Tea Party Caucus

28Jul11

What Debt Ceiling?

“On Wednesday, leaders of two prominent Tea Party groups, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation, and Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots called for Boehner to be replaced in light of his bill.
“Now Boehner is in the process of surrendering again. He is surrendering not to [President] Obama, but to the status quo in Washington,” Phillips wrote in a post on Tea Party Nation’s online forum. “The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance, which would cut $111 billion from the budget. It would cap spending and set a good course for the future.”
“Maybe we should see about a different Speaker right away,” Martin said. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) also said that he would vote against any bill that raised the debt ceiling and in fact will introduce a bill to lower it.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/173863-conservative-boehners-speakership-not-in-danger

We now see what “take our country back” actually means. It means taking it back to the Continental Congress, which was the last time the United States couldn’t pay it’s bills. These whackos would like to turn “Full Faith and Credit of the United States” into a meaningless phrase. The time to reasonably discuss budgets and the future of the United States is not when you have a gun to your head.

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70 Responses to “Tea Party Caucus”

  1. 1 sudds

    “We now see what “take our country back” actually means. It means taking it back to the Continental Congress, which was the last time the United States couldn’t pay it’s bills.”

    Jez… aren’t you the one who’s been leading the charge now for several years about how Stratford should not be run with a “blank check mentality”, and how the town should reduce spending (instead of increasing taxes) to balance its budget???

    Why does this not hold true for the Federal Government???

    Instead of not paying the bills… perhaps we should (I know this is shocking) reduce the bills that we have!?!?!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    “The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” Ronald Reagan

  2. 2 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “and how the town should reduce spending (instead of increasing taxes) to balance its budget???”

    Well, that would be a discussion for a budget conversation. Unfortunately this particular argument is about paying for what was already bought. Then there is that little matter of losing a triple A rating and paying higher interest on credit cards, auto loans, mortgages, college loans, business loans, etc.

  3. 3 jezebel282

    Oh…I almost forgot:

    “The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.” Ronald Reagan”

    Isn’t he the one who raised the debt ceiling 17 times in 8 years?

  4. 4 sudds

    “Unfortunately this particular argument is about paying for what was already bought.”

    Not (entirely) true… while this is part of the problem… another part is having to pay for all of Obama’s (not quite so) shovel-ready projects that are just starting to ramp up, entitlement programs that can (or as some of us think… SHOULD) be cut, etc, etc, etc.

  5. 5 sudds

    “Isn’t he the one who raised the debt ceiling 17 times in 8 years?”

    Ummm… Jezzy-baby…

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” Senator Barack Hussein Obama (March 20, 2006)

    (YES… I did add the Hussein part solely to fire-up George!!!) 😛

  6. 6 jezebel282

    Suddsy honey,

    “another part is having to pay for all of Obama’s (not quite so) shovel-ready projects that are just starting to ramp up, entitlement programs that can (or as some of us think… SHOULD) be cut,”

    You mean the programs passed by both houses of Congress? The one that puts money in infrastructure rather than bank’s balance sheets? Who thought up that TARP thing anyway? And do we really need to subsidize honey bee farms?

    As for “entitlements” perhaps eliminating the exemption on income over $110,000/year? Just a thought……

  7. 7 sudds

    “You mean the programs passed by both houses of Congress?” YES, and thank God the Dem’s werre too disorganized to get even more through!

    “And do we really need to subsidize honey bee farms?” Don’t get me wrong… I’m against about 99.9% of subsidy programs.

    “As for “entitlements” perhaps eliminating the exemption on income over $110,000/year?” I’m also (are you sitting down) NOT opposed to tax increases!!!

    I just think that there needs to be less “R vs D”… and more “what’s best for America”!!!

  8. 8 sudds

    What’s the matter Jezzy… no comment on this one???

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” Senator Barack Hussein Obama (March 20, 2006)

  9. 9 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    What’s the matter Jezzy… no comment on this one???

    I thought you were saving that for George?

  10. 10 1george1

    The United Stated Government does not have to borrow money
    from the Fed, nor does it have to auction money to foreign or
    domestic borrowers.
    A little some thing called Seigniorage.
    The Constitution grants power to the government to coin &
    print money.

    Nixon took the US off the Gold (& silver) Standard.
    I guess nothing except TRUST backs the Dollar?
    PHYSIOCRATS might disagree,
    The Federal Government owns well over 80 % of the land West of
    the Mississippi.
    The British Crown & other Crown gave Royal Land Grants to allies
    to govern in the Colonies. These lands could be and were sold, which
    monetized those who held the grants.
    Analogous situations happened when Congress gave LAND GRANTS to
    TRANSCONTINENTAL RAIL ROAD ROBBER BARRONS, who were able to
    Monetize or Capitalize on selling land diretly or using the Stock and
    Bond Markets for FUNDING using land as collateral.

    The United States can Tax Citizens and Businesses.
    – The United States can award contracts to FUND Businesses such as happened during WW I & WW II and other times, especially for the
    Marshall Plan of rebuilding Western Europe, Pacific Rim, British empire,
    setting up post colonial countries, and rebuilding America.

    If my asset to debt rato was anything close to that of the United States,
    I would be on EASY STREET.

    Over 20,000,000 people served in the WW II Military.
    Over 10,000,000 people were in Jails and prisons.
    They are each quasi socialistic in that FREE FOOD, MEDICINE,
    CLOTHING, HEAT, UTILITIES, etc.
    The downside is the restriction of movement and jeopardy one
    can be easily killed for whim of enemy or own ranking personnel

  11. 11 1george1

    My beliefs are somewhat Liberal politically and socially with kinda
    conservative in culture and economics, with cutting edge lunacy
    and healthy paranoia or cynicism regarding the nature of those who
    yield power or allow powers to be abused (there ARE DIFFERENCES).

    There are some, but not many confluence situations and beliefs with
    the Tea Party, but we do have commonalities which makes us both
    dangerous and necessary – We define winning differently and do NOT
    care about being elected or re-elected, and we wish to eviscerate
    the ABUSES.

    Like the most decorated Military Unit in WW II – 442 Infantry Regiment
    “GO FOR BROKE” Nisei Americans – My dad was a WW II Combat Vet
    in the Philippines andwas in the Sea of Japan when the Atomic Bombs
    hit JAPAN.

    My dad told me both sides had abuses. and Japanese believed in their
    system the way we believe in ours. He was proud of Japanese &Blacks
    who served in WW II, since IRISH were regarded as the NIGGERS of
    EUROPE & his father’s Bakery helped feed, irish, Polish, Italians, Jews,
    & others during the Depression.

    Only time I heard my grandfather swear was as it related to 1 worlders.
    Nothing wrong with the concept. The people he ran into were NFG.

    I am an AMERICAN MUTT. We have no royalty.
    I don’t have a single LACE CURTAIN in my non – SHANTY home.

  12. 12 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “I did add the Hussein part solely to fire-up George!!!”
    Happy now? Did you really think George needed to be fired up?
    As sure as the sun comes up in the morning, George has hijacked the topic and brought it back to his own planet.

    As for the Obama quote, I have thought about that one. I hope I don’t hold the same opinions about every single thing that I did 5 years ago. Be that as it may, he was absolutely correct a year before the economy collapsed. Just as Chamberlain declared “peace in our time”…sh*t happens.

    What the government should have, would have, could have done will be debated long after we are both dead. It will be a lot easier then to say “Well, of course! We should have [Fill in Blank] ___________.”

    No matter what, the political conversation about the debt ceiling by both parties (but especially the “Tea Party”) is irresponsible, ignorant and childish. We should be ashamed of our government.

