Not To Be

25May12

We are frankly stunned by the spate of poor decision making by the Harkins Administration and the Republican Council. From raising taxes (OK, fine. Sewer use fees.) to selling off Town assets to denying minority members of the Council participation in budget discussions to denying pension benefits to widows to reneging signed contracts to hiding deficits and to locking out volunteers there seems to be no end to the bad decision making lately.

We will leave it for readers to debate the value of the Shakespeare Theater below. What is striking is the purposeful and, yes, insulting way Mayor Harkins put an abrupt end to the efforts of dedicated volunteers. What we wonder is what’s next on Harkins agenda?

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277 Responses to “Not To Be”

  1. I went to the rally on Thursday. CT Post reported 50 people attended. Stratford Star reported 100. I tend to believe the attendance was closer to 100.

    I watched the WTNH-8 news at 11 last night and the rally was the first story. They interviewed Harkins and what struck me most about his response was his referral to the use of tax payer money to make the repairs and that the process is in the 3rd phase of 5 phases. He has no motivation to move this forward. The longer he takes, the higher the chance of the house will have be torn down.

    As I was leaving, I walked around the Theater. Someone needs to get inside and close or cover up the large open window on the top section to stop the birds and weather from getting in and doing more damage.

    Harkins 2013 – Not To Be!

  2. 2 1george1

    The CT. POST & NEWS # 8 are known by some to be part of the
    CORPORATE MEDIA INFRASTRUCTURE supporting the SELECTED.

    I so advised / warned certain RALLY LEADERS in ADVANCE.

    I’ve contended there are FEDERAL & STATE plans for all of Stratford’s
    COAST and many other parts, to fit with chosen ECONOMY to SCALE
    DEVELOPERS, who have access to CORPORATE MEDIA.

    QUE SERA, SERA

  3. 3 1george1

    I questioned RALLY LEADERS in ADVANCE of the WISDOM of a
    RALLY on THURSDAY at 5:00 pm?

    5:00 pm on a worknight, many working people could not attend,
    as only government workers and some bankers cease work at
    3:30 or 4:00 pm.

    Many are tied up in traffic.
    Many don’t get out of work until 5:00 pm.

    If there were time to organize, then maybe some school students
    could attend? Especially those deprived of May 17 prof performance.
    However many of those students don’t drive.

    With Memorial Day long weekend so near, or any weekend, would
    a daytime RALLY be more logical?

    However, it was NEWS # 8 which sought the time, which the RALLY
    ORGANIZERS predictably jumped at having.

    It was news # 8 who was able to have a HARKINS prepared counter
    point for airing against a predictably small rally.

    It was the RTC normally scheduled NIGHT for their MONTHLY RTC
    Country Club Meeting.

    The RTC uses same MODUS OPERENDI and to people who can pay
    attention can be somewhat predictable related to MONEY, MOTIVE,
    and ACTS.

    They intend to use the same RATIONALIZATION-JUSTIFICATION
    related to the SEWER FEE INCREASE as they did for JUDITH TERRACE.
    > Blame prior Town Councils for trying to save Taxes!
    > Meanwhile by JULY, PENSION OBLIGATION$ will reach nearly $ 20
    MILLION ANNUALLY to under 640 people, with Mr. Murray pending
    and 6 to 8 Firemen retiring at/near/over 6 figures.

    It’s time to raise the SHAKE SPEARE curtain.
    The mIRON CURTAIN was closed.
    Time to curtail the PARTIES’ BAD ACTORS.

    MONEY has been BONDED for the WHITE HOUSE.
    BONDED MONEY can only be used for BONDED purposes.

    MONEY has been BONDED for 5 PHASES of SHAKESPEARE.
    BONDED MONEY can only be used for BONDED purposes.
    – Next phase is FUND RAISING for NO TAX MONEY
    – Next phase is for Community ENGAGEMENT.
    – Harkins’ “ACTS” have created Community ENRAGEMENT

    The Letters to the Editor & Star & posts on this BLOG are from
    BETRAYED SUPPORTERS of the RTC / HARKINS
    – Save Stratford
    – Historic District
    – Shakespeare Supporters
    – Veteran
    – Volunteer related to Driving for Seniors
    – FIRE Dept
    – POLICE

    Both RTC & DTC have sooo much baggage, that when they start
    their counter campaigns using POST / NEW # 8 & others ……
    EVERY LIE will be EXPOSED
    EVERY NEW INITIATIVE will be shown how it was intentionally
    delayed so federal, state, and locals could retire to beable to
    “WET THEIR BEAK” … (Godfather)

    I respect the old mafia more than FBI/JUSTICE – BAR ASS.

  4. 4 1george1

    Created by W. E. ART SNAKