Sikorsky
    Julian, Camillo, Alvin, Dempsey, Barnaby, HENRICK = Construction
    Philips, Bob David = Communications
    Wannagot, Cotter = ex=State Employees
    Feehan = STAMFORD Fireman + owner Fire Truck company
    Fredette = Towing
    Ray Voccola = son + nephew phased out from Stratford Police
    where Miron / Burturla’s police escalated PENSIONS
    Tom Moore = Brother in law = Imbro
    Cabrol = wife Council clerk
    Santi, Fuller, = Miron surrogate
    Wanamaker, Potter = ?
    Paul Hoydick = Rudy Weisse
    Laura Hodick = rented to Norm, Miron, & Miller

    NUMB3RS: Intution is educated guess based on familiarity with
    situation, before one can flush details

    HYPOTHETICALLY, what if there was a political take over after 1987?:
    Fennel + Dean + Youngquist = phased out from REGISTRAR so
    MIRON + DECILIO could CONTROL REGISTRAR Office?
    CONTROL ELECTION COUNT!

    JOHN BURTURLA CONTROL POLICE with Imbro, working with Moore?

    RICH BURTURLA CONTROL LAW + CHARTER revision + ETHICS revision

    DICK + NORM CONTROL NOMINATIONS for ELECTION

    LIEBERMAN relationships with
    BLUMENTHAL who worked with succeeded LIEBERMAN
    KELLY who worked for Blumy
    JOHN BURTURLA head CT. Home Land Security under LIEBERMAN
    BUSH – Father’s 1st job was selling Ashcroft for Dresser
    CHENEY – as HALLIBURTON C.E.O. in 2000, company owned Dresser
    HOME LAND SECURITY > Military + FBI + STATE POLICE + Local Police
    DODD both CT Senators
    DeLAURO was DODD’S Chief of staff
    WEICKER – replaced by LIEBERMAN – Then work with as GOVERNOR
    ROWLAND / RELL – As governors
    > Rowland got elected, then set up – RELL’S people took over the
    political party
    > Ganim got elected, then set up – Political party taken over
    > When GE moved to Fairfield, there was a takeover politically
    > Robert Testo / Bridgeport – moved out > Mario Testa moved in
    > Berchem, alleged regular in Testa’s Bridgeport room

    US ATTORNEYS > Twardy, Droney, Dooley, O’Connor (#3 Bush),
    Daugherty, Fien, D = all nominated by senators > picked by the
    President, and ratified by Senate / Congress, who trade inside info

    STATE PROSECUTORS, who let Dick Miron walk.

    > FBI allowed FABRIZI to WIGGLE outta cocaine rap.
    – Barry Knott, golfed weekly with FABRIZI
    – Son-in-law Mike feeney, ex assistant/Town Manager who rented Voccola house.

    > Former Stfd Police Don Comers = ex-Bridgeport FBI head
    – Father retired as Fairfield Police Captain.
    – Fairfield politicos harrassed / escentially murdered Thomas Mulligan (my dad)
    – Fairfield politicos harrassed me (geo mulligan) in southport USPS.
    > USPO was Presidential Cabinet level position, delivering to every home, business, gov.
    > EISENHOWER Military industrial complex UNWARRANTED influence to every home, business, gov.
    > Postmasters/assistants flip flop depending if Democrat or Republican elected locally and had to kick
    back a percent of pay to the political party
    – Fairfield politicos hired Mark Barnhart to head economic development, who admitted he knew nothing
    about economic development. Barnhart perjured himself in my civil trial against (deceased) Stratford
    police chief Mossman, who I sued for false arrest + John Williams rep Joe Merly, was so good I had
    to try to go PRO SE. Joe Merly is nephew of 1986-1989 bridgeport city attorney Larry Merly, who was
    in position when Esq. Rich Burturla was 1987-1989 Town Council Chairman & Larry graduated Fairfield
    Iniversity one year ahead of Robert Berchem.

    > FBI allowing Shelton’s Mayor LAURETTI a free pass

    > FBI interview Jim Miron late AUGUST 2009 – let Jim Miron free pass

    > FBI nailed SCINTO – Great Builder and Mason
    – SCINTO has 750,000 sq feet empty at $ 16 – $ 18 sq ft = Being squeezed financially
    – FBI HQ is ex-SCINTO Building, where the ALGONQIN (Tammany) CLUB was located.
    – Strong possibility FBI moved into OFFICES which were BUGGED.
    – 1980s Bridgeport FBI laughed at me and talked about PILEGGI & mob, when I begged for help from harrassment of my southport USPS coworkers & I.
    – FBI is 100 % responsible for ALL DRUG traffic in the US, since COLUMBIA is under their jurisdiction.
    – Same way CIA + DOD are responsible for world WEAPONS TRAFFIC

  12. 12 1george1

    Jeze –
    This is my way of confirming that you read the post. 😉

    Actually, the more you read, the more ticked you should be
    about our own little sin-dicate?

  13. 13 1george1

    Please GOOGLE for the effects on you:

    >”SONY executive conference video:” About education:

    geopolitical technology, and demographics; Americans’

    career education!

    >”Norman Borlaug.” (Saved billions of lives)

    >”Charley Reese: 545 People:”

    (President/V.P., Congress, and Judicial.) Compare:

    Eisenhower’s Military Industrial Complex (unwarranted)

    and Scientific Technological Elite (control public opinion)!

    > Movie: “Who killed the electric car?”

    1996 GM EV-1 (Volt) 100 miles per charge – 2 door

    coup could also reach 100 mph.

    2000 Battery for EV-1 > 200 miles per charge – 2 door

    coup could also reach 100 mph.

    >“Robber Barons, Standard Oil Trust:” “Rockefellers,

    Harriman, George Pratt Schultz’s Grandfather, and

    Prescott Bush!” Skyrocketing prices: Gasoline, Diesel,

    Heating, and (War) Voodoo-Economics!

    Humanitarians? Insider traders? Economy saboteurs-diverters?

    ROCKEFELLERS:

    > Controlled 90 % domestic OIL refining 1880 – went international.

    > Set up Texas RR Commission – which set domestic oil prices

    > Gave the land the UN was built on.

    > Prescott Bush partner to sons of J D ROCKEFELLER – ED

    HARRIMAN, in Brown Brothers, Harriman 1950s

    – W Averill (D-NY Governor)

    – Prescott (R-CT Senator – appointed)

    – Nelson R (R-NY Governor > unelected VP) (Uncle Percy R – Director BBH)

    > (LIKELY) With Military Intelligence, set up O.P.E.C. 9/11/61.

    > (Ted Kennedy > mary jo kOPEChne + russian coin kOPECk)

    > Created Rockefeller Drug LAWS > led to overcrowd JAILS

    > Unelected Vice President (Nelson) to unelected Pres (Ford)

    > (David – Chase Bank) chaired Trilateral Commission

    > Prescott son – GHW Bush > Pres + VP + CIA + China Ambassador

    > Prescott Jr – US Chamber Commerce chair to China

    > Prescott grandson – W Bush

    > J D ROCKEFELLER great grandson JAY (D-WV) Head Senate Intelligence

    > George Pratt Schultz – gandson of JDR Standard Oil Trust Treasurer.

    > Pratt partners to Whitney of Pratt & Whitney defense contractor

    > Original Mets owner Joan Whitney Payson partner to the Walkers the “W”

    in GHW Bush name. Their lawyer? Tammany Hall’s WILLIAM SHEA.

  14. 14 1george1

    VW Commercial: The Force – Mini Darth
    = much cuter than local version

  15. 15 1george1

    I am not a Steven Seagal fan. Tonight I saw the end of a movie
    “ON DEADLY GROUND.” 1994

    It nailed the problems within the avarice / viscious money driven
    business political relationships.

    PHIN hit the nail on the head, when he pointed out many times
    people simply do not know ramifications of some decisions, which
    can be perverted by changes of what they believed was INTENT.

    I believe people taking orders from within the system had NO IDEA
    of where the DAMAGE could L E A D.

  16. 16 1george1

    1) How many total people have DEFINED
    BENEFIT with O.T. computations?

    2) What is the ACTUARIAL PROJECTED cost
    of the creation in 1995-1996 of the Town
    Defined Benefit Pension?

    > so far – Avout 615 people collect $ 19 million annually x 30 years=$ 570 million

    > add 39 police + chief likely to retire
    @ $80,000 annually for lokely 30 years =

    40 x $ 80,000 = $ 3,200,000 x 30 years =
    $ 96,000,000

    > add 110 Fire x $ 80,000 = $8,800,000 x
    30 years = $ 264,000,000

    > add estimated 60 Town Hall / BoE @
    $ 60,000 = $ 3,600,000 x 30 years =
    $ 108,000,000

    ESTIMATED JUST OVER $ 1 BILLION to mimimum 835 people??

    ============ significance to SCHOOLS ? ===========

    PRIORITY of SPENDING is curtailed when 1/3rd of your Budget is going to:
    1) HEALTHCARE of BoE + Town
    2) Extravagant Pensions
    3) Extravagant Benefits
    4) Interest on Debt

    PRIORITY of SPENDING is curtailed when 40 % of extra revenue is missing:
    1) UNFUNDED ECS
    2) UNFUNDED other BoE mandates
    3) UNFUNDED Town mandates
    4) Unique (not BEST) PRACTICES: BIDS, AWARDS, FEES, CONSUTLING, BUYING
    5) Economic EXODUS instead of development
    6) Retarded remediation
    7) Excessive MIL RATE discourgaging NEW BUSINESS.

    It is amazing that intelligent people focused on having the BEST EDUCATION
    for the CHILDREN do NOT focus on the AMBIENT COSTS of LOST REVENUES
    and EXCESSIVE COSTS?

  17. 17 1george1

    Norm Aldrich @ BoE meeting, facially looked a lot like Dick Cheney.
    He said hi.
    I told him he looked a lot like Dick Cheney.
    He told me he felt a lot like Dick Cheney.

    I do not know if that is good or bad?
    Dick Cheney supposedly had heart operations and then there are
    other comments ….

  18. 18 1george1

    Today is 2 / 17.

    I have reason to be concerned for a friend.

    G2
    1717
    pretenders

  19. 19 1george1

    Bunny knew, but didn’t understand
    Published 05:46 p.m., Saturday, September 18, 2010

    Watching local arrest reports reminded me this week that there
    are two kinds of cops: those who know the law and those who
    understand the law. The first kind make their own jobs more
    difficult because it is so hard to respect them.

    First let me say, I believe being a good cop is the hardest job in
    the world. Being a lousy cop can be even harder.

    It could be a lot easier if all police understood the difference
    between Officer Bunny and Helium-butt Chester.

    This all happened the summer after I came home from three
    years in a war zone. I was 23 and having a hard time readjusting.
    The omnipresent adrenalin rush of war had been replaced by
    summer days as quiet and slow-moving as a sigh, and it left a hole
    in my universe.

    A handful of us were playing Whiffle-ball on the church lawn.
    This was the most innocuous thing I had done since I got home.
    Someone took umbrage with our language and the police were called.

    Enter Officer Bunny. He threw the moving cruiser into park and
    before it stopped rocking he was out. He deftly screwed his
    Smokey-the-Bear hat onto his head, popped his Foster Grants onto
    his nose and was standing right behind me as the pitch came.

    I swung anyway.

    “That’s enough,” he shouted after he ducked.

    He popped back up and faced me.
    “You’re causing a problem here,” he said.

    I thought for a few seconds and said,
    “Get out of the way Bunny, we’re trying to play some ball.”

    “Get off the lawn.”

    Not wanting me to get into any trouble Dee-Joe-Mammal
    wouldn’t pitch the ball.

    Some of the others left the lawn and retired to their cars.
    I started to follow them, but when I got to my 67 VW I stopped.
    Bunny almost stepped on my heel.

    “Out of town,” he said.

    “Wait a minute. We weren’t breaking any laws. I live here.
    You get out of town.”

    OK, it was a stupid thing to say, but at that particular
    moment the world seemed pretty stupid.

    “You’re under arrest.”

    “For what?”

    “You have the right to remain silent.”

    Well as comedian Ron White says,
    “I had the right to remain silent, I just didn’t have the ability.”

    “You idiot.”

    “You have the right to an attorney.”

    “You obviously have the right to be a fool.”

    “Get in the cruiser.”

    “No.”

    Then it happened. Officer Bunny took a few steps back and
    pulled out his revolver. He cocked it and aimed it at my chest.
    After surviving three years in a war, I was not going to be shot
    in a Whiffle-ball game on the church lawn.

    “You’re insane,” I said, but went with him to the cruiser.

    I sat in the back while he went to pick up helium-butt Chester,
    who was the chief of police in our small town. We called him
    that because his butt looked as if it were going to fly off when
    he walked, but we respected the chief because he understood
    what he was doing.

    As Chet entered the car he looked at me, “Hi John,” he said,
    “Welcome home.”

    “Where are we going, Bunny?” he asked as he closed the door.

    “Milford. He’s going to jail for the night, then court in the morning.”
    He smiled into the mirror looking like Sylvester
    with a mouth full of Tweety.

    “What was he arrested for?” Chet asked.

    “Resisting arrest.”

    “What arrest did he resist, Bunny.”

    “They were making noise, trespassing.”

    “We were playing Whiffle-ball on the church lawn.”

    “You shut up back there,” Bunny spit.

    “OK, Bunny, pull over. Let’s talk,” Chet soothed.

    The chief explained the reality of how court would pan out
    with him arresting a veteran for playing a ball game with his
    friends in the center of his hometown a few weeks after
    leaving a combat zone. “And he pulled a gun on me, Chet.”

    “Shut up, John.” This time it was Chet. See, he knew I could
    actually be in trouble. I was in fact disturbing someone’s peace,
    trespassing and resisting arrest, but
    what I was doing was not what the law was written to prevent.

    Chet understood that. Bunny didn’t. They dropped me off back in town.

    Some cops make their jobs harder by only knowing the law.

    They get a lot more respect if they actually understand it.

    GEORGE > There are decent guys on POLICE & FIRE among others.
    there are also guys like Bunny + far worse.
    Many LOCALS have very, very, very limited horizons and life experiences
    thinking things will happen certain ways,
    They do not take into account the situation happening nation wide and
    that the STUPIDITY + GREED of PEOPLE running local parties have Tax
    Payers and businesses paying almost twice what they should pay in Taxes.
    > It is approaching critical mass!

    John Hourihan is a columnist with the Connecticut Post.
    He can be reached as 203-330-6207 or by e-mail at jhourihan@ctpost.com.

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Bunny-knew-but-didn-t-understand-664631.php#ixzz1ESn8kxeE

  20. 20 portia1776

    There is no better justification for ending the failed public school monopoly than public employee “union” monopolists invoking Hitler, Mubarak, but curiously never Stalin or Castro, who also nationalized their dominions unions, in the Wisconsin budget debate.

    James Otteson writes that “The Heritage Foundation has put together a short video of interviews with a handful of people in Wisconsin who are protesting Governor Walker’s proposed ‘budget repair bill.’ The video opens with a person saying, ‘What did Hitler do first? He busted the unions. First you take away the unions, and then you take away the Jews.’ Near the end of the video, another person says that the current state of Wisconsin is ‘like pre-Nazi Germany (http://pileusblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/wisconsin-like-pre-nazi-germany/ ).'”

    So Governor Walker is Hitler and Wisconsin is falling to the fascists because his proposed legislation would
    1.) raise public employee pension contributions from below 1% to 5.8%, which is still below the national average.
    2.) raise public employee health insurance contributions from 6% to 12%, which is less than half the national average.
    3.) restore worker freedom by denying union monopolies the ability to force workers to join their “unions” and to automatically collect dues from worker’s paychecks without their consent, and require annual union elections.

    I am not a fan of limiting collective bargaining to wages, as Gov. Walker’s legislation also does, but even that does not justify “Progressive” vitriol.

    What is ironic and sad about all this is that, in making such fatuous and immoral comments as “What did Hitler do?” and “[this is] like pre-Nazi Germany,” public employees are proving why “union” monopolies are only good at protecting mediocrities. No wonder public education is, nationwide, leaving almost every child behind — look at some of the people teaching the children! See the full video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDnKQul_c8&

  21. 21 portia1776

    President Obama lie number…

    “President Obama said that his ‘budget freezes spending for five years, and what that does is it solves the short-term problem by saying, we’re not going to spend any more money than we’re taking in.”

    That is factually incorrect. Even after the president’s proposed budget – with its optimistic prediction of 3.9% growth – achieves a point, in 2017, when spending is roughly equivalent to taxes coming into the government, the U.S. government will continue to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars a year to pay for interest on the national debt accrued until that point – including debt racked up during the Obama presidency.

    Indeed, the U.S., according to Obama’s own budget projections, would borrow $627 billion in 2017 to pay the interest on past debt; $618 billion in 2018; $681 billion in 2019; $735 billion in 2020; and $774 billion in 2021.

    Or: $3.435 trillion (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/02/president-obama-continues-claim-that-were-not-going-to-spend-any-more-money-than-were-taking-in-.html ).”

    Jake Tapper pressed the point in the first post-Gibbs White House presser:

    “TAPPER: Jay, welcome.

    JAY CARNEY: Thank you.

    TAPPER: If I borrow money from you — to pay — to pay off the interest for –

    CARNEY: You may owe me.

    TAPPER: Ten-year rule. If I borrow money from you to pay off the interest for the debt I owe to Geoff, am I not adding to my debt?

    CARNEY: Well, without dealing with hypotheticals, why don’t you — why don’t you –

    TAPPER: The president seems to think that that borrowing money to pay the interest on the debt is not adding to the debt. I don’t understand that math.

    CARNEY: What the president made clear is that we need to get to a place — and his budget absolutely does this — where we are no longer spending more than we’re taking in. And what the reality is, is that we have, like a lot of families — you know, like some families might have, debt on their credit card, with interest rates that have to be contended with. But the first important step to dealing with this issue is getting your regular spending and income in balance so that you are no longer adding to the problem.

    The interest is something we have to deal with, and interest payments are a major portion of our long-term debt. It’s a problem that we need to — that we need to address. But the — but it — look, it is not an inconsequential deal to propose a budget that cuts as substantially as it does in targeted areas so that the federal government lives within its means in order to be able to continue to invest in the future, because you have to have economic growth, you have to have job creation, if we’re going to address this overall long-term problem.

    TAPPER: I assume when the president calls for an adult conversation, he means that conversation should be forthright and politicians shouldn’t be hiding behind cute language such as “We will not be adding more to the national debt,” even if hundreds of billions of dollars are being added to the national debt in interest — paid on debt that President Obama helped, himself, create.

    CARNEY: Well, the debt is — has been created over a number of years, as you know. And we came in here with an economic crisis, the likes of which, I daresay, I think nobody in this room has ever seen, and which threatened to head straight into a depression if we didn’t act.

    But I also remind you that we inherited, when this administration came into office, this president came into office, an enormous debt that had been piled up in the previous eight years. And that is part of the problem. And the interest that you’re talking about is on that debt as well.

    But, look, I think it’s important to step back. The president is — put forward a budget that seriously addresses the need to reduce spending that also protects the key areas that he thinks need to be invested in so that we can remain competitive, grow the economy, create jobs. And he looks forward to working with Republicans and Democrats in Congress to, you know, deal with both the budget proposals and the long-term debt. And he thinks that we can — there is reason to believe that we can — we can get this done.

    TAPPER: Just to button this, you think that, “We will not be adding more to the national debt,” is a statement that stands to scrutiny?

    CARNEY: Absolutely, absolutely. And Jake, we have explained precisely what that means in terms of new spending; you know, getting our spending and income — I mean, our income and spending into balance — that is an important step towards dealing with our deficit and our debt.”

  22. 22 portia1776

    State Control of Media 2.0

    President Obama as a Nixonite, fearful of questions and curtailing the very transparency he had promised to increase:

    “…Over the past few months, as White House cameras have been granted free reign behind the scenes, officials have blocked broadcast news outlets from events traditionally open to coverage and limited opportunities to publicly question the president himself.

    Obama’s recent signing of the historic New START treaty with Russia and his post-State of the Union cabinet meeting, for example, were both closed to reporters in a break with tradition. And during a recent question and answer session with the president and visiting Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the White House imposed an unusual limit of just one question each from the U.S. and Canadian press corps.

    ‘The administration has narrowed access by the mainstream media to an unprecedented extent,’ said ABC News White House correspondent Ann Compton, who has covered seven administrations. ‘Access here has shriveled.’

    Members of the press have always had quibbles with White House media strategies, calling cut-backs in access an affront to transparency, even as administration officials insist they’re simply taking advantage of new technologies.

    But some say the current dynamic is different, and dangerous.

    ‘They’re opening the door to kicking the press out of historic events, and opening the door to having a very filtered format for which they give the American public information that doesn’t have any criticism allowed,’ said University of Minnesota journalism professor and political communication analyst Heather LaMarre.

    ….

    ‘If Nixon had announced he was going to start the ‘Nixon channel’ and said they were only going to put up stuff he approved of, people would have said, ‘Oh my God, this is like Communist Russian state media,’ said David Perlmutter, director of the University of Iowa School of Journalism and Mass Communication.

    ‘But now social media have a friendly face on them, so these media tools are not seen by the public — particularly younger Americans — as some sort of power grab by the president or government,’ he said…. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-white-house-media-operation-state-run/story?id=12913319&page=2)”

  23. 23 portia1776

    Remember Nancy “We-Have-to-Pass-the-Bill-To-Find-Out-What’s-in-It ” Pelosi? It turns out, she was right. Consider Section 4102, which former HHS Secretary Michael O. Leavitt quotes in a recent WashPo article.

    Section 4102 says “‘The secretary shall develop oral healthcare components that shall include tooth-level surveillance.” It defines tooth-level surveillance as a clinical examination in which an examiner looks at each dental surface, on each tooth in the mouth. This determination is better done by a dentist.'”

    Chris and Jez, I await your stout, “pragmatic” and “Progressive” defense of granting tooth-level surveillance powers to the HHS Secretary. No doubt you will tell us that Americans are too stupid to take care of their own teeth, cavity-causing Chinese exports are overwhelming American mouths, tooth-level surveillance will stimulate the economy, and that enamel is the first line of defense against “climate changing” (don’t climates always change?) carbon emissions 😉

    Leavitt goes on to offer an astute point, one only marred by his unfortunate association with the Bush administration:

    “The United States became the most powerful and prosperous nation in the history of the world not through central planning and bureaucracy but because our Founders chose a different course: freedom, limited government, state and local leadership, and private-sector innovation. That formula will work in health care….(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/17/AR2011021705824.html )”

  24. 24 portia1776

    If President Obama’s stimuli was such a success (unemployment is below 8%, and has been for months, right?), why are its architects afraid of a little House oversight? Shouldn’t they welcome the opportunity to put all the achievements of national government intervention in the economy on the record?

    Christina Romer, former head of Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the chief economist and economic-policy adviser to Vice President Joe Biden, refused to testify before the Subcommittee on Regulatory Affairs, Stimulus Oversight and Government Spending of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, February 16, 2011.

    The White House offered low level subordinates in their place, showing the contempt with which this administration treats the American people, our elected representatives, and the Constitution’s principles of divided and accountable government.

    In any case, Professor Russell Roberts, once again, offered excellent testimony. I can only hope some congressman benefited from the edifying experience:

    “Thank you Chairman Jordan, Ranking Member Kucinich, and distinguished members of the Subcommittee.

    Over the last two years, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 has injected over half a trillion dollars into the US economy in hopes of spurring recovery and creating jobs.

    The results have been deeply disappointing. Job growth has been anemic while our deficit has grown, limiting our future policy options. Fourteen million workers are unemployed. The unemployment rate among African Americans is over 15%. This is an American tragedy.

    What went wrong? Why were the predictions so inaccurate?

    There have been two explanations. One is that the economy was in worse shape than we realized. The only evidence for this claim is circular—the standard Keynesian models under-predicted unemployment.

    I prefer a simpler explanation: the models that justified the stimulus package were flawed. Those models were broadly based on the Keynesian notion that the road to recovery depends on spending. In the Keynesian worldview, all spending stimulates. Somehow, subsidizing university budgets in the Midwest or paying teachers in West Virginia helps unemployed carpenters in Nevada. That may be good politics. It’s lousy economics.

    This isn’t the first time the Keynesian worldview was wildly inaccurate in predicting the impact of changes in government spending. Look at the beginning and end of WWII.

    Keynesians frequently argue that the military spending on WWII ended the Great Depression.

    Certainly unemployment fell to nearly zero because of the war. But did the war create an economic boom? There was a boom for the industries related to the war. But there was little prosperity for the rest of the country. The war was a time of austerity. Government spending didn’t have a multiplier effect on private output. It came at the expense of private output.

    What about the end of the war, when government spending plummeted?

    Paul Samuelson, a prominent Keynesian, warned in 1943 that when the war ended, the decrease in spending combined with the surge of returning soldiers to the labor force would lead to ‘the greatest period of unemployment and industrial dislocation which any economy has ever faced.’ He was not alone. Many economists predicted disaster.

    What happened? Government spending went form 40% of the economy to less than 15%. And prosperity returned to America. Unemployment stayed under 4% between 1945 and 1948. There was a short and mild recession in 1945—while the war was still going on. But the economy boomed when government spending shrank and price controls were removed.

    We are told that the failure of the current stimulus proves it simply wasn’t big enough to get the job done. But it is equally plausible that the opposite is true—that government intervention in the economy prevented the recovery.

    The truth is that our knowledge of the complex system called the economy is woefully inadequate and may always remain that way. We ask too much of economics. Even our best attempts to measure the job impact of the stimulus spending make this clear. In November of 2010, the CBO estimated that the stimulus had created between 1.4 and 3.6 million jobs. Not a very precise estimate.

    But even this estimate was more of a guess than an estimate. The CBO estimates didn’t use any of the actual employment numbers after the stimulus was passed. Instead the CBO based its ‘estimates’ on pre-stimulus relationships between government spending and employment, relationships that failed to predict the magnitude of our current problems.

    The CBO’s results and those of other forecasters using multi-equation models of the economy are not science but pseudo science–what the economist F.A. Hayek called scientism—the use of the tools and language of science in unscientific ways.

    So where does that leave us?

    Let’s get back to basic truths.

    When you’re in a hole, stop digging. Stop running deficits of over 1.5 trillion dollars. Act like grownups and get your fiscal house in order. Stop spending 25% of what we produce. Stop wasting my money and giving it to your friends. Stop passing legislation that makes it hard to figure out what the rules of the game are going to be. Get out of the way. Make government smaller and give us a chance to do what comes naturally—seeking ways to make profit, avoid loss and work together. That is the only sustainable path to prosperity.

    Thank you very much (http://cafehayek.com/2011/02/congressional-testimony-on-the-stimulus.html ).”

  25. 25 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Chris and Jez, I await your stout,”

    Somebody must be off today and has a bit of time….

    I’m not sure exactly what the problem is with having a dentist look at teeth.

  26. 26 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I’m not sure exactly what the problem is with having a dentist look at teeth.” – Ah, it’s not a dentist; this is the equivalent of a TSA agent looking in your mouth. But, even if the law required a dentist, don’t you think it just a little disturbing (to say nothing of ridiculous and unconstitutional) for Obamacare to include such a provision? I suppose not, judging from your responses to the other points.

    I am positing these things here on the Dark Side II because where else would such items be appropriate? George, please take note. The truth is scarier than fiction.

    Consider Gov. Mitch Daniel’s recent speech in which he exposed the “Progressive” plan of plans:

    “Some who can accept, or even welcome, the ballooning of the state, regardless of the cost in dollars, opportunity, or liberty, and the slippage of the United States into a gray parity with the other nations of this earth.  Some who sincerely believe that history has devised a leftward ratchet, moving in fits and starts but always in the direction of a more powerful state.  The people who coined the smug and infuriating term – have you heard it? – ‘the Reagan Interruption.’

    The task of such people is now a simple one.  They need only play good defense.  The federal spending commitments now in place will bring about the leviathan state they have always sought.   The health care travesty now on the books will engulf private markets and produce a single-payer system or its equivalent, and it won’t take long to happen.  Our fiscal ruin and resulting loss of world leadership will, in their eyes, be not a tragic event but a desirable one… (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/259623/mitch-daniels-takes-cpac-kathryn-jean-lopez )”

    I leave you with Justice Brandeis’ two best phrases: “sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants” and “This is the end of this business of centralization, and I want you to go back and tell the president that we’re not going to let this government centralize everything.” The latter was said after the Supreme Court revoked one of the New Deal’s most blatantly evil command-and-control programs, the National Industrial Recovery Act, in Schechter Poultry Corp v. U.S., (1935).

  27. 27 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “don’t you think it just a little disturbing (to say nothing of ridiculous and unconstitutional) for Obamacare to include such a provision?”

    I would go with “ridiculous”. I would settle for a hygienist, but that’s me. Mine always rats me out to the dentist anyway. It seems when any politician of any party has a chance to pass a silly law, they just can’t resist.
    Like the CFL law piece I watched tonight. It will be illegal to sell incandescent bulbs soon. I don’t happen to have any of those in my house anymore. Buying them just doesn’t make economic sense. But why pass a law? You can’t legislate intelligence. You also can’t buy a regular TV with a cathode ray tube anymore. Why not? Actually, this one beats me. Once you’ve seen the same Law & Order 12 times does HD make it any different?

    You can’t confuse an attempt to provide universal healthcare with stupid politicians. It’s like taking the word of Barbara Bachmann or Joe Barton that they actually know what they are saying.

    “The health care travesty now on the books will engulf private markets and produce a single-payer system or its equivalent,”

    It can’t come soon enough. Does being the only industrialized country in the world without national healthcare give us an advantage? We pour more money (per capita) into private healthcare than any country in the world but we rank 28th in infant mortality. Why do you think that is?

  28. 28 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I would go with ‘ridiculous'” – I’ll take it. Now, how about forcing people to buy a defective product (health care) from your political cronies (health insurance companies)? This, by the way, is known as the “individual mandate.”

    “Like the CFL law piece I watched tonight. It will be illegal to sell incandescent bulbs soon.” – I fully support the Republican effort to save incandescent bulbs from the bipartisan dim bulbs who passed the “Energy Independence and Security Act.” (Who knew you and Rep. Barton agreed on something: “People don’t want Congress dictating what light fixtures they can use.”)

    Unfortunately, it is too late for American manufacturers and their employees. According to the WashPo of Sept. 8th, “The last major GE factory making ordinary incandescent light bulbs in the United States is closing this month, marking a small, sad exit for a product and company that can trace their roots to Thomas Alva Edison’s innovations in the 1870s.” Government intervention of the kind that Bill Finch advocated to force Americans to buy what kind of light bulb he likes is directly responsible for the loss of these 200 workers’ jobs as well as the hundreds fired before them.

    “I don’t happen to have any of those in my house anymore. Buying them just doesn’t make economic sense.” – Wait, Jez, you’re rationally self-interested, i.e., greedy?! I am not a fan of CFLs, which are properly more harmful to the environment than incandescent bulbs. They are certainly more harmful to humans if not handled properly.

    “But why pass a law?” – Given all empirical data (increasing national governemnt centralization, command-and-control of the economy, decreasing individual civil and economic freedom, contempt for the Constitution and democratic institutions, including a free press, independent judiciary, Congressional oversight) do you think this administration might just be staffed by power-hungry control freaks?

    “You can’t legislate intelligence.” – With this past election, at least we elected some intelligence for a change.

    “You also can’t buy a regular TV with a cathode ray tube anymore.” – Actually, thanks to the “invisible hand” of the market, you can choose from several hundred CRT TVs and monitors just on Ebay alone.

    “You can’t confuse an attempt to provide universal healthcare with stupid politicians.” – But stupid politicians wrote the immoral and unconstitutional and fiscally disastrous legislation, stupid politicians and bureaucrats will administer the immoral and unconstitutional and fiscally disastrous legislation, and stupid politicians are amassing power and money by exempting corporate cronies and otherwise exploiting provision of the immoral and unconstitutional and fiscally disastrous legislation.

    It is impossible, my friend, to exculpate stupid politicians from the immoral and unconstitutional and fiscally disastrous legislation they pass.

    And, please, let us be clear: the type of health care typically referred to as “universal” is government-controlled health care, which will result in rationing of health care, the death of innovation,* and decreasing quality in health care.

    *Name a single medical innovation made in the USSR or Cuba or North Korea that has been adopted globally? Are those countries too socialist? OK, how many treatments and drugs are invented in the socialist EU countries — all of them combined — compared to the US of A?

    Professor Glen Whitman and Raymond Raad, M.D., may offer a hint:

    “Of the top 27 diagnostic and therapeutic innovations over the past four decades, work in the U.S. contributed significantly to 20, including nine of the top 10. By contrast, all European Union countries together with Switzerland had a hand in 14 of those advances, and just five of the top 10.

    Important innovations developed solely in the U.S. include drugs like ACE inhibitors for heart failure and high blood pressure, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors for depression, and treatments for cataracts….

    ….
    centrally organized health care systems, like those in much of Europe, are characterized by strong buyer power that pushes down compensation. As a result, they pay 35% to 55% less for prescription drugs.

    Centralized systems also place limits on the use of new drugs, technologies and procedures. As a result, they tend to adopt new technologies later and use them less extensively.

    Lower spending might seem like a good thing, until you consider the poor incentive it creates for innovation. Other things equal, people and firms tend to invest more in medical innovation when they expect a higher return, when the returns last longer and when the returns arrive sooner.

    As Sidney Taurel, former CEO of the pharmaceutical giant Eli Lilly, once put it: America, ‘though hardly ‘free’ of government intervention … is the one market where global innovators find the incentive they need to keep pushing the boundaries.’ Critics often describe America’s high level of per-capita medical spending as a problem–but when encouraging innovation, it’s a feature….

    The health care debate should address more than just covering the uninsured and controlling costs. When the U.S. generates medical innovations, the whole world benefits. That is a virtue of the American system that is not reflected in comparative life expectancy and mortality statistics (http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/06/health-care-reform-congress-politics-opinions-contributors-whitman-raad_print.html ).”

    “It can’t come soon enough.” – LOL! Patience has never been a “Progressive” virtue.

    “Does being the only industrialized country in the world without national healthcare give us an advantage?” – Yes, actually. We have agreed in the past that the problem with the current system is too little, not too much, consumer choice.

    “We pour more money (per capita) into private healthcare than any country in the world” – You can’t wish entitlement costs away. A massive amount of health spending is for governemnt health insurance programs. Too much of the rest is the result of government regulation, including those which save health insurance company cartels from competition.

    In Dr. John Goodman’s words: “Most providers don’t compete for patients either on price or on quality. Since out-of-pocket payments by patients are well below the true cost of their care, demand exceeds supply and services are rationed by waiting — just like in Canada. In such an environment, quality improvements do not increase provider income and quality degradation does not decrease it. That’s why so much of the health care system resembles the Department of Motor Vehicles.”

    “but we rank 28th in infant mortality. Why do you think that is?” – First, the US is 33rd. Second, because that ranking is a fatuity, based on numbers submitted by governments to the United Nations that are not independently verified or even verifiable. Third, do you really think that the sunny gulag known as Cuba (28th) or Slovenia (21st) or Czech Republic (8th) actually have better health care for infants (or anyone else) than America?

  29. 29 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “I’ll take it. Now, how about forcing people to buy a defective product (health care) from your political cronies (health insurance companies)?”

    As opposed to unjustifiable rate hikes year after year?

    “I fully support the Republican effort to save incandescent bulbs from the bipartisan dim bulbs who passed the “Energy Independence and Security Act.””

    Err….incandescent bulbs don’t seem to have the same impact as oh, say, whales or polar bears. It’s just a stupid law passed by politicians who felt the need to prove that they actually do something for their $174K/year.

    “do you think this administration might just be staffed by power-hungry control freaks?”
    LOL! Umm…I’m pretty sure the bill was signed by George W. But I won’t even go into the “Patriot” Act.

    “With this past election, at least we elected some intelligence for a change.” Barbara Bachmann?

    “and stupid politicians are amassing power and money by exempting corporate cronies and otherwise exploiting provision of the immoral and unconstitutional and fiscally disastrous legislation.”
    Here I would use the word “corrupt”. Neither Republicans nor Democrats seem to be immune.

    “By contrast, all European Union countries together with Switzerland had a hand in 14 of those advances, and just five of the top 10.”
    And they are coming up fast. Particularly in the area of stem cell research and microbiology. Let’s not forget that many of what we think are fine “American” companies are based in the EU. Norvartis and Bayer spring to mind. Although we probably lead the way in treatments for dry eye, restless leg syndrome and ED.

    “And, please, let us be clear: the type of health care typically referred to as “universal” is government-controlled health care, which will result in rationing of health care, the death of innovation,* and decreasing quality in health care.”
    That sounds like an opinion, not a statement of fact.

    “Name a single medical innovation made in the USSR”
    Lasik surgery. (Do I win anything?)

    “Most providers don’t compete for patients either on price or on quality.”
    Are you kidding me? When did you last shop around for treatment of a cold? Or a broken bone? Or even an allergy? Do you even know what any doctor charges compared to the one on a different floor?

    “Third, do you really think that the sunny gulag known as Cuba (28th) or Slovenia (21st) or Czech Republic (8th) actually have better health care for infants (or anyone else) than America?”
    I don’t know about Cuba, but I have been to Slovenia and the Czech Republic and I would guess the answer is “yes”. If you want confirmation of that, spend a little time in Bridgeport Hospital’s triage unit and see how many children come in who don’t have the medications they need or have even had a physical….ever.

  30. 30 1george1

    I do not have time to comment on PORTIA’S overwhelming posts and
    opinions, not JEZE. However, they inspired another thought.

    I am NOT a FAN of Socialism, and I would prefer Compassionate Capitalism
    to crony Capitalism or vulture Capitalism.

    From what I can tell, Religions and Communism / certain Socialism make
    it a priority to teach people to read, and if they are NOT MURDEROUS
    POLITICAL REGIMES, they tend to feed and care for the Health of the
    General Populations. Unfortunately, sometimes they do B O T H!

    However, comparing Mafia controlled Cuba to Castro controlled Cuba:

    1 – Literacy rates.

    2 – General Health Care for the Majority of the people.

    3 – General distribution of basic needs, like food.

    Cuban population is poor and the country is backwards, unless you
    love the 1950s automobile.

    Basic Freedoms are repressed in Cuba, and part of my extended family
    are Cuban and vehemently anti – Castro.

    Hypothetically – WHAT IF

    1) Eisenhower’s Military / C.I.A. put cASTRO into (he)CUBA precisely
    to take ORGANIZED CRIME’S asset off shore, away from them?

    2) The Marshall Plan used Russia / China threats to REBUILD GERMANY,
    Western Europe and America + Japan, Pacific Rim and America to where
    GERMANY became # 2 world ecomomics
    JAPAN became # 3 world ecomomics

    3) The TRILATERAL COMMISSION and MILITARY used Russia / China threats
    as an excuse to make
    RUSSIA becoming # 2 world ecomomics using high oil prices
    CHINA becoming # 3 world ecomomics using US Industries

    4) The Military used WTC + PENTAGON – AL QAEDA to isolate various factions
    in the MIDEAST
    ISRAEL v PALESTINE + LEBANON + EQYPT + SYRIA + IRAQ + IRAN + SAUD
    PRESENT LIVING STANDARDS vs. Moslem beliefs
    IRAQ (sunni v shiite moslems) v IRAN persians
    PAKISTAN moslem v INDIA hindu (hugely improved Living Standards)

    5) Will YELLOW chinese and japanese be used to help BLACK africa?

    6) Will PORTUGESE BRAZIL be used to help SPANISH AMERICA, with
    imports from china, japan, india, australia/new zealand.

    —-

    I tend to look at bigger pictures while noticing details in the local
    pictures. One of the functions of my TIN FOIL HAT.

    I HATE the VIOLENCE, in the MEAN TIME!!!!!

  31. 31 portia1776

    Jez,

    “As opposed to unjustifiable rate hikes year after year?” – Do rate hikes happen in a vacuum? Of course not. The health insurance cartels can only able to raise rates because government protects them from competition. Where are consumers to go? Nowhere. Ditto our “publicly controlled” electrical utility, UI, who also just allowed to raise its fees. Remember, we agree on empowering individual health insurance and care consumers. What I was trying to bring your attention to was that if you don’t like stupid politicians (which you don’t), it would seem to follow that you should oppose giving them unlimited power to control our lives for the benefit of their cronies.

    Here is my original sentence: How about forcing people to buy a defective product (health care) from your political cronies (health insurance companies)?

    If the individual mandate remains on the book, stupid politicians could just as easily make you purchase anything. Maybe that would be ridiculous. It would, nevertheless, be the law; and non-compliance, as with non-compliance with Obamacare, would result in fines and imprisonment.

    “Energy Independence and Security Act.” – As so many laws it is stupid (as you say) as well as an attack on individual economic liberty (as you do not). Ask the workers who lost their jobs because of this… to them it’s not a joke. Moreover, there are other provisions of the bill, which was clearly designed to benefit favored special interests in both parties with our money.

    “do you think this administration might just be staffed by power-hungry control freaks?”

    “LOL!” – The real unemployment numbers? And the debt and deficit numbers? And the fact that President Obama has spent $3 trillion of our money and has nothing to show for it? Hilarious.

    President Obama is as feckless and prone to failure as Jimmy Carter, and as contemptuous of the Constitution, democratic institutions and individual economic and civil liberty as Richard Nixon.

    “I’m pretty sure the bill was signed by George W. But I won’t even go into the ‘Patriot’ Act.” – Remind me, who was the Speaker of the House in 2007? Who were the co-authors of the “Patriot Act”? Why does President Obama want the “Patriot Act” extended beyond its sunset (or what remains of its sunset)? Maybe you missed the vote on Patriot Act re-authorization recently in which rank-and-file House Republicans defeated their own leadership on procedural grounds. Or maybe you missed Senator Rand Paul’s beautiful denunciation of this unconstitutional abomination that President Obama wants to extend indefinitely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSDBswx90Cs and on the Senate floor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPKSLJzwjA

    In Senator Rand’s words: “I object to these warrantless searches being performed on United States citizens. I object to the 200,000 NSL searches that have been performed without a judge’s warrant.

    I object to over 2 million searches of bank records, called Suspicious Activity Reports, performed on U.S. citizens without a judge’s warrant.”

    “Barbara Bachmann?” – Again, I’m not a fan of Michelle. She voted for “Patriot Act” re-authorization, for example. She is also something of a protectionist, a position she shares with President Obama and her “Progressive” colleagues. Look to the Republicans who voted against the “Patriot Act” — a litmus test for fidelity to the Constitution.

    “Neither Republicans nor Democrats seem to be immune.” – We fully agree on that, as should be clear from my nearly 3,000 word denunciation of Kevin Kelly if not Phineast accusing me of being a Democrat (and an attorney!).

    “Let’s not forget that many of what we think are fine ‘American’ companies are based in the EU. Norvartis and Bayer spring to mind.” – Excellent point. In the free market, millions of individuals around the globe collaborate benefit from their new knowledge creation. European pharmaceutical companies have sifted to the US because of the talent of American scientists and the legal structure that, until now, has given them the freedom to innovate and profit.

    “Although we probably lead the way in treatments for dry eye, restless leg syndrome and ED.” – Those much derided drugs contribute to the $1 billion cost that private companies and investors pay to try to bring a single new drugs to market — the ones that enable Americans to have among the best survival rates in the world for a host of conditions.

    “That sounds like an opinion, not a statement of fact.” – It’s actually a clarification. If you don’t like the necessary consequences of a policy, maybe you should reevaluate your support of that policy?

    “Lasik surgery. (Do I win anything?)” – Partial credit, but hardly worthy of the Order of Lenin. You will have to settle for my thanks.

    According to NPR, Dr. Slava Fyodorov, the pioneer of Lasik’s non-laser surgical predecessor RK, was a greedy, bourgeois capitalist, who wanted to cash in on his innovation. But, of course, “the Soviet bureaucracy had stymied Fyodorov’s vision of medical clinics all around the world, offering ‘beautiful eyes for everyone,’ as he told CBS’ 60 Minutes in a 1989 interview.

    Then, Gorbachev came into power, launching economic reforms that encouraged entrepreneurial experiments.”

    Note, to Fyodorov, providing “beautiful eyes for everyone” meant doing so at a profit; he “become one of post-Communist Russia’s first millionaires.” See: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6249164

    It is also worth noting that his work was only possible because of a free-market in medical literature — the principles of RK had already been articulated in the Netherlands and tested in Japan, albeit unsuccessfully.

    “Do you even know what any doctor charges compared to the one on a different floor?” – No, I don’t, and that’s the problem.

    “I have been to Slovenia and the Czech Republic and I would guess the answer is ‘yes'” – Data is hard to come by. It seems that health tourists flock to those countries, which is usually a good sign. But Europe, in general, lags behind the US in medical innovation and health care outcomes. So the fact that a Brit travels to Slovenia for care may mean that care there is comparable to the rationed, government-controlled “free” care at home, just without the wait time.

    “If you want confirmation of that, spend a little time in Bridgeport Hospital’s triage unit” – They should really think about changing that name. “Triage” means prioritizing, something I have never seen happen in the “triage unit.”

  32. 32 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “What I was trying to bring your attention to was that if you don’t like stupid politicians (which you don’t), it would seem to follow that you should oppose giving them unlimited power to control our lives for the benefit of their cronies.”

    I seem to recollect having this discussion with you before. Although I agree that health insurance companies have been aided and abetted by politicians in their quest for more of our money, I don’t agree that the solution is to turn them loose to bankrupt us completely.

    Inevitably, we will end up closing a school or two as well as losing dozens of teachers as a direct result of Connecticare’s greed. Add a little mismanagement by the administration and bloated salaries and you can guarantee it.

    “Or maybe you missed Senator Rand Paul’s”
    Sometimes I just get lucky…

    “Those much derided drugs contribute to the $1 billion cost that private companies and investors pay to try to bring a single new drugs to market — the ones that enable Americans to have among the best survival rates in the world for a host of conditions. ”

    Now why in the world would you take a drug company’s argument for exorbitant prices when you wouldn’t believe a word a politician said? Politicians lie about your money. Companies lie about how they spend their own.

    “European pharmaceutical companies have sifted to the US”
    Did you mean “shifted”? If so, I’m going to guess that in the EU (and the rest of the planet) there is not such market for dry eye, restless leg or ED. Apparently in the U.S. it has reached epidemic proportions.

    “RK, was a greedy, bourgeois capitalist, who wanted to cash in on his innovation. But, of course, “the Soviet bureaucracy had stymied Fyodorov’s vision of medical clinics all around the world, offering ‘beautiful eyes for everyone,’ as he told CBS’ 60 Minutes in a 1989 interview.”
    Kinda my point. The innovation occurred in the Soviet Union. It would be hard to beat the Max Plank institute in Germany for genetics and microbiological research. Innovation comes from a brain, not from a P&L report.

    “But Europe, in general, lags behind the US in medical innovation and health care outcomes”

    Really, Portia…one of these days you have got to get yourself down to the Post Office and pick up a passport application. Surprisingly, Europe is not a place in black & white with army jeeps bouncing over rubble. Europeans tend to take their health (and weight) far more seriously than Americans.

    “They should really think about changing that name. “Triage” means prioritizing, something I have never seen happen in the “triage unit.””
    I’m not sure what might have more priority than a sick child.

  33. 33 jezebel282

    George,

    “Hypothetically – WHAT IF”

    You left out the Bilderburg Group?

  34. 34 portia1776

    Portia,

    “I seem to recollect having this discussion with you before.” – Deju vu for me, too.

    “Although I agree that health insurance companies have been aided and abetted by politicians in their quest for more of our money,” – … and politicians have been aided and abetted by health insurance cartel members in their quest for more of our power.

    “I don’t agree that the solution is to turn them loose to bankrupt us completely.” – In that case, we have a misunderstanding. I am not for turning them loose. I am, rather, for freeing individuals to control their own health insurance and health care decisions. If health insurance comapnies are to exist, they would have to compete to offer the highest quality service at the lowest cost to consumers. If allowed to spend the money already taken from their paychecks for health insurance, individuals would be empowered to purchase portable, high-deductible coverage and still have money left over for ordinary and routine health spending (in other words, the same plan Whole Food employees enjoy).

    “Inevitably, we will end up closing a school or two as well as losing dozens of teachers as a direct result of Connecticare’s greed.” – We agree that Connecticare’s earnings are ill-gotten, as they are part of a government-created cartel. I do not agree, however, that those dire predictions will primarily result from health insurance inflation.

    “Add a little mismanagement by the administration and bloated salaries and you can guarantee it.” – Exactly…

    “Sometimes I just get lucky…” – What’s not to like? He is one of the few principled elected officials who actually takes his oath to uphold the Constitution seriously. Bachmann is a hypocrite.

    “Now why in the world would you take a drug company’s argument for exorbitant prices when you wouldn’t believe a word a politician said? Politicians lie about your money. Companies lie about how they spend their own.” – Ah, maybe because it’s an estimate created by academics and research analysts. They lie, too, of course, but when you have multiples studies all arriving at a number in the same ball park, the confidence interval increases. The most well known estimate ($800 million) is from a 2001 report by the Tufts University Center for the Study of Drug Development. Other studies (that I know of) have ranged from as low as $115 million to $1.7 billion, which averages out to about $1 billion per drug from thought through FDA Phase-3 testing. We do know for certain that from 1986-1996, the costs of HIV protease inhibitors research was $10 billion — excluding private investment.

    “Did you mean ‘shifted’?” – Yes, thank you for catching that.

    “If so, I’m going to guess that in the EU (and the rest of the planet) there is not such market for dry eye, restless leg or ED. Apparently in the U.S. it has reached epidemic proportions.” – LOL.

    “Kinda my point. The innovation occurred in the Soviet Union…. Innovation comes from a brain…” – The brain (and the body which contains it) must be free to innovate. Ideology matters. The US leads the world in innovation because individuals are (still) free to question prevailing wisdom, reject consensus (sorry, Gore, that is how science works), and let their theories rise or fall on the basis of validity, not political expediency.

    Nazi Germany failed to develop the atom bomb because it killed or forced into exile the best minds of the time. The Soviet Union, with the rare exception of a genius like Sergey Korolyov, was only able to pretend to keep up with the US on account of its agents and communist sympathizers stealing the achievements of free individuals in the West.

    The innovations of Korolyov and Fyodorov were because, in contradiction to Marxist-Leninism, they were given a modicum of freedom. In Korolyov’s case, that freedom was purely because of the utility of his inventions, rocket technology, for the war effort in WWII. Fyodorov was lucky to have lived at the bitter end of the USSR’s tyranny when such lapses in ideology were more readily tolerated.

    Here are a couple excerpts from eccentric Nathaniel Weyl’s review of Yves Christen’s “Le Grand Affrontement: Marx et Darwin” on the great and glorious achievements of the USSR in the area of science:

    “The clownish figure of Trofim Lyseenko dominated Soviet biology, proclaiming fraudulent miracles backed by unscientific theories. Soviet scientists in biology and genetics either paid homage to the new charlatans and denounced colleagues who failed to follow suit or else were rounded up and sent to forced labor camps where some of them perished…. Lyseenko, who reigned over Soviet biology with such calamitous consequences between 1937 and 1966 ‘denied the existence of chromosomes, of intraspectific Darwinian competition, defended the theory that acquired characteristics can be inherited’ and claimed to be able to transform wheat into rye.”

    Then there was “the [Soviet] scientific genius of Mme. Lepechinskaia who claimed to be able to transform crystals into bacteria. After her death, her daughter, Olga, continued this noble work and was similarly honored. All this occurred not in the dark ages of Stalinist paranoia but in the 1960’s”

    And how can we forget Kremlin science spokesman Maximov, the Robert Gibbs or Jay Carney or Scott McClellan of his day, pronouncing, in 1948, that “the theory of relativity is manifestly anti-scientific”? “Computer programming and cybernetics were officially damned as ‘obscurantist,’ until the Soviet military told the ideologues that without computers they would lose World War III.”

    Marx, Engels, Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, and there totalitarian contemporaries and successors were all profoundly anti-science because their ideologies sought to destroy the individual in favor of the collective.

    “Europeans tend to take their health (and weight) far more seriously than Americans.” – Which is why Americans enjoy better health care outcomes for serious conditions (hint: those that are too scary for commercials) than Europeans or Canadians?

    The principle issue, however, is that we have a Constitution. It very clearly states that the national government’s powers are limited, in order to protect everyone’s individual civil and economic liberty. There is no excuse — “climate change,” 30 million uninsured, keeping up with the Scandinavians, the non-existent “efficiency” of standardization and centralization, complexity — that can justify surrendering our “unalienable rights.” Indeed, that is the very meaning of the word “unalienable.”

    “I’m not sure what might have more priority than a sick child.” – How about giving preference to the sickest person first?

  35. 35 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “If allowed to spend the money already taken from their paychecks for health insurance, individuals would be empowered to purchase portable, high-deductible coverage and still have money left over for ordinary and routine health spending (in other words, the same plan Whole Food employees enjoy).”

    There is a problem with that. On paper it sounds great, but I am going to posit that most people will spend that money on food, rent or mortgage payments when times are hard. Like now.
    A high deductible isn’t magic. The patient (you and me) must come up with the deductible. It’s called “high” for a reason. You must also pay premiums in the meantime. As it stands now, the “portability” aspect means that your “group” is you and your family. Even higher premiums. That is only if you are not denied coverage for some pre-existing thing. If you are very healthy and have never had anything more serious than a cold and you have an extra $5,000-$15,000 lying around, an HSA is not so bad.

    “I do not agree, however, that those dire predictions will primarily result from health insurance inflation.”
    Really? Do you think companies and organizations can sustain 12-57% premium increases year after year?

    “The US leads the world in innovation because individuals are (still) free to question prevailing wisdom, reject consensus (sorry, Gore, that is how science works), and let their theories rise or fall on the basis of validity, not political expediency.”
    You definitely need more time in a corporate environment. New and innovative approaches do not do well in conferences or committee meetings. And then there is the ability to write grants and receive approval placing the risk entirely on someone else. The U.S. is not a perfect paradise for innovative ideas.

    “The innovations of Korolyov and Fyodorov were because, in contradiction to Marxist-Leninism, they were given a modicum of freedom.”

    Sigh…you said to name one. I did. Don’t go all “George” on me now.

    “I’m not sure what might have more priority than a sick child.” – How about giving preference to the sickest person first?”

    If you do find yourself in the triage unit (the first thing you come to as a walk-in in Bpt Hospital’s ER) and complain of chest pain, difficulty breathing and are diaphoretic and pale, rest assured…you will be first. Children are unable to compensate as well as adults and tend to crash instantly and without warning.

  36. 36 cstratct

    I see Portia is once again putting words in other people’s mouths:

    “Chris and Jez, I await your stout, “pragmatic” and “Progressive” defense of granting tooth-level surveillance powers to the HHS Secretary. No doubt you will tell us that Americans are too stupid to take care of their own teeth, cavity-causing Chinese exports are overwhelming American mouths, tooth-level surveillance will stimulate the economy, and that enamel is the first line of defense against “climate changing” (don’t climates always change?) carbon emissions.”

    Where did I (or anyone) say anything close to the drivel you’re spouting? That’s right, no one said anything of the sort. It’s just you trying to fan the flames. Beck and Hannity would be proud.

    I will take a moment to point out a blatant contradiction in your (Portia’s) logic.

    First you say this:

    “The US leads the world in innovation because individuals are (still) free to question prevailing wisdom, reject consensus (sorry, Gore, that is how science works), and let their theories rise or fall on the basis of validity, not political expediency.”

    But later you defend the drug company estimates by stating this:

    “Ah, maybe because it’s an estimate created by academics and research analysts. They lie, too, of course, but when you have multiples studies all arriving at a number in the same ball park, the confidence interval increases. The most well known estimate ($800 million) is from a 2001 report by the Tufts University Center for the Study of Drug Development. Other studies (that I know of) have ranged from as low as $115 million to $1.7 billion, which averages out to about $1 billion per drug from thought through FDA Phase-3 testing. We do know for certain that from 1986-1996, the costs of HIV protease inhibitors research was $10 billion — excluding private investment.”

    So if I understand the logic, consensus, when it supports your beliefs and positions is enough to validate your claim regarding the costs related to developing drugs, but scientific consensus regarding climate change can be rejected because, well, “individuals are (still) free to question prevailing wisdom.” Consensus among major, respected scientific studies has shown time and again that climate change is occurring and having a negative impact on our environment. But you choose to reject that consensus because it doesn’t support your beliefs. But “academics and research analysts” evaluating financial documents (which only include information private companies want others to see, while burying the rest) are more reliable? Respected accounting firms supposedly audited companies such as Enron, HCA, Lehman Brothers and others. How accurate were those analysts? Not to mention there is plenty of academic research that leaves a lot to be desired. Academia is not the only reliable source of information or research. All research needs to be independently verified or replicable. But government-sponsored research is no more or less reliable then any other type of research. Questioning prevailing wisdom is one thing, rejecting verified scientific research is anti-intellectual, which would go against the principles you say you uphold.

  37. 37 1george1

    Welcome back Chris.

    It looks like you decided to have the same kind of fun with
    PORTIA, which PORTIA was having at your expense.

    This could get V E R Y interesting and educational as each of you
    will bring subjectively ideologically orientated documentation to
    support your positions.

    Despite having cable, I stay away from watching the talking heads.
    Nor do I read the intellectuals’ ideologic normal outlets which both
    of you will use for 3rd party endorsements.

    Jeze and a couple others can compete with you and PORTIA.

    I am likely to pick and choose what i agree and disagree with,
    likely from ALL ideologies.

    I try to keep from personal attacks, except goofy name games,
    which I try to relate per political venues / positions!

    Do PORTIA, CHRIS, and others.
    Have FUN.
    Please play NICE.
    Please INFORM.
    Please keep it POLITICAL?

    JEZE gets a free pass related to attacking MIRONS.
    HEY – It’s JEZE’S BALL and BLOG!! 8)

  38. 38 cstratct

    Hi George, thanks for the greeting. I hope all is good in Stratford.

    Hey Portia (and everyone else), did you see this:

    Third Federal Judge OKs Affordable Care Act

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/22/third-federal-judge-oks-affordable-care-act/

    “A federal trial judge in Washington, D.C., Tuesday bluntly rejected the latest legal challenge to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, ruling that the “individual mandate” requirement in the new federal health care law was a legitimate exercise of congressional power to regulate the nation’s health insurance initiatives.”

    Here’s what you (Portia) posted on February 1, 2011: “I eagerly await your apology, now that the entire monstrosity has been found in a court of law unconstitutional and, in the words of Judge Roger Vinson, is entirely “void.””

    If you’re keeping score at home, that is 3 Judges ruling in favor of the Act, and 2 against. So Portia, it looks like you’ll be waiting a little longer for that apology.

  39. 39 1george1

    Chris you are welcomed for the greeting.
    If I remember you had a baby girl, approaching 1 year?
    I hope all is well with the family.

    If you don’t get baited by insults, a debate between you
    and Portia could get interesting.

    I do lean toward’s Portia’s financial ideological perspective.
    However, I admit to being more bleeding heart than Portia
    is likely to admit to being.

    Portia and Phin are hard, but not heartless.

    Jeze is biased towards friends and against enemies, not without
    having reasons, yet I believe sometimes unreasonably?

    Now for me to wander to Jeze counterpost
    re: Pats and patsies? 😉

  40. 40 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze is biased towards friends and against enemies, not without
    having reasons, yet I believe sometimes unreasonably?”

    Friends?

    I edit this blog. I have no friends.

  41. 41 1george1

    Friends? – I edit this blog. I have no friends.

    We BROKE UP?

  42. 42 portia1776

    Chris, are you really asking me to condescend once more?

    “I see Portia is once again putting words in other people’s mouths” – I wouldn’t do that… it’s non-hygienic.

    “Where did I (or anyone) say anything close to the drivel you’re spouting? That’s right, no one said anything of the sort.” – It was quite obviously (note the 😉 )a parody of very real “Progressive” positions, most of which you unquestioningly profess as “pragmatic.” These include a disdainful view of individuals as justification for unlimited government intervention (“Americans are too stupid to take care of their own teeth”), protectionism and xenophobia (“cavity-causing Chinese exports…”), the circular reasoning of Keynesian deficit spending (“tooth-level surveillance will stimulate the economy”), and “climate change” as a convenient crisis to excuse usurpation of individual liberty (“enamel is the first line of defense against… carbon emission”).”

    Of course, you would rather attack me than defend your cherished Obamacare’s provisions and consequences; or President Obama’s increasingly Nixonite attacks on individual civil and economic liberty coupled with malaise and failures worthy of Jimmy Carter.

    In so doing, you provide a case study for applying what entrepreneur Herman Cain recently described as leftish “S.I.N.” tactics: “shift the subject, ignore the facts and name-call.”

    S: The subject is the unConstitutionality (or, in Jez’s lexicon, ridiculousness) of tooth-level surveillance. Here is what you wrote: “I see Portia is once again putting words in other people’s mouths.” As Congressman Barney Franks is apt to say, “this is not germane to the subject.”

    I: You completely ignore the evidence on offer, preferring to continue to tacitly accept whatever action this administration deems “necessary” as if it were so. As we have seen abundantly demonstrated in the past, you will hold to a position until it is painstakingly refuted, thereafter never admit you were mistaken, and then, after sometime more, reemerge professing the very same position as if it had never been thoroughly and conclusive disproven in the first place (e.g., Jimmy Miron, the Burturla brothers, Loschiavo).

    N: This one is self-explanatory: “Beck and Hannity would be proud.”

    “I will take a moment to point out a blatant contradiction in your (Portia’s) logic.” – This should be good…

    “But later you defend the drug company estimates” – Tufts University is a drug company?! As stated, the only estimates I am aware of come from academics and research analysts. If you have a more defensible estimate please, by all means, show us the data.

    “So if I understand the logic, consensus, when it supports your beliefs and positions is enough to validate your claim regarding the costs related to developing drugs, but scientific consensus regarding climate change can be rejected because, well, ‘individuals are (still) free to question prevailing wisdom.’” – By your own words, you clearly do not understand logic. No one knows what an individual drug will cost to bring to market. Whether “only” a couple hundred million or about a billion or in the billions (as with successful AIDS research), the exact number is immaterial to the simple, incontrovertible point I was making: drug innovation, regardless of who pays for it, is expensive. Do you deny this? Do you further deny that some profits from popular drugs are invested in private drug research?

    “Consensus among major, respected scientific studies has shown time and again that climate change is occurring and having a negative impact on our environment.” – Your and Gore’s use of the word “consensus” is the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. As Gore says in his movie, “the science is in.” But the science is never truly in. Consensus is dynamic, not static. It matters not one wit if all the respected scientists but one believe X to be true, if that one can prove she is correct and they are mistaken. The longevity of the consensus (think of geocentrism) is similarly irrelevant when considering veracity. Individual innovators with no credentials to speak of have made discoveries that, after initial resistance from professionals, eventually are accepted as standard truth.

    In the Soviet Union, the scientific consensus was absolute: chromosomes did not exist, wheat could be transformed into rye, and bacteria made from crystals. Was the consensus right? Of course not. And yet, anyone who questioned that consensus quickly found that since the “science was in,” according to the socialist regime’s bureaucrats and propagandists, they, not the fallacies, would be dispensed with.

    Consensus is only meaningful insofar as its conclusions are valid. The debate is never ending. Thankfully, despite all crypto-communist/fascist attempts to cut off debate – for instance, labeling opponents “deniers,” as if the motivations of “climate change” movement critics is in any way analogous to the rank absurdity of those who the Holocaust – brilliant independent researchers, scientific skeptics, and free-thinkers have continued to raise questions, pursue and have published their own studies in peer-reviewed journals, and offer a vibrant intellectual challenge to received wisdom. The standard of scientific truth demands nothing less.

    Who, you might ask? Individuals like Freeman Dyson. The 2nd to last issue of the Atlantic had a disgusting hit piece on him that huffily proclaimed “In the range of his genius, Freeman Dyson is heir to Einstein—a visionary who has reshaped thinking in fields from math to astrophysics to medicine, and who has conceived nuclear-propelled spaceships designed to transport human colonists to distant planets…. How could someone as smart as Dyson be so dumb about the environment?” The current issue contains a beautiful rejoinder, which is quote in its entirety:

    “I have known, and occasionally worked with, Freeman Dyson for 36 years. His most distinguishing characteristic, even more than raw brainpower, is his absolute intellectual integrity. He will follow a path of reasoning wherever it leads, even if the conclusion is not what he expected or wanted to find. I know that he always has very good reasons for his conclusions, and that if I disagree, I had better have very strong arguments to support my disagreement!

    Kenneth Brower’s attempted intellectual assassination fails this test. The physics of greenhouse-gas warming has been understood for more than a century. Whether warming is a threat is, however, entirely subjective. Brower defines any anthropogenic effect on climate as necessarily bad, and likely catastrophic. Dyson considers the question open, and points to at least one region (sub-Arctic Greenland) where the effect appears to be favorable. It is not possible to challenge with logic or scientific evidence the quasi-religious revealed truth of environmentalism. The crime of which Dyson is accused is that of taking a skeptical scientific attitude to the question. Without more evidence and a better definition of what is good or bad, it is impossible to decide whether climate change is something to be feared or welcomed, or something to which we should remain indifferent.

    Jonathan Katz
    Professor of Physics
    Washington University
    St. Louis, Mo.( http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/03/letters-to-the-editor/8382/)”

    When asked about a Nazi petition of one hundred or so “Aryan” physicists who had reached a consensus that his theories could be disregarded as merely “Jewish science,” Einstein is said to have answered with two questions: “Why a hundred? If I were wrong, surely one would have been enough?”

    “But you choose to reject that consensus because it doesn’t support your beliefs.” – Nonsense. I fully accept the mainstream positions that the climate has and continues to change, our knowledge of the climate is limited, evolution has always involved species thriving or dying out in response to climatic changes, and that humans have proven themselves best suited to adaptation (consider how Holland has reacted to dramatically rising sea levels… for centuries).

    What is most interesting is how you, as President “all the economists agree” Obama, Gore, and those likeminded, cannot tolerate a single voice of dissent. Moreover, while you speak of a consensus on the climate changing (as it always does), “climate change” believers refuse to acknowledge that, even among scientists convinced of “anthropogenic climate change,” absolutely no consensus exists on how to react (if at all) to these changes. Is it even possible, to say nothing of desirable, to control something as complex and poorly understood as the climate?

    The basic evidentiary threshold has not been met. Government planners have failed to eliminate poverty in the greatest superpower the world has ever known and with decades of time and nearly endless cash at their disposal with which to have done it. If things of lesser complexity escape our supposed betters, how can they be expected to get the climate right? How do we even define right? What are the trade-offs (opportunity costs) of addressing climate change? If the climate is not supposed to change, what is it to do? What are the intended and unintended consequences of interfering with natural processes that no one fully understands? As Hayek wrote: “The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”

    None of the existing proposals address such essential questions. “Climate Change” believers take it for granted that “climate change” justifies massive government intervention to command-and-control the economy, and thus sacrifice individual civil and economic liberty on the altar of gaia.

    The completely centralized economies of the Soviet Union, its satellites, and Maoist China were human as well as ecological nightmares. Where is the empirical data supporting the notion that curtailing economic freedom with eco-protectionism will turn out differently this time? Or that government is capable of manipulating global temperatures (again, how do we know what temperature is optimal?)? And what about the real-world costs of such policies, including loss of liberty, decreasing standards of living, and the premature deaths of hundreds of millions in poor countries? The Copenhagen Consensus is addressing just these kinds of inquires, and has found that the negative consequences of government intervention are worse than the real impact of changed climate, even if the direst of projections are to be believed. What about this consensus? Or is it you, not I, who will be rejecting their conclusions because it does not neatly fit your faith-based beliefs in, as Gov. Daniel’s is quoted above, history’s presumed “leftward ratchet, moving in fits and starts but always in the direction of a more powerful state.”

    “But ‘academics and research analysts’ evaluating financial documents (which only include information private companies want others to see, while burying the rest) are more reliable?” – Obfuscation. As I wrote, “academics and research analysts… lie [or, and I should add, are mistaken], too, of course, but when you have multiples studies all arriving at a number in the same ball park, the confidence interval increases.”

    “Respected accounting firms supposedly audited companies such as Enron, HCA, Lehman Brothers and others. How accurate were those analysts? Not to mention there is plenty of academic research that leaves a lot to be desired. Academia is not the only reliable source of information or research. All research needs to be independently verified or replicable. But government-sponsored research is no more or less reliable then [sic] any other type of research. Questioning prevailing wisdom is one thing, rejecting verified scientific research is anti-intellectual, which would go against the principles you say you uphold.” – I agree with all this and will defer to the readers to judge whether you or your humble servant is serving the anti-intellectual cause.

  43. 43 portia1776

    Chris,

    “If you’re keeping score at home, that is 3 Judges ruling in favor of the Act, and 2 against. So Portia, it looks like you’ll be waiting a little longer for that apology.” — As in science, all that matters is for a single judge to rule that Obamacare is unconstitutional in toto. Judge Vinson has done just that. The “score” is meaningless. Until such time as his masterful ruling is stayed pending appeal, Obamacare is null and void. At least two state governors are refusing to implement Obabamare. More will hopefully join them.

    No one — this administration’s best lawyers, these judges who have upheld the mandate on the basis of thin air, all the special interests who drafted and stand to gain by implementation, Jez, or you — has offered anywhere approaching a legitimate argument to justify the unConstitutional power of the national government to force individual Americans to buy a defective product (health insurance) from President Obama’s corporate cronies (health insurance companies).

    “I eagerly await your apology, now that the entire monstrosity has been found in a court of law unconstitutional and, in the words of Judge Roger Vinson, is entirely ‘void.’” – Which is still true, despite this ruling on a separate challenge. If 48 more judges uphold the mandate, it will remain unConstitutional. It is so far beyond the pail, that the Supreme Court can strike it down without touching a single precedent (though I sincerely hope they won’t miss the opportunity to revisit the relevant unConstitutional rulings of their predecessors).

  44. 44 portia1776

    George,

    “I do lean toward’s Portia’s financial ideological perspective.” — Thank you!

    “However, I admit to being more bleeding heart than Portia
    is likely to admit to being.” — That is probably true. I think we may also agree that individual economic liberty and free-market capitalism is more compassionate, because effective, than most of what is commonly mistaken to be bleeding heart (consider the abysmal “War on Poverty.”)

    “Portia and Phin are hard, but not heartless.” – Depends on your definition of bleeding heart. Some might say that Social Security is a bleeding hearth program. I would counter that it is flagrantly immoral and a cruel fraud perpetrated on the American people. Social Security is not insurance, you are not entitled to it, there is no trust fund, it is unsustainable… the list goes on.

    Prof. Boudreaux has an excellent new letter on the subject:

    “[President Obama’s] Budget director Jacob Lew assures us that Social Security is solvent because the Social Security ‘trust fund’ contains lots of U.S. Treasury bonds ‘backed with the full faith and credit of the U.S. government – and are held in reserve for when revenue collected is not enough to pay the benefits due’ (“Social Security isn’t the problem,” Feb. 22).