  13. 13 1george1

    Very clever to use the Alice in Wonderland Mad Hatter Tea Party
    as a comparison to the Tea Party as Mad as Hatters (mercury poison).

    Alice in Wonderland is filled with allusions and symbolism.
    The intellectuals in American Intelligence adopted same and call
    some of what they do as watching through the looking glass
    (computer monitors)

    Per your reference to Neville Chamberlain, he too was a minion of his
    Central Casting who raised up the titular heads of Europe with “TAGS
    NAMES” which either describe their roles or reference the roles of what
    might be called their counter point.

    “A Hitler” is an anagram spelling “t h e L I A R”
    Such is the role he played with the “big lie.”

    The name NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN is a very bad pun of the TAG NAME
    to describe Hitler.
    NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN is an anagram for “An EVIL LECH am BERLIN.”
    This is almost in exact sequence.

    CHURCHILL = “CHURCH + ILL” or “C HUR CHILL”

    NAZI refers to Deutsch jewish ashkeNAZI and Deutsch christian
    believers of Christ the NAZerine.

    Very bad pun on “12th night” is “MU NICHT” for “Munich” beer hall putsch,
    by crazed “putz”
    Their is no christianity in the Nazi believe, so one can deduct the “t”
    from mu nicht (mu = 12 + nicht = night) to create the “ACT in MU NICH”

    Was Rudolph Hess really a British or French hire and secret agent to
    groom Hitler for his “ROLE” and TAG NAME?

    Was Admiral Forrestal really crazy or was he a patriot who was suicided?

    HERE IS the SALIENT & RELEVANT POINT!!
    1 – Are the decendents doing the same thing in america, they did
    in pre Nazi Germ ANY?

  14. 14 sudds

    “We should be ashamed of our government.”

    Something we can COMPLETELY agree on!!!

  15. 15 1george1

    Actually as great as our country is and for all the things we are
    allowed to do, the history of this Country in the eyes of the
    Intelligencia all over the world and informed people in the USA,
    related to Indians, Blacks, certain minorities, past with Jews,
    Catholics, Protestants, Masons, and other is far from perfect.

    There is a wickness in the top levels of the world who make huge
    fortunes preying an people, which make the Mafia and Gangs look
    like CHOIR BOYS.

    COCAINE doesn’t grow around here. It is farmed and Distributed
    with FDA Qaulity. Same with POT & other things. There is a net
    work allowed by Police / FBI etc which the Patch Robert Chambers
    writer might agree.

    The Stock, Bond, and Real Estate Markets were wiped out.
    Many people lost home. More are in process.
    Too many homeless.
    Social Security may be $ 11,000 a year, with many Taxes $ 6,000
    and more, with people who bought capes with great location
    around or before WW II likely paying more in Taxes than the home
    originally cost?

    The government insiders have been vicious for as long as ….
    Pearl Harbor was predicted in 1926 by Billy Mitchell who was courts
    Marshalled, so it is NOT like the Entire Military Brass were surprized
    by Dec 7.
    Rumsfeld & Cheney were Sec of Defense in Cold War.
    No aircover over D C or NYC on 9/11?
    Summer 1987, Oliver North named Osama Bin Laden during the
    Iran Contra Hearings.
    Then they find and build up Barrack Obama?

    It was all planned and people should be TICKED & ASHAMED!

    Nixon & McNamara books note 1900 -2000 over 100 million died
    in ARMED CONFLICT, where arms dealers and financiers made
    huge fortunes, while the world was opiated …

  16. 16 jezebel282

    Update:

    “The bill, which narrowly passed the House with 218 Republican votes and none from Democrats, would allow the government to keep borrowing only until November or December and then require both the Senate and the House to pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the limit could be raised again.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/30/opinion/its-up-to-the-senate.html

    Just as a civics refresher: Any amendment to the Constitution must pass both houses of Congress by a two thirds majority (good luck with that). Then it must be ratified by a minimum of 38 State Legislatures . No problems there. On average, that takes between 7 and 10 years.

    Should the unthinkable happen and the United States default on its debt, the first payments that should be suspended are the $3,200/week paychecks received by members of Congress.

  17. 17 sudds

    “Should the unthinkable happen and the United States default on its debt, the first payments that should be suspended are the $3,200/week paychecks received by members of Congress.”

    AMEN Mr. Sister!!!

  18. 18 1george1

    agreed

  19. 19 jezebel282

    Update:

    The deal has apparently been reached. The GOP gets everything they want (starve the beast) and the “job creators” (wealthy) have been spared from contributing a penny more. Not so much for Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid recipients.

    I guess we can expect a huge amount of hiring to begin. The unemployment rate should go down to 2% any minute now.

  20. 20 1george1

    I agree with the sarcasm

  21. 21 jezebel282

    George,

    “I agree with the sarcasm”

    I couldn’t think of a different way to phrase it. I’m not even sure it deserves serious discussion. Even from Portia. Somehow the villains have become senior citizens and poor people. The heroes have become “job creators” and those who would like government to disappear completely.

    Of course, in the meantime, the “official” jobless rate is still at 9.2% (17% might be more accurate), gas is $4/gallon and no one can sell their house or get a loan.

    The best metaphor I’ve heard lately is that of a person who says “I should lose weight but my house is on fire. I think I’ll lose weight first.”

  22. 22 portia1776

    To: Leftist Propaganda Bots
    From: The Committee to RE-Elect the President Obama
    Subject: Dekulakization

    Keep up the great work! The kulaks (aka “Tea Partiers”) are in retreat!

    The mid-terms were a cause for much hand-wringing. Some feared that the results would leave the House in greedy kulak hands! One of our own Representatives, John Conyers (congratulations on 47 years in Congress!), after meeting some of these disgustingly principled creatures, publicly worried that “This is the first time that I can remember being confronted by members of the Congress, my colleagues, who say, ‘I don’t care if I get reelected or not, I want to cut the budget by $100 billion or whatever… It’s a dangerous point of view from my perspective.”

    You can’t play the game with so many players who don’t play ball, or so the progressive pessimists among us lamented.

    But those doubters were merely succumbing to neo-liberal propaganda, and should promptly report for self-criticism. It is unimaginable that a progressive country, such as this one is so fast becoming under our careful controls, could then be taken over, in a single election, by unconquered ones. Our collectivist project is too far advanced to be so easily undone by these rare representatives who take their oath seriously to “support and defend the Constitution” — that dusty, old irrelevance to a bygone era of individualist “negative liberties” (self-government, freedom of conscience, equal justice, privacy, private property), which we have worked so hard and so long to shred.

    And who is there to undo it, exactly?

    Our infiltration is so complete as to render the kulaks a minority in their own party! A pitiful 22 representatives remained standing when the dust settled in Congress this past week. While all the GOP senators are opposed to the CFPB — our next leap forward to have centralized government control of Americans’ financial lives — what they actually are proposing are reforms, not repeal. No more than a handful of kulaks are in the senate, standing, as they are wont, athwart history.

    (These good government-type reformers wish to make our beloved bureaucracy more “accountable” and “transparent,” stupidly missing that its lack of both is precisely Elizabeth Warren’s genius stroke. Only experts should ever be entrusted with such important personal financial decisions, in order to decide which individuals should be sacrificed to the greater common good).

    So much for the “Tea Party tidal wave.” So much for those supposedly brave patriots sworn to defend their precious Republic and Constitution “against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” At this rate, we may even get our jello-like friends, Boehner and McConnell, to go along with our health care rationing scheme (IPAB). As long as it’s not a tax increase, right? Let this awareness warm your heart whenever maddening “Tea Party” commonsense arguments assault your well-ordered mind. Just listen to the horrendously honest and righteous remarks of kulak Senator Marco Rubio:

    “….it’s important to remind people what we’re debating because although it is a difficult and important issue, it is not a complicated one to understand. It’s pretty straight forward.

    ….the United States of America… spends about $300 billion a month. It has $180 billion a month that comes to the federal government through taxes and other sources of revenue and that means that in order to meet its bills at the end of every month it needs to borrow $120 billion.

    Now, for much of the history of this country, there have been increases in the debt limit and the ability to borrow money. But what has happened over the last few years is that it’s no longer a routine vote because the people who give us our credit rating are saying too much of the money that you spend every month is borrowed and we want you to show us how over the next ten years you are going to borrow less as a percentage of what you spend.

    And so that’s why, for years, where the debt limit was [a] routine vote, it no longer can be….. the reality [is] that we cannot continue to borrow 40% to 41% of every penny that the government spends…

    So you would think that seeing that, our government and our leaders here in both parties would react to that immediately and work on it.
    And I’ve heard lot of talk today about delaying tactics and delaying votes. I would argue to you that this issue has been delayed at least for the last two and a half years.

    In the two years before I even came here, this chamber neither proposed nor passed a budget. It is a startling figure that for the last two years this government has operated without a budget. So think about that. Two years have gone by without a budget. The first two years that the President was the president, no budgets.

    Some people would say, well, that’s because of partisanship in Washington. Well, that’s not true. In the two years before I got here, both the House and Senate were controlled by members of the Democratic Party, which are the President’s party. In fact, in this chamber for at least one of those two years, 60 votes, 60 out of the 100 members here caucused with the Democrats. And as you recall, on Christmas Eve of the year 2009, they were able to pass a health care bill that was very controversial because they had the 60 votes in the President’s party.

    Over two years, no budget. In fact you know how long it has been since this chamber proposed a budget? Forget passed a budget, proposed a budget? 822 days. That’s a long time. A lot of things have happened in the last 822 days, but proposing a budget is not one of them out of this chamber.

    So then I got here – and we got here in January, seven months have passed, still no budget. Again, no budget passed, proposed, offered. Here’s our budget. Still no budget. 822 Days and every single day that I’ve been here.

    Now, in the last seven days on this debt debate, we have finally seen a proposal from the esteemed senator from Nevada, the majority leader… [H]as he brought it to the floor to vote? Not until last night. So, again, offered a proposal over the weekend and still for six days we sat around and what did we do around here? Nothing. It was never brought to a vote.

    You would think these issues would have been worked on in January, February, March — nothing. This chamber has done nothing. You talk about delay tactics? They’ve been delaying for two and a half years.

    Now the President doesn’t have the luxury of some of these things. He has to propose a budget by law, and he did. Let me tell you how ridiculous the budget was. Not a single member of this Senate voted for it, including the Democrats. It is a budget that didn’t lead with the debt limit; in fact, it increased the debt…

    Where is the President plan? We haven’t seen it. We haven’t seen it. Here‘s the President’s plan: a blank sheet of paper. He doesn’t have a plan. He hasn’t offered a plan. Again, if this were a Republican president, I would say the same thing.

    I do not understand how an issue of this magnitude, of generational importance, the President of the United States has not offered a plan. If someone has seen the president’s plan, please send it to me because no one else has seen it. It does not exist.

    So this has been the plan all along, by the way. The plan all along was not to take a position, to let the days count down until we got to this point with 72 hours to go and then force a vote on something that they wanted. I believe that that has been the plan the entire time. And you can see it carrying itself out.

    You want to know why people all across America get grossed out about politics? It’s by watching this kind of stuff happen.

    And instead let me tell you what we’ve seen for the last few days. First of all, for today and for much of this time I have heard all these attacks and name-calling. If we had $1 billion for every time I heard the words “tea party extremist,” we could solve this debt problem.

    So all this name-calling… let me read some quotes about this debt limit and I found some pretty extremist quotes.

    Here’s one.

    It says, “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt.” A quote from a tea party extremist, right? No. This is a quote from March 16 of 2006 from Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

    I found another extremist quote. This one says, “Because this massive of accumulation of debt was predicted, because it was foreseeable, because it was unnecessary, because it was the result of willful and reckless disregard for the warnings that were given and for the fundamentals of economic management, I am voting against a debt limit increase.” Well, that must be from a tea party extremist member of the House, right? No. This is March 16, 2006, from Senator Joe Biden of Delaware.

    And last but not least, here’s a quote from September 27 of 2007. It says, “I find it distasteful and disturbing to increase the debt limit yet again. Clearly we need to change course and this debt limit bill is just another reminder of that.” And that is from the distinguished Senator from Nevada, the majority leader. On that date in 2007.

    And yet now these same quotes in this context, [when] we’re talking about raising the debt limit more than has ever been raised in one vote, is extremism? This name-calling is absurd and it sets this process back.

    …..

    Compromise is fantastic.

    I would love nothing more than to leave this building tomorrow night having said the republic still works. I was able to stand shoulder to shoulder with people from states far from mine with views different from mine but who love their country so much that we were able to come together and save it when it faced this catastrophe.

    I would love nothing more than compromise. But I would say to you that compromise that’s not a solution is a waste of time.

    If my house was on fire, I can‘t compromise about which part of the house I’m going to save. You save the whole house or it will all burn down.

    We either save this country or we do not.

    And to save it, we must seek solutions.”

    Let this serve as a reminder of the importance of achieving President Obama’s target of ZERO kulaks in Washington.

    This fictitious debt ceiling crisis, as every crisis we conjure, has once again worked to our advantage. Federal spending will increase as if nothing happened — and, really, what did we “sacrifice”?! Just look at this beautiful kulak chart:http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/debt-deal-spending-in-perspective/ — giving us ample borrowed tax-payer money with which to bribe voters, while simultaneously pushing the country closer to a real default. And then, viva El Obama, viva la revolucion! Our utopia at long last achieved!

    Now for the short-term bad news. One or more of the credit ratings agencies will reduce America’s credit rating. (We must work harder for ratings relativism: Why should AAA ratings be better than a CCC+ ratings? All ratings should be equal!). Interest rates will rise in response. Debt and interest payments will consume an increasingly large portion of the total budget. Debasement of the currency, inflation, proliferation of regulations, the insatiable growth of entitlement programs all will, as a disease, progressively hurt our convenient low-income, sick, young or senior vulnerables in need of more government control (remember to refer to them as “constituents” in public in order to show that we care and wish to help them). Our victory, in other words, comes at the expense of beleaguered American tax-payers and the unfortunate we use as propaganda props (think of the children! the kulaks are attacking granny!)… including those not yet born. But because this calamity will occur in the wake of such a “historic bipartisan compromise,” the kulaks will take all the blame!

    Sorry, did we say “bad” news? We meant to say great news! President Obama’s command-and-control policies are working according to plan, reducing formerly individualistic, entrepreneurial, meritocratic, and civic-minded Americans to a self-defeated, frustrated, hopeless, and government-dependent mass. Look at his great and glorious achievements after just two years in office: food stamps (all time high), poverty (highest on record), overall unemployment and underemployment (double-digits and highest ever for men), young people and minority unemployment and underemployment (even higher than the minimum wage “norms” and black middle class set back 30 years), and makers vs. takers (half the country doesn’t pay federal income taxes). As for the national debt, yearly deficit, size of the national government, number of new regulations, compliance costs? All unprecedented. And best of all? The public will blame the kulaks, simply because we tell them.