    Yes, the Social Security ‘trust fund’ is indeed filled with ample quantities of interest-bearing U.S. treasuries. But the same organization (Uncle Sam) that is the creditor on these treasuries is also the debtor on them. Ask: when Uncle Sam cashes in these treasuries to get funds to pay promised Social Security benefits, who pays Uncle Sam the principal and interest on these treasuries? Answer: Uncle Sam – who must, of course, raise taxes on flesh-and-blood people to get the dollars that he pays to himself so that he can then pay out promised Social Security benefits.

    I.O.U.s written to one’s self are not assets. They are, instead, pathetic reminders of one’s gross financial irresponsibility.

    Bernie Madoff is in jail – rightly so – for duping people with the same sort of financial flim-flammery that the White House budget director today peddles in your pages.

    Sincerely,
    Donald J. Boudreaux (http://cafehayek.com/2011/02/why-do-we-take-these-people-seriously-exhibit-34577.html)”

    If you click on the link, there is an update with a quote from President Clinton’s final budget proposal telling this very same inconvenient truth about Social Security. As I have said many times before, posterity is probably going to be very kind to President Clinton, by far the best of the last four presidents on free trade and economic policy.

  45. 45 jezebel282

    Portia,

    In your arguments searching for universal truths, sometimes you ignore reality. Let us remember our basic Logic 101. It is not universal if an exception exists. Your arguments appear convincing on “paper” but tend to fail in real world examples. The trouble with that is that we (OK, most of us) live in the real world not a paper one.

    “I would counter that it is flagrantly immoral and a cruel fraud perpetrated on the American people.”

    “immoral”? I hope you mean “immoral” because Congress treated the trust fund as their private piggy bank and not because it exists at all.

    Here is a story, it happens to be a true one. It is not cut and copied from another site. Every word is mine.
    I know of a woman born in the mid-1920’s. She was born into a family of seventeen (count ’em, 17!) brothers and sisters. Clearly, that was not her fault. When she was 6 years old, Congress passed the Social Security Act of 1933. Why do you think that was? Could it be that most people had their savings completely wiped out? She then grew up in the midst of the worst Depression in U.S. history. In the 40’s she met and married her husband who served, fought and survived two wars and a couple of revolutions. While working she also raised three children. By herself mostly. Needless to say, she did not have the time nor funds to acquire a college degree (no Pell grants/FAFSA in the 40’s). After her husband died, she struggled on with whatever work she could do. By the time she had reached her mid 70’s, work was not a viable option. The only income she received was her meager Social Security check on the 3rd of every month.

    So what? My question is how do you tell these millions of seniors (and soon to be seniors) that the promise that was made to them is now null and void? Do you tell them that according to the Constitution the government had no right to take the that money out of their paychecks but now it’s gone and good luck? Do you cancel Medicare too? After all, they won’t be a problem for very much longer after they stop medical treatments. How about the younger but disabled recipients? Do you tell them to exercise more so they have the upper body strength to get those wheelchairs up the ramp?

    Maybe the above story is not relevant. I think it is, but I could be wrong. But that is what I read as the result. It is the same result I hear when the GOP leadership says they are cutting heating assistance, MedicAid, rent subsidies and food stamps. I see seniors and children shivering, people dying from lack of medical care and many going hungry. In the meantime, large businesses will receive bigger tax breaks and pocket the increased profits or distribute larger dividends.

    But hey, that’s just me.

  46. 46 phineast

    Jez- Social security is not necessarily a “redistribution” of wealth. People contribute into it….by mandate. There are many people out there that have contributed into the SS system that never have the opportunity to reap the rewards of having done so, meager as they are.
    The Welfare system of entitlements is an entirely different beast. That is a redistribution of others wealth. Even in the short term. Understand that I support a SHORT term helping hand to people-but long term in the welfare system NO!!!!!!!
    That is where, personally, I feel my rights are being violated.
    Have you ever gone to a welfare office? You should go down to the agency and take a gander-it is not about taking care of kids. The system is far too corrupt for that-and I am talking about the users of the system. Go to the Mall on check day and just observe-call it a social experiment…..it will infuriate you as much as it has me and millions of others.
    This is not about the disabled or the children-it is about the abusers and cheaters which make up about half of the Welfare system if not more. That is what needs to be fixed.

  47. 47 phineast

    A letter recently was sent to Barack by an ER doc named Starner Jones. I though Jez and Portia would find the 4 paragraph letter interesting-most important-it is the honest truth about what really needs fixing in America.

    Dear Mr. President:
    During my shift in the Emergency Room last night, I had the pleasure of evaluating a patient whose smile revealed an expensive shiny gold tooth, whose body was adorned with a wide assortment of elaborate and costly tattoos, who wore a very expensive brand of tennis shoes and who chatted on a new cellular telephone equipped with a popular R&B ring tone. While glancing over her patient chart, I noticed that her payer status was listed as “Medicaid”! During my examination of her, the patient informed me that she smokes more than one costly pack of cigarettes every day and somehow still has money to buy pretzels and beer.
    And, you and our Congress expect me to pay for this woman’s health care?? I contend that our nation’s “health care crisis” is not the result of a shortage of quality hospitals, doctors or nurses. Rather, it is the result of a “CRISIS OF CULTURE”, a culture in which it is perfectly acceptable to spend money on luxuries and vices while refusing to take care of one’s self or, Heaven forbid purchase health insurance.
    It is a culture based on the irresponsible credo that “I can do what ever I want to because someone else will take care of me”.
    One you fix this “CULTURE CRISIS” that rewards irresponsibility and dependency, you will be amazed at how quickly our nation’s health care difficulties will dissappear.
    Respectfully,
    STARNER JONES, MD

    Very hard to argue with this perspective-I won’t because I totally agree-and see it first hand across many venues.

  48. 48 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Have you ever gone to a welfare office? ”
    Why yes. Yes I have. But just the one on 925 Housatonic Avenue. I haven’t been to the others.

    “You should go down to the agency and take a gander-it is not about taking care of kids.”
    You mean aside from the elderly and disabled people on line with me? I’m leaving out the infants and children since you already excluded them. If you ask me, and you probably won’t, the people I saw need all the help they could get.
    (I was there as POA for someone who simply could not physically get there).

    “it is about the abusers and cheaters which make up about half of the Welfare system if not more.”
    That sounds like a complaint about the efficiency of the system not the people who truly need the assistance.
    I disagree that it is a “redistribution of wealth”. It is certainly just as critical as a $900 toilet or a $10,000 congressional “fact finding” mission to Maui.

    Here is what I find to be the most disturbing aspect of it; those who truly need it are unaware of the programs our government has to offer. It really does make a huge difference in the quality of life. In fact, if anyone caring for someone is reading this, they should call The Aging Services Division
    It responds to inquiries, providing information about programs and services available to older adults and their families. The Division also makes referrals to local providers.

    To reach the Aging Services Division call toll-free in-state: 1-866-218-6631

    Anyone else should call: 1-800-842-1508

  49. 49 cstratct

    Portia,

    Despite your insults, I have a clear understanding of logic. It is illogical to claim consensus on one topic is insufficient (climate change) while at the same time stating “when you have multiples studies all arriving at a number in the same ball park, the confidence interval increases.” You point out that studies vary widely with respect to the cost of drug development, so simply taking the average of widely divergent studies is not a compelling or intellectually rigorous approach. And one study coming in at $115 million and another at $1.7 billion is hardly the “same ball park.” It would be easier to argue that there is little consistency in the development costs because not all drugs start at the same point. There may be existing research that allows researchers to avoid certain costs. That is just one example.

    As for the climate change issue, you cite one individual who actually believes “[o]ne of the main causes of warming is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere resulting from our burning of fossil fuels such as oil and coal and natural gas.” He disagrees about the the long-term effects, but he does not deny that burning fossil fuels is a main cause of warming. He discusses environmental impact, but has little if anything to say about the direct impact upon the human body. He is also in the minority when it comes to his beliefs and evaluations of the impact of climate change. Here again, consensus goes against his conclusions. You appear to accept his hypothesis because it supports your position, just as others look at the many studies that show climate change having a harmful impact on our environment and humans.

    As you have pointed out previously, any action can have both positive and negative effects, along with intended and unintended consequences. We can debate what actions should be taken to reduce the human impact on climate change, but denying the occurrence of climate change (which some still do, not sure if you’re in that group) is to reject scientific consensus. That is anti-intellectual.

    Regarding the health care law, stating it is unconstitutional doesn’t make it so. Two judges have ruled it unconstitutional. Three other judges have ruled it constitutional. “U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler, a 1994 appointee of President Bill Clinton, declared that Congress had the authority under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution to enact the contentious 2010 law, which requires individuals to purchase health insurance starting in 2014. In rejecting an argument by the law’s challengers, she said that an individual’s decision not to purchase health insurance was an active choice impacting the cost of health insurance for everyone else.” By declaring that Congress has the authority, isn’t she upholding the constitutionality of the law? Regardless of your belief that the interpretation is wrong, these three judges are saying, in effect, that the law is constitutional.

    Along those lines, do you believe it is unconstitutional for states to require individuals to purchase car insurance? Many states have this requirement. Would it be different if states were allowed to require the purchase of health insurance rather than the federal government? I’m not trying to be antagonistic. It seems to me states are already employing this type of mandate with respect to car insurance. So would you find it acceptable if states were to require the purchase of health insurance rather than the federal government?

  50. 50 1george1

    Chris, are you really asking me to condescend once more?

    “I see Portia is once again putting words in other people’s mouths”
    – I wouldn’t do that… it’s non-hygienic.

    “Where did I (or anyone) say anything close to the drivel you’re spouting?
    That’s right, no one said anything of the sort.” –
    It was quite obviously (note the 😉 )

    GEORGE: Portia – I have to admit I smiled on the above insults.
    You have succeeded in stirring the pot …. 🙂

    PORTIA: George,

    “I do lean toward’s Portia’s financial ideological perspective.”
    — Thank you! GEORGE (U R Welcomed)

    “However, I admit to being more bleeding heart than Portia
    is likely to admit to being.” — That is probably true.
    I think we may also agree that individual economic liberty and
    free-market capitalism is more compassionate, because effective,
    than most of what is commonly mistaken to be bleeding heart
    (consider the abysmal “War on Poverty.”)

    Some guy named Thomas Jefferson quotes:
    “Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.”

    “If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I,
    & Congress and Assemblies, Judges & Governors, shall all become wolves.
    It seems to be the law of our general nature,
    in spite of individual exceptions.”

    “It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.”

    “Portia and Phin are hard, but not heartless.”
    – Depends on your definition of bleeding heart.
    Some might say that Social Security is a bleeding hearth program.
    I would counter that it is flagrantly immoral and a cruel fraud
    perpetrated on the American people.
    Social Security is not insurance, you are not entitled to it,
    there is no trust fund, it is unsustainable… the list goes on.

    GEORGE: Due to actuarial and inflationary changes Social Security
    is something of a PONZI SCHEME, closer to Defined CONTRIBUTION,
    than Defined BENEFIT Pensions.
    The Trust Fund was raided, with cases made for abuse (graft) and for
    use to have assets, produce increased revenues sources / r o i.
    If there were sustainable r. o. i. of 10 % per annum, while suppressing
    inflation …. Portia …. hypothetically, would that enhance sustaiability?
    > Hypothetically is different than political realities.
    However, I read someplace about PROMOTING the “GENERAL WELFARE”
    and a “MORE PERFECT UNION.”
    I also read something about a SOCIAL CONTRACT, ENLIGHTENED SELF
    INTEREST, and “JUST CONCENT of the GOVERNED.”

    The CONSTITUTION’S Article VII about RAT-IFICATION by STATES, who
    are REPRESENTED by the VOTING PEOPLE, make the DOCUMENT a
    “conditional document,” with 8 specific articulated specific rights.
    It also has UNARTICULATED peoples’ and states’ RIGHTS.

    —–

    PHIN, to rail about Welfare Fraud related to a couple thousand per
    low income people, does ADD UP to significant losses.

    HOWEVER – They are completely inconsequential when measured against:

    OIL-GAS-COAL welfare transferring TENS to HUNDRED of TRILLIONS of $$,
    including to WALL STREET / WAR machinations.

    I have to give PORTIA props at blaming all political parties and factions.

    I have to give CHRIS props for rejoining the good fight

    I give JEZE & PHIN props for posting their opinions in this string.

    I give the ladies props for posting about THEIR PRIORITIES – their
    children and education, with which Jeze has provided forums,
    and relented from closed minded “relevancy concerns.” 😉 8)

  51. 51 phineast

    Jez- you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

    Clearly there are some people that have a genuine need. This was never DESIGNED to be a long term program. It was to help people get back on their feet. Unfortunately that is not what is happening. People are using it as a permanent paycheck so they don’t have to work on a declarative end. There comes a point in time when you have to review each case-which is what they are claiming to do- and just say no to some of the people.
    The very elderly and infirm or the very young, yes– but there has to be a better way to manage things.
    I agree with you about the other wasteful spending that occurs in government-but that is not what we were discussing. In this age of computers-the only fact finding that should be done is on the internet….it would save a bundle and then some–but we have to work on one policy at a time- and the redistribution of wealth is directly linked to the social programs-many of which reward total irresponsibility and indulge dependency.
    Why the hell should anyone work if the government is going to give a free ride???

  52. 52 1george1

    PHIN: Why the hell should anyone work if the government
    is going to give a free ride???

    GEORGE: Why the hell should anyone Obey the LAW if the
    people in government / parties are going to steal everything???

    Government has powers of coersion.

    If everyone has no respect for rule of law, nor fair play …

  53. 53 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Jez- you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.”

    So be it, my friend.

    “People are using it as a permanent paycheck so they don’t have to work on a declarative end.”

    You seem awfully anxious to kick everyone off any kind of support without a plan. I can only see the results as starvation and exposure.

    Perhaps you know of someone hiring right now?

  54. 54 1george1

    PORTIA: The physics of greenhouse-gas warming has been understood for more than a century. Whether warming is a threat is, however, entirely subjective. Brower defines any anthropogenic effect on climate as necessarily bad, and likely catastrophic. Dyson considers the question open, and points to at least one region (sub-Arctic Greenland) where the effect appears to be favorable. It is not possible to challenge with logic or scientific evidence the quasi-religious revealed truth of environmentalism.

    GEORGE: The Scientific community claims there was an ICE AGE about
    21,000 years ago covering much of North / Mid – North America,
    The ICE coverings have receeded since then.
    There are archiological digs finding ancient whole cities near oceans,
    seas, and rivers, due to melting snow and rising water.
    (“SHADES of WATERWORLD, Batman!”)

    I note carbon emissions from industrial revolution didn’t start until under
    200 years ago.
    And as much as I dislike Rockefeller spOILS system, they only took control
    of all U. S. Refineries by about 1880.

    Ralph Nader was AL GORE and MICHAEL MOORE before they plagarized and
    customized his positions.

    Nader usually asks the right questions. I disagree with certain answers.

    Wikipedia Nader and find his Raider’s list of Legislative Enactments, puts
    every LEGISLATOR to SHAME.

    Yes, PORTIA can rail about some of the economic ramiications. However
    if the lives saved were PORTIA’S SPOUSE or CHILDREN … WHAT PRICE…?
    NONE… !!!

    There are also COST ANALYSIS BENEFITS associated with SAVING LIVES and
    REDUCING property losses. That which PUBLIC SAFETY does.

    However, it is PRIVATE INDUSTRY relegated to RAISING WEALTH.
    PUBLIC SECTOR is relegated to SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURES relative
    to balances of power in PRIVATE SECTOR WEALTH CREATION.
    WIKIPEDIA > LAFFER CURVE – The balance between OVER/UNDER TAXATIONS!

  55. 55 1george1

    Sorry PHIN – I have to agree with JEZE post # 53.

    JEZE made you look like Ebeneezer Scrooge or
    Marie (let em eat cake) Antonette.

    As hard hearted and rigidly ideological as PORTIA
    is, your frustrations and targets which your write
    about read as though it is inconsistent with the
    good things you have done as a volunteer.

    WHERE THE HECK is SUDDS?
    Anyone heard from SUDDS and ROCKI?

    MIKE R + RON do not appear interested in these subjects?
    Yet SUDDS has an MBA ….

    PORTIA – In part because of your asture obversevations about
    national, state, and local issue, and superb critique on Kevin
    Kelly’s musings in the Stratford Star, I am curious about your
    opinions of Harkins & major staff, (Member by member)
    Cornish & major staff, (Member by member)
    the TOWN ATTORNEYS from 1990s-2011 (Member by member)
    the Town Council? (Member by member)
    the BoE? (Member by member)
    the RTC? (Member by member)
    the DTC? (Member by member)
    Past Town Councils? (Member by member)
    Past BoEs? (Member by member)

    I take it for granted, PORTIA, that you have read my meandering
    musings in the STAR, POST, BLOG, and PUBLIC FORUMS.

    Where would you suggest are my:
    Strengths?
    Weaknesses?
    Corrrectable attributes?

    What would you identify as my primary OBJECTIVES, GOALS, INTENTS,
    TACTICS, STRATEGIES, METHODS, PATTERNS, MO, WAYS, and MEANS?

    Do you consider those worthy or unworthy?

    I admit, I refuse to dumb down and be grammarically correct!

    I want to pack diverse, yet connectable, information in 500 words.
    My intent is to try to get people to GOOGLE and THINK.
    My intent is to be ambiguous and vague for legal and tactical reasons.
    My intent is to be multilateral, trying to identify vertical organizations.
    My intent is to educate towards peaceful evolution with my medicinal
    typing and verbage.
    I try to deconstruct, decrypt, analyse, and compose that which intelligent,
    reasonable, and enlighted would agree, while those diogenes lantern would
    never shine upon can delight in stealing for their own benefit and even do
    good inadvertently while actuating or reifying self interests.
    I try not to lie, nor be deceptive nor manipulative. Yet … there are times,
    places, and situations.

    Those are my perceptions of myself.
    I suspect different people perceive me differently.

    I thrive on FEED BACK, SMOKE, MIRROR IMAGINE, and BLOW BACK.

    The same way the damn fool FBI thought they BUGGED certain people in
    ORDER to MANIPULATE those others, knowing enemes mine has allowed me
    some level of being able to manipulate them ….. towards intuitive, logical,
    and emotionally satisfying beneficence ….
    away from counterintuitive, counter logical, schadenfreude phychic
    gratification, using altruistic repudiatiation and punishment to frame
    adverse psychologicial reactions.

    I read a ranking counter intelligence officer was being interviewed by
    his rank superior.
    Counterintelligence is purportedly the ultimate chess and poker game,
    since the contrary natures of alternatives lead to more
    contrary natures of alternatives lead to more
    contrary natures of alternatives lead to more
    contrary natures of alternatives lead to more

    ANYWAY …

    The superior (# 1) asked the RANK SUBORDINATE (# 2) about the possibility
    that # 2 would D E F E C T to the enemy?

    RANK SUBORDINATE (# 2) mulled the idea, smiled, and said ….
    MAYBE I SHOULD?
    I have gone as high as I can go in THIS organization …..

    It took a couple hours for RANK SUBORDINATE (# 2) to convince his
    superior (# 1) that he was kidding.

    I suspect ONLY PORTIA might L O L?
    Maybe Chris and Jeze?

  56. 56 phineast

    George-
    It’s ok to equate me to Ebenezer-he had redeemable qualities.

    Jez-I would still prefer to be able to choose myself exactly whom I wish to share my hard earned money with…I still personally believe that much of the welfare rolls are lazy money grabbers-not those who have temporarily fallen on hard times. Just going by what I have witnessed and been exposed to.
    You are correct that a plan needs to be in place and they had better think of one soon as the money well is dry…or all those babies and elderly and sick will be out in the cold and starving-as for the able bodied that have been on welfare for more than a few years-they need to lose weight ….j/k

  57. 57 1george1

    PHIN: George-
    It’s ok to equate me to Ebenezer-he had redeemable qualities.

    GEO: Phin, my point was that your past actions about which
    you justifiable are proud, show you are better than the way
    your post read.

    PHIN: Jez-I would still prefer to be able to choose myself
    exactly whom I wish to share my hard earned money with

    GEORGE: Legit point.

    PHIN: …I still personally believe that much of the
    welfare rolls are lazy money grabbers-
    not those who have temporarily fallen on hard times.
    Just going by what I have witnessed and been exposed to.

    GEORGE: Legit point.
    Conversely … You have made similar points about some of
    the DTC + RTC.
    the CT.DC + CT.RC
    the DNC + RNC
    Wall Street / Oil – others

    PHIN: You are correct that a plan needs to be in place

    GEORGE: Who makes the plan?
    The same people who raise surrogates to be elected or
    rank government, corp, private sector?

    PHIN: and they had better think of one soon as the
    money well is dry…

    GEORGE: Far from true.
    True locally & state wide, so far.
    Nationally – Internationally – NOT an END IN SIGHT!
    Virtually LIMITLESS RESOURCES, which only PORTIA
    “may” understand.

    PHIN: or all those babies and elderly and sick
    will be out in the cold and starving

    GEO: TOO TRUE of an EXISTING REALITY for FAR too many!

    PHIN: – as for the able bodied that have been on welfare
    for more than a few years

    GEO: For 1.5 years I worked for a TEMP SERVICE.
    Men were paid $ 6.90 / hour.
    Minimum wage went up to $ 7.10 / hour.
    > They had to get to our office 5:30 – 6:00 – 6:30 am.
    If they had a car and driver license, 99 % we could place.
    Few had cars.
    Most had “criminal records,” which precluded from some jobs.
    MOST EMPLOYERS + AGENCIES refuse to hire those with records.
    Buses don’t run until about 6:00 am.
    Snow, Rain, Wind, sub freezing, withering heat.
    >Sometimes we had jobs for 40 people.
    Mostly we had jobs for 15 – 25.
    Mostly we had 25 to 45 men show looking for work.
    We needed more workers than positions, just in case.
    A> few had locked in some of the jobs, and were constantly
    on the same job.
    > We only had a couple of women apply and be placed, mostly
    related to kitchen cleaning.
    > Many came to work, by FOOT. Hang around for 3 hours.
    And be turned back for lack of work.
    > Our work mandated “pay” for a “minimum of 4 hours.”
    Most jobs were 7.5 to 8.5 hours & pay.
    O. T. was rare.
    > We drove 1, 2, or 3 van to jobs, dropping off and picking up
    workers 15 minutes to and hour away.
    About $ 2.25 round trip was deducted.
    > Unless they had a car + license + insurance, we took them
    to the job and mostly took them back, trying to drop them
    nearer to homes, ONLY if it was on the WAY back to the office.

    (My boss was O B N O X I O U S and attacked a few times, with
    the am drivers always near the door to “run out,” IF, IF, IF)

    Most of the MEN worked harder in a DAY, than most of the readers
    of this blog E V E R worked in a week!
    Black … Hispanic …. White … Oriental

    Some were clean cut, no police record, no drugs, just needed a
    little cash from honest work.

    Some could buy 6 nickle bags for $25 on many street corners.
    Shaws, was nearby, and between my company and YALE.

    SHAWS was THE “ONLY” grocery store, where one could BUY “FRESH
    PRODUCE” in A L L of New Haven, BELOW I – 15

    Years ago, I was told by a BLACK MAN that he SOLD COCAINE in the
    PAST, so he could feed his family. He asked … HOW ELSE CAN A BLACK
    MAN make $ 1,000 a WEEK?

    I have been fortunate to have some assets and some talents where
    many of my income is related from referrrals and rehired, because
    I have some ability and track record of creating business opportunities
    to grow the client bases of businesses. I, t o o, am a pawn.

    I resist … I know what the “players” want of me … I resist …
    I know their agenda…. I have to use their agenda and show mirror
    imaging, because I have been there … done that …
    They pit us against each other, preying on our limited horizons
    and our biases. They are pretenders.
    NO MATTER what ANY BLOGGER thinks about being invulnerable and
    PART of the INNER PARTY and indispensible or secure … YOU AIN’T.
    – Time and again, I have seen very, very competent and intelligent
    people lose everything very quickly … millions … become homeless

    JEW, CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, MASON, SHRINER, MOSLEM, whatever,
    it does not matter.

    Political Giants sundered quickly, who thought they had control of
    their ORGANIZATION ….

    ROWLAND + GANIM ran for CT. GOVERNOR Newton, Perez, Giordano,
    (FBI investigated) Fabrizi, Testa, D. Miron, Lauretti, Scinto, Joe Walsh,
    Governors: Spitzer, McGrivy, Blagojevich, Mark Sanford
    Senate: Harrison Williams, Ted Stevens, Keating 5
    Congress: Mario Biaggi, Jim Traficant, Dan Rostenkowski
    Nixon, Agnew, Lyddy, Colson, Haldermann, Ehrlichman, Wilbur Mills,
    Tweed,

    PHIN: – they need to lose weight ….j/k

    GEORGE: HEY!!! ….. I r e s e m b l e THAT !! 😉

    See above about grocery stores, low income, poor education,
    lack of nutricianal knowledge, and poor familial support structure.

  58. 58 portia1776

    Portia,

    “It is illogical to claim consensus on one topic is insufficient (climate change) while at the same time stating…” — Chris, if you’re not going to read (or can’t understand?) what I write, what is the point of my responding?

    I don’t think I could be any clearer than “I fully accept the mainstream positions that the climate has and continues to change, our knowledge of the climate is limited, evolution has always involved species thriving or dying out in response to climatic changes, and that humans have proven themselves best suited to adaptation (consider how Holland has reacted to dramatically rising sea levels… for centuries).”

    Your unstated conclusions (government needs to command-and-control the economy to address “climate change”) do not follow from your flawed premises (“climate change” is necessarily and universally bad, solely caused by humans and thus amendable to human manipulation, and such manipulation would necessarily and universally be good and devoid of any negative consequences). There simply is no consensus, scientific or otherwise, on any of those points. It is fatuous on your part to invoke a scientific consensus that obviously does not exist and which could never justify the type of government intervention you support.

    “It would be easier to argue that there is little consistency in the development costs because not all drugs start at the same point. There may be existing research that allows researchers to avoid certain costs.” – Certainly. But why is this relevant? The consensus you accuse me of accepting on drug costs is that they are expensive. Again, “Do you deny this? Do you further deny that some profits from popular drugs are invested in private drug research?” As for “taking the average of widely divergent studies is not a compelling or intellectually rigorous approach” — do you have a better one? Why are you focused on so insignificant a point? Whether it is $115 million or $1.7 billion does not substantively change what I wrote either now or previously.

    Is it your implication that drug development is much cheaper than previously thought? Is so, are we to assume you think the tens of billions of taxpayer dollars spent by the NIH and other government agencies for such research is unnecessary? I don’t think that you have thought this attack through.

    “And one study coming in at $115 million and another at $1.7 billion is hardly the ‘same ball park.’” – It is the same ball park, one which has various prices but all of them expensive.

    “He disagrees about the the long-term effects, but he does not deny that burning fossil fuels is a main cause of warming.” – You write this as if I disagree with the general diagnosis. No, I just disagree with the “Progressive” prescription: Just a spoon for of “climate change” hysteria does not make the poison (socialism) go down.

    “He discusses environmental impact, but has little if anything to say about the direct impact upon the human body.” – What?! Don’t environmental changes have a “direct impact upon the human body”?

    “He is also in the minority when it comes to his beliefs and evaluations of the impact of climate change.” – As Einstein pointed out, whether one’s conclusions are in the majority or minority is irrelevant to their veracity. An absolute consensus in favor of falsehood against a minority of one does not make those who profess falsehood any less wrong.

    Where this consensus on impact? On your favorite policy responses? Right, there is none. The only consensus position is mine, as articulated twice above.

    “Here again, consensus goes against his conclusions.” – If I professed the nonsensical positions you falsely attribute to me… of course, I don’t profess them. Why don’t you get your facts straight? (I know, I expect too much of a chronic Mironite).

    “You appear to accept his hypothesis because it supports your position, just as others look at the many studies that show climate change having a harmful impact on our environment and humans.” – No, I don’t know if Dyson is right. I do know, however, that his opinion on impacts is no more false than those who claim dire consequences. It seems that some parts of the globe will benefit while others will suffer – or, in other words, the climate will continue to change as it has for billions of years and those inhabitants of this planet who wish to remains so will have to evolve to meet changing circumstances.

    “As you have pointed out previously, any action can have both positive and negative effects, along with intended and unintended consequences.” – Are we making progress?

    “We can debate what actions should be taken to reduce the human impact on climate change,” – Nope. The fatal conceit here is that humans can control the climate, even if it would be universally desirable. No climate control manipulation is probably the only responsible course of action. The Copenhagen Consensus suggests that, since poor countries will suffer most in the coming decades from climatic changes, steps should be taken now to mitigate impact in those places. Anyone who really care about the issue would be focused on helping those to be affected, rather than using it as a tawdry excuse for polices they couldn’t pass without a phony crisis.

    “denying the occurrence of climate change (which some still do, not sure if you’re in that group) is to reject scientific consensus.” – I am clearly not in that camp.

    “Regarding the health care law, stating it is unconstitutional doesn’t make it so. Two judges have ruled it unconstitutional. Three other judges have ruled it constitutional.” – This fallacy was refuted in my last response. Why do you consistently reassert a point that has been refuted as if it had not, and, without offering any rebuttal?

    “In rejecting an argument by the law’s challengers, [U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler] said that an individual’s decision not to purchase health insurance was an active choice impacting the cost of health insurance for everyone else.” – Is the best argument Obamacare supporters can devise that “inactivity = activity”? This would be laughable, if such a desecration of the Constitution would not result in the end of our Republic.

    Let us be clear, Chris; you’re saying that the Constitution empowers the national government to force individual Americans to purchase a product under penalty of force. What if a future majority in the national government wants to force everyone to buy guns? To buy GM cars? To purchase financial products from Goldman Sachs? If deciding not to engage in interstate commerce is equivalent to engaging in interstate commerce, there is no limit to the stupidity and evil that politicians can commit. The Constitution you wish to destroy is all that stands in the way of authoritarianism. Be careful what you wish for…

    “By declaring that Congress has the authority, isn’t she upholding the constitutionality of the law?” – What you refuse to understand is that there are multiple challenges to Obamacare, each with its own reasoning and plaintiffs, and that only one federal judge opposed is required to invalidate a law. While DoJ is seeking clarification on Judge Vinson’s declaratory statement accompanying the ruling (there is ambiguity as to its impact on implementation), Obamacare is, according to the judiciary, dead until the Supreme Court weighs in. Judge Kessler’s ruling has no legal bearing on Judge Vinson’s ruling.

    “Regardless of your belief that the interpretation is wrong, these three judges are saying, in effect, that the law is constitutional.” – This is not my “belief.” It is a fact. Obamacare is flagrantly unConstitutional. I would go so far as to say anti-Constitutional. Why don’t you read Judge Vinson’s ruling rather than cherry-picking soundbites from rulings that suit your pro-Big Brother bias?

    I offer an excerpt from Judge Vinson’s ruling:

    “…this case is not about whether the Act is wise or unwise legislation, or whether it will solve or exacerbate the myriad problems in our health care system. In fact, it is not really about our health care system at all. It is principally about our federalist system, and it raises very important issues regarding the Constitutional role of the federal government.

    James Madison, the chief architect of our federalist system, once famously observed:

    ‘If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.’

    The Federalist No. 51, at 348 (N.Y. Heritage Press ed., 1945) (‘The Federalist’). In establishing our government, the Founders endeavored to resolve Madison’s
    identified ‘great difficulty’ by creating a system of dual sovereignty under which
    ‘[t]he powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government
    are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are
    numerous and indefinite.’ The Federalist No. 45, at 311 (Madison); see also U.S.
    Const. art. I, § 1 (setting forth the specific legislative powers ‘herein granted’ to
    Congress). When the Bill of Rights was later added to the Constitution in 1791, the
    Tenth Amendment reaffirmed that relationship: ‘The powers not delegated to the
    United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States respectively, or to the people.’

    The Framers believed that limiting federal power, and allowing the ‘residual’ power to remain in the hands of the states (and of the people), would help ‘ensure protection of our fundamental liberties’ and ‘reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse.’
    See Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 458, 111 S. Ct. 2395, 115 L. Ed. 2d 410
    (1991) (citation omitted). Very early, the great Chief Justice John Marshall noted
    ‘that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the constitution is written.’
    Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137, 176, 2 L. Ed. 60 (1803).

    Over two centuries later, this delicate balancing act continues. Rather than being the mere historic relic of a bygone era, the principle behind a central government with limited power has ‘never been more relevant than in this day, when accretion, if not actual accession, of power to the federal government seems not only unavoidable, but
    even expedient.’ Brzonkala v. Virginia Polytechnic Institute, 169 F.3d 820, 826 (4th
    Cir. 1999) (en banc), aff’d sub nom, United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598, 120
    S. Ct. 1740, 146 L. Ed. 2d 658 (2000).”

    The whole thing is required reading for anyone who wishes to write intelligently on Obamacare: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM153_vin.html.

    “Along those lines, do you believe it is unconstitutional for states to require individuals to purchase car insurance? Many states have this requirement.” – Let us deconstruct this erroneous analogy.

    First, according to the Constitution, state governments are supposed to have more power than the federal government.

    Second, driving is a privilege, not a right. If someone wants to drive, they need to comply with the rules of the road – roads owned by… the people of a given state. If a person does not meet the criteria for, say, visual acuity, set by the duly elected representatives of the people, or, after having been granted the privilege to drive, someone proves themselves unworthy by getting caught, say, driving under the influence of alcohol, one’s ability to drive can be denied or revoked.

    Third, the insurance mandate is only applicable to those who purchase a vehicle and wish to drive it on public roads – in other words, people who engage in an activity in a particular area. If you don’t drive or drive only on your own property, state government cannot punish you for failing to purchase car insurance. As George Will has noted: “If someone holds a gun to your head and demands, ‘Don’t blink or I’ll shoot,’ you are doomed. But not if the demand is ‘Don’t drink or I’ll shoot.’”

    “Would it be different if states were allowed to require the purchase of health insurance rather than the federal government?” – Actually, yes, it makes a world of difference legally (see Madison, Federalist 45, above).

    “It seems to me states are already employing this type of mandate with respect to car insurance.” – Nope. See above.

    “So would you find it acceptable if states were to require the purchase of health insurance rather than the federal government?” – Yes, if one, several, or all states were to require the purchase of health insurance rather than the federal government, I would find it more defensible, with reference to the Constitution. Obstacles to such policies may still be rightly found in state constitutions.

  59. 59 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Jez-I would still prefer to be able to choose myself exactly whom I wish to share my hard earned money with”

    And I would like all of my tax dollars to go to medical research, education and job training programs not to buy yet another stealth bomber, prisons or credits for oil companies and banks. But I don’t get to choose, do I?

  60. 60 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Your arguments appear convincing on ‘paper’ but tend to fail in real world examples.” – My positions, however meritorious they are for being legal and having worked in practice wherever and whenever they have been tried, do not matter here. The real world in America for the last ten years has been the return of the kind of big government you favor — the US economic freedom ranking has fallen precipitously — and all we have to show for it is a loss of individual civil and economic liberty, insolvent entitlement programs, unsustainable debt and deficits, and an administration determined to amass power and buy corporate crony support at our expense. The onus, my friend, is on you to explain why your beliefs have failed in practice. Why are things so bad when government is spending and doing so much?

    Let me refresh your memory (and this is by no means a complete list): “The USA PATRIOT Act of 2001,” “Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002,” “Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002,” “Homeland Security Act of 2002,” “Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002,” “Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003,” “Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002,” “Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003,” “Fairness to Contact Lens Consumers Act of 2003,” “America Creating Opportunities to Meaningfully Promote Excellence in Technology, Education, and Science Act of 2007,” “Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007,” “Economic Stimulus Act of 2008,” “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008,” “Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008,” “Troubled Asset Relief Program of 2008,” “Credit CARD Act of 2009,” “Travel Promotion Act of 2009,” “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, ” “Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act 2009,” and the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010.”

    In short, the size of the public sector, the number of regulations, the level of government spending at all levels, and the number of people dependent on government has never been higher. Nick Gillespie offers some much needed perspective on your “I can only see the results as starvation and exposure if not for government intervention” argument:

    “When you start looking at how budget crises affect government operations, you enter a real rabbit hole, I tells ya. Yes, everyone agrees, we’re spending too much money in the public sector and something’s gotta give. But what? Don’t you see that every goddman thing the government at all levels does is so essential that, really, when you start to look at it, absolutely nothing can be cut?

    In fact, when you look at the 60 percent increase in total federal outlays (in constant 2010 dollars or 104 percent in 2000 dollars) since Bill Clinton left office, the real question becomes: How the hell did we ever get by as a country without all that extra crap that’s been around for a decade or less? My memory is fading, but in the surplus year of 2000, didn’t we all live in old washing-machine boxes and prepare holiday dinners by cutting pictures of food out of grocery-store circulars? Sure, we were poor (by which I mean unprecedentedly wealthy) but at least we had each other (by which I mean the Internets) (http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/17/if-this-is-what-a-budget-crisi).”

    “The trouble with that is that we (OK, most of us) live in the real world not a paper one.” – So says an avatar who lives in a world of pixels 😉

    “I hope you mean ‘immoral’ because Congress treated the trust fund as their private piggy bank and not because it exists at all.” – No, I did not. Congress used Social Security as a public piggy bank, which is what it really is. On Constitutional grounds alone, Social Security should not exist and should have never been enacted. But I will confine my comments to why Social Security is in conception and practice immoral.

    I do not find it moral (non-exhaustive list) for…

    –the national government to forcibly take 12.4% of every worker’s yearly income for something they may not want and probably will never receive
    –worker’s to be lied to by the national government about what percentage of payroll tax they pay for “OSDI”: 12.4% not 6.2% of yearly income
    –Social Security to regressively tax workers, effectively redistributing money from low to upper income workers
    –Social Security to create inequity in that worker’s with lower than average life expectancies (African American men) are forced to pay 12.4% of their income in payroll taxes – money that, statistically speaking, they would be better off having the freedom to spend or save when younger;
    –Social Security to rely on the unfairness of expecting current workers to pay for the benefits of current retirees while claiming to be saving that money for their future benefit
    –Social Security to have originally been crafted by racist and sexist FDR Democrats to benefit their white and male constituents at the expense (literally) of African Americans and other minorities, and women
    –Social Security to have originally included the assumption that most Americans would never live long enough to collect it at 65 years of age when life expectancy was 61.7 years (59.9 years for men and 63.9 years for women)
    –government and Social Security’s supporters to dishonestly speak of Social Security as “insurance” when it is a horribly regressive tax, forced “contributions” are not legally yours, and that, unlike real private-sector insurance, the rate of return is non-existent and you cannot designate beneficiaries

    “Here is a story, it happens to be a true one.” – I would hope so!

    “When she was 6 years old, Congress passed the Social Security Act of 1933. Why do you think that was? Could it be that most people had their savings completely wiped out?” – According to Milton Friedman: “That’s a misconception, I believe, of what the historical circumstance was. There is no doubt that in the Great Depression of the ’30′s many people were not able to take care of themselves. Lots of them. But that wasn’t because they hadn’t been prudent, hadn’t saved, because there was a real problem providing for old age. That was because of the catastrophe called the Great Depression which was itself produced by government mismanagement. The Great Depression didn’t arise out of any natural flaw in the system. It arose because some wise men sitting around in Washington and down here on Wall Street in New York decided to follow policies which reduced the quantity of money by a third over four years, which drove this country into an utterly unnecessary depression. Now, given the conditions you were in ’33, given that the mistake had been made, I have no doubt that major social action was called for. And I really have no criticism to make of the emergency action which was undertaken at that time in the form of WPA, PWA direct relief. I think you had to do it at that time, given the state you were in [Note: I disagree on this point]. But Social Security isn’t one of those things. And I do not believe it can be demonstrated that in the absence of Social Security, any large number of elderly people would be unable to provide for themselves. But let’s look at that a little farther. Suppose that 5% of the elderly would not be able to provide for themselves. Does it make sense to impose a program on 100% of the people in order to do something about 5%? Does that really make sense? You see, that’s the great defect in this line of thinking — is that the ideas that have been behind the direction we’ve been going in, is that the people are children who have to be looked after by their paternal — by the intelligent intellectuals and governmental officials who can take care of them. Big Brother is in Washington, and he has to look after people. Now, I think it’s Big Brother who has to be looked after, and not the people (http://www.theopenmind.tv/searcharchive_episode_transcript.asp?id=494).”

    As he says elsewhere in the same interview, “The most fantastic piece of Madison Avenue salesmanship that has been done in the twentieth century has been the brilliant stroke of linking together a regressive payroll tax with a bad system of welfare payments, calling the two Social Security, and selling them as if they were a bundle.”

    “She then grew up in the midst of the worst Depression in U.S. history.” – Caused and worsened by the anti-free market polices of Presidents Hoover and Roosevelt.

    “In the 40′s she met and married her husband who served, fought and survived two wars and a couple of revolutions. While working she also raised three children. By herself mostly.” – Sounds like a wonderful woman.

    “Needless to say, she did not have the time nor funds to acquire a college degree (no Pell grants/FAFSA in the 40′s).” – Most people didn’t at that time. Those who did and couldn’t afford it had to earn merit-based scholarships. All government financing of higher education should be ended, but that is a topic for another discussion.

    “After her husband died, she struggled on with whatever work she could do. By the time she had reached her mid 70′s, work was not a viable option. The only income she received was her meager Social Security check on the 3rd of every month.” – It is indeed meager. But Social Security propaganda encourages people to believe a “guaranteed check” is coming their way. It discourages savings. It discourages prudent financial planning. Maybe she wouldn’t have done anything differently, and still would have found herself dependent on a hand-out. That in no way changes the morality of a program whose first monthly recipient, Ida May Fuller, paid a total of $24.75 in Social Security taxes before retiring in November 1939, and who went on to collect $22,888.92 in lifetime checks. Great for her, bad for the economy.

    “ My question is how do you tell these millions of seniors (and soon to be seniors) that the promise that was made to them is now null and void?” – What promise? I suggest you re-read the Social Security Act as well as the Warren Court’s ruling in Fleming v. Nestor. Legally, there never has been a promise. What you are referring to are decades of Social Security propaganda, which, I agree, has been appalling. A particularly disturbing aspect of that propaganda has been the use of Social Security recipients as human shields against any reform that might at least make this PAYGO time bomb actuarially sound – you know, to make sure that “these millions of seniors (and soon to be seniors)” might actually keep getting their checks.

    In a good Chris imitation (sorry, I know that hurts), you deliberately ignore my position and proceed to attack a straw woman: “Do you tell them that according to the Constitution the government had no right to take the that money out of their paychecks but now it’s gone and good luck? Do you cancel Medicare too?”

    You know very well that none of those questions is applicable to my position. As I wrote in a debate with you back on August 15th:

    “To be clear, before the fraudulent fear-mongers at such groups as the AARP and misnamed Committee to Protect Social Security and Medicare, chime in: senior citizens currently receiving Social Security or those near retirement age should continue to get what they are morally, but not legally, entitled to, perhaps with the additional option of a buyout. But there is no reason to continue requiring successive generations of Americans to surrender so much of their hard-earned income for one of the few financial programs that would stand to be improved if run as well as a Ponzi scheme, to their and America’s ultimate detriment (https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/leaving-money-on-the-table/#comment-13218).”

    “After all, they won’t be a problem for very much longer after they stop medical treatments.” – Jez, under Obamacare’s standardization and rationing regimes, that choice will be made for them.

    “How about the younger but disabled recipients? Do you tell them to exercise more so they have the upper body strength to get those wheelchairs up the ramp?” – Don’t you think this is going a little too far? Don’t you think that you are attributing a bit too much to the pittance a younger disabled recipient receives? Are you completely uninformed on the history of private eleemosynary (schools, equipment, support) that has been far more effective and beneficial and empowering for people with disabilities than dependency-breading,government handouts?

    “I see seniors and children shivering, people dying from lack of medical care and many going hungry.” – Jez, do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Do you realize how ahistorical this is?

    What about when, in practice, not theory, a massive entitlement program – Aid to Families with Dependent Children — was eliminated? President Clinton and the Republican Congress’ welfare reform, the “Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act,” was widely condemned. Dire predictions were offered by people with your “only big government can address social concerns” mindset. John Stossel has chronicled how “The New Republic wrote, ‘Families will fracture.’ Richard Gephardt was widely quoted as saying, ‘A million children will be forced into poverty.’ Everyone I worked with [at ABC news] certainly believed that. [Senator] Pat Moynihan said, ‘Trauma we haven’t known since the cholera epidemics will come.’” Well, what did happen? “the result of course is that not only have welfare caseloads fallen by half but 5 million people have been lifted out of poverty. Freedom works.” Eventually 8 million people got off welfare, the poverty rate decreased, and the conditions of the least among us actually increased.

    I suggest you keep this example in mind when scaremongering about what would happen if future generations of Americans – not current or soon-to-be seniors – are allowed to freely exercise their inalienable rights.

    “In the meantime, large businesses will receive bigger tax breaks and pocket the increased profits or distribute larger dividends.” – I am opposed to all “transfer” programs, whether to individuals or corporations.

  61. 61 portia1776

    Jez,

    “[Phineast] You seem awfully anxious to kick everyone off any kind of support without a plan. I can only see the results as starvation and exposure.” – While I wouldn’t presume to speak for Phineast, I can’t help but note your curious use of the word “plan,” as if society can so easily be designed and controlled. What Reagan said about those presumptions enough to think they could use the national government to plan the economy is more true now than it was in 1964: “For three decades, we’ve sought to solve the problems of unemployment through government planning, and the more the plans fail, the more the planners plan.”

    “Perhaps you know of someone hiring right now?” – http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/jjj/

  62. 62 portia1776
  63. 63 portia1776

    Jez,

    “And I would like all of my tax dollars to go to medical research, education and job training programs not to buy yet another stealth bomber, prisons or credits for oil companies and banks. But I don’t get to choose, do I?” — So you support real spending cuts and reforms that will cutout the middleman — government planners — so you can give more of your own money to private eleemosynary organizations that demonstrate to your satisfaction their efficacy in medical research, education and job training? Alternatively, if you mean being benevolent with other taxpayer’s money, your well-intentioned ends are at odds with your coercive means.

  64. 64 phineast

    Portia-I agree with post 61-I had actually complied a longer list than just the Craigs List-there are jobs out there-yes, there are, Jez. The issue is do the people applying have the skills, the background, and proper expectations. Much of the time they do not. A buddy of mine owns a recruiting firm, he says that for every opening he receives anywhere from 225-700 applications. Out of those applications maybe-and he reiterated just maybe 10 of them possess the skills and qualities an employer is looking for. He said the biggest problem is that in this current employment market-people “over value” themselves. In other words they expect too much in salary and bene’s. He also said that with the social media, many candidates sink themselves in stupidity-sometimes indirectly through their friends.
    To say jobs aren’t out there is a fallacy. Dream jobs may not be out there-but I can’t wait until Friday, pay the basic bills jobs are indeed out there.

  65. 65 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “are at odds with your coercive means.”

    MY coercive means?

    “The real world in America for the last ten years has been the return of the kind of big government you favor”
    You think so? I seem to recall GOP cuts in almost every social program from Section 8 to HeadStart. I also seem to recall huge spending cuts in regulatory agencies like the FDA and SEC. I remember the repeal of Glass-Steagall allowing banks to take our money to the casino with no danger of losing.

    “Why are things so bad when government is spending and doing so much?”
    For the same reason you don’t give someone $1,000 in spending money without requiring receipts. The money gets spent and you have no idea where or how. I don’t believe I have ever stated that government (at any level) was honest and trustworthy. Even here in Stratford, budgets are passed and money taken from us without any accounting whatsoever. The process is ridiculous. Miron proved that. It hasn’t gotten any better. In fact, maybe worse. Harkins promoted a person who wasn’t qualified to be CFO under Miron to be…wait for it…CFO. But I digress.

    “Maybe she wouldn’t have done anything differently, and still would have found herself dependent on a hand-out.”
    Whoa! Hold on there, Buckaroo! “Hand-out”? Can you explain that one, please? Your rhetoric can be misunderstood. She paid into a system for 50 years. When did it become a “hand-out”? Her SS check put her below the poverty level. Had she taken her money and placed it in the market instead, it is doubtful she would have any left when it plummeted down to the 700’s. As many people who have IRA’s, 401K’s, Roth’s know painfully well.

    “So says an avatar who lives in a world of pixels”
    I did say “MOST OF US”.

    “you deliberately ignore my position and proceed to attack a straw woman:”
    I don’t believe it was deliberate. Sometimes your posts can be…ummm…lengthy. I believe I read that your position was that Social Security is immoral. The example I gave was about morality.

    “I see seniors and children shivering, people dying from lack of medical care and many going hungry.” – Jez, do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Do you realize how ahistorical this is? ”
    Ridiculous? I see it nearly every day. When LEAP gets cut by the GOP, do you think UI, SCG, Santa Fuel, CL&P will make up the difference? I don’t. Do YOU check off the box on your bill and kick in a dollar? I think there will be a lot of very cold seniors next winter.
    There just aren’t enough private eleemosynary organizations to handle it.

  66. 66 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “To say jobs aren’t out there is a fallacy. Dream jobs may not be out there”

    I looked over that list too. There were a preponderance of jobs requiring licensing or advanced degrees. And depending on where you lived, you may not be able to afford to get back & forth to the job given what it pays.
    But that is always the case. You can’t take a train that cost you $33 for a part time job paying $8.50/hour

    “for every opening he receives anywhere from 225-700 applications”
    This is more my point. I don’t think that most people overvalue themselves. I think it is more that they are desperate and apply to everything. Ten years ago when unemployment in CT was at 2%, your friend would be paying referral fees just to talk to a likely candidate.

  67. 67 1george1

    No time to react to Portia’s list.

    I tended to agree with JEZE’S limited replies.
    First time ever: Jeze acknowledged Harkins did something that
    Miron would not have done, promoting CFO (Qalification?)

    Phin: Your head hunter friend has a select job with defined
    qualifications.
    I suspect the job applicants are likely more interested in getting
    their resume into the head hunter’s system rather than the actual
    job posted.

    If you watched the UTUBE video: SONY executive conference you
    would have picked up on the fact a certain percentage
    1) of today’s jobs, did not exist just 5 years ago.
    2) of jobs from 5 years from now, do not yet exist

    How long ago did you get your first HOME computer?
    – I suspect less then 15 years ago.

    How long ago did you first get the Internet?

    When did you first get an IPOD or THINK PAD?

    PHIN and PORTIA are likely very well established in their field,
    with a WEALTH of LEGITIMATE CONNECTIONS.

    I believe they are incapable of projecting themselves into the
    C I R C U M S T A N C E S of many of the unemployer and UNDER
    EMPLOYED, who escentially did factory type or manual or limited
    office type labor.

    Those people often were living paycheck to paycheck and had NO
    IDEA of how to FIND SKILLS, for JOBS that were yet to be created?

  68. 68 cstratct

    Portia: “Your unstated conclusions (government needs to command-and-control the economy to address “climate change”) do not follow from your flawed premises (“climate change” is necessarily and universally bad, solely caused by humans and thus amendable to human manipulation, and such manipulation would necessarily and universally be good and devoid of any negative consequences). There simply is no consensus, scientific or otherwise, on any of those points.”

    Once again you ascribe a position to me that I have not put forth. I never said the “government needs to command-and-control the economy to address climate change.” By the way, putting the phrase climate change in quotes certainly does allow for questioning of your position on the subject. First, I never said climate change is solely caused by humans. What we do know, and has been proven and accepted, even by people you choose to highlight in your rebuttals, is that human activity (like the burning of fossil fuels) does impact the environment. I separate the environment from the human body in this case because while the human body is part of the environment, the article I referenced talked about the effect on soil, air and water. He did not carry it out to the effects those changes in the elements have on the human body (i.e. erosion of the ozone leading to higher rates of skin cancer, higher asthma rates from the burning of fossil fuels without adequate safeguards, etc.).

    Scientific consensus has proven that human activity does impact the climate, and those changes in climate have led to increases in certain diseases. Beach erosion and rising sea levels may be less of a concern. We can all move inland, right? But if human activity (aside from naturally occurring change) is adversely affecting the environment, and reasonable regulations or steps can be taken to reduce the human impact on the environment, why shouldn’t we take steps to do so? And before you go on one of your rants about my desire for “unlimited federal government powers,” I hope you’ll make note of what I described above. Reasonable regulations, not “command-and-control.” Seriously, considering the damage done by some companies to the environment right in Stratford and neighboring towns, can you honestly deny the fact that responsible regulation is necessary? How many more government cleanups of toxic waste sites do we (the taxpayers) have to pay for before businesses are held accountable for their activities in contaminating the soil and water around them?

    By the way, I’m not saying all companies do this. There are many, many companies that act in a responsible manner. But there also need to be consequences for bad actors who knowingly cause damage and reasonable regulation that sets some boundaries for what is acceptable and unacceptable.

    Now onto your point about health insurance.

    Portia: “First, according to the Constitution, state governments are supposed to have more power than the federal government.” – Of course, I have never disagreed with this point. I was merely trying to ascertain whether you believed a state government could require individuals to purchase health insurance as they do car insurance, which it appears you do.

    Then you go on to this: “Second, driving is a privilege, not a right. If someone wants to drive, they need to comply with the rules of the road – roads owned by… the people of a given state.” – So is health care (not health insurance) a privilege or a right? On October 26, 2010 you said this: “Those who cannot afford health insurance are not able to obtain it, just like those who can’t afford BMW’s don’t generally own BMW’s.” So what do you do with all those people who can’t afford health insurance? Should they be denied health care? After all, if they can’t afford insurance it’s a pretty sure bet they can’t afford to pay for the health care. Should they be treated? If they can’t pay, they aren’t complying with the rules of the system. And if we follow your earlier prescription:

    “For those who still could not afford coverage, there are a several possible options. One is indeed for non-profits to provide subsidized health insurance (in fact, many do so now). Another is for non-profits to provide subsidized health care (in fact, many do so now, including via their own hospitals). The third option is for states to provide subsidized health insurance (in fact, many do so now).”

    Then who winds up paying for this? As you point out we already do much of this now, and it seems to be a major part of the problem.

    And if we leave health insurance and health care regulation to the states, how does the “selling across state lines” argument lower costs when each state will likely have different regulatory structures? Companies will have to tailor their plans to meet the regulatory structure of the individual state, meaning selling policies across state lines will be difficult, if not impossible for companies who will be beholden to 50 different regulatory structures.

  69. 69 jezebel282

    George,

    “First time ever: Jeze acknowledged Harkins did something that
    Miron would not have done, promoting CFO (Qalification?)”

    That’s because Harkins hasn’t really done anything. At all.

    Well, that’s not true. He raised taxes based on “trust me”. He’ll probably do that again this year.

  70. 70 1george1

    GEORGE > JEZE I am starting to worry?
    We are quibbling less!
    And agreeing more!
    Am I being delusional? (softball alert!)

    GEO: Sorry Chris. I have to disagree (partially) with this:

    CHRIS > (“climate change” is necessarily and universally bad,
    solely caused by humans and thus amendable to human manipulation,
    and such manipulation would necessarily and universally be good and
    devoid of any negative consequences).

    GEORGE:
    FACT # 1: ICE AGE 21,000 YEARS AGO, with massive ICE coverage down
    into Grand Canyon area and north europe. I has been receeding well
    before Industrial revolution 200 years ago and Rockefeller PETRO
    CARBON Monopoly since 1880s. You know how I love blaming them for
    our Economic disasters and Environmental FOLLIES / LIES.

    FACT # 2 Water table has risen (shades of Waterworld) where there are
    increasing numbers of ancient towns and cities underwater which were
    formerly along the coasts of Oceans, Seas, and Rivers.

    FACT # 3 Chris is largely right about mucking up the Environment due to
    MAN MADE issue and greed.
    It is reverseable, especially if profitable to do so. (portia likely to agree?)

    Opinion: Both Chris and Portia make legitimate points, depending on
    peoples perceptions and priorities.
    On a same issue, where Chris and Portia will differ with different
    perspectives and nuances, I can agree each has at least some validity.

    Rather than being accused of being wishy / washy or brown nosing …
    1) I can also disagree, with either and both.
    2) 100 COURT CASES cases involving the same law, have potential to have
    all the same results ….. or NO IDENTICAL RESULTS !!
    – DEPENDS on MULTITUDE of FACTORS:
    > FACTS
    > CIRCUMSTANCES
    > FRAMING ISSUE
    > PRESENTATION
    > EXPERTISE
    > ACCEPTED for EVIDENCE
    > JUDGE selected
    > JURY selected (if a jury)
    > AMBIENT POLITICS / SITUATIONS
    > Many more factors

  71. 71 jezebel282

    George,

    “JEZE I am starting to worry?
    We are quibbling less!
    And agreeing more!”

    We actually agree more often than not.

    I’m not sure what Harkins will use as a campaign slogan next time. Perhaps “See? I didn’t do anything and we’re still here?”

    On the other hand if Gavin Forrester runs against him..well now that would be INTERESTING!

  72. 72 cstratct

    George,

    I think you missed something along the way. I never said any of this.

    “CHRIS > (“climate change” is necessarily and universally bad,
    solely caused by humans and thus amendable to human manipulation,
    and such manipulation would necessarily and universally be good and
    devoid of any negative consequences).”

    This was Portia’s misrepresentation of my position, which is par for the course but inaccurate to say the least.

    As I pointed out, I never said climate change was solely caused by humans. Human activity contributes to climate change, and if there are reasonable actions that can be taken so that humans can reduce our impact on the environment then I think that is an appropriate approach. It is not manipulation if one is trying to find ways to amend manufactured human activities that are known to contribute to climate change. We know that some climate change is naturally occurring. Were we to try and stop that it would be manipulation. But those human activities that accelerate climate change (such as the use of fossil fuels) are actually manipulating the environment, so attempting to reduce or minimize the effects of those activities could be seen as reverting back to a more naturally occurring state of climate change.

    There is scientific proof that certain climatological characteristics are changing more rapidly then ever before. Those changes are measurable and scientists are able to identify the factors that are impacting the climate. If we can create more efficient procedures that reduce the impact human activity has on those characteristics (knowing that we can’t, and shouldn’t try to, control or manipulate the naturally occurring factors) is that not an acceptable course of action?

    Would you argue that deforestation, rising sea levels, increased air pollution or other activities and phenomena actually help the environment, or for that matter, the people inhabiting it? So wouldn’t we all be better served to find ways to minimize the impact of those things? I have never said eliminate. But is it too much to ask for reasonable, responsible actions on the part of individuals, corporations and governments?

  73. 73 1george1

    I’m not sure what Harkins will use as a campaign slogan next time.
    Perhaps “See? I didn’t do anything and we’re still here?”

    GEORGE: Jeze, you got several LOL on this one! O U C H!

    On the other hand if Gavin Forrester runs against him..
    well now that would be INTERESTING!

    GEORGE: If Gavin ran the theme might be”

    “See?
    1) I called meetings to study the facts.
    2) We presented our set of facts to the public.
    3) We held a meeting to let the public speak.
    4) We never DIRECTLY address specific PUBLIC Questions and
    avoided letting them get specific answers from any of us, in
    front of the General Public.
    5) I / we didn’t do (implement) anything (different than we
    INTENDED to do ALL ALONG) and we’re still here?”

    I was ITCHING to be able to SPEAK at the MEETINGS related to
    CLOSING PUBLIC SCHOOLS, and would have EXPOSED several, not
    just one or two, diversions and lies!

    I fully support legitimate BoE Budgets for maximum education impact
    for minds, bodies, hearts, emotions, healthy, life prep, and souls
    (philosophic and/or religeous, enlightenment and open mindedness)

    To understand evil is to understand why to reject evil, just as violence
    is rarely the right solution and at the right target(s).

  74. 74 1george1

    CHRIS,
    I did misread your post and thought what PORTIA POSTED was
    YOUR POSITION.

    I rejected that POSITION.
    Therefore, I rejected PORTIA’S idea, and not YOURS!

    HEY Chris, please wipe that very wide GRIN off your face ….
    the brightness projected on to my MONITOR is blinding me!!

    I thought Olivia Gombas’ letter in the star was appropriate.

    There are many, many questions and situations about Judith Terrace
    the Republicans would be wise to bury, and the Miron Democrats can
    have a lot of continued fun continually bringing up.

    It also brings significant questions about the Costello’s relationship
    with the Malloy Council / Harkin-s ad-MINISTRATION, and the pretext
    related to Dom’s involvement causing
    1) Miron to win # 1
    2) Harkins to win # 2

    An increasing number of people see MIRON’S friends / allies in KEY
    HARKINS positions and realize the DTC + RTC leaders work together.
    Examples?

    Police Chief

    Attorneys (firms)

    Finance Director

    PW

    FIRE – Nothing against Dan or Tony Ross, but Tony is V E R Y tight and
    good friends with D I C K Miron.

    Republicans always controlled the Board of Ed, however how many
    Miron Democrats disguise themselves as Republicans?

  75. 75 1george1

    WI just destroyed the GRIEVANCE ARBRITRATION PROCEDURE

    AND

    The UNIONS will pay MORE for PENSIONS and HEALTHCARE.

    Is there anyone who believes there was NOT INTENT to
    1 – use the overly generous PENSIONS + HEALTH CARE to get at the
    former?
    2 – CLAW BACK the difference between what was overpaid to what
    they should have (justly) gotten under DEFINED CONTRIBUTION?
    3 – CLAW BACK the difference between what was overpaid to what
    they should have (justly) gotten under FAIR CONTRIBUTIONS to the
    HEALTH CARE?

    For seven years, I warned this was a TRAP.

    For those OVERPAID PENSIONERS who DIE in the next 2 years, they
    are the ONLY ONES who will have maxed benefits….

    Who gets screwed.
    1 – Union members who retired before the KITED
    2 – Newest hired union members
    3 – 1996 – 2010 hired, who will NEVER SEE what is contracted
    4 – PENDING and RECENT DEFINED BENEFIT
    5 – MOSTLY TAX PAYERS who have been BETRAYED and RAPED, while
    the UNIONS have only been betrayed
    6 – The average working stiff who will see more pressures to lose ANY
    BENEFITS
    7 – Small employers who have been getting S Q E E Z E D !!!

    Am I happy to have been proven RIGHT?

    To use one of CATALANO’S TERMS!

    [expletive deleted] !!!

    They are [expletive deleted] !!!

    You are [expletive deleted] !!!

    We are [expletive deleted] !!!

    I am [expletive deleted] !!!

    Sorry Jeze – I rarely swear. I just don’t do it or use that term!

    You are likely and justly going to edit this …. but it is appropriate!

    However Jeze ….. N O Matter what anyone’s objections are, everyone
    is [expletive deleted], even PROTIA and PHIN who will not realize it really hurts
    America to continue to batter the working man and woman, even though
    the Unions deserve to pay their FAIR SHARE!

    Same as Big Oil, War Machine and Wall Street inner / outer parties betrayed
    the American people for their own selfishness …. so did many in UNIONS
    who thrived on INSIDER TRADING for excessive PAY, BENEFITS, & PENSIONS,
    but m o s t l y those who get the quiet KICK BACKS!

  76. 76 phineast

    George—I realize it hurts probably more than most. I work my azz off to make ends meet and resent, (yes, Jez), really resent the freeloaders that take advantage and rape the system. Those are the people that should be cut off at the knees..and quite frankly I don’t give a rat’s rear what happens to them. I do care about kids, frail, elderly and sick..and those with temporary hard times. If someone is able to work they should get off their azz and do it-they may have to “lower their standards” or not have a dream job-but that is T.S…..No one should have to bear the burden of the able bodied. As for where jobs are located-there are tons of listings-but they aren’t high paying easy jobs-you actually have to WORK to get paid.
    nuff said on that topic for now.
    Unions do have to pay their fair share- and they shouldn’t be disbanded or totally dis-empowered-remember WHY they were created. The union heads got to greedy and haven’t had site of their true purpose for many years-THAT is what needs to be corrected.
    CT- post 72 is probably one of the best you have EVER written. Only one small flaw-the scientific proof is not fool proof or free from corruption….(Al Gore debacle)…so while there is a grain of truth to it-don’t use it as the final word on the topic. It is all hypothesis anyway as there is no actual way to compare—the world has evolved over millions of years and its surface has evolved along with it-what we see is part of a process that has been going on for as long as the earth has existed-do we leave a “footprint”? Absolutely-and we should minimize it to protect resources. Will less than 200 years of industrialization destroy the world in 2012? Ask George…he is the conspiracy expert. 😉

  77. 77 1george1

    Phin:
    As to conspiracies, you can look at the membership of the CFR
    and Trilateral commission yourself and recognize they populate
    Adminsitrations of both democrats and republicans.

    You can also check on the meetings Buffet and Gates have with
    various business leaders who are on multiple Boards of Directors.

    During WW II there were about 4,000 major corporations under the
    command of the military towards the war effort and all the smaller
    businesses fed directly and indirectly off the larger ones in a command
    economy.

    The best president since WW II was probably Eisenhower by a long shot,
    in no small part because the GIs in WW II had common interests and bonds
    having lived through hell and seen hell.

    Only one in ten military ever see combat.

    Nine in ten in the military are in support.

    Those abilities, skills, talents, and trainomg translate very well when it is
    transferred into the private sector, along with discipline, focus, and many
    other attributes.

    —–

    PHIN – you are not the only one with resentments.

    I simply believe that you focus on one group recieving one form or welfare
    and you completely over look the welfare involving:
    political party
    > members
    > leaders
    country club types
    certain corp / business – workers / managers
    certain government workers/managers

    PHIN – I have to ask if you believe there is NO RACISM in your perspective?
    The way I read they way you write about it, I get a certain impression?

  78. 78 1george1

    In 1998,
    Health Insurance cost, nationally was about $ 5,500 annually
    Oil bottomed at $ 10.50 a barrel
    > Heating oil that winter? 50 to 62 cents a gallon
    > Diesel about 70 cents
    > Gas just over $ 1

    In 1999, the Pension Bond caused the portfolio to be 110% fully funded.

    There was ZERO COST to the TAX PAYER for PENSION –
    This year it is OVER 4 Mils.

    Health care cost was a fraction of present cost.

    AVCO could have been transitioned into 12,000 job and # 2 Tax Payer

    Our unfunded MANDATES including ECS were far lower

    Raymark was about capped, and remediation could have been completed

    Shakespeare should have been opened the prior decade.

    Various added Tax Costs would see a couple thousand jobs lost
    SIKORSKY downsized
    AVCO downsized / closed
    RAYMARK (500) – CONTRACT PLATING – TILO – TOWN FAIR – DICTAPHONE (1000)
    DRESSER was over 900 workers (from 1100)
    COCA COLA / AMERICAN FROZEN FOOD soon to move
    BARGAIN NEWS
    MOBIL CHEMICAL about 2006 – had peaked under 400 jobs
    DIANON (2008) (350)

    And who were on the Town Councils / Attorneys late 1980s – 1990s,
    leading to cause these messes?

    PHIN ever notice the same names kept coming back to town councils,
    boards of ed, charter revisions, key (paid & unpaid) appointments?

    But no – you are right ….. there are no such things as conspiracies or
    welfare for lower upper (no) class …

  79. 79 1george1

    Is this a form of welfare?

    ——- ——- Total Pension Benefits: ……… FY10 BGT
    01251 6055 – 401a Retirement Plan ……… $ 788,000
    01251 6060 – Police/Fire Annuity ……… $ 1,087,125
    01251 6063 – Pension Deposit ………….. $ 6,948,453
    01251 6064 – POB Debt Service ………… $ 9,114,313
    01251 6091 – OPEB Trust Fund ……………..$ 589,743
    01251 6067 – Pension Indirect Costs _______________ –
    —————- TOTAL ……………………….$ 18,527,634

    .

    Highest Stratford Town pension
    $134,525.28 to Police Captain:
    $ 49,665.28 over his
    $ 84,850 Base Pay!

    -Total pension contribution:
    $140,107.79 in 27 years, minus “off days”
    $ 44,438.94 cash out!
    -Meaning?
    $134,525.28 annual pension for
    $ 95,668.75 lifetime contributed?

    PHIN, let me repeat this for effect and please answer what
    YOU BELIEVE this person’s PENSION should be relative to what
    he contributed?

    $ 95,668.75 lifetime contributed, over a 27 year period?

    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 1
    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 2
    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 3
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    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 34
    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 35
    $134,525.28 annual pension for year # 36

    Meanwhile, some people live without heat or lose their homes,
    because fixed / low income…. due to this welfare queen?


    *Stratford Police union grievance was filed about possible
    (alleged) falsified time records?

    Police union questioned management’s oversight?

    Were criminal investigations into related allegations about
    ranking police pensions, or/and Police Chiefs Imbro’s and
    Burturla’s oversight?

    Who were the LAWYERS?

    What were they ADVISING?

    Was there A N Y QUID PRO QUO?

    We know there are NO such things as CONSPIRACIES or BLUE WALLS
    and know POLICE are willing to act against their own PENSIONS ….,
    right PHIN?

  80. 80 phineast

    George- NO it was not racism-not at all. I have no control over who is in those lines-I don’t care who they are or what they look like- if they are able bodied they should get a job or better yet start a business that employs people just like them(fallen on hard time) instead of being the leaches of society that can be directly seen and pointed at by society.

    Do I agree with that pension? No- I believe that person and the person who gave the authorization for the “non overtime” and salary differentials should be in jail. There is another pension that is just as bad and the same should apply. Those 2 people did things that violated contract according to the union web site, violated ethics and most likely violated laws. The management that allowed it to occur is just as culpable. Put them in jail and send a clear message if they broke the rules. Get restitution. Interesting that the former employee that figured out how to whack the system was working in the tax office-no wonder they moved outta dodge….or was it to dodge? There are walls and there are WALLS….comeradery vs conspiracy….in every line of work. Today the workers would stick a knife in their coworkers back if it meant they could get ahead. I can’t speak for what will be done with the “illegal” pensions. I have heard through the grape vine that once the reinstatements have been made people will be going for those responsible via a very interesting route which actually will shake rattle and roll some pretty big heads-quite frankly it is something that the entire town will ENJOY if they do it, and I happen to believe they will-what goes around will come around and bite those “thieves”(my opinion of course)….it would certainly be a great example-and I can’t think of any more deserving to be made an example out of….;)

    George- have you ever tried to get someone to volunteer in town????????????????????????
    While many of the names that appear over and over on committees are there because they step up to the plate and give of themselves. Then of course there are the few that have been there so long they do nothing-not even show up and fall into the category that you have described. Not all volunteers fall into your category of political plum rewards etc. I volunteer my time, and a lot of it, in town(and out of town too) because I genuinely want to make a positive difference in quality of life for others. I don’t do it for money or awards or press. I do it because I enjoy it. There are about 50k people in town and you have MAYBE 200 credible volunteers. Some do it for the right reasons and some do it for the wrong reasons. 90% of the community is too selfish or self involved to volunteer. There is this unwritten rule that says only 10% of the population volunteers to serve their community(whether it is church, school, political, etc) out of the 10% that actually volunteer only 10% of those people actually follow through. Pretty pathetic. THAT is WHY people that have no ethics have the opportunity to take advantage…..

  81. 81 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “instead of being the leaches of society that can be directly seen and pointed at by society. ”
    You mean like bank presidents and directors of brokerage firms?