    Okay, not to demean our work, but the DoE’s “mediocrity first” program has worked better than planned, producing a wonderfully compliant population. The Patriot Act and TSA and Obamacare could not have been achieved even a decade ago. Americans would never have surrendered their cherished liberties back then.Those were the bad old days when President Clinton, that pseudo-kulak sell-out, was peddling his free-market fundamentalism: “We know big government does not have all the answers. We know there’s not a program for every problem. We have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means. The era of big government is over”

    And boasting about his bourgeois capitalist administration’s achievements: “Our economy is the healthiest it has been in three decades. We have the lowest combined rates of unemployment and inflation in 27 years. We have created nearly 8 million new jobs, over a million of them in basic industries, like construction and automobiles. America is selling more cars than Japan for the first time since the 1970s. And for three years in a row, we have had a record number of new businesses started in our country. Our leadership in the world is also strong, bringing hope for new peace. And perhaps most important, we are gaining ground in restoring our fundamental values. The crime rate, the welfare and food stamp rolls, the poverty rate and the teen pregnancy rate are all down. And as they go down, prospects for America’s future go up.”

    Hard to believe what a difference a couple elections can make. We have progressed beyond such a shallow, materialistic, and antiquated vision of America toward one that is united in social justice and imposing our ideological vision on the future regardless of costs in individual lives.

    Bots are reminded of our general rule to make statements that cannot be documented, and that such statements must be so formulated that they are incapable of documentary refutation.* Note especially President Obama’s masterful one-sentence defense of the stimuli effort: “we took a series of emergency steps that saved millions of jobs, kept credit flowing, and provided working families extra money in their pockets.” It matters not that all of these things are demonstrable false.

    Note also, in this context, Jezabel’s mischievous charges that the “Tea Party” wants to take the country “back to the Continental Congress”; “these whackos” — great use of ad hominem — “would like to turn ‘Full Faith and Credit of the United States’ into a meaningless phrase”; deliberate confusion of the debt ceiling with default; “this particular argument is about paying for what was already bought”; “The GOP” — we need to stress GOP=kulaks more — “gets everything they want,” and “the villains have become senior citizens and poor people” –- Krugman-quality use of false choices, imagined enemies, class warefare, emotional sting-pulling, and demonizing the wrong enemy –- “The heroes have become “job creators” and those who would like government to disappear completely.”

    These statements are, in the enemy’s peculiar sense of the term, “false” (that is, intentionally inaccurate). But statements that we wish to be true whether they are or not, clearly fall under our White Lies dispensation.* Down with the tyranny of facts!

    Remember: conformity is the sincerest form of non-conformity,
    CREEP-O

    P.S. Thank you Jezabel for a master class in leftist talkingpointology.

    *Apologies to Willmoore Kendall for the inspiration for this post as well as a couple quotations.

  23. 23 jezebel282

    Portia,

    “P.S. Thank you Jezabel for a master class in leftist talkingpointology.”

    You’re welcome. Although I need to remember to use more labels and adjectives the way you do. It makes it almost seem like you know what you are talking about. ;=)

  24. 24 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Although I much prefer original content (You know, stuff you write yourself and don’t copy and paste?) I will take a moment and respond a bit.

    For all of your championing of our “free market” as the only solution, the problem remains in finding a free market. We haven’t had one of those in quite a long time. We have been on a merging binge reducing competition the entire way. Corporations are sitting on huge cash reserves. Apple has more cash on hand than the US Government. Will they hire more people? No, don’t be silly. They will acquire more companies and layoff thousands.

    The problem is not Obama (more on this in a minute). The actual villains are quite anonymous and hugely wealthy. (I know, I know…George will be here any second). The fact remains that no politician can be elected without huge sums of money. They will do absolutely anything to get it. They do not hold office so much as run a campaign financing organization.

    Obama is a huge disappointment. Not unlike Harkins. We had hoped for change and what we got was more of the same but without the blathering idiocy. One has to wonder if Hillary Clinton doesn’t actually have more balls than Obama.

    Now as for a comment that appeared in your post “half the country doesn’t pay federal income taxes”. That is so misleading that I am almost disgusted and offended by it. For that to be true as it implies, half the country is living on $20,000/year or less. Obviously that is not the case. On the other hand, it is more than believable that of those who pay taxes, enough of them qualify for credits, shelters and deductions that brings their tax owed to zero. Like GE.

    I am not sure where the answer truly lies. I am sure it is not with politicians and political parties. The other thing I am sure of is that if we cannot return 22 million people to work no amount of cutting or taxing will ever balance a budget.

  25. 25 sudds

    “For that to be true as it implies, half the country is living on $20,000/year or less.”

    Psssst… Jez… last March I did a Federal Income Tax Return for someone who made over $35,000 last year… his 2010 Income Tax… $0.00!!!

  26. 26 jezebel282

    Single? Married? Dependents? Homeowner?

  27. 27 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    No offense, but I was trying for a little clarity. Just because a person pays zero on April 15th or even gets a refund does not mean they didn’t already pay Federal taxes.

  28. 28 jezebel282

    Portia,

    Just a quick (ok, maybe not so quick) update on my “leftist talkingpointology” after having read Mr Rubio’s (R-FL) manifesto that you were kind enough to copy and paste.

    In my opinion, such as it is, Mr. Rubio’s comments exemplify some of the fundamental problems of the way we govern ourselves. It is a philosophy of win at any cost and if you can’t win at least throw as much mud on the opponent as possible. Mr. Rubio spends so many words on the President and the Democrats that it is hard to tell what his solutions are. Perhaps he realizes that a balanced budget amendment is a ridiculous “solution” and is just plain embarrassed to propose it. Sigh…be that as it may, what Americans need are actual solutions. There is real widespread suffering & pain in the United States and no one from Wall Street to Washington seems to give a damn. And I really do mean no one.

    What would a budget look like if 22 million Americans were back to work at full time jobs? My guess would be “A whole helluva lot better”. (Maybe Sudds can share the actual economic term with us.) I do not hear a single politician or business leader talking about this. All I hear is “Entitlement Reform” (cutting Social Security & Medicare), “Compliance Costs” (you mean I can’t dump that barrel of PCB’s into the river?) and helping “Job Creators” (so they’ll have more money to donate to politicians). Who is talking about small business grants (not loans, g-r-a-n-t-s), investment funds for startups, disincentives (tax) for moving production facilities out of the United States and yes, nationalized medicine like every other industrialized country in the world. You won’t hear it from the Tea Party, the GOP nor the Democrats.

    We seem to have made the worst choice possible. We have put politicians in charge of things.

  29. 29 1george1

    JEZE: Portia, Although I much prefer original content
    (You know, stuff you write yourself and don’t copy and paste?)

    GEO: You never seem to write that about my posts, do you? 😉

    PORTIA – Good to have you back.
    Despite, nailing, Obama, Biden, & Reid, you also nail Tea Party
    and both so-called (nominal) Democrats and Republicans.

    Did I read parts of you manifesto, where you contradict yourself?

    Wouldn’t it be within your ideology, if the Town Council, Mayor,
    Attorneys, and rank political and goverment personnel actually
    acted along the lines, which You appear to support? 8)

  30. 30 1cyclops

    Can’t blame me for this financial mess – I supported and voted for Hillary Clinton and so should have all of you. Obama can’t handle any of this and you all should have seen that.

  31. 31 jezebel282

    Cyclops,

    “so should have all of you”

    No argument here.

  32. 32 1cyclops

    Obama lacks leadership – you see that day in and day out. He should think seriously about NOT running for a second term.

  33. 33 sudds

    “Just because a person pays zero on April 15th or even gets a refund does not mean they didn’t already pay Federal taxes.”

    Pay attention my little Commi friend…

    “his 2010 Income Tax… $0.00!!” I did not say his Federal return or payment… I said his TAX!!! He actually had withholding deducted from his weekly check, but he got ALL of it back!!!

  34. 34 sudds

    “For that to be true as it implies, half the country is living on $20,000/year or less.”

    Hey Jezachov,

    Do you know what the 2010 Tax would have been for someone who made $20,000 and had two children???

    Trick question.. their tax actually would have been ZERO… AND… they would have gotten an Earned Income Credit (i.e. our tax dollars going to them) of over $4,000!!!

  35. 35 sudds

    “What would a budget look like if 22 million Americans were back to work at full time jobs? My guess would be “A whole helluva lot better”.”

    I know… imagine if Obama had actually TRIED to create jobs???

  36. 36 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Pay attention my little Commi friend…”, says the Capitalist that prepared the tax returns.

    But back to the point. Apparently he was working and received a paycheck. I am going to guess that you didn’t prepare 1040EZ for him. So what was he allowed to deduct? Medical expenses? Dependents? Alimony? Mortgage interest? Property taxes? Or did he get to spend his $650/week on himself alone without a penny in tax?

    “Do you know what the 2010 Tax would have been for someone who made $20,000 and had two children???
    Trick question.. their tax actually would have been ZERO… AND… they would have gotten an Earned Income Credit (i.e. our tax dollars going to them) of over $4,000!!!”

    LOL! Are you jealous of someone trying to raise 2 children on $461/week?

  37. 37 jezebel282

    “imagine if Obama had actually TRIED to create jobs???”

    Or the 535 members of Congress.

  38. 38 mikereynolds

    Can someone point out to me where in the Constitution it says that the executive and legislative branches of our government are responsible for creating job?

    I always thought that in our system it was up to business to create jobs.

  39. 39 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “I always thought that in our system it was up to business to create jobs.”

    Good point. Any ideas who we should contact about that?

  40. 40 mikereynolds

    I guess you can contact any CEO, President, or owner of a company and ask them why they aren’t creating jobs.

    But I can tell you that contacting the Mayor, the Governor, your state reps, our reps and Senators in Washington won’t do much since they don’t create jobs. About all they can do is foster an environment where businesses do well enough where they are inclined to create new jobs.

  41. 41 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “About all they can do is foster an environment where businesses do well enough where they are inclined to create new jobs.”

    You mean like this?

    “Study finds Connecticut’s business tax burden is lightest in the nation
    August 3, 2011
    By Keith M. Phaneuf

    Despite its reputation as an expensive place to do business, Connecticut’s state and local governments imposed the smallest tax burden last year of any state when compared with its economic output, according to a new study released by a trade group for major corporations.
    The survey prepared for the Council on State Taxation found that while its neighbors imposed tax burdens that ranged between 4.3 and 6.2 percent of gross state product, the $22.9 billion that Connecticut businesses paid represented just 3.3 percent of the state’s eco
    nomic output. The national average was 5 percent”
    http://www.ctmirror.org/story/13485/trade-study-finds-connecticuts-business-tax-burden-lightest-nation

    Contacting millions of business owners is not reasonable. We can probably look at the cash reserves of public corporations as an indicator. Those reserves tend to be enormous which means they are sitting on piles of cash. But most companies are not publicly traded.

    For the small to medium size enterprise the story is completely different. Their access to capital and cash has been severely limited. Banks are not lending cash anymore. Neither is the SBA. That makes payrolls solely dependent upon revenues if there is anyone left to sell to. Planning is nearly impossible. How do you credibly issue a sales forecast that is close to accurate when 22 million people are unemployed and 46 million Americans receive Food Stamps?

    Add the cost of healthcare to SME’s and it’s a wonder that any small businesses are left. With the rise of private healthcare insurance premiums at a rate of 12-50% every single year for the past 10 years it adds 15-20% or more to the overhead cost of any new employee. (There is always the Walmart solution: pay your employees so little that they qualify for Medicaid). The United States is the only industrialized country that places the entire burden of healthcare on businesses.

    Those are only two factors. Add to that the “competence” of the Federal, State and Town governments that we’ve all witnessed over the last _____ months and you begin to understand the problem.

  42. 42 1cyclops

    The real estate market was energized somewhat by the stimulus plan when firtst time home buyers were granted $8,000 towards their downpayment for a home. Was there a provision that these folks had to keep the home for a miniumum time or are they allowed to sell it at any time and what becomes of the $8,000 taxpayer subsidy? A home next door to me is for sale after only 15 months and they received the subsidy – do they have to repay it or not? Does anyone know?

  43. 43 jezebel282

    Cyclops,

    “do they have to repay it or not? Does anyone know?”

    If, within 36 months of the date of purchase, the property is no longer used as your principal residence, you are required to repay the credit. Repayment of the full amount of the credit is due at the time the income tax return for the year the home ceased to be your principal residence is due. The full amount of the credit is reflected as additional tax on that year’s tax return. Form 5405 and its instructions will be revised for tax year 2009 to include information about repayment of the credit.
    http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206293,00.html

  44. 44 1cyclops

    thanks

  45. 45 1george1

    WW II + the Marshall Plan created more jobs than anytime in History.
    Prior to, during, & after, the Military created a command economy
    & effectually built & coordinated most of the 5,000 largest companies,
    according to (socialist-millionaire-canadian) J K Galbraith.

    Most of those command economy companies were overpaid by the
    U S Government (like $ 20k hammer), allowing extra money for the
    companies to pay for benefits and good pay.

    Each Congressional district had multiple large companies like these
    (sikorsky + AVCO) which were FEEDER Companies and ECONOMIC
    ENGINES, where as private and smaller companies were subcontractors
    or sold to the familes of people with improved jobs, who could afford
    to buy more due to discretionary money from higher wages.

    Sudd is right in his principle economics.
    If all of the lower and middle income had more money/income, they
    would not be taking unemployment, welfare, credits and would be able
    to afford to pay income taxes, property tax ftom owning homes/vehicles
    and personal property.
    Profitable Business invest more in workers and property when it is in
    their interest to expand or be left behind.

    During Reagan years they had flash recessions around the country.
    The Fed had to pump money back into certain of the 12 Fed Districts.
    Except certain parts of California & FL. DRUG MONEY
    Over 96 % of $ 100 Bills had cocaine on them.
    It was a concentration of Wealth, breaking down the money sent to the
    FEEDER companies, where th money was no longer in Communities.

    Gambling casinos hord CASH that would be better placed in the
    Communities, where “velocity” is the term of how money circulates.

    Big Oil & Gas & coal, deplete money in the Community, and brings it to
    Big Oil, who benefits from helping Russia, China, East Europe, O.P.E.C
    ROYAL kingdoms and Empires, where international interests of a few
    replace the quality of life issues for the many in America.

    They deserve props for increasing quality of life & income in the most
    popullous countries in the World, but not at the expense of the peole
    who fight the wars and did the work.

  46. 46 1george1

    The above is likely to be unread by Mike, Cyclops, and others.
    Likely to be moved by Jeze.

    Jeze, Sudds, & Portia may disagree with parts, but is it solid
    economics, which is also a sad tale.

  47. 47 jezebel282

    George,

    “Likely to be moved by Jeze.”