    “out of the 10% that actually volunteer only 10% of those people actually follow through.”
    I have to agree. Unfortunately, the Town doesn’t make it easy to volunteer. Look at the Short Beach Commission. It’s the same “players” year after year. Or perhaps Stratford EMS. You have an administrator that literally turns qualified volunteers away. (Say, where is that new chief anyway?)

  82. 82 phineast

    Unfortunately Jez, someone has to be in charge. Too bad many don’t have ethics and are driven strictly by greed….where IS George Baily when you need him…..

    As far as the EMS admin- it is in the same place as the Economic development director. NO WHERE. If we know nothing else we know that Stratford is in DIRE, no beyond dire, need of a young enthusiastic, knowledgeable and successful economic director. EMS has survived over the years, and actually did very well, without a director at all. Though if it is going to fall under the Fire or Police these days we are in BIG trouble———same circumstance here—–someone has to run it….but they don’t have to be over paid to do so.

  83. 83 1george1

    Hi PHIN:

    I understand and sympathize with your many legitimate posts.

    I disagree with the way a couple posts come across.
    I absolutely support your right to believe what you want.

    For years, I have considered legally changing my middle name to
    BAILEY…. 😉 …. GEORGE BAILEY MULLIGAN 8)

    There were about 40 volunteers for the Town Charter Revision
    Commission # 2.

    The 1990s main Town Attorneys and assistants?
    – Gilardi (now Judge)
    – Florek (finger in Town pie since 1989, for apparently minor slice)
    And APPOINTED to HEAD Charter Revision # 2
    – Proto (APPOINTED to Charter Revision # 2
    – Ahlberg (mostly dropped out of Town revenue except about 2007)

    Charter Revision # 1 Attorneys
    – Jim Miron (became Mayor, with Dom’s / Best’s / O’Brien’s help)
    – Kevin Williams (K Kelly’s Bro-in-Law – appointed Florek as his 1989-1991,
    Town Attorney, when Williams was Council Chair + Feehan’s campaign mgr.)
    – Joe Kubic (On Williams/Florek Council & Town Council creating Charter
    Revision Commission # 2)

    I BELIEVE:
    The simple fact is the POLITICAL PARTIES will “ONLY APPOINT people
    to the KEY Commissions and Committees who will rubber stamp the
    positions they want, and/or make sure the control the VOTING
    MAJORITY, which is why BOB SAMMIS resigned for the F. A. C.

    And why Mr. Sammis and I spoke out about the “No Discernable wrong
    doing” in the FAC report related to Jan 2008 police
    (2 fire Pensions were not reviewed – the Parties wanted 3rd party OK
    that the political parties + Imbro / Burturla did no wrong = my opinion)

    Mr. Hayden preferred to do most of the Health Care investigation and
    report for the FAC himself. I could only speculate why?
    I contributed maybe 2 – 3 %. Others contributed 1 – 2 % of effort and
    Mr. Hayden did about 95 % or more of the work.

    Sammis, Hayden, C.P.A. Tom Angelo, Tom Moore’s neighbor Art Stengel
    all understand the Health Care nuances better than I.
    Chairman Rodriguez and the members were very outspoken in meetings
    about the various abuses and programs they saw and stated were wrong,
    IF MY MEMORY and PERCEPTIONS, are correct?

  84. 84 1george1

    FROM GEORGE > Something for macroeconomic conceptualization?
    I know PORTIA has the back ground to understand these, yet may not
    link the dots, in the way I intend?

    Nixon took the U.S. off the GOLD STANDARD.
    – GOLDFINGER came out about that time, but it was a PRECURSOR of the OIL
    PRICE explosion.
    – Each year, the British Empire’s South Africa was mining more GOLD than had
    existed in European Royal Treasuries, during the age of COLUMBUS.
    (Before the rape of the AMERICAS and WORLD by European COLONIALISM.)
    – Subsequent inflation and economic pressures caused increased M-1,
    M-2, and M-3, with increased worker compensation and living standards.
    – A WATERGATE is on a WATERMILL, which Environmentally generates Energy.
    – NIXON installed the TAPES, and KNEW EXACTLY what would be heard.

    GEORGE PRATT SCHULTZ during IRAN CONTRA.
    “TRUST” is the “coin of the realm.”
    “People can become “captives of their Bureaucracies.”

    “Note the KEY GOVERNMENT/PRIVATE places NIXON, SCHULTZ, + GHW BUSH
    have on their Resume!!
    RESUME: GHWB was the # 1 prepared 2 B President. Nixon # 2.

    Eisenhower was the # 1 US President.
    > Desegregation (Racism was needed to be transitioned)
    > US Interstates + Infrastructure
    > Populus Economics, Life Quality, & Education
    > Relative Peace and Prosperity
    > Nuclear families > Pre-drugs / destruction of Families
    – Alcoholism was bad and low freedoms for women and minorities, but the
    families could have stay at home moms to raise children, which is crucial,
    and NOT meant to demean, but to praise, women, who needed improved
    economic, career, and social opportunities.
    Lincoln is # 1 most inspiring and worthy of image, despite lesser known facts.

    MILTON FRIEDMAN:
    There is “NO TRADE DEFICIT.”
    1 – EXPORTS are counted at RETAIL PRICES (Higher than WHOLESALE)
    2 – IMPORTS are counted at WHOLESALE PRICES (Higher than RETAIL)

    >>>>> FROM WEB:
    “Capitalism and Freedom”
    > economic freedom as a precondition for political freedom.
    > European Enlightenment terms vs. American usage = corrupted since the
    Great Depression.
    “government, corporate, and social responsibilities”
    “permanent income hypothesis”
    “consumption analysis.”
    “theory of rational expectations”
    “Positive Economics”
    “stabilzation policy”
    “monetarism vs. Keynesian
    “Stagflation”
    “negative income tax”
    “school vouchers”

    -> From GEORGE
    W. F. BUCKLEY: (not exact quotes)
    Certain DEFICIT SPENDING is GOOD for the ECONOMIES.

    > MONEY sitting in Government Treasury does nothing for the economy.
    > MONEY in the hands of the people, benefits many people and economy.

    > During Queen Victoria’s reign, the government deficits exceeded 10,000%
    of the GEP = Gross Empire Products. Yet, by 1900 the OBE controlled 25 %
    of the World population and Land Masses.

    ===== FROM WEB
    LAFFER CURVE >
    In economics, the Laffer curve is a theoretical representation of the
    relationship between government revenue raised by taxation and all
    possible rates of taxation.
    It is used to illustrate the concept of taxable income elasticity (that
    taxable income will change in response to changes in the rate of taxation).

    The curve is constructed by thought experiment.
    First, the amount of tax revenue raised at the extreme tax rates of
    0% and 100% is considered.
    It is clear that a 0% tax rate raises no revenue,
    but the Laffer curve hypothesis is that a 100% tax rate will also
    generate no revenue because at such a rate there is
    no longer any incentive for a rational taxpayer to earn any income,
    thus the revenue raised will be 100% of nothing.

    If both a 0% rate and 100% rate of taxation generate no revenue,
    it follows that there must exist at least one rate in between
    where tax revenue would be a maximum.

    The Laffer curve is typically represented as a stylized graph
    which starts at 0% tax, zero revenue, rises to a maximum rate of revenue
    raised at an intermediate rate of taxation and then falls again to
    zero revenue at a 100% tax rate.

    However, there are infinitely many curves satisfying these boundary
    conditions. Little can be said without further assumptions or empirical data.

    One potential result of the Laffer curve is that increasing tax rates
    beyond a certain point will become counterproductive for raising further
    tax revenue because of diminishing returns.

    ====
    GEO: I believe in SUBSTANCIAL and RESPONSIBILE POLICIES to foster the
    ABILITIES for ALL AMERICANS to OWN and MAINTAIN “home ownership!”
    ====
    >>>> From WEB
    “I do believe in the American Dream,” said President Bush in 2002.
    “Owning a home is a part of that dream, it just is.
    Right here in America, if you own your own home, you’re realizing
    the American dream.”
    Bush was echoing a theme that reaches back at least to Herbert Hoover:
    When the government encourages homeownership, the story goes,
    it strengthens individuals and communities and thereby fosters the
    American Dream. They’re wrong.
    A government crusade to promote homeownership is un-American.

    America’s distinction is that it was the first nation founded on the
    principle that you have a right to pursue your own happiness without
    government interference.
    But the government’s homeownership crusade means it gets to decide
    how you should live, and stick-and-carrot you into living that way.

    Here’s the real lesson:
    The American Dream is not some government-subsidized house foisted
    on you by George W. Bush or Barney Frank.
    It’s the undiluted freedom to decide how you want to live–
    and, if you want to own a home, it’s the freedom to work, save,
    establish credit, and earn one.

    In America, the government’s job is to protect our freedom to pursue
    our values, not to dictate what our values are.
    Its homeownership policy should be the same as its toaster oven policy:
    laissez-faire.

    (GEORGE: I disagree with total laissez-faire, as unrealistic to be
    realistically fair in vulture capitalism.
    There are legitimate needs for regulation and laws, as stated within
    the U.S. CONSTITUTION.)

    Government intervention in housing runs deep, and it can’t be eliminated overnight.
    But the government should make its long-term goal to fully extricate
    itself from the housing market.

    (GEO: I disagree – see above)

    It can then start gradually dismantling Fannie, Freddie, tax preferences
    for homeowners, and every other government housing program.”

    MP: You can add the government’s role in promoting fixed-rate
    30-year mortgages, and subsidizing FHA mortgages that only require
    a 3.5% down payment to the list of policies that the government
    has used to increase homeownership.

    The chart above shows how the political promotion of homeownership
    in the U.S. may have contributed to the housing bubble.
    The blue line is the quarterly homeownership rate from the Census
    Bureau (data here) going back to 1991, which went from 64% in the
    early 1990s to a record high of more than 69% in 2004.

    During that same time period, the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s
    (FHFA) Home Price Index (data here) doubled from 100 in 1991
    to 200 in 2005, before reaching a peak of more than 222 at the
    height of the real estate bubble in 2007.

    In the aftermath of the real estate bubble’s crash,
    the homeownership rate has fallen to a 10-year low of 66.9%
    (QII 2010) and the FHFA home price has fallen back to 2004 levels.

    Promoting homeownership is not only un-American,
    but it helped create an unsustainable real estate bubble,
    which turned the “American dream” into an
    “American nightmare” for millions of Americans by turning
    “good renters into terrible homeowners.”

    GEORGE: Responsible CAPITALISM is not taught in grammar, JR. HS + HS.
    There are obviously legitimate points within this aprt of my POST from
    the WEB, however HONEST GOVERNMENT’S duty is supposed to support
    HONEST BUSINESS and WORKING towards opportunities.

  85. 85 phineast

    George- your memory is correct with regard to FAC…Go back and read the actual charge that commission was given. The FAC comm. were NOT allowed to go beyond the scope they were given. They were not allowed to conduct an investigation per sey…as it is not legal. It is unfortunate, as the members really wanted to blow the lid off the abuses and should have been allowed to as part of the scope of their duty. If they had there would have been a convening of a grand jury.

    They understand the health care nuances???? are you serious????The word is kick back possibly, but in my humble opinion I would not call it a nuance by even a wild stretch of the imagination.

  86. 86 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Though if it is going to fall under the Fire or Police these days we are in BIG trouble———same circumstance here—–someone has to run it….but they don’t have to be over paid to do so.”

    On paper, it is supposed to be under the control of Fire Chief Cavanaugh. I wonder if he knows that. Ultimately, however, it is Harkins that is responsible. Stratford EMS is one of the few revenue generating operations in this Town. Losing $600,000 in one year actually shows up in the budget. Lord knows what it will be this year. My guess is that Donna Best is withholding that data.

    From the SVEMS website: “Sorry, no data has been provided since October 2010”
    http://svemsassociation.com/

    When she aggressively and arbitrarily turns away qualified volunteers or conducts punitive “investigations” of ones she doesn’t like, something must be done. It is out of control.

    We are supposed to have a new chief who’s identity remains a huge Town Hall secret. Apparently the new mystery chief has accepted the position but we still have no definitive start date, identity or qualifications. I dunno, but that’s doesn’t seem to be a morale boosting piece of news to me. If I were an EMT or paramedic with time to volunteer, I would probably be calling Echo Hose in Shelton to sign up. They like volunteers there.

    “They were not allowed to conduct an investigation per sey…as it is not legal. It is unfortunate, as the members really wanted to blow the lid off the abuses and should have been allowed to as part of the scope of their duty.”

    At that point they should have contacted the State’s Attorney.

    George,

    No offense, but Geeze. Where would I start?

  87. 87 1george1

    PHIN: George- your memory is correct with regard to FAC…
    Go back and read the actual charge that commission was given.
    The FAC comm. were NOT allowed to go beyond the scope they
    were given.

    GEORGE: PHIN is 100 % correct.

    They were not allowed to conduct an investigation per sey
    …as it is not legal.

    GEORGE: PHIN is 100 % correct.

    It is unfortunate, as the members really wanted to blow the lid off
    the abuses and should have been allowed to as part of the scope
    of their duty.

    GEORGE: I believe PHIN’s OPINION is 100 % correct.

    If they had there would have been a convening of a grand jury.

    GEORGE: I believe PHIN’s OPINION is 100 % correct.

    They understand the health care nuances????
    are you serious????

    GEORGE: I believe PHIN’s believes I used the wrong word?

    The word is kick back possibly, but in my humble opinion I would
    not call it a nuance by even a wild stretch of the imagination.

    GEORGE: I agree with PHIN = 200 %

  88. 88 1george1

    JEZE: Phin, “Though if it is going to fall under the Fire or Police these
    days we are in BIG trouble———same circumstance here—–someone has
    to run it….but they don’t have to be over paid to do so.”

    GEORGE: Understated. Almost everyone in the Defined Benefit program
    is sceduled to receive PENSIONS from 150 % to 600 % annually than they
    should recieve, E X C E P T the O L D E R retires.

    JEZE : On paper, it is 9EMS ?) supposed to be under the control of
    Fire Chief Cavanaugh. I wonder if he knows that. ( 🙂 )

    Ultimately, however, it is Harkins that is responsible. ( 😦 )

    Stratford EMS is one of the few revenue generating operations in this
    Town. Losing $600,000 in one year actually shows up in the budget.

    Lord knows what it will be this year. My guess is that Donna Best is
    withholding that data.

    GEORGE: My guess is that under certain people, all of the CONTRACTS
    in H. R. were revised – read that rewritten – and replaced.
    However the IRS + CT REVENUE SERVICE + TOWN payment documents
    do not support any claims changes occur prior to Town Councils that
    involve Dick Miron, Tony Ross, and Florek.

  89. 89 1george1

    Question: related to SO-ma-LIE pi-RAT-es

    With Satellite capability and long rangeland based fighters & bombers
    and air craft carrier capability, with subs and smaller surface ships
    from many countries, is there any reason any of the pirates are ever
    successful?

    What precludes tankers from adding gun ports to front – back and sides
    of their ships, as well as rocket launchers?

    It would only take about 10 gun ports like added to B-17s with 1 front,
    1 back, and 4 on either side, to make them virtually invulnerable to
    motor boats, smaller than PT boats.

    What about having Helicopters, easy launch sea planes or VTOL and
    limited range drones with rocket and machine gun capabilities?

    How hard would it be for the TANKERS to have 20 ship convoys with a
    single DE or Destoyer.

    RETROFITS and SYSTEMS costing a couple million per ship has to be
    less expensive then RANSOMS and INSURANCE?

    Is it likely or unlikely the VIOLENCE would END?

    —-

    As far as RADICAL MOSLEMS killing CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES …..

    Unfortunately many people are used as pawns and sacrificed to
    manipulate public opinion, while millions of others are murdered
    to keep munnitions and ordinance factories profitable.

    Militaries need missions.

    News media need stories.

    Constituents need galvanization

    Minions in the chains of command need to be kept busy with
    planning and operations to be dragged on for decades upon
    decades allowing their lords and masters to be unfettered.

    The MASTERS are SLAVES to these PLANS, which insuate them from being discovered and keeping humanity to be truly free.

    Now THAT is a CONSPIRACY THEORY worthy of being called a
    CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!

    AND, even if by accident, I posted it in the right blog string… 🙂

    —-

    Where is Sudds?
    are he and Rocki OK?

  90. 90 cstratct

    Phin,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    With regard to this thought: “Only one small flaw-the scientific proof is not fool proof or free from corruption….(Al Gore debacle)…so while there is a grain of truth to it-don’t use it as the final word on the topic. It is all hypothesis anyway as there is no actual way to compare—the world has evolved over millions of years and its surface has evolved along with it-what we see is part of a process that has been going on for as long as the earth has existed-do we leave a “footprint”? Absolutely-and we should minimize it to protect resources. Will less than 200 years of industrialization destroy the world in 2012?”

    I realize scientific proof is subject to change based on new evidence, however not all climatological science is “hypothesis” (hypothetical?) as you say. The tools that have been developed to measure climatological phenomena have advanced dramatically. To say that “it is all hypothesis” I think borders on a more religiously-based view of science. It is an easy way to discount scientific findings but there is nothing to back up the claim. There is scientific evidence that is beyond the realm of the hypothetical.

    Please don’t interpret this as a condemnation of your comments. I understand the point you’re trying to make and like you, I’m not a doomsday theorist that thinks industrialization will destroy the world. I think advances in technology can reduce the damage done by less efficient methods of energy generation and industrialization. Those advances will come from R & D and, more than likely, some of the same companies responsible for some of that damage. I don’t think those companies should be legislated out of existence. They should be given the opportunity to develop new methods to reduce their “footprint.”

    It just raises a flag for me when a statement is made suggesting that all the science surrounding climate change or any other scientific knowledge is merely hypothetical.

  91. 91 1george1

    CHRIS: Absolutely-and we should minimize it to protect resources.
    Will less than 200 years of industrialization destroy the world in 2012?”

    GEORGE: Hi Chris – I think PHIN was wise cracking / being sarcastic at
    me and my conspiracy theory about the world ending in 2012?

    I do not believe in NOSTRADAMUS, nor INCA predictions …. 😉

    I was the one who bought in FACTS:
    1 – Under 200 years of Industrialization.
    2 – Under 130 years of Rockefeller Petro-control. Mafia was based on the
    Rockefeller model. There have been subsequent copy cats.
    3 – ICE AGE 21,000 years ago covered much of Northern North America &
    North Europe. I believe Global Warming has been going on longer than the
    Industrial contamination which IS MESSING UP the PLANET.
    – One of those – I agree is a problem, partially disagree with part of the
    problem to which it was directed as a PRIMARY CAUSE.

    I would argue “SOME” scientific knowledge is FACT;
    “SOME” scientific knowledge is HYPOTHETICAL;
    “SOME” scientific knowledge is likely to be PROVEN WRONG or has been
    misdirected as FACT;
    “SOME” scientific knowledge is likely to be PROVEN CORRECT.

    I suspect you would agree (based on your 2nd to last paragraph) scientific
    knowledge is EVOLVING.
    (Dramatically.)

  92. 92 phineast

    George- post#87–wow…amazing percents!!! Who’d a thunk it!
    Yes, I was wise cracking…..

    CT-we have seen scientific “facts” massaged and manipulated to the circumstances. It is a very common place activity in the scientific world and it is always about money. God forbid you ever have a health issue and are given “study” data to back treatments the first question is who paid for the study and what is their financial stake in the study outcome. Even double blind studies can be stacked. The same principle in all the consume studies for the best of whatever-you have to look at who sponsored it or who the advertisers are.
    I promise you that I am really conscientious about reducing my carbon footprint-as it can only help the world. I also believe that help starts at home…so every day I try to walk the walk. I’m not perfect, but I give it my best shot.
    George is correct about science evolving…the only thing constant is change.

  93. 93 1george1

    GEORGE: PHIN – Like PCS – You do you home work.

    While I was giving you proper credit and agreeing with your post,
    it also had a NET EFFECTof ginving each/both of us BLOG CRED.

    1 – Anyone could do the work you and/or I did, and likely
    come to the same conclusion.

    2 – We disagreed so often, it reinforces the far fewer instances,
    in which we agree.

    3 – Jeze and I disagree often.
    On CORE ISSUES related to HUMANITIES, I am likely to agree with JEZE
    and/or CHRIS (I’m Conservative Liberal).

    However on CORE ISSUES related to FINANCIAL THEORY and certain
    APPLICATIONS / REALITIES, I am likely to agree with PORTIA or PHIN.
    Compassionate Conservative = lower end range of compassion, yet
    existing. 😉

  94. 94 cstratct

    Phin,

    I don’t question your sincerity regarding efforts to reduce your carbon footprint. I do the same, sometimes to the exasperation of my wife, who thinks I’m a bit over-the-top in my recycling and conservation efforts. As you say, I give it my best shot.

    I don’t disagree that some scientific efforts are of questionable validity. But the idea that all science is hypothetical is just too far for me to go. Believe me when I tell you I have some of the same concerns regarding studies conducted by drug companies or other entities tied to a particular industry when their conclusions simply echo the company talking points. Of course parts of this discussion have already taken place on this blog with Portia. We’re supposed to trust companies are providing full disclosure and being good actors, but we can’t trust the government. Based on recent statements I suspect we more agree then disagree on many issues related to this subject. I just don’t go so far as to throw all science or scientific studies into the hypothetical realm and discount what is established scientific fact. Placing facts in quotes is where it slides over into the quasi-religious realm to me. I find efforts to discount science and established scientific findings often (not always) come from a religious perspective.

    All that being said, I believe it is important to cross reference and look to more than one source for information and verification. Hence the discussion on consensus within the scientific community.

  95. 95 jezebel282

    From Phineast:

    George- I will reply right here as this is where it originated.
    First up-you should know-I do not belong to any country clubs and don’t play golf(sorry Mike and Jez). I don’t have time, you see I work-one full time job and a part time one in addition to all the time I give to the community in volunteering to make this community a better place AND to help those kids that are stuck with azzholes for parents. The kids I work with I feed’em, get them clothes and help ‘em with their homework-while their parents hang out who knows where doing anything they want but working and taking care of their kids.
    So George- If I don’t want to work my entire life to pay for people I DON’T EVEN KNOW TO SIT ON THEIR AZZES ALL DAY-IT IS MY PEROGATIVE. My choice, my opinion…but I don’t get a Choice do I???????? You see, I have billls to pay-like multiple college loans and a mortgage and utilities-NO ON sends me a check or says COME ON Down I have free money for you. Don’t you think I want to have time and money to travel to places other than my JOB??? Don’t you think I would prefer to NOT have to do some of the volunteer work that I do???
    It is likely I will never be able to retire as I don’t have a pension and my savings has been eaten up by things out of my control.
    I have no problem contributing my share of taxes to the defense of the country, and a clearly defined educational contribution and to the maintenance of the infrastructure of roads and the like. That is after all WHY taxes we allowed. It is most the rest that I feel needs to be cut off or privatized. Welfare should be the responsibility of the churches-after all they don’t pay taxes but get all the benefits of the services so maybe that should be their contribution.

  96. 96 1george1

    PHIN
    – Interesting reply.
    I suspected you contribute more to society than many others.

    – It would take a long time to address your real issues.
    I will simply note that we see certain things,
    do not see other things,
    and there are good and bad in every group.

    – You have your “HOT BUTTONS” which I could continually
    “get you going,” but shall limit this post to the above.

    Stay well.

  97. 97 portia1776

    Chris,

    I think it profitable to begin with three questions from Oleg Atbashin. I find that the testimony of refugees from socialist countries is increasingly prescient as they have unfortunately already lived in our future, or what President Obama describes as “equality,” “social justice,” and “pragmatism.”

    “Ever noticed that for the past thirty years, we’ve been hearing we have less than ten years to save the planet?”

    “Why is a huge poisonous cloud over a volcano considered magnificent – but a smokestack over an American factory is ugly and harmful?

    “If being a winner in nature’s struggle for survival is selfish, does being extinct make you an altruist?”

    “Once again you ascribe a position to me that I have not put forth.” – As is the usual tactic, you are easy with pleasant but vacuous language, and coy with implications, costs, results. I offered “your unstated conclusions” and “flawed premises” as a way to draw you out of the rhetorical fog. Given your response, anyone can now see that your position is essentially as I described it.

    “I never said the “government needs to command-and-control the economy to address climate change.” – Explicitly, no. We’ll get back to this one later.

    “By the way, putting the phrase climate change in quotes certainly does allow for questioning of your position on the subject.” – It should prompt questioning of this hollow vessel of a phrase into which all manner of poison (socialism) is being poured.

    “First, I never said climate change is solely caused by humans. What we do know, and has been proven and accepted, even by people you choose to highlight in your rebuttals, is that human activity (like the burning of fossil fuels) does impact the environment.” – It is good to hear you repudiate one tired canard. Are you also going to disavow that human impact is necessarily and universally bad?

    “Scientific consensus has proven that human activity does impact the climate, and those changes in climate have led to increases in certain diseases.” – Chris, what is so hard to understand about this? Consensus on impact? Yes. Consensus on what the impact means, good or bad? No. Consensus on what to do about the impact? No. Diseases? Please… What is the consensus on the type of government command-and-control “climate change” policies being implemented?

    Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), is at least pandering to voters by asking President Obama to consider “economic repercussions and potential unintended consequences” of EPA regulation of emission on the private sector.

    “Beach erosion and rising sea levels may be less of a concern. We can all move inland, right?” – Why move? No, while “Progressives” disdain human progress, humans evolve to meet changing climatic conditions, including rising sea levels.

    According to Bjorn Lomberg, “One of the scarier predictions about global warming is the suggestion that melting glaciers and ice caps could cause sea levels to rise as much as 15 to 20 feet over the next century. Set aside the fact that the best research we have – from the United Nations climate panel – says that global sea levels are not likely to rise more than about 20 inches by 2100. Rather, let’s imagine that over the next 80 or 90 years, a giant port city – say, Tokyo – found itself engulfed by a sea-level rise of about 15 feet. Millions of inhabitants would be imperiled, along with trillions of dollars’ worth of infrastructure. Without a vast global effort, could we cope with such a terrifying catastrophe?

    Well, we already have. In fact, we’re doing it right now

    Since 1930, excessive groundwater withdrawal has caused Tokyo to subside by as much as 15 feet. Similar subsidence has occurred over the past century in numerous cities, including Tianjin, Shanghai, Osaka, Bangkok and Jakarta. And in each case, the city has managed to protect itself from such large relative sea-level rises without much difficulty.

    The process is called adaptation, and it’s something we humans are very good at. That isn’t surprising, since we’ve been doing it for millennia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111604973.html ).”

    “But if human activity (aside from naturally occurring change) is adversely affecting the environment, and reasonable regulations or steps can be taken to reduce the human impact on the environment, why shouldn’t we take steps to do so?” – In answer to your flapdoodlish question, I offer this question of Brendan O’Neil, “When it comes to political decision-making, progress and development, only one question should ever be asked: will it or will it not benefit humankind?”

    “And before you go on one of your rants about my desire for ‘unlimited federal government powers,’ I hope you’ll make note of what I described above. Reasonable regulations, not ‘command-and-control.’” – Please enlighten us, Chris. What are these “reasonable” regulations that you have mind? Who would make that determination? How would they enforce these regulations? Do you share candidate Obama’s contention that it is “reasonable” that under “my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket”? How about how President Obama is trying to impose this scheme undemocratically and anti-scientifically through the EPA?

    “Seriously, considering the damage done by some companies to the environment right in Stratford and neighboring towns, can you honestly deny the fact that responsible regulation is necessary?” – I can very easily do so because you have not defined what “responsible” or “reasonable” mean. Is it reasonable for the EPA to know since 1980 that MTBE is a health hazard but to support a mandate for increased MTBE use in the misnamed “Clean Air Act” of 1990 anyway, thus putting everyone’s health at risk? Was the government failure that precipitated Love Canal responsible? (https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/the-parade-to-november/#comment-14456 ). Try to be serious. Just because you call government controls “reasonable” does not make them so. President F.D. Roosevelt thought it “reasonable” to nationalize and control and centralize nearly everything. This “reasonable” regulation and government intervention in time of economic “crisis,” turned a severe recession into the “Great Depression,” causing untold millions to suffer for the stupidity and malevolence of “Progressive” control freaks.

    “How many more government cleanups of toxic waste sites do we (the taxpayers) have to pay for before businesses are held accountable for their activities in contaminating the soil and water around them? By the way, I’m not saying all companies do this. There are many, many companies that act in a responsible manner. But there also need to be consequences for bad actors who knowingly cause damage and reasonable regulation that sets some boundaries for what is acceptable and unacceptable.” – Polluters, not taxpayers, should be held accountable for their actions. In fact, the majority of polluters already do pay for clean-up – not to mention associated lawsuits. What is missing here is a justification for clean-up to be handled by the EPA, whose efforts, you might care to know, have unintentionally resulted in the deaths of more people than Superfund site pollutants. Given that there are less than 1700 Superfund sites past, present, and proposed in the entire country, it is obviously that 99.999% of companies were historically responsible without any government interference.

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    Chris,

    “I was merely trying to ascertain whether you believed a state government could require individuals to purchase health insurance as they do car insurance, which it appears you do.” – But state governments cannot require individuals to purchase health insurance in the same way they mandate car insurance, for all the reasons I said your analogy was erroneous. They can do so by an alternative route, which may rightly run awful of a state’s constitution. That is not to say, as I should have made clearer, that the federal Constitution leaves individuals completely at the mercy of Hartford and Montpelier collectivists, who only differ from their Southern agrarian Confederate ancestors in the scope of their desired slave population.

    You seem to be interpreting “more defensible” as an endorsement. To the contrary, I contend that centralized planning of health insurance markets and provision of health care is immoral, ineffective, and corrupt whether at the state or national levels. Consider the abysmal record of the one aspect of health care completely controlled by government as a result of Richard Nixon’s “Progressive” kindness: dialysis.

    As a matter of law, Obamacare is not so much unconstitutional as it is anti-constitutional. Romneycare, upon which Obamacare is modeled, is similarly a grotesque abridgment of individual liberty. To name a new example, the idea that government can “reasonably” regulate “economic decisions” opens the door to punishment for thought crimes. Remind me, how does the story of Big Brother government end?

    “So is health care (not health insurance) a privilege or a right?” – You have no more a “right” to health care than you do to health insurance, food, housing, cars, Internet access, or any of the millions of products and services that the overwhelming majority of Americans take for granted because free-market capitalism provides them in abundance. The reason is that a “right” to health care would entitle one to benefit from the genius, labor, and property of another without having to compensate them. Or, in other words, to transform scientists, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other health care workers into slaves. The Constitution has a few choice words guaranteeing individual rights to property, speech, contract, and freedom from slavery (what President Obama calls “negative” liberties because they were intended to stop government from doing things for or to individuals). The Constitution’s guaranteed individual liberties are what naïve collectivists like yourself disdain when they interfere with your social planning schemes and desire to centralize power in the hands of “experts,” of which illiberal, anti-democratic, hearing-dodgers like Donald Berwick, Christian Romer, Jared Bernstein, and Elizabeth Warren are representative.

    Professor Walter Williams offers the following example:

    “Say a person, let’s call him Harry, suffers from diabetes and he has no means to pay a laboratory for blood work, a doctor for treatment and a pharmacy for medication. Does Harry have a right to XYZ lab’s and Dr. Jones’ services and a prescription from a pharmacist? And, if those services are not provided without charge, should Harry be able to call for criminal sanctions against those persons for violating his rights to health care?

    You say, ‘Williams, that would come very close to slavery if one person had the right to force someone to serve him without pay.’ You’re right. Suppose instead of Harry being able to force a lab, doctor and pharmacy to provide services without pay, Congress uses its taxing power to take a couple of hundred dollars out of the paycheck of some American to give to Harry so that he could pay the lab, doctor and pharmacist. Would there be any difference in principle, namely forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another? There would be one important strategic difference, that of concealment.”

    He goes on to explain that “True rights, such as those in our Constitution, or those considered to be natural or human rights, exist simultaneously among people. That means exercise of a right by one person does not diminish those held by another. In other words, my rights to speech or travel impose no obligations on another except those of non-interference. If we apply ideas behind rights to health care to my rights to speech or travel, my free speech rights would require government-imposed obligations on others to provide me with an auditorium, television studio or radio station. My right to travel freely would require government-imposed obligations on others to provide me with airfare and hotel accommodations….

    To argue that people have a right that imposes obligations on another is an absurd concept. A better term for new-fangled rights to health care, decent housing and food is wishes. If we called them wishes, I would be in agreement with most other Americans for I, too, wish that everyone had adequate health care, decent housing and nutritious meals….

    Reaching into one’s own pockets to assist his fellow man in need is praiseworthy and laudable. Reaching into someone else’s pockets to do so is despicable and deserves condemnation (http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/10/IsHealthCareARight.htm ).”

    “So what do you do with all those people who can’t afford health insurance? Should they be denied health care? After all, if they can’t afford insurance it’s a pretty sure bet they can’t afford to pay for the health care. Should they be treated? If they can’t pay, they aren’t complying with the rules of the system.” – Once again a fine example of the twisted, anti-individualist logic of “Progressives.” A problem does not necessitate a solution, a solution does not necessitate government action, government action to supposedly help the few does not necessitate shredding the Constitution and thus individual liberty for all with Obamacare’s Rube Goldberg-esque Big Brother bureaucracy (http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=5ee16e0f-6ee6-4643-980e-b4d5f1d7759a).

    “Then who winds up paying for this? As you point out we already do much of this now, and it seems to be a major part of the problem.” – What is a major problem, and Jez and I agree at least on this diagnosis, is that individuals cannot be effective health insurance and care consumers. Who pays for this now? Everyone pays for government failure in the form of higher premiums to insurance company cartels, restrictions on innovation, perverse incentives that sometimes result in inferior care… these are all reason to remove, not increase, government interference.

    “And if we leave health insurance and health care regulation to the states, how does the ‘selling across state lines’ argument lower costs when each state will likely have different regulatory structures? Companies will have to tailor their plans to meet the regulatory structure of the individual state, meaning selling policies across state lines will be difficult, if not impossible for companies who will be beholden to 50 different regulatory structures.” – How do multinational companies operate in countries around the world, each with its own language, laws, and regulatory structures? How do companies operate in the United States, when each state has its own laws, regulatory structures, and tax rates?

    Isn’t all this variation redundant and wasteful? I mean, when you go to buy a computer in the free-market, isn’t it awful that there are so many choices as to brand, size, style, memory, speed, operating system, graphics card, monitor, peripherals. You can even build your own computer or have one built to your exact specifications. Wouldn’t it be better if there was just one drab,pretty good, one-size-fits-all “public option” provided by government that would “protect” consumers from all these harmful choices that many don’t understand, eliminate computer manufacturers’ “discriminatory” practice of providing higher-end products for those who can pay more, and ensure that everyone has “equal access” because basic computing is a “right”?

    I know it is hard to understand given your love of centralized power and our latter-day Nimrod, President Obama, but diversity is a good thing. While I am opposed to state mandates as a violation of the individual right to freely contract (see my post on Sen. Kelly), the restrictions at issue are federal law. Remove those trade barriers, stop having government protect insurance company cartels, and significant price reductions and quality increases will accrue to the benefits of individual health consumers as a result of competition. It is certainly true that some states will impose more mandates than others, and thus increase costs for their citizens. But that happens now. Citizens respond by voting with their feet to leave high tax-and-spend states or by voting out the “Progressives” who imposed such onerous, unreasonable legislation, taxation, and regulations. For examples, Connecticut is losing population while New Jersey elected a Republican reformer, albeit narrowly.

    The problem, Chris, is your own. To quote Virginia Postrel: “Competition among rules infuriates stasists. It thwarts their ambition to force everyone to conform to a single, static vision. It turns the grand designs they clam as ‘The Way’ into just one more alternative, one more product in the marketplace of ideas.”

    Since you’re such a fan of Ayn Rand that you disparage the lassiez-faire capitalism she championed, I offer her at her acerbic non-fiction best in further reply:

    “Out of context, such a goal can usually be shown to be desirable; it has to be public, because the costs are not to be earned, but to be expropriated; and a dense patch of
    venomous fog has to shroud the issue of means—because the means are to
    be human lives….

    The examples of such projects are innumerable: ‘Isn’t it desirable to clean
    up the slums?’ (dropping the context of what happens to those in the next
    income bracket)—’Isn’t it desirable to have beautiful, planned cities, all of
    one harmonious style?’ (dropping the context of whose choice of style is to
    be forced on the home builders)—’Isn’t it desirable to have an educated
    public?’ (dropping the context of who will do the educating, what will be
    taught, and what will happen to dissenters)—’Isn’t it desirable to liberate the
    artists, the writers, the composers from the burden of financial problems and leave them free to create?’ (dropping the context of such questions as: which
    artists, writers and composers?—chosen by whom?—at whose expense?—at
    the expense of the artists, writers and composers who have no political pull
    and whose miserably precarious incomes will be taxed to ‘liberate’ that
    privileged elite?)—’Isn’t science desirable?[‘]….
    ….
    The next time you encounter one of those ‘public-spirited’ dreamers who
    tells you rancorously that ‘some very desirable goals cannot be achieved
    without everybody’s participation,’ tell him that if he cannot obtain
    everybody’s voluntary participation, his goals had jolly well better remain
    unachieved—and that men’s lives are not his to dispose of.”

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    Jez,
     
    “MY coercive means?” – Yes, Jez, who pays for all the “free” things you want the national government to provide? Where does the money come from? How is it obtained? Are taxes voluntary?

    Jez, your question is what Milton Friedman called the “underlying basic fallacy in this whole set of Social Security and Welfare measures. And that is the fallacy — this is at the bottom of it — the fallacy that it is feasible and possible to do good with other people’s money. Now, you see that fallacy — that view — has two flaws. If I want to do good with other people’s money I’d first have to take it away from them. That means that the welfare state philosophy of doing good with other people’s money, at its very bottom, is a philosophy of violence and coercion. It’s against freedom, because you have to use force to get the money. In the second place, very few people spend other people’s money as carefully as they spend their own.”
     
    “You think so? I seem to recall GOP cuts in almost every social program from Section 8 to HeadStart.” – LOL. You’re kidding, right? By “cuts” do you mean “massive increases”? If that is what you meant, then you would be correct because those cold-hearted enemies of the poor people were so cold-hearted and against the poor people that they spent an unprecedented amount of our taxpayer money (3% of GDP) on (failed) anti-poverty programs.

    There is much more evidence of the non-existent “cuts” to the social safety net of which you speak. But let me be clear: HeadStart is a horrible idea, fails in practice, wastes taxpayer money—and thus President Obama wants to expand it.

    As for Section 8, what is wrong with taxpayer-backed subprime mortgages for all? Republicans and Democrats both agreed at the time that everyone, regardless of whether they could actually afford it, needed a house. Do you really expect taxpayers to subsidize everyone’s home ownership and rentals? That didn’t work out too well for Rep. Rangel.
     
    As Veronique de Rugy concludes in her impeccable quantitative study of the last decade, “Republicans often claim to be the party of smaller government. Many Republicans would express support for Ronald Reagan’s observation: ‘Growth, prosperity and ultimately human fulfillment, are created from the bottom up, not the government down.’

    Unfortunately, after Republicans are elected to political office, they tend to fall into the Washington trap of assuming that more federal spending will solve the nation’s problems.”
     
    President George W. Bush, she writes, “increased government spending more than any of the six presidents preceding him, including LBJ…. During his eight years in office, President Bush spent almost twice as much as his predecessor, President Clinton.  Adjusted for inflation, in eight years, President Clinton increased the federal budget by 11 percent. In eight years, President Bush increased it by a whopping 104 percent….
     
     
    To make matter worse, President Bush’s enactment of the Medicare prescription drug bill will make the coming fiscal crunch from entitlements much worse. Congress and President Bush enacted a new multi-billion [dollar] entitlement program in December 2003 even though the budget was already deep into deficit and entitlements have huge long-term financing shortfalls. This fiscally reckless act was the biggest expansion in Medicare since its inception…. (http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/publication/WP0904_GAP_Spending%20Under%20President%20George%20W%20Bush.pdf)
     
    Jez, I know it must be painful to accept the abysmal record of your good intentions in practice – and perhaps more so that a “Progressive” Republican named George W. Bush was responsible for implementation – but the record is clear: one decade, trillions of dollars, and Big Brother government has failed at accomplishing any social good.
     
    But don’t despair! President Obama is coming in lower than President Bush’s exceedingly low bar. Surely, you’re not going to argue that President Obama, who raised the national debt by $3 Trillion in 2 years, hasn’t spent enough?! (Admittidly, according to Keynes’ and Krugman’s circular logic, “more” is never enough).
     
    “I also seem to recall huge spending cuts in regulatory agencies like the FDA and SEC. I remember the repeal of Glass-Steagall allowing banks to take our money to the casino with no danger of losing.” – Do you think there is any politically biased selectivity to your hazy recollections?

    Of course the truth is quite the opposite. I give you more number-crunching by Veronique de Rugy “The Bush team has spent more taxpayer money on issuing and enforcing regulations than any previous administration in U.S. history. Between fiscal year 2001 and fiscal year 2009, outlays on regulatory activities, adjusted for inflation, increased from $26.4 billion to an estimated $42.7 billion, or 62 percent. By contrast, President Clinton increased real spending on regulatory activities by 31 percent, from $20.1 billion in 1993 to $26.4 billion in 2001….
     
    During both his terms, President Bush outspent every one of his recent predecessors. In his first term, he increased spending on regulatory agencies by $8.3 billion, almost doubling what President Clinton—the second biggest spender—spent during his second term.

    ….adjusted for inflation, expenditures for the category of finance and banking were cut by 3 percent during the Clinton years and rose 29 percent from 2001 to 2009, making it hard to argue that Bush deregulated the financial sector….
     
    It takes a lot of bureaucrats to create and enforce all those regulations. In eight years, Bush increased the federal government’s regulatory staff by 91,196 employees. Clinton cut it by 969 (http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/10/bushs-regulatory-kiss-off).”
     
    So, again, if by “spending cuts” you meant President Bush’s hiring 91,196 bureaucrats, increasing regulatory spending by $8.3 billion in only his first four years, and increasing finance and banking regulators’ budgets by 29 percent in eight years, then you would be correct.
     
    Question: How did we ever survive in that dark, merciless, benighted decade – the 1990s – before President Bush (and now Obama) wisely promulgated all these regulations, programs, agencies, and spent these impossibly vast sums?
     
    “For the same reason you don’t give someone $1,000 in spending money without requiring receipts. The money gets spent and you have no idea where or how.” – I agree. It is important to consider where and how taxpayer money is spent, but what about the results? As former Soviet propagandist turned American free-market capitalist provocateur Oleg Atbashian asks “Why is there never a headline that says ‘Government program ends as its intended goal has been achieved’?”
     
    Judged by results, not intentions, you must agree with me that the Departments of Energy and Education (to name two large examples) should be disbanded because each monstrosity was created to accomplish specific goals, the tens of thousands of bureaucrats responsible for doing so have spent decades and hundreds of billions of our taxpayer dollars, and taxpayers have nothing to show for it.
     
    “I don’t believe I have ever stated that government (at any level) was honest and trustworthy.” – True. You just always assume that the right politicians and bureaucrats as well as more of other people’s money should and will ameliorate X social problem. This is a readymade excuse for when, as all collectivist polices are wont to do, the policy fails. At that time, we hear that the politicians and bureaucrats were inept or corrupt or (frequently) both, and that not enough of other people’s money was spent. Fair enough. But do you see the root problem with this thinking?… to argue for more national government control and spending requires the unfounded belief that the politicians and bureaucrats will be honest and trustworthy. To say otherwise is to, in essence, to believe that the national government should have more money and power even though we know much of the money will be wasted by wasted and powers abused.

    If we’re talking about your money, be our guest, donate to the Treasury: https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454.
     
    Uncle Sam accepts checks and credit cards. Don’t wait to feel the pleasure of raising other people’s taxes, raise taxes on yourself… today!

    (Don’t laugh. Americans are so generous that in 2009 they donated $3+ Billion to Uncle Sam. 2010 saw contributions, i.e., voluntary monetary gifts, fall slightly to $2.8+ Billion).

    I will stick to private charities that actually have to prove their efficacy, justify their overhead, and exist on the basis of their demonstrated accomplishments in feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, educating children, pioneering medical research, creating opportunities for art and music, advancing the cause of individual liberty, caring for animals — all of which is best accomplished by free individuals in civil society.
     
    “Whoa! Hold on there, Buckaroo! ‘Hand-out’? Can you explain that one, please? Your rhetoric can be misunderstood. She paid into a system for 50 years.” – Certainly. I obliged your request for an explanation on why Social Security is immoral (though not absolute evil – can we agree not to abbreviate?) above. While you haven’t responded to any of those substantive points, I hope you will at least read them, including how Social Security “contributions” are legally taxes, Social Security is PAYGO (i.e., today’s workers pay for today’s retirees), and the government has no obligation to return “contributions” to you at retirement because it’s not your money and there is no account with your name on it. A “benefit” check, then, is something technically received at the expense of others, even if your taxes are greater than whatever is eventually received, which is frequently the case with people on low incomes — an immoral consequence of Social Security’s racist and sexist creators.
     
    “Her SS check put her below the poverty level. Had she taken her money and placed it in the market instead, it is doubtful she would have any left when it plummeted down to the 700′s. As many people who have IRA’s, 401K’s, Roth’s know painfully well.” – I appreciate the “doubtful.” In fact, any investment vehicle that pays more than 0% (what Social Security pays) would be better, especially when you’re talking about decades of compounding interest and dividends as well as historically increasing stock prices.

    The real issue, however, is not about how Social Security performs versus real insurance, annuities, and retirement plans. It is obvious to everyone that Social Security cannot compete against the private sector. The issue is why taxpayers can’t opt-out? Individual taxpayers, after all, are the ones who can best decide how to utilize 12.4% of their yearly incomes. If they want to save their money for their retirement or spend it now on their needs, that choice, morally, should be entirely up to them.

    How can you support a “public option” for Obamacare while opposing a “private option” for Social Security? And, by private option, I don’t mean a Wall Street bailout of government-imposed retirement accounts; I mean letting individuals keep their money and do with their money as they please.
     
    “I don’t believe it was deliberate.” – Apology accepted.
     
    “The example I gave was about morality.” – Accusing me of wanting to take Social Security and Medicare away from people who legitimately need those services now is a low blow, particularly when I’m on record saying the opposite. It is also bizarre when you say not a word about the gravest threat to Social Security and Medicare and indeed the entire social safety net: President Obama, whose polices are hastening the day when not enough private wealth will be left for redistribution. Then what? Only the radical reform agenda championed by some Republicans (Senator Rand Paul and Gov. Chris Christie come to mind) will save current “beneficiaries” from the coming systemic collapse.
     
    “Ridiculous? I see it nearly every day.” – Yes, ridiculous. You would have us believe that the 1990s was straight out of Dickens because President Clinton actually cut the number of national government bureaucrats, eliminated an entire welfare entitlement, declared an end to big government, and managed to run a balanced budget by spending a fraction of what his successors have. My recollection of the 1990s is that they were very good, and that assessment is growing stronger with each comparative analysis between Clinton, Bush, and Obama that I read.
     
    “When LEAP gets cut by the GOP, do you think UI, SCG, Santa Fuel, CL&P will make up the difference?” – Where are these mythical members of the GOP who are cutting LIEAP? And how exactly did they cut it in 2008 and 2009 when Democrats were in the majority in Congress and won the White House? Speaker Pelosi came to power in 2006, remember?

    There is just one other problem with your recollection… Connecticut’s share of LIEAP funds has been increasing, from $41.75 Million in 2008 to $95.78 Million in 2009 to $96.42 Million in 2010 — an increase of about 131% over that period. Overall it is true that there was a slight decrease between 2010 and 2009, from a little over $5 Billion to $4.9 Billion for funds earmarked for states. I am as outraged as you are that in their $3 Trillion debt-financed spending spree, President Obama and Democrats allowed for this precipitous decline. The obvious conclusion is that President Obama and Democrats don’t like low income people in need of energy assistance 😉

    But since LIEAP has never spent more money in Connecticut than in the past couple years, how is it that you claim to be seeing the devastating effects of “cuts”?! And, more absurdly, that Republicans are responsible for these non-existent cuts?!
     
    As to whether energy companies would make up the difference, of course they and private individuals and charities would. What happened before LIEAP, Jez? Or did the world not exist before 1981? Did people simply freeze to death in winter in this country? It is probably the case that many current recipients could afford to go without the subsidy by changing their spending priorities. Ditto Bush’s new Medicare prescription drug entitlement, which is unnecessary for the vast majority of seniors and is more appropriately thought of as a payoff for the senior vote.

    “ Do YOU check off the box on your bill and kick in a dollar?” – No, because I don’t know how the money will be spent, the hidden taxes (see my Sen. Kelly post) account for much more than a dollar each month, and my taxpayer dollars are already going for LIEAP, which is supposed to take care of the problem. Why should I contribute more to the middleman (government) rather than helping people directly? Are you implying that the bureaucrats don’t know best? If LIEAP is a success, why is there still an unmet need?

    As Atbashian says “If a politician gets elected by the poor on a promise to eliminate poverty, wouldn’t fulfilling his promise destroy his voting base? Wouldn’t he rather benefit from the growing numbers of poor people? Isn’t this an obvious conflict of interests?”

    If you care to join me in opposing Sen. Kelly, the DPUC and its corporate cronies, I will gladly kick in whatever I am now forced to pay for UI’s bottom-line and the State’s slush funds. I would much prefer for my money to go to directly helping people in need.

    “I think there will be a lot of very cold seniors next winter.” – If you crowd-out the private sector with your beloved bureaucracy, as is the consequence of every government intervention in areas rightly left to civil society, don’t be surprised when failure is the result.

    “There just aren’t enough private eleemosynary organizations to handle it.” – Nonsense. Americans give in excess of $300 Billion to charity each year. And they would undoubtedly give more if taxed less. LIEAP costs about $5 Billion. On what basis are you denying that individual Americans can help each other, with greater efficacy and more cost efficiency, by cutting out the government middleman?

    You’re essentially arguing that American taxpayers be forced to pay retail for inferior services when they can freely chose to pay wholesale for superior services. Do you really take us all for schlemiels?

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    Jez,
     
    “There is a problem with that. On paper it sounds great, but I am going to posit that most people will spend that money on food, rent or mortgage payments when times are hard. Like now.” – That is not a problem with my proposal. It does beg the question of why you think “most” people are incapable of prioritizing medical spending over other priorities. This a retread of your argument that taxpayers can’t be trusted to properly invest 12.4% of their yearly income for their own retirement, which prompted my (still unanswered) question of why you “trust these poor, helpless children with the other 87.6%?!!!” (actually much less after other taxes).
     
    As a practical matter, you seem to forget that health insurance benefits provided by one’s employer are paid for by the employee in lieu of salary. If employees were able to spend those dollars themselves, where able to purchase individual coverage on a free-market in health insurance, and pay for most care directly, the vast majority of people would be in better shape (financially and healthfully).
     
    “A high deductible isn’t magic. The patient (you and me) must come up with the deductible. It’s called ‘high’ for a reason. You must also pay premiums in the meantime. As it stands now, the ‘portability’ aspect means that your ‘group’ is you and your family. Even higher premiums. That is only if you are not denied coverage for some pre-existing thing. If you are very healthy and have never had anything more serious than a cold and you have an extra $5,000-$15,000 lying around, an HSA is not so bad.” – I agree with all of this as an accurate picture of why my proposal is impossible in the current, government-created disaster that is our cartelized health insurance and care arrangements. What you have said is immaterial to how my proposal, or a proposal along the same individualist lines, would fair if adopted in place of the existing system.
     
    “Really?” – I said “primarily.”
     
    “Do you think companies and organizations can sustain 12-57% premium increases year after year?” – I am not the one who is supporting the insurance company cartels or their bailout in the form of ObamaCare. If you want higher quality and reduce individual costs, I don’t know, maybe we should try what works everywhere it has ever been allowed to work: laissez-faire capitalism for the health insurance market.
     
    “You definitely need more time in a corporate environment. New and innovative approaches do not do well in conferences or committee meetings.” – I’ll take your word for it while noting that corporations do not have a guaranteed right to life (at least they didn’t before Presidents Bush and Obama). Those companies that treat their workers best and harness their individual genius will outpace its rivals. Those who don’t will not succeed in the long-term. But don’t take my word for it: http://www.cbs.com/video/video.php?pid=n8gzOtIQRDhc9wcfh3oFq72wFWiQg1fX (shocking, right? A company that provides brilliant, popular products for “free” and treats its workers exceptionally well. Oh, and one of its founders, now a multi-billionaire, was a refugee of a persecuted minority from the Soviet Union. Maybe that is why his company, Google, is such an exemplar of free-market capitalism).
     
    “And then there is the ability to write grants and receive approval placing the risk entirely on someone else.” – Grant writing is worthwhile (sometimes) as a feedback loop. If you can’t get someone else to give you money for your idea, then there is a good chance it is not worthwhile, or needs work, or is not being advocated effectively.
     
    “The U.S. is not a perfect paradise for innovative ideas.” – Who said perfect? I leave perfection to the current and former “Worker’s Paradises” in Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, North Korea, USSR, Third Reich, Khmer Rouge Cambodia…

    Individuals vote with their feet to come here. Why do you think we have an illegal immigration problem? This is supposed to be the land of opportunity where anyone can work hard and succeed or fail. Success is not guaranteed. Individuals struggle simply for the opportunity to prove their merit in a competitive market — an opportunity often closed to them at home by failed collectivist (anti-free market, anti-free trade) government polices. Which begs the question (in Oleg Atbashian’s paraphrase of an old Soviet joke):

    “America is capitalist and greedy — yet half of the population is subsidized.
    Half of the population is subsidized — yet they think they are victims.
    They think they are victims — yet their representatives run the government.
    Their representatives run the government — yet the poor keep getting poorer.
    The poor keep getting poorer — yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.
    They have things that people in other countries only dream about — yet they want America to be more like those other countries.”

    “Sigh…you said to name one. I did. Don’t go all ‘George’ on me now.” – George, I will take this as a compliment since, even when you are far afield (in my opinion), your heart is always in the right place. By the way, I liked the housing article. Lassiez-faire is the economic means of organizing society presupposed by the Founders and the only one compatible with the Constitution’s protections of individual civil and economic liberty. You and I are opposed to crony (or what you call “vulture”) capitalism, which is more accurately described as corporate socialism.
     
    Jez, that said, I don’t think my comment was far afield. Do you deny that “The innovations of Korolyov and Fyodorov were because, in contradiction to Marxist-Leninism, they were given a modicum of freedom”? Maybe we can phrase this differently. Would you trade whatever you were driving a couple decades back for a Trabant? How about a vintage Zil, the pride of the USSR’s Communist Party Elite? I would wager that you would take a classic American car any day over its socialist contemporaries.

    Maybe you would prefer to partake of the People’s air and water, protected by the Soviet bureaucrats who always kept the environment’s best interests at heart as opposed to American bourgeois capitalist self-interested profit-driven charging for necessities (bottled water, anyone?) ? What do you say, American air and water before the EPA and “Clean Air Act” or Soviet air and water?

    This is a time for choosing.

  101. 101 portia1776

    Let us see who really cares for the poor by your reactions to the anti-poverty agenda of Professor Steven Horwitz. The purpose of his agenda is to “restore the the sawed-off bottom rungs” of the socio-economic ladder. Speak up, who is in favor of greater opportunity and prosperity for the poor? Who believes in continued government social engineering and generational dependency?

    “First, eliminate all minimum-wage and occupational-licensure laws. Almost all these laws have their origins in racism and xenophobia: One need only look to the racist authors of South African apartheid, who used minimum-wage laws to help carry out their malign objectives, and the U.S unions that pushed for such laws to explicitly keep blacks and foreigners from competing for jobs. Racial or ethnic majorities with political power have consistently harmed their poorer, minority fellow citizens this way. These laws cut off the bottom rungs of the economic ladder for those lacking the skills to earn higher wages or the capital to pay for the licensing requirements.

    Second, open up the public schools to competition, if not outright abolishing them. Urban public schools are not just ineffective, they are also positively destructive of human capital. Throwing more money at them hasn’t worked, and it’s time to give poor Americans, especially poor folks of color, the opportunity to get the education they deserve by making schools actually compete for students. The combination of awful public schools and minimum-wage and licensure laws has kept more Americans poor than any other set of policies of the twentieth century, and they have damaged African-Americans more than anything the Klan ever did.

    Third, end the War on Drugs. The culture of violence created by the drug war, along with the way that it has driven legitimate businesses out of poor areas, has done a great deal to impoverish Americans — especially Americans of color. In addition, it has destroyed families by arresting people, disproportionately poor and nonwhite, for victimless crimes. (The police enforcing these laws also routinely destroy families by arresting the wrong people, often killing innocents in the process.) Legalization would take the profit and violence out of the drug trade and make poor urban areas increasingly hospitable for businesses and thus jobs.

    My list could have been longer, but this is where I would start. Too many poor Americans are stuck in poverty because government puts structural barriers in their way (http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/antipoverty-agenda/ ).”

  102. 102 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Oy vey!

    “Do you really take us all for schlemiels?”

    No. It is a shonda. But what can you expect when you put goyim in charge?

  103. 103 1george1

    Portia, the length of your posts and continuations make it
    impossible to reply, at the beginning of a workday

    A favorite author of PORTIA was on Charlie Rose last night
    Nassim Nicholas TaleB
    “Black Swan”
    “Bed of Procrustes” practical Aphorisms

    Interesting perspective about so called experts charting
    preditable and managed future growth and not talking
    into account humanities’ way of creating unintended
    consequences.

    Teachers are 15 % of Democratic Convention and Labor
    works the phones, with police, fire, teachers, and unions
    bribed by politicians ….

    Republicans talk Small Government but practice Big Business.

    Democrats want Big Government attacking Big Business.

    Big Business using Republicans to destroy government & oversight.
    (so they can freely rob everything??)

    These are my words, from what I remember of his positions.

    My thought is the Democrats and Republicans are so entrenched
    attacking each other and trying to enrich their allies, they are the
    REAL ENEMY of American Citizens and the World.

    I hate the fact the HIPPIES, were RIGHT about VIETNAM!

    I hate the fact that many critics are RIGHT about the AMERICAN
    GOVERNMENT and they can not differenciate between them …
    and U. S.!

  104. 104 1george1

    There are differences between logical, defineable, clear, plain,
    and preponderant evidence of facts and circumstances AND

    Intuitive knowledge, where “ya just know something is true” from
    experience and knowledge, but ya can’t explain it or prove it …
    Y E T …. !

    I know certain people in the SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES
    and in BRITISH RANK knew the U.S.S.R. was going to quit the COLD
    WAR in DEC 1987, on the 200 th Anniversary of the CONSTITUTION
    initial RATIFICATION.

    I know it caught the Military flat footed.

    I know certain BRITISH RANK mocked the others.
    NOTE the YEAR and SPECS of the “OFFICIAL SECRETS ACT!”

    Imagine the surprize of the same BRITISH RANK to find PRINCESS DIANE
    was an “arranged and planned” marriage.

    The BRITISH RANK were extremely unhappy with the possibility of
    PRINCESS DIANE giving birth to a CHILD of COLOR, whose father’s
    uncle was Turkish/Saudi ARMS DEALER ADNAN KASHHOGGI.
    > Such a “brown child” would be a distant Moslem claimant to the
    British crown, in a country, where “White man’s burden” mentality
    still exists among certain circles.

    I 100 % believe this to be true, despite my extreme distance from
    the specific facts.
    However it is intuitive and … at this point … unprovable.

    It puts no money in my pocket ….
    Like some people say … I have no dog in the hunt …

    I care about my family and friends, my community, my country,
    and people in general.

    Power and Nature abhors a vacuum …

    Games people play ….

    Patriot games ….
    That have no shame … no self respect .. the games and delusions
    of power … they feed on pain … on steering the issues and people.
    Sick.
    Sad.

  105. 105 cstratct

    Portia,

    This statement makes your position extremely clear:

    “You have no more a “right” to health care than you do to health insurance, food, housing, cars, Internet access, or any of the millions of products and services that the overwhelming majority of Americans take for granted because free-market capitalism provides them in abundance.”

    So people who are out of work not because of anything they’ve done or didn’t do, who have no income because their former employer decided they were expendable (or were unable to survive in this economy), are on their own. If you can’t afford food, tough. If you can’t afford medical care, not our problem. You can’t afford a place to live, sucks to be you. Free-market capitalism doesn’t provide anything. Products are available within that market, but according to your position, they are only abundant if you have the cash to afford them. Supply and demand is it not? We can have an overabundance of supply, but if there’s no demand, those supplies don’t do much good, do they?

    Perhaps the Declaration of Independence should have a disclaimer:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.*”

    *Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness available only for those able to afford it.

    Access to a car or internet service is completely different than access to live-saving medical care or food that keeps a person alive. I have no problem expecting people to pay their fair share for any product or service. But we also have a society in which there are people who, by no fault of their own, are in dire circumstances and unable to provide even the basics because the market doesn’t provide the opportunities necessary for those people to raise themselves up.

    When the market can provide full employment for every individual so that he or she can support themselves and pay for the products and services that sustain them, that is when this country would enter your utopian capitalist system. Were those things to happen (full employment, living wages for people to support themselves and their families), and those outcomes can be sustained through society you describe, I’ll gladly support your prescriptions.

    You keep attacking my belief that there is a need for responsible regulation, erroneously suggesting that I support unfettered government control, a position which I have consistently rejected. I have pointed out laws which I believe are inconsistent with our Constitution. But I do believe the government has the right to say certain things shouldn’t be dumped into the water, or buried underground, and that you can’t have a toxic landfill next to (or under) a school.

    Some polluters pay to clean up their messes, others fight in court for years claiming their toxic chemicals had nothing to do with contamination or the resulting health issues for those living near the site. If it is less costly to fight in court then pay the cleanup costs, which course do you expect them to take? After all, as you have consistently argued, the bottom line for a business is profitability.

    And you’re going to dismiss 1,700 superfund sites as insignificant? On average 34 per state. How many acres of land does that equate to? What is the environmental impact of those 1,700 sites? And where do you go with the pollutants that are in those sites? Nobody wants contaminated soil near them, which is why Stratford continues to struggle with the issue. Your feeble attempt to make the problem seem insignificant hardly negates the serious damage these sites cause in a community.

    Finally, holding companies accountable after the fact is too little, too late for those suffering from life-threatening illnesses causes by the toxic chemicals those companies unleashed on unknowing residents. All the money in the world doesn’t matter if a person’s life is ended prematurely because of a company’s wrongdoing. Who should have more rights in this case, the individual who had a right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” or the company that created the circumstances that infringed upon those rights?

  106. 106 1george1

    Chris,
    I believe you will find the Supreme Court Judges what is Constitutional
    or unConstitutional and does NOT Judge what matches the intents
    within “Declaration of Independence.”

    The Constitution was ratified as the rules of running the government.

    The Declaration might be considered as the Constitution’s purview, as it
    is by many.
    However, others might consider “common sense,” “the Federalist Papers,
    “the Rights of Man,” “Virginia Declaration of Rights,” or “anti-Federalist,”
    and others as the Constitution’s basis .

    I believe the United States would dramatically improve if the Senate and
    Congress passed a law for the Supreme Court to incorporate positions
    within the Declaration of Independence when considering if a law or act
    was Constitutional or not?

    Otherwise, I generally agree with you post … except I do not believe
    Portia is a Utopian.
    I suggest the appropriate word is more likely rigid ideologue.
    Although Portia’s range of positions can zig zag from a certain base point!

  107. 107 1george1

    Sunday talk show commentators differenciated among the (R + T) party
    there are candidates whose focus is on FINANCE and others whose focus
    is on SOCIAL ISSUES. They indicate FINANCE are on the forefront so far.
    They indicated the SOCIAL focus candidates have held back and no one has stepped up who can address both FINANCE and SOCIAL.

    GEO: Both are playing rope a dope, at the expense of the working man,
    working woman, and privately held businesses and investments.
    To me, it appears they intend to steal everything they can!!!

    As a FISCAL Conservative Liberal and a SOCIAL Liberal Conservative
    (indicating where I am on the spectrum > not hedging myself!)
    I find this overdue as I believe the black robes have done more damage
    than the white robed:

    YAHOO today

    Liberals vs. SCOTUS conservatives
    POLITICO

    Kenneth P. Vogel Kenneth P. Vogel – Mon Mar 7, 4:43 am ET
    Still reeling from a 2010 Supreme Court ruling that opened the door to an explosion of political ads from corporate interests, and fearful the court could overturn President Barack Obama’s healthcare overhaul, liberal groups have launched an aggressive – and at times personal – attack on the court’s most conservative justices.

    The sharp questioning of the impartiality and ethics of Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and to a lesser extent Samuel Alito represents the most concerted attack on a bloc of justices since the early 1970s, when conservatives waged a long campaign against the liberal justices of the Warren Court, most notably Justices William O. Douglas and Abe Fortas.

    Thomas and Scalia have been accused of undermining public confidence in the court by engaging in partisan politics and making decisions that could benefit the political and financial interests of their family and associates. And both justices have faced calls for the Justice Department to investigate alleged conflicts of interest and possibly to invalidate their votes in the 2010 decision on political spending, Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission. One low-profile liberal watchdog group last week even asked the Missouri Supreme Court to disbar Thomas. Alito has been criticized for speaking at fundraising events for conservative groups opposed to Obama’s agenda. Only Chief Justice John Roberts, the fourth staunch conservative on the court, has been relatively immune from the same kind of criticism.

    For liberals, the disposition – and, to some extent, the public perception – of the court is of looming concern as key aspects of Obama’s ambitious domestic agenda appear on a collision course with the Supreme Court’s conservative bloc, which has been able to lure swing Justice Anthony Kennedy on key cases, including Citizens United. Obama’s surprisingly blunt criticism of the majority’s decision in that case during his 2010 state of the union address seemed to set the tone for the scrutiny that followed.

    “What we’re seeing is that there is major concern among liberals that the four dyed-in-the-wool conservatives on the court – with Justice Kennedy when they’re able to bring him on board – are now in a period of real activism,” said Noah Feldman, a Harvard law professor who wrote a book about the sometimes heated battles surrounding the jurisprudence of the liberal justices Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed to the Supreme Court.

    [ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]

    “In this (modern) context, it’s not so surprising that attacks on the justices would veer from the purely ideological into attempts to delegitimize the justices personally, to some extent,” said Feldman, who clerked for retired liberal Justice David Souter but nonetheless drew fire from the left for a February New York Times op-ed arguing that the political engagement of Thomas and Scalia pales in comparison to their predecessors, and actually could help better inform their decisions.

    The condemnation of the two justices seems “suspiciously partisan,” Feldman wrote, and other legal scholars and court watchers from across the political spectrum have also dismissed the campaign as a stretch, at best, and dangerous, at worst.

    But Arn Pearson, a campaign finance and ethics lawyer who is a vice president at the left-leaning watchdog group Common Cause, which has helped lead the liberal scrutiny of the court, said the charges have both legal merit and popular traction.

    “In my memory, I haven’t seen this level of brazen political activity” by Supreme Court justices, Pearson said last week, adding “what you’re hearing is an outpouring of people being upset about the court being politicized in a way that it hasn’t been in decades.”

    Common Cause frames the criticism as part of a non-partisan push to make the Supreme Court more ethical and transparent. But other liberal critics acknowledge they’re motivated by the court’s rightward tack under Roberts, and by the way conservatives have capitalized on Citizens United.

    “This issue does not come up in a vacuum,” Rep. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said last week after a press conference unveiling a bill to extend a judicial code of conduct to the Supreme Court and require justices to disclose why they did – or did not – recuse themselves from cases.

    In explaining the impetus for the bill, Murphy, who is running for Senate, cited the conservative groups that cropped up after Citizens United and aired tens of millions of ads targeting Democrats (including him) in 2010. But Murphy also told POLITICO “my interest is certainly piqued by the fact that they may be taking on one of the most important piece of social legislation in this generation – the healthcare law.”

    Nan Aaron, president of the liberal group Alliance for Justice, which endorsed Murphy’s bill, said the effort has a wider target than just the Citizens United decision or the healthcare law Democrats passed last year, which is the subject of a handful of lawsuits working their way through the federal courts and is expected ultimately to be resolved by the Supreme Court.

    “There’s been a concerted effort by the Roberts Court to take many more business cases and to make decisions in favor of large corporations at the expense of everyday Americans,” said Aaron.

    Her group, which campaigned to defeat the nominations of Roberts and Alito, last month released a letter signed by more than 100 law professors urging congressional hearings on the Supreme Court’s ethics rules, which it indicated was prompted by “questionable activities” by Thomas, Scalia and Alito “that give the appearance of partisanship.”

    Among the activities with which liberal court critics have taken issue:

    -Scalia and Thomas in January of 2007 and 2008, respectively, attended events connected to the conservative donor conferences organized by the billionaire industrialist Koch brothers, David and Charles, who have donated or raised millions for groups that aired hard-hitting ads attacking Democrats, including at least one that took advantage of the spending flexibility afforded them by Citizens United.

    -Thomas’s wife Virginia formed a tea party non-profit group in late 2009 that campaigned against the Democratic healthcare overhaul and formed a lobbying shop late last year that sought meetings with a host of Republican freshman lawmakers who want to repeal the overhaul.

    – Thomas failed to report his wife’s income over the past decade, prompting the judge to amend 13 years’ worth of disclosure reports after Common Cause filed a complaint about the missing information.

    -Scalia gave a January speech to a group of predominately Republican lawmakers organized by the House Tea Party Caucus.

    -Alito attended a fundraising dinner for the conservative American Spectator magazine.

    Citing Virginia Thomas’s tea party group’s fundraising, as well as the trips her husband and Scalia took to the Koch meetings, Common Cause in January asked the Justice Department to investigate whether the justices should have recused themselves from the Citizens United decision and to consider moving to vacate the decision.

    And Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) is laying the groundwork for a similar challenge should the court overturn the healthcare overhaul, having collected 90 House Democrats’ signatures on a letter urging Thomas to recuse himself from any healthcare case because of his wife’s work.

    “I don’t see this as part of some broader tactical play,” said Weiner, who also intends to co-sponsor Murphy’s bill. “But I can say this: if Justice Thomas does not recuse himself and the court rules (to strike down) the law, I will be making the point that this is not a credible decision.”

    Yet, even liberal legal experts have brushed off the complaints as hollow.

    In an appearance with Weiner on CNN last month, the network’s liberal legal commentator Jeffrey Toobin flatly rejected the Democratic congressman’s call for Thomas to recuse himself from the healthcare case.

    “I don’t think there is even a specter of a conflict of interest,” said Toobin.

    And Michael Waldman, executive director of the left-leaning Brennan Center for Justice at New York University’s School of Law, called the allegations that Thomas and Scalia were biased by their affiliation with the Koch retreat “meritless. We see no basis for the accusations that the Justices’ decisions are based on anything but the merits.” He warned that “people should think very hard before asking prosecutors to investigate judges just because they dislike the decisions they make.”

    In dismissing as “far-fetched” Common Cause’s request that the Justice Department investigate whether the justices’ Koch conference appearances warranted recusal, the Washington Post editorial board noted that liberal justices also have affiliated with groups that have had interests before the court.