    Although I was sorely tempted, you did manage to sneak in the words “economic” and “taxes” sprinkled with a few others. I am still mystified as to what your point was.

    Perhaps it was this; beginning at about 1939 the economy was driven by government spending on war and reconstruction. However, in the 21’st century it was driven by consumer spending. This mystical “consumer” has had the crap beaten out of him and his wallet stolen. Are we left with nothing driving the economy?

  48. 48 jezebel282

    Update:

    Markets drop 4%

    Q. Who made a ton of money?
    A. Brokers (10.5 BILLION shares traded)

  49. 49 1george1

    JEZE: Update: Markets drop 4%
    Q. Who made a ton of money?

    A. Brokers (10.5 BILLION shares traded)

    GEO:
    B. Shortsellers
    C. Hedge Funds
    D) Exchanges

  50. 50 jezebel282

    George,

    B & C are correct, but they also have to pay broker commissions. Not so much D.

    But once again, 401K type funds are barred from shortselling. It is illegal. It is like only be allowed to bet on Black. Yesterday Red came up 99.999% of the time. If you have a 401K you took a big hit.

  51. 51 1george1

    MARKET INDEX down over 10 % over last 10 days

    Winners:
    Anti Union Pension & anti Pension sabotuers
    Anti Financial Institutions

    Each has kited reserves from the T.A.R.P. helping
    cause the DJIA up 80 %.

    Some of the money was repaid, from a fraction of
    money used to KITE the STOCK PRICES.

    Hypothetically, BIG OIL (Bush-Rockefeller-Cheney-Military)
    could own 60 % of all the MAJOR STOCKS and push stocks down
    by selling from Broke A to buying lower by Broker B.

    They get Tax Benefit from long term Capital gains or losses.
    They still hold a majority of SHARES while sitting on PILES of CASH
    from 1998 – 2011 rise in GASOLINE / OIL / GAS prices.

    When the DJIA hits 6700.
    They JUMP back into the MARKET due to Technical support.

    The Country Clubbers, know about” TECHNICAL SUPPORT.”
    The BIG MONEY jumps back IN, driving DJIZ to 8.000.
    They go ALL IN.
    Then they pull the plug AGAIN, wiping out the RICH & PENSIONS.

    POKER is the US national game, not chess.
    POKER is a form OF mono poly, the TRUE NATURE & LOGIC
    of CAPITALISM.

  52. 52 jezebel282

    George,

    Sigh…so much for the rational part of the discussion.

  53. 53 1george1

    JEZE – Some people have questioned your ration-ality? 8)

    Actually, I know who many of your readers are.
    – I like playing head games with certain ones.
    – There are others who I would like to defend & protect,
    by educating them about possibilities “they & you” would
    NEVER consider.
    I have NO personal gain by being, saying, or writing outrageous
    things. Yet, when those things come true …. no one can claim
    I didn’t warn them.

    Consider my Letter to the Editor in the Star yesterday.
    – I tore up the integrity of the CT political justice system & parties.
    – I also warned about the BIG FISH, eatting the smaller BIG FISH who
    are consolidating Wealth, which makes it easier for the Tech-no-logic
    to be able to STEAL.

    It was great to be able to use inflated vales of homes to pay for
    repairs and the good life. That was the upside of LIQUIDITY.

    The down side of LIQUIDITY is that it is easier to STEAL.
    The down side of inflated home values, is crashing the Market to
    force a majority to be underwater withValue to Mortgage ….
    Liability to Asset..

    There is a nature and logic to capitalism.
    Unfortunately there is a nature and logic to theft & war.

  54. 54 jezebel282

    George,

    “Actually, I know who many of your readers are.”
    Amazing. I have no clue who they are.

    “I like playing head games with certain ones.”
    The cost is losing readers.

    “Yet, when those things come true …. no one can claim
    I didn’t warn them.”
    A broken clock is correct twice a day.

  55. 55 1george1

    George,

    “Actually, I know who many of your readers are.”
    Amazing. I have no clue who they are.
    ADMITTING CLUELESSNESS?

    “I like playing head games with certain ones.”
    The cost is losing readers.
    NO LOSS.
    PORTIA & CHRIS were by far the MOST INTELLIGENT READERS
    WHO BLOGGED.
    THE FORMER IS A CHURLISH SUPERCILIOUS PRIG.
    THE OTHER WAS SIMPLE TO BAIT & OVER REACT!

    “Yet, when those things come true …. no one can claim
    I didn’t warn them.”
    A broken clock is correct twice a day.
    AN OLDIE BUT GOODIE.
    IREMEMBER TYPING THAT LINE THIS WEEK.
    I ALSO TYPED THE SHAKESPEARE SUNDIAL IS RIGHT
    TWICE A YEAR

  56. 56 1george1

    To compliment superior intelligence of portia & chris
    is not meant to demean anyone else.
    Every blogger brings different intelligence, skills, talents,
    abilities, and interest to the table.

    I insulted Portia, only in a way Portia can appreciates,
    since I know Portia’s ID, and we enjoy jousting.

    Chris is a great young man.
    Both Portia & I found it easy to get him to over react.
    Instead of pounding the facts, he would over react.
    The SHAME is that TOWARDS his LAST POSTS, he was WINNING
    POINTS by ignoring the BAITING and COUNTERING PORTIA’S postions
    and then FLANKING PORTIA with COUNTER POSITIONS and different
    perspectives.

    Chris was a real asset to Stratford & the Theater.
    I wish Chris well.

    Jim Miron never provided his plan for Shakespeare and kept the
    focus on the Hanney deal being horrible, which Chris, myself, &
    anyone who read it would agree.
    It was a disservice to claim Chris was a mironista.

  57. 57 jezebel282

    George,

    “ADMITTING CLUELESSNESS?”

    Yes. Purposely. I have no desire whatsoever to discover anyone’s identity. Nor will I help anyone to discover identities. Period.

    “The cost is losing readers.
    NO LOSS.”

    You could not be more wrong. Aside from the usual incompetence displayed by the Town that is described here, what is vital to a free government is the ability and the means to express an opinion in public. With the heavy editing done by local publications, this site is possibly the only medium in which anyone can read or express an opinion. And make no mistake, this site is carefully read by a lot of people.

    So what? With a few notable exceptions (Yes, I’m looking at you, George.), before someone commits their opinion to a keyboard they think through what they say. That helps others understand what it is they are trying to say. Their opinions are either validated or invalidated by the responses. We call that an “argument”. It is only through such debate that one can arrive at a reasonable course of action.

    And thus we get to the point of this blog. This writer believes in the necessity of government. More importantly, what is required is competent, ethical and open government. The citizens of Stratford pay dearly for that. So far we have been unable to attain it.

  58. 58 1george1

    Agree with some. Disagree with some.

    There are very few cogent arguments articulated here.

    The local audience of this blog are mostly responsible
    for at least some of the problems in town.
    Certain ones more than others, which we mostly agree.

    There are also non local readers, who do not register
    on the counter.

    ” before someone commits their opinion to a keyboard
    they think through what they say.”
    LIP READING?
    MY AUDIO IS NOT REGISTERING WHAT THEY SAY?
    – I am glad you thought through what you wrote… 😉

  59. 59 1george1

    You could not be more wrong. Aside from the usual incompetence displayed by the Town that is described here, what is vital to a free government is the ability and the means to express an opinion in public.

    AGREED w ABOVE.

    With the heavy editing done by local publications,

    POST, PATCH, CHANNEL 8 & 12.

    this site is possibly the only medium in which anyone can read or
    express an opinion.

    NO ONE WAS CHASED from the BLOG?
    NO ONE had RELEVANCE REDACTION?

    And make no mistake, this site is carefully read by a lot of people.

    CERTAIN of them are GHOULS, VAMPIRES, CRIMINALS, &
    TRAITORS.
    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/the-dark-side-ii/#comment-17190

  60. 60 jezebel282

    George,

    “NO ONE WAS CHASED from the BLOG?”

    Nope. Not ever. Even when Miron would post under his many usernames. When he lately posts under his own username on Patch he is quickly slapped down with reality. Almost always a post by anyone here will generate some sort of response. If it is indefensible, well, it becomes obvious quickly doesn’t it?

    “NO ONE had RELEVANCE REDACTION?”

    Nope. Not even you. The most I will do is move it somewhere else in its entirety. I even post a link to the content.

    “CERTAIN of them are GHOULS, VAMPIRES, CRIMINALS, &
    TRAITORS.”
    You can’t pick your audience. The price of admission here is kinda low, you know.

    “There are also non local readers, who do not register
    on the counter.”
    That is simply not true. In point of fact, everyone is counted except me. WordPress does not count administrators of a site.

    “There are very few cogent arguments articulated here.”
    Just that whole free speech and government thing….

  61. 61 1george1

    “NO ONE had RELEVANCE REDACTION?”

    Nope. Not even you. The most I will do is move it somewhere
    else in its entirety. I even post a link to the content.

    That is a change from the first year or so, where i was consistently
    edited and removed for relevance.
    – I give you props that you evolved and improved

    ====

    “There are also non local readers, who do not register
    on the counter.”
    That is simply not true. In point of fact, everyone is counted
    except me. WordPress does not count administrators of a site.

    Every Data or Voice feed hits telephone company relays and
    100% hit satellites or are carried on cable lines.

    NSC has monitored increasing numbers of Satellite communication,
    as born out by 1987 Oliver North iran contra testimony.

    The Patriot Act allowed the government to set mirror image rooms
    to the ATT Trans Atlantic & Trans Pacific Cable line.

    Domestic pipelines were bought for Domestic Cable & Level 3
    Communications controls over 60 % of Domestic Cable Traffic.
    – Level 3 is/was owned by Warren Buffet’s best friend from
    Childhood
    – Level 3 HQ is/was domociled in Berkeshire Hathaway HQ building.

    Hypothetical
    If you were a multi billionaire.
    If your best friend controlled 60 % of Domestic Cable voice/data
    transmissions and it is necessary for redundancy, backups, &
    assorted monitoring
    If your newest best friend was a multi billionare who had tons of
    programmers who could make sense of domestic voice / data
    (Micro soft)
    It there was NON EXISTANT Government oversight in Bush-Clinton
    -Bush years on INSIDER TRADING

    Would a reasonable person believe there was at least a possiblity
    that SNOOPS and INSIDER TRADERS would be able to monitor
    anything, including a BLOG, without it leaving a TRACE?

    Microsoft is notorious for program holes and patches.

    Is it impossible WordPress visitor counter does not have holes.

    Any self respecting I T person would conceed the reasonable
    possibility that a counter was not necessarily perfect.

    I can conceed many reasonable people would oubt same.

    Food for thought

  62. 62 jezebel282

    George,

    “NSC has monitored increasing numbers of Satellite communication,
    as born out by 1987 Oliver North iran contra testimony.”

    I called my handlers at Ft. Meade Maryland. They say they only track your posts.

  63. 63 jezebel282

    From George:

    Sorry Jeze – don’t know right spot for Just Wondering?

    How many of Miron & Harkins paid & unpaid appointees are
    also Lawyers?
    – Cornish
    – Winterbottom
    – Geen T

    If Health Care total cost was $ 6,000, with BoE & Town paying
    40 % deductable, how many MILS could be lowered?
    I am guessing about 5 to 7 Mils.

    If DEFINED BENEFIT was 100 % FUNDED by RETURNS on
    INVESTMENTS, what would you do with 4.6 Mil lower Tax rate?
    .
    How much are Anthony Schirillo & Tom Moore paid related to
    Town / Home Land Security?
    .
    Who is capitalizing on Fire Truck sales & family related to whom?
    – Any quid pro quo to Town & Committees?
    .
    Do Police have motive NOT to INVESTIGATE certain things?
    .
    Do Lawyers have motive to create Law suits and work with
    other Lawyers to build billings?
    .
    Wouldn’t it be nice if money was not needed for our basics and
    desires. I am a Capitalist and believe if properly done is the
    ultimate for of small “S” -“socialism.”
    > We don’t grow our food or sew our clothes, or build our cars
    or homes.


    Interesting GOOGLE = Wikipedia
    1 – Invisible Gorilla (explains hiding in plain sight)
    2 – Marxist Schumpeter > “creative distruction” (end all wealth)
    Chaos from Order (reverse Masonry – Order from Chaos)
    3 – Standard Oil Trust + David Rockefeller
    4 – Ralph Nader = did more for you than anyone, except DR. MLK Jr.
    who helped cause broad base income increase along w Nixon
    5 – Norman Borlaug – Saved BILLIONS of lives = disprove Malthus
    6 – Adam Smith / Rousseau / More / Locke /\ Keynes Milt Friedman
    7 – Federalist Papers paperback = itialicized > # 4, # 10, # 79 # 22>24

    By reading these people & things, it helps other relate to Portia, Chris,
    Jeze, & I on Macro economics

  64. 64 cstratct

    Hi George,

    Thanks for the kind words above. Yes I chose to make myself scare because 1) I was especially busy the past several months with work and family and 2) I no longer found the obnoxious and toxic nature of the dialogue coming from some posters either compelling or constructive. You may have perceived my responses as overreactions, I viewed them as merely fighting fire with fire. I have chosen to engage in more positive and useful interactions, instead of wasting time exposing the hatred and vitriol put forth by anonymous cowards who take pleasure in casting aspersions without justification. Suffice it to say the more things change, the more they stay the same, which is clear from the tone exhibited by some on this blog since I walked away. I have no doubt these cowards will continue to hurl destructive and demeaning comments while cowering in shadows. I would rather engage openly and honestly with people who have the true courage of their convictions and take accountability for their words.

    Best of luck George.

  65. 65 jezebel282

    “anonymous cowards who take pleasure in casting aspersions without justification.”

    And sometimes with plenty of justification.

  66. 66 cstratct

    No Jezebel, there is no justification for hiding in the shadows while maligning someone’s character. If an individual feels compelled to disparage someone, then he/she should have the courage to do so without subterfuge. Anything less is cowardice, plain and simple.

  67. 67 1george1

    Hi Chris,
    There have been many times I felt the same way as you,
    related to many of the posters on this blog.

    While I almost always had respect for my character and
    intent from Jeze, we agree to disagree on relevancy.
    – Jeze has also shown me kindness both on blog and by
    email. Conversely, I have empathy for Jeze & family.
    We also agree on many macro issues.
    .
    I agree with some of Portia’s less radical ideology and
    respect for many, not all of Milton Friedman economics.
    Portia – has been far less critical of me, than Portia was
    to YOU, JEZE, and a few others!
    – Because I understand the need for BLOG vs ACTUAL
    PERSONA – I cut PORTIA much SLACK in another Venue!
    .
    Chris the FEAR of REPRISAL to workers & family; politically
    involved & family; and potential impeders of political agenda
    of HUGE FINANCIAL STAKES, is VERY, VERY, REAL!!
    .
    From YOUR perspective, it can justly be viewed as COWARDICE.
    From MY & THEIR perspectives it can be PRUDENT REALITY!
    .
    Since January 1998, the ONLY REASON I started going to
    Town Council Meetings was to get investigations into DEATHS.
    These DEATH appeared as NATURAL, but I believe very DISCRETE MURDER including:

    1 – Before April 1988 involving USPS related to POLITICAL/MILITARY.