    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for instance, appeared at a 2004 lecture series cosponsored by the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, two weeks after taking the liberal group’s side in a medical screening case before the court.

    And, though the justice’s late husband, Martin Ginsburg, was for years a partner in a high-powered corporate law firm, Harvard’s Feldman asserted in his Times’ op-ed “surely no one believes that his career made his wife … more positively inclined toward corporate interests.”

    Likewise, Feldman was amused by a December Times editorial urging Scalia to reject the Tea Party Caucus invitation lest he “give the impression that he was joining the throng — confirming his new moniker as the ‘Justice from the Tea Party’.”

    In an interview with POLITICO, Feldman said “Justice Scalia had his views a long time before there was a tea party. Maybe the tea party is following Justice Scalia, but he’s definitely not following the tea party.”

    Feldman compared the current targeting of justices to the liberal attacks on the Supreme Court in the 1920s and 1930s, when justices (led by conservatives who liberals branded ‘the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse”) struck down progressive legislation as violating property rights, as well as to the conservative attacks on the liberal Warren Court in the 1960s and early 1970s.

    Those attacks – which included moves by congressional Republicans to impeach Fortas and Douglas over their acceptance of payments from foundations funded by controversial liberals – eventually forced Fortas’s resignation from the court.

    “The motivation was ideological but the form of the attacks could be extremely personal,” Feldman said.

    Thomas himself pushed back on the attacks in a speech late last month to a symposium sponsored by the conservative Federalist Society, in which he said his critics appear “bent on undermining” the court and defended himself and his wife as “focused on defending liberty.”

    Some on the right, meanwhile, have speculated that the liberal push to get Thomas to recuse from any healthcare case is really an effort to neutralize Republican pressure to sideline liberal Justice Elena Kagan from the case on account of her work as Obama’s solicitor general before joining the court.

    “The purpose of this isn’t really to pressure Thomas into a recusal, at which Thomas is almost certain to issue his trademark booming laugh, but to pre-empt the recusal argument for Elena Kagan,” the conservative pundit Ed Morrissey asserted recently.

    And congressional Republicans last week went on offense against liberal court critics, alleging in a letter to the Justice Department that Common Cause’s efforts had “incite(d) violence and encourage(d) racial slurs against several Justices of the Supreme Court and their families” – and also asking for an investigation of whether the advocacy group’s Supreme Court campaign violated its tax-exempt status.

    Common Cause and the other liberal groups that have played a role in pressuring the conservative justices – the Alliance for Justice, Center for American Progress and People for the American Way – had combined budgets of $65.4 million in 2009, the most recent year for which their tax filings were readily available.

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), a former state judge whose office drafted the Justice Department letter, called Common Cause’s campaign “a fundraising effort” and suggested the goal is to intimidate the conservative justices away from controversial decisions.

    “Judges are human and when there are threats made on you or your family, as has been done to Justice Thomas, it affects you,” he told POLITICO after a Thursday press conference unveiling the letter.

    In fact, the threats referenced in the letter were provoked by a conservative videographer at a protest in which Common Cause participated outside January’s Koch donor conference in California.

    “After we impeach Clarence Thomas, what should we do with him?” the videographer asks a handful of protestors featured in his video. Among the responses offered – in at least one case after encouragement from the videographer, who tells the reluctant interviewee “you can say anything, we’re all friends” – were “Hang him” and “string him up.”

    Common Cause issued a statement condemning the “hateful, narrow-minded sentiments.” Spokeswoman Mary Boyle asserted the video used misleading techniques including “selective editing (and) baiting people,” and she called the call for a Justice Department investigation of her group’s tax status “laughable.”

    But Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who joined Gohmert at the Thursday press conference, called the campaign by Common Cause and other liberal groups “the beginning of an intimidation tactic that picks up and plays off of what was referred to during the confirmation of Justice Thomas as a ‘high-tech lynching.’”

    Simmi Aujla contributed to this report.

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    On the basis of the first amendment and enlightened self interest,
    I favor the allowance of people using
    Stars n Bars
    Swastica
    any banner or flag.

    One man’s terrorist, is another man’s patriot.

    Let the debates about merits and the truths BEHIND cover stories
    begin, so that people have to openly defend their beliefs.

    I do not believe there is a single group of religions, philosophies, countries,
    or beliefs who have not committed crimes and worse in their names.
    And they all have done some good things for some people, or else they
    could not attract and keep some people.

    I hate seeing protesters at military funerals.
    However, what if the WAR is WRONG or WARS are WRONG?
    I feel for and support the families of American service people.
    Yet, these protest raise important issues, while making the protesters
    look monsterously insensitive.

    The people who control the means of production from MARX’s day are
    some of the SAME FAMILIES and many different people.
    Technology and specifics have changed.
    The mentality and indoctrination has remained.
    For humanity to improve, underlying belief have to be questioned and
    a better set of belief structures have to be developed acceptably…

    Rogers and Hammerstein: “You have to be carefully taught”

  108. 108 1george1

    FBI visiting Town Hall this afternoon, after lunch?

    Late model Jeep Liberty 4 x 4 silver 4 door and square back.
    Driver was former Marine who left his manila folder on front seat.

    Very interesting short hand in multiple connected rectangles,
    in multiple columns along one edge.

    Couple of different shrthand notes in larger rectangles along the
    border where the fold exist.

    Interesting Black and Orange NY license plate #
    It had crypto references to Marines and Education…… 8)

  109. 109 portia1776

    Chris,

    “This statement makes your position extremely clear:” – This is clearly a case of constitutional confusion. I am referring to the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States of America, i.e., the organic laws of this country that embody the self-evident and inalienable civil and economic liberties of all individuals.

    You, to the contrary, have a different constitution in mind, one which places the collective, “equality,” government command-and-control, centralized planning, and “social justice” as its supreme values and has the unlimited State guarantee “rights” to food, health care, education, housing, employment, and just about everything else.

    There aren’t too many countries like that left (thankfully), but here are some excerpts from a constitution of one country that has implemented your definition of “rights” to the letter:

    “Article 56

    The State shall consolidate and develop the system of universal free medical service, and consolidates the section doctor system and the system of preventive medicine to protect people’s life and improve working people’s health.

    Article 57

    The State shall adopt measures to protect the environment in preference to production, preserve and promote the natural environment and prevent environmental pollution so as to provide the people with a hygienic environment and working conditions.

    ….

    Article 21

    The property of the State belongs to the entire people.

    There is no limit to the property which the State can own.

    Only the State possesses all the natural resources, railways, airports, transportation, communication organs and major factories, enterprises, ports and banks.

    The State shall guarantee giving priority to the growth of its property which plays a leading role in the development of the national economy.

    Article 22

    The property of social cooperative organizations belongs to the collective property of working people within the organizations concerned….

    Article 26

    The independent national economy… is a solid foundation for the people ‘s happy socialist life and for the prosperity of the fatherland….

    Article 29

    Socialism and Communism are built by the creative labor of the working masses.

    …labor is an independent and creative work of the working masses, who have been freed from exploitation and suppression.

    The State renders the labor of our working people, who do not worry about unemployment, more joyful and worthwhile, so that they willingly work with enthusiasm and creativeness for society, organizations and for themselves.

    ….

    Article 3

    The daily working hours of the working masses are eight hours.

    The State will decide to shorten the daily working hours depending on the hardness and special conditions of labor.

    The State shall organize labor effectively, strengthen labor rules and take fully utilize labor ‘s working hours.

    Article 31

    …the minimum working age is 16 years old.

    The State shall prohibit child labor under the stipulated working age.

    Article 32

    The State shall firmly adhere to the principle of properly combining political guidance with economic and technical guidance, the unified guidance of the State with the creativity of each unit, monolithic leadership with democracy, political and moral incentives with material incentives in the guidance and management of the socialist economy.

    ….

    Article 38

    The State shall pursue a tariff policy with the aim of protecting the independent national economy.
    ….

    Article 43

    The State shall put the principles of socialist education into practice and raise the new generation to be steadfast revolutionaries who will fight for society and the people, to be people of a new communist type who are knowledgeable, morally sound and physically healthy.

    Article 44

    The State shall give precedence to public education and the training of cadres for the nation and combine general education with technological education, and education with productive labor.

    Article 45

    The State shall develop universal compulsory 11-year education which includes a compulsory one-year preschool education at a high level in accordance with the trend of modern science and technology and the practical requirements of socialist construction.

    Article 46

    The State shall train competent technicians and experts by enhancing the regular educational system as well as different forms of study while working, and by improving the scientific and theoretical levels of technical education and education on social science and basic science.

    Article 47

    The State shall provide education to all pupils and students free of charge and grant allowances to students of universities and colleges.

    Article 48

    The State shall strengthen social education and provide the working people with all available conditions for study.

    Article 49

    The State shall maintain all children of preschool age in creches and kindergartens at State and public expense.

    Article 51

    The State shall draw up a proper plan for scientific research work, consolidate creative cooperation between scientists, specialists and producer masses.”

    Sounds wonderful doesn’t it? If “good” intentions = reality, as you continually want us to believe, the country that is governed by this “social justice” constitution must have a clean environment, smart children (universal, compulsory pre-K!!!), zero unemployment, a healthy and highly educated populace, lead the world in innovative technology and medical breakthroughs, and have an enviable standard of living.

    Unfortunately, for its inhabitants and neighbors, this utopia, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, is a wretched, polluted, xenophobic, racist, war-mongering, famine-ridden socialist slave state.

    Christopher Hitchens, one of the few journalists to have visited in recent years and himself a recovering Marxist, describes what North Korea’s constitution means in practice: “every person is property and is owned by a small and mad family with hereditary power. Every minute of every day, as far as regimentation can assure the fact, is spent in absolute subjection and serfdom. The private life has been entirely abolished. One tries to avoid cliché, and I did my best on a visit to this terrifying country in the year 2000, but George Orwell’s 1984 was published at about the time that Kim Il Sung set up his system, and it really is as if he got hold of an early copy of the novel and used it as a blueprint. (‘Hmmm … good book. Let’s see if we can make it work.’).”

    But what of the “rights” to food and employment and education and housing and medical provided by the Big Brother State, you say? Well, what of them, in reality? Hitchens continues: “Partly because of the end of favorable trade relations with, and subsidies from, the former USSR, but mainly because of the lunacy of its command economy, North Korea broke down in the 1990s and lost an unguessable number of people to sheer starvation. The survivors, especially the children, have been stunted and malformed. Even on a tightly controlled tour of the place—North Korea is almost as hard to visit as it is to leave—my robotic guides couldn’t prevent me from seeing people drinking from sewers and picking up individual grains of food from barren fields. (I was reduced to eating a dog, and I was a privileged “guest.”) Film shot from over the Chinese border shows whole towns ruined and abandoned, with their few factories idle and cannibalized (http://www.slate.com/id/2117846/ ).”

    In a follow-up article, Hitchens further explodes the sinister cruelty of “Progressive” economic planning: “Here are the two most shattering facts about North Korea. First, when viewed by satellite photography at night, it is an area of unrelieved darkness. Barely a scintilla of light is visible even in the capital city. (See this famous photograph http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8351/1207koreaelectricitygrikf0.jpg ) Second, a North Korean is on average six inches shorter than a South Korean. You may care to imagine how much surplus value has been wrung out of such a slave, and for how long, in order to feed and sustain the militarized crime family that completely owns both the country and its people.”

    Now, you will protest that this is an unfair reference. It is, in fact, nothing of the kind. North Korea is but the apotheosis of the “Progressive” polices you believe in; its all–powerful, unlimited State only a matter of steps further along the same road to serfdom on which you, fellow useful idiots, and President Obama are coercing us to walk.

    What is actually unfair is that those useful idiots who wish to live in a “social justice,” as opposed to liberal, society do not do so somewhere else, preferably a country that is already afflicted with the leadership of likeminded mediocrities and “Progressive” control freaks. Instead, we all must suffer and pay for the consequences of your “good” intentions: wars, illegality, poverty, tyranny, dictatorship, lost opportunity, and misery. The ravaged and ruined city of Detroit, with its decades of rule by a corrupt nexus of “Progressive” politicians, corporate socialist car companies, and monopolistic unions is a case in point (see photographs of “Detroit in Ruins” http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2011/jan/02/photography-detroit )

    The shockingly similar language of North Korea’s constitution to President Obama’s policy agenda, as well as your own “pragmatic” positions, should give you pause and cause you to reevaluate your positions. Instead, I’m sure, you will continue to be so blithe and willfully ignorant as to deny there is any similarity whatsoever.

  110. 110 1george1

    PORTIA: I will leave it to CHRIS to REBUT your typing words as his
    views, which I am sure would outrage you, if rolls were reversed.

    I will note these Lincoln quotes:

    Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
    Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if
    labor had not first existed.
    Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher
    consideration. – Abraham Lincoln

    Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren’t
    very new at all. – Abraham Lincoln

    Character is like a tree and reputation like a shadow.
    The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
    Abraham Lincoln

    The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s for which the sheep
    thanks the shepherd as his liberator,
    while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer
    of liberty.
    Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
    Abraham Lincoln

    These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert,
    to fleece the people. – Abraham Lincoln

    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the
    courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the
    men who pervert the Constitution. – Abraham Lincoln

    This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.
    Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,
    they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it,
    or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. – Abraham Lincoln

    To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Towering genius disdains a beaten path.
    It seeks regions hitherto unexplored. – Abraham Lincoln

    Allow the president to invade a (neighboring) nation, whenever he
    shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do
    so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a
    purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure.
    Abraham Lincoln

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and
    lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another,
    but let him work diligently and build one for himself,
    thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence
    when built. – Abraham Lincoln

    No man is good enough to govern another man without that
    other’s consent. – Abraham Lincoln

    I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives.
    I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
    Abraham Lincoln

    My dream is of a place and a time where America will once again
    be seen as the last best hope of earth. – Abraham Lincoln

    You cannot build character and courage by
    taking away a man’s initiative and independence.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery,
    I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. – Abraham Lincoln

    I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be
    depended upon to meet any national crisis.
    The great point is to bring them the real facts.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Don’t interfere with anything in the Constitution.
    That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
    Abraham Lincoln

    When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad.
    That’s my religion.
    Abraham Lincoln

    You can fool all the people some of the time,
    and some of the people all the time,
    but you cannot fool all the people all the time. – Abraham Lincoln

    – For chris + portia

    The assertion that “all men are created equal” was of no practical
    use in effecting our separation from Great Britain
    and it was placed in the Declaration not for that, but for future use.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people,
    shall not perish from the Earth.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this
    continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty,
    and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
    Abraham Lincoln

    With Malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the
    right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
    work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds. – Abraham Lincoln

    —– Regretably > How things have changed!

    Republicans are for both the man and the dollar,
    but in case of conflict the man before the dollar.
    Abraham Lincoln

  111. 111 portia1776

    Chris,

    Turning my attention to your pathetic “response,” in which you show yourself incapable of responding to any of my points, I am reminded of what H.L. Mencken wrote of Dr. Thorstein Veblen’s oeuvre:

    “It was, and is, impossible to imagine worse English, within the limits of intelligible grammar. It was clumsy, affected, opaque, bombastic, windy, empty. It was without grace or distinction and it was often without the most elementary order…. Worse, there was nothing at the bottom of all this strident wind-music – the ideas it was designed to set forth were, in the overwhelming main, poor ideas, and often they were ideas that were almost idiotic. The concepts underlying, say, ‘The Theory of the Leisure Class’ were simply Socialism and well water.”

    “So people who are out of work not because of anything they’ve done or didn’t do, who have no income because their former employer decided they were expendable (or were unable to survive in this economy), are on their own. If you can’t afford food, tough. If you can’t afford medical care, not our problem. You can’t afford a place to live, sucks to be you.” – Yes, Chris, those who can’t afford a BMW don’t generally own a BMW. Those who can’t afford a house, food, health care, and any other product or service, don’t receive those products or services unless someone else helps pay for or donates them. When someone, of their own free will and accord, helps pay for or donates them, that action is called philanthropy (or private eleemosynary activity). Americans are the most generous people in the history of the world giving hundreds of billions of dollars each year to voluntary associations. 60 Minutes had a tough segment on foreclosures this past Sunday showcasing how even in the worst of times neighbors are taking in homeless neighbors, motels are offering low rates that allow families to avoid shelters and stay together, and fathers and mothers are taking any job (and sometimes several jobs) just to get by. Private eleemosynary organizations are also doing their part. Many families, you will be surprised enough to ignore, are shunning state assistance out of the desire to avoid the government controls that come with it.

    For comparison, it is rightly called theft when government “helps” someone with someone else’s private property. And for government to entitle someone to the genius, labor, and property of another, whether the purpose is to provide medical care or housing or food or computers, is called slavery. None of this should be news. Adam Smith wrote in 1776, 235 years ago and in the same year as the the US Declaration of Independence, that “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest” This is how the world has and always will work. What is curious is how you are rebelling against an accurate description of reality. What world do you live in?

    It is no shame to not know. Indeed, Socrates was one of the wisest of men because he readily admitted that he did not know. It is quite another thing to claim to know when you do not; to stick to the illebral, anti-free market and anti-free trade fallacies of bygone eras regardless of reason and all evidence to the contrary. Why do you believe in an illusory “climate change” consensus while ignoring the real economic consensus in favor of free enterprise and trade?

    That said, I understand the primitive place from which you are coming (as Milton Friedman said): “The argument for collectivism for government doing something is simple. Anybody can understand it. If there’s something wrong, pass a law. If somebody is in trouble, get Mr. X to help him out. The argument for a free — for voluntary cooperation for a free market is not nearly so simple. It says, you know, if you allow people to cooperate voluntarily and don’t interfere with them, indirectly through the operation of the market, they will improve matters more than you can improve it directly by appointing somebody. That’s a subtle argument, and it’s hard for people to understand.” The difficulty of understanding the truth of reality does not make reality any less real or true.

    “Free-market capitalism doesn’t provide anything.” – Correct, individuals within a free market provide everything.

    “Products are available within that market,” – Who makes products and services available? Why? How do they (business owners) know what to make or offer, in what style or to what design specifications, in how great a quantity, at what cost? The knowledge necessary to answer those questions, and much more, is embedded within the price at which a good or service is offered for sale. This is how individuals within a free-market economy allocate resources many magnitudes more efficiently (and morally) than central planners.

    “but according to your position, they are only abundant if you have the cash to afford them. Supply and demand is it not? We can have an overabundance of supply, but if there’s no demand, those supplies don’t do much good, do they?” – This is patent nonsense. No further comment is necessary.

    “Perhaps the Declaration of Independence should have a disclaimer:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.*”

    *Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness available only for those able to afford it.” –

    The charade of your feigned “pragmatism” is finally at an end. The sheep’s clothing has at last been shed. No longer can you deny the leftish origins and real-world failures of those wondrous plans of yours. As it reads in the Gospel of Matthew, “by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” And your negation of every individual’s inalienable rights on account of class distinctions in our still somewhat free society is contemptible. Henceforth, you will no longer receive the benefit of the doubt as to intentionally. No, we know quite well what your motivations and wished-for endpoint are: the Big Brother State. This is the reason your past guises, whether of a bleeding heart or curious seeker or Hamiltonian corporatist, were ill-fitting. Why ask questions if you, Chris, already know The Answer? Even your lame apologetics for Jimmy Miron make more sense in light of this admission. Of course you could never admit to the Dear Leader Miron having any faults, no matter how devastatingly obvious and numerous, because that would call into question your fealty to unlimited power and the authoritarians who corrosively wield that power.

    For George’s sake: Darth Chris, your Dark Side sith “social justice” powers (fear, anger, manipulation, and envy) will always be inferior to Yoda (Friedman) and the Jedi, who are with the Force (free market) and are the defenders of our Republic and Liberty. Apropos your outing as a sith, the Jedi Code reads: “There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.”

    Ben Franklin is once said to have said “…the Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself!” The reason is that each individual defines their own Happiness, but one cannot consider the question apart from their Life and Liberty. A poor person in America, by virtue of their misfortune, is no less free than a billionaire because individual liberty is one and the same for all. Our Constitutional Republic is one in which everyone has equal rights and the opportunity to the unequal rewards derived from their unequal faculties and just labor.

    As President Abraham Lincoln, the tireless Republican foe against your Southern agrarian collectivist ideological ancestors, said, in New Haven on Mar. 6, 1860, (transcript with audience responses in brackets):

    “…I am glad to see that a system of labor prevails in New England under which laborers can strike when they want to [Cheers,] where they are not obliged to work under all circumstances, and are not tied down and obliged to labor whether you pay them or not! [Cheers.] I like the system which lets a man quit when he wants to, and wish it might prevail everywhere. [Tremendous applause.] One of the reasons why I am opposed to Slavery is just here. What is the true condition of the laborer? I take it that it is best for all to leave each man free to acquire property as fast as he can. Some will get wealthy. I don’t believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else. [Applause.] When one starts poor, as most do in the race of life, free society is such that he knows he can better his condition; he knows that there is no fixed condition of labor, for his whole life. I am not ashamed to confess that twenty five years ago I was a hired laborer, mauling rails, at work on a flat-boat — just what might happen to any poor man’s son! [Applause.] I want every man to have the chance — and I believe a black man is entitled to it — in which he can better his condition — when he may look forward and hope to be a hired laborer this year and the next, work for himself afterward, and finally to hire men to work for him! That is the true system..”

    On other occasions, President Abraham Lincoln spoke of why it is important to “Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by examples assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built” and lauded the vibrant free-market capitalist North where “There is no permanent class of hired laborers among us” as opposed to the stagnating socialist slavery-dependent South.

    President Abraham Lincoln was eloquent and forceful but only original insofar as he was reasserting the liberal principles of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. Or, for that matter, Jefferson’s First Inaugural:

    “Let us then, with courage and confidence, pursue our own federal and republican principles; our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high minded to endure the degradations of the others, possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation, entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them, enlightened by a benign religion, professed indeed and practised in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude and the love of man, acknowledging and adoring an overruling providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here, and his greater happiness hereafter; with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens, a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government….”

    “Access to a car or internet service is completely different than access to live-saving [sic] medical care or food that keeps a person alive.” – Point to the article in the Constitution in which such a distinction exists? Since a “right” to food or medical care has never been guaranteed, how do you explain away America’s clean environment, healthy and highly educated populace, the millions of immigrants who have and continue to clamor to come to this land of liberty and opportunity, our world leading innovative technology and medical breakthroughs, and our enviable standard of living, such that the average poor America is wealthier than the elite of many other countries?

    Once again you have failed to refute my contention that a problem does not necessitate a solution, a solution does not necessitate government action, government action to supposedly help the few does not necessitate shredding the Constitution and thus individual liberty for all.

    “I have no problem expecting people to pay their fair share for any product or service. But we also have a society in which there are people who, by no fault of their own, are in dire circumstances and unable to provide even the basics because the market doesn’t provide the opportunities necessary for those people to raise themselves up.” – Just to be clear, Chris, while you’re petulant pink is fundamentally transforming into a rapacious red, you will never be my comrade.

    And your fraudulent concern for the poor is no less repulsive than your fraudulent concern for the environment or individual civil liberties. Poor people are your convenient victims, mere emotional fodder with which you hope to overcome the illogic of your Big Brother “solutions” that objectively hurt the poor and everyone else.

    If you were serious about helping poor people, you would support Prof. Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda, which I posted above. If you were serious about helping the environment, you would not be pushing nebulous “reasonable regulations” i.e., government command-and-control of the economy, which has produced the most polluted countries in world history. The USSR and Eastern Block were government-created ecological disasters despite the socialist’s flowery language mandating tough bureaucratic controls. Profit-minded individuals in a free society have an unrivaled record on the environment and everything else. Take for example, John D. Rockfeller, who made oil dramatically cheaper for everyone but benefited the poor most, and, in the process, made himself exceptionally wealthy and saved the whales.

    “that is when this country would enter your utopian capitalist system.” – I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “Utopian” and then re-read your postings, starting with this last one.

    “Were those things to happen (full employment, living wages for people to support themselves and their families), and those outcomes can be sustained through society you describe, I’ll gladly support your prescriptions.” – As a wannabe apparatchik, you are demanding the free market be held to a standard of perfection that no society in the history of the world has ever achieved. You do this as a way to obscure the reality that the free market has enabled free societies to come closer to perfection than any of the controlled, collectivist societies that have implemented your Utopian wishes, making the 20th Century one of history’s bloodiest. The evidence that Utopian societies are livings hells is irrefutable, and yet you cling to this reactionary and servile wish to run the experiment again. Such intellectual dishonesty is par for the course.

    Moreover, as is your deliberate tactic, you only respond to what I write, revealing your own positions only by implication. My policy proposals are derived from the principles of individual civil and economic liberty. While honest disagreement between policy proposals is to be expected and encouraged (we learn through debate and criticism and error), your critiques are of a different sort. You disdain the very principles of individual liberty as practiced in a free society, free market, and with free trade. While too cowardly to say so, your attacks, always coming from the left and with the verbatim language of collectivists (including those in North Korea), has rendered meaningless your protestations of being “pragmatic.”

    No, Chris, “pragmatism” does not mean always doing that which is unprincipled and ineffective and socialistic. Pragmatism, rightly understood, would mean doing that which is pragmatic, i.e., that which is proven in practice. And what works in practice is individualism not collectivism, equal justice not “social justice,” lassiez-faire capitalism not “Progressivism.”

    Milton Friedman put the issue candidly when confronted by a collectivist questioner who wanted to know what government’s responsibility was to the poor: “First of all, the government doesn’t have any responsibility. People have responsibility. This building doesn’t have responsibility. You and I have responsibility. People have responsibility. Second. The question is how can we as people exercise our responsibility toward our fellow man most effectively. That’s the problem.

    So far as poverty is concerned, there is never in history been a more effective machine for eliminating poverty than the free enterprise system and the free market. The period in which you had the greatest improvement in the lot of the ordinary man was the period of the 19th and early 20th century. Those of us throughout this room are the heirs of that, we benefited from the way our parents and grandparents were able to come here. And, by virtue of the freedom that was offered to [them, they] were able to make a better life for themselves, them and us.

    But next, if you look at the real problems of poverty and the denial of freedom to people in this country, almost every single one of them is the result of government action–and would be eliminated if you eliminated the bad government failures.

    Let me be precise and specific. We have constructed a governmental welfare scheme which has been a machine for producing poor people. We have induced people to come under control of welfare. I’m not blaming the people, don’t misunderstand me, it’s our fault for constructing so perverse and so ill-shaped a monster as the whole set of welfare programs we have under which we encourage families to break-up, we encourage people to come from one part of the country and come to another, under which we have in effect made people poor…. (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKc6esIi0_U )

    “You keep attacking my belief that there is a need for responsible regulation, erroneously suggesting that I support unfettered government control, a position which I have consistently rejected.” – If the collectivist shoe fits, and you’re already wearing it, why obstinately deny the obvious?

    “But I do believe the government has the right to say certain things shouldn’t be dumped into the water, or buried underground, and that you can’t have a toxic landfill next to (or under) a school.” – State government? Local government? Certainly. National government? Absolutely not. You don’t know what you’re talking about in the allusion to Love Channel; the entire fiasco was a government failure, including the bureaucrats’ plan to build the school atop toxic waste. The private business that had managed the dump prior to its government takeover had an impeccable environmental record and was meeting environmental safety standards decades ahead of government regulators. It is not my problem that you neither want to know the truth nor can handle its implications.

    “Some polluters pay to clean up their messes,” – By “some” do you mean the “majority”? Because a majority of polluters pay for clean-up costs. How does this qualify as a response to any of my contentions: why the EPA should exist, on what legal basis it operates, and what is its track record? Stop using the excuse of caring about the environment to advance your toxic (“Progressive”) agenda.

    “…others fight in court for years claiming their toxic chemicals had nothing to do with contamination or the resulting health issues for those living near the site.” – As is their right. That pesky Constitution affords civil and criminal plaintiffs the right to a defense in an impartial court of law.

    As for “health issues,” I suggest you look at the government’s own studies. Take the high profile case of Erin Brockovich. Her claims about chromium-6 made her and her firm rich and famous, but they are nevertheless quackery. The California Cancer Registry shows no increased rate of cancer, no less the cluster of the certain kinds of cancer that she alleged. Moreover, the process by which the verdict was arrived at was irredeemably corrupt. The judges, soon after rendering the decision, departed with Brockovich associates for a “decadent” (their word, not mine) yacht cruise in the Mediterranean while Hinkley residents complain to this day of nor receiving their fair (or any share at all) of PG&E’s $333 settlement. Brockovich’s firm kept $143 million or 42.94%.

    “If it is less costly to fight in court then pay the cleanup costs, which course do you expect them to take? After all, as you have consistently argued, the bottom line for a business is profitability.” – The only moral purpose for business is to make a profit. Your economic illogic and illiteracy prevents you from understanding this basic reality. How does a company know what court or cleanup costs will be decades in the future? They don’t. The costs of civil lawsuits by workers and area residents (whether true or not, the attorney fees and settlement costs cut into the bottom line), customer boycotts (if you make it and no one buys, there are no revenues, to say nothing of profits), criminal prosecutions (if warranted), and bad publicity (the fourth estate is still pretty good about “if it bleeds, it leads”) are real but unknowable. They are also often mutually inclusive. In any case, you reflexively assume an outcome that is on its face unreasonable and thus very rare. No company has ever made the kind of rational economic calculation you allege and come to the conclusion that polluting is justified for the sake of polluting. Companies that, as a result of their natural manufacturing processes, create pollution then have to decide on various ways to deal with their waste product — and some methods are more effective than others. In a free society, the court system (civil and criminal) provides a mechanism for punishing as well as deterring bad actors.As a result of human nature, bad actors will always exist. In a free society, however, profit-motive drives companies to reduce their pollution as much as possible in order to increase efficiency as well as to avoid costs. History shows that lassiez-faire capitalism is the anti-pollutant.

    For instance, Yokohama Tire Corporation, without any government coercion, is replacing petroleum used in the manufacture of its tires with oil extracted from ordinary orange peels. “According to Yokohama, nearly 20 gallons of petroleum go into a set of tires, meaning that about 5 million barrels of oil annually are consumed by a 10 million-vehicle market. By infusing oil extracted from orange peels into natural rubber, Yokohama has cut the amount of petroleum in its dB Super E-spec tires by 80 percent (http://www.theautoindustrieblog.com/2009/12/tire-made-of-orange-peel.html ).” Unlike government-subsidized “green” garbage (what you euphemize as “sustainable clean-tech”), Yokohama’s tires are competitively priced in the free market and actually benefit consumers who decide to buy dB Super E-spec’s.

    “And you’re going to dismiss 1,700 superfund sites as insignificant? On average 34 per state. How many acres of land does that equate to? What is the environmental impact of those 1,700 sites? And where do you go with the pollutants that are in those sites?” – Did you come up with these questions all by yourself? First, as I noted, there aren’t 1,700 sites. That number includes all the sites remediated, all the sites currently on the list, and all those that have been suggested for the list. Second, even if there were 1,700 sites, what does that have to do with how they should be remediated (if remediated at all) and who should administer the remediations? Third, who created these sites? You assume that only private companies are responsible for pollution. If you knew the slightest about what you were writing, you would know that there is no bigger polluter than government contractors and the government itself (e.g., Hanford Site).

    “Nobody wants contaminated soil near them, which is why Stratford continues to struggle with the issue.” – Save Stratford fought vigorously against the mad plans of the EPA to endanger our health by exposing Stratford resident to known airborne carcinogens, to subject us to the dangers of thousands of toxic dump trucks traveling about town, and the centralizing of contaminated soil in Southend residential neighborhoods.

    Who stood with Save Stratford against the EPA when that national government bureaucracy was threatening the future of our town? Curiously, your name is not on the Save Stratford petition (at least the online version). And I remember quite well how your pal, Jimmy Miron, was determined to undermine Save Stratford’s efforts to save the town from the talons of the EPA’s planners. Since you were on the wrong side of the most important environmental issue facing Stratford when it happened, why should your “concern” for the environment be taken seriously by anyone now? Where you wrong then or are you wrong now? I supported Save Stratford and candidate Harkins in their successful effort to stop the EPA’s and Mayor Moron’s attempts to destroy Stratford. Why do you assume no one else remembers this recent history and your role in it?

    “Your feeble attempt to make the problem seem insignificant hardly negates the serious damage these sites cause in a community.” – I did no such thing. I take this problem and poverty seriously and support lawful and effective means of addressing them. What is your position on the anti-poverty program outlined above? Right, you are for Big Brother social control and generational dependency. Or, in other words, you support polices that are objectively against the interests of low income Americans. What is your position on President Obama’s unprecedented assertion of regulatory power over the lassiez-faire Internet? Right, you support government controls (“net neutrality”) because the problem with the Internet is that its too free. What is your position on civil liberties? Right, that’s only a problem if there is an “R” denoting the president’s partisan affiliation. “D” for dictator? No problem for you, Chris. Well, just today, according to the Koch-funded ACLU, “President Obama Issue[d an] Executive Order Institutionalizing Indefinite Detention.” In other words, President Obama intends to keep Gitmo detainees found non-guilty by military tribunals in jail forever. Think about that for a moment. Even if you are proven innocent according to the strictest standards of military justice, which is a tougher standard than US criminal courts, President Obama is unilaterally claiming to have the arbitrary power to disregard the tribunal’s verdict in advance. Why have a trial if the verdict is rendered meaningless by President Obama’s fiat? How soon until President Obama asserts a similar power to mock justice and create show trials for American citizens?

    “Finally, holding companies accountable after the fact is too little, too late for those suffering from life-threatening illnesses causes by the toxic chemicals those companies unleashed on unknowing residents.” – If you speak at all of reality, it is always the rare exception and not the rule. Your arguments are dependent upon the hope that sentiment and illusion and abstraction can overcome reason and fact and the specific. Needless to say, this jury of one cannot be nullified.

    “Who should have more rights in this case, the individual who had a right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” or the company that created the circumstances that infringed upon those rights?” – You are lucky I believe that there is no such thing as a dumb question.

    First, it is strange that you invoke the Declaration of Independence after you repudiated it above.

    Second, companies don’t have “rights.” Individuals have rights. One or more individuals who incorporate, as was reaffirmed in Citizens United v. FCC which ended bipartisan “Progressive” government controls of free speech, no longer lose rights when they do so.

    Third, (according to Milton Friedman) “A market system rests fundamentally on such an arrangement. If you hit me with your car and you damage me, you are obligated to pay me… The problem of pollution is that if you emit noxious smoke that damages me, it’s difficult for me to know who’s done the damage and to require you to be responsible for it.”

    In cases where the responsible party is known, they should be required to pay. Where that is not possible, there is a legitimate role for local and state government involvement to ameliorate the common danger potentially presented by toxic waste. The farther away the decision-making process is from we, the people, the less accountable and the worse the results, as exemplified by the abysmal record of the EPA’s Superfund program.

  112. 112 portia1776

    George,

    “I will leave it to CHRIS to REBUT your typing words as his views, which I am sure would outrage you, if rolls were reversed.” – I have no problem with constructive criticism. I welcome intelligent debate. Chris, by his own words, has shown himself unable to provide either.

    The quotes I included are representative of Lincoln’s views. Some of the ones you just now posted are deceptive because they are too short. Lincoln was a master of rhetoric and would often espouse a popular position, particularly in debate, only to then refute it a few sentences later. I do not have time to source all the Lincoln quotes, but I do recognize the first one to be false.

    You have Lincoln saying:

    “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
    Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if
    labor had not first existed.
    Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher
    consideration.”

    If you put the quote in context, you will release Lincoln was summarizing the erroneous views of others:

    “But another class of reasoners hold the opinion that there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed; that there is no such thing as a free man being fatally fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer; that both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them groundless. They hold that labor is prior to, and independent of, capital; that, in fact, capital is the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed; that labor can exist without capital, but that capital could never have existed without labor. Hence they hold that labor is the superior – greatly the superior – of capital. They do not deny that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital. The error, as they hold, is in assuming that the whole labor of the world exists within that relation. A few men own capital; and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them.”

    His own position is given later in the speech where he summarizes the reality and then powerfully identifies with the advocates of free labor (what Chris and his collectivist Confederate ideological ancestors called “wage slavery”):

    “Many independent men in this assembly doubtless a few years ago were hired laborers. And their case is almost, if not quite, the general rule. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This, say its advocates, is free labor – the just, and generous, and prosperous system, which opens the way for all, gives hope to all, and energy, and progress, and improvement of condition to all. If any continue through life in the condition of the hired laborer, it is not the fault of the system, but because of either a dependent nature which prefers it, or improvidence, folly, or singular misfortune.”

    Thank you for the excuse to publish more of President Abraham Lincoln’s wisdom.

  113. 113 1george1

    Portia, from my recollection the only thing Chris and Jim Miron had
    in common was
    1) they were/are both Democrats.
    Jim in name
    Chris in beliefs
    2) vehemence against Hanney proposal

    Portia, there are many things in Lincoln’s words and deeds which
    are compatable (even transcendant) to intrinsic and extrinsic beliefs of:
    1) Democrats, Republicans, Independents
    2) Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Collectivists, etc
    3) Populist governments, states rights, individual rights, Federal Rights.

    Portia, you may hate this or disagree, yet there are many things in
    Milton Friedman’s words and deeds which are compatable (even
    transcendant) to intrinsic and extrinsic beliefs of:
    1) Democrats, Republicans, Independents
    2) Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, Collectivists, etc
    3) Populist governments, states rights, individual rights, Federal Rights.

    I agree with much of Friedman, yet hate the concept of completely
    decriminalizing prostitution and drug trafficking in no small part due
    to the Lincoln quote of the SHEEP and WOLF differing on definitions
    of LIBERTY.

    I ran HS Class Reunions, and know dozens of people who died due to
    drugs and have in several instances walked into Strip Joints to see
    girls (I knew growing up) on the stage, who had to earn cash to PAY
    for their MASTER / DEPENDENCY (vs. Declaration of Independence)

    I would not lie about vacations where I wound up in brothels, nor the
    company of a lady for hire. Nor would I claim I have never attend a
    massage parlor (where my back really appreciates a massage) nor a
    strip bar, which I compare to going to a museum to see great works
    of past artists, nor sculptors, and enjoying the type of models they
    might employ for their work.

    There are many places, where certain things are legal, and many times
    where typing something is not verifiable, nor within limits of statutes,
    without necessary specificity …. I have been known to …. kid .. tease?

    In any situation, I have tried to convey mutual respect and treatment,
    whereas satisfaction was not just achieved, yet enhanced. .. …
    > It is one thing to choose a profession.
    > it is another thing to become a slave to the profession.

    I note the GOLDIE HAWN line from the commercials for the DEAN MARTIN
    ROASTS …..

    GOLDIE …..Have you ever noticed …. he heh heh … ?

    That it seems … heh he he … ?

    That most of the world’s problems …uh ha he …?

    Seem to be caused …. by the SMART PEOPLE ????

    Outta da mouth of a babe …

  114. 114 jezebel282

    Portia,

    I actually have great difficulty reading your posts. Your positions seem to be becoming more extreme by the week. Despite the thousands of well written (and caustic) words, it seems to distill into “all government is bad no matter what”.

    While you tend to remain philosophically pure to this ideal, you neglect the actual suffering of those unable or incapable to provide for themselves.

    “Private eleemosynary organizations are also doing their part.”
    Perhaps they are doing their best. However, during the past three years, their best is not nearly sufficient.

    The causes of this recession have been and will continue to be documented. In the end (or at least my end) my instinct tells me that we were diverted by Weapons of Mass Distraction (a TRILLION and a half dollars shows up in budgets) and selective “deregulation” became a license to steal. I doubt this will change as long as politicians will literally do or say anything to generate campaigns funds for their re-election.

    Our two party system has broken down into irreconcilable factions. Mistakes made by both sides will never be acknowledged nor corrected. Absolutist positions are not productive.

  115. 115 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    Extreme is an understatement. Continued false accusations, blatant disregard of the actual positions people hold, and flat out intolerance and arrogance are but a few of the other traits exhibited by Portia.

    Now Portia,

    You can insult me all you want, manipulate and distort my beliefs and positions, but all you do is come across as more strident and sanctimonious. You continue to bring up Jim Miron, despite the fact that I have made clear my displeasure with certain issues and explained my position on others. I couldn’t care less whether you agree with my positions, or for that matter what you think of them or me. The fact that you continue your personal attacks says much more about you then it does me. I question the rigidity of your positions, I respond to what I believe are the more egregious among them, and when warranted, I describe your behavior and actions (strident and sanctimonious) in relation to your posts.

    It seems that I have gotten under your skin much more so then you have gotten under mine. I must say I find most of your rants amusing, if for no other reason then it appears you actually believe the sheer volume of your response invalidates other people’s positions. You make that clear with statements like this: “Unsurprisingly, what I have written stands uncontested, no less successfully refuted, by either you or Phineast.” Your delusions of grandeur notwithstanding, the only person you’ve convinced is yourself.

    Seeing as you have been a publicly-elected official, please enlighten us with regard to how your social, business and political agendas were advanced during your time in office. Were you (are you) as confrontational as you are on this blog? Why is it that anyone who disagrees with your opinions and beliefs is an enemy to be insulted or ridiculed?

  116. 116 1george1

    Jeze,
    During work hours, I too have trouble reading Portia’s posts.

    If I have trouble sleeping, I can break down the paragraphs
    in the first 1/2 of portia’s posts, which tend towards making
    a specific point.

    Subsequest paragraph scramble to support the positions or
    to add insult to blog points of portia or chris or others.

    Obviously I was or am the worst offender of the LONG POST,
    at least until portia came along.

    My long posts tend to start with point A and I will try to make
    it obvious when switching to other points within the same post.
    > NOT always successfully.

    At some point in my long posts, I will bring in tangencial or extrinsic
    supporting points of one or more of the points made along the
    middle of my posts.

    My mind will jump from point to point.
    It reflects in my writing.

    My mind will associate a series of points, often less obviously
    connected in the minds of others, because we do not share
    identical life experiences,
    It reflects in my writing.

    Portia and I share some beliefs, especially in financial areas, where
    I know certain things are connected and take them for granted and
    if portia is whom I suspect, Portia is very likely to incorporate varieties
    of factors into perspectives, without breaking those down …. yet at
    the same time will break down arguments made by chris, you, or any
    of the others….

    I do not address some of Portia’s positions since they are not addressed
    to me – although I do take on a few of them.

    Other times Portia makes so many issues …. I do not bother to address
    that or those issues, as it did not strike my whim to address or not.
    > This is not to be taken as
    1 – an endorsement of position
    2 – a repudiation of position
    3 – a denigration of importantance of an issue.
    4 – it is what it is …. too many posts … not enough time

    Yet Portia has raised the level of the discussions to be less simple,
    more complex, more historic, more applied theory, more ideological,
    and with cascading insults and haughty writing style, would have been
    most welcomed by me, if portia had joined the fray 2 years ago, when
    I was the target of same …..

    Some of those who Portia supports, I would not, for the reason Mr.
    Lincoln notes in this quote:

    The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep’s for which the sheep
    thanks the shepherd as his liberator,
    while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer
    of liberty.
    Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Portia also corrected me on the Labor is superior to capital quote,
    but putting it into context, which was NOT within the list of quotes,
    from which I quoted …..
    That is good and fair …. to be placed in original context …

    I will also NOTE that the blue, white, and platinum collar workers are
    not the only ones who Labor.
    As much as I despise Bush, Cheney, Rockefeller and others for what
    they have done domestically, I credit them for improving quality of
    life world wide for some, while others are targets of weapons and
    worse ….
    They also work long and hard, yet in guilded cages with trappings of
    wealth. They too might be “victims” of circumstance?

  117. 117 jezebel282

    George (and Portia),

    Not that it will make the smallest bit of difference, but this is a blog. If you write so other people will read it, anything longer than two or three paragraphs (including every time you hit “enter” at the end of a line) will most certainly lose you readers rapidly.

    Just sayin’…..

  118. 118 1george1

    Noted.

    There are times I write for those who post.
    There are times I write for those locally who read.
    There are time I write for other people and/or other reasons.

    There have been people who created based on my life and their
    observations. I barely understand it, nor can I believe it based on
    logic, yet can believe it based on experience and History.
    I doubt anyone who has posted could/would comprehend/believe!!!

    Among other things, I have used this blog as my “monkey’s paw.”

    As far as when I hit “enter?”

    How an actor phrases a line ….

    can change the audience’s understanding or intent or meaning?

    Jus… writin ….

  119. 119 portia1776

    Jez,

    I see you’re deploying the discredited S.I.N. Tactics (“shift the subject, ignore the facts and name-call”) against me. Say it ain’t so?

    Extreme?! Are you oblivious to this administration’s extreme actions (extremism in the destruction of liberty), particularly in recent weeks? President Obama is the worst president for civil (and economic) liberties since Dick Nixon, a remarkable feat considering the low threshold set by President George W. Bush. Please go to the (Koch-funded) ACLU’s website and read for yourself. Did your membership lapse or do you just carry the card around for show-and-tell?

    “it seems to distill into ‘all government is bad no matter what’” – You really have to come up with some fresh material. This baseless accusation has no more justice than when you made it several months ago. Why do you obnoxiously insist on conflating my being in favor of Constitutional government with advocating no government? Why do you insist on seeing my criticism of government illegality, waste, fraud, and abuse as characterizing even the necessary and proper role of government as “bad”?

    Such behavior is beneath you.

    As I will never tire of saying, I am in favor of the Declaration and Constitution, and the Union (federal government) that those documents were designed to bring about and thereafter have protect our individual liberty. Whenever the government fails to live up to the fundamental obligations of our Founding documents, and when public servants fail to exercise the powers we grant to government correctly, it is our responsibility as citizens of this Republic to protest. Some have argued, and I agree with them, that it is patriotic to principally dissent against unprincipled government actions. But that is a far cry from the famous civil disobedient, Henry David Thoreau, who was an advocate of anarchy and believed that “”That government is best which governs not at all.”

    Of course, I disagree. And, therefore, It gives me no pleasure to read daily how this administration is contradicting the Constitution. I want my government, as Jefferson said, to be “wise and frugal government,” to be a government “which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.” Only under such a “good government” can individuals achieve their own Life, Liberty, and Happiness.

    Why, Jez, do you oppose good, wise, frugal, Constitutional government? Is it not a rather extreme political position to be so opposed, given the Constitution and Declaration are the organic laws of the United States of America?

    “you neglect the actual suffering of those unable or incapable to provide for themselves.” – Stop exploiting the poor for political advantage when the types of polices you and Chris support objectively hurt the poor and everyone else.

    I am in favor of greater opportunity and prosperity for all Americans as opposed to continued government social engineering and generational dependency. As a result, I have endorsed Professor Steven Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda. What is your position on that? Put up or stop making offensively false allegations. Will you join me in helping “restore the the sawed-off bottom rungs” of the socio-economic ladder or do you want to saw-off more rungs?

    “Perhaps they are doing their best. However, during the past three years, their best is not nearly sufficient.” – Jez, seriously, when are you going to acknowledge that the national government has never spent more on anti-poverty programs (3% of GDP) than in the last 10 years? Any misery and suffering Americans are now facing, then, is solely the responsibility of the types of failed bureaucratic schemes you, despite all evidence, continue to want to spend yet more of other people’s money on. You have shown no concern for how that money is coercively obtained.

    “In the end (or at least my end) my instinct tells me that we were diverted by Weapons of Mass Distraction (a TRILLION and a half dollars shows up in budgets)” – I’m not denying that. I would just point out the “smallness” of that expenditure in comparison to your believed national government entitlement (redistribution) programs, which represent a $53 trillion dollar unfunded liability (according to the GAO).

    “and selective ‘deregulation’ became a license to steal.” – “Selective”? Please. I suggest you temper your instincts with facts: President George W. hired 91,196 bureaucrats, increased regulatory spending by $8.3 billion in only his first four years, and increased finance and banking regulators’ budgets by 29 percent in eight years.

    “I doubt this will change as long as politicians will literally do or say anything to generate campaigns funds for their re-election.” – Agreed. So, do tell, why again do you want to give politicians more of our money and power? Why should we trust people who ran up $14 trillion on the country’s credit card, $3 trillion in the last two years alone, and now think the answer is to get a new credit card? (“Raising the Debt Ceiling: It Just Makes Sense. Not.” See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KoWRh1Y9IY ).

    “Our two party system has broken down into irreconcilable factions.” – Principled factions are good. Unprincipled partisanship and bipartisanship is the problem. Both parties are too often just different feathers of the same collectivist and statist bird.

    “Mistakes made by both sides will never be acknowledged nor corrected.” – By them? Assuredly not. By me? Did you miss my post on State Senator Kevin Kelly? Did I pull any punches because he and I are both Republicans? What about when I wrote about Speaker Boehner or President George W. Bush? I endeavor to uphold the Jefferson rhetorically set: “Equal rights for all, special privileges for none.”

    “Absolutist positions are not productive.” – What does 2+2= ? If someone tells you something other than 4, is it extreme to correct them? Is it absolutist to say no, sorry Chris, the only correct answer is “4” not “pink”?

  120. 120 portia1776

    Jez and George,

    “great difficulty reading your posts.” – I apologize for the, shall we say, lack of brevity. Unfortunately, as Harry Jaffa has noted, “although it takes few words to put such errors in circulation, it takes painstaking effort, and detailed analysis, effectively to contradict them.”

    Here is an abridged version of the above:

    A problem does not necessitate a solution, a solution does not necessitate government action, government action to supposedly help the few does not necessitate shredding the Constitution and thus individual liberty for all.

    The US Declaration of Independence and Constitution state that the proper role of government is to ensure the self-evident and inalienable civil and economic liberties of all individuals.

    Countries that put false notions of equality, “rights,” and “social justice” ahead of liberty end-up with neither equality nor liberty (e.g., North Korea).

    Collectivism and command-and-control are easy to understand while individualism and lassiez-faire are subtle and sophisticated.

    Ben Franklin: “…the Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself!”

    I agree with Lincoln that the free labor of the free-market capitalist North was superior constitutionally, morally, and economically to the slave labor of the socialist Confederacy.

    The Constitution admits of no “rights” to health insurance, food, housing, cars, Internet access, or any of the millions of products and services that the overwhelming majority of Americans take for granted. The North Korean constitution, on the other hand, guarantees everything, with devastating results (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8351/1207koreaelectricitygrikf0.jpg ).

    The difficulty of understanding the truth of reality does not make reality any less real or true.

    Individuals within a free-market economy allocate resources many magnitudes more efficiently (and morally) than central planners.

    “Pragmatism” does not mean always doing that which is unprincipled and ineffective and socialistic. Pragmatism, rightly understood, would mean doing that which is pragmatic, i.e., that which is proven in practice. And what works in practice is individualism not collectivism, equal justice not “social justice,” lassiez-faire capitalism not “Progressivism.”

    Erin Brockovich and “climate change” hysterics and eco-fascists are fear-mongering frauds.

    History shows that lassiez-faire capitalism is the anti-pollutant. Cf. The USSR, Eastern Block, Maoist China, all of which were socialist-created human and ecological wastelands.

    “Progressives” use poor people as convenient victims, mere emotional fodder with which to overcome the illogic of Big Brother “solutions” that objectively hurt the poor and everyone else.

    The evidence that collectivist, controlled, Utopian societies are livings hells is irrefutable, and yet too many “Progressives” cling to the reactionary and servile wish of running the experiment again.

    Jimmy Miron and Chris were worse than complicit when the EPA was planning to endanger the lives of everyone in Stratford. Why should anyone take their concern for the environment seriously now?

  121. 121 jezebel282

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    I put down my notebook. “Just that?”

    “That’s right,” he said, signaling to the waitress for the check. “Everything’s fucked up, and nobody goes to jail. You can end the piece right there.”

    Nobody goes to jail. This is the mantra of the financial-crisis era, one that saw virtually every major bank and financial company on Wall Street embroiled in obscene criminal scandals that impoverished millions and collectively destroyed hundreds of billions, in fact, trillions of dollars of the world’s wealth — and nobody went to jail. Nobody, that is, except Bernie Madoff, a flamboyant and pathological celebrity con artist, whose victims happened to be other rich and famous people.

    This article appears in the March 3, 2011 issue of Rolling Stone. The issue is available now on newsstands and will appear in the online archive February 18.

    The rest of them, all of them, got off. Not a single executive who ran the companies that cooked up and cashed in on the phony financial boom — an industrywide scam that involved the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities — has ever been convicted. Their names by now are familiar to even the most casual Middle American news consumer: companies like AIG, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Morgan Stanley. Most of these firms were directly involved in elaborate fraud and theft. Lehman Brothers hid billions in loans from its investors. Bank of America lied about billions in bonuses. Goldman Sachs failed to tell clients how it put together the born-to-lose toxic mortgage deals it was selling. What’s more, many of these companies had corporate chieftains whose actions cost investors billions — from AIG derivatives chief Joe Cassano, who assured investors they would not lose even “one dollar” just months before his unit imploded, to the $263 million in compensation that former Lehman chief Dick “The Gorilla” Fuld conveniently failed to disclose. Yet not one of them has faced time behind bars.

    Invasion of the Home Snatchers

    Instead, federal regulators and prosecutors have let the banks and finance companies that tried to burn the world economy to the ground get off with carefully orchestrated settlements — whitewash jobs that involve the firms paying pathetically small fines without even being required to admit wrongdoing. To add insult to injury, the people who actually committed the crimes almost never pay the fines themselves; banks caught defrauding their shareholders often use shareholder money to foot the tab of justice. “If the allegations in these settlements are true,” says Jed Rakoff, a federal judge in the Southern District of New York, “it’s management buying its way off cheap, from the pockets of their victims.”

    Taibblog: Commentary on politics and the economy by Matt Taibbi

    To understand the significance of this, one has to think carefully about the efficacy of fines as a punishment for a defendant pool that includes the richest people on earth — people who simply get their companies to pay their fines for them. Conversely, one has to consider the powerful deterrent to further wrongdoing that the state is missing by not introducing this particular class of people to the experience of incarceration. “You put Lloyd Blankfein in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for one six-month term, and all this bullshit would stop, all over Wall Street,” says a former congressional aide. “That’s all it would take. Just once.”

    But that hasn’t happened. Because the entire system set up to monitor and regulate Wall Street is fucked up.

    Just ask the people who tried to do the right thing.

    Wall Street’s Naked Swindle

    ============== GARFIELD ON OIL SHORTAGE ====================
    A lot of folks can’t understand how we came to have an
    oil shortage here in our country.
    ~~~
    Well, there’s a very simple answer.
    ~~~
    Nobody bothered to check the oil.
    ~~~
    We just didn’t know we were getting low.
    ~~~
    The reason for that is purely geographical.
    ~~~
    Our OIL is located in:
    ~~~
    ALASKA
    ~~~
    California
    ~~~
    Coastal Florida
    ~~~
    Coastal Louisiana
    ~~~
    North Dakota
    ~~~
    Wyoming
    ~~~
    Colorado
    ~~~
    Kansas
    ~~~
    Oklahoma
    ~~~
    Pennsylvania
    And
    Texas
    ~~~
    Our dipsticks are located in DC……………..

    Any Questions? NO? Didn’t think so.

  122. 122 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “I see you’re deploying the discredited S.I.N. Tactics (“shift the subject, ignore the facts and name-call”) against me. Say it ain’t so?”

    Name calling? Moi?

    “Are you oblivious to this administration’s extreme actions”
    I can’t seem to recall touting this administrations record of humanitarian efforts.

    “Why do you obnoxiously insist on conflating my being in favor of Constitutional government with advocating no government?”
    “Obnoxiously”? I don’t think so. But in any event, mostly because you do.

    “Stop exploiting the poor for political advantage when the types of polices you and Chris support objectively hurt the poor and everyone else.”
    Hurt the poor? Only in your examples. In my examples of real people right here in Stratford who endure real suffering, they are helped.

    “Any misery and suffering Americans are now facing, then, is solely the responsibility of the types of failed bureaucratic schemes you, despite all evidence, continue to want to spend yet more of other people’s money on.”
    Really? “Any”? You think 17% real unemployment and record foreclosures is the fault of…social programs? Are you shocked that when the economy collapses, social programs expand?

    “Both parties are too often just different feathers of the same collectivist and statist bird.”
    Sigh….

    “What does 2+2= ?”
    Everyone knows it’s “cold”. Sorry, couldn’t help it. Unfortunately/fortunately life can’t be reduced to the cold certainty of mathematics.

    “when the EPA was planning to endanger the lives of everyone in Stratford. Why should anyone take their concern for the environment seriously now?”
    And how did that turn out?

  123. 123 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Name calling? Moi?” – Yes and not only name calling. You’ve committed many S.I.N.s

    “I can’t seem to recall touting this administrations record of humanitarian efforts.” – Is it humanitarian to emulate Dick Nixon?

    “Obnoxiously” – I would rather not say it, my friend, but if you keep making accusations that you know to be baseless (e.g., “you neglect the actual suffering of those unable or incapable to provide for themselves.”)…

    “Hurt the poor? Only in your examples. In my examples of real people right here in Stratford who endure real suffering, they are helped.” – What examples? You have given ZERO examples. No matter how many real-world example I provide (is 60 Minutes fictional?), you never admit to an error. I have also been speaking, as Keynesians say, in the aggregate. And, in the aggregate, there is essentially no correlation between government anti-poverty spending and the poverty rate. By all means, prove me wrong.

    I have never denied that some people benefit. If someone (call him B) is unemployed and the government pays him $100,000 to continually dig and then refill a ditch, B will certainly be better off. But will the economy? How about the people from whom the government extracted that $100,000 to give to B (after taking a hefty cut for administration) under threat of force? Are they better or worse off? The government has no money. Whatever it spends must at some point be paid for by the American people in the form of taxes. Since taxes, in the words of Nassim Nicholas Taleb, are anti-evolutionary, punishing those who are successful, chances are people who were coerced to pay for B’s six figure ditch-digging government salary, could put that money to more productive purposes.

    Even welfare advocates typically concede that anti-poverty transfer programs, while they represent a small share of GDP, do have long-term opportunity and innovation costs for the overall economy. And since economic growth is the only way to create jobs, raise people out of poverty, and pay for the government’s debt — please let me know if anyone disagrees with those three points? — even a small loss in growth has serious negative consequences over time.

    The debate about how much has/is/will be spent and what impact that spending had/has/will have is boring. The empirical evidence is on my side, but you have your leftish feelings. No amount of other people’s money will ever be enough. And you will never admit to the painful truth that “If a politician gets elected by the poor on a promise to eliminate poverty, wouldn’t fulfilling his promise destroy his voting base? Wouldn’t he rather benefit from the growing numbers of poor people? Isn’t this an obvious conflict of interests? (Oleg Atbashin).”

    Or, to paraphrase Upton Sinclair, is it difficult to get a politician or social control bureaucrat to understand that they are hurting the poor when their own re-election and government salary depends upon their not understanding?

    Let’s get to brass tacks, shall we? Forget government anti-poverty transfer spending. That amounts to a minuscule amount of spending in a vast polluted sea of red ink. While I would prefer to replace the whole social control bureaucracy with a negative income tax (revelation: poor people need money, not bureaucrats with fat salaries “helping” them), let’s put that thought aside for the moment, too.

    What I would like to focus on is the unsaid: the vast majority of government transfer payments go the wealthy and middle class. Agricultural subsidies benefit some of the wealthiest people in the country. There is no means testing for Medicare and Social Security. Social Security is a particularly bad deal for low income Americans who really need 12.4% of their income now and not decades in the future (if at all). Even though the average Social Security payment is $1,170 a month that represents just 40% of elderly income. While not insubstantial, what is forgotten is that the other 60% comes from savings, investments, and jobs. In other words, destitute seniors are a tiny minority of those receiving the hand-out.

    I can understand why your “good” intentions compel you to want taxpayer dollars to go to those in need. But what is your justification for the trillions of dollars that are to go to those who do not, by any stretch of the imagination, need it? Wouldn’t it be better to have a program that just helps those who actually need help? Of course the answer is “no.” The supposedly 30 million uninsured represent less than 10% of the population meaning the other 90+% were already covered by private insurance or existing government programs. It would again seem obvious that if you believe that government need to do something to insure the uninsured and mensurable, a program specifically for those now unable to afford or quality existing coverage should be developed. But that is not what Obamacare does. It instead changes the way how everyone gets their coverage and care, even though the majority of the majority of Americans preferred their existing coverage.

    As this real-world example illustrates, helping those in need is the excuse not the true motivation of collectivists. Words matter, but actions still speak louder.

    I would also like to mention again the three planks of Professor Steven Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda. In summary: 1.) End racist and exclusionary minimum wage and licensing requirements. 2.) Open public schools to competition. (Prof. Horowitz notes “The combination of awful public schools and minimum-wage and licensure laws has kept more Americans poor than any other set of policies of the twentieth century, and they have damaged African-Americans more than anything the Klan ever did.”). 3.) End the “War” on Drugs.
    Read the original in full: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/the-dark-side-ii/#comment-15967

    Do you or do you not support this agenda, which would not touch welfare spending but would do much to “restore the sawed-off rungs” of the socio-economic ladder for low income Americans?

    “Really? ‘Any’? You think 17% real unemployment and record foreclosures is the fault of…social programs?” – No. I was, inarticulately, trying to make two different points. 1.) Before the recession, social programs were ineffective and deleterious (subprime mortgage, anyone?). The inability of these programs to cope with real need effectively now, only highlights how truly wasteful and ineffective and undeserving of the billions spent for their expansion in good time. 2.) By “Bureaucratic schemes” I meant everything from Social Security to the Departments of Agriculture, Education, and Energy (to name only three).

    According to Nick Gillespie and Veronique de Rugy: “The Department of Education, created in 1980 under Jimmy Carter, has demonstrably failed to improve education results. Ronald Reagan talked about abolishing the department but did nothing to dismantle it. Under George W. Bush, federal funding for education increased by 50 percent in real dollars without anything to show for it other than higher debt levels. The department should be dumped altogether, along with farm subsidies and virtually all spending by the energy and commerce departments.”

    If you disagree, by all means, offer a defense. You can offer one, can’t you?

    “Are you shocked that when the economy collapses, social programs expand?” – No. Social program expand regardless of the shape the economy is in. It’s called mission creep. In good times, we hear”individuals are so rich, surely, government should spend more of other people’s money to help the poor.” In bad times, we hear “the need is so great, we have a crisis, surely, government should spend more of other people’s money to help the poor.” The poor stay poor, the politicians get powerful, and the bureaucrats get rich.

    “Sigh…” – Do you deny that both parties, when in power and despite their policy positions, tend to support the expansion of government? FD Roosevelt ran on a fiscally conservative platform against the big spending, big government Hoover. Once in office, FD Roosevelt ignored his campaign promises and became a bigger spender and bigger government president than even Hoover.

    “Unfortunately/fortunately life can’t be reduced to the cold certainty of mathematics.” – Life can be reduced to the cold certainty of objective reality, of which mathematics is representative. North Koreans are on average six inches shorter than South Koreans. Why is that? Americans had a vastly higher standard of living than Soviets, yet the politicians and media spoke of parity, and leftish economists like Paul Samuelson projected till the very end that the Soviet Union would surpass the US. Neither was true. Why was that?

    “And how did that turn out?” – Why don’t you tell me? I raised that question in the Kelly post.

    By the way, Did you make a donation to Uncle Sam yet?
    https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454.

  124. 124 1george1

    Jeze made some very, very good points.

    After a slow start Portia raised some G R E A T I S S U E S.

    As Portia pointed out many of the government programs turn out
    as failures, and jobs for the party faithful.

    Conversely, some of those safety nets have helped with short term
    problems, which sorely need stop gap measures.

    The Republicans seem intent in breaking the system, and making it
    completely corrupt, so no one could stop their looting.

    The Democrats seem intent in breaking the system, and making it
    completely corrupt, so they can create planned solutions and the
    change of the guards for a new set of front men!!

    Depending on circumstances and depending on specifics, there are
    times when both Portia and Jeze or Chris are B O T H correct.

    It is analogous to 2 different verdicts in almost identical cases?

  125. 125 jezebel282

    From George:

    directed by Charles H. Ferguson.

    The film was screened at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2010.
    Ferguson has described the film as being about
    “the systemic corruption of the United States by the financial
    services industry and the consequences of that systemic
    corruption.”

    The film won an Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature in 2011

    The subject of Inside Job is the global financial crisis of 2008.
    It features research and extensive interviews with financial
    insiders, politicians, journalists, and academics.

    The film focuses on changes in the financial industry in the
    decade leading up to the crisis, the political movement toward
    deregulation, and how the development of complex trading
    such as the derivatives market allowed for large increases in
    risk taking that circumvented older regulations that were
    intended to control systemic risk.

    In describing the crisis as it unfolded, the film also looks at
    “conflicts of interest” in the financial sector, many of which
    it suggests “are not properly disclosed.”

    The film suggests that these “conflicts of interest” affected
    credit rating agencies as well as academics who receive funding
    as consultants but do not disclose this information in their
    academic writing, and that these conflicts played a role in

    obscuring and exacerbating the crisis.

    (GEO – Isn’t that how Stratford does business? ANIMALS run FARM)

    A major theme is the pressure from the financial industry on the
    political process to avoid regulation,
    and the ways that it is exerted.
    One conflict discussed is the prevalence of the revolving door,
    (GEO – Shades of stratford – Batman?”)
    whereby financial regulators can be hired within the financial
    sector upon leaving government and make millions.
    (GEO – A certain milford law firm might not have any business, if
    it were not for insider trading with former state + federal + local
    attorneys who represent agencies, departments, and education?) 😦

    Within the derivatives market, the film contends that the high risks
    that began with subprime lending were transferred from investors
    to other investors who,
    due to questionable rating practices,
    falsely believed that the investments were safe.

    Thus, lenders were pushed to sign up mortgages
    without regard to risk,
    or even favoring higher interest rate loans,
    since, once these mortgages were packaged together,
    the risk was disguised.

    According to the film,
    the resulting products would often have AAA ratings,
    equal to U.S. government bonds.

    The products could then be used even by investors such as
    retirement funds who are required to limit themselves to the
    safest investments.

    Another issue discussed is the high pay in the financial industry,
    (Shades of Government Pensions & Benefits & OT & PAY?)

    and how it has grown in recent decades out of proportion
    to the rest of the economy.

    Even at the banks that failed, the film shows how bank executives
    were making hundreds of millions of dollars in the period immediately
    up to the crisis, all of which was kept, again suggesting that the
    risk/benefit balance has been broken.

    The film ends by contending that despite recent financial regulations,
    the underlying system has not changed;
    rather the remaining banks are only bigger,
    while all the incentives remain the same.

  126. 126 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “What examples? You have given ZERO examples.”
    Actually, I have given plenty. Maybe you skipped them?

    “You’ve committed many S.I.N.s”
    Let he who is without..oh never mind.

    “I would rather not say it, my friend, but if you keep making accusations that you know to be baseless”
    In the totality of your prose, I can find your only solution to the suffering and misery of others to be the Blanche DuBois Method: depending upon the kindness of strangers. (Which is marginally better than the Ebeneezer Scrooge Method: Are there no jails, are there no workhouses.) A little compassion blended with your rigid philosophy might be more appealing. Or perhaps a compromise? A little more criticism of the DOD spending?

    “Forget government anti-poverty transfer spending. ”
    Do we include corporate poverty programs? You know, like transferring ALL of their bad debt to the government (us)?

    “North Koreans are on average six inches shorter than South Koreans. Why is that?”
    Why? My guess would be that the world has no shortage of crazy despots. Do you really think Kim Jong Il understands anything about economics…or cares?

    “The department should be dumped altogether, along with farm subsidies and virtually all spending by the energy and commerce departments.”
    If you disagree, by all means, offer a defense. You can offer one, can’t you?”
    Of course I can, feeble though it may be. There are nearly 16,000 (15,274) school districts in the U.S. Do we run them as separate kingdoms or attempt to exercise some minimal control, like requiring reading and math, over our education system. Under No Child Left With a Dime, “teaching to the test” was tried. That hasn’t worked out so well. In any event, I would feel much better if I moved to say, Texas, and knew my child wasn’t taught that the planet came into existence 6,000 years ago and only took a week to create.

    “Life can be reduced to the cold certainty of objective reality, of which mathematics is representative.”
    Many have attempted, none have succeeded.

  127. 127 cstratct

    Portia: “Jimmy Miron and Chris were worse than complicit when the EPA was planning to endanger the lives of everyone in Stratford. Why should anyone take their concern for the environment seriously now?”

    What are you talking about? Complicit? Did I dump the asbestos in the ground? Did I say I agreed with the EPA’s course of action planned for Stratford? The problem is that there are no easy solutions to the problem. I don’t think it should be left there and simply capped like they did with the Home Depot site. And for what it’s worth, Raymark fought litigation for years. It’s not worth repeating it all, but here are a few interesting facts about the Raymark situation:

    “Environmental Enforcement Section filed a lawsuit against Raymark in which we sought over $280 million in costs that EPA had spent cleaning up the Raymark Property and other properties around Stratford that had been contaminated with Raymark’s waste. EES also sought an order allowing the sale of the Raymark property to help recover some of the costs that EPA had expended cleaning up the company’s waste.

    Raymark then sued the owners of residential property in Stratford seeking to recover from them the costs of cleaning up the waste that Raymark had generated. EES took the position that Raymark’s suit against the owners of the residential properties was improper and we immediately sought to settle with each residential property owner to protect them from Raymark’s suit.”

    http://www.justice.gov/enrd/3633.htm

    Raymark actually sued residential property owners to recover their costs. Oh yeah, then they claimed bankruptcy. Had the EPA and EES not stepped in, there wouldn’t have been anyone cleaning up these sites (of which there were nine operable units within one Superfund site). And your solution is what exactly?

    You have the audacity to question my concern for the environment? Extreme doesn’t even begin to describe the ongoing lies you continue to spew about my positions any number of topics.

  128. 128 1george1

    Very good counter post by Jeze to Portia’s excellent points.

    I am enjoying this battle, because it has facts, theory, opinion,
    and passion of two very intelligent people. Good debate!

    Hey Mike, a Helicopter just buzzed my house.
    I could not see the color (black?)

    Last week a Sikorsky Helicopter pilot told me the ones to worry
    about are NAVY BLUE, when had 7 of them at SIKORSKY with FBI,
    CIA, DOD, HOMELAND SECURITY, when that slimey traitor tried to
    blow up the truck in Times Square.

    I have no idea if it is true?
    His telling me about it reminded me of “BLUE THUNDER.”
    Now that was a HELICOPTER – WEAPONS PLATFORM,
    which the DRONES have pretty much replaced!

    I would like to see a massive Helicopter / Airforce / Convoy for F.E.M.A.
    to help natural disasters like: Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquake, Floods,
    Fires, and the like?

    I would like to see massive terraforming like the SAHARA FORREST?

  129. 129 portia1776

    Portia,

    “Actually, I have given plenty. Maybe you skipped them?” – There was the one about the elderly woman, but that was not all that applicable when I have written that entitlement reform (negative income tax, flattening the tax code, offering buyouts) a.) should exclude those like her who are now receiving Social Security and actually need it (remember the government is under no legal obligations to pay), and b.) would result in more income accruing to people like her than the pittance paid by Social Security.

    “Let he who is without..oh never mind.” – I answer every point and every question. You, my friend, continue to dodge those points and questions that conflict with your leftish ideological bias. In short, you can’t handle the truth.

    “In the totality of your prose, I can find your only solution to the suffering and misery of others to be the Blanche DuBois Method: depending upon the kindness of strangers.” – No, I want individuals to depend primarily on the kindness of themselves. You want them to depend on the kindness of corrupt politicians and incompetent bureaucrats spending taxpayer’s money on themselves — and, if there is any scraps left over — the children, seniors, poor, uninsured.

    How exactly is it beneficent to have the government take by force 12.4% of a low income laborer’s wages and say “well, maybe in 40 or so years future politicians will give you a handout” when they really need the money now? The fact that you refuse to support the means testing of Social Security and Medicare and the Prescription Drug “Benefit” lays bear that your positions have more to do with a preference for government control than actually helping the least among us. By all means, prove me wrong. Answer my straightforward challenge, now thrice stated: Do you or do you not support Professor Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda, which would not touch welfare spending, but would do much to “restore the sawed-off rungs” of the socio-economic ladder for low income Americans?

    As Adam Smith wrote: “The natural effort of every individual to better his own condition… is so powerful, that it alone, and without any assistance, is not only capable of carrying on the wealth of society to wealth and prosperity, but of surmounting a hundred impertinent obstructions with which the folly of human laws too often encumbers its operation.” Why do you insist on protecting laws that encumber social mobility when we know those laws to be folly and impertinent obstructions, particularly to the poor?

    Again, there is no justification, aside from leftish ideology, for the trillions of dollars in transfer payment to go to those who do not, by any stretch of the imagination, need them. There is no justification, aside from leftish ideology, for Obamacare to include all Americans instead of just those who are uninsured and uninsurable under existing public and private arrangements.

    “A little compassion blended with your rigid philosophy might be more appealing.” – Lassiez-faire capitalism is the only moral and compassionate philosophy because it respects individual rights, empowers individuals to strive to better themselves, allows for the greatest acts of generosity and volunteerism, aligns incentives to increase political freedom, prosperity, cosmopolitanism, peace and cooperation between nations, the preservation of endangered species and the environment, and has historically allowed hundreds of millions of people to rise up from poverty. Collectivist societies, on the other hand, only succeed in making the poor poorer and replacing aristocrats with powerful bureaucrats and political elites.

    “Or perhaps a compromise?” – Sure. What are you offering?

    “A little more criticism of the DOD spending?” – Certainly. The DOD needs to have its budget significantly cut and re-prioritized so that the federal government can fulfill one of its fundamental Constitutional duties: to provide for the common defense. Choosing weapons systems on the basis of whose district the contractor is in rather than efficacy does not make us safer. And, while we’re at it, Homeland Security needs to be disbanded. Too bad “Progressives” and Conservatives, a bipartisan consensus, disagree with me. Why is that?

    Please keep in mind, however, that in FY2010, Social Security spending was equal to Defense spending — each consuming 19% of the budget. Medicare was 12%, Non-Defense Discretionary was 18%, and “Other” (what could be other than non-defense discretionary and entitlements?) was 24%. Medicaid, which is means tested, only amounted to 8%. Does it not bother you that the largest category of national government spending does not even have a proper name? What fraud and folly is that 43% of the budget that falls under the ambiguous banners of “other” and “non-defense discretionary”?

    To put this budget in perspective, here is Gillespie and De Rugy again:

    “Here’s an appalling snapshot: During fiscal year 2010, which ended on September 30, the government spent around $3.6 trillion, or 25 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), while collecting $2.1 trillion in tax revenue, or 14.5 percent of GDP. The resulting deficit was $1.5 trillion. The total debt held by the public—the sum of all accumulated annual deficits and interest payments—reached 63 percent of GDP.

    You have to go back to 1946, in the immediate aftermath of World War II, to find spending that was as large a percentage of GDP. You need to return to 1945 to find a deficit that big on a percentage basis as well. Just a few years ago, in 2007, the debt was 36.2 percent of GDP (http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/14/the-19-percent-solution ).”

    “Ebeneezer Scrooge Method” – Did he not freely choose on the basis of self-interest to become generous in the end? Did his prior year’s of profits not provide him with the means with which to be generous, including the money needed for Tiny Tim’s medical care?

    “Do we include corporate poverty programs? You know, like transferring ALL of their bad debt to the government (us)?” – Glad to hear you agree with me in repudiating the failed bailout and stimuli polices of Presidents Bush and Obama. I like it when we agree!

    “Why? My guess would be that the world has no shortage of crazy despots.” – So you see no connection between a country’s government and the condition of its people?! This is the problem with leftish ideological bias. North Korea is the apotheosis of “Progressivism.” Every “social justice” policy Chris and President Obama dream of is enshrined in North Korean’s constitution — and, tellingly, those polices have been faithfully implemented in practice for decades. The results are devastating.

    “Do you really think Kim Jong Il understands anything about economics…or cares?” – Whether he understands or cares, the constitution of North Korean gives the Big Brother State he rules total command-and-control over every aspect of his slaves lives. Again, are you really going to deny that bad policy have anything to do with, what Christopher Htichens described, as “the lunacy of its command economy” which has killed an “unguessable number of people to sheer starvation” and which has “[t]he survivors, especially the children… stunted and malformed”? Who commands that economy, Jez? Please spare us the excuse that President Obama’s economic cadres are any smarter than Kim Jong Il’s economic cadres.

    “There are nearly 16,000 (15,274) school districts in the U.S. Do we run them as separate kingdoms or attempt to exercise some minimal control, like requiring reading and math, over our education system.” – Yes, we need to stop throwing money at a massive failed bureaucracy and restore education to the local control of parents and teachers, i.e., the prime stakeholders. Diversity of approaches (what you call “separate kingdoms”) is a good thing. So, too, is ending the government monopoly on education, of which the centralized power of the DOE is a substantial part.

    “Under No Child Left With a Dime, ‘teaching to the test’ was tried. That hasn’t worked out so well.” – Are you suffering from some kind of cognitive dissonance today? First, you agree with me to stop corporate welfare (President Obama disagrees). Second, you agree with me that increased educational spending to implement DOE centralized educational polices like No Child Left Behind doesn’t work (again, President Obama disagrees).

    “In any event, I would feel much better if I moved to say, Texas, and knew my child wasn’t taught that the planet came into existence 6,000 years ago and only took a week to create.” – LOL. Seriously, I’m not going to let you off that easy when, as economist Veronique De Rugy, notes: “During the last 40 years, the federal government has spent $1.8 trillion on education, and spending per pupil in the U.S. has tripled in real terms. Government at all levels spent an average of $149,000 on the 13-year education of a high school senior who graduated in 2009, compared to $50,000 (in 2009 dollars) for a 1970 graduate.

    Despite the dramatic increase in spending, there has been no notable change in student outcomes (http://reason.org/news/show/losing-the-brains-race ).”

    This chart of hers (http://reason.org/news/show/losing-the-brains-race ) contrasts decades of National Assessment of Educational Progress scores segmented by category with government spending, and reveals that “The only trend line with a pulse is the amount of spending.”

    “Many have attempted, none have succeeded.” – Is this statement true or false?

    Not to be a nag about this, but have you made that donation to Uncle Sam yet? Your “fair” share of the US debt (as of 11:35AM today) is $128,204. If you’re in a particularly giving mode to tax yourself, your “fair” share of Uncle Sam’s unfunded entitlement liabilities is $1,017,250. Will that by check or credit? You don’t want poor o’le Uncle Sam to have to rely on the kindness of strangers (foreign creditors) now do you?

  130. 130 portia1776

    George,

    “I am enjoying this battle, because it has facts, theory, opinion,
    and passion of two very intelligent people. Good debate!” – I think Jez and I can both agree on saying “thank you.” And, I, for one, agree with you.

  131. 131 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “There was the one about the elderly woman, but that was not all that applicable when I have written that entitlement reform”
    There were more than that.

    “You, my friend, continue to dodge those points and questions that conflict with your leftish ideological bias.”
    Have you seen the length of your posts? I am a busy blog editor, you know. What with Chiefs dropping like flies lately and all…
    “Leftish”? Do I look “leftish”?

    “No, I want individuals to depend primarily on the kindness of themselves.”
    And those who cannot?

    “The fact that you refuse to support the means testing of Social Security and Medicare and the Prescription Drug “Benefit” lays bear that your positions have more to do with a preference for government control than actually helping the least among us.”
    I have not refused. I am simply waiting for you to drop the rhetoric on those topics (Statist, illegal, etc.) to have that discussion. A means test would be a great idea. So would ending the exemption on pay over $110,000/year. That would be fair.

    “Choosing weapons systems on the basis of whose district the contractor is in rather than efficacy does not make us safer. And, while we’re at it, Homeland Security needs to be disbanded. Too bad “Progressives” and Conservatives, a bipartisan consensus, disagree with me. Why is that?”
    Beats me.

    “There is no justification, aside from leftish ideology, for Obamacare to include all Americans instead of just those who are uninsured and uninsurable under existing public and private arrangements.”
    You’re kidding, right?

    “Did he not freely choose on the basis of self-interest to become generous in the end?”
    No…it was those leftish ghosts.

    “the constitution of North Korean gives the Big Brother State he rules total command-and-control over every aspect of his slaves lives.”
    No, my friend, it is the bullets in his soldier’s guns that gives him the authority.

    “government has spent $1.8 trillion on education, and spending per pupil in the U.S. has tripled in real terms.”
    This is not a simple question to be answered by how much money has been spent. The only coercion the DOE has over 16,000 districts is “if you want our money then…”. kinda like the DOT has over interstates. The problem, in my opinion, is that those who administrate these 16,000 districts usually don’t have a clue what they are doing.

    “Will that by check or credit? ”
    Credit, please. I need the points.

    “I think Jez and I can both agree on saying “thank you.” And, I, for one, agree with you.”
    Me too.

  132. 132 1george1

    GEO: I gotta write to disagree with both on this one!

    PORTIA: the constitution of North Korean gives the Big Brother State he
    rules total command-and-control over every aspect of his slaves lives.”

    JEZE: No, my friend, it is the bullets in his soldier’s guns that gives him
    the authority

    =

    GEO: RUSSIA and the ALLIES Political worked a series of DEALS post WW II.

    1) Russia created the Berlin Blockade
    > Gave Anglo American Air Force opportunity to be ANGELS of MERCY
    to BERLIN, instead of the FIRE BOMBING ANGELS of DEATH to all of the
    MAJOR GERMAN CITIES !!

    2) Korean War – Russia walked out of UN SECURITY COUNCIL, taking with
    them the VETO POWER to have stopped the UN World Forces to help
    JAPAN and South KOREA!
    > Japan raped and massacred Korea, Manchuko, China, ruthlessly.
    > Post WW II, Japan was stipped of Military – completely.
    > Korea + China were Geographic and Military SWORD of DAMACLES
    over JAPAN.
    > Racist JAPAN loved the idea of WHITES and other RACES fighting and
    dying to protect them, while they were used as a STAGING AREA which
    rebuilt their economy to # 3 in the World.
    > One way to defeat an enemy to to become their PROTECTOR and their
    BENEFACTORS, which was the POLITICAL OBJECTIVES related to Western
    Europe and JAPAN.
    > Korean War lasted 1172 DAYS or in number letter substitution code:
    K. G. B. (cagey bee) (Russia’s C.I.A.) K=11 + G=7 + B=2 or KGB = 1172 Days!
    > Korean War was NOT fought to be WON!!
    > Korean War + despot are counter points to both Japan + China.
    > Korean War + despot are counter points to other dictators.
    > What good does it do to conquer the world … and lose your SeOUL?
    > Cryptographic sign post, future conflice > KOReAN

    3) ALGERIA was a FRENCH COLONY, which became independent.
    OSS took LIBYA away from BUNKY HUNT and family, setting up Kadafy duck.

    4) INDOCHINA was a FRENCH COLONY, which became independent
    sets of countries. One named SO. VIETnam (man)
    > Southeast Asia was allowed to be the battle fields for US + USSR +
    BRITAIN + FRENCH + CHINESE ARMS MERCHANTS

    5) BRITAIN SEPARATED 2 areas for MOSLEM PAKISTAN from HINDU INDIA.
    Anyone else notice, everyone except moslems, indochina, black africa,
    and spanish central and south america, were raised up for quality of life
    while those areas were relegated as KILL ZONES?

    6) Jews were given ISRAEL to offset the CRUSADES.
    Let the MOSLEMS hate the JEWS rather than the CATHOLIC KINGS,
    POPES, and ROYAL FAMILIES, who also pretend to be Protestant?

    7) Later, they pit the IRANIAN PERSIANS vs. MOSLEM ARABS
    IRAQ Sunni + Shiite Moslems were pit against each other, while
    the KURDS were kept away?

    8 ) RUSSIA + CHINA + INDIA + BRAZIL are among the world’s most populated
    countries other than the United States.
    West Europe + East Europe were reunited and Europe as a whole competes,
    while retaining tribal barbarisms.

    9) The British Empire became a “Common” “Wealth”
    After WW II, most kingdoms and empires were sundered and replaced
    by nominal “peoples Republics” or LEFTIST “Dictators” or RIGHT WING
    “Strongmen?”

    Portia uses the same mentality describing ideological foes / friends,
    as do many of those who watch GOEBBEL’S FOX NEWS & TALKING HEADS
    or the LENINcompoop CHANNELS of the RIGHT!

  133. 133 portia1776

    “You have the audacity to question my concern for the environment? Extreme doesn’t even begin to describe the ongoing lies you continue to spew about my positions any number of topics.” – Anyone who cares to know who is lying can fact check what I wrote for themselves. Not a single word is in dispute, no less refuted. Once again, Chris provides a fine example of “When you have no basis for argument, abuse the plaintiff” (Cicero).

    Jez, a response is forthcoming, probably in somewhat less than a fortnight. Keep up the great coverage of the fall of the Mironite chiefs. This moment was too long in coming. At least we (taxpayers, residents, and especially Stratford’s Finest and Bravest and Munificent (EMS volunteers)) can celebrate. Of course our job is unending. Eternal vigilance is necessary to prevent Miron and the Mironite effluent from becoming refluent.

    George, I know you will enjoy this quote and appreciate the ironies in light of the reactions to my posts. Betrand De Jouvenel, a French intellectual and self-described conservative liberal (in the true, individualist sense of the word), said that “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.”

  134. 134 1george1

    George, I know you will enjoy this quote and appreciate the ironies
    in light of the reactions to my posts. Betrand De Jouvenel, a French
    intellectual and self-described conservative liberal
    (in the true, individualist sense of the word), said that

    “A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.”

    GEO: “will enjoy this quote” SORRY PORTIA.
    Despite your excellent vocabulary ….”enjoy” …. is the wrong word.

  135. 135 1george1

    132 1george1 on March 10, 2011 said:

    2) Korean War – Russia walked out of UN SECURITY COUNCIL, taking with
    them the VETO POWER to have stopped the UN World Forces to help
    JAPAN and South KOREA!
    > Japan raped and massacred Korea, Manchuko, China, ruthlessly.
    > Post WW II, Japan was stipped of Military – completely.
    > Korea + China were Geographic and Military SWORD of DAMACLES
    over JAPAN.
    > Racist JAPAN loved the idea of WHITES and other RACES fighting and
    dying to protect them, while they were used as a STAGING AREA which
    rebuilt their economy to # 3 in the World.
    > One way to defeat an enemy to to become their PROTECTOR and their
    BENEFACTORS, which was the POLITICAL OBJECTIVES related to Western
    Europe and JAPAN.
    > Korean War lasted 1172 DAYS or in number letter substitution code:
    K. G. B. (cagey bee) (Russia’s C.I.A.) K=11 + G=7 + B=2 or KGB = 1172 Days!
    > Korean War was NOT fought to be WON!!
    > Korean War + despot are counter points to both Japan + China.
    > Korean War + despot are counter points to other dictators.
    > What good does it do to conquer the world … and lose your SeOUL?
    > Cryptographic sign post, future conflice > KOReAN

    —–

    128 1george1 on March 10, 2011 said:

    I would like to see a massive Helicopter / Airforce / Convoy for F.E.M.A.
    to help natural disasters like: Hurricanes, Tornados, Earthquake, Floods,
    Fires, and the like?

    I would like to see massive terraforming like the SAHARA FORREST?

    —–

    135 1george1 on March 11, 2011 said:
    MSNBC

    TOKYO — A magnitude 8.9 earthquake slammed Japan’s northeastern
    coast Friday (MARCH 11), unleashing a 13-foot tsunami that swept
    boats, cars, buildings and tons of debris miles inland. Fires triggered
    by the quake burned out of control up and down the coast.

    At least five people were killed and there were reports of several
    injuries in Tokyo, hundreds of miles away, where buildings shook
    violently through the main quake and the wave of massive aftershocks
    that followed.

    Prime Minister Naoto Kan said the quake caused “major damage”
    in northeastern Japan, but that nuclear power facilities in the
    area were not damaged and there was no radiation leakage.

    Officials were still trying to assess the extent of destruction.
    The government’s top spokesman, Yukio Edano, said that the
    country was sending troops to the quake-hit area to join

    relief efforts.

    A tsunami warning was also issued for Hawaii and the coasts of
    Oregon, California, Washington and parts of Alaska.

    “A tsunami has been generated that could cause damage along
    the coastlines of all islands in the state of Hawaii,” the Pacific
    Tsunami Warning Center’s bulletin said. “Urgent action should
    be taken to protect lives and property.”

    ================================================

    Forwarded Message —-
    From: George Mulligan
    To: michael daly
    Hugh Bailey
    Cc: John Kovach
    Tim Bishop

    Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:14:03 PM

    Subject: Weird (even for me) Dream – I rarely remember Dreams in whole or in part?

    (GEORGE: note the date March 11 & on March 10
    – I had 2 blog posts including about F.E.M.A. type agency
    – The other was about protecting / assisting Japan)

    Weird Dream – I rarely remember

    Blue Thunder (Helicopter)

    7 Navy Blue Helicopters

    An attacking Black Panther, extra large cat.

    Date: March 11

    George McGovern

    David Rockefeller

    Rockefellers / GHW Bush / Bin Laden

    Pinkertons

    I have NO IDEA if these are symbolic or somehow prophetic?
    I r a r e l y remember dreams, even parts of dreams.
    These were multiple dreams and factions of?

    George Mulligan
    Stratford, CT. 06615

    ============ GEORGE comment: ==============

    I have some precognative (ESP) past history, which can not be
    attributed to persons manipulating facts and circumstance.

    However, I have more of a history of persons unknown making
    me aware of things which were to come or had past, that
    normally are not detected by normal senses.

    GOOGLE: “HAARP” (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program)
    in Gakona, Alaska
    Conspiracy theorists have linked HAARP to numerous earthquakes.

    haarp.net/mindcontrol
    Could The HAARP Project Be For Mind Control?

  136. 136 1george1

    George Mulligan, 429 Housatonic Av. Stratford, CT 06615 9203) 378-1888

    # 136 March 12, 2011 stratford charter . wordpress – The Dark Side II

    RE: Listing deaths and injuries which wholly or more likely in part
    constitute serial murder and harassment, within bigger ops.

    It is my understanding that when someone is about to die or thinks
    a murder or murders is/are imminent, certain testimony/commentary
    holds greater weight in Law

    There are elements in U.S. + CT. politics who appear to have favorite
    “modus operendi” to intimidate and chill targets, including but not
    limited to death, physical damage, property damage, financial attack,
    and other ways and means consistent with those afflicted to JOB of
    the BOOK of JOB.

    1 – Using “NON DISCERNIBLE BIO TOXINS” where normal pathology can
    NOT find traces of organics (placed in food or drink) which are
    causal to deaths from:
    A) Heart Attack
    B) Kidney Failure
    C) Accelloted Virulent Cancer
    D) Brain Anuerism
    E) Liver Failure
    F) Others to be determined
    Police, State Police, & FBI have Pathology training and PATTERN
    ANALYSIS capability.

    2. Using “FIRE” on Garages, Barns, Cars, and Homes

    3. Using “VEHICULAR ACCIDENTS,” especially REAR ENDING, which are
    easier to control and cause specific damage (non lethal)

    4. Using human assets and leverage, people can have huge damage to
    their homes, portfolios (assets) and jobs (careers) affecting income.

    Operating remotely and passing orders through channels and chains of
    command, those causing problems are effectually invisible to the target.
    By rotating human assets who can be witting or unwitting, it makes for
    a more difficult method to identify the perps and planners.

    March 11, 2011 CT POST covered Fire of Garage on King Street
    + Main Street across from Christ Church.

    In the early 1990s Councilman James Meehan’s car was firebombed.

    The next night Councilman Moreau’s barn was burned and pool
    liner was slashed.

    James Meehan died March 10, according to Friday’s CT POST.
    Details (wake) in the Saturday prior to Town Council Meeting

    I suggest Mr. Moreau avoid places where there are open bottles
    or glasses or where food can be spiked?

    REFERENDUM Reprisals:
    Diane Buda’s son died in an auto accident involving a Town truck
    les than 60 days after the 1991 Refendum.

    Less than a month later, Eleanor Burke’s car was hit in the fog
    by an off duty Stratford Police Officer, Jan 1992.

    POLICE / POLITICAL Reprisals:

    Dec 1998 Mossman had me arrested – NO WARRANT – NO EXIGENT
    – NO ONE would TESTIFY to support him with 100 witnesses.

    Feb 17, 1999 Manager Barnhart sympathetic letter reply to my
    request to be on WW II Memorial committee and how to get the
    POLICE REPORT being with held by POLICE + STATE Prosecutors!

    March I got lying police report and filed 7 complaints vs. Mossman.

    May Barnhart replied to my complaints in a political way.

    June 1999 I filed complaint vs. Barnhart + Burturla, to Cabrol
    by certified

    July 1999 ex-boss Pris Weadon, Westport = rear ends a stop short
    on I – 91 near Hartford.

    Aug 1999 I was cut off pulling into Gas station Main & Long brook.
    Teen ager w 2 other teen girls total my car. I had lights on – she
    didn’t, it was shortly after dusk. I got the ticket. Main is state hwy.

    Sept 1999 Girl I dated was rear ended on I – 95 going to NY Airport.

    Oct 1999 – My godson’s mom was rear ended on I – 84 near NY. She
    used her car to escourt MODULAR HOMES on INTERSTATE.

    Nov 1999 – My # 3 cousin’s daughter was rear ended on State road
    in Easton.

    Dec 1999 – nothing to my knowledge.

    Jan 2004 – my # 4 cousin’s father in law died

    Jan 2000 Girl I dated was rear ended on I – 95 going to NY Airport.

    Feb 2000 I sent this info & more to CT State Sumpreme Court Justice
    William Sullivan. Would later resign in disgrace.

    Feb 2000 – CT State assist Prosecutor Joe Harry almost fell on his face
    running to Administrative Judge before I could present evidence on
    my auto accidents and others. Case summarially dismissed.

    What I did not know at the time was Stratford Town Attorney’s brother
    was head of CT. STATE TROOPER’S Homeland Security, nor Tom Moore,
    was a former CT STATE TROOPER. I did know former Town Councilor &
    former DTC Head Anthony Schirillo was CT STATE TROOPER.
    > STATE TROOPERS have jurisdiction on Interstates and State highways.
    > I had sought Schirillo’s help in 1998 – 1999 to investigate the series of
    family deaths and USPS deaths. Schirillo was less than useless.
    > Retrospectively, with involvement of Bridgeport FBI + U. S. Attorneys
    StanleY TwardY, Chrsitopher DroneY, Kari DooleY, Kevin O’Conner,
    NoRA Daugherty, and now Fien, D-avid, that the U.S. Justice Department
    and FBI work hand in glove with DOD (AVCO), CIA, USPS, EEOC, NLRB, SEC,
    and local / state / federal police, attorneys, judges and political morlocks
    and cannibals.
    > I understand why the U.S. is over run w DRUGS.
    > The political system is run by cowardly savages.

    ====

    REGISTRARS:
    Dick Miron became registrar about 2001, with $ 26,000 pay for 20 hours
    and Benefits. A couple years ago Derby was raised to $ 10,000.

    Dick was positioned to get Jimmy elected Mayor while Kelly + Burturla
    were helping to arrange for Charter Revisions which would change form
    of government and double / triple their annual fees

    Registrar Ed Fennell died, supposedly natrural death

    Registrar (or ex) Dean Paradise died, supposedly natural death,

    Darth DeCilio became R Registrar somewhere in the mix.
    DeCilio’s best friend, best man, godfather to his son Alex Kozak,
    was an eagle scout and computer whiz. died 1/06
    I consider that a threat to whatever dick, dick, and jim planned.
    Alex tragically died very prematurely.
    Darth eventually was seen bowling with “gutterball deadbeat” Dick Miron.

    Last month, Frank Esposito, monthly speaker at Town Council
    Public forums, passed away.

    December 2010 former SOUTHPORT USPS COWORKER Dave Jersey
    died late in week prior to Town Council Public Forum.

    November 2010 – I forgot who died just prior to Town Council

    Feb 2010 – Sylvia Guberman died about the date I predicted some one
    was scheduled to died at same time as RTC MEETING Mill River.
    > 3 weeks earlier I emailed DeCilio.
    > Before and after Sylvia’s death I emailed Decilio, Bishop + Harkins
    > early March Laura Hoydic won election replacing Harkins.

    About March 2009 – Hugh and Mrs. Catalano died close together,
    about 1 month after Harkins announced candidacy for Mayor.

    There were others.

    March 18, 2010 – Harkins and I met on time + date of his handlers choosing.
    My home was broken into.
    My computer was accessed for LOG ME IN.
    FILES were DELETED relative to Police Chief Mossman, U. S. Attorneys, FBI,
    Burturlas, my police reports and others, but initially they left my business
    files alone.

    In their minds, they were looking to destroy evidence affecting them.
    What they achieved was eliminated the white noise and showed me
    exactly who the enemy of humanity is …. They got stuff. They missed stuff.
    Stuff was backed up. when I went to D.C. Sept 1987, I was 100 x redundant.

    To them material facts are important.
    To me, the circumstancial facts overwhelm material facts.
    SOON, VERY SOON they look for the COUP D GRAS.
    March 18, 2011 – should be a start – 50th anniversay of mom’s birthday.
    The planned cover is Mafia & gang related.
    The causal agents – planning and operations, local handler, relative to
    police, state police, FBI, Marshalls, Constables, Hells Angels – associates,
    tricks and trades, politcal parties, business associations, labor.
    – Interesting Police + Fire + Sikorsky are the same Teamster Local.
    – O.S.S. was well know for certain connection for Tammany Politics

    === KEY FAMILY DEATHS

    Sept 23, 1997 my paternal uncle/godfather/best friend DIED
    It was the first day of autumn / fall. It is an astrology day-red herring.

    Dec 22, 1976 my father died.
    It was the first day of winter. It is an astrology day-red herring.

    Oct 12, 1986 my maternal uncle died.
    It is Columbus Day, and my paternal uncle’s birthdate.

    Oct 1988 my maternal grandmother died, within 12 hours of when I called
    Mrs. Joan Dupont, of Southport – wife of deceased Henry DuPont,
    brother of Pierre DuPont of Delaware.
    > Local rumor was Bridgeport Mafia killed Henry.
    > Local rumor was the perp was killed years later in kind fashion.
    > Urban legend on Frank Piccolo and Wayne Newton, who later played
    a key roll in an extremely interesting James Bond movie about how
    boatloads of cocaine were imported into the U.S.
    > Piccolo supposedly lost under orders from Castellano, who had a button
    man related to a friend, unbeknownst to me, yet well known to OSS/DOD.

    > Interesting McCarron Air Force base location ….

    > Same way C.I.A + D.O.D. have personel in Sikorsky + Avco behind al the
    B. S. going on in Stratford and U. S. = Military Intelligence :: Attorney Ethics

    – USPS Management and NALC Union were all “connected”
    – All Federal Agencies and Departments were all “connected.”
    – All State and Local Agencies and Departments were all “connected.”
    – All the freemen are slaves to the chains of command.

    ======================

    BUTTONED? (murdered?) (approximate year/date) (some are elderly)
    (many are likely natural deaths = NOT ALL):
    1981-82? Joe Rietano (ffld) = USPS Southport – former steward – Korean Vet

    8/1991 Harry Reasoner (Westport) died – Son was friend of friend. I went
    out with his daughter couple times & been to thier home.

    1992 Russ Pleasic (SuttonPl-Stratford) = USPS Fairfield Union President
    Tony Mazzarese (YaleSt-Stratford = Lifetime friend
    Dennis Coleman (Trum) = Southport USPS 1984 temp manager = witness
    Evelyn O’Sullivan(Wakelea-Stratford) HS Gym = Wife of KEY Arbitration
    1992 Lou Gniadek (southport) USPS coworker = character witness
    1992? Gus Herring (42) (Fairfield) HS Classmate = character witness
    1993? Pete Mercurio (trum) father-in-law Gus = both Oil delivery
    1992?Joan Schick (Southport) = wife of character witness
    1992 Larry Lorencz MD (fairfield) My MD – DIED @ 34 20 YEAR FRIEND.
    1992 Rich Lofgren (Norwalk) my C.P.A. = character witness (murdered)
    1993 Bruce Bullard (Southport) = lifetime character witness. (murdered)
    1993 Willy Phillips (Fairfield) = 15 year bowling teammate – 30 year friend
    1993 Doug Gombas (Westport) = Character Witness
    1993 George Cole(Bpt/Stratford) = 30 year character witness bowling
    1993-1994 George Drotos Stratford = 20 year bowling char wit

    1997? Carl Gniadek former Southport USPS Postmaster
    4/1998 Dot Denter gram to my godson
    4/1998 Judge Robert Testo Milford – was my father’s childhood best friend
    12/1998 Paul Stender (Fairfield) 35 year character witness

    1/2001 Tom DiDominico My cousin’s father in law.
    That cousin was scheduled to report to work on L’Ambiance Plaza the day
    AFTER it crashed. Union Job.
    8/2001 Fred Bednar Fairfield
    9/2/2001 My niece Rene Podrybau murdered in IN. 9 days before 9/11.
    2002 – Peter Allen, (52) ex-HS Class mate died 3 days after I ran into him.
    He was ex-husband (related to Steve Cleary) to my neighbor at the time
    3/03 Dave Bargman (Fairfield) = Character Witness
    11/2003 Ed Kruzan (Easton) = another cousin father in law – worked for CIA.

    There are numerous Stratford deaths during the early 2000s.
    9/21/2004 Mrs. Moore died, mother of man who got my van. Day1 of Trial
    9/22/2004 Paul Butler Stratford died during my Mossman Trial. His son helped
    get me my present Van.
    11/2004 Amy Knott McDonald died
    12/2005 cousin’s mother in law died – During my NY TRIAL APPEALS
    2/06 Hugh Curran
    2/06 Ed “Beefy” Hargus
    more

    There is a malevolence in Stratford government and politics, where money
    is GOD and LIES are acceptable as ways and means to manipulate Budgets.

    Many who benefit appear to be blindly ignorant, while others appear to
    work to steal and steal as much as possible.

    At some point what has become obvious to some, will overwhelm.

    I never had a way out, nor a way to succeed.

    Though I am tired and wounded …. I am not slain.
    For I shall rise …. to fight again.

    If and when my body fails … I tried to keep the standard from stain
    For the spirit and conduct of good people …. must succeed and regain.

  137. 137 1george1

    Time to disconnect my tin foil hat.

    I need my beauty sleep ….

  138. 138 1george1

    Interesting that # 136 had no comments.

    I guess some of the people on the list, were not as close to
    the readers, as the readers / posters, pretended they were?

  139. 139 1george1

    # 136 – still nothin.

    I was out conspiracied last night by a new speaker, Paula,
    who took everyone’s picture with a camera and spoke about
    the Bilderbergers, which was one of the few things i could
    follow. …

    I guess she is Frank Esposito’s replacement?
    Frank meant well.
    May his soul reset in peace.

  140. 140 rex525

    George,
    I hope you asked her for her phone number, it sounds like a match made in heaven.

  141. 141 1george1

    Rex,
    She was with a gentleman about her age.

    Because the many people in government and political (such as yourself?)
    practice the equivalent of omerta and the blue wall to be abe to get
    FREE HEALTH CARE and UNDESERVED PENSIONS, etc the truth rarely gets
    to the general population.

    It turned out the reason the POST publshed what they did was to get an
    exclusive story, in order to frame issues the way the political matrix wants
    the story framed.

    I note you do not mention any of the above people. Perhaps you are part
    of the group which causes “fires, accidents, and apparent natural ….?”

    What would happen if it was happening to your family and friends …. ?

    Rex … the coin has more than 2 sides.

    All I have tried to do is protect E V E R Y O N E.

  142. 142 1george1

    In Stratford, pensions top salaries for some new retirees
    Brittany Lyte, Staff Writer

    Updated
    09:27 p.m., Monday, March 14, 2011

    STRATFORD — Five of six town employees who retired in January and for whom human resources officials provided pension data are earning more or nearly the same amount of money in retirement they did while working.

    Police Cpl. Michael Reid retired Jan. 3 with an annual pension of $80,810.40 — more than 28 percent higher than his $62,831 former salary.

    Milford Mix, a former line maintenance crew leader for the Public Works Department, has a pension of $78,726, more than 18 percent higher than the $66,528.76 salary he made before retiring Jan. 10.

    Bryan Williams, a newly retired firefighter, is getting a pension of $67,148.76, up from his former salary of $62,495.61.

    The town is paying former police captains Kenneth Bakalar and Michael Fernandes pensions that are least 97 percent of their former salaries.

    Meanwhile, the town’s pension plans have fallen further behind. There is now a $109 million gap between the fund’s assets and what it owes to future retirees.

    As Mayor John A. Harkins prepares to release a budget proposal this week for fiscal year 2012, town officials face the need to increase the contributions to these retirement plans, one of the drivers of the 9.75 percent property tax increase taxpayers were hit with last year.

    In response to a Freedom of Information Act request made Jan. 31 by the Connecticut Post, the town did not provide pension data for three of nine employees who retired in January: Assistant Fire Chief Daniel Ross, Police Lt. Patrick Freer and public works sanitation driver Isacc Hernandez. Human resources officials also did not provide earnings data for Board of Education retirees.

    The town took a step toward addressing its pension problems with the police department in January by reaching an agreement with the police union to institute 401(k)-style retirement plans instead of pensions for new hires. But the town continues to maintain obligations to its current police employees, all of whom have pensions.

    The town and the public works union ditched pensions for future employees in 1999. Yet, 12 years later, a maintenance crew leader retired with a pension that is 118 percent of his former salary.

    It will likely take many years for the town’s pension liability to see significant relief from these newer contracts.

    Meanwhile, all 97 employees of the Stratford Fire Department have a contract in which their pension is calculated from base pay, overtime and unused vacation. The fire department is the only town department operating under such a contract.

    Contract negotiations between the town and firefighters’ union are under way.

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/In-Stratford-pensions-top-salaries-for-some-new-1127968.php#ixzz1Ghqts3Pr

    COMMENTS:
    Thomas 3:58 AM on March 15, 2011

    Did they not hear of bankruptcy that would null all pensions they should be arrested this is robery of the taxpayer
    —-
    Name withheld
    olderbutwiser 7:12 AM on March 15, 2011

    incredible but not surprising. Stratford has had so much corruption
    and self dealing during my whole life it is sickening.
    MOst running for office are flop lawyers trying to build a practice
    and get their family jobs.
    A bank teller handing out lollipops has more discipline than Stratford
    government. Glad i moved

    Name withheld
    Bohica 8:29 AM on March 15, 2011
    Pensions should be based on base pay only.
    The employees get fed overtime to pump up their last years salary
    and they ride on the gravy train in retirement.

    .
    ——————————————————————————–
    Name withheld
    vac 1:16 PM on March 15, 2011
    what morons on the counsel would approve a contract that woild let someone earn more retired than when they are working and not retiring at 65 or 67 like the rest of us they are retiring in there 40s and 50s

  143. 143 1george1

    The Mafia of the 1950s and early sixties had more integrity
    than today’s Demon-c-rats & RePUB-lie-CON-artists

    Who has damaged America more?
    The politically run FBI, Justice, CIA, DOD, Judicial System, Executive, Congressional, and Bar Association, or

    1950s > Gambino-Patriarca, Columbo, Genovese, Lucchese,
    and Bonanno families, who did not allow drug proliferation?
    They weren’t choir boys.

    Yet the 1960s to present the States took over all the Mafia
    Cash Cows, as licensed taxes.
    Drugs proliferated because the politicians, lawyers, business,
    and rank intelligence care more about money than honor,
    duty, or country and has infested the entire corrupt system.

    —-

    I support our troops.
    I am against Al Qaeda.
    But who and why supplied all of the D.I.E., ooops I meant I. E. D.?

    Halliburton? Black Water? Bechtel?
    France? China? Russia?
    US? UK?
    Israel? Italy? Germany? Japan? O. P. E. C.

    —-

    You people really think you will NOT be betrayed ….
    Like some of you betrayed America, Stratford, your oath, & your families?

  144. 144 1george1

    “You’ve got to be Carefully Taught”

    “You’ve got to be Carefully Taught” (Rodgers and Hammerstein),
    “To hate and fear,
    To be afraid,
    To hate all the people your relatives hate,
    before it’s too late, before you are six or seven or eight.”

    Stratford’s Education Motto: “Tantum eruditi sunt liberi”
    (“Only the Educated are Free.”)

    Closing Schools? Priorities?
    Canard, cover stories?
    Ignorance? Politics!

    Huxley: “Every man who knows how to read has it in his power
    to magnify himself, to multiply the ways in which he exists,
    to make his life full, significant and interesting”

    Russell Baker: “An educated person is one who has learned
    that information almost always turns out to be at best incomplete
    and very often false, misleading, fictitious, mendacious:
    just dead wrong.”

    Mulligan: I can’t support manipulating: “parents/children,
    in Education budgets,” and
    “tax payers” 25 years of local “over Budgeting:”
    Healthcare; Benefits; Pensions; Costs; Mal-allocations.”

    “Town and Bored of Education”
    “Health Care PAID DEDUCTABLES PERCENTS
    may exceed 12%-15% payment of Gross Premium.”
    I believe this gives most Town and Education participants
    effectually “FREE Health Care.”
    “PAID DEDUCTABLES,” may exceed $3,000,000, this and last year?

    Website monthly expenses “project” nearly $2,000,000 overtime
    to Police and Fire Departments, each?

    Biggest Stratford costs since 1998 AVCO preferred vender and
    Pension Bond:
    and subsequent Town Charter Revisions
    “appear steered to certain politically connected:”
    “law firms, companies, and ranking /senior personnel.”

    Defined Benefit Pensions to 620 people
    account for $ 19,000,000 annually,
    with over 200 yet to retire.

    Capital improvements exceed $11,000,000

    Town and Board of Education:
    “Benefits exceed $60,000,000.00”
    of $185,000,000 Budget.

    Stratford has: “talented, capable, and trained,
    education/government professionals.”

    I support appropriate, focused, and wise:
    “Education-Town Budgets;”
    “pay, benefits, conditions, and pensions: government employees,”
    “honest contractor compensation,”
    …… “unrigged Collective Bargaining”
    and …… “un-kited taxation,”
    with …….. “deserved services,”

    Before 2004, I’ve addressed:
    “Stratford’s, State, and Federal, Political Committees”
    “hand select, election candidates,”
    who hire, promote, and negotiate, with
    potential “finders’ fees,” and/or “quid pro quo”
    (“Inside Job”)
    using counterintuitive and counter-logical cover stories.

    Governors’ Conference: Curricula Achievements correlation?
    HOW, not how much, MONEY SPENT!

    $50,000 annually to Jail (wasted minds-lives).
    Stratford spends $12,000 annually/student Educated

    Education’s benefits?

    “GOOGLE:”
    “SONY executive conference video:”
    “Marshall Plan;”
    “Eisenhower Farewell;”
    “Charley Reese: 545 People:”

    “Borlaug;” “Kellogg;” “Birdseye;” “Pasteur;” “Salk;”
    “(D.A.R.P.A.;” “MITS;” “Edison;” “Bell;” “Crapper”
    “Carrier;” “Newton;” “Einstein;” “Curie;” “Dewey;”
    “Gutenberg;” “Archimedes;” “DaVinci;”

    “Thomas Jefferson quotes:”

    “He who knows nothing is closer to the truth
    than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

    “If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs,
    you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors,
    shall all become WOLVES.
    It seems to be the law of our general nature,
    in spite of individual exceptions.”

    “Whenever people are well-informed,
    they can be trusted with their own government.”

    “Educate and inform the whole mass of people ………
    preservation of our liberty.”

    “Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.”

    “Peace & friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy.”

    “It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good.”

    —– END of LETTER to EDITOR which may or may NOT be in the STAR?

    GEO message to BLOG readers:
    That Thomas Jefferson conspiracy nut, would likely be arrested
    and given meds ….. Psyciatric exam …. and declared a violator
    of the PATRIOT ACT?

    Many of the RTC + DTC + electees / appointee (past – present)
    certain retirees + certain workers / managers are human scum
    who lie cheat, steal, create mayham, and murder because they
    are all ego and no self respect.

    Like W E R E W O L V E S they act from the shadows
    ANAGRAM / CODE:
    She wolf suckler:
    ROMULUS > SOUL RUM
    REMUS > Sumer (reversed) – Sumerians = Babylonia captivity
    ILL I A. D. > Troy sacked – ancesters related to Romulus / Remus

    Like S O U L L E S S – V am P I R E S they can’t see themselved
    in mirrors … their true selves …
    (Versailles = (reversed) sell I as Rev — (erand) (FR. palace))
    Georg E VIL-LIERS B U C KING ham (UK palace)
    Georg = ROE G G
    RO MA – SONS

    Like JeKILL and HIDE, their indoctrinated pro-serpine/serpent
    cold blooded schadenfreude is snake like and slither in the
    bottoms of nature’s septic systems ..

    Like the DRUG induced INVISIBLE MAN, their ethics and morals
    are like Plato’s Ring of Gyges or …. anagram (YES G. G.)

    Like FRANKENSTEIN > “F” RANK in STONE they are artificially human

    Like BATMAN’S Joker …. Alway a F A K E SMILE on WHITE FACE,
    compared to minstral show entertainers …..
    INSANE with EGO MANIAC needs for DESTRUCTION as they DIE NASTY!

    BAD STAR or BASTARD?

    Slaves to the CHAINS of COMMAND

  145. 145 1george1

    URBAN LEGEN or FACT?
    John Adams and Thomas Jefferson corresponded with secret
    writing hidded between the lines.

    Hence — Learning to “read between the lines.”

    The United State revers them as PATRIOT.
    At the time, the BRITISH label them as TRAITORS.

  146. 146 jezebel282

    George,

    “Because the many people in government and political (such as yourself?)
    practice the equivalent of omerta and the blue wall to be abe to get
    FREE HEALTH CARE and UNDESERVED PENSIONS, etc the truth rarely gets
    to the general population.”

    Are you kidding? Have you been reading this blog? This Town and every department in it is a sieve. And the worse morale gets the bigger the information flow.

  147. 147 1george1

    JEZE: George,
    “Because the many people in government and political (such as yourself?)

    GEO: I accept ZERO political donations.
    I received about $ 40 in help people would not take payment for.

    I have worked in Government and run for political office AGAINST parties.
    I repeatedly praise many people in both, yet I knock many of the RANK
    PEOPLE, who divvvy the spoiles.
    PCS is one of the few people with husband in government who has been
    willing to PUBLICLY go on the RECORD and named names.

    JEZE: practice the equivalent of omerta and the blue wall to be abe
    to get FREE HEALTH CARE and UNDESERVED PENSIONS, etc the truth
    rarely gets to the general population.”

    Are you kidding? Have you been reading this blog? This Town and every department in it is a sieve. And the worse morale gets the bigger the
    information flow.

    GEO: The older retirees and many of the newer hires are ultra ticked.
    The majority of the rank in file KNOW the TRUTH and are honest and
    patriotic people ….
    NONE will speak up. NONE will step forward!
    They have FAMILIES to FEED. They worry about Pay Check + Benefits?
    Who needs their kids / wife to have a car accident or be poisoned?
    This blog allows people to post anonymously, however the O’Meara
    situation exposed the State Police / Homeland Security / FBI / and
    local Police – Attorneys know who every blogger is or was ….

    Yet anonymous is maintained except for
    George – PCS – GAVIN – FAHAN – BEST + PHYLLIS + SYL + ???

    —-

    NOT IN MY LIFE TIME but maybe some day America will again be the
    LAND of the FREE
    HOME of the BRAVE
    LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.

    Exception?
    GOD BLESS our TROOPS

    Unfortunately
    Political Powers always use the Troops to galvanize / manipulate
    the general populations and the workers / businesses / bureaucrats.

    OMAR BRADLEY about VIETNAM
    WRONG WAR
    WRONG PLACE
    WRONG TIME
    WRONG ENEMY

    CT POST used my letter to Editor with that quote in a letter just
    after Michael Moore Fahrenheit 911….

    3 months later BUSH & lesser degree KERRY used that quote a few
    times in their Debate.

    Incidentally > Eisenhower’s people put Castro into cuba.
    They took it away from the Mafia / Political matrix, using
    the entire island as a form of Las Vegas or adult Disneyland.

    semper FIDELis
    cASTRO nauts

    Marines staff Gitmo = motto “semper fidelis” always ready = be prepared

    I love the NAVY’S new TAGLINE!
    “A FORCE for GOOD!”

  148. 148 rex525

    George: “Because the many people in government and political (such as yourself?)
    WOW, you really missed the mark on this one George, I’m not sure if it’s a compliment or an insult.

    George: “the coin has more than 2 sides.”
    Yes it certainly does but the truth is usually somewhere in between. My take on all of this as an “outsider” is Stratford wreaks with the stench of political corruption. Anyone with any intellect can see what is going on here but frankly George my feeling is that there are many in town that are being duped, fed false information and then climb up on a soapbox to unknowingly serve these hidden political agendas. Unfortunately, if you are not more careful I fear you will keep being one of them.

  149. 149 1george1

    GEO: REX’s post is one of the more astute posts, E V E R, on this Blog.

    REX: My take on all of this as an “outsider” is Stratford wreaks with
    the stench of political corruption.
    Anyone with any intellect can see what is going on here
    but frankly George my feeling is that there are many in town
    that are being duped, fed false information

    GEO: Of course it is because it follows my positions for several years,
    that at every level people have been duped.
    Some get extra to go along.
    Many pay much much extra.

    —-

    REX: I fear you will “keep” being one of them.
    climb up on a soapbox to unknowingly
    serve these hidden political agendas.

    GEO: Excellent, excellent observation.
    I had zero choice, with NO WAY out,
    family + friends being murdered,
    and worthless police, FBI, Politicals’ appointed.

    In order to get at the puppet masters, one must explain how
    the puppets are being manipulated
    > UNION memberships were seduced
    > POLITICAL LEADERSHIPS consolidated power, were seduced
    > FEDERAL, STATE, and LOCAL government appointed / hired were seduced.
    > FEDERAL, STATE, and LOCAL politicos, were seduced
    > Big Oil, Big War, Big drug were taken over
    > Federal / State / Local contracts build the wealth, power, and the
    influence of the harnassed and destroy the competition.

    To REX – I have always included higher ups and outsiders when trying
    to explain stratford, and have used terms counter intuitive and logic
    contrary, attempting to explain what I see, hear, and experience.

    You, REX have picked up exactly the points I have been trying to convey
    > People manipulated
    > Outsiders dupe
    > Locals dupe
    > Political agendas – Hidden
    Personnel is policy: > Federalist 10 – control the leader and you control
    the followers / members.

    Military
    Bureaucracy
    Academic

    Parties
    Elected

    Corporate
    Arts & Sciences
    Private sector
    Elites

    Religeous
    Industrial
    Financial
    Fraternal/Sororal

    GEO – Last point REX, I believe you admitted in the past that you were
    involved in appointed (or elected) positions?
    > If so, while not getting direct remunification, doors get opened.
    > They never appoint people like me, UNLESS they have a hidden agenda!
    > They only appoint or nominate people they think they can use.

    If your family and friends were being “extremely discreetly” murdered
    and the appropriate authorities were BURTURLA-IZED …. (ie worthless)
    What would you have done differently than I, R E X?

  150. 150 1george1

    As disjointed as Paula was at the Town Council Meeting, Monday,
    she raised issues I raised in the past … so it is not just me ….

    I believe a pool was done that over 80 % of Americans believe the
    government planned or allowed 9/11?

    ( I may like science fiction, but have never advocated UFOs – yet believe
    the MUST be forms of LIFE around the UNIVERSE – MARCH 17 and maybe 18th
    are the only days people will see a lot of little GREEN MEN & women. )

    —-

    Several unlikely people have used the phrase MILITARY INDUSTRIAL Complex
    when describing the present situation … your know the term used by that
    Conspiracy NUT – DD Eisenhower – Pressident & Supreme Allied Commander!

    Several people NOW have used the term COUNTERINTUITIVE which is one
    of the PRIME TERMS for COUNTER INTELLIGENCE……

    My soap box, has been to open minds and open eyes ….
    realize International, Federal, State, Regional, & local people are not
    what they appear or portray themselves to be ….

    Yo REX … How many people get involved in local politics or even know
    what the Town Charter is, or its’ importance?
    They know more about Monica Lewinsky than Thomas Paine or John Jay,
    and more about Jerry Springer than Jefferson, Franklin, Adam Smith or
    Marx – and I was one of them until I was messed over….

    Believe me REX … IF, IF, IF I had not been fighting a PITCHED WAR against
    political people WARRING on me and my family for the last 70 years and I
    am 59 years old, I can think of many, many, many more enjoyable uses of
    my time, energy, and money ….

    There are cultures of human scum who thrive on schadenfreude and get
    psychic gratification from killing, hurting, stealing, lying, and cheating.
    And they exist in E V E R Y human culture, religeon, philosophy, ethnic
    or nationality and sex ….

  151. 151 1george1

    Correction: Poll not pool …

    America was born in violent revolution.
    I chose paths used by King, G-hand-I, MANdella, Aristotle, Plato,
    Socrates, Machiavelli, Eric Blair, Christ, Luther, and others,

    Historically virtually every government or movement gets taken over
    by people contrary to the interests of the people.

    As hateful as GhadafI is, the history of the FBI and US Government
    brutalizing citizens is NOT chaste ….

    Until my mid 30s, I was a content liberal conservative enjoying life.
    I have been radicalized.
    I chose paths more difficult than simply lashing out and destroying
    the latest “duped” PUPPET / TORMENTOR ….
    Silence didn’t work.
    Retreat didn’t work.
    Appeals within the system didn’t work.
    Attempting to get elected will NEVER work.

    Those who picked my family and planned the time table are long dead
    and I hope in HELL.

    Those who tortured my father a (minor) decorated WW II Combat vet
    are long dead and I hope in HELL.

    Some of those who tortured me and my coworkers are long dead and
    I hope in HELL.

    If there is no Heaven, nor HELL, they are WORM BAIT and worthless
    excuses of humanity for their cowardly participation in cruel and
    unusual torture of flawed but reasonably decent people, due to their
    perverse and galvanizing RITES and RITUALS, not practiced by other
    people who nominally were in similar cultural backgrounds …..

  152. 152 1george1

    GEORGE: Here is another shoe about to be dropped.
    Many of the “players” involved in steel point are also
    involved in AVCO SAEP, SIKORSKY AIRPORT, SHAKESPEAR
    and more ……

    So far the CAST PROGRAM has not been fully announced.
    However P R O J E C T this story on the certain LAW FIRMS
    and certain political leaders ….. (the house of cards)

    Note: “updated” does not mean “published”

    ———————– CT POST ——————-

    « Back to Article

    Fairfield Developer: Ganim corruption violated antitrust act
    Updated 03:34 p.m., Wednesday, March 16, 2011

    HARTFORD (AP) — The Connecticut Supreme Court on Tuesday
    heard the case of a real estate developer who claims he lost a
    $1 billion waterfront project in Bridgeport because of former
    Mayor Joseph Ganim’s corruption.

    (GEO > $ 1 Billion lost? How much is at stake?)

    Fairfield resident Alex Conroy alleges his company, Bridgeport
    Harbour Place I LLC, lost a contract with the city in 2001 to
    develop the Steel (steal) Point area, after he refused to pay
    bribes and kickbacks to Ganim and his associates.

    (GEO: Bribes & Kickbacks? Bridgeport? Shelton? Stratford?
    Faifield? Milford? Trumbull? the Valley?)

    He claims illegal activities by Ganim and others violated state
    antitrust laws by stifling competition for commercial development
    in the city.

    (GEO: stifling commercial, industrial, retail, & residential development
    happens in Bridgeport or Stratford? I am shocked, shocked I tell you!)

    The antitrust allegations are separate from similar claims, including
    fraudulent

    (GEO: If FRAUD is proven in a CIVIL SUIT ,,, isn’t that CRIMINAL too?)

    representation, involving Steel Point in another lawsuit in which
    Conroy was awarded $1.4 million from Ganim and others in 2008.

    (GEO > $ 1.4 M is not $ 1 B. But it aint pocket change …)
    (Where there is smoke and proven fire ….)

    But Conroy’s antitrust claims were dismissed for lack of evidence
    by a Superior Court judge, whose decision was upheld by the state
    Appellate Court.

    (GEO – I wonder who they were related to … or appointed by ?)

    Conroy appealed to the Supreme Court, saying his case should be
    heard by a jury. The justices didn’t immediately rule Tuesday.

    (GEO: Hmmmmm. Judges can be control. Juries can be packed.
    Yet, if it happens and is exposed … something hits the fan …!)

    “We may win or lose, but at least we should be heard,”
    Conroy said after the hearing.

    (GEO darned unreasonable?)

    Ganim, who served seven years in federal prison for corruption
    and was released last year, denies Conroy’s allegations.

    (GEO: What’s he gonna do? Confess? Volunteer to pay $ 1 B?
    He may even be innocent … )

    He also attended Tuesday’s court hearing.

    (GEO: If he had no concern, no need to attend, unless named as
    a defendent or has standing?)

    “Hopefully the judges will throw this out,” Ganim said.
    “They’re just grasping at straws on this.”

    (GEO: If I knew the other side was grasping, I think I would use a
    stronger word than hopefully?)

    Conroy’s lawyer, William Gallagher, told the Supreme Court that
    the corruption by Ganim and his associates was so pervasive
    that it shut out many companies from city contracts.

    (GEO: Reminds me of things I have heard from certain Stratford
    Businesses …)

    “Competition was completely stifled by this corrupt arrangement,”
    Gallagher said.

    (GEO: Hmmmmmm….)

    Conroy claimed Ganim had a bribes-and-kickbacks deal
    with developers Alfred Lenoci Sr. and Alfred Lenoci Jr.,
    who ran United Properties, and Ganim wanted to replace
    Conroy’s company with the Lenocis.
    The Lenocis were also convicted in the city’s
    corruption scandal
    and served prison time,
    and they’re also named in Conroy’s lawsuit.

    (GEO: Hmmmmmm….)

    FBI reports said the Lenocis promised kickbacks of $1 for every
    square foot they developed in Bridgeport.

    (GEO: I gotta ask Pete Sysmansky how many square feet in AVCO,
    and how many could there be if some building had 3 to 4 stories
    and others were up to 13 stories?)

    Conroy, who had plans for a retail, office and entertainment complex
    at the 50-acre Steel Point site, said he lost at least $5 million trying
    to develop the project, which remains stalled in the planning process
    involving another development company.

    (GEO: Hmmmmmm….)

    Conroy’s company was awarded development rights by the city and
    a deal was signed in 1998. Conroy claims that when he refused to
    take part in the corruption, the city forced unreasonable delays,
    demands and conditions on the company that forced Conroy’s
    three financing partners to withdraw.

    (GEO: Hmmmmmm…. I wonder why NO ONE BID on AVCO SAEP?)

    The city eventually terminated the contract in 2001 after Conroy’s
    company couldn’t meet its contractual obligations.

    (GEO: Hmmmmmm….)

    Jeffrey White, a lawyer for the city of Bridgeport,
    told the Supreme Court on Tuesday that
    Conroy has already had his day in court
    — a four-month trial on similar allegations
    that included 500 exhibits and dozens of witnesses
    and that resulted in the awards against Ganim and others.

    (GEO: Whose side is he on? Conroy won! Ganim lost! Ganim was
    Bridgeport’s mayor and leader of the single party government.)

    “They had their opportunity,” White said. ”
    They shouldn’t get a second chance to do it.”

    (GEO: Not the strongest or most compelling argument?)

    The Lenocis’ lawyer, Ira Grudberg, alleged
    that Conroy wasn’t satisfied with the previous verdicts.

    (GEO: DUH ….. ya think?)

    “Now they want to put a new coat on it and try it again,”
    Grudberg said.

    (GEO – It actually looks like they have not just a coat, but a
    whole wardrobe lined up, to enrich the lawyers and Conroy?
    Doesn’t Willinger and Bucci have dealings with both Bridgeport
    and Stratford, municipalities and/or BoE?
    Doesn’t Berchem, Moses, Devlin have dealings with both Bridgeport
    and Stratford, municipalities and/or BoE?

    (GEO: I wonder if Conroy’s lawyer, William Gallagher, has more capability
    and political clout than lawyers and interest named in the cases
    and that I wondered about?
    Fairfield’s John Sullivan, William Gallagher, Kevin O’Connor, Ron Reagan,
    Don Regan, William Casey, Wild Bild Sullivan, William Shea, John Moran Bailey,
    Jack Bailey, Barbarea Bailey Kinnelly, JFK – RFK – Joe / Ted Kennedy,
    Tip O’Neill, William O’Neill, Hugh Carey, Walker-Bush, W F Buckley,
    Dannel Malloy, Thomas Malloy
    – I wonder if the TAMMANY HALL IRISH MAFIA, have been waiting in da weeds?)

  153. 153 jezebel282

    From George:

    All of us have benefitted from the PAST.

    Some people were entrapped into many disadvantages.
    Some people were entrapped into advantages which shall become
    disadvantages.

    Most people are not directly involved.
    Everyone is directly affected!

    ================

    Apollo blessed and then cursed Cassandra.
    Andromedia, Sphinx, and Delphi penalized those who failed the riddles.

    ===== WIKIPEDIA =====

    Delphi became the site of a major temple to Phoebus Apollo,
    as well as the Pythian Games and the famous prehistoric oracle.
    Even in Roman times, hundreds of votive statues remained,
    described by Pliny the Younger and seen by Pausanias.
    Supposedly carved into the temple were three phrases:
    γνῶθι σεαυτόν (gnōthi seautón = “know thyself”)
    and μηδέν άγαν (mēdén ágan = “nothing in excess”),
    and Ἑγγύα πάρα δ’ἄτη (engýa pára d’atē =
    “make a pledge and mischief is nigh”),[10] as well as a large letter

    E. Among other things epsilon signifies the number 5.
    (GEO: Number Letter substitution code)

    ====

    Andromeda was a princess from Greek mythology who,
    as divine punishment for her mother’s bragging,
    (the Boast of Cassiopeia)
    was chained to a rock as a sacrifice to a sea monster.

    (CLASH of the TITANS)
    Andromeda’s suitors must now answer a riddle of Calibos’s
    choosing before they can marry the princess.
    Success = Marriage to princess Andromedia and a Kingdom.
    Failure = Death

    =====

    The Riddle of the Sphinx

    In Greek mythology, the Sphinx sat outside of Thebes and
    asked this riddle of all travelers who passed by.
    If the traveler failed to solve the riddle,
    then the Sphinx killed him/her.
    And if the traveler answered the riddle correctly,
    then the Sphinx would destroy herself. The riddle:

    What goes on four legs in the morning,
    on two legs at noon,
    and on three legs in the evening?

    Oedipus solved the riddle, and the Sphinx destroyed herself.

    =========

    In Greek mythology, Cassandra was the daughter of King Priam and
    Queen Hecuba of Troy.
    Her beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy.
    In an alternative version, she spent a night at Apollo’s temple,
    at which time the temple snakes licked her ears clean so that
    she was able to hear the future.

    However, when she did not return his love,
    Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one
    would ever believe her predictions.

    =========

    The Gordian Knot is a legend of Phrygian Gordium associated with
    Alexander the Great. It is often used as a metaphor for an intractable
    problem solved by a bold stroke (“cutting the Gordian knot”):

    “Turn him to any cause of policy,
    The Gordian Knot of it he will unloose,
    Familiar as his garter”
    (Shakespeare, Henry V, Act 1 Scene 1. 45–47)

    Alexander the Great attempted to untie the knot.
    When he could not find the end to the knot to unbind it,
    he sliced it in half with a stroke of his sword,
    producing the required ends (the so-called “Alexandrian solution”).

  154. 154 jezebel282

    From George:

    The Muses in Greek mythology, poetry, and literature are the
    goddesses who inspire the creation of literature and the arts.
    They were considered the source of the knowledge, related
    orally for centuries in the ancient culture,
    that was contained in poetic lyrics and myths

    Emblems of the Muses

    Muse ———- Domain ————– Emblem

    Calliope —– Epic poetry —— Writing tablet

    Clio ———- History ————– Scrolls

    Erato ——– Love poetry ——- Cithara
    (an ancient Greek musical instrument in the lyre family)

    Euterpe —– Lyric – Poetry —- Aulos
    (an ancient Greek musical instrument like a flute)

    Melpomene – Tragedy ———– Tragic mask

    Polyhymnia — Sacred poetry — Veil

    Terpsichore – Choral Dance and song —- Lyre

    Thalia ———- Comedy ———– Comic mask

    Urania ——— Astronomy ——– Globe and compass

    MUSES or MOSES

    Clio or Cleo pa t ra

    Greek mousa is a common noun as well as a type of goddess:
    it literally means “song” or “poem”.

    mo usa

  155. 155 1george1

    According to the CT POST former USPS Sectional Center
    Post Master Ralph Depanfilis’s wife died March 17, 2011.

    That is ST PATRICK’S DAY.

    Could it be someone was sending some people a message?
    Depanfilis son a lawyer, spied on me while th people his
    dad transferred ruined my life & career and those of other
    in the Southport USPS.

    Behind the scenes there are some people doing things to
    each other’s henchmen …. and their families, as well as to
    INNOCENTS.

    ZERO I can do to affect any of them.
    They work at their own whim.
    Local, State, and Federal Police are less than worthless.
    Some are part of the problem

  156. 156 jezebel282

    Raise your hand if your taxes went down this year.

    GE’s corporate tax bill: Zero

    The company didn’t pay any US taxes in 2010. In fact, it got a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. The company has beaten Uncle Sam. It paid no U.S. taxes for 2010, The New York Times reported. In fact, it received a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.

    It’s not that GE can claim poverty. The company rang up $14.2 billion in profits last year, including $5.1 billion from U.S. operations.

    How did GE do it? Through what the Times describes as “innovative accounting” and fierce lobbying, GE has been cutting its tax bill for years. In a stroke of genius, it hired a former Treasury official to lead its tax department and filled its team with former IRS employees and Congressional tax specialists.

    The top corporate tax rate is supposed to be 35% — one of the highest in the world. But few companies actually pay that rate, since there are myriad loopholes and other ways to get breaks. Now, the Times reports, only 6.6% of Uncle Sam’s tax revenue comes from corporations (down from 30% in the 1950s).
    http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=d715c70d-f0d0-4474-8223-2949588e90f6

  157. 157 1george1

    BONGO – NOW U KNOW Y neutron jack was such a GENIUS.

    One of his predecessors BOUGHT + PAID for RON REAGAN.

    Remember 20 M U L E Team (army Mule) Borax and the GE Theater
    hosted by RON REAGAN,
    former president of the Screen Actors Guild
    and FBI paid INFORMANT?

    —-

    FYI – Neutron Jack retired early Sept 2011, just before 9/11.

    Notice how he disappeared from actually helping any one?

  158. 158 jezebel282

    George,

    Can you get any more of a flagrant example of corporate welfare than this? Did Exxon file yet?

    A 3.2 Billion refund? I don’t want to hear about cutting Headstart anymore and how it is bad for the country. I wonder if Portia knows how much of that $3.2 BILLION went to GE’s eleemosynary efforts?

  159. 159 portia1776

    Jez,

    PORTIA:“‘No, I want individuals to depend primarily on the kindness of themselves.’”
    JEZ: “And those who cannot?”

    –– Just out of curiosity, how many do you think cannot? You usually write as if everyone, or at least a sizable portion of the population, is irredeemably incapable. The root fallacy of your feelings-based approach to policy is cogently summarized by my Objectivist comrade: “If people are not rational or responsible enough to govern their own lives than how are they rational or responsible enough to govern the lives of others?”

    By virtue of office, politicians and bureaucrats and “experts” do not become more virtuous and less fallible than their fellow humans – though your position of evermore government intervention is dependent on such an unfounded belief.

    While it is perhaps a physic balm to think of government as a “mystical entity with a nature and a history all its own,” H.L. Mencken rightly lampooned this article faith for statists and collectivists, planners and centralizers, “Progressives,” socialists, corporatists, state “capitalists,” and other public monopolists.

    To them, and your ideology is clearly in that milieu, government “constitutes… a creature somehow interposed between themselves and the great flow of cosmic events, and they look to it to think for them and to protect them. In democratic countries it is theoretically their agent, but there seems to be a strong tendency to convert the presumably free citizen into its agent, or at all events, its client. This exalted view of its scope, character, powers and autonomy is fundamentally false. A government at bottom is nothing more than a group of men, and as a practical matter most of them are inferior men [Portia’s examples: Jimmy Miron, Jimmy Carter, George W. Bush, Dick Miron, Dick Nixon, Barack Obama]…. Yet these nonentities, by the intellectual laziness of men in general, have come to a degree of puissance in the world that is unchallenged by that of any other group. Their fiats, however preposterous, are generally obeyed as a matter of duty, they are assumed to have a kind of wisdom that is superior to ordinary wisdom, and the lives of multitudes are willingly sacrificed in their interest (quotation from Mencken’s Minority Report via Prof. Don Boudreaux).”

    Laissez-faire (i.e., voluntary exchange between free individuals in the free market) only requires recognition of individual liberty. To speak of human fallibility does not, then, provide justification for government intervention to subvert the inherent and inalienable rights of individuals. The “Progressive” narrative reduces adults to enfeebled children cast at the mercy of government, which is like “a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness…. what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?”

    Alexis de Tocqueville, who wrote those lines, was, of course, overly confident that government was capable of creating “happiness” even of a kind of its own definition. How many are “happy” to receive welfare or Social Security or unemployment? How truly “happy” are public employees, who seldom have the opportunity to be paid based on their merit? What Edmund Burke wrote on this matter remains true: those habituated to dependence on government are continually unhappy and readily “bite the hand that fed them.”

    “I have not refused.” – Thank you, I stand partially corrected. Should I also take it that you are joining me in endorsing Prof. Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda? If not, why not?

    “I am simply waiting for you to drop the rhetoric on those topics (Statist, illegal, etc.) to have that discussion.”

    — Since when is “rhetoric” a bad word? Or “ideology,” for that matter. Of course, ideology, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. But all ideologies are not created equal. Some are inherently good (individualism, lassiez faire, classical liberalism) and some are inherently bad or even evil (collectivism by any other name: socialism, fascism, planning, “Progressivism”).

    It seems to me absolutely necessary to discriminate between right and wrong, good and bad, truth and falsehood. Why are people of a certain persuasion so ashamed of their ideology as to claim that they don’t have one? Do they not realize that such protestations of “pragmatism” ring false when everything they write is an unconscious plagiarism of the Communist Manifesto (“a heavy progressive or graduated income tax”) and/or the North Korean constitution (“The State shall consolidate and develop the system of universal free medical service”)? I don’t begrudge their embarrassment. When, as Chris, you believe in that which is indefensible, such sentiment is a natural reaction. All I ask for is a little intellectual honesty. Even those who disagree with me cannot say that I have dodged a single challenge. If you don’t know where I stand on an issue, either re-read what has been written or ask away.

    “A means test would be a great idea. So would ending the exemption on pay over $110,000/year. That would be fair.” – A good start. Glad we agree. Now, how about allowing individuals to opt-out of Social Security and Medicare? We can call this the “rugged individualist” option.

    “Beats me.” – The majority of politicians in both parties disagree with you and I on spending cuts, defense and otherwise, because they do not consider it in their electoral interest to bring home less bacon to the district and therefore rake in fewer campaign contributions from those whose ill-gotten gains are dependent upon government subsidies, tariffs, and regulations.

    “You’re kidding, right?” – I know you meant this rhetorically, but, come on. Why must all Americans be forced into one-size-fits-all Obamacare in order to supposedly help those who are uninsured or uninsurable under existing public and private arrangements? There is no good moral or economic rationale for government nationalization and centralization of health insurance and care for every American to “help” at most less than 10% of the population. In fact, 100% of the population would suffer under a “single payer” scheme.

    PORTIA: “‘the constitution of North Korean gives the Big Brother State he rules total command-and-control over every aspect of his slaves lives.’
    JEZ: No, my friend, it is the bullets in his soldier’s guns that gives him the authority.”

    — A fan of Mao, are we? (Just kidding). Mao does say, in his Red Book, that every communist should appreciate that “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” (i.e., violent force is necessary to keep the slaves, I mean “citizens,” of the socialist slave state in their place below the Dear Leader). It is, however, foolish to claim that weapons create political power. You’re conveniently leaving out the people who wield those weapons and why they do so.

    In the first place, revolutionaries take up arms for a reason. If the revolution is successful, soldiers forever thereafter serve as its guardians, whether out of genuine ideological devotion, opportunism, or fear. “[F]ighting loses its meaning,” said Mao, if it does not serve the purposes of the revolution, specifically “to conduct propaganda” and community organizing “among the masses.” Similarly, the constitution reflects the values of the revolution. In North Korea, those values are the totalitarianism of the Big Brother state. In America, those values are the liberalism of the constitutionally limited federal government.

    “This is not a simple question to be answered by how much money has been spent.” – Right, it is a question of whether the taxpayer’s money – $1.8 trillion to be precise – had the positive impact the national DOE was explicitly established to accomplish. Judged by its own metrics, the answer is “no,” the national DOE is a boondoggle and should be disbanded immediately, before it wastes any more of our money.

    “The only coercion the DOE has over 16,000 districts is ‘if you want our money then…’” – You assume the educrats at the DOE know the “one best way” for every child. They don’t. And it doesn’t even exist on account of human diversity, i.e., every child is unequal, they have unique capabilities and characteristics. Pedagogy should reflect that reality. For much too long American education has been on the “Progressive” Prussian model that denies the individuality of teachers and students. Again, the result speaks for itself: $1.8 trillion dollars for inferior educational quality in the majority of government monopoly schools.

    San Francisco Gate columnist Debra Saunders has an excellent article on the difference between a DOE-approved educrat and an educator (here are a few choice sentences):

    “…educrats believe in process — as opposed to educators, who believe in results….

    Educrats care if children feel good about reading. Educators care if children can read….

    Educrats say they want children to think for themselves, then make them work in groups….

    Educrats… sex up science class with dire warnings on the evils of global warming… [Protia: Educators teach science.]

    Educrats believe social studies should make children feel good about themselves. Educators use social studies to move students beyond their parochial lives.

    Educrats say public schools should teach ‘values,’ then write ‘values’ curricula that preach that values are relative….

    Educrats think a class is doing well if the students are performing at the same level. Educators want better students to do their best (http://articles.sfgate.com/1998-01-04/opinion/17711094_1_educators-education-world-math-and-science ).”

  160. 160 portia1776

    Jez,

    Great article in the NYT. Coincidentally, John Stossel’s column, “End Corporate Welfare: Stop giving handouts to big business,” is also about GE’s rent-seeking with the Obama Administration.

    Stossel write in Reason: “In America today, the biggest recipients of handouts are not poor people. They’re corporations.

    General Electric CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt is super-close to President Obama. The president named Immelt chairman of his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Before that, Immelt was on Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. He’s a regular companion when Obama travels abroad to hawk American exports. (Why does business need government to do that?)

    ‘Jeff Immelt is perhaps the CEO who is most cozy with President Obama,’ says journalist Tim Carney. ‘General Electric is structuring their business around where government is going … high-speed rail, solar, wind. GE is lining up to get what government is handing out.’

    Businesses love to have government as their partner. There’s safety in it. Why take chances in a marketplace full of fickle consumers and investors, when you can get secure money and favors from the taxpayers? It’s an old story, and free-market advocates as far back as Adam Smith warned against it. Unfortunately, too many people think “free market” means pro-business. It doesn’t. Free market means laissez faire—prohibit force and fraud, but otherwise leave the marketplace alone. No subsidies, no privileges, no arbitrary regulations. Competition is the most effective regulator.

    Left-wingers criticize corporate welfare until it’s for something they like—for example, ‘green technology.'” Continue reading: http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/24/end-corporate-welfare

  161. 161 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Zero tax for GE. What’s wrong with this picture? Ambrosia Bakery pays more tax than GE?
    (I’m not even going to mention Kenneth Lay’s (Enron) relationship with the Bush’s)

  162. 162 1george1

    GE is typical of ROBBER BARON Economics.

    Congress gave away land to Railroads, who used West Point
    graduates to do the Engineering.
    Most West Point students were appointed by Senator or
    Congress man from certain groups of politically connected
    families.

    MILITARY = ACADEMY APPOINTEES
    INDUSTRIAL = Politically connected/wealthy
    CONGRESSIONAL = self evident & perpetuating
    COMPLEX = Simple Cell unenlightened in a combine

  163. 163 1george1

    PORTIA – A challenge to you,
    to enable people to respond to your challenges.

    1) Any issue – no more than 10 sentences to make each challenge.

    2) Find a different blog sting. Do # 1

    3) Keep going to different blog stings using format # 1

    You could post 100 different subjects in 10 sentences or less
    on simple, not compound issues ….
    The issues themselves might be multilateral or complex, but
    the focus allowed by only 10 sentances, might allow for people
    to be able to answer. Note this was sentence #10

  164. 164 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “PORTIA – A challenge to you,
    to enable people to respond to your challenges.”

    Advice: Do NOT take a blog tutorial from George. You’re doing just fine as it is.

  165. 165 1george1

    Published in the Manchester Journal Inquirer, which might
    help as an idea the right people counld implement, now that
    there has been Japanese repair workers affected by Radiation ….

    Japan’s Reactors,’ proactor suggestions:

    I have suggestions to help shutting down Japan’s crippled reactors,
    to save lives.

    Radiation kills people. Technology allows for creation of self propelled
    robotics with various tools

    designed to solve different problems. D.A.R.P.A., Army Corp of Engineers,
    NASA, NAVY, Caterpillar, and robotics companies, should be able to
    customize equipment, expeditiously.

    Caterpillar makes “industrial chassis’ which can be the “mobility bases
    to get repair tools and equipment where needed, with remote control,
    and (initially) clear out debris.”

    No people need to be exposed to danger. Lead shields can protect
    radiation effects.

    Getting water on the reactor rods is priority #1.

    Robotic forms of several “pumper Fire Trucks” can bring water to the
    reactors to refill them, yet need some hydraulic and electro-magnetic
    tools to move hoses into place!

    #2 priority: Pumps need to be decoupled, then detached, then lifted
    and taken off their workstations, before being replaced. These would
    require a series of “mobile robots,” including heavy duty flatbeds “with
    cranes and hoists” to pick up and move out the detached, and move in,
    pick up, and carefully place water pumps where needed!

    Drones with high resolution camera could be used to assist directing the
    repair process.

    Robotic arms, on “mobile platforms” with “arms, ratchets, and wrenches”
    should be capable to detach and attach water pumps as needed.

    I’m sure these ideas can be improved upon. Many lives are at stake. If this concept works, it’s worth suggesting, and for future backups?

    God Bless! Good luck!

  166. 166 1george1

    Published in the Stratford Star

    Systemic sabotage, unsustainable, witting and/or unwitting:

    My opinion: Democratic and Republican parties need to
    “bribe/sucker” Rank Teachers, Police, Fire,
    Military, Bureaucratic, other Government workers,
    Wealthy Private front-men, Corporate, Bureaucratic,
    “managements and workers” to create 3 class system like
    Orwell’s Inner and Outer Parties, and P-roles,.

    (Thank you Paula Gabriel)

    “Effectually analogous” to “unwitting and witting:”
    Roman Empires Praetorians;
    European Colonial courtiers-courtesans;
    Nazi quislings;
    Russian/Chinese Warlord-Communist: Apparatchik/Nomenklatura;
    and Mafia: Soldiers/Capo/Consigliere?

    Locally: lower, middle, and upper income (Tax Payers) are besieged
    by elites’ Taxes and Grand Theft!
    (Like: Oil/Gas, Utilities, Credit Cards, Housing, Underemployment, etc.)

    Stratford holds “show” Budget Workshops for Education and Government
    with mutually convenient, deniability, rationalizations, and justifications.

    Formats: Stratford Education and Towns managements “present” to Council,
    press, and public.

    Different Meetings: Public gets 3-5 minutes/month to “present.”

    Where are interactivities and responsive representative governments?

    See Salary and Wage Schedule on proposed Budgets:
    Comparative totals on proposed BoE and Town Budgets:
    Salaries $ 68,936,144.00 and
    Benefits $ 53,078,113.00 (79%)

    $67,750 is upper 25% of Americans’ earnings.

    Locally Education, Town Management, and many senior workers’
    W-2s AND 1099s incomes are over $67,750,
    paid by hard-pressed Tax Payers.

    Plus Stratford political committees’ surrogates give:
    “effectually free Health care;”
    “Pensions from 60% to 130% of Base Pay;”
    “and some Annuities and Expenses.”

    Whatever workers get, management has to get superior packages!

    Whatever managements’ get, wouldn’t political party leaders-lawyers
    get their piece of the Public Pie?

    Are all of these true union workers?
    Or are many relatives and supporters of Town, State, and Federal
    political committees, law firms, etc.

    “Government/party people and we, are all loyal/patriot Americans,
    yet being manipulated towards:”

    *Despotic Empire, away from true, representative, Democratic Republic?

    *Effectual slavery of: “retirement theft/impairment, debt,
    joblessness, underemployment, homelessness,
    drugs-alcohol, and fodder;”

    “from EQUAL: Justice, Opportunity, Freedom, and Liberty?”

    (YO Paula Gabriel and whoever put her up to public forums,
    this is for you!)

    GOOGLE: Wikipedia “David Rockefeller” or
    “Standard Oil Trust” to find
    “all elements of conspiracy theory and robber barons,”
    domestically and world wide.

    Define: “Overlord!”

    (Code name for WW II D-DAY: Operation OVERLORD)

    Eisenhower (Translated: Iron Craftsman) warned about:

    Unwarranted influence by: Military, Industrial, (Political) Complex.
    Control Public Opinion by: Scientific Technological Elite.

    JFK, MLK, RFK!

    LBJ and McNamara: SO. VIETnam!

    Clean Energy, Watergate is on “Mill house” (Rich “Milhaus” Nixon).

    Frank Church Senate Committee exposed Internal Securities’
    “family jewels”
    and
    “CoIntel.”

    Was United States Government (hostile) taken over by unelected
    President Ford/Vice President Rockefellers’
    Standard Oil Trust,
    (U.N. Buildings’ land was a gift from Rockefellers’)
    (UNIVERSITY CHIC-AGO = Manhattan Project // Rockefeller Univ)
    (Rockefeller DRUG LAWS)
    and Trilateral Commission’s allies?
    (Bilderberg + Council on Foreigh Affairs)

    Rockefeller partners or copycats?:

    Harriman,
    George Pratt (+Whitney) Schultz;
    Bush(s),
    Cheney,
    Rumsfeldt,
    Clintons(s),
    etc.

    Consolidate control, buying federal, state, and local levels political bosses “manipulating/controlling the American System”
    using ex-Mafia Cash Cows:
    Drugs, Alcohol, Wall Street, Industry, Oil, & War?
    (Untouchables? Kleptocracy!)

    *Orwell’s 1984: “I betrayed you,” she said baldly.
    “I betrayed you,” he said.

    “Sometimes,” she said,
    “they threaten you with something—something you can’t stand up to,
    can’t even think about.
    And then you say,
    ‘Don’t do it to me,
    do it to somebody else,
    do it to so-and-so.’

    *Perverse, cowardly “Book of Job” reification?

    (An antimasonry – anti-Judeo/Catholic/Christian – sick society)

    *Ben Franklyn:
    “We must all hang together,
    or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

    “Founding Fathers gave us,”
    “a Republic, if you can keep it.”


    Some of the bloggers and some readers will not understand the above.
    There are others who know the truth.

  167. 167 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Continuing the conversation:

    “–– Just out of curiosity, how many do you think cannot?”
    Since 2007 about 19% of the working population.

    “irredeemably incapable.”
    I would not use that phrase. “Unable” might be more appropriate. If this were, say, 10 years ago when unemployment in CT was <2%, your position might make actual sense. But to say that it is totally up to the individual, given what we have actually experienced is naive. Not everyone is capable of developing that unique idea that will turn them into overnight millionaires. That is only a fantasy…like winning the Lotto. The odds are astronomical, but somebody eventually wins. You don't bet the mortgage money on it.

    "By virtue of office, politicians and bureaucrats and “experts” do not become more virtuous and less fallible than their fellow humans"
    Neither do share shareholders, Directors, CEO's or COO's.

    "Laissez-faire (i.e., voluntary exchange between free individuals in the free market) only requires recognition of individual liberty."
    Hardly. Really, you need to engage in some commercial activity. Lying, cheating, stealing and fraud are just as pervasive in the free market as any other human endeavor. To paraphrase PT Barnum, there's one born every minute and two to take him. Have you ever heard of Lakeview Monument?

    "Since when is “rhetoric” a bad word? "
    Perhaps I should have said "labelling"?

    "How truly “happy” are public employees, who seldom have the opportunity to be paid based on their merit?"
    I don't know all public employees. The ones I do know, are proud of their work (as they should be) and their contribution to the Town. Perhaps you've read some of the topics I've written about Stratford EMS?

    "All I ask for is a little intellectual honesty."
    As one gains experience (OK, Fine! "Gets older".), one realizes that there is more under the sun than ideology. At least in my own experience (Fine! "Age"), I have found that ideology usually obscures reality. I believe Americans are coming to realize that ideology doesn't matter…what works matters. Both political parties have lost contact with reality long ago and no longer capable of representing the American will. This is even more apparent right here in Stratford. Neither political entity (the RTC or DTC) has any intention at all of representing constituents.
    We see it in other places too. Wisconsin is an example. Governor Scott said it in as plain a language as you can imagine. His stated goal is to eviscerate the unions. If he can disband them…even better. But who will fill that power vacuum? Governor Scott, of course. And who is attempting that right here? Ron Ing and John Harkins.

    "Now, how about allowing individuals to opt-out of Social Security and Medicare?"
    You mean after they turn 65 and decline to receive benefits? Absolutely I agree.

    "There is no good moral or economic rationale for government nationalization and centralization of health insurance and care for every American to “help” at most less than 10% of the population. In fact, 100% of the population would suffer under a “single payer” scheme."
    Sigh…yes, you've written that before. It doesn't make it any more true this time. I know you will start Googling single instances right now, but I haven't read of Canadians, Brits, Germans, French or Swedes dropping like flies under a single payer system.

    "You’re conveniently leaving out the people who wield those weapons and why they do so."
    In my opinion, since I honestly don't know any North Koreans, I would say because it is steady work and they can feed and house their families as opposed to starving.

    "You assume the educrats at the DOE know the “one best way” for every child. They don’t."
    I certainly do not assume that. What I said was that every school district has the choice to accept the money (and unfunded mandates that come with it) or not. In a district made up of Laissez-faire ideologues, I would assume they would turn down every penny of it. You would, wouldn't you?

    The problem I have with your Darwinistic approach to life is that, in the animal kingdom, Darwinism is not an option. Animals have minimal success in overcoming the laws of survival. Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I would like to believe that, as a species, humans can do better. Maybe not. Maybe you're right. But I hope not.

  168. 168 1george1

    What is it about the rumor?
    The justice league is coming to Town Hall?

    Are unidentified objects, just over the horizon?

  169. 169 1george1

    Despite ideological differences, PORTIA, JEZE, and I have commonalities:
    We do not like people who abuse people and abuse positions.

    Both PORTIA and JEZE support specific ideologies, passionately.

  170. 170 jezebel282

    George,

    “Both PORTIA and JEZE support specific ideologies, passionately.”

    I am sure, well at least confident, that Portia and I share a great many ideas in common. Portia tends to be a bit more absolutist than I do.

    However, these discussions are what I believe blogs should be about: an open discussion of opinions and positions. If we had more of these, especially in Stratford, we might even reach the goal of consensus.

  171. 171 1george1

    Jeze,

    Within the first year of your blogship, did you ever visualize
    you would wind up agreeing with me on multiple things, such
    as the Harkins + RTC, and other issues.

    Fiscally and certain other ways, I prefer (real) conservative ideology,
    with a mixture of certain (real) liberal preferences.
    Socially I lean to (real) liberal preferences with a mixture of certain
    (real) conservative ideology.

    Much of what passes today for conservative or liberal ideology and
    Democrat and Republican positions are garbage.

    I suspect you, Portia, and others might agree with that one line?

  172. 172 jezebel282

    George,

    “did you ever visualize you would wind up agreeing with me on multiple things”

    I am not a disagreeable person. I am willing to listen to anyone express themselves. Nobody gets deleted here unless they break the rules by using profanity or attacking private citizens.

    When you stay on planet Earth, I usually don’t disagree with you. Although you do tend to give more credit to ex Mayor Moron than he deserves. Sometimes a sociopath may do the right thing by accident.

  173. 173 mikereynolds

    On another note….

    Congratulations to Matt Catalano and our own Ron Moreau for being elected to the RTC in the 3rd District.

  174. 174 jezebel282

    From George:

    Ministry of Truth?
    DOUBLETHINK
    Thought Police
    Prolefeed
    Big Brother
    ANIMAL FARM
    Democratic Socialism?
    Dystopian

    In today’s Anglo USA, are we an Orwellian reification:
    Department of Defense? (Have gun … will travel)
    Justice Department? (Lawyers without ethics)
    F.I.B. …. ooops I meant F.B. I.
    Fatherland … oooops I mean …. Homeland Security?
    (I keep getting those names mixed up)
    Central (casting) Intelligence (mensamorons) Agency
    State Police (Fascism)
    Congress against Progress
    Education: Principals without Principles
    Dishonorable Judges
    Contemptible counts
    Constitution for intellectual Prostitution
    President of VICE
    Rule of Law – HAM MU RABBI Code
    BLACK STONE or PALE STEIN
    Hiroglypics or HIRE UGLY PICtures
    Thief crucified with CHRIST – > Barabbis or in Yales speak BA RABBIs
    Lebanon or NON ABLE
    Israel (British anagram = e liars)
    Ireland or IRE LAND
    Deutsch Germany or ANY GERM
    US & US SR
    Saudi > u said
    Spain or “S” PAIN
    Capitalism of capITALYsm

    NO OFFENSE MEANT AGAINST ANY GROUP, however when the British
    Crown live in castle named from GEORGE VILLIERS BUCKINGHAM
    There seem to be a trend seeing “EVIL LIERS” from his middle name?

  175. 175 1george1

    Who really runs M U R D E R INC?

  176. 176 1george1

    Tonight at LBW meeting, I gave Harkins a compliment

  177. 177 1george1

    JEZE: Sometimes a sociopath may do the right thing by accident.

    HITLER created the AUTOBAN HIGHWAY SYSTEM, modeled on the
    Roman Empire, to allow his Military to move faster.
    EISENHOWER’S people copied the concept with the Interstate.

    MUSSOLINI made the TRAINS run on time.

    I suspect, despite your feelings about our ex-Mayor …
    You would not put him in their category?

  178. 178 1george1

    Jeze,

    For Mayor, I had about 50 left over signs.
    Dom had 1000 signs.
    I understand Jim + John had 1200 signs.

    EVERY PLACE I had a sign 2 years before,
    Dom arranged for placing his there.

    I put up about 55 signs the Sunday before the election.
    I picked about 20 signs, election night

    I spent under $ 500 .

    I know you posted Jim’s financials.
    I have no idea where to find those?

    I am curious if you could POST:
    1 – FInancials of each Mayor candidate (I didn’t have to file = under $ 1k)
    2 – RTC members
    3 – DTC members

    Aren’t those supposed to be public record?

  179. 179 ronmoreau

    George,

    RTC member list is on the RTC website? The link is on this page?

  180. 180 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “RTC member list is on the RTC website? ”

    Ooops. My apologies. The “Under Construction” on the RTC homepage threw me.

    The DTC website is just down period. I think it has been down since Miron lost to Harkins. Not that I blame them, I’d be embarrassed too if my name was associated with them.

  181. 181 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    It’s a shame. There are alot of good honest Democrats in town. If only they were allowed to participate.

  182. 182 ronmoreau

    I guess it’s their own fault. If the 10,000+ registered Democrats showed up in force at DTC elections next January. The makeup of the committee could be quite different.

  183. 183 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “There are alot of good honest Democrats in town.”

    I have been a registered Democrat for 38 years (surprised, Portia?). There is nothing about the DTC that remotely resembles the Democratic Party.
    The DTC is merely a Miron/Buturla fan club.

    And before you smile…the RTC is not that much better. Just switch the names from Miron/Buturla to Aldrich/Kelly.

  184. 184 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    In the interest of equal time. If the 7,000+ Republicans showed up in force at town committe elections next January the makeup of the RTC could be quite different as well.

  185. 185 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “the RTC could be quite different as well.”

    Which is exactly why neither the RTC nor the DTC do anything at all to attract new members. Citizens are confronted with forcing their way into these gangs.

  186. 186 1george1

    I applaud and agree 100 % with the sentiments of RON + JEZE
    between my posts (this)

    Wouldn’t it be nice if a bunch of good D + R appealed to the
    1 – Registered party members to do exactly the above.
    2 – General public to join a political party and kick out a+b or x+y?
    3 – General public to run for TC + BOE + ZONING with a platform to
    again open the TOWN CHARTER with specific changes:
    A – Town Attorney set fees or like shelton corp counsel with accountability
    B – Guarentee Public Right to Petition + Referendum + Legislate
    C – Absolute Term Limits
    D – Recall
    E – Town + BoE Budget approval / denial
    F – Contract ratification / denial
    G – Increased Transparency on BID / CHANGE ORDERS making ALL MONEY
    RELATED meetings / commissions televised. Also more info on web related
    to Defined Benefit + Health care + Annuity / other SPECIFICS.
    H. Mandated 2 to 4 District Meetings per year of Councilor + BoE w Public
    I. Manadate 2 to 4 Mayor meetings per month with constituents
    J. Blog for interactive Q & A, especially related to requests for INFO
    K. Mandate all Attorney records within Town Hall protection
    L. Manadate all Town Hall records / documents stored and backed up
    unlike HR having to ask unions for contracts & documents ….

    There are more.

    I expect Mr. Fahan to post I am nagging about the disgraceful Charter
    Revision Committees who did the political parties dirty work.

    My advance retort. I feel transparency may lead to honest government,
    which is something I do not believe many places in the USA has. Nor do
    I believe Stratford has had since at least before the 1970s.

  187. 187 jezebel282
  188. 188 ronmoreau

    Jez,

    LOL.

    If want the results of your poll right now. Look at the registered voter demographics in Stratford. You will find more unaffiliated voters. Which pretty much falls into your third catagory.

  189. 189 jezebel282

    From George:

    The Defined BENEFIT police contract is to allow everyone hired
    before 1996 and who retired subsequently, to get the PAYOLA.

    Harkins was selected by the same Town Committee members who
    worked with Dick Miron, Tony Ross, Ray Voccola, Florek, Proto
    and all the rest who have their eyes on AVCO.

    Harkins had Mirons’:
    Town Attorney Firms
    Police Chief
    Fire Chief
    Public Works Director
    Town Clerk
    Finance Person

    The Republicans controlled the Town Council / Board of Ed for the
    last 25 years, except a couple years they needed deniability.

    While I like RON and believe PHIN honestly wants the BEST for Stratford,
    I can not believe ANYONE does not recognize that Harkins is a polished
    version of Jim Miron, and works with E X A C T L Y the same people!

    They needed to run down Stratford to cause the need for Government
    form change and Economic degeneration, BRIBING POLICE to let them
    MURDER and STEAL without worry about investigations because the people
    like MURRAY and MCNIEL will tell you it is UNFAIR to THEM for THEM to have
    put into PENSIONS believing they would get their POT OF GOLD (my words).

    Conversely, Harkins, Murray, and McNeil all know e x a c t l y what type of
    people are ranking Republicans and Democrats …

    What about what is FAIR to the TAX PAYERS they are allowing to be ripped
    off?

    ===

    PHIN + RON – Forget and ISSUE of FAIRNESS.

    I DARE any blogger to explain to me how this is FAIR and SUSTAINABLE,
    using the HIGHEST PENSION as an example.

    $ 134,525.28 ANNUAL PENSION
    .$ 84,850.00 BASE PAY

    $ 49,675.28 HIGHER PENSION than highest ever BASE PAY

    Retired with 27 years Jan 2008
    Hired May 1980 – His likely BASE PAY was under $ 20,000 annually

    Most of his PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS came his last 2 years.

    $ 140,107.79 LIFETIME PENSION CONTRIBUTION
    $ 44,438.94 CASH OUT = Money paid upon retirement for Vacation, Sick,
    Holiday, & Uniform allowance.

    Then it was ADDED to his PENSION COMPUTATION

    Subtract $ 44,438.94 from $ 140,107.79 =
    $ 95,668.85 NET lifetime paid into pension

    $ 1,345,252,80 PENSION paid after 10 years of $ 134,525.28 ANNUAL PENSION

    $ 95,668.85 NET lifetime paid into pension = still

    $ 2,690,505,600 PENSION paid after 20 years of $ 134,000 pension

    $ 95,668.85 NET lifetime paid into pension

    $ 4,000,000 PENSION paid after 30 years of $ 134,000 pension

    $ 95,668.85 NET lifetime paid into pension

    I hate to write it, and I know their allies read it, but McNeil, Murray,
    and Harkins are very much part of the problem and cover for people
    I believe murdered my family, “nearly as much” as Mirons / Burturlas /
    Kellys / Florek / Proto / US Attorneys > Twardy, Droney, Dooley,
    O’Connor and the whole group of FBI / STATE POLICE – PROSECUTORS,
    and various JUDGES and ELECTED OFFICIALS, who are all SKANKS and
    soulless courtesans.

  190. 190 jezebel282

    From George:

    Definitions of politician on the Web:

    a leader engaged in civil administration
    a person active in party politics
    a schemer who tries to gain advantage in an organization in
    sly or underhanded ways
    One engaged in politics,
    especially an elected or appointed government official;
    Specifically, one who regards elected political office as a career;
    A sly or ingratiating person

    A politician or political leader (from Greek “polis”) is an individual
    who is involved in influencing public decision making. …
    A politically active or interested person;

    POLITICS

    politics – social relations involving intrigue to gain authority or power;
    “office politics is often counterproductive”
    politics – the study of government of states and other political units
    politics – the profession devoted to governing and to political affairs
    politics – the opinion you hold with respect to political questions
    politics – the activities and affairs involved in managing a state or a government;
    “unemployment dominated the politics of the inter-war years”;
    “government agencies multiplied beyond the control of representative politics”

    Politics is a process by which groups of people make collective decisions.
    The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments,
    but politics has been observed in other group interactions,
    including corporate, academic, and religious institutions

    FOR PORTIA:
    Aristotle’s Politics (Greek Πολιτικά) is a work of political philosophy.
    The declared that the inquiry into ethics necessarily follows into
    politics, and the two works are frequently considered to be parts
    of a larger treatise, or perhaps connected lectures,
    dealing with the “philosophy of human …

    Politics is an essay written by Ralph Waldo Emerson.
    It is part of his Essays: Second Series, published in 1844.
    A premier philosopher, poet and leader of American
    transcendentalism, he used this essay to belie his feelings
    on government, specifically American government

    On my arrival in the United States
    I was struck by the degree of ability among the governed
    and the lack of it among the governing.’
    Alexis de Toqueville

    FOR SUDDS:
    ‘I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts’.
    Will Rogers

    Now and then an innocent man is sent to the legislature. – Kin Hubbard

    ‘The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected.’
    Will Rogers

    Statesmen tell you what is true even though it may be unpopular.
    Politicians will tell you what is popular, even though it may be untrue.
    Anon

    Mom: What makes you think our son will be a politician?
    Dad: He says more things that sound good and mean nothing
    than any other boy on the block – Anon

    ‘Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession.
    I have come to realise
    that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.’
    Ronald Reagan

    This joke could be heard back in the 1960s in Moscow, USSR.
    > What is the difference between Capitalism and Socialism?
    Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man
    Socialism is the exact opposite

    In democracy it’s your vote that counts;
    In feudalism it’s your count that votes.
    Mogens Jallberg

    ‘The government’s view of the economy could be summed up
    in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it.
    If it keeps moving, regulate it.
    And if it stops moving, subsidize it’.
    Ronald Reagan

    ‘Politics is the art of looking for trouble,
    finding it everywhere,
    diagnosing it wrongly,
    and applying unsuitable remedies’.
    Sir Ernest Benn

    Political T.V. commercials prove one thing:
    some candidates can tell all their good points
    and qualifications in just 30 seconds.
    Anon

    ‘Politics makes strange bedfellows rich’. – Wayne Haisley

    Why don’t we ever hear of a thief stealing from a politician’s house?
    Professional courtesy.
    Anon

    ‘You can fool all of the people all of the time
    if the advertising is right
    and the budget is big enough.’
    Joseph Levine

    When buying and selling are controlled by legislation,
    the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. PJ O’Rourke

    When they call the roll in the Senate,
    the Senators do not know whether to answer
    ‘Present’ or ‘Not guilty.’
    Theodore Roosevelt

    Crime does not pay … as well as politics. – Alfred E. Newman

    Politicians and diapers have one thing in common.
    They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
    – Unknown

    The word ‘politics’ is derived from the word ‘poly’, meaning ‘many’,
    and the word ‘ticks’, meaning ‘blood sucking parasites’.
    Larry Hardiman

    1) ‘A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls’.
    George W Bush [President USA]

    2) Washington DC Newsflash: A tragic fire on Monday destroyed the
    personal library of President George W. Bush.
    Both of his books have been lost.

    Presidential spokesman Ari Fleischer said the president was devastated,
    as he had not finished colouring the second one.

    3) Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing.
    He concludes by saying: ‘Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed’.
    ‘OH NO!’ the President exclaims. ‘That’s terrible!’

    His staff are stunned at this display of emotion,
    they watch nervously as the President sits, head in hands.
    Finally, the President looks up and asks, ‘How many is a brazillion?’

    The next time you hear a politician use the word “billion”
    casually think about whether you do, or don’t, want that
    politician spending your tax money.

    A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but an advertising
    agency did a good job of putting that figure in perspective for us
    all in one of its releases:
    A billion seconds ago, it was 1959.
    A billion minutes ago, Jesus was alive.
    A billion hours ago, our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
    And………………..
    A billion dollars ago, was only 8 hours and 20 minutes at the rate
    Washington spends our money.

    FOR the OBAMA haters:
    Q: Why did Barack Obama cross the road?
    A. To help the other side.

    Q: Why won’t Obama release his real birth certificate?
    A. Hillary Clinton won’t give it back to him.

    Q: Why won’t Obama release his real birth certificate?
    A. The ink isn’t dry yet.

    Q: What made Barack help a Chicago slumlord to victimize the poor?
    A. The check.

    Once Obama is president if you get up early,
    work late and get a second job,
    you will still be able to get ahead
    – if you hit the lottery.

    Q: What is a lawyer gone bad called?
    A: Senator Obama.

    The Obama administration respects our property;
    they merely wish the property to become their property
    that they may more perfectly respect it.
    (Tip o’the hat to G. K. Chesterton.)

    Q: Why does Barack Obama oppose the Second Amendment?
    A. It stands between him and the First.

    Q: Why did Barack Obama decide to be a lawyer?
    A. He didn’t want to have to work for a living.

    Q: Why won’t Obama Messiah release his real birth certificate?
    A. It shows that he didn’t have a virgin birth.

    Q: Why is Oprah supporting Obama?
    A She has a history of supporting frauds.

    When Obama is sworn in as President, the only real
    “gun nuts” will be the people who don’t have any.

    Q: What ever happened to Joe Biden’s old wig?
    A. It was chased away by a dog.

    Even though Obama doesn’t have any experience, we’ll get plenty.

    Q: Candidate Obama has been telling us, “Yes We Can.” What will President Obama tell us?
    A. “Yes You Will.”

    Q: What’s the difference between Obama bin Biden and Osama bin Laden?
    A. With Obama bin Biden you get two for the price of one.

    Q: What’s the problem with Barack Obama jokes?
    A: His followers don’t think they’re funny and
    other people don’t think they’re jokes.

    Obama’s cabinet is shaping up to be a funny sort of life form;
    lots of legs but no brains.

    Q: Why did Joe Biden get a hair transplant?
    A. To hide the mark of the beast.

    Q: Why does Barack want higher taxes?
    A. Cause he won’t be the one paying them.

    Critics are telling lies about Obama… and most of them are true.
    (Tip o’the hat to Winston Churchill.)

    Q: Why is Barack Obama jealous of Hillary Clinton?
    A. She the one with the cojones.

    Obama said “NO” to drugs, but they must not have heard him.

    Q: Why should Obama have choosen Evan Bayh for VP?
    A. The name Birch Evans Bayh III makes
    Barack Hussein Obama sound almost normal.

    Q: Why does Barack Obama support our servicemen?
    A. He doesn’t.

    Q. Why is ObamaCare like an apple a day?
    A. It keeps your doctor away.

    Q: What was the most positive result of the “Cash for Clunkers” program?
    A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road

  191. 191 1george1

    In Stratford Star

    Mulligan’s political opinions (& verifiable facts):

    Bush-Paulson’s T.A.R.P. and Obama’s stimulus packages were
    both $ 750 Billion. (Have you) Wonder(ed) why?

    Each Dow Jones Industrial Average 1,000 points, is about $ 750 Billion.

    Iran Contra, George Pratt Shultz:
    “Department heads can become captives of their bureaucracy.”
    “Trust is the coin of the realm.”

    My opinion: “DJIA needed to be inflated from 6,700 to 12,000” to
    “window dress/kite INSURANCE and PENSION PORTFOLIOS.”

    (Nixon took Dollar off Gold Standard, before OPEC price increases.)


    My opinion: Rockefeller-Bush,
    Big Oil/Gas,
    U.N. (Rockefellers donated land UN was built on);
    Drug Laws,
    Trilateral Commission,
    Big Banks-Goldman Sacks,
    Council Foreign Affairs,

    will (coup-de-grace)

    crash “Stock-Bond-Real Estate Markets

    to buy all Mortgages, Stocks,” and
    “destroy Pension Portfolios,”

    making Obama “the DEPRESSION,” fall guy-scapegoat.

    Mar 21, 2011: Energy Secretary Steven Chu Embraces
    High Gas Prices with Fox’s: Chris Wallace:

    “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price
    of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
    “Where it is now more than $10 a gallon.”
    “In that sense, is the gas spike an opportunity
    for more green energy?”

    – Mulligan: Winter 1998-1999 I paid 50-62 Cents/Gallon Heating Oil.

    Since 1984, I’ve probed our American Political Justice system
    every aspect, looking for an honest man (modern Diogenes).
    > There are no UNTOUCHABLES, like Elliot Ness.

    Are UNTOUCHABLES the creatures who inhabit “rank”
    military, intelligence, bureaucratic, corporate, and private positions
    at international, federal, state and local levels?
    Are they Morlocks-vampires-ghouls, preying-feeding
    (gradually changing rules using Fabian Society techniques),
    on the silent majority of innocent people,
    who work hard and play by the rules?

    The vast majority of Military, Bureaucracy, Corporate, and
    Private sector, Democrats and Republicans
    are good and decent people,
    who deserve (inalienable) decent lives
    (ignorant of secret, exploitive plans)!

    I like local elected-political people, as people-community pillars,
    yet disagree with bipartisan political
    manipulations, priorities, and spending.

    Locally, charming Mayor Harkins was on “1996”
    Stratford Town Council:
    Police Pension Contract Defined BENEFIT settlement’s
    cut off year! (1996)

    I believe this was “always the plan:”
    Bribe Police from i n v e s t i g a t i n g political parties?

    Mayor Harkins retained Mayor Mirons:’
    “Law firms;”
    “Police Chief;”
    “Fire Chief;”
    “Public Works Director;”
    “Finance person;”
    “Town clerk;” and
    Defined BENEFIT Pension programs.

    Intellectual Town Council Chairman Malloy (9.7% Mil increase?)
    was BoE Chairman, approving
    Health Care “$3 million PAID DEDUCTABLES,” 2009-2010.

    Pension Obligation increased over 60% under former 6 year
    (brilliant) Councilman Forrester (2003-2009).
    BoE Chairman Forrester’s Health Care:
    “$2.2 million PAID DEDUCTABLES,” 2010-2011.

    Charter Revision #2 Attorneys, Florek and Proto,
    were attorneys affected by 1991 Town Referendums.

    Town Attorney Burturla’s, (Police Chief Burturla’s brother),
    “father was Stratford Police Captain.”

    Town Attorney “Kelly’s mother” was
    “Stratford Police Chiefs Mossman’s and Imbro’s secretary.”

    (Joe Burturla’s widow and Millie Kelly received Stratford
    pensions and are NOT INTENDED as personal, but POLITICAL
    references! Are there conflicts of interests appearances?)

    Why not Web-post/broadcast (the following)?:

    Town / BoE: “Attorney Fee payments since 1986?”

    Town / BoE: “Health Care costs breakdowns/deductibles!”

    “PAST/PRESENT: Union Contracts.”

    “Defined BENEFIT:”

    “Annual/cumulative Pensions;”

    “Obligations Increases;”

    “Base Pays;”

    “Lifetime Pension Contributions;”
    “Cash-outs;”

    “Annuities;”

    “401s;”

    “Annual/cumulative Health Care costs?”

    “Council: Budget Workshops/Committee meetings?”

    Were Town Charter changes and LBW referendum, pretextual,
    to HIDE THEFT of FIRST Amendment process:
    “Public Petition,”
    “Public CREATED Referendum,”
    “Populist Legislation,”

    “against ZONING development ABUSES?”
    (Intentional TAXATION degeneration=manipulate changes?)

  192. 192 portia1776

    Jez,

    You have been busy! In the interest of time, I will try to keep my rejoinders brief (i.e., <10,000 words 😉

    To recap: You posted the NYT article on GE’s tax bill (or lack thereof). I responded by quoting John Stossel’s column in which GE, one of Obama’s favorite corporate welfare recipients, is prominently featured.

    Then, in response to my response, you wrote “Zero tax for GE. What’s wrong with this picture? Ambrosia Bakery pays more tax than GE?”

    Am I missing something?! You write as if I defended GE, but, of course, I did not. What I did say, by way of quoting Stossel, was we need to “End Corporate Welfare: Stop giving handouts to big business.” Corporate welfare is inclusive of incentives, subsides, tax loopholes, tariffs, regulatory barriers – all of which are anathema to laissez-faire.

    There is no inconsistency on my part. It is, however, incongruous for you, someone who favors government intervention and planning of the economy, to be shocked – shocked! – that politically connected rent-seeking corporations (including unions) disproportionately benefit from government intervention, at the expense of smaller competitors, taxpayers, and consumers.

    Perhaps instead of judging laws, regulations, and programs by their supposedly good intentions, you will begin to ask cui bono? Do that more often and… you might end up like George. Actually, and this is true of George on a good day, you will start to understand the real-world consequences of the cycle of “crisis” – control – corruption.

    Consider the recent history of the financial “crisis” leading to massive intervention (stimuli, regulations, bailouts, subsidies), which in turn led to massive corruption, such that

    “…despite its poor decision to do too much business with a failed company, the goldman sachs did not lose a penny?

    actually, the goldman sachs probably profited from the failiure of the AIGs.

    how could someone profit from the downfall of one of their biggest business partners?

    because while the goldman sachs was working with the AIGs, it was also making a secret bet that they would go under.

    …weren’t the American people outraged by this manipulation of a bailout?

    at the time, the American people did not know about the structure of this bailout.

    how come?

    because the governments ordered the AIGs to lie to the people.

    who in the governments gave such an order?

    The New York Fed.

    and who at the time was in charge of the New York Fed?

    the timothy geethner.

    and who put the timothy geethner in charge?

    the timothy geethner was appointed by the president bush.

    what about the president obama, and the change. Did the president obama bring the change to the timothy geethner?

    Yes

    so he fired him?

    no. he promoted him to treasury secretary.

    that does not sound like the change we can believe in.

    definitely not.”
    (Watch Omid Malekan’s Socratic satire (http://youtu.be/yipV_pK6HXw) or continue reading the transcript (http://omidmalekan.com/?page_id=327))

    While clearly no friend of Immelt’s GE — in fact, I am a disappointed shareholder — my fidelity to truth leads me to set the record aright, especially since I previously misattributed “great” to the NYT article.

    You wrote “GE’s corporate tax bill: Zero.”

    Energy taxes? Payroll taxes? Sales taxes? State income taxes? CT’s business existence tax? As economist Steven Landsburg says “So right. No taxes paid whatsoever, except for the taxes, and the double taxes and the triple taxes.” GE (corporate, employees, consumers, and shareholders) paid a plethora of taxes, as they are ubiquitous and unavoidable.

    What you meant to write was that GE may not pay federal income taxes because of its creative accounting, political connections to the Obama administration, Obama’s beneficence to GE with our money, and their tax write-offs for GE (lost billions of) Capital.

    Even that claim is suspect. The Atlantic’s Meghan McArdle notes: “it seems that the New York Times was simply factually incorrect on the claim that wound up in its headlines: that GE paid no US taxes in 2010, and gained a ‘tax benefit’ of $3.2 billion. The company paid estimated taxes all year, and seems to have some tax liability for the year, though no one right now knows how much. Including GE. Frankly, the company probably won't know for several years, as large companies essentially have branch offices of the IRS in their headquarters, and their tax bills are the subject of lengthy negotiation….

    Does GE take advantage of the complexity of the code to reduce its tax bill beyond what congress intended? Absolutely. And does GE lobby a great deal on tax provisions that benefit the company? Again, absolutely. But unlike most people, this doesn't seem to me to be specially evil for doing so. I don't think it's particularly different from the AARP lobbying on the taxation of social security benefits, or middle-class journalists taking every conceivable home office deduction they're allowed. People, whether singly or in organizations, will ever strive to pay as little in taxes as possible. As long as they're operating within the law, they have the same level of moral culpability.

    For me, this is an argument against complexity, not an argument against GE (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/04/yes-ge-paid-taxes-in-2010-were-pretty-sure/236802/ ).”

    To my point about government intervention leading to corruption, here is McArdle in a previous post:

    “I don't like the fact that GE lobbies aggressively on tax rules, and I certainly wish that Congress would not oblige them by passing bad laws that benefit GE. On the other hand, the author of the [NYT] article takes it as obvious that any law which benefits GE must ipso facto be a bad law. So a publication which has not, in the past, been particularly hostile to green energy tax credits is suddenly outraged that GE has lobbied in support of them. (GE sells wind turbines, which were, last time I looked, squarely within the standard definition of green energy). I mean, I'm against green energy tax credits and all–but you can't simultaneously think that this sort of egregious government meddling is okay in the service of the environment, and also think that it's wrong for GE to lobby in favor, or benefit from selling the stuff.”

    Well, Jez, as someone who believes that egregious government meddling in the economy is always good and never enough provided it is done with the “best of intentions,” are you just a little bit crestfallen by this story? And, with tax day fast approaching, have you been seeking to maximize your tax burden? If not, remember you can always “contribute” to Uncle Sam via the Treasury’s website.

    “The top corporate tax rate is supposed to be 35% — one of the highest in the world. But few companies actually pay that rate, since there are myriad loopholes and other ways to get breaks.” – So individuals and companies seek to minimize their tax burden? You mean that the higher the tax rates, the lower the tax revenue? Epic.

    “Now, the Times reports, only 6.6% of Uncle Sam’s tax revenue comes from corporations (down from 30% in the 1950s).” – If the stat is correct, it seems to be down due to losses. Brookings has the corporate share of federal tax revenue at 12% as of 2008. Be that as it may, even when the corporate tax rate was 52% (is that “fair” enough for you?), government revenue from those taxes was perpetually declining. 30% of total revenue was only achieved with the twin peaks of 1953 and 1954; the average for the decade was about 27%. Again, it seems that the higher the tax rate, the more incentive corporations have to pay lawyers, accountants, and lobbyists to evade or lessen their tax burden. Bemoaning this reality does not make it any less true.

    The larger point is that the corporate share of tax revenue as a percentage of total revenue is contingent upon the size of the other shares. In dollar terms, corporations paid 29 times more in federal income taxes in 2008 over what their predecessors paid in 1950, while individuals paid 207.5 times more in payroll taxes in 2008 over what our predecessors paid in 1950. Comparing apples to apples, the payroll tax burden on individuals has grown exponentially (thanks Social Security and Medicare!)

    “OASI” was 1.5% of individual income in 1950. “DI” was added in 1957 at a rate of 0.3750% of individual income (by that time “OASI” had doubled to 3%). Now, “OASDI” is 12.4% of individual income.

    In 1966, the first year Medicare taxes were collected, “OASDI” + “HI” equaled 6.15% of individual income. Today it is 15.3%. In other words, comparing oranges to oranges, taxpayers are being forced to pay an ever-increasing percentage of their income for one-size-fits-all-badly Big Government programs with no limit in sight. Unfortunately, unlike the corporate income taxes, there are no loopholes (aside from being born Amish) that individuals can use to escape these unfair, confiscatory, and immoral payroll taxes.

  193. 193 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I have been a registered Democrat for 38 years (surprised, Portia?).” – LOL!

    “There is nothing about the DTC that remotely resembles the Democratic Party.” – Actually, the national Dems are even worse. Pelosi makes Miron look competent and honest by comparison.

  194. 194 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I am sure, well at least confident, that Portia and I share a great many ideas in common.” – I think we do, when you deal in facts and not feelings.

    “Portia tends to be a bit more absolutist than I do.” – As in absolutely right? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist 😉 Yes, I am an absolutist when it comes to the 1st Amendment. Now that you mention it, I’m pretty absolutist on all the others, too. Kind of a sticker for individual liberty.

    “However, these discussions are what I believe blogs should be about: an open discussion of opinions and positions. If we had more of these, especially in Stratford, we might even reach the goal of consensus.” – We certainly agree on this. The free marketplace of ideas, while valuable in and of itself, is essential for progress. There was no consensus on ObamaCare. The consensus now is that it needs to be repealed–and a surprisingly high number of Americans thinks it already has. Why? President Obama simply refused to articulate his own ideas and have an adult conversation about his signature policy in the open (as he had promised). Those unwilling to submit their ideas to scrutiny should keep them private.

  195. 195 portia1776

    Jez, George, et al.,

    Without Googling, a.) Who said these words? b.) Do you agree with them? I’m interested in your feedback.

    “All of us know what those challenges are today – a war with no end, a dependence on oil that threatens our future, schools where too many children aren’t learning, and families struggling paycheck to paycheck despite working as hard as they can. We know the challenges. We’ve heard them. We’ve talked about them for years.

    What’s stopped us from meeting these challenges is not the absence of sound policies and sensible plans. What’s stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics – the ease with which we’re distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions, our preference for scoring cheap political points instead of rolling up our sleeves and building a working consensus to tackle big problems.

    …we’ve been told that our mounting debts don’t matter, we’ve been told that the anxiety Americans feel about rising health care costs and stagnant wages are an illusion, we’ve been told that climate change is a hoax, and that tough talk and an ill-conceived war can replace diplomacy, and strategy, and foresight….

    Today we grieve for the families who have lost loved ones, the hearts that have been broken, and the young lives that could have been. America, it’s time to start bringing our troops home. It’s time to admit that no amount of American lives can resolve the political disagreement that lies at the heart of someone else’s civil war.”

  196. 196 1george1

    The PETER PRINCIPLE is about rising above one’s level of competence.

    I guess a PAUL PRINCIPLE is about the compentent rising to power
    without conscience?

  197. 197 ronmoreau

    George,

    ‘While I like RON and believe PHIN honestly wants the (best) for Stratford,
    I can not believe ANYONE does not recognize that Harkins is a polished
    version of Jim Miron, and works with E X A C T L Y the same people!’

    Reminds me of what someone said to me 20 years ago when I was elected to the town council. ” To the victors comes the spoils”. Both partys do share. I don’t blame them. I blame the electorate. Because most of them do not get involved, lobby, or even vote.

    The question is, How do you organize the “silent majority”? (The sheep). You can’t. The ones that do organize into a ‘party’ will be no better. They will say the same thing when they win. To the victors go the spoils.

    The only thing any of us can do is try to keep those in power honest by publicizing the wrongs they do.

  198. 198 1george1

    RON > People hate the Government, but love the country.
    Everyone wants.
    No one understands how government works.
    The parties have had 235 years molding this government to protect
    themselves and mislead the people.

    People can relate to Monika Lewinsky, but not macroeconomics.
    A Million is a BIG #
    A Billion is 100- Million
    A Trillion is 1 million x 1 million

  199. 199 ronmoreau

    A billion is 1000 million.
    A trillion is 1000 billion.

  200. 200 1george1

    A trillion is 1000 billion.

    or A Trillion is 1 million x (times) 1 million

  201. 201 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Histories of ages past
    Unenlightened shadows cast
    Down through all eternity
    The crying of humanity.
    ‘Tis then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man
    Comes singing songs of love…” ~ Donovan

    See: http://youtu.be/iyUu-8nbd58

  202. 202 1george1

    Mark Twain: “There is no distinctly native American criminal class, except Congress.”

    Theodore Roosevelt: “When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators
    do not know whether to answer ‘Present’ or ‘Not guilty.’”

  203. 203 1george1

    Mostly from Wikipedia:

    Military–industrial (& political) complex refers to policy and monetary
    relationships between legislators, national armed forces, and industrial
    (Weapons/oil/finance/logistics) sectors, enabling them.

    Relationships include political contributions, political approval for defense
    spending, lobbying to support bureaucracies, and beneficial legislation and
    oversight of the industry. A type of iron triangle. (Trilateral Commission)

    Candidates for Military Academies admission receive nominations, usually
    from a Congressman.

    Senators (Dodd & Lieberman) of the president’s political party from a
    given state often make the initial selection of a candidate for United
    States Attorney. (who owes those Senators / Congress / Party)

    If both Senators are from an opposing party, the state’s congressional
    delegation or other state party officials may play a leading role.

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is an investigatory agency
    for the Justice Department.

    Federal judges are usually appointed by the United States President and
    confirmed by the United States Senate in accordance with Article III of
    the United States Constitution.

    Plurality of judges, were “judges at state or local levels.”
    Most other Judges were employed either in the
    “political or governmental realms” or in
    “moderate-to large-sized law firms and some small firms.”

    > Relative to JEZE post about the FEEEBS …

    “Would Military, Prosecutors, or Law enforcement investigate their
    PATRONS?”

  204. 204 1george1

    CODE OF ETHICS FOR GOVERNMENT SERVICE,
    Adopted July 11, 1958 House of Representatives: The following Code of Ethics should be adhered to by all Government employees, including officeholders.

    (I placed the quotation marks. Please project to Stratford, FEEEBS & CT.)

    1. Put loyalty to the “highest moral principals and to country” “above loyalty to” Government “persons,” “party,” or “department.”

    2. Uphold the Constitution, laws, and legal regulations of the United States and of all governments therein and never be a party to their evasion.
    3. Give a full day’s labor for a full day’s pay; giving to the performance of his duties his earnest effort and best thought.
    4. Seek to find and employ more efficient and economical ways of getting tasks accomplished.

    5. Never discriminate unfairly by the dispensing of “special” “favors or privileges”
    to anyone, whether for remuneration or not; and never accept for himself or his
    family, favors or benefits under circumstances which might be construed by
    reasonable persons as influencing the performance of his governmental duties.

    6. Make no private promises of any kind binding upon the duties of office, since a Government employee has no private word which can be binding on public duty.

    7. Engage in no business with the Government, either “directly or indirectly”
    which is “inconsistent” with the “conscientious performance of his governmental
    duties.”

    8. Never use “any information” coming to him confidentially in the performance of
    governmental duties as a “means for making private profit.”

    9. “Expose corruption” wherever discovered. (Corrupticut)

    10. Uphold these principles, ever conscious that public office is a public trust.

    Should Robert Scinto’s lawyer have cross filed against U.S. Justice-FBI-Judge, citing politicians in: this area, AVCO-Steal Point; Executive, Legislative, Judicial; Wall Street; Oil: Drugs; Rank Military, Lobbying=briberies.

  205. 205 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Without Googling, a.) Who said these words? b.) Do you agree with them? I’m interested in your feedback.”

    Without looking it up, they sound vaguely Obama-like.

    Deval Patrick?

  206. 206 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Deval Patrick?” – No, Barack Obama, February 10, 2007, presidential campaign announcement. Let me guess, you’re unfazed by the fact that Obama’s failed polices make this speech more true now than we he gave it? The worse things get, the more power and control power-mad “Progressive” control freaks will have over our lives.

    But I guess you’re probably as relived as Matt Welch that, thanks to Obama, “we are no longer fighting someone else’s civil war, mainlining foreign oil, misundereducating [our] students, pumping carbon into the air, and worrying about paychecks!” Oh, wait…

    Obama’s audacity to seek reelection after inflicting so much harm on the laws, government, economy, and people of this country is reminiscent of Jimmy Miron.

    OBAMA 2012: Because you shouldn’t fire anyone during a recession (h/t Walter).

  207. 207 portia1776

    Jez,

    “Since 2007 about 19% of the working population.” – Individual liberty and personal responsibility do not disappear when someone losses their job. Unemployed people need not become wards of the State, especially those who were responsible, lived prudently, and saved money for such a rainy day.

    “I would not use that phrase.” – Of course you wouldn’t. But your beliefs are premised on the government treating all adults as hapless children for life. Dependency and control by any other name…

    “If this were, say, 10 years ago when unemployment in CT was <2%, your position might make actual sense.” – The unemployment rate has nothing to do with individual freedom. The Declaration and Constitution establish that we are equal in rights, not ability, accomplishment, or property.

    Why less than 2%? If we’re choosing arbitrary and utopian standards by which to measure America’s increasingly planned economy, why don’t we set the bar at 100%? Why do you think so little of the Obama Administration? North Korea has achieved full employment. They also have gas chambers and gulags, but our all-powerful State would never do anything like that, right?

    “But to say that it is totally up to the individual, given what we have actually experienced is naive.” – What I am saying is that the presumption must be in favor of individual liberty with its attendant, individual responsibility. That is the position of the Founders.

    If you presume everyone is “unable,” then they will live down to expectations. This is the moral of that nightmarish story known as our Welfare State. Alternatively, if you presume that everyone is free, it does not follow that everyone will be able. There will always be those who are unable, some perhaps for a time and others perhaps for a lifetime.

    The difference between us is as follows: You want policies that “disable” while I want polices that “enable.” Prove me wrong. Join me in supporting Professor Horowitz’s anti-poverty agenda, which you have been conspicuously quiet about despite my repeated prompting.

    “Neither do share shareholders, Directors, CEO's or COO's.” – Correct, but there is a crucial difference. I can choose not to patronize a bad company; I cannot avoid suffering under a bad government. I can decide not to shop at a store when it is mismanaged; I cannot decide to stop paying my taxes to our government when it is mismanaged.

    “Hardly.” – Refute what I wrote. You can’t… hence the snipping.

    “Lying, cheating, stealing and fraud are just as pervasive in the free market as any other human endeavor.” – Sorry, where did I say they were not? Where did I say that the free market requires the perfection of human nature, a manifest impossibility that only socialist utopians demand? To the contrary, the free market is moral and efficient precisely because it provides the best mechanisms for dealing with the dishonest without destroying individual liberty.

    What happens, in a free market, if an individual or company engages in lying, cheating, stealing, and fraud? Often years before the long arm of the law catches them (if ever), crooked individuals and companies develop repulsive reputations. Even for those offenses to customers or employees short of the criminal, a company lives or dies on the basis of how well it serves its customers and treats its employees. Someone who is habitually lying will probably find it difficult to hold down a job (Case in point, Jimmy Miron seems to have a lot of time on his hands to be churning out letters to the editor, Tweets, and comments on the friendlier grounds that are the Stratford Patch and Star. Even drunk drivers have standards, you know).

    Customers in a free market create a great financial incentive for companies to be honest, provide them with value, and be innovative in their offerings. The flip side is that there is a great financial disincentive for companies that are corrupt, incompetent, and do not strive to best serve their customers or treat their workers well.

    “Have you ever heard of Lakeview Monument?” – Are you claiming that potential customers did not boycott him? Do you also claim that, were it not for Richard Blumenthal’s mysterious leniency, Democratic Party Boss Richard Miron would not be behind bars? Considering the long troubled history of Lakeview, one wonders why the lackluster prosecution of Miron took so long in coming. Might it have something to do with Miron being a member of the ruling Democratic party? Where was the media coverage? Lakeview is a prime example of government failure since a fair and impartial judiciary and the upholding of the law are primary functions of constitutional government.

    “Perhaps I should have said ’labelling’?” – Is it a case of inappropriate labeling to put a sign on a barrel of toxic waste that reads “toxic”? By all means, if you think a label misapplied, please let me know.

    “I don't know all public employees. The ones I do know, are proud of their work (as they should be) and their contribution to the Town.” – Some of them, and they know who they are, should be proud. And I join you in being grateful for their service. Almost to a person, the rank and file of our police, fire, and EMS are commendable. Public employees with the last names Buturla, Moffat, LoSchiavo, Best? Not at all.

    Let us not delude ourselves at least on these two points: 1.) At the national government level, “public employees” are bureaucrats, not teachers, fire fighters, policemen and paramedics. 2.) Economist Steven Moore disturbingly found that “More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined.” While his demarcation of “makers” and “takers” is flawed, it is helpful to note that public employees do not generate new revenue; they are an expense that taxpayers must abide. And taxpayers are ill-served by the current, deeply flawed incentive structures that reward seniority and mediocrity. In practice, the results are devastating.

    As Moore writes: “Consider a core function of state and local governments: schools. Over the period 1970-2005, school spending per pupil, adjusted for inflation, doubled, while standardized achievement test scores were flat. Over roughly that same time period, public-school employment doubled per student, according to a study by researchers at the University of Washington. That is what economists call negative productivity.

    But education is an industry where we measure performance backwards: We gauge school performance not by outputs, but by inputs. If quality falls, we say we didn't pay teachers enough or we need smaller class sizes or newer schools. If education had undergone the same productivity revolution that manufacturing has, we would have half as many educators, smaller school budgets, and higher graduation rates and test scores.

    The same is true of almost all other government services. Mass transit spends more and more every year and yet a much smaller share of Americans use trains and buses today than in past decades. One way that private companies spur productivity is by firing underperforming employees and rewarding excellence. In government employment, tenure for teachers and near lifetime employment for other civil servants shields workers from this basic system of reward and punishment. It is a system that breeds mediocrity, which is what we've gotten (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576219073867182108.html ).”

    “…one realizes that there is more under the sun than ideology. At least in my own experience (Fine! "Age"), I have found that ideology usually obscures reality. I believe Americans are coming to realize that ideology doesn't matter…what works matters.” – You are confusing ignorance of ideologies with the rejection of ideology in the abstract. I would remind you that one need not understand or even agree with Netwoian ideology to be governed by it.

    It is true that Americans are historically averse to thinking in terms of ideology. “Pragmatism,” it has been said, is the “American ideology.” Before the “Progressive” era, there might have been just a little justice in that claim. Now? You have to be kidding. Every ideologue, left and right, labels themselves “pragmatic.” Barack "I am not an ideologue" Obama is a leftist ideologue, and his polices reflect his ideology.

    May I once again recommend “Make Mine Freedom” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY (I think it came out before even you were born! Sorry for the ageism 😉 The film never says if Dr. Utopia’s ISM is fascism, socialism, “Progressivism,” or communism. You, rather, have to draw your own conclusions from what ISM means in practice.

    Reality has a pronounced classical liberal and lassiez faire bias. Political theorist RJ Rummel has demonstrated this with “theoretical analysis, historical case studies, empirical data, and quantitative analyses.” The liberal democracy of representative government and the free market is “a practical and in itself desirable solution to famine, mass poverty, political violence, genocide/mass murder, and war.” Conversely, those who advance government power, are in effect if not intent and at a later date if not at present, opening Pandora’s box to all those things.

    As Rummel puts this in verse:

    “Pray tell, my brother,/
    Why do dictators kill/
    and make war?/
    Is it for glory; for things,/
    for beliefs, for hatred,/
    for power?/
    Yes, but more,/
    because they can.”

    See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

    The wrong ideology (collectivism) kills, the right ideology (individualism) leads to peace, prosperity, and progress.

    “Both political parties have lost contact with reality long ago and no longer capable of representing the American will.” – I disagree. “The problem,” according to PJ O’Rouke, “is us damn voters. And it’s not our political parties, be they few or many. We have voted ourselves more government benefits than we care to pay for. And we’re broke….

    Republicans and Democrats don't have ideologies. They just have these vague platform planks made of rotten wood of political expediency? If American party platforms were backyard tree forts, you would not let your children climb in them. Anyone can join an American political party, even a witch. No one can be thrown out of an American political party….

    Instead of political parties, what we have in America is two fundraising mechanisms for a pair of general human tendencies. The tendency to leave things all screwed up like they've always been and the tendency to get the government involved and screw things up more. Democrats are the party that says government can make us all richer, smarter, taller, thinner. Get the crab grass out of our lawns, you know? The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected, and then they prove it.”

    “Governor Scott said it in as plain a language as you can imagine. His stated goal is to eviscerate the unions. If he can disband them…even better.” – True. And, you know what? He said what he was going to do when he ran for office. Elections have consequences. It is bizarre for people of a certain political persuasion to champion democracy only so long as the “people power” benefits them. Walker was elected specifically to restore worker freedom and thus end the monopolistic unions’ endemic corruption and mediocrity (have you heard some of those teachers talk? Their ignorance of history and basic arithmetic is staggering).

    “But who will fill that power vacuum?” – Obviously workers, who will finally have the freedom to choose whether or not to unionize. My guess is most will elect to remain unionized. I know, perish the thought, unionization without coercion!

    “You mean after they turn 65 and decline to receive benefits? Absolutely I agree.” –Thank you for proving my point that Social Security and Medicare are immoral because they require coercion.

    Really, Jez, I would expect this kind of argument from Bernie Madoff. You know very well that individuals cannot opt-out of Social Security or Medicare because they are PAYGO programs. If current workers stopped paying in, current retirees would not be able to collect. There is no provision for when current workers become retirees in the future.

    Irony of ironies, only the Paul Ryan Budget would save Social Security and Medicare from defaulting on their obligations to current retirees, while also providing a sustainable program for future retirees, especially for the poor and sick.

    What do Democrats say about Republican efforts to save the social safety net, you know, so it actually might be there for the people they claim who need it most? Nancy ‘8 million jobs lost during my tenure’ Pelosi talks about the “slashing [of] support for seniors…” “Progressives” never miss an opportunity to exploit constituents and play on their fears. Unless, of course, she is redefining “seniors” to mean everyone under 55.

    (While a good start, the Ryan budget is not radical enough. I recently saw a sign that sums up my opinion “extreme spending requires extreme cutting.” Indeed.)

    “It doesn't make it any more true this time.” – Your lack of a coherent response doesn’t make what I wrote any less true. Sigh… you’re starting to remind me of someone.

    “I haven't read of Canadians, Brits, Germans, French or Swedes dropping like flies under a single payer system.” – Funny, I don’t read about Americans, even under our 75% government or corporate controlled system dropping like flies, either. What I do know is that health insurance and health care are not synonymous, they are subject to market forces as with everything else, and benefit from individual choice. In the 25% of the American market that is a free market (LASIK, plastic surgery, concierge service docs), quality is improving all the time.

    Meanwhile, how is America’s “first foray into near-universal coverage, begun four decades ago with such great hope,” turned out? According to Robin Fields, writing in the Atlantic, “Every year, more than 100,000 Americans start dialysis. One in four of them will die within 12 months—a fatality rate that is one of the worst in the industrialized world. Oh, and dialysis arguably costs more here than anywhere else. Although taxpayers cover most of the bill, the government has kept confidential clinic data that could help patients make better decisions.”

    ObamaCare seeks to apply the disaster that is “single payer” dialysis to every procedure and every patient. How many people have to die before the blood lust of socialists and deluded fellow travelers is satisfied? Just asking.

    By the way, your grouping is not altogether accurate. France, for example, in some respects, has a freer health care market than we do.

    “In my opinion, since I honestly don't know any North Koreans, I would say because it is steady work and they can feed and house their families as opposed to starving.” – Actually, they have no choice (hint that might have something to do with their anti-choice ideology). Even the soldiers starve… there is not much food to go around when the food is "free."

    “What I said was that every school district has the choice to accept the money (and unfunded mandates that come with it) or not. In a district made up of Laissez-faire ideologues, I would assume they would turn down every penny of it. You would, wouldn't you?” – I certainly would. But the vast majority of districts accepted the funds. It would be an interesting comparison to see the difference between those who have submitted to the string-pulling of the educrats and those which remained free. And, as Gavin reminds us, what of the unfunded mandates that those educrats get passed through the legislators?

    I fail to see how claiming the DOE has limited influence, even if true, justifies its extravagantly expense existence rather than providing yet another reason to stop wasting tens of billions on feckless and ineffective educrats.

    “The problem I have with your Darwinistic approach to life is that, in the animal kingdom, Darwinism is not an option. Animals have minimal success in overcoming the laws of survival.” – Individual freedom is not optional. Neither is the choice between limited and unlimited government. Unless you wish to return to the state of nature, the free market’s division of labor is absolutely essential. As an individual, as a member of a family, as a citizen of this town, state and country, we are each incapable of achieving our individual standards of living without being able to voluntarily exchange goods with other individuals the world over via free trade.

    “Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I would like to believe that, as a species, humans can do better.” – Yes. We. Can. It’s called laissez-faire and liberal democracy.

    “Maybe you're right.” – We can do better than return to the primitive ISM mentalities and undead failed policies ISM’s disciples have been inflicting on people for centuries.
    We are smart enough to understand how evil Lenin’s notion of society as "one office and one factory, with equal work and equal pay” whereby the “whole material economy” would be organized and planned “like the postal system.”

    We should have learned from the social engineering “experiments” of the past, e.g., lassiez-faire Hong Kong v. Maoist China, Maoist China v. somewhat capitalist China, North Korea v. South Korea, East Germany v. West Germany, laissez-faire America v. “Progressive” America, the list goes on… see the "Hurdy Gurdy Man" link above.

    Everyone quotes Santayana’s expression (without knowing who he was) that “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” His words immediately before that famous turn of phrase are even more arresting: "…when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual.”

    In short, we have an increasingly ineluctable decision to make between free choice and government control.

  208. 208 1george1

    The Private sector is supposed to make profitable products and services.

    The Government is suppose to help administer and arbitrate, while enabling
    the the private sector, with appropriate restraints.

    Kinda like the Non Levite and Levite tribes?
    11/12 th to with with direction and assistance
    1/12th to direct, administer, and assist

    Anyone wanna be the Scribes and Phareses were Levite? 😉

    Roman / Latin saying about beware of Greeks bearing gifts refers both
    to the Trojan Horse and the Bible, supposedly passed along by Jewish
    Greeks or Greek Jewish, a pretty fair time after the Macabees …..
    The vulgate was the Latin version.
    I forget the originate version. Noyt lookin up right now.

    Despite many problems and issues by abusers, I believe all religions
    and philosophies have helped improve humanities’ ascent …

  209. 209 phineast

    “Let us not delude ourselves at least on these two points: 1.) At the national government level, “public employees” are bureaucrats, not teachers, fire fighters, policemen and paramedics.”

    Portia- you left out the army, navy, air force,and Marines….these are the people -the ones in the trenches-that deserve to earn a “living” wage and have a congressional medical plan.

    “I haven’t read of Canadians, Brits, Germans, French or Swedes dropping like flies under a single payer system.”

    Have you ever experienced health care in those countries?? –I have friends in Canada, the UK and a few other places you mentioned….They all have the same opinion—single payor system is terrible and a patient in need of surgery-like a hip replacement- could be on a wait list for more than 3 years. So seniors better not fall over there. Why exactly do you think so many foreigners come to this country for medical treatment???? First is because there is almost NO wait time for treatment and SECOND they don’t have to pay for it. EVER. I have an acquaintance that is a Doctor who is from Prague-she has been here for almost 20 years-her mother got sick with cancer and she had her come here for treatment specifically for those reasons-all it takes is a trip to the ER. I know that her mother’s repeated hospitalizations cost the taxpayers over a quarter of a million dollars-in the end she went home to die-why should we the honest people pay for those that bilk us????? This is allowable by law. To me it is the equivalent of fraud. But the rules say it is not. My friend who lives in Shelton needed gallbladder surgery and had no insurance-is a natural citizen-and had to pay for everything at the (are you ready for this??!!) the non insured rate which is about 36% higher than someone with insurance. Because this person owned a modest condo there was no help and has to make monthly payments to the hospital for the next 15 years to pay off the debt.
    What we currently see with health care is the pendulum at it’s farthest polarities-somewhere there has to be a middle ground that won’t bankrupt the country or give the bank away to non contributing aliens. Maybe if it is debated enough and UHC is dis empowered you might actually see some livable changes.

  210. 210 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Let me guess, you’re unfazed by the fact that Obama’s failed polices make this speech more true now than we he gave it?”

    Actually…I’m used to it. It’s just like “Restore the Pride”.

  211. 211 portia1776

    phineast,

    “Portia- you left out the army, navy, air force,and Marines….” – You are correct. I did not include them because, as you probably have notice, this administration doesn’t mention our brave service men and women all that often. In response to every suggestion that the federal budget should be cut, President Obama’s response is to use the police, fire fighters, and teachers as human shields, but never the military. Of course, to argue it would hurt teachers to get rid of the DOE is, on its face, ridiculous — the DOE does not employee a single teacher to educate a single child. There are more federal civilian employees than members of the active military.

    I fully support ensuring that members of the military get their due — they who readily give the ultimate sacrifice deserve are utmost gratitude. I hope you agree that choosing weapons systems on the basis of whose district the contractor is in rather than efficacy does not make them or us safer. Quite the contrary. It is there fore necessary to significantly cut the DOD and re-prioritize it (as well as our foreign policy overall) so that the federal government can fulfill one of its fundamental Constitutional duties: to provide for the common defense.

    “Have you ever experienced health care in those countries?? –I have friends in Canada, the UK and a few other places you mentioned….They all have the same opinion—single payor system is terrible” – Your legitimate beef is with Jez, not moi. I quoted and refuted Jez’s endorsement of a “single-payer” health scheme above, specifically using the awful example of government-controlled dialysis. Here is the full article that I referenced: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/12/-8220-god-help-you-you-39-re-on-dialysis-8221/8308/

  212. 212 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “Your legitimate beef is with Jez,”
    Thanks for the help, but I think I have enough people in this Town that already have a beef with me. Luckily for me, I don’t like them anyway.

  213. 213 jezebel282

    Phin,

    “Have you ever experienced health care in those countries??”

    Actually, yes. Having lived in the EU and working with hundreds of people I can say that not one of them would give up their national healthcare for our system. In fact, they think we are overmedicated, fat and generally stupid about healthcare. The most common question I had was “Why aren’t you fat? You’re an American, right?”

  214. 214 1george1

    I support the troops.
    I support our Constitution.
    I support our country.

    I question every aspect of the RANK government.

  215. 215 jezebel282

    Portia,

    I have a feeling my responses will be much shorter than yours:

    “What I am saying is that the presumption must be in favor of individual liberty with its attendant, individual responsibility.”
    And what I am saying is that providing programs is not an encroachment of your individual liberty. Let me explain that before you begin another thesis. If you suddenly receive that pink slip or become so ill as to be unable to oh, I don’t know…sit up?.. you remain free to reject any and all onerous and evil government assistance. You can still be a proud, free, homeless and sick individual.

    “Why less than 2%?”
    Because that is essentially full employment.

    “They also have gas chambers and gulags, but our all-powerful State would never do anything like that, right?”
    Really? Unemployment compensation inevitably leads to gas chambers?

    “You want policies that “disable” while I want polices that “enable.””
    In your opinion.

    “I can choose not to patronize a bad company; I cannot avoid suffering under a bad government.”
    Actually, you can’t. Do you even know who supplied your last tank of gas? Do you know which farm produce your last gallon of milk? Do you know who owns your insurance company? Your mortgage? And where, exactly, did those chicken nuggets come from anyway?

    “a company lives or dies on the basis of how well it serves its customers and treats its employees.”
    Unfortunately for all of us, you are dreadfully wrong about that.
    “The flip side is that there is a great financial disincentive for companies that are corrupt, incompetent, and do not strive to best serve their customers or treat their workers well.”
    And you continue to be wrong about that.

    “Is it a case of inappropriate labeling to put a sign on a barrel of toxic waste that reads “toxic”?”
    It is inappropriate to label the barrel “toxic” if it is not. The metaphor breaks down when you compare the physical world to the theoretical world.

    “Are you claiming that potential customers did not boycott him? ”
    In the specific case of Richard Miron, that is exactly what I am claiming. There are 80 families (that we know of) that did not know he would simply steal their money. The monument business typically attracts clients after the need is created. Dealing with this transaction is not your typical purchase and involves a high degree of emotion. Something Miron knew all too well.

    “Public employees with the last names Buturla, Moffat, LoSchiavo, Best? Not at all.”
    No argument there.

    “one need not understand or even agree with Netwoian ideology to be governed by it.”
    Newtonian ideology? Really? That’s the first time I’ve heard it referred to as an “ideology”. A lot of people call it Newtonian “Physics”. But then again, it only applies on this planet, doesn’t it?

    “those who advance government power, are in effect if not intent and at a later date if not at present, opening Pandora’s box to all those things. ”
    Let’s us remember that also contained in her box was “hope”.

    “The wrong ideology (collectivism) kills, the right ideology (individualism) leads to peace, prosperity, and progress.”
    “Wrong”? “Right?” Are we talking about empirical data or value judgements? Make up your mind. Collectivism in some circumstances is more efficient and individualism is more efficient in others. I happen to think along a continuum instead of boxes. We can even provide examples. If we did not live each day within a collectivist system (the family unit), the infant mortality rate would be astronomical. You are not paid to take care of your child. You child does not pay you anything to receive care from you (except maybe to smile or take a nap).

    “Walker was elected specifically to restore worker freedom”
    Worker freedom? Arbeit Macht Frei? Don’t you mean management freedom?

    “Republicans and Democrats don’t have ideologies. They just have these vague platform planks made of rotten wood of political expediency?”
    I agree.

    “Irony of ironies, only the Paul Ryan Budget would save Social Security and Medicare from defaulting on their obligations to current retirees, while also providing a sustainable program for future retirees, especially for the poor and sick.”
    Really? No “rotten wood of political expediency” here? Ryan is the Way and the Light?

    “Individual freedom is not optional. Neither is the choice between limited and unlimited government.”
    Notwithstanding your profound hatred of any emanating from legislation, it remains that even after the passage of the Social Securities Act and the Securities and Exchange Act of 1933 as well as the Civil Rights Act, Medicare Act, Medicaid Act, the Volker Rule, Glass Steagall and on and on, the United States was transformed into a Superpower and the wealthiest nation on Earth.

    Although your manifestos are generally enjoyable to read (for me), they remain an ideological monologue filled with absolutist positions.

  216. 216 1george1

    Any POSTINGS about BUDGET HEARINGS?

  217. 217 jezebel282

    George,

    Public Hearing
    Start time: 7:00 PM 4/13/11
    Location: Bunnell High School

  218. 218 1george1

    Jeze + readers
    The next night SHS

    Public service bought to you by Jeze + George

    “a truly odd couple!”

  219. 219 portia1776

    jfahan37,

    I must begin by thanking you once moe for a thoughtful and fair-minded response (for those wondering, I’m referring to this: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/im-melting-call-my-lawyer/#comment-16481 ).

    We don’t have a different take insofar as the assertion that ideology (sorry Jez!) should play a role in foreign affairs. I think we may even agree that the exceptional ideology of America’s founding, classical liberalism, with its assertion of the inherent and inalienable individual rights of every human being (sorry Jez!), should shape US policy toward the world.

    The “Realism” of the Kissinger-Brzezinski-Baker school has proven a.) antithetical to American values as set forth in our Founding documents, and b.) despite its practitioners pretensions to pragmatic approaches, “realist” prescriptions were often harmful to genuine US interests at home and abroad.

    For example, it was strategically indefensible for the Nixon, Ford, and Carter administrations to exhibit moral cowardice in the face of Communist oppression, aggression, and expansionism.

    Low-lights from the 1970s include Henry “if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern” Kissinger trying to sabotage the movement to free Soviet Jewry (why, Jez, would they ever wish to flee the Worker’s Paradise?), Gerald “There is no Soviet dominance of Eastern Europe” Ford’s shunning of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (at Kissinger’s behest), and Jimmy “inordinate fear of communism” Carter’s support of “change” only so long as the country needing “change” was an imperiled non- or anti-communist ally.

    Our possible disagreement lies not in the need for a principled (sorry Jez!) outlook, but in the application of that principled outlook. One can support humanitarian intervention without surrendering carte blanche to the president to make war at a whim. Indeed, a supporter of humanitarian intervention should want congressional authorization in order to ensure that the American people are committed to seeing the effort through to victory. (Maybe if we defined what “victory” means…)

    The War Powers Act, passed in the wake of Vietnam, was meant to curtail presidential war-making. It sets forth three conditions -– a declaration of war, legislative authorization to use force, or imminent danger -– before force may be used. None of those conditions were met in the case of Libya. President Obama’s hypocrisy pales in comparison to his flagrant violation of the law. And note, the misdeeds of past presidents are not a justification for the multitude of misdeeds actively being committed by our current president.

    Obama’s flip-flop brings into perspective why we have good cause to legally circumscribe the “when and if” of intervention: 1.) If war is the friend of the State, it is best friends with the executive, 2.) the lives of American servicemen and women should not be risked heedlessly, 3.) no single person is trustworthy enough to have the ability to deploy the most awesome military force in the history of the world at will, regardless of how many notoriously fickle and corrupt foreign bodies (UN, Arab League) ask us to intervene, 4.) America’s capability to intervene does not make it right to do so or guarantee effectiveness (government planners are no wiser about conditions in Libya than they are when intervening in Detroit), and 5.) taxpayers must ultimately decide whether intervention is worthwhile through their elected representatives. American taxpayers, not the UN or Arab League, are paying the bills.

    In further response:

    “We (the West) departed from this paradigm” -– When did “we” vote on that? Americans have traditionally tended to be non-interventionist (going back to Washington) and a large segment of the population were and remain isolationist. President Obama received the support of anti-war activists (isolationists and pacifists) and ran on a leftist “realist” platform. Lucky for him, the majority of anti-war activists only seem to hate wars initiated by the other guy.

    “because of the atrocities of the Holocaust and Rwanda and so forth. The move was from respecting sovereign right to that of intervention and Intervention in ohh let’s see Bosnia, Iraq, …Libya .” –- Despite the Holocaust (for which the term genocide was coined) and the promise of the United Nations to “never again” allow mass atrocities, nothing was done to stop the Communist democides in Cambodia (Killing Fields) or China (Mao’s Great Leap Forward).

    Where was the international “community” when Saddam Hussein was committing mass murder?

    Despite the memory of Rwanda, where the UN blue helmets failed to protect civilians, nothing was done to stop the Sudanese government’s ethnic cleaning campaign in Darfur, vicious conflicts in other African countries (unless you count the UN “peacekeepers” who raped and robbed refuges), and nary is a word uttered about North Korea’s operation of gulags and gas chambers (see: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/feb/01/northkorea ).

    Despite decades of Qaddafi oppressing Libyans, the Qaddafi regime was in recent memory elected to chair the UN human rights commission, was a member in good standing of the Arab League, and President Obama warmly embraced Qaddafi, as he has so many bloodstained dictators of a certain political persuasion (happy Jez?!).

    The possible atrocities that may have occurred in Libya had the US not intervened are incomparable to any of the aforementioned and wretched examples of collectivism in action (sorry Jez!).

    Putting the legal argument aside, it seems morally obtuse to intervene in Libya and not, say, North Korean, where human rights violations many magnitudes greater than Gaddafi’s tribal warfare occur daily.

    “The idea to protect has taken over self determination.” – Who decided that? Who is to enforce this “decision”? Which country volunteers to commit its soldiers to every other country requiring regime change? Or is the idea only that certain countries and the UN bureaucracy wish to sacrifice American men and women at American taxpayers’ expense to further their own narrow interests?

    R2P or the Responsibility to Protect is a dangerously absurd concept. Individuals, not countries, have responsibilities. And self-respecting individuals within a free country should never subordinate their rights to any body that they have not freely elected.

    “American Exceptionalism of course plays a part in all of this.” – We are only exceptional insofar as we remain true to our exceptional ideology, classical liberalism (sorry Jez!), and the American experiment in limited government and individual liberty that the Founders uniquely brought forth in history. President Obama and R2P seek to place our armed forces and national credit card beyond the control of the American people they are supposed to serve. This is profoundly anti-constitutional and a disturbing precedent for the future.

    I will leave you with a summation by George Will:

    “Explaining his decision to wage war, Obama said Gaddafi has ‘lost the confidence of his own people and the legitimacy to lead.’ Such meretricious boilerplate seems designed to anesthetize thought. When did Gaddafi lose his people’s confidence? When did he have legitimacy? American doctrine – check the Declaration of Independence – is that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. So there are always many illegitimate governments. When is it America’s duty to scrub away these blemishes on the planet? Is there a limiting principle of humanitarian interventionism? If so, would Obama take a stab at stating it?”

  220. 220 portia1776

    Jez,

    “I have a feeling my responses will be much shorter than yours” – That is our loss. I would have liked, for example, to see you respond to my GE post above.

    “And what I am saying is that providing programs is not an encroachment of your individual liberty.” – If Jimmy Miron came to your door and asked for a campaign contribution, would you give it to him? What if, after Jimmy said you must or he will have you arrested, you capitulated because you knew you had no choice. While that certainly sounds implausible, that is essentially what one of your beloved government programs, public campaign financing, enabled him to do.

    Miron legally stole money from you and me and every taxpayer in Connecticut. We didn’t have a choice, unless you consider imprisonment for tax delinquency a reasonable option. I don’t know about you, but I have better ideas for how to spend the fruits of my labor than paying (in part) for over $5,000 of Miron’s “consulting for marketing communications” with his girlfriend, $29,545.88 for “direct mail fees, produciton [sic] and postage” costs of a Democratic Party campaign firm, and $2,094.83 for fake Miron campaign supporters (“Fees for wages for temp workers for election day visibility”).

    Each dollar taken from a taxpayer to support immoral and unconstitutional programs like CT’s public financing scheme is a dollar less they can use to pursue their own happiness.

    “Because that is essentially full employment.” – You’ll have to explain the math whereby full employment can mean anything less than 100% of able bodied individuals who want to work being able to find work, as they were when the American economy could aspire to being called lassiez faire.

    Thank you for the admission that the bailout, stimuli, and interventionist polices of Presidents Bush and Obama have failed. You didn’t say that? Well, what then are we to make of the CBO’s projection that unemployment will never be less than 2% again? The best we can hope for is an official rate of 5% by 2014. And, as we both know, the government’s formula under-counts joblessness, so the actual number will be significantly higher.

    “Unemployment compensation inevitably leads to gas chambers?” – Unemployment compensation? Of course not. Bet you knew that before asking this obfuscating query.

    My point was that when the government guarantees employment, the results are… well, why don’t you name a country where everyone is/was guaranteed a remunerative job by the government without said government becoming a tyranny? Bonus points if the people there were/are not living in abject poverty compared to freer economies?

    Professor Richard Siegel notes that “The collapse of Marxist-Leninist regimes in Eastern and Central Europe has produced both a practical and ideological retreat from full employment and the right to employment. It was argued in Pravda in March 1988 that ‘Looking back at the false “welfare” notions of social protections and full employment that prevailed in the period of stagnation and leveling, and that allowed a fair number of people to take life easy, will carry us backward to stagnation, shortages and hard times.”

    If you care to disagree, Jez, that would put your supposedly “non-ideological” position to the ideological left of the Soviet Union’s paper of record.

    “Really?” – If we continue down the road of unlimited government, what is to stop our politicians and bureaucrats from acting just like politicians and bureaucrats throughout time have acted in lands unfettered by constitutional limits on their power? Please, Jez, enlighten us with an answer to how absolute power does not corrupt absolutely?

    “In your opinion.” – Professor Horwitz’s anti-poverty agenda would objectively benefit the poor. At this point, and for shame, I must consider your silence on the question to be opposition to allowing poor individuals the right to climb the socio-economic ladder.

    As for the “disabling” nature of the polices you champion, consider these “extreme” words:

    “The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America…. The Federal Government must and shall quit this business of relief.

    I am not willing that the vitality of our people be further sapped by the giving of cash, of market baskets, of a few hours of weekly work cutting grass, raking leaves or picking up papers in the public parks. We must preserve not only the bodies of the unemployed from destitution but also their self-respect, their self-reliance and courage and determination.”

    Those lines are from President F.D. Roosevelt’s 2nd State of the Union. (Of course his argument against federal intervention raises a question as to why Roosevelt’s policies did dole our more, not less, national government “narcotic”).

    “Actually, you can’t.” – Really? Jez, when did you and reality get separated?

    “Do you even know who supplied your last tank of gas? Do you know which farm produce your last gallon of milk? Do you know who owns your insurance company? Your mortgage? And where, exactly, did those chicken nuggets come from anyway?” – LOL. 1.) we generally don’t need to because the profit-motive in the free market incentivizes companies to compete for each of our purchasing dollars – and those that kill, hurt, mistreat, or defraud their workers or customers can’t count on return business, and 2.) As a conscious consumer, I actually do know all of those things, right down to where the good people at Farmer’s Cow… milk the cows (http://www.thefarmerscow.com/ctfamily_farms.html).

    “Unfortunately for all of us, you are dreadfully wrong about that.” – Jez, I thought you were just separated. Did you and reality get divorced?! If not, I hope the differences are no irreconcilable.

    “And you continue to be wrong about that.” – In that case, I want you to pay me for a bridge in Brooklyn. Remember “actually, you can’t” refuse. And, after all, I’m “entitled” to a profit. I demand that you make prompt payment like a good mindless automaton. Don’t make me go to the trouble of putting a commercial on TV because then you will really have to helplessly obey.

    “It is inappropriate to label the barrel ‘toxic’ if it is not.” – It is illistrative to think of collectivism in terms of cigarettes. One puff (regulation) won’t do much harm to the body (economy). One cigarette (law) or even a pack (program) certainly won’t kill you. But if you keep on smoking, and nicotine (government welfare) is known to be addictive, some nasty things will start to happen.

    You might not be able to climb stairs without getting out of breath — sort of like how the European welfare states have permanently sluggish economies and high unemployment rates, prompting the smarter ones, such as Sweden, to restore economic growth via market and trade liberalization.

    Undoubtedly your clothes will reek of fumes — sort of like how Soviet Russia nad the Eastern Bloc were unprecedentedly besotted and polluted under socialist environmental planning.

    Your voice could become raspy — sort of like how socialists suffocate free speech and civil liberties in every single country where they have ever achieved power.

    And, if you keep on smoking, more devastating and permanent harm could result — sort of like how after decades of denial, the socialist system in the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions, though not soon enough for its millions of slaves.

    “The metaphor breaks down when you compare the physical world to the theoretical world.” – Certain ideologies are toxic. It is disingenuous of you to claim otherwise. But, if you persist, please explain the physical world difference between the fascism of Hitler and the socialism of Stalin, and why one or the other (or both) did not create collectivist regimes?

    “There are 80 families (that we know of) that did not know he would simply steal their money.” – I did not say ALL potential customers. There were people spreading the word not to deal with Dick Miron, as there were potential customers who refused to deal with him because they had been warned. Miron did not have a monument monopoly. I happen to know the owner of one of his honest competitors. She went out of her way to help some of the families Miron victimized.

    I think we would both agree that there should have been media attention and a prosecution much earlier than either materialized. I have already speculated on why neither was forthcoming. And, I would remind you, that Lakeview is a prime example of government failure because it is a primary function of Constitutional, limited government to uphold the law and ensure an impartial judiciary.

    “Newtonian ideology? Really?” – Yes, Newton developed his ideas and values into a comprehensive worldview that governed his understanding or reality and actions — or, in other words, Newton had an ideology. But don’t take my word for it. A quick Google Search reveals 93 scholarly articles, 425 books, and 1,110 web pages that contain the phrase “Newtonian ideology.” Do you consider those results just my opinion?

    “That’s the first time I’ve heard it referred to as an ‘ideology’.” – Thus beginith the lesson.

    “But then again, it only applies on this planet, doesn’t it?” – Well, no, Newton discovered universal laws that are applicable everywhere. F=ma is not subject to interpretation or an alternative leftish or rightist version of reality. Dr. Alan Sokal has mordantly offered “anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.)” Those trying to transcend the laws of economics, the possibility of truth in history, and the core insights of political theory have fared even worse.

    “Let’s us remember that also contained in her box was ‘hope’” – There is always someone offering “hope.” Hitler offered “hope” to Germans, Lenin and Stalin offered “hope” to Russians, Pol Pot offered “hope” to Cambodians. Remind me of the results of each of their “hope and change” collectivist regimes?

    The real question is “hope” in what? There are only two choices: the individual or the Big Brother State. One leads to peace, prosperity, and progress while the other leads to war, poverty, and stagnation. Guest which is which?

    “’Wrong’? ‘Right?’ Are we talking about empirical data or value judgements? Make up your mind.” – Both. Sorry if I have offended your moral relativist and anti-empiricist ears (wait, I thought you were non-ideological?) Collectivism does not work in theory, and it is absolutely deadly in practice.

    Since I know you disdain “theory,” why don’t you review the quantitative studies of Professor R.J. Rummel.

    His life’s work is trying to explain how it was that approxametly170 million people were “murdered in cold-blood by governments, well over three-quarters by absolutist regimes” in the 20th century. His findings substantiated that “The more arbitrary power a regime has, the less democratic it is, the more likely it will kill its subjects or foreigners. The conclusion is that power kills, absolute power kills absolutely.”

    And, according to Prof. Rummel, the death toll of communism, “the greatest social engineering experiment we have ever seen,” is unsurpassed: “…Marxism-Leninism and its variants–meant in practice bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal gulags and forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and show trials, and genocide. It is also widely known that as a result millions of innocent people have been murdered in cold blood. Yet there has been virtually no concentrated statistical work on what this total might be.” That is until Prof. Rummel ran the numbers, which are published in his books and even freely available on his website for anyone who cares to know the truth. See: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

    “If we did not live each day within a collectivist system (the family unit), the infant mortality rate would be astronomical” – Oh, ok, you don’t know the meaning of the word “collectivism.” Now I feel a little better.

    The Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary Tenth Edition defines “Collectivism: [as] a political or economic theory advocating collective control esp. over production and distribution; also: a system marked by such control.” The Encarta World English Dictionary helpfully provides the following synonyms for “collectivism”: “communism, socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism, communalism, syndicalism, anarcho-syndicalism, Maoism.”

    Why, Jez, do you keep claiming to be “non-ideological” while simultaneously espousing the theoretical talking points of failed ISMs past?

    “Collectivism in some circumstances is more efficient and individualism is more efficient in others.” – The voluntary social cooperation of free individuals within the free market (i.e., individualism) can be more efficient than a single individual working alone. This is called the division of labor, something which Marx disdained and socialism is philosophically against. What you fail to understand is that collectivism, by definition and in practice, requires coercion and government control.

    “I happen to think along a continuum” – that apparently extends all the way from Paul “the real solution… is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes” Krugman to Castro, and from Castro to the Khmer Rouge. Yes, I’m aware of the leftist continuum from power-hungry “Progressives” to rapacious Reds.

    “You are not paid to take care of your child. You child does not pay you anything to receive care from you (except maybe to smile or take a nap).” – Paid in money? No. “Paid” in love? Well, that is for individuals with children to judge whether the opportunity costs were worthwhile. I suspect their answer is subject to prevailing conditions 😉

    “Worker freedom?” – It’s so awful!!! Each worker will have to decide all by themselves if they do or do not want to join a union!!! That is so complicated!!! But it gets worse!!! If they choose to join the union, they have to pay dues directly to the union!!! How will the public employees ever survive such oppression?!!!

    “Arbeit Macht Frei?” – Yes, Scott Walker is rounding up teachers and putting them in concentration camps. As we speak, the Mendota is running red with union members’ blood.

    Let me guess, you are a “product” of government monopoly schools? Or, are you just regurgitating the party line of the Ministry of Truth: “War is peace. Freedom is slavery”?

    Speaking of which: “In the classic novel ‘1984’, author George Orwell describes a not-too-distant future where an oppressive totalitarian elite has perfected a system of social control based on perpetual warfare, manipulation of perceived reality, and total surveillance of the population. The servile obedience of the bureaucracy and the mindless poverty of the masses keeps them in power.”

    The book within the book, written by party heretic Emmanuel Goldstein, describes how “It had long been realized that the only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism. Wealth and privilege are most easily defended when they are possessed jointly. The so-called ‘abolition of private property’ meant in effect the concentration of property in far fewer hands than before…with the result, foreseen and intended beforehand, that economic inequality has been made permanent (http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FreedomIsSlavery ).”

    Sure, Jez, the Big Brother State of 1984 sounds nothing like our own. And oligarchic collectivism is just a label, right Jez?

    “No ‘rotten wood of political expediency’ here?” – Of course there is. I wrote above that Ryan is not nearly radical enough. Why does he cut, rather than eliminate, farm subsidies? Why does he reduce “premium supports” for future wealthy Medicare recipients rather than eliminating them? Why does his budget not include deeper DoD cuts? Why does he not call of the elimination of several federal agencies, including the DoEs (Energy and Education)?

    The answer is a word you like quite a bit: “compromise.” While brave, Ryan pulls his punches in deference to political circumstance. The Ryan budget is certainly not enough to undo the tremendous damage wrought to our liberty and economy by Presidents Bush and Obama. Costs will continue to exceed revenues… wait, accounting has a classical liberal bias, too.

    “Notwithstanding your profound hatred of any emanating from legislation,” – Any what? Freedom? Freedom emanates from the individual, not government. Government derives its just powers from the consent of individuals. Now why would such a “non-ideological” person say individuals are subservient to government? In your telling, we should be Oliver Twist, begging of bureaucrats and politicians “Please, sir, I want some more freedom.” That may be your servile wish; it is definitely not mine.

    “it remains that even after the passage of the Social Securities Act and the Securities and Exchange Act of 1933 as well as the Civil Rights Act, Medicare Act, Medicaid Act, the Volker Rule, Glass Steagall and on and on, the United States was transformed into a Superpower and the wealthiest nation on Earth.” – ROFLMAO! Correlation is not causation, Jez. The US was a great power long before any of the legislation you mentioned was passed. The US became a superpower long before Medicare, and the country’s ascension to that status had absolutely nothing to do with Social Security.

    As a practical matter, the empirical evidence shows that the American economy experienced its greatest period of growth and individual American prosperity increased fastest when a.) the national government was at its smallest and b.) the market was at its freest.

    “Although your manifestos are generally enjoyable to read (for me), they remain an ideological monologue…” – Strange. The University of Colorado and Associated Press show that the NASA shuttle program cost “$1.5 billion per launch” while space entrepreneur Elon Musk of Space X is able to launch rockets that have over 2 times the capacity of the shuttle into space for a cost of “about $100 million each.” Competing aerospace firms have charged the Air Force “about $435 million” for each launch. So Musk’s rocket is cheaper and better than the former government space monopoly (NASA) as well as older aerospace companies (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110406/ap_on_sc/us_sci_space_x_rocket). Isn’t that awful, “unfair” competition!!! We really need to put an end to this privatization ideology!!!

    Face it Jez, it is indisputably true that individual innovators and consumers in the free market will always deliver better results than government control, whether in education, space travel, food, or health care because individual liberty objectively works. It is what Adam Smith described as “the obvious and simple system of natural liberty establishe[d]… of its own accord.” To deny this inconvenient truth is to embrace an illiberal ideology opposed to reason and reality.

    Unfortunately, as Professor Boudreaux observed: “one can neither reason nor empirically demonstrate people out of positions that they reached without reason or empirical support.” I can only continue to abjure you to take off the “non-ideological” – i.e., leftish ideological — rose colored glasses that render your vision myopic when it comes to politics and economics on the national level.

  221. 221 portia1776

    Pop Quiz 1: http://www.politopia.com/quiz_index.php
    Pop Quiz 2: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

    Which part of Politopia do you call home? George, it will be interesting to see where you reside. Jez, I know you deny the map exists, but can you play along? The second quiz is known as the “world’s shortest political quiz.” Once you have posted your results, I will share mine.

  222. 222 jezebel282

    Portia:

    “SW- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as “liberals,” “left-wing liberals,” “civil libertarians,” “democratic socialists,” “egalitarians,” or “anarcho-socialists.”

    The other quiz would not give me a grade.

  223. 223 1george1

    Portia + JF,

    Sometimes we agree and sometimes not.

    We can agree on sentiments and/or means, yet disagree on some
    contributing facts, upon which conclusions or positions were based.

    I have a different view of world and american history and the front
    men/women who are ascribed prominence, than … well anyone
    (ref: allegory of the cave)

    No time to pop quiz now.

  224. 224 portia1776

    GEO — I like your reference to the allegory of the cave!

    Jez — See, that wasn’t so hard.

    My Politopia residence, to the north of Jez: “NW-You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as ‘classical liberals,’ ‘libertarians,’ ‘market liberals,’ ‘old whigs,’ ‘objectivists,’ ‘propertarians,’ ‘agorists,’ or ‘anarcho-capitalist.'”

    Here are the results from the other:

    “Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%

    Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%

    According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is…

    Libertarian

    Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.”

    I’m disappointed with the 90%. Turns out, I’m not such an absolutist after all.

  225. 225 sudds

    “I’m disappointed with the 90%. Turns out, I’m not such an absolutist after all.”

    CLEARLY there was a flaw when tabulating your results!!! 😛

  226. 226 1george1

    PORTIA: GEO — I like your reference to the allegory of the cave!

    GEORGE: If town council chair allowed 5 full minutes per speaker
    instead of 3 minutes and/or used the same rules the Board of Ed
    has posted on their website about ADDED 5 MINUTES for PUBLIC
    SPEAKERS, I could have referenced

    “allegory of the cave” aka FRED FLINSTONE supporting LIBRARY and
    SCHOOLS on MONDAY.

  227. 227 portia1776

    Sudds,

    “CLEARLY there was a flaw when tabulating your results!!! :razz” – THANKS! Where is the Sudds homestead on Politopia?

    GEO,

    “No time to pop quiz now.” – They are both short, but the second is the SHORTEST political quiz in the world. Don’t keep us waiting in suspense!

    In honor of President Obama’s (increase government controls and taxes and the) debt speech:

    “Let me tell you how it will be,
    There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
    ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    Should 5% appear too small,
    Be thankful I don’t take it all.
    ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
    If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat,
    If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat,
    If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
    ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    Don’t ask me what I want it for…
    If you don’t want to pay some more…
    ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    Now my advice for those who die,
    Declare the pennies on your eyes,
    ‘Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    And you’re working for no one but me.”

    ~ The Beatles “Taxman”

  228. 228 1george1

    PORTIA: Cause I’m the Taxman,
    Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

    GEO: Clever Parody.
    Could you forward to the Town Council, especially the
    dominating Mr. Malloy, who indirectly took a very bad
    beating tonight at the BUDGET HEARING?

    ——

    PORTIA: “No time to pop quiz now.” –
    They are both short, but the second is the SHORTEST
    political quiz in the world. Don’t keep us waiting in suspense!

    GEO: I took a quick peek at the first page of each Quiz.
    I choose not to play …. someone else’s game…..

    It reminded me of Lawyer’s trick of asking certain predetermined
    questions, in order to create their desired result ….

  229. 229 ronmoreau

    Portia,

    I took both polls.

    #1 NW

    #2 In the bull @ 3:15.

    Loaded questions but I answered them as best I could, as requested.

    If there was a, None of the above…..?

  230. 230 ronmoreau

    Portia,

    Revolver. Great LP.

    Abbie Road was my favorite.

  231. 231 ronmoreau

    Or was that Abbey Road?

  232. 232 1george1

    RON:
    Loaded questions but I answered them as best I could, as requested.
    If there was a, None of the above…..?

    GEORGE: I did not like the constraints, nor framework, which is why
    I choose not to play. I second Ron’s astute observations/comments.

  233. 233 portia1776

    A few things to keep in mind this Obama-Taxing Weekend:

    “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” — Hillary Clinton

    “We’ll invest in medical research and clean energy technology. We’ll invest in new roads and airports and broadband access. We will invest in education and job training. We will do what we need to compete and we will win the future.” — Barrack “Huey Long” Obama

    “Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frédéric Bastiat

    “Today’s ‘progressives’ want to expand political control of incomes even more. They call it “social justice” but you could call it Rumpelstiltskin and it would still mean politicians deciding how much money each of us can be allowed to have…. Lofty talk about ‘social justice’ or ‘fairness’ boils down to greatly expanded powers for politicians, since those pretty words have no concrete definition. They are a blank check for creating disparities in power that dwarf disparities in income — and are far more dangerous.” — Professor Thomas Sowell

    28 of the 47 ways to say “IRS.”

    “Income Reducing Service
    Idiots Ruin Savings
    Incalculable Riches Stolen
    Inalienable Rights Squelched
    Intellectually Rationalized Stealing
    Income Redistribution Scheme
    Idiots Rule, Suckers!
    Incompetents Robbing Society
    Irredeemably Ruthless Scoundrels
    Investment Reduction Service
    Insidious Rent Seekers
    It’s Really Stealing
    Infernal Rapscallion Syndicate
    Institutionalized Robbery and Swindle
    Inconspicuously Ransacking Salaries
    Introducing Road to Serfdom
    Idiotic Rampaging Statism
    Impeding Retirement Savings
    It Really Sucks
    Institute for Radical Socialism
    Inhibiting Real Solvency
    Insolent Revenue Snatchers
    Inflation + Redistribution = Scarcity
    Intimidate. Regulate. Subjugate.
    Instituting Regulatory Servitude
    Indefinite Racketeering Scam
    Income Redistribution’s Soldiers
    Inserting Rectal Statism”

    via http://reason.com/blog/2011/04/16/reasontv-especially-for-tax-da

  234. 234 portia1776

    “More than 3,000 federal tax crimes were referred for prosecution in 2010, and a few of them happened have an elected official as the defendant. With Tax Day coming up, The Daily Beast scours the records to find whether Democrats or Republicans have the worse tax problem….

    The verdict? Turns out Republicans have the bigger names… but Democrats have the most tax scandals by a margin of 18 to 7….

    Republicans and Tea Partiers tend to shout the loudest when it comes to tax reform, and they’re also the most law abiding—when it comes to paying their taxes, anyway (For methodology: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-04-15/the-daily-beast-ranks-the-party-democratic-or-republican-with-the-most-tax-cheats/?om_rid=NIi-Df&om_mid=_BNqJzRB8aU2hHC# ).”

  235. 235 jezebel282

    From George:

    WIKIPEDIA:

    Nietzsche began his career as a classical philologist
    before turning to philosophy.

    Nietzsche’s influence remains substantial within and beyond philosophy,
    notably in existentialism, nihilism, and postmodernism.

    His style and radical questioning of the value and objectivity of truth
    have resulted in much commentary and interpretation, mostly in the
    continental tradition.

    His key ideas include the death of God, perspectivism, the Übermensch,
    the eternal recurrence, and the will to power.

    Central to his philosophy is the idea of “life-affirmation,”
    which involves an honest questioning of all doctrines
    that drain life’s expansive energies,

    however socially prevalent those views might be.

    Malachi “Buck” Mulligan: James Joyce’s novel Ulysses, fictional character.

    Mulligan is an avid classicist and espouses the belief that Ireland
    ought to be “Hellenized”.

    [Each of ulysses’s 18 chapters refer to Greek myth / literature.]

    His speeches contain a barrage of quotations from poets
    (notably Swinburne and Whitman), popular songs,

    and self-composed lines of parody and ribaldry.

    He also seems to admire the philosophy of Nietzsche,
    referring to himself as a “hyperborean”
    and (more facetiously) “the Ubermensch.”

    He expresses disdain for the Celtic Revival when in the company of
    Stephen Dedalus, but is socially active in Dublin’s literary circles.

    [Daedalus was the mythical father of Icarus.]

  236. 236 1george1

    I am not a fan of Nietzsche and some others I quote.

    However it is interesting to read information and see what it looks like
    out of original context and in combined context.

    PORTIA, CHRIS and JEZE are better educated than I am.
    I would be CURIOUS IF they read the above and thought about the
    the subliminal effects on cultures and people.

    During the Reagan years, the CIA / INTELLIGENCE Community made it
    a point of referencing all forms of ART + MYTH on world leaders.
    > Pottery + archiology artificts
    > Hieroglyphics to writing
    > oral history (no sudds), fables, fairy tales.

    Joseph Campbell & Allan Bloom / Leo Strauss = counter intuitive reading
    of History, where praise of Western Civics savagery, was really ridicule?

    Far too many highly educated people can misuse (my oipinion) their
    education, which was the purpose I posted the above as it relates
    to Stratford and USA

  237. 237 1george1

    Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of “Rum” or
    “Fifteen Men on A Dead Man’s Chest” originally entitled “Derelict”
    was used in the play Treasure Island in 1901.
    The first verse was written by Robert Lewis Stevenson for his book:
    “Treasure Island”.
    The Original song title was “Derelict” and in 1901 was used in a play
    “Treasure Island” more lyrics added by Young Ewing Allison 1891.

    ‘Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle Of Rum’

    Fifteen men on a dead man’s chest
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
    Drink and the devil had done for the rest
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    The “mate” was fixed by the “bosun’s pike”
    The “bosun brained” with a marlinspike
    And “cookey’s throat” was marked belike
    It had been gripped by fingers ten;

    And there they lay, all good dead men

    Like break o’day in a boozing ken.
    ? Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    Fifteen men of the whole ship’s list
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    Dead and be damned and the rest gone whist!
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    The “skipper lay” with his “nob in gore”
    Were the “scullion’s axe” his cheek had shore
    And the scullion he was stabbed times four
    And there they lay, and the soggy skies
    Dripped down in up-staring eyes

    In murk sunset and foul sunrise
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    Fifteen men of ’em stiff and stark
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    Ten of the crew had the murder mark!
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    Twas a “cutlass swipe” or an “ounce of lead”
    Or a “yawing hole in a battered head”
    And the “scuppers’ glut with a rotting red”
    And there they lay, aye, damn my eyes

    Looking up at paradise
    All souls bound just contrariwise
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    Fifteen men of ’em good and true
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    Ev’ry man jack could ha’ sailed with Old Pew,
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    There was chest on chest of Spanish gold
    With a ton of plate in the middle hold
    And the cabins riot of stuff untold,
    And they lay there that took the plum
    With sightless glare and their lips struck dumb

    While we shared all by the rule of thumb,
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    More was seen through a sternlight screen…
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

    Chartings undoubt where a woman had been
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    Twas a flimsy shift on a bunker cot
    With a dirk slit sheer through the bosom spot
    And the lace stiff dry in a purplish blot
    Oh was she wench or some shudderin’ maid
    That dared the knife and took the blade

    By God! she had stuff for a plucky jade
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    Fifteen men on a dead man’s chest
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

    Drink and the devil had done for the rest
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

    We wrapped ’em all in a mains’l tight
    With twice ten turns of a hawser’s bight
    And we heaved ’em over and out of sight,
    With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and a fare-you-well
    And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell

    Ten fathoms deep on the road …. to hell,
    > Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    Heard passing M R C C on Midnight of FULL MOONS,
    when W E R E W O L V E S, pack

  238. 238 1george1

    Is this from the CHARLIE SHEEN school of self promotion?

    The demotion of Dilbert continues, no comic relief for creator
    By Joe Pompeo

    There appears to be a growing epidemic of cranky creative types
    taking to the Internet to defend themselves from amateur critics.

    Some are shameless in their self-promotion; others operate under
    the veil of anonymity.

    Until they get busted, that is. This is what happened to Dilbert
    creator Scott Adams last week, in a public humiliation storyline t
    hat would suit a certain workplace drone comic strip character
    of his own creation. Adams was revealed to have been using an
    “online pseudonym” to bash message board users who did not
    have nice things to say about him.

    (sound like people we know?)

    In a world in which more and more celebrities are breaking down
    the digital barriers between famous and fan, the incident served
    to underscore the temptation, ease–and risk–of becoming your
    own biggest booster online.

    The backstory: An individual posting as “PlannedChaos” recently
    rushed to the defense of Adams on the website MetaFilter,
    where users were panning the much-derided cartoonist,
    calling his intelligence into question.
    Gawker, in a post last Friday, outlined some of the suspiciously
    vigorous vindications.

    Exhibit A: “He has a certified genius I.Q.”
    Exhibit B: “Is it Adams’ enormous success at self-promotion that
    makes you jealous and angry?”
    Exhibit C: “It’s fair to say you disagree with Adams. But you can’t
    rule out the hypothesis that you’re too dumb to understand what
    he’s saying.”

    (NO comment)

    Alas, the MetaFilter users eventually called PlannedChaos out,
    and Adams confessed that he was indeed behind the mask.
    But that wasn’t the last of it.

    Adams published a lengthy justification of his actions on his own
    website Monday afternoon in the form of a Q&A with PlannedChaos.

    “According to the wise and fair denizens of the Internet,”
    Adams wrote, “this behavior is proof that I am a thin-skinned, troll
    … ego maniac … misogynist,”
    and a number of other epithets not fit for publication on this website.
    “That list might sound bad to you,” he continued,
    “but keep in mind that I was starting from a pretty low base,
    so I think my reputation is trending up.”

    He then proceeded to offer some “proper context” for the scandal.

    “Obviously an alias can be used for evil just as easily as it can be used
    to clear up simple factual matters.
    A hammer can be used to build a porch or
    it can be used to crush your neighbor’s skull.
    (Hmmmmm?)
    Don’t hate the tool,” he wrote.
    “The next thing to consider is that in my line of work,
    some types of rumors can cause economic damage
    to hundreds of people in the so-called value chain.

    The stakes are high.

    I know from experience that when a rumor flares up that says,
    for example, I’m affiliated with one particular interest group or
    another, the people who hate that group
    will stop reading Dilbert comics.”

    You can read Adams’ entire rant here. But not everyone’s buying it.

    “Keep digging, Adams,” says Gawker’s Adrian Chen.

    Mary Elizabeth Williams of Salon offers a more analytical take.

    “Anyone can be anyone on the Internet, and for many,
    anonymity offers a freedom and safety necessary for
    self-expression,” she writes.

    “But when someone deliberately misrepresents himself,
    because he claims his own adoring ‘invisible friend’ is an
    ‘unbiased messenger,’
    when he lies about who he is because it’s ‘fun’ playing
    the ‘vigilante,’ it’s a profound statement of cynicism
    about the nature of online community
    and contempt for his readers.”

    (Marcio Jose Sanchez/AP)

    (I suspect the Play write could name names and kick butt)

  239. 239 1george1

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama exacted his revenge Saturday after weeks of attacks from his would-be Republican challenger Donald Trump, joking that the billionaire businessman could bring change to the White House, transforming it from a stately mansion into a tacky casino with a whirlpool in the garden.

    (Why not? Wall Street casinos already own it!)

    With Trump in attendance, Obama used the White House Correspondents’ Association annual dinner to mock the reality TV star’s presidential ambitions.
    The president said Trump has shown the acumen of a future president, from
    firing Gary Busey on a recent episode of “Celebrity Apprentice” to focusing so much time on conspiracy theories about Obama’s birthplace.

    (Wasn’t Busey in the Bush Cabinet? Wasn’t he the one who dreamed up WMD?)

    After a week when Obama released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate, he said Trump could now focus on the serious issues, from whether the moon landing actually happened to “where are Biggie and Tupac?”

    (“Biggie and Tupac?” – Oh… he meant Pluto-crat Idi Amin and Kha-daffy duck?)
    (Moon Landing? Lunar see or is that lunacy?)

    “No one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than ‘the Donald,'” Obama said, referring to Trump’s claims the same day that he was responsible for solving the issue.

    (Stratford had my buddy Mike Singh, before the Bama birthers!)

    For Trump’s decision to fire actor Busey instead of rock singer Meat Loaf from his TV show earlier this month, Obama quipped: “These are the types of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir.”

    (Busey theme song, from meat loaf? “It’s all coming back to me now.”)
    (Trump theme song, from meat loaf? “I’d lie for you.” “Nothing saced.”)

    And then, as a coup de grace, Obama showed a screen with his vision of how Trump could bring change to the White House. “Trump” was prominently displayed in glittery letters and girls could be seen with cocktails on a Jacuzzi-augmented front lawn.

    (Actually, put the signs over Congress: “The Brits had a (T)Rump Parliament.”)

    Trump chuckled at some of the earlier jokes, but was clearly less amused as comedian Seth Meyers picked up where Obama left off.

    (T-rump’s been on the WWE with the hair cut scam … he can act … a little)

    “Donald Trump often talks about running as a Republican, which is surprising,”
    said the Saturday Night Live actor, entrusted with providing some of the comedy for the evening. “I just assumed he was running as a joke.”

    (Is it true, Trump just wants to scam the matching funds … like … ummm?)

    Trump stared icily at Meyers as he continued to criticize the real estate tycoon.

    (ooooooh.)

    Obama and Trump found themselves in the same room after an intense week of attacks from Trump, who has piggybacked on the birther conspiracies and even Obama’s refusal to release his university grades to raise the profile of his possible presidential bid.

    (Pretty convenient to unleash critical attacks 2 weeks before the party?)

    And the birth certificate was clearly the key punchline for the evening, which typically offers the president a chance to show off his humorous side and a town consumed by politics and partisanship to enjoy a light-hearted affair.

    (Paid for by you and I, and Big Oil, also paid by you and I)

    Obama’s presentation started after the wrestler Hulk Hogan’s patriotic anthem, “Real American,” played. Images of Americana from Mount Rushmore
    to Uncle Sam were shown on the screen,
    alongside his birth certificate.

    (Hey it kept unemployment and foreclures off the headlines)

    And then he offered to show his live birth video, which turned out to be
    a clip from the Disney film, “The Lion King.”

    (The renamed video about D. C. and politicians are “The LIAR KINGS.”)

    On the serious side, Obama took time to thank the troops for their service overseas and noted that the people of the South, especially Alabama, have suffered heart-wrenching losses.

    (Sadly some people are sooo poor that Hurricane Katrina and the Hurricane
    improved the appearances of their neighborhoods … Kidding.
    But if Bubba Bush was still President, F.E.M.A. would just now start to pretend
    to solve problems, like the BP Oil money paying the finance administrators and
    not relieving businesses and workers, to help them keep their homes?)

    “The devastation is unbelievable and it is heartbreaking,” he said. He encouraged the journalists in the room to help tell the stories of those who have been hurt by the storms and saluted those who lost their lives while covering the news.

    (My empathy to those who died and lost family)

    Other possible Republican presidential hopefuls in attendance were former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Rep. Michele Bachmann and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. And stars such as Sean Penn and Scarlett Johansson also were among the more than 2,500 people who attended.

    (Average Americans …?)

    The association was formed in 1914 as a liaison between the press and the president. Every president since Calvin Coolidge has attended the dinner. Some of the proceeds from the dinner pay for journalism scholarships for college students.

    (Who will investigate their patrons?)

  240. 240 1george1

    Osama Bin Laden dead.

    I do not rejoice in anyone’s death.
    I pray this leads to peace!

  241. 241 jezebel282

    George,

    “Osama Bin Laden dead.”

    Mission accomplished. Now let’s get the hell out of there.

  242. 242 sudds
  243. 243 1george1

    You know that 9 1 1 is the phone # to call for HELP.

    You know when a ship or plane or soldier needs HELP.
    He/she transmitts either S. O. S. or M A Y D A Y.

    Mayday is also known as MAY 1.

    OSAMA’S people attacked on 9 11.
    OSAMA + friends were attacked on MAY DAY.

    Regardless of the claims of burial at S E A
    being a MOSLEM Tradition.

    The military and politicians did not want a SHRINE
    for OSAMA like Muhammed has a MECCA.

    Instead they choose to pollute the ocean,
    where unsuspecting fish get to eat this poisoned character.

  244. 244 1george1

    EMAIL SENT TO ME:

    I am proud to keep this moving…it says it all!
    I hope this is one I see keep coming around!!!!!

    THERE ARE A SERIES of NINE CARTOONS,
    then there are these commentaries,
    intersperced with appropriate PHOTOS

    It is the
    VETERAN,
    not the preacher,
    who has given us freedom of religion.

    It is
    the VETERAN,
    not the reporter,
    who has given us freedom of the press.

    It is
    the VETERAN,
    not the poet,
    who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is
    the VETERAN,
    not the campus organizer,
    who has given us freedom to assemble.

    It is
    the VETERAN,
    not the lawyer,
    who has given us the right to a fair trial.

    It is
    the VETERAN,
    not the politician,
    Who has given us the right to vote.

    It is the
    VETERAN who
    salutes the Flag,
    (PICTURE of a PARADE
    – WHEEL CHAIR MAN STANDS
    as COLORS PASS
    – EVERYONE ELSE is SEATED!)

    (PICTURE of FLAG DRAPED COFFIN)
    ETERNAL REST GRANT THEM O LORD,
    AND LET PERPETUAL LIGHT SHINE UPON
    THEM.

    (I will email this to JEZE, as it has pictures
    which I am sure others would appreciate)

    I’d be EXTREMELY proud if this email reached
    as many as possible.
    We can be very proud of our young men and women
    in the service no matter where they serve.

    God Bless them all!!!

    Makes you proud to be an AMERICAN!!!!!

  245. 245 jezebel282

    From George,

    WHY “Y” > Did U. S. Attorneys, Judges, and local attorneys names end in “Y” ?

    U. S. Attorney StanleY TwardY
    U. S. Attorney Christopher DroneY
    U. S. Attorney Kari DooleY
    (Kari spelled backwards = IraK) or IraQ – RA IQ – 2 years B E F O R E 9 / 11
    U. S. Attorney NoRA DaughertY
    Judge Robert ChatigneY
    Esq. LarrY MerlY
    Esq. Joseph MerlY
    Esq. Kevin KellY

    I handed more than enough documentation to solve crimes to U. S. Attorney
    Kevin O’Conner, who is on Rudy Guiliani’s staff (another puppet putz of the
    Tammany Hall Jerry Finklestein FIXERS
    In front of WTNH Erin Cox + Mark Davis
    In front of Channel # 79
    In front of Channel # 3

    I love the name of the newest U. S. Attorney, who was one of 3 – 4 selected
    by Liplock Lieberman (look alike / role model to Senator Palpatine’) and
    Senator DoDD, sock puppet to D. O. D. machiavellain machinators ….

    DAVID FEIN, seems to be a harmless name right?
    However look at the anagram, which describes these treasonous scum
    > FEIN D avid or AVID FIEND …..

    What is anagram of Burturla? U R Brutal

    I worked for ALLOY Engineering.
    ALLOY was a precursor for the coming selections of
    m IRON
    m ALLOY, Tom
    m ALLOY, Dannel

    The only difference is I know I was being Manipulated!

    Sir Thomas More, a man for all seasons or a mocking local selection,
    because the power that are, know who and what they can …..

    Where is the gleo to add to IMBRO to make Imbroglio?

    The KNAPPS were POLICE CAPTAINS and historians
    The SIR PI CO police / judge drug culture were exposed by the KNAPP
    Commission, whose findings have been revised and contracted.

    —-

    GOD is WATCHING, Lyrics, by Paula Cole:

    Whether it be across that sea
    Kosove, Baghdad, Korea
    Or here at home, right under our fingertips
    In new slavery prison systems

    Holding one in four black American brothers
    The one percent wealthy profiteering
    From the business that is war
    Yeah, go to war

    God is watching us play our ghetto wars
    God is watching us play our games
    God is waiting for us to overcome
    God is wating for us to just love one another

    Whether we be cracker or black or
    Brown, red, yellow
    From the land of sky or sea
    We are family
    Wake up and see

    Our planet is a tiny atom in God’s kingdom
    It’s our only home
    A new millennium
    Can we all just get along?

    God is watching us play our ghetto wars
    God is watching us play our games
    God is waiting for us to overcome
    God is wating for us to just love one another

    ————-

    It is too bad James Durbin is off American Idol,
    because his song by MUSE: UPRISING

    The paranoia is in bloom, the PR
    The transmissions will resume
    They’ll try to push drugs
    Keep us all dumbed down and hope that
    We will never see the truth around
    (So come on!)

    Another promise, another scene, another
    A package not to keep us trapped in greed
    With all the green belts wrapped around our minds
    And endless red tape to keep the truth confined
    (So come on!)

    They will not force us
    They will stop degrading us
    They will not control us
    We will be victorious

    Interchanging mind control
    Come let the revolution take its toll if you could
    Flick the switch and open your third eye, you’d see that
    We should never be afraid to die
    (So come on!)

    Rise up and take the power back, it’s time that
    The fat cats had a heart attack, you know that
    Their time is coming to an end
    We have to unify and watch our flag ascend

    They will not force us
    They will stop degrading us
    They will not control us
    We will be victorious

    Hey .. hey … hey .. hey!

    They will not force us
    They will stop degrading us
    They will not control us
    We will be victorious

    Hey .. hey … hey .. hey!

    ———————

    It is too bad James Durbin is off American Idol,
    because he might have sung this song by
    BLACK SABBATH: WAR PIGS

    Generals gathered in their masses
    Just like witches at black masses
    Evil minds that plot destruction
    Sorcerers of death’s construction
    In the fields the bodies burning
    As the war machine keeps turning
    Death and hatred to mankind
    Poisoning their brainwashed minds
    Oh lord yeah!

    Politicians hide themselves away
    They only started the war
    Why should they go out to fight?
    They leave that role to the poor

    Time will tell on their power minds
    Making war just for fun
    Treating people just like ………… pawns in chess
    Wait ’til their judgement day comes
    Yeah!

    Now in darkness world stops turning
    Ashes where the bodies burning
    No more war pigs have the power
    Hand of God has struck the hour
    Day of judgement, God is calling
    On their knees the war pig’s crawling
    Begging mercy for their sins
    Satan laughing spreads his wings
    Oh lord yeah!

    ————–

    SUN TZU:

    Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness.
    Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness.
    Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.

    All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
    but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.

    For them to perceive the advantage of defeating the enemy,
    they must also have their rewards.

    Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive;
    plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live.
    When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory.

    It is only the enlightened ruler and the wise general
    who will use the highest intelligence of the army
    for the purposes of spying,
    and thereby they achieve great results.

    Of all those in the army close to the commander none is more intimate than the secret agent; of all rewards none more liberal than those given to secret agents; of all matters none is more confidential than those relating to secret operations.

    In the practical art of war,
    the best thing of all is to
    take the enemy’s country whole and intact;
    to shatter and destroy it is not so good.

    The general who advances
    without coveting fame
    and retreats without fearing disgrace,
    whose only thought is to protect his country
    and do good service for his sovereign,
    is the jewel of the kingdom.

    II Timothy – 2:3-4
    “You therefore must endure hardship as a g
    ood soldier of Jesus Christ.

    No one engaged in warfare entangles himself
    with the affairs of this life,
    that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.”

    What we Jewish People believe about the Ten Commandments
    is the covenant between God and the Israelites.

    The Ten Commandments were given to Moses atop Mount Sinai.

    If you would have at least read your Bible you would have known this.

    If Catholics, Christians, Masons, Shriners, and Moslems among others
    accept the 10 Commandments as God’s Law or at the very least good
    guidelines for proper social interactions, who would argue that each
    is not a branch of covenant, much the same as different branches of
    Jewish beliefs?

    Could there be human failure(s) in translation or interpretation?
    There have certainly been failures in implementations & practices. 😦

  246. 246 1george1

    Paula Cole, Muse, Black Sabbath against the BAD GUYS!

    Soldiers or Christ & the Judeo / Christian mensch for the GOOD GUYS!

    It’s a CONSPIRACY, I tell ya!
    A CONSPIRACY!

  247. 247 jezebel282

    From George,

    .

    Reason?
    AIR FORCE # 1 – BLACK HAWK – APACHE – COMANCHE – MOJAVE – CHICKASAW
    SEABAT / SEA HORSE – SEA KING – SEA HAWK / OCEAN HAWK – SEA STALLION
    SKY CRANE

    During the Vietnam War, the U.S. Army had the largest airforce in the world.

    A former Stratford Police Captain is ranking within Sikorsky Security.

    If the CIA, FBI, DOD and others did NOT have close tabs on Stratford Police
    and political parties, they would be derelict of duty.

    The results of the political situation in Stratford speaks volumes about the
    levels of integrity, competence, compassion, and ideation of the intelligence
    community and their priorities.

    Too many in government heirarchy are slaves to the chains of command.

    Too many elected are actors who play the political party rolls as scripted
    for political stages and theaters.

    Too many in the mensa moron intelligencia have emulated old world elitist
    culture as described by Wikipedia about Thomas Mann’s “Magic Mountain”

    Wikipedia abridged/editted:
    The WW I conflict and its aftermath led the author to undertake a major
    re-examination of European bourgeois society, including the sources
    of the willful, perverse destructiveness displayed by much of civilised
    humanity. He was also drawn to speculate about more general questions surrounding personal attitudes to life, health, illness, sexuality and mortality.

    Mann’s vast composition is erudite, subtle, ambitious, but, most of all,
    ambiguous; since its original publication it has been subject to a
    variety of critical assessments.
    For example, the book blends a scrupulous realism with deeper symbolic undertones. Given this complexity, each reader is obliged to weigh up
    the artistic significance of the pattern of events set out within the
    narrative; a task made more difficult by the author’s Olympian irony.
    Mann himself was well aware of his book’s elusiveness, but offered
    few clues about approaches to the text. He later compared it to a
    symphonic work, orchestrated with a number of themes and, in a
    playful commentary on the problems of interpretation, recommended
    that those who wished to understand it should read it through twice.

    A similar allegory James Joyce’s “Ulysses” was written as a reference to
    Western Civilization’s “bildungsromans.”

    Wikipedia:
    Ulysses is a novel by the Irish author James Joyce.
    One of the most important works of Modernist literature, it has been
    called “a demonstration and summation of the entire movement”

    Ulysses chronicles the passage of Leopold Bloom through Dublin during
    an ordinary day, 16 June 1904
    (the day of Joyce’s first date with his future wife, Nora Barnacle).
    The title alludes to Odysseus (Latinised into Ulysses), the hero of Homer’s Odyssey, and establishes a series of parallels between characters and
    events in Homer’s poem and Joyce’s novel.

    Ulysses is approximately 265,000 words in length and uses a lexicon of
    30,030 words (including proper names, plurals and various verb tenses),
    divided into eighteen episodes.
    Since publication, the book attracted controversy and scrutiny,
    ranging from early obscenity trials to protracted textual “Joyce Wars.”
    Ulysses’ stream-of-consciousness technique, careful structuring, and
    experimental prose—full of puns, parodies, and allusions, as well as its
    rich characterisations and broad humour, made the book a highly
    regarded novel in the Modernist pantheon.

    In 1998, the Modern Library ranked Ulysses first on its list of the
    100 best English-language novels of the 20th century.


    DISCLOSURE: I have NOT read either book. I was taught ABOUT
    each book, by persons unknown, for reasons unknown.

    I understand most of the symbolism, allusions, plot lines, themes,
    & direction found in summary versions, like Wikpedia & clift notes.

    Part of this post was for Phin + Jeze + local readers.
    Part of this post was for other “monitors” and perhaps …
    “merry macs?”

    One can never tell where telephone & data stream satellite
    relays can be interecepted and redirected, especially if one
    chooses to type in certain “keywords,” even out of context,
    like like a TV SHOW that “bombed” about a “nuclear” family?

    I appreciate the good things we have in the United States and
    support our Constitution, which has vehicles (amendments) for
    peaceful and evolving changes, which increasingly appears as a
    need to affect belief structures and systemic abuses?

  248. 248 1george1

    Below are my political opinions and best recollections of financial situations which I believe are highly questionable, if not illegal?

    1) May 9 “Bait & Switch” FOI violation $ 25 to $ 40 million Bond / ReBond? = R E D F L A G

    2) May 23 “Bait & Switch” FOI violation $ 280 to $ 345 Sewer Tax! = R E D F L A G

    Geen & Florek did right thing to postpone 2nd item = FOI, which I raised that night.

    I failed to raise FOI on Bond – but they BOTH made the BLOGS = Patch Editor Chris Carroll was FIRED for what appears to be an unrelated issue, which he told me he has countering documentation per approval!
    The TIMING of Jim Miron blogging & his HISTORY relating to terminating good people…?
    The TIMING of Chris Carroll’s coverage of Stratford BUDGETS and BONDING which I also wrote about. with relatively concurring perspectives, might give reasonable people to sspect that powerful people were acting improperly and perhaps … in a
    Criminal fashion?
    Would police investigate PATRONS who throw MONOPOLY MONEY O.T. + PENSIONS + BENEFITS, and more to them?

    3) $ 15 MILLION added LAST MINUTE BOND = R E D F L A G

    Last year: $ 14.74 MILLION or 3.3 Mils x $ 4.4 million per Mil = $ 14.4 M needed for PENSIONS

    No mention this year about how to find $ 15 million in Budget General Fund for PENSIONS.

    R E D F L A G = $ 14.74 MILLION = 3.3 Mils COMPARE $ 15 MILLION pensions = R E D F L A G

    > Was this PROPER? Malloy, Geen, Collier claimed:

    A) NO ADDED BOND

    B) NO ADDED TERM

    C) NO ADDED OBLIGATION

    D) Rebonding existing BOND at Lower Rate, with NO added Principal or obligation

    > They used TERM rebonding and stated BOND came to term?

    * That sounds like NEW BOND

    > They dragged out Meeting. They pulled Switch @ 11:00 pm most people gone from Town Council by then? = R E D F L A G

    * (My opinion) Sue, Geen, Malloy, & Harkins were extremely nervous = scared when I raised (??)

    * If this was on up & up, wouldn’t it be 1st ORDER of BUSINESS instead of last?

    * Several Councilors are on record they did NOT have any PAPER WORK!!

    * Only thing they had was on Agenda = $ 25 Million REBOND = Details to follow.

    > Geen announced change about 11 pm from $ 25 to $ 40 Million. = R E D F L A G

    > (if memory serves?) Malloy asked for a VOTE, with NO ONE having PAPER WORK = R E D F L A G

    * Jason Santi stated he had no paperwork on $ 25 or $ 40 Million = R E D F L A G

    * If memory serves) Sue standing behind Geen had paperwork ready, in her hand?

    * Sue – claimed she sent to Carol Friday??? = R E D F L A G

    * Sue was there all meeting and had Agenda in front of her Stating “details to follow”

    * Isn’t it just as easy to staple 3 pages “details”to Agenda as to Staple 1 “details to follow” = R E D F L A G

    4) $ 7.1 Bond – existing Bond Authorization to be added to $ 56 Million School Bond

    How many times with the same items be BONDED = Double Bonding?? = R E D F L A G

    5) Last year in Dempsey’s Building Needs Committee, CONSULTANT stated SHS + BHS costs higher than $ 30 m / lower then $ 40 m = likely $ 35 – $ 36 Million range?

    * 3 months ago it was $ 55+ million

    * It was BONDED for over $ 56 million = R E D F L A G S

  249. 249 jezebel282

    Update:

    Weiners and Losers.

    It is just sad that everywhere you turn are the stories about Anthony Weiner’s (D NY) middle school sexting and Sarah Palin’s history deficiency (if only she were blonde as well).

    No one is talking about the increase in unemployment (9.1%), two and a half wars, gas prices crushing household budgets or even the invasion of Israel from Syria.

    The losers in this are clear: us.

  250. 250 1george1

    Weiners and Losers.

    It is just sad that everywhere you turn are the stories about
    Anthony Weiner’s (D NY) middle school sexting and
    Sarah Palin’s history deficiency (if only she were blonde as well).

    No one is talking about the increase in unemployment (9.1%),
    two and a half wars,
    gas prices crushing household budgets
    or even the invasion of Israel from Syria.

    Stratford’s version of smoke & mirrors:
    * SFT – The conmen who stiffed everyone (Weiner would be envious)
    * KKP – 90 day contracted to find money man after 9 month Burturla
    negotiations, and found moneyman 2 months later – Feehan said NO.
    * HANNEY – Gets Chris blood boiling > Miron never showed his plan!
    * THREAT to CLOSE SCHOOLS
    * THREAT to UNDERSTAFF ANIMAL SHELTER
    * THREATE to UNDER FUND LIBRARY

    Syria invaded Israel?

    Israel stories in the middle pages like IRA terrorism and others….

    Some people want to solve mid east by moving everyone out & nuking it.

    My solution is to make the entire area into a Historic area and have people
    live in it like they do in NYC, with different people in different ghettos or
    neighborhoods and also on different floors ad the same floors of apartments,
    condo’s duplex, homes, etc..

    Arabs and Israeli are semetic.

    Arabs can call the area Palestine and Israeli can call the area Israel.
    Who cares? What is in a name.
    Stratford has jews, catholics, various christians, masons, and likely moslems
    as relative neighbors.
    Lost in the stories of violence are many symbiotic relationships & neighbor
    relationship between jews and moslems.
    People lived side by side in peace longer than they have fought in Wars.

    The jews can help the moslems with a trans sahara railroad to mecca
    and from indonesia to mecca for the hadj ….

    Think of the prosperty which can be created as the average man & woman
    can improve their lives and perspectives.

    I do not dwell on a few dozen jews who hurt me nor the hundreds of non
    jews who hurt me, all for schedenfreude / sadistic reasons.
    I know people like Max Lehner (writer) and so many good jews and non jews
    made my world and the whole world SOOOOOO MUCH BETTER.

    Some people actually have self respect and are far more human and decent
    than the dregs, cowards, and uncultured.

    When PEACE is MORE PROFITABLE than WAR …. PEACE will TRIUMPH.

    Moslems pit against jews
    Moslems pit against moslems
    Irish pit against english
    (Yet my irish catholic uncle married English episcopal aunt)
    Protestant Irish pit against catholic irish
    Russian against china
    German against pole or french

    History is filled with people stirring the pot.

  251. 251 jezebel282

    George,

    “Syria invaded Israel?”

    You gotta read the actual news once in a while, George.
    (AP) – 2 hours ago
    DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — A Syrian government newspaper says marches to the border will continue and warns Israel the day will come when thousands of Syrians will return to their occupied villages.
    Israeli forces opened fire on Palestinian and Syrian protesters Sunday, killing as many as 23 people who tried to cross into the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights.

    Obviously Syrian President Bashar al-Assad would like Syrians to focus on something else besides himself. Maybe he can get his people to edit Wikipedia and say that they were just warning the British not to take their guns away.

  252. 252 mikereynolds

    Well, technically Syria did invade Israel….in 1973 when the Syrians attacked into the Golan Heights that Israel seized in the 1967 war.

  253. 253 1george1

    Obviously Syrian President Bashar al-Assad would like Syrians to focus on something else besides himself. Maybe he can get his people to edit Wikipedia and say that they were just warning the British not to take their guns away.

    Maybe he decided to distract his citizenry to united them against a
    common enemy.
    Demoncrats and republiCONartists have done it for a couple centuries.

    Well, technically Syria did invade Israel….in 1973 when the Syrians attacked
    into the Golan Heights that Israel seized in the 1967 war.

    Hmmm. Was there a treaty ceding the Golan Heights to Israel?

    Who gave the French the deed to the Mississippi, which became
    the Louisiana Purchase?

    I forget if the French got it from the Spanish, who may have claimed
    it first?

    If we are to believe the HOLY BOOKS, then G-D led the ISRAELIs to
    the CHOSEN LAND.

    Then again, the 10 Commandment state THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
    No where in any readings of the 10 Commandments have I ever
    read that G-D made exceptions …..

    Subsequent man made interpretations create differences between
    different peoples, if I understand correctly?

    Kinda like INALIENABLE RIGHTS being excluded by men from the
    CONSTITUTION and ZERO MENTION of legitimatizing Politcal Parties,
    who are sewer skanks, ghouls, and vampires using legalese to steal
    for themselves, that which does not belong to them.

    Kinda like RUSTY NAIL’S comments in the Patch under LBW?

    Sell LBW + AIRPORT to FUND the PENSIONS

    of people who contributed 1/8th to 1/20th of what DBP will
    give to them, because they are Stratford politic’s version of
    politically chosen people.


    There are good, bad, & middle in every group!

    Above is partially hyperbole to exaggerate a point,
    to make the point more clear, plain, evident, preponderant

  254. 254 jezebel282

    George,

    “Hmmm. Was there a treaty ceding the Golan Heights to Israel?”
    Yes. It is called the Yom Kippur War. Since Syria does not recognize Israel, it is difficult to create a treaty with two signatures.

    Think of Mexican citizens storming our borders to reclaim Texas…Oh, wait a minute….never mind.

  255. 255 1george1

    Watch the price of Lettuce, tomatoes and other things, looming.
    The fields are full of rotting vegetables and fruit.

    Interesting people make huge deal outta illegal aliens and the
    perks they get for free the legal citizens don’t get?
    > The illegals don’t vote. Yet the elected give the perks.
    > Cocaine destroyed this country since mid / late1960s.
    (See Jimbo’s Pop chart … Pot chart)
    Yet bigger deal is made outta Ilegal aliens than Cocaine.

    For Centuries jews, catholics, christians, masons, and ordinary people
    etc had moral superiority by not stooping to the levels of violence of the
    KINGS, PRINCES, SOLDIERS, and POPES,

    US + RUSSIA + CHINA = PEOPLES REPUBLICS
    UK = EMPIRE / COMMON WEALTH
    FRANCE = KINGDUMB

    INFATADA = PAPAL CHILDREN’S CRUSADE

    WILLIAM the CONQUEROR aka WILLIAM the BASTARD
    ZERO british royal families are legitimate … think about
    it ….. it really is ironic.

    USA was CONQUORED
    PALESTINE was CONQUORED

    It is true IRONY that the PLANT AGE NET laid traps for ALL
    of the RELIGIONS and PHILOSOPHIES to prove themselves
    that like the MARTYRS in the COLESIUM or
    like MLK Jr who knew like CHRIST at GETHSEMANE who
    both knew they would die the next day.
    MLK Jr was murdered the anniversary of him being against
    the Vietnam War, like JFK & RFK, who were also set up.

    Yet the British raised up GHANDI (anagram G. I. HAND)
    and NELSON MANDELLA
    (Admiral Nelson …)
    (Delaware the 1st US State was named for Baron De La Warr or Warre)

    While history is filled with lies, it is the TRUTHS which are shocking
    and unbelieveable.

    The United States was an experiment and we were given all of the
    advantages …..

    What is the real
    American
    Pagan
    Eqyptian
    Jew
    Greek
    Roman
    Catholic
    Moslem
    Mason / Knight Templar
    Protestant
    etc.

    Who guards the guardians
    Who tests the testers?

  256. 256 1george1

    Jeze,
    You, Portia, and Chris have the classical education background.

    Sometimes people with common sense with or without classical
    education have superior humanity.

    Jeze you are a person of extreme passion.
    You also have superior intellect.

    Interesting the term DEVIL’S ADVOCATE “Advocatus diaboli” is based
    on a CATHOLIC CANONIZATION PROCESS whereas the PROMOTER
    of the FAITH (Promotor Fidel) argues against CANONIZATION.

    Only by knowing true evil, can one reject evil.
    I strongly suspect there are jewish / protestant / masonic / moslem
    comparative concepts?

  257. 257 jezebel282

    George,

    “You also have superior intellect.”
    Manufactured by the Board of Regents of New York State.

    Thank you for the compliment, but I am a regular citizen just like any reader of this blog. My entire political involvement is voting when there is an election.

    Although I am a registered Democrat, after witnessing what the Mirons (and their sock puppets) have done to Democratic Town Committee and what people like Norm Aldrich (Team Stratford) did to the Republican Town Committee my ethics tell me that I could not support either.

    I am becoming convinced that neither is capable of producing a candidate who’s only concern is for the citizens of Stratford. Which leaves an Independent or a non-committee candidate that wins nomination by virtue of a primary. To be frank, it looks pretty bleak.

  258. 258 1george1

    Foundations are laid.
    General, Governmental & Party Populations increasingly aware.
    Problems are cascading, more difficult to hide from Transparency.

    DJIA down 5 days.
    I have been predicting a DJIA FIRE SALE (die hard-live free or die)
    Not sure of timing?
    6700 DJIA would wipe out PENSION PORTFOLIO.

    CT POST finally covered PENSION story – 7 years late.
    I tried preempting problems, when solveable.

    CLAW BACKS likely
    REPUDIATION likely
    CHAPTER 11 likely
    Laches defense undone if FRAUD & CONSPIRACY proveable?
    Contracts voidable if FRAUD & CONSPIRACY proveable?

    I have head CT POST thinking of revisiting HEALTH CARE story.
    CT POST story Sunday research was done reviewing STAR
    stories and letters to Editor.
    CT POST rarely talks to me.

    LIABILITY (yousaidit) last THURSDAY was 3 months old.
    It preceeded Sunday Brittany Lyte (PENSION) & Gail Brown
    (PRITCHARD AL) reprints of previously publiched STAR, but
    with NEW & LATEST PENSIONERS.
    > POST concentrated on from 2006 Jim Miron.
    > My issues go to 1986-1987 foundations, then each decade.

    I really really do not like Bridgeport FBI nor Justice Attorneys,
    since mid 1980s through now – who I believe are the worst,
    including Gambino & Columbo, and local jerks who I believe
    are fronts.

  259. 259 jezebel282

    George,

    “I have been predicting a DJIA FIRE SALE (die hard-live free or die)
    Not sure of timing?”

    When oil goes to $150/barrel and gas goes above $4.50/gallon. You can’t take all the money out of everyone’s pockets and expect them to continue to pay for their mortgages, rents, utilities, taxes and food.

  260. 260 1george1

    Pretty much the points I made in 2008 & 2009.

    Jeze – Nice new format.

    However, when I come back into your blog,
    my prior post is in place, which I have to erase.

  261. 261 jezebel282

    George,

    “Jeze – Nice new format.”

    Thanks, but it’s a WordPress thing. Just in case a Congressman wants to post with a Twitter or Facebook address.

  262. 262 1george1

    Jeze – since you raised the issue

    New male potency pill?
    If swallowed to slowly?
    Result: Stiff neck.

    That woman who had the 74 year old
    man arrested was no samaritan.
    Otherwise she would have given him
    a hand.

    Police indicate he is likely to BEAT the rap.
    Evidence unlikely to stand up in court.

    If Rich Miron stiffing customers was “dead beat dick”
    What is a good knickname for Weiner?

    Facebook and twitter redefining “show and tell?”

    Is it considered sexting, if one is by himself?

    I wonder if the congressman is a “woody” allen fan?
    “Woody’s” best quotes, seem to apply?

  263. 263 jezebel282

    Oy vey….

  264. 264 1george1

    YE V YO!

  265. 265 1george1

    Estimate: Weiner’s Pension And Benefits Could Exceed $1 Million

    In about a decade, when he’s eligible to start drawing from his Congressional pension and savings plans, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) will be able to tap into benefits worth between $1.12 million and $1.28 million, the conservative-leaning National Taxpayers Union estimates.

    Roll Call and National Journal both are reporting on the NTU’s estimate.
    As Roll Call says:

    “At 46, Weiner will not be eligible for his pension for another decade, at which point he could begin drawing a reduced rate of $32,357 a year, according to NTU. If he waits until age 62 to begin drawing his pension, he will receive his full benefits, or $46,224, according to NTU’s calculations

    I willl not bother posting the rest of the story.

    Did Republicans and Democrats create a series of PENSIONS to BRIBE their hand picked officials and POLICE, JUDGES, and ENTIRE POLITICAL JUSTICE SYSTEM,
    while the AMERICAN ECONOMY was TAKEN over by a FOREIGN or DOMESTIC group which used former MAFIA (real Capitalists) CASH COWS like:
    > Controlled substances
    > Licensed Gambling and Vice
    > ENERGY – Oil, Gas, Coal – sabotaging NUCLEAR
    > Cheap foreign LABOR attacking the SOUL & CORE of American Economy –
    the solvent MIDDLE CLASS, whereas the lower income should be helped to
    grow into HIGHER PAY, decreasing UNEMPLOYMENT + other DRAINS, to
    TAX PAYING INCOME + Home Ownership, bettering American lives.

    POLICE and POLITICAL JUSTICE people are PATRIOTIC and NOT TRAITORS,
    however they and others on the INSIDE never have seen the STRATEGY+TACTICS
    of GIVING them SUPERIOR RIGHTS and COMPENSATION endangers everything
    they want for their CHILDREN and FAMILIES and PROTECTING the CONSTITUTION.

    Will there be Violence?
    Would American leadership invite CHINA + INDIA + RUSSIAN + South American
    TROOPS into American to PROTECT the GOVERNMENT from the AMERICAN
    PEOPLE, who are being betrayed?

    Even the MAFIA is more PATRIOTIC than those who CONTROL
    Military
    Police
    FBI
    STATE Police
    Economy
    Finance

    I support our CONSITUTION, TROOPS, and PEOPLE.

    “WE THE PEOPLE”
    of the “United States,”
    in Order “to form” a “more perfect Union,”
    “establish Justice,”
    insure “domestic Tranquility,”
    provide for the “common defence,”
    promote the “general Welfare,”
    and secure the “Blessings of Liberty”
    to “ourselves and our Posterity,”
    do ordain and establish this
    Constitution for the United States of America.

  266. 266 1george1

    Has anyone else noticed most of the Republican Senators and Congress
    come from certain types of STATES
    1 – Oil, Gas, Coal producing states = BIG OIL
    2 – Farm Belt which feeds the world, with low cost food = BIG AGRICULTURE
    3 – Former CONFEDERATE STATES, who still fight the CIVIL WAR
    4 – MILITARY’S INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX which has HIGH PRICED Pentagon
    contractors, who hire retiring Pentagon and Security and Legal and people
    who control enforcement of REGULATIONS.



    Hypothetically:

    What if the T E A M S T E R S (Police/Fire/Sikorsky factory workers) are being
    manipulated into acting AGAINST
    1 – their OWN BEST INTEREST?
    2 – the CONSTITUTION, OATH of OFFICE, and LEGAL LAWS?

    Please copy and paste for TEAMSTER HALL and disseminate to brothers
    and sisters!

    AVCO was closed 1996 – 1998, AFTER
    being bought in the 1980s by UNITED TECHNOLOGY.

    UNITED TECHNOLOGY owns SIKORSKY

    Labor for building HELICOPTERS is cheaper in southern
    states, which do NOT have
    INCOME TAX
    HIGH PROPERTY TAX
    HIGH INSURANCE COST
    HIGH ENERGY COSTS and ENERGY TAX
    HIGH LABOR COST

    What makes anyone think SIKORSKY will NOT be closed for
    MANUFACTURING in STRATFORD
    with AVCO corruption and remediation cost being used as excuses
    to keep AVCO closed.

    T E A M S T E R S work as
    SIKORSKY Plant Helicopter builders
    STRATFORD Police
    STRATFORD Fire men



    Have Republicans across the U S A been waging war on U N I O N S
    and cost of AMERICAN Workers?

    Have Republicans controlled Stratford Town Councils and Board of Ed
    throwing M O N O P O L Y money at O.T., PENSIONS, HEALTH CARE,
    ANNUITIES, BENEFITS, and PERKS?

    Are the Police, Fire, and other TEAMSTER workers smart enough to
    recognize and avoid the TRAP?
    > Or will they continue to grab as much as they can get?

    Ranking UNION PEOPLE appreciate that I am NOT attacking UNIONS,
    but placing blame on LAWYERS and OFFICIALS.
    > Yet they WANT the same TOO GOOD DEALS other RETIREES have!

    Is the above TRUE or FALSE?



    In Africa the way to catch MONKEYS is to put a COOKIE in a JAR that
    can not be moved.
    MONKEY will stick hand in the JAR to grab the TEMPTING COOKIE.
    MONKEY can NOT take out it’s HAND, when the HAND holds the COOKIE.
    If the MONKEY lets go of the COOKIE …….. It retains its’ “FREEDOM.”

    If the MONKEY holds the COOKIE, it stays TRAPPED, losing “FREEDOM.”

    To my friends on the Stratford Police, Fire, Education and other Government
    workers – do you prefer FREEDOM ?
    Or losing EVERYTING you VALUE ?

  267. 267 1george1

    The Rise of the Middle Class — Just Not Ours
    FOR THOSE WHO DERIDED ME AS A CONSPIRACY NUT FOR THE
    LAST SEVERAL YEARS – Please review below. Please compare to the
    above and my prior posts for several years
    – I admit to being CRAZY – but that does NOT MEAN I was WRONG.
    Being CRAZY is helping ingrates and worse.

    Gillian Tett
    U.S. managing editor and assistant editor, Financial Times

    The past year has seen plenty of hand-wringing about the “squeezed middle.” Little wonder. Although the U.S. economy might now be rebounding, incomes for most Americans — if they are lucky enough to have a job at all — are not rising. On the contrary, since 2002, median household income has declined in real terms, as many middle-class jobs have been either destroyed by technological innovation or lost to competition from overseas. For many of the jobs remaining, employers can pay lower wages.

    The middle class in America (and Europe) is suffering, but that’s only half the tale. In the past decade, income per capita in the so-called “BRICs” (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) has surged, as the middle classes in those countries have expanded at a striking clip. That is partly because jobs are shifting from the West to the emerging world (just think, for example, of all those Chinese factories and Indian call centers that have sprung up). However, education is also improving in most of these countries, along with infrastructure, as incomes rise and lifestyles improve.

    To many Western workers — and politicians — this sounds scary. After all, the addition of millions of well-educated workers in places such as India, China, and Brazil means a lot more competition for Americans and Europeans. However, this cloud has a bright silver lining. Until now, politicians and economists have generally focused on the emerging markets in terms of a “supply shock,” in the sense that these countries can supply cheaper and better goods than can be produced in the West. Production, after all, is what has enabled those emerging-market economies to boom; again, think of those Chinese factories.

    But now the world is on the verge of a crucial shift: precisely because the middle classes in the emerging markets are gaining clout, they are also becoming a truly formidable consumption force. The emerging markets thus no longer represent just a “supply shock”; they are creating a “demand shock” too. And that raises big questions: Who or what will meet that demand? Will those new middle-class families who are working at, say, Indian call centers or Chinese factories just buy local products? Or could American companies have an opportunity to serve them? And if so, could that opportunity eventually lead to new American jobs, as those consumers start to travel, read, download apps — and plug in to a globalized lifestyle? The full tale of the “squeezed middle” has yet to be told.

    The Rich Are Different From You and Me

    Chrystia Freeland
    Editor, Thomson Reuters Digital

    The rich are always with us, as we learned from the Bette Davis film of that name, released in the teeth of the Great Depression. The most memorable part of that movie was its title — but that terrific phrase turns out not to be entirely true. In every society, some people are richer than others, but across time and geography, the gap between the rich and the rest has varied widely.

    The reality today is that the rich — especially the very, very rich — are vaulting ahead of everyone else. Between 2002 and 2007, 65 percent of all income growth in the U.S. went to the richest 1 percent of the population. That lopsided distribution means that today, half of the national income goes to the richest 10 percent. In 2007, the top 1 percent controlled 34.6 percent of the wealth — significantly more than the bottom 90 percent, who controlled just 26.9 percent.

    That is a huge shift from the post-war decades, whose golden glow may have arisen largely from the era’s relative income equality. During the Second World War, and in the four decades that followed, the top 10 percent took home just a third of the national income. The last time the gap between the people on top and everyone else was as large as it is today was during the Roaring ’20s.

    The rise of today’s super-rich is a global phenomenon. It is particularly marked in the United States, but it is also happening in other developed economies like the United Kingdom and Canada. Income inequality is also increasing in most of the go-go emerging-market economies, and is now as high in Communist China as it is in the U.S.

    These global super-rich work and play together. They jet between the Four Seasons in Shanghai and the Four Seasons in New York to do business; descend on Davos, Switzerland, to network; and travel to St. Bart’s to vacation. Many are global nomads with a fistful of passports and several far-flung homes. They have more in common with one another than with the folks in the hinterland back home, and increasingly, they are forming a nation unto themselves.

    This international plutocracy is emerging at a moment when globalization and the technology revolution are hollowing out the middle class in most Western industrialized nations. Many of today’s super-rich started out in the middle and make most of their money through work, not inheritance. Ninety-five years ago, the richest 1 percent of Americans received only 20 percent of their income from paid work; in 2004, that income proportion had tripled, to 60 percent.

    These meritocrats are the winners in a winner-take-all world. Among the big political questions of our age are whether they will notice that everyone else is falling behind, and whether they will decide it is in their interests to do something about that.

    Wall Street: Same as It Ever Was

    Felix Salmon
    Finance blogger, Reuters

    The warning signs were there. In the decades before the financial world fell apart in 2008, what had been a great many small and diverse intermediaries merged and grew into a few global powerhouses. The new behemoths of finance were generally far too big to manage: with their trillion-dollar balance sheets and cellars full of assets that no one understood, they were a disaster waiting to happen.

    These institutions were, literally, too big to fail. Lehman Brothers was one of the smallest, and its bankruptcy forced governments around the world to carry out formerly unthinkable emergency actions just to keep the global economy from completely collapsing. The cost of the bailout ran into the trillions, and unemployment rose as high as 10.1 percent; we can probably never recover fully from the crisis. The ingredients that spelled disaster were simple: bigness, interconnectedness, and profitability.

    Big banks, by their nature, are much more systemically dangerous than smaller ones — just imagine the cost to the federal government if it had to cover all the deposits at, say, Bank of America. Lehman is a prime example of the dangers of interconnectedness: because every major bank did a lot of business with the firm every day, the chaos when it suddenly collapsed was impossible to contain, and rapidly spread globally in devastating and unpredictable fashion.

    And great profitability, of course, is as good a proxy for risk as any. If someone tells you that he can make huge profits, year in and year out, without taking on big risks, then he’s probably Bernie Madoff.

    As of now, not only have we failed to fix these three problems, but we’ve made them all worse. The big banks are bigger than ever, after having swallowed up their failed competitors. (Merrill Lynch, for example, is now a subsidiary of Bank of America; don’t believe for a minute that BofA’s senior management or board of directors has a remotely adequate understanding of the risks that Merrill is taking.)

    Interconnectedness, too, has increased. With the bailout came a deluge of liquidity, courtesy of Ben Bernanke: the Fed bailout was tantamount to dropping billions of $100 bills from helicopters over Lower Manhattan. That money got spent on financial assets — that was the whole point — and as a result, financial assets started moving in conjunction with one another. If my shares are rising, your shares are almost certainly rising too. And your commodities, and your municipal bonds, and your Old Master paintings. Because of this increase in financial correlation, if and when another crisis hits, it will be uncontrollable: it’s certain to strike absolutely everything, all at once. And though some people think Congress can simply regulate the problems away, there’s no way to legislate solutions to problems that are endemic to our financial system.

    Meanwhile, Wall Street pay is back at record highs — that didn’t take long — and the financial industry once again accounts for more than 30 percent of U.S. corporate profits. This doesn’t look like low-margin utility banking, where you take a small fee for matching buyers and sellers, borrowers and lenders. Beware. This is big-money gambling, back with a vengeance, and riskier than ever.

    Grandma’s in the Basement (and Junior’s in the Attic)

    Hanna Rosin
    Senior editor, The Atlantic

    American families are supposed to disperse. We raise our children, they mature into young adults, and, if all goes correctly, they strike out on their own. That last stage is critical. Unlike the many cultures that rank filial duty above other virtues, Americans value independence. The self-supporting man (or woman) cannot be asking his mommy to do the laundry for him and going after the same Pop-Tart stash he raided at age 10. But lately it seems we might have to adjust that list of priorities. Recent census data show that the number of Americans ages 25 to 34 living with their parents has jumped to about 5.5 million — a figure that accounts for roughly 13 percent of that age range. Compounding this full-house phenomenon, the grandparent generation is “doubling up” too, as the sociological literature says. A recent Pew Center report, “The Return of the Multi-Generational Family Household,” chronicles the trend: during the first year of the Great Recession, 2.6 million more Americans found themselves living with relatives; all told, 16 percent of the population was living in multi-generational households — the largest share since the 1950s.

    The spike is just the latest result of a long string of personal disasters brought on by the recession: lose your job, lose your home, find yourself bunking with Mom again and experiencing “alternating surges of shame and gratitude,” as one Slate writer recently put it. For the young people expecting to be independent, the small humiliations are endless: How do you date, invite friends over, feel like a grown-up going to a job interview, when your mom is polishing your shoes? But family members also find, thankfully, moments of small, unexpected connection — while, say, laughing over old movies they used to watch together but haven’t seen in years.

    And more broadly, the situation brings one major plus: the American family may finally get a long-overdue redefinition. With all the changes — more than 40 percent of children are born to unmarried mothers, many families include gay parents or adopted children or children conceived via a variety of fertility technologies, couples are choosing to marry but not have children — it seems exclusionary and even cruel to keep defining the American family as a mom and a dad and two biological children. That’s not what our households look like anymore, so we might as well recognize that Grandpa, and some kids too old for ducky barrettes, belong in the holiday photos too.

    Bonds Are Dead (Long Live Bonds)

    Clive Crook
    Senior editor, The Atlantic

    Investors in U.S. government bonds have had a fabulous run, and it’s over. For more than a decade before the Great Recession began, a surge of global saving increased the demand for Treasury bonds and raised their prices, delivering handsome capital gains. When the economy tanked, the government had to sell its bonds even faster to pay for its stimulus — and the price of its debt kept rising anyway. Investors saw U.S. bonds as a safe asset and demanded them all the more; the Federal Reserve started buying them too, in massive quantities, to keep interest rates low. So Treasury bonds delivered income and capital appreciation rivaling the historic return on equities — a much riskier asset.

    It couldn’t last, and it hasn’t. By this spring, long-term interest rates had fallen so far that they had only one way to go. The exact opposite was true for bond prices. Whether you call this “the end of bonds,” as some market-watchers do, depends on your tolerance for hyperbole. Bonds aren’t going away. Balancing the budget will take time. Even the most zealous deficit-cutters foresee heavy borrowing for years to come. The government will have to keep selling its debt. The question is, how cheap will bonds have to be to persuade private lenders to buy — and will the Fed be willing, if necessary, to remain an investor itself?

    For now, capital has no other safe haven, so private investors will think hard before shunning the market, and will likely settle for a moderate increase in yields. Certainly, the Fed would love to get out. But the U.S. is in the nice position of borrowing in its own currency — Greece and Portugal should be so lucky — so its central bank can always fund the government by “printing money” and buying the bonds itself. The more it does this, the greater the risk of high inflation later. Interest rates could soar in the meantime too, and that would depress physical investment — that is, spending on things like factories, machines, and roads. But the option of buying its own bonds is there, and having it is better than not having it. One way or another, this is not “the end of bonds.”

  268. 268 jezebel282

    From George:

    I highly recommend the cosmic comic “MORALITY PLAY” Green Lantern movie.
    > It is likely part of the INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITIES’ CLANDESTINE ACTS
    of “molding Public Opinion,” while intentionally debilitating AMERICA, WESTERN
    EUROPE, and JAPAN (Prime Beneficiaries of the Marshall Plan)
    while raising standards of living of the World’s most populated 2nd & 3rd
    Worlds’ Countries:
    YAHOO story: Growing middle class / living Standards:
    * China * India * Russia * Brazil * Eastern Europe

    MOSLEMS / ARABS populate the SUN BELT from North Africa to beyond
    INDOCHINA to INDONESIA.
    > The HADJ (by transcontinental Rail Roads) will be the secondary KEY
    to WORLD PEACE, with WAR Profiteering being the primary obstruction!
    > The MOSLEM / ARABS are surrounded (except in Continental Africa)
    by RELIGIONS, IDEOLOGIES, and CULTURES with superior technology
    and living standards than the GENERAL POPULATION, which I pointed
    out in a Stratford Star letter to the Editor to Obama, late 2010.
    > Israel Jewish – some Christian + Moslem
    > West Europe Catholic, Protestant, Mason/Shriner, Jewish, Moslem
    > East Europe + Russia Orthdox + Ashkinazim + some Moslem
    > India Hindu – British empire alumni
    > Japan Mostly Shinto – regard selves as racially different than asia
    > China Marxist + Confusious
    > Russian – ex-USSR Marxist / Leninist, Orthodox christian, Askinazim,
    Moslem + MANY cultures along Asia & East Europe.

    Portuguese Brazil is about 1/2 the size and a significant comparative
    population to Spanish South and Central America, with mostly Spanish
    Caribbean. This is a counter point where superior standard of living of
    Brazil will force HISPANIC shift in PRIORITIES analogous to the problems
    of the MOSLEM working class who would logically want technological
    advantages (like air conditioning) and raised standard of living which can
    be inproved with Transcontinental Rail Roads, using solar power to move
    goods and services,
    Terraforming and Desalination can turn the Saraha and Arabian deserts
    into modern GARDENS of EDEN.

    The only remaining areas for human improment would be Black Africa,
    which has mineral rich South Africa and other British Empire alumni to
    the South and the Sahara blocking them from the North.

    There are a variety of Pacific island and a few other spots which can become
    improved Quality of life, I suspect mostly due to vacation / tourism.

    More than 80 % of the land WEST of the MISSISSIPPI is owned by the US
    GOVERNMENT and is IDEAL for TERRA FORMING and populating by some
    over populated ASIAN and South / Central American countries.

    Ignorant people hoard.
    Enlightened SELF INTERESTED suggested by ADAM SMITH learn to
    work within the SOCIAL CONTRACT as espoused by ROUSSEAU and
    others.

    I suspect Jeze will move part of this post, which was taught to me by some
    people supportive of the Trilateral Commission, whose members are also
    HOARDERS.
    I suspect the PATCH will NEVER allow me to POST this because of EGO and POLITICAL PRIORITIES / CONNECTIONS of the IGNORANT.

    this week my mobility was attacked, likelast month, I was blocked from the
    PATCH. I guess some people who use FEAR to intimidate are TOO
    COWARDLY to COMPETE in the World of Political-Economic-Social IDEAS,
    to benefit the MASSES, who the need to KEEP DEPENDANT?

    Some very intelligent people are truly pathetic and deserve pity, except for
    their DESTRUCTIVE, MEAN, and COWARDLY Activities, which they think
    are OH SO CLEVER

  269. 269 1george1

    Another way the political infrastructure eyes destroying another part of
    the economy with short sighted self interest or INTENTIONAL SABOTAGE
    to be BRIBED or TAKE OVER in ONLINE ORDERING.
    – Whereas there is often FREE SHIPPING / Handling, often there is a charge
    which can be partiallly offset by NO SALES TAX.
    – Local stores are handicapped by SALES TAX and BIG BOX Stores who have
    ECONOMY to SCALE lower pricing.
    – Local advantages are in being able to deliver product instantly or timely services
    which Big Box or internet, may not be able to supply:

    (YAHOO TITLE:) States look to Internet taxes to close budget gaps

    EmailPrint..By CHRIS TOMLINSON, Associated Press Chris Tomlinson, Associated Press – Sun Jun 19, 7:37 pm ET

    AUSTIN, Texas – State governments across the country are laying off teachers, closing public libraries and parks, and reducing health care services, but there is one place they could get $23 billion a year if they could only agree how to do it: Internet retailers such as Amazon.com.

    That’s enough to pay for the salaries of more than 46,000 teachers, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In California, the amount of uncollected taxes from Amazon sales alone is roughly the same amount cut from child welfare services in the current state budget.

    But collecting those taxes from major online retailers is difficult.

    Internet retailers are required to collect sales tax only when they sell to customers living in a state where they have a physical presence, such as a store or office. When consumers order from out-of-state retailers, they are required under state law to pay the tax. But it’s difficult to enforce and rarely happens.

    That means under the current system the seller is absolved of responsibility, buyers save 3 percent to 9 percent because they rarely volunteer to pay the sales tax, and the state loses revenue.

    With sales tax revenue slumping more than 30 percent in most states between 2007 and 2010, lawmakers across the country are grasping for ways to collect those unpaid taxes. Retailers and lawmakers in several states have proposed ways to solve the problem, some with more support than others.

    ======

    Ever notice REPUBLICANS only seem to CARE about
    Millionaires – Big Oil – Bank/Finance Execs – War Profits

    Ever notice DEMOCRATS only seem to CARE about
    TEACHERS – POLICE – FIRE – GAY RIGHTS?

    NOTHING against any of them!
    What about the rest of U.S.?

    Actually, I am against Wars, Crimes, and Inequality, especially
    when based on political connections, rather than MERITOCRACY,
    and HARD WORK.

    What happened to EQUAL PROECTION of the LAW

  270. 270 jezebel282

    George,

    “With sales tax revenue slumping more than 30 percent in most states between 2007 and 2010”

    I think that leap is a little too far. (See? I do read them even though they are here) With real unemployment around 16% and the increases in local taxes, fuel and food you think retail sales taxes are down because of the Internet? Maybe most people just can’t afford to buy much of anything anymore?

    Even if you could find something on the net without sales tax, in most cases you still have to pay shipping. That is not even mentioning the opening of global markets to local businesses for the cost of a website and the discipline to follow through. On the contrary, I believe the Internet is a local company’s greatest asset.

    For example, my own personal favorite: http://www.gaetanosdeli.com/

  271. 271 1george1

    Jeze
    I simply posted a story from the internet.

    Then I posted a brief opinion about the internet and marketing, which
    is a wave of the present and future related to Marketing and Sales.

    Just as technology is morphing and cascading, so do the uses.

    My primary focus is the vampires would mess up a wet dream, looking to
    swipe a piece of the action.

    I am working on a series of flavors of shoe & boot polish for the sycophantic
    boot lickers, whose primary skills are imitating & licensing mafia cash cows
    and trying to find ways to syphon other peoples property to them under the
    “COLOR of the LAW.”

    Gaetano’s has pictures of Clintons, who Sylvia bragged about, as knowing
    them a long time and she absolutely believed they were … I use “comers”

    I know there are good people and in the system.
    I am discouraged to believe there is any chance for the good people.

  272. 272 1george1

    447,893 hits

    JEZE + I MUST HAVE 60 % of the POSTINGS
    I wonder how many posts have been made?

  273. 273 jezebel282

    16,696

  274. 274 1george1

    Yahoo! News

    Comedy icon Jerry Lewis ill in Australia

    I respect people like Jerry Lewis, who calls himself
    super Jew. He has done a lot for people. He could
    just sit back ….I have mp idea how much he raised
    for MDA, as the point person.
    > My Bowling league raised almost $ 20,000 in the
    early 1980s for MDA.
    > Then Big Brothers stole my concept and averaged
    about $ 50,000 a year for a few years. I hope the
    money they (BB) raised went to the cause ….

    My favorite Jewish person was Bob Hope.

    I have a Jewish friend who, like Sylvia, always feels not
    enough credit goes to contributions of Jewish people to
    humanity ….Fiercely proud or heritage.

    Same thing about myrespecting what the late Paul Newman
    raised for kids charities …..

    Once I found out about Norman Borlaug, he made posts here.
    He did more to disprove Malthus and feed people than anyone.

    Martin Luther King Jr. is the pre-eminent embodiment of Civil
    Rights, which transcends race. America’s Ghandi.

    Ralph Nader’s Wikipedia page shows the accomplishments of
    Nader’s Raiders who have done more forAmerican Consumers,
    and all consumers, and businesses than the political parties.

    I was sad to see Jerry Lewis take ill.
    I wanted to post a brief tribute to him, and to the beloved Bob
    Hope, and Jewish contributions, which reminded me of Sylvia.

    I also wanted to post tributes to Paul Newman, MLK Jr., Ghandi,
    Nader, Borlaug and good people.

    One person can make a difference, when it gets paid forward.

    With July 4 coming …. I wanted to post something positive,


    Oh – at Mr. P’s this afternoon, my friends had a Ralph Nader
    look alike stop in and make himself conspicuous.
    – There is usually an ulterior motive when the play doppleganger?

  275. 275 jezebel282

    From George,

    With State workers repudiating the CONTRACT, I am reminded that
    PATCO – (1980 Air Traffic controllers) endorsed Ron Reagan.
    August 1981, PATCO went on STRIKE.

    Reagan fired those who refused to come back to work.
    > Will CT GOVERNMENT WORKERS force themselves out of JOBS?

    > Will BUDGET consequenses further hurt State Grants to BoE and
    Stratford Town Budget?

    > Will Stock Market crash to near or past 6,700 or correction to under
    10,000 devastate PENSION portfolio, costing even more TAXES?

    > Are the FIRE (Police & EMS) DEPARTMENT helping or hurting
    – themselves
    – union brothers and sisters
    – the town budget
    – the people of Stratford

    I have tried to warn people to act responsibly or it will be they,
    themselves who will suffer and be to blame.
    Some of those people do not seem to care about anyone but
    themselves.
    Maybe I should be like everyone else and put my head in the sand?

    Ganim, Newton, Rowland, McGrievey, Spitzer, Blagojevich and
    others all thought they had political pull.
    Even “Whitey Bulger,” “Saddam Hussein,” “Mohamar Khadafy,”
    “idi Amin,” “Iran’s Shah,” “Osama Bin Laden” and others, outlive
    their usefulness.

    When people think they have absolute control and power, they
    get reckless. If I can find the paper trails, the media and the Feds
    know exactly who, what, when, where, why, and how.

    Just a matter of time.(table – like clockwork orange)

  276. 276 jezebel282

    Los Angeles Dodgers declare bankruptcy.

    Dis wouldn’ta happened if dem bums stayed in Brooklyn like dey shoulda.

  277. 277 1george1

    Jeze – I have spoken to many people, who look forward to Stratford
    declaring Bankruptcy. I do not. Innocent people lose same as jerks.

    So far, I believe government employees have some protections that
    private sectors does not have, whereas private sector has Pension
    default protections government don’t have.

    The DJIA charts have never shown markets to go straight up.
    Propped up portfolios are a disaster waiting to happen.

    – When the Dodgers went to LA, there were only 16 Major League
    Baseball teams. Now there are 32.
    The Dodgers, Mets and a few other teams can be insolvent and
    cost some jobs, temporarily lowering some costs.
    Or new investers can reinvigorate them.

    It is a hugely different issue than whole sectors of businesses and
    lifesavings being forced into the streets

  278. 278 jezebel282

    George,

    “The DJIA charts have never shown markets to go straight up.
    Propped up portfolios are a disaster waiting to happen.”

    Anyone who invests their whole retirement in a casino operation (the “Market”) is, well, a fool. “I have no idea how this works or why. Maybe if I hold my breath, I’ll come out OK” is not an investment strategy.

    For example, it is illegal to to short sell any stock with money from an IRA, 401K or any other retirement instrument. You are correct in that the price of any stock can go up or down. However, most people can only place bets (invest) in stocks and hope they only and always go up. Buying long. That’s crazy.

    Even knowledgeable and experienced traders can only hope that they are not crushed by the electronic trading of mega brokers and banks. Millions of transactions per minute can wipe out private investments in seconds.

    But I take what I said back. You would actually be better off at Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods. At least there are rules of the game and well known odds there.

  279. 279 jezebel282

    From George,

    Some of them can not see their real nature in the mirror, much
    like many people are disguised in John Carpenter’s “They live.”
    Legend has it, vampires can NOT see themselves, nor be seen
    in a MIRROR, because they lack SOUL.

    Much like the sayings:
    1 – Caesar loved treason but hated traitors
    2 – The first rule of assassination, is to kill the assassins and any
    who can trace the trail back to the decision makers ….
    3 – The DEVIL loves human sacrafice.

    The new decision makers NO LONG need those whose POLITICAL
    PATRONS are DEAD and RETIRED.

    Where once AZAZEL would pass over the marks of the faithful,
    it may come to pass the party faithful and worshipers of golden
    calf and not the basis for beliefs, will be judged appropriately?

    Only the government workers, elected, lawyers, and plutocrats
    deserve to have:
    HEALTH CARE
    PENSIONS
    PAID TIME OFF
    BENEFITS
    HOME OWNERSHIP
    BANK ACCOUNTS
    ANNUITIES

    The PLUTOCRATS will pit the public sectors workers against
    the others, with divide and conquor, as they always have.

    Scapegoats will be created.

    Claw backs and R. I. C. O. judgements will create the ambiance
    of “TRADING PLACES”

    Drugs will proliferate to the children of the chosen who can afford
    the price, since that will be the only alternative economy.

    Hackers from Europe, China, India, and those 3rd world countries
    where technical expertise has been out sourced and the Bank
    Accounts and Postfolios of the RICH and CONNECTED will be
    drained, as other government regulators and experts who are
    supposed to prevent this can be bought off or coordinate the
    raids on their former Allies.

    The Constitution has been replaced with political intellectual
    Prostitution, and Y O U R worst night mares are coming.

    People who have NOTHING ..
    have NOTHING to lose!

    People who have been CHEATED
    can learn the same game!

    The political parties and political justice systme and investigators
    have gamed the system to benefit themselves.

    Where do they turn when their families and them are chosen
    to be the scapegoat?

    Like ancient Rome, more and more people were thrown to the
    lions, until the people realized … they were the fodder and feed!

    Project how your children and grand children will be the NEW
    SLAVES in
    DRUGS
    ALCOHOL
    DEBT
    PATRONAGE
    PROSTITUTION
    DEBTOR PRISON
    PRISON
    REHAB
    HOMELESSNESS
    SERVANTS
    SLAVES

    – WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in order to form a more
    perfect union ………

  280. 280 jezebel282

    From George,

    1 – The highest pension had fraudulent hours which became
    PAY, CASH OUT, and PENSION.

    2 – A D/C – knowingly (or didn’t do his job) OKed bogus hours.

    3 – Police Chiefs A + B – knowingly (or didn’t do his job) OKed
    bogus hours

    4 – Finance – knowingly (or didn’t do their job) OKed bogus hours.

    5 – HR – knowingly (or didn’t do their job) OKed bogus hours.

    6 – Town Attorneys – knowingly (or didn’t do their job) OKed
    bogus hours.

    7 – Mayors A + B – knowingly (or didn’t do their job) OKed
    bogus hours and continued Pensions.

    8 – Town Councils A + B knowingly (or didn’t do their job)
    OKed bogus hours and continued Pensions.

    What if people committed felonies and then covered it up, by
    pretext and color of the law, knowing most police do NOT want
    and investigation into the Defined Benefit Plan?

  281. 281 jezebel282

    From George,

    In ORDER to raise OIL PRICES from $10.58 a barrel Dec 1998 to $147
    a barrel June 2008, just befor the SEPT 2008 Stock Market crash where
    SHORT POSITIONS were ALL READY establshed and they wou;d NOT
    allow anyone else to SHORT and in ORDER to have CRASHED the REAL
    ESTATE and BOND markets and eliminate MAJOR competition, they
    beeeded to BRIBE EVERY ONE in EVERY LEVELof INVESTIGATION and
    PROSECUTION.

    All the local people know is they were given a license to steal, just
    like those in the State and Federal SUPERGRADERS.

    NOW:
    INDUSTRIES are OVERSEAS in CHINA, INDIA, Pacific Rim, East Europe and thos places without O.S.H.A.

    OIL dollars are with PPETRO DICTATORS of O.P.E.C. in the
    Middle East, s.e. ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA, NIGERIA, AND BRITISH
    COMMON WEALTH / NORTH SEA.

    The top 5 members of the UN Security Council sell WEEPONS to
    3rd world and inner cities, while England and Wesrten Europe
    don’t have Wars or GENOCIDE.

    When they CLAW back the PENSIONS and prove NATIONAL collective corruption and void the CONSTITUTION to have the BRITISH CROWN install a Royal Governor in the White House, some people ain’t
    gonna be happy.

    When XE Services and MERCY NARY troops from Columbia and China
    are invited into the UNITED STATES as PEACE KEEPING forces from
    the TEA PARTY and others – maybe you will be happy?

    Crazy? Maybe!

    But the Government controls and licenses ALL of the MAFIA CASH
    COWS, doesn’t it?
    The governments PROFIT from WAR
    The government profits from CRIMES
    The government calls DRUGS > “Contolled substances.”
    Look to the biographies of J EDGAR HOOVE and MARK FELT and the FRANK CHURCH COMMISSION FINDINGS.

    The FBI CONDUCTED SURVELLIANCE against legitimate protesters.
    QUANTICAL and CAMP PEARY train CIA, FBI, DEA, Rank State Police
    Rank Local Police, while the WAR COLLEGE trains RANK Military,
    CIA, FBI, STATE Dept, and others

    Anybody actually think the Royal Families of Europe and their
    cousins in the Royal War Colleges and Home Office care about
    PEACE and PROSPERITY, when they have some much FUN letting
    loose the DOGS of WAR and the Technological Horsement of the
    APOCALYPSE?

    Chris Rock – NEVER SCARED > I thought I wrote part of his act?
    People laugh because of the situation – but much of his humor=true!
    (He puts some unusual spin on those situations) (Cable + Utube)

    Chris spoke about BALZAK’s quote: “All GREAT FORTUNES come
    from GREAT CRIMES!”
    Chris Rock differenciated between REAL WEALTH and being RICH
    and the spin placed on whether bad stuff was created by WHITE
    or BLACK?

    > “The projects” “Affirmative Action” “Slavery” “US Policy”
    > “Breeding Athletes” “Literate Blacks” “government not legalize
    drugs, because they make too much money jailing people
    = black people coud get wealthybecause Cocaine comes from Dark people?
    LABRON gets RICH = His chck is signed by WEALTHY Whites.
    OPRAH is RICH & BILL GATES is WEALTHY
    > GREAT CRIMES = GREAT WEALTH
    – Brofman and Kennedy
    Only the WHITE MAN can profit from PAIN.
    Blacks can not get WEALTHY profit from PAIN.
    Alright = ALL RIGHT
    > Alcohol Cigarettes Guns Americans worship Money
    Hippocracy about Democracy
    = > U S took over IRAQ in 2 weeks – Yet suppposedly Dangerous?
    NO WMD – not even a whiffle ball back.
    Got SADDA, HUSSEIN – instead of goin after BIN LADEN?
    > Phoney Patriotism – When WAR started it became like Nazi Germany?
    > OVER the TOP “PATRIOTISM”
    PROPS to the VETERANS
    Anyone who MAKES UP their MIND before they HEAR the ISSUE=A FOOL
    > Chris Rock blamed BUSH for everything long pst anything crediibe for LAUGHS. He nailed Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Conservatives
    in a way that made sense!
    – Chris Rock made fun of PALIN holding a MOOSE she killed and wondered
    why Michael Vick was in JAIL.
    – John McCain a war hero who got captutred?
    Like George Bush who was a WAR HERO who was supposedly SHOT
    down in the Pacific, near a Submarine, BUT NO ONE EVER QUESTIONS
    where the other person was that was supposed to be in the Plane?
    Like JFK whose PT Boat was run over un the PACIFIC?
    Who makes this stuff up?
    He nailed OBAMA = but I am having problems with the POSTING

  282. 282 1george1

    CONSPIRACY NUTS: EISENHOWER, MLK Jr., McGOVERN, FRANK
    CHURCH, Nader, Chris Rock,

  283. 283 jezebel282

    From George:

    CERTAIN of them fit NIETSCHE “Beyond good & evil” while others
    are decendents of those Thomas Mann’s “Magic Mountain.” was
    about …

    CERTAIN of the readers have limited horizons and perceptions
    appropriate to the “Allegory of the Cave,” and other aspects from
    Plato’s Republic.

    What is accepted by those in power are diametrically antithetical
    to those beliefs the profess to embrace ….

    Hypocrites was a Pagan.
    He admonished to
    “DO NOT HARM.”
    “NOT committ FETUSCIDE.”

    I wonder if JACK KAVORKIAN sought assistance to DIE .. or to LIVE?
    There are appropriate situations for abortions.
    Yet for Doctors & Politicians to turn it into an INDUSTRY?

    My dad said “there was only one perfect person…
    and they crucified him.”
    That person was a practicing Jew!
    Many people believe he was much more ….

    How many of the 10 Commandments are routinely disobeyed?
    How can anyone call him/herself a jew/catholic/christian/mason
    not obey and no practice at least is general respects the 10
    Commandments ?

    How many people act contrary to the Constitution’s preamble
    and Bill of Rights, while disabusing the body of same?
    How many police are grass eaters and meat eaters?
    How many judges are dishonorable and contemptible?
    How many rank military are de facto traitors and disobey the
    Uniform Code of Military Conduct.
    How many attorneys evade the purview of the U. S. Code and
    CT Practice book and various Ethics Codes?
    How many Executive, Legislative, Judicial, and appointed have
    practiced intellectual prostitution, instead of equal opportunity
    and equal protection of the law instead of moral, ethical, and
    humane Constitution?

    We live in the GREATEST TIME in HISTORY.
    sadly … we take it for granted …

    We live in the GREATEST COUNTRY in HISTORY
    sadly … we take it for granted …

    We live among the greatest neighbors in the WORLD.
    sadly … some game the system with I got mine mentality…

    The great people
    The truly great people
    are the parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, cousins,
    neighbors, priest, rabbi, ministers, scientists, teachers,
    police, fire, ems, soldiers, factory workers, garbage men,
    nurses, farmers, delivery people …. ad infinitum …
    who play by the (honest) rules and are the those who
    give to others ….

    My Stratford political hero was Ed “Beefy” Hargus, patron
    saint of senior citizens and real people …
    Ed was a plain spoken Democrat.

    Had Stratford obeyed the 1991 Referendums created by
    Republicans Diane Buda and Eleanor Burke would we
    have the problems we have now?

    If the Defined Benefit Pension and Health Care abuses,
    NOT been created … DO NOT BELIEVE ME … do the
    NUMBERS Y O U R S E L F S, Stratford’s Mil RATE would
    be 8 MILS lower.

    If the POLITICALLY connected hadn’t worked with the
    State & Feds to keep AVCO closed, SIKORSKY & others
    downsized, allowed UNFUNDED MANDATES, & budget
    fuzzy math .. Stratford Mil Rate would be under 20!

    While typing this …NOT “saying” anything to this screen
    I listened to PRIME TIME DEON SANDERS Hall of FAME
    SPEACH.

    He ended his speach by stating “LET US not WASTE this
    PLATFORM. LET’S PROVOKE CHANGE!”

    I end writing that Martin Luther King Jr. wrote and spoke about
    “the DREAM!”

    Unfortunately, to many the DREAM became a NIGHTMARE!

    Let us create an America where the DEEDS match the WORDS.

    Let us create an America where the core beliefs of our religions
    are incorporated into the SPIRIT of our LIVES.

    Let us work towards an America, where we help the helpless,
    and assist up the fallen, where our brothers and sisters are
    not just our fagin pick pocket groups, to make sure I GOT MINE
    mantra of ROYAL CHAMBERS, BIG OIL, WAR PROFITEERS,
    WALL STREET, Military Injustice system preys on the innocent
    and the ignorant of the Law and business opportunities, and
    quality of life!

  284. 284 jezebel282

    From George:

    A former blogger told me and wrote John Burturla leap frogged
    many people to become appointed head of CT STATE TROOPER
    Homeland Security.

    In 1999 I had auto accident on State Highway.
    4 women in my life were rearended on US or State Highways,
    one twice, in 6 of 7 months, including my accident.

    I know that he is not the one you are discussing.
    However the above post reminded me to advise that political
    decisions of adding people or passing over people happens.

    Eisenhower happened to have that happen to him due to his
    name and how it translated in German (Iron Craftsman)
    Source Wikipedia.

    Not that anyone on this blog will care, except Ron>
    Last month a strip mall in Milford burned down with a store owned
    by a friend.
    August former USPS coworker Tim Weller 49 of Seymour 49 and
    former Marine passed away.
    July former USPS coworker Tom Ganley early 70s of Southport
    and military veteran passed away.
    December former USPS coworker Dave Jersey late 60s of
    Stratford and military veteran passed away.
    I mentioned those deaths at Last Town Council Public Forum

    The day before the RTC meeting before Laura Hoydic was first
    elected, Syvia Guberman passed away. I had emailed DeCilio
    at least 2 weeks before that I heard a rumor “something” was
    “going to happen” about the time of RTC Meeting.
    Harkins and Bishop were notified, after the fact.

    A relatively short time after Dick Miron became a Registrar along
    with Lou Decilio, these people “happened” to pass away:
    Ed Fennell
    Dean Paradise
    Alex Kozak
    Each was involved in Registrar’s office. Alex helped DeCilio with
    Computer issues, If there was tampering with records …..
    What was the name & party of the stratford’s Mayor?

    Evelyn O’Sullivan was a SHS gym teacher & wife of John, who was
    hired a year before I was in the USPS. His testimony in the USPS
    first Arbitration case saved my job. Suddenly his healthy wife who
    swamp daily in their indoor heated pool and didn’t smoke developed
    virulent CANCER. They lived on Wakelea

    Russ Pleasic of Sutton Place, where BoE really is domociled died
    2 years after representing me in USPS. I had to walk away.

    Tony Mazzareze of Yale Street Stratford gave me written character
    reference for USPS. He passed away just subsequently.

    My maternal uncle died Oct 12, 1986 – I had to make issue with
    USPS to get time off that was approved to go to his daughter’s
    wedding the year before. Oct 12 is Columbus Day and birthdate
    of my paternal uncle.

    I could continue to list.

    Jezebel will move this to another blog with NO SENTIMENTS about
    good and decent people who I believe were absolutely murdered
    by patrons of the Stratford ranking police, lawyers, and RTC/DTC.

    If Ron sees this, he is likely the only person who will express
    sympathy. No one else will have the decency or self respect.

    As Jeze writes this blog is read by many influential / connected
    people.

    In 1984 I placed a curse for eternal damnation on everyone
    who actively or passively assisted deaths and hardships of
    myself, family, & other innocents.
    If there is a g-d, let him judge and damn those.
    I pledged no secular reprisal.
    May they live long lives.
    As each of you (who are guilty by commission or ommision)
    get older, you will face your mortality and turn to religion or
    elsewhere for absolution.

    There is NO ABSOLUTION for anyone, which I do not grant.

    I granted ABSOLUTION to Bishop Kopka, as he effectually
    confessed to me related to Ethics Commission and was
    honestly sorry.
    I granted ABSOLUTION to Mossman, as her became more
    and more embarassed, but (my opinion) lacked morale
    courage, while he had physical courage.

    There are a lot of otherwise decent cops and others who
    view this blog and have told me. They have to look them
    selves in the mirror and they know the truth.

  285. 285 jezebel282

    From George:

    Raise lower and middle class economic stability using models
    from WW II and Marshall Plan basics.

    Command economy overpaid every Congressional Districts’ economic feeder companies.

    Stable money supply fed local subcontractors and businesses.

    Oil, Big box multinationals, drugs, and gambling destabilized or hoarded Capital.

    “Resurrecting the Dream” is a National Security and purest Economic Issues and Values, besides being a moral and human imperative. (Consumer Spending is 70% of GDP)

    ——– below is directly from an MSN article ———-

    Studies show “The rich and politically connected have inattentional or perceptional blindness with disconnected cognitive linkage and being willfully clueless, from being able to understand needs and resources of lower income.

    They gloss over the role family, business and political connections; family money and education play in their success. They denigrate role of government and vigorously oppose taxes to fund it.

    ——– above is directly from an MSN article ———-

    Big oil, war, and drug profiteering, buys mutually reinforcing governmental protection which is an entirely different issue, best explained and perhaps solvable using Wikipedia “Adam Smith’s”
    “Theory of Moral Sentiment” and “Wealth of Nations.”

    War can be replaced by macro economic endeavors like terraforming: desserts into farms and jungles;

    Creating and manage rivers;

    Desalinating and Remediation useable water;

    Creating Transportation and Communication infrastructures;

    Mass Educational tooling for evolving technologies and needs.

    Tripling doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists, teachers and the like,
    takes seed money for socio-political return on investment.

  286. 286 jezebel282

    From George,

    G-rapes of wrath

    Yeah – I made arrangements for House sitters.

    March 18, 2010 I met Harkins @ town hall.
    I came home. My front door was ajar.
    R Burturla documents were taken.
    The break in put LOG ME IN into my PC.
    The next week GAVIN’S eaddress sent a LINK
    which raised holy heck.
    Subsequently for months, they kept delete file.
    FBI
    MOSSMAN CASE
    POLICE REPORTS
    PENSION & OTHER TOWN FINANCIALS.

    It wasn’t until everything was fixed that I reloaded
    one of my back ups.

    I made arrangements.

    Sylvia told me on more than one occasion
    “Don’t let them get you ALONE.”

    Jury duty appears innocuous – but they get you alone!

    A couple weeks ago I told Tim Bishop I might not see him anymore.
    He asked why?
    I told him I had jury duty
    He asked where?
    “Bridgeport.”
    Tim said “I may see you there that day I have to be in court …

    THEN Tim asked What day?

    Drum roll please?
    Telling me he may see me in court 2 weeks from when I was to
    appear and THEN asking me what DAY?

    AUG 5 – I had MD meeting – Same Day the COO of Optimus was
    in the CT POST Letter to the Editor
    AUG 12 – I walked out of physical @ Optimus
    Next night I found dried blood in an ear, from the ear test.

    AUG 15 I emailed complaint to top 5 people of OPTIMUS
    – In search for their eaddressed guess who I found on their
    BOARD of DIRECTORS – Esq Timothy A Bishop

    Jeze can you spare a dime?
    Actually can you spare a Quarter or 50 Cent?
    I might need help making BAIL or Psychiatric Evaluation?

    As my former MD who died in early 30s said
    Even Paranoid have real enemies ….

    All I asked was the people who manage the system – obey the rules.

    Before Jeze – others wise crack
    What if it was you and your family?

    Or are you next?
    Think you are protected?
    Exactly why do people who stole most of the world’s
    capital – need you?
    – It’s not like they haven’t double crossed others, is it?

    George, honest to goodness! Get over it willya?

    Jury duty appears innocuous – but they get you alone!

    No. Actually they don’t. You are never alone. You are always surrounded by citizens (some of them do have IPods….or at least they appear to be IPods).

  287. 287 mikereynolds

    It is clear that lately George is off his medication.

  288. 288 1george1

    No. Actually they don’t. You are never alone. You are always surrounded by citizens (some of them do have IPods….or at least they appear to be IPods).

    In court, people are relieved of phones, video, and audio recording
    devces. Judge, Bailiff/Guards, reporters/staff, government attorneys
    are hired – promoted – scheduled by political people.

    Docketing controls which attorneys are schedules.
    Government / politics control Jury Pool & selection process.

    SYLVIA warned – NEVER let them get you ALONE!
    There were blog readers and writers who respected SYLVIA
    and her political experience.

    CABLE could not connect to many Websites most of Wednesday,
    including the government jury website.
    I do NOT have Jury Duty.

    It is clear from repeated references to MEDS, that Mike Reynolds
    seems preoccupied with same.
    Perhaps it is Mike Reynolds who has cocaine or meds induced
    delusionsion? < Just playfully speculating.

  289. 289 jezebel282

    George,

    “In court, people are relieved of phones, video, and audio recording
    devces.”

    Not in the jury pool room. The chances of you making it past voire dire and actually getting into a courtroom are infinitesimal.

  290. 290 1george1

    Jeze,
    Inside the court house, near entrances, are metal detectors
    and tables with court guards and State Troopers.
    Further, with cold or hot or rain/snow – the line crowds inside.

    If a terrorist was going to strike a court house, that is where they
    would likely do the most damage.
    Cell phones / video / audio – NEVER get past the check point.

    Voir dire: phrase in law which comes from the Anglo-Norman
    language. In origin it refers to an oath to tell the truth
    (Latin verum dicere), i.e., to say what is true, what is objectively
    accurate or subjectively honest in content, or both.

    SWEAR to TELL the WHOLE TRUTH?

    JUDGES SUPPRESSES EVIDENCE

    LAWYERS phrase partial truths to elicit LIESS

    LAWYERS outright LIE & support LIES

    POLICE REPORTS include LIES to ENTRAP

    VER DICT = means TRUE SAY < Actual translation,

    Yet by HOOK & CROOK, how many RICH GUILTY or
    POLITICALLY CONNECTED and how many POOR,
    IGNORANT, and ALONE – are victimzed by the
    BLACK STONE / BLACK PEBBLE system of BLACK
    ROBED JUDGES?

    LIES are encouraged and perpetuated, if they are clever
    and discreet.

    And I am the CRAZY ONE?

  291. 291 jezebel282

    George,

    “Cell phones / video / audio – NEVER get past the check point.”

    Obviously, you have never been inside the courthouse or have ever been called for jury duty. They ALL get passed security. Have you ever seen an attorney without a cell phone?

    Aside from being possibly the most boring day of your life (make that “days” if you are selected), if you have a driver’s license, voter or pay taxes sooner or later you get the call to serve.

  292. 292 1george1

    I havebeen inside court house too many times.
    Mostly due to Mossman & USPS

    Since when are attorneys in the same category as jurors and
    defendants?

  293. 293 jezebel282

    George,

    I’m done arguing this point. They don’t take your cell phone away.

    “Since when are attorneys in the same category as jurors and
    defendants?”

    They all go through the same security portal.

  294. 294 1george1

    There is one entrance for the general population who wait in line,
    which extend well into the street and up about 50 steps.
    There are other entrances.
    They have separate security points.

    There are multiple court houses, with multiple situations.

  295. 295 jezebel282

    George,

    “There are other entrances.
    They have separate security points.”

    To be honest, I was kinda hoping we could keep the conversation sane. Silly me.

    You know, Town Hall has many entrances too. There are even offices that have doors. I heard rumors that they digitally record your every movement and speech. (maybe sitting in front of the camera the whole time is not such a good idea, huh?). I also hear that, from time to time (unannounced) there may be security personnel in Town Hall (they’re the ones from SPD with the badges).

    Maybe you should avoid that place too? Or perhaps your are counting on their incompetence?

  296. 296 1george1

    JEZE – How many video squares are on the TV Control panel
    in Town Hall basement?

    Answer 21

    During Town Council meeting, I went down elevator looking for
    an ethics meeting in the employee lounge.

    I stood behind the 5′ high sound proof petition for 10 minutes
    while the camera operator moved the cameras the 2 main larges
    screens, while 3 other smaller screens also had pictures on them.

    The other 16 smaller screens remained off / dark.

    Years ago, I was told room 217 had been bugged years before.
    The source was someone your respected.

    Why is it?
    1 – NO RADAR at SIKORSKY AIRPORT?
    2 – NO PAT DOWNS for PRIVATE JET PASSENGERS?
    3 – NO 24/7 SECURITY to protect against TERRORIST coming to
    Stratford to plant MORTARS, ROCKETS, or CANNON above the
    SIKORSKI HELICOPTER PLANT just 10 miles up MAIN STREET,
    with a high, steep hill overlooking a plant with over 6,000 loyal &
    patriotic Teamsters, who buld helicopter 1 and do a GREAT JOB
    building QUALITY HELICOPTERS for our HEROIC MILITARY?

    While you preferr wise cracks, which is fine, I would like prudent
    precautions, despite unlikely events, since AL QAEDA already
    used Bridgeport as a Staging area to plant a Bomb in Times Sq?

  297. 297 jezebel282

    From George:

    There are certain people who will mix and match support
    from a variety of sources, which even includes apparent
    diametric interests.
    > In lawyer think – it is analogous of controlling
    – Judge
    – Jury pool
    – your advocate
    – advocate of plaintiff / defendant
    – witnesses & evidence for position
    – witnesses & evidence supposely against position
    – Jury pool
    – appeal process
    – support personnel.

    > In Military think, strategy & tactics are analogous.

    > Intelligence uses counter intelligence – counter, counter intelligence –
    triple counter intelligence, whereas even allies fall all over each other
    believing someone else’s lies ….

    I did a LOL upon reading # 2 in CIA in Cold War was asked by # 1, who
    was MUCH YOUNGER, IF he intended to defect?

    (Punch line?) “Maybe I should?”
    “I think I have advanced as high as I can on our side!”

    (DENOUEMENT) It took # 2 several hours to convince # 1 he was
    kidding!

    The older police and fire are very, very worried as they know the
    budget machinations this year potend badly for the future.

    Even younger ones are starting to catch on ..

    Who da thunk it?
    NJ & NY less corrupt than CT.

    I work into NJ, NY, CT Towns & BoE.
    Last 2 years Budgets were SLASHED by M I L L I O N S.
    Jobs were cut.
    N O … O N E … dares .. to… circumvent … BID PROCESS.

    Budgets ain’t gettin better – only worse -and NO ONE will
    be able to RAISE TAXES.

    GOP / TEA PARTY hate LABOR.
    I support honest LABOR, GOOD PAY, BENEFITS,

    The higher than can get UNEMPLOYMENT, they cheaper
    they can hire pt help of Independent contractors without
    benefits. …..

    A friend told me …. the stripper do not get paid where they dance.
    They have to pay to get on stage and use advertisments to get
    customers to pay for …. services.

    GOP / TEA PARTY state Social Security is a PONZI SCHEME.
    Just imagine if REAGAN / BUSH / ROCKEFELLER were able to
    convince people to PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY.
    Your parents would be in the streets.
    The way it is going ….
    Another on my street foreclosure.
    Hey Country Club Vulture Capitalist vampires .. another
    Opportunity for you to flip ex-homes with school age children,
    so you can get a better version of nose candy …

    The GOP SPOILS SYSTEMER exasperated break down with
    (I believe) crooked cops / lawyers who (I believe) feasted on
    DRUGS (meat eaters) and INSIDER Trading to look the other way.

    HOFFA is RIGHT in that there is a WAR on LABOR.
    HOFFA and his KIND are as UNSYMPATHETIC as WALL STREET,
    who are about to be BURNED.

    KEEP the EYE on WEAPONS TRADING COUNTRIES.
    Only if WAR, WEAPONS, & DRUGS ceases will there be TRUE
    CHANGE.

  298. 298 1george1

    Here are mocking reviews of Conspiracy Theories.
    I have variations –
    Jeze – why not create a poll?
    Jeze – do you have theory


    The evolution of the 9/11 conspiracy theories
    By BBC News – 20 hrs ago

    This article, The evolution of the 9/11 conspiracy theories, originally appeared on the BBC News website.

    It may be 10 years since the attacks in the US on 11 September, but conspiracy theories have not faded over time, says Mike Rudin, the host of BBC’s “Conspiracy Files.”

    Numerous official reports have been published since the Twin Towers fell, but just when a piece of evidence casts doubt on one theory, the focus then shifts to the next “unanswered question”.

    Here are five of the most prominent 9/11 conspiracy theories circulating in online communities.


    1. Failure to intercept the hijacked planes

    The question: Why did the world’s most powerful air force fail to intercept any of the four hijacked planes?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The then US Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the military to stand down and not to intercept the planes.

    Official reports say: This was a highly unusual multiple hijacking with violence on board, and where the transponder, which provides the exact location of the plane, was turned off or changed.

    What is more, a routine military training exercise happened to be taking place that day at US air defence command.

    Air traffic controller Colin Scoggins was in constant contact with the military and did not see any lack of response. There was confusion and a lack of communication between the civilian air traffic control (FAA) and the military.

    The military’s equipment was also outdated and designed to look out over the ocean to deal with a Cold War threat.


    2. Collapse of the Twin Towers

    The question: Why did the Twin Towers collapse so quickly, within their own footprint, after fires on a few floors that lasted only for an hour or two?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The Twin Towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions. Theories relate to the rapid collapse (about 10 seconds), the relatively short-lived fires (56 minutes in World Trade Center 2 or 102 minutes in World Trade Center 1), reports of the sounds of explosions shortly before the collapse, and the violent ejections that could be seen at some windows many floors below the collapse.

    Official reports say: An extensive inquiry by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the planes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fire-proofing.

    Around 10,000 gallons of jet fuel were spewed over many floors starting widespread fires. Temperatures of up to 1,000C caused the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bend, causing the sounds of “explosions”.

    The massive weight of the floors dropped, creating a dynamic load far in excess of what the columns were designed for. Debris was forced out of the windows as the floors above collapsed.

    Controlled demolition is always carried out from the bottom floors up, yet this collapse started at the top.

    No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges despite the extensive hand searches and there is no evidence of any pre-cutting of columns or walls, which is routinely carried out in a controlled demolition.


    3. Attack on the Pentagon

    The question: How could an amateur pilot fly a commercial airplane in a complicated manoeuvre and crash it into the headquarters of the world’s most powerful military, 78 minutes after the first report of a possible hijack and leave no trace?

    Conspiracy theorists say: A commercial Boeing 757 did not hit the building but instead a missile, a small aircraft or an unmanned drone was used. But since evidence has increasingly shown that the American Airlines Flight 77 did hit the building, the emphasis has shifted to questioning the difficult approach manoeuvre. It is argued it was not under the control of al-Qaeda but the Pentagon itself.

    Official reports say: Airplane wreckage, including the black boxes, were recovered from the scene and they were catalogued by the FBI.

    Although some early video did not show much wreckage, there is a good deal of video and still photography which shows airplane wreckage and evidence of the flight path, such as broken lamp posts.

    The remains of crew and passengers on the plane were found and positively identified by DNA. Witnesses also saw the airplane strike the Pentagon.



    4. The fourth plane – United Airlines flight 93

    The question: Why was the crash site at Shanksville, Pennsylvania so small and why was the aircraft debris not visible?

    Conspiracy theorists argue: United Airlines flight 93 was shot down by a missile and disintegrated in mid air, scattering the wreckage over a large area.

    Official reports say: There are clear photographs showing aircraft wreckage and the cockpit voice recorder, which showed there had been a passenger revolt and the hijackers had deliberately crashed the plane.

    Initial theories that heavy debris was scattered many miles from the main crash site turned out to be false. In fact the wind had blown light debris such as paper and insulation just over a mile.

    Another theory was based on a misquote from the local coroner, Wally Miller, who said he stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies. What he also said was that he quickly realised it was a plane crash and there would have to be a large funeral service for the many victims.

    In addition, the military never gave orders to the air force to shoot the commercial airliner down.


    5. Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7

    The question: How could a skyscraper, which was not hit by a plane, collapse so quickly and symmetrically, when no other steel framed skyscraper has collapsed because of fire?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The World Trade Center Building 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition using both explosives and incendiaries.

    Initially the focus was on the phrase “pull it” used by the owner, Larry Silverstein, in a TV interview. But in fact he was talking about pulling firefighters back. (Demolition experts do not use the term “pull it” as slang for setting off explosives.)

    Now the focus has shifted to the speed of the collapse which reached near free fall for 2.25 seconds. It is argued only explosives could make it collapse so quickly and symmetrically.
    Some scientists, who are sceptical of the official account, have examined four dust samples from Ground Zero and claim to have found thermitic material which reacts violently when heated up. They claim tonnes of thermite and conventional explosives were rigged inside, not just WTC7, but also the Twin Towers.

    Official reports say: A three-year investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the building collapsed because of uncontrolled fires, started by the collapse of the nearby North Tower, and which burnt for seven hours.

    The mains water feeding the emergency sprinkler system was severed. No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges and there are no recordings of a series of very loud explosions that would have been expected with controlled demolition.

    Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the “thermitic material” the sceptical scientists found in the dust – it is just a type of primer paint. It’s calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity). More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee.

    Why the 9/11 conspiracies have changed

    Conspiracy theories have proliferated following the attacks in the US on 11 September 2001, and over the last decade these theories have taken many twists and turns, explains Mike Rudin.

    Ten years on from the attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people, conspiracy theories have continued to evolve. They now question every aspect of the official account, despite the fact that every year has provided more witnesses and evidence to bolster the official explanation.

    An opinion poll, carried out by Gfk NOP for BBC’s The Conspiracy Files in 2011, found that 14% of people questioned in the UK and 15% in the US did not believe the official explanation that al-Qaeda was responsible, and instead believed the US government was involved in a wider conspiracy. Among 16 to 24-year-olds that belief rises to around one in four.

    Since 9/11 there have been numerous lengthy and painstaking official reports – the 9/11 Commission, congressional investigations and many inquiries by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. None has ever found any evidence of a wider conspiracy.

    The myriad of conspiracy theories, on the other hand, are rarely spelt out in great detail – perhaps because when they are, they have been quickly debunked. Nor is a motive usually explained.

    Underlying distrust

    The starting point for 9/11 conspiracies is that many people find it hard to believe 19 young men, armed with just knives and box-cutters, could casually walk through airport security, hijack four commercial planes and then within the space of 77 minutes destroy three of the iconic symbols of America’s power, in the face of the world’s most powerful and technologically-advanced military superpower. It is a shocking thought.

    As with many conspiracy theories there is a distrust of anything official and disbelief that government and security forces, which are so often portrayed as invincible, can be beaten by a small group of poorly-armed men.

    It is a similar argument that questions whether a lone gunman could have killed President John F Kennedy, then the most powerful and best-protected man on the earth, or how someone so special as Princess Diana could die in a car crash.

    Nothing is taken on trust about 9/11. If an eyewitness, an official or an expert counters a conspiracy theory, their motives are immediately questioned.

    And the theories are ever evolving. When evidence comes forward that casts doubt on a theory, one rarely hears an admission that the theory must be wrong. Instead the focus shifts to the latest “unanswered question”.

    “We don’t know the full story of exactly what happened,” says American radio talk show host Alex Jones. “We know the official story is completely unproven and a fairy tale. I’m saying that it needs to be investigated.”

    Controlled demolition

    A number of conspiracies focus on the actual collapse of the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center.

    Initially many questioned how such huge skyscrapers, which had dominated the Manhattan skyline for so long, could be brought down by an hour or so of fires – alluding to the possibility of some kind of controlled demolition.

    But then the official report set out a rational explanation. And it also pointed out that contrary to the conspiracy theory, controlled demolition is always bottom up and not the top down collapse of the Twin Towers.

    So then the focus shifted to World Trade Center Building 7 – another huge skyscraper which also collapsed on 9/11, but which was not hit by a plane.

    The theory is that tonnes of explosives and an incendiary called thermite were used in a controlled demolition to destroy the building from the bottom up.

    But when it is pointed out that thermite has never been used in controlled demolition, the theory once again moves on and claims that new and secret types of explosives and incendiaries were used.

    So what is the attraction of conspiracy theories? And why are they so persistent?

    Writer and producer of 90s US television series The X-Files, Frank Spotnitz, offers an explanation. He argues that we live in an age of anxiety, where we do not know who to trust and what to believe in. Conspiracy theories, he says, offer “a magic key that fits all the pieces together” and makes sense of our uncertain world.

    ‘Fantasy event’

    Other conspiracy theories question whether a commercial Boeing 757 even hit the US military’s Pentagon headquarters in Washington DC.

    And another suggests the fourth plane, which crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, was shot down by a American military missile.

    Even the death of Osama Bin Laden in May 2011 is questioned. A host of different conspiracy theories suggest he died as early as 2001 or even that he was captured by American forces some time later.

    “It is utterly astonishing that we should be able to kill a man who actually died nine years earlier in this fantasy event in Pakistan,” says Prof Jim Fetzer.

    But judging by the BBC’s opinion poll, belief in conspiracy theories about 9/11 seems set to continue for a long time to come.

    Gfk NOP carried out the opinion poll for the BBC in the UK and USA in July. Both were telephone polls with 1000 adults and the margin of error is +/- 3%

    Question: Attacks were made on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon on September 11th 2001, commonly known as 9/11.

    It is generally accepted that these attacks were carried out by ‘Al Qaeda’.

    However some people have suggested there was a wider conspiracy that included the American Government.

    – Do you, yourself, believe that there was a wider conspiracy, or not?

    =============== “FOLLOW the MONEY” ===================

    What do YOU BELIEVE?

  299. 299 jezebel282

    From George:

    Oh – Most of Sikorsky assembly jobs will no longer be in Stratford.
    For under 1 % of the cost, Drones can replace ALL Helicopter
    GUNSHIP needs.
    Troop Transport, Cargo Transport, and rescue still necessary.

    If I was US President
    – Every State in the union would have a fleet of Helicopters for
    NATURAL DISASTERS * Fires * Hurricane * Flood * Earthquake
    – New London would be creating sub fleet for underwater life,
    like the Sci-fi Nautilus. We know less about underwater than
    about space. Ecologically temperature control better than above
    ground. Cost? Now Prohibitive.
    – Colonize Moon & Mars, after terraforming + creating atmosphere.
    – Terraform rivers – eliminating flood / increase desalinated +
    remediated water all across USA + the WORLD.
    – REVITALIZE DESSERTS.

    I sent this to CT POST & another = answers PORTIA


    50 words, after the title

    Plutocratic world order:
    .
    2012 Vladimir (or maybe?: Ras) Putin, running for Russian Presidency.
    .
    Why not USA too?
    .
    Since Bush(s) & Clintons in Cabinet Meetings since 1981:
    .
    Capitalism enabled Schumpeter’s Marxist’s “creative destruction.”
    .
    “Making chaos from Order?”
    .
    Adam Smith writings and George Marshall Plan creates:
    .
    Businesses, Jobs, and Wealth.
    .
    Were Eisenhower warnings’ too prescient?


    NOTE – Compare names V LADY MIR (peace) PUTIN to
    RASPUTIN was Russian MAD MONK
    Supposed influence over the last Czar Nicholas II – Russia,
    who was 1st cousin to Kaiser Wilhelm II, Germany
    who was 1st cousin to King George V, England
    ALL were grandsons of Queen Victoria, England whose empire
    conquored 25 % of the world’s population & land mass.

    > Excludes USA, where House of York contested House Winsor
    York Rite

    Scot Rite are subordinate to to Scotland Yard

    War College & Quantico run USA.
    They are run by England
    England run by Normans
    Many Royal marriages to mix the Blood genes
    Primogenitor and Gesellschaft work in Constitution & Magna
    Carta, where fagin knights, vampire the world.

  300. 300 jezebel282

    From George:
    AVCO was doomed by Infared Satellite technology developed
    to off set SOVIET overwhelming numbers of TANKS vs NATO.

    AVCO made TANK ENGINES.

    As soon as a TANK ENGINE is turned on
    the INFARED SIGNATURE seen from SPACE SATELLITES
    see BRIGHTER than a CHRISTMAS TREE!

    Missiles from Planes or frontiers or subs, could completely
    knock out every Soviet Tank.
    It was analogously proven in GULF WAR 1 & 2.

    If you were SOVIET TANK COMMAND, what lessons would you see?



    In Israeli – Arab Wars, all Arab airplane had homing devices either
    built into the airplanes or had after market additions..
    Guarenteed
    1. Israeli survival
    2. Elimination of Arab Pilots
    3. New Market for Airplanes, Tanks, Air Defense systems = $$

    Everyone was a winner, except the fodder.
    Much like our American economy.

    USA – BIG WAR + BIG OIL + BIG CRIME = # 1 ECONOMY
    USSR propped up by OIL = # 2 ECONOMY
    CHINA propped up by mass imported factory+Walmart Distributor = # 3
    GERMANY set up by Marshall Plan, contRolled by allies = # 4
    > MU NICHT = 12th Night = MU NICH (without “T” or Christ)
    JAPAN set up by Marshall Plan, contRolled by allies = # 5
    > Korea non sense = Sword of Damacles
    > what good to conquer world & lose your SeOUL?
    INDIA (UK Empike) propped up by imported mass jobs = # 6 Economy
    BRAZIL propped by masses, 50 % of S America, huge resources = # 7

    Look at the world like
    CHESS + MONOPOLY + RISK

    Trilateral Commission is OIL BASED and INTERNAL COMBUSTION
    ENGINE BASE ECONOMIES: last vestage INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION

    Rockefellers gave land to the UN
    Rockefellers controlled 100 % of US Oil Refining in 1880
    Rockefeller foundations, subsidiaries, and purchases dwarf Buffet
    and control a majority of share voting power in most major Stocks
    in every industry sector in the World.
    The Rockefellers are not necessarily INDEPENDENT = unlikely.

    Malcolm Forbes: “Capitalist Tool” is a like a prototype personification
    for the Bush, Clinton, Gates, Buffet, Jobs, Soros, Neutron Jacks,
    Waltons, Koch, Alderson, Bloomberg, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Brin, Page
    Paulson, Dell, Ballmer, Johnson, Mars, Knight, Icahn, Bren, Chambers,
    Perelman, Reagan, Carter, Obama, all ex Presidents / Senators /
    Congress / Governors.

    The real power is within PLANNING SYSTEM (including operations)

    They do not care who has how much money.
    They care about INTERESTS & POWER.

    If I ran them, there would be far less violence in the world.
    There would be far more prosperity.
    However, respecting individual choices, is a priority.
    Those also lead to conflicts.

  301. 301 jezebel282

    From George:

    ANOTHER:
    .
    Out of the night that covers me,
    Black as the pit from pole to pole,
    I thank whatever gods may be
    For my unconquerable soul.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance
    I have not winced nor cried aloud.
    Under the bludgeonings of chance
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears
    Looms but the Horror of the shade,
    And yet the menace of the years
    Finds and shall find me unafraid.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll,
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.
    .
    .
    Next to LAST:
    .
    .
    In brightest day, in blackest night,
    No evil shall escape my sight
    Let those who worship evil’s might,
    Beware my power… Green Lantern’s light!
    .
    .
    Diogenes or Deus genes?
    .
    Diogenes of Sinope was a controversial figure.
    He moved to Athens to debunk cultural conventions.
    Diogenes believed that virtue was better revealed in
    action than in theory.
    .
    Diogenes became notorious for his philosophical stunts
    such as carrying a lamp in the daytime, claiming to be
    looking for an honest man.
    He publicly mocked Alexander and lived.
    He embarrassed Plato, disputed his interpretation of
    Socrates and sabotaged his lectures.

    Diogenes was known as the DOG POET
    .
    LATIN:
    DOG = CANUS
    POET = VATIC

    The Catholic Church HQ in on DOG POET hill in ROME.
    CATIC ANUS

    It is the home of Dead Poets orignated from Eqyotian
    GEN = TRIBE
    ISIS = That / that or Egyptian God

    PROMETHEUS statue is in ROCKEFELLER center.
    Or is it?
    PRO – ME – THEUS = For My God?
    Or is it?
    P – ROME – THE – U,S, = Christ > roman the U.S.A
    .
    AME RICA = LOVE WOLF
    Rome founders
    ROMULUS = English anagram: SOUL RUM
    REMUS = SUMER (city – spelled backwards)
    -> Rome claimed decendency from Troy & Sumer
    -> Rome founders Romulus & Remus sucked by she wolf
    Hence WOLF MEN

    IRONIC – I was raise learning zero IRISH TRADITION/HISTORY
    PUBLIC & PAROCHIAL schooling turned me into a JUDEO /
    CHRISTIAN / CATHOLIC, with some MASONIC background.

    Attacks on me and my family were planned to appear seasonal
    and Zodiac based, while galvanizing individuals and groups,
    who are bound by criminal activity and secrecy, to the very
    creatures who will consume their children and childrens’ kids.

  302. 302 jezebel282

    From George:


    At this point, does anyone believe people in government are honest?
    I know the majority are honest & patriotic.
    Most do not have a clue of what is going on.
    Many will believe “GOLDMAN SACHS rules the WORLD” video gone
    VIRAL. The lack of sensitivity is accurate.
    I believe GOLDMAN is a SHELL for Rockefellers / Brown Brothers –
    Harriman, who I believe are fronts for WAR COLLEGE / QUANTICO
    who are politically connected to everything in USA.
    Who runs the world? DEAD PEO