    2 – 16 DEATHS in 18 MONTHS 1992-1994 after 1991 FOI to CIA was
    replied after months: “We have researched all information where it
    would be reasonably expected to be found. None was forthcoming.”

    Translation:
    We are NOT releasing your FOI request about your Father
    (WW II combat VET & USPO worker-APWU Union Steward)
    and your FOI request about yourself
    (USNR Sea Cadet & USPS 16+ year work-NALC Union Steward)

    3 – My Paternal Uncle / Godfather / Best Friend 9/23/1997
    after appealing for investigations into the above 4/1995 to:
    A) Bridgeport FBI & US Attorney Christopher Droney (Fed Judge-now)
    B) Stratford Police Chief Robert Mossman (Dead-likely murder=cancer)
    C) Fairfield Police Sargeant, (Rank officer-now)

    4 – Subsequent to appeals to Delauro, Rowland-Kinnelly 1998 leading
    to pretextual arrest Dec 1998 – by Mossman – Trial was rigged & I
    tried to go PRO SE.

    JEZE likely to move this point to below:

    MOTIVE for MURDER?
    Covering up MURDERS, MACRO THEFT & TREASON!
    Who profited from STOCK, REAL ESTATE, WEALTH CRASH,
    OIL / GAS / COAL pricing, Drug & Weapons Traffic?

    Covering up MURDERS, MACRO THEFT, & TREASON!
    MOTIVE to BRIBE Stratford Town Committees, Attorneys, Police,
    Fire, Board of Ed, Elected, & assorted ALLIES.
    Covering up MURDERS & TREASON, creating discrediting criminal situations entrapping the above, by contracts, awards, change orders,
    fees, promotions, O. T., PAY, Pensions, Benefits, jobs: post retire .

    Covering up MURDERS, MACRO THEFT, & TREASON!
    MOTIVE to BRIBE selected STATE POLICE, STATE PROSECUTORS,
    PUBLIC DEFENDERS, STATE JUDGES, ELECTED, APPOINTED &
    OTHERS by promotions, transfers, liaison pay, PAY, OT, Benefits, Pensions, & MORE

    Covering up MURDERS, MACRO THEFT, & TREASON!
    MOTIVE to BRIBE selected FBI, US Attorneys, FAA, EPA, DOT,
    ELECTED, APPOINTED, & FEDERAL JUDGES by promotions,
    transfers, liaison pay, PAY, OT, Benefits, Pensions, & MORE.

    “I am hunting” those who place CIA & DOD into SIKORSKY & AVCO.
    They also pick Presidents, V.P.s, Senate, Congress, Governors,
    – Federal – State – Local political, government, corporate, private
    personnel (including mafia & gangs) to be used as surrogates.
    > GOOGLE: J K Galbraith called them th “PLANNING SYSTEM.”
    > GOOGLE: The INTELLIGENCE CYCLE – “Planning & operations”
    > WW II Military co-ordinated 5,000 largest US companies which
    became FEEDER companies to use subcontractors, setting up the
    Political – Military – Industrial – Financial – Scientific – Technologic
    Elites and COMPLEX – MATRIX.
    > Historically all government’s leaders have gained power by murder
    and war or succession, maintaining power by alliances stteped in
    BLOOD.
    —-
    GOOGLE: George D. Mulligan, D.O.D. liaison to White House
    Operations under “W Bush” & after intermediary under “Obama.”
    – Position includes relationship to SIKORSKY maker of
    AIR FORCE 1 Fleet (Presidential Helicopter P.O.T. – U. S.)
    AIR FORCE 2 Fleet (Vice Presidential Helicopter)

    1987 I MATHEMATICALLY proved it was POSSIBLE to TAKE
    OVER the WORLD’S WEALTH using OIL / GAS / COAL to
    Transfer Wealth from the masses.
    – > I gave to 12 SENATE & couple Congress offices proving
    World Export average daily Oil Barrel price from Sept 11, 1960
    creation of O.P.E.C. to SEPT 1987 appeals for help from USPS
    harrassment with affadavits & massive documents.
    – > My objective was to protect the USA from usurpation from
    Marxist Russia and the INSANE Royals/Rank of EUROPE &
    the LEVANT.
    – > It took years to overcome denial to realize U S INTELLIGENCE
    & MILITARY, likely run by NORMAN – ANGLO ROYAL RULERS
    used OPERATION OVERLORD to CONQUOR the WORLD.
    > It is possible those are run by certain other groups?
    > WW II ended COLONIES
    > WW II ended IMPERIAL EMPIRES & KINGDOMS
    > WW II started abuses by INDIGINEOUS Dictators and nominally
    PEOPLES’ REPUBLICS, predominently:
    * UNITED STATES * UNION SOVIET REPUBLICS * CHINA
    * BRITISH EMPIRED devolved to COMMON WEALTH
    * FRENCH INDOCHINA, ALGERIA, HAITI & others.
    >> WARS ceased among WESTERN & EASTERN EUROPE
    Exceptions:
    Czeck 1950s
    Poland after G. Ford 1976 Debate Gaff – soviets not dominate
    POLISH POPE & LECH WALESa – “save the Wales”
    YUGOSLAVIA – Bosnia – Serbia – Hertn = Tripatite ethnic/religious
    > ALLIES protect the Moslem & other minorities
    > WW III – not start there – like WW I started
    > The above are all Geopolitical counter points

    > AFTER WW II our enemies were made into World Powers
    Germany # 2 + Japan # 3
    > AFTER NIXON opened CHINA, with BUSH Ambassador &
    Rockefeller/Walmart supplying OIL + Distrubution = # 2
    > AFTER 1987 IRAN CONTRA – my Sept appeals – OCT STOCK
    MARKET CRASH – Gorbachev Dec quit COLD WAR signing
    Non-Proliferation Treaty, AFTER OIL / GAS PRICE collapse &
    on 200th anniversary of US CONSTITUTION 1st state ratfied
    RUSSIA is # 7 World Economy due to pricing
    * OIL * NATURAL GAS * WEAPONS

    It is as if the WORLD POWERS were playing the GAMES of RISK,
    STRATEGO, CHESS, POKER, & MONOPOLY = using live people,
    as less than cattle & chattle or SLAVES.

    HUMANS: FARMED, GATHERED, FISHED, & HUNTED like a form
    of the FOOD CHAIN.

  68. 68 cstratct

    George,

    Fear of reprisal for criticizing an individual’s policies or actions is one thing, although even those circumstances are very limited. Vile, vindictive personal assaults (verbal or otherwise) are something else. If an individual chooses to make it personal, he/she should be man/woman enough to confront the other person face-to-face. I have lost all patience for the latter, and a very narrow definition of the former. I wish you and my friends in Stratford the best. I do continue to keep tabs on the theatre as it remains an important part of the American theatre field and our national cultural heritage. Where politics are concerned, I’m engaged locally and will continue to express my beliefs in forums where honest debate and discussion is encouraged. Best to you George.

  69. 69 1george1

    Chris,
    I wish you well.
    Geo

  70. 70 portia1776

    “The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It’s dismissive–“I don’t understand this person, SO THEY’RE CRAZY”–That’s Bull(bleep).”
    Dave Chappelle


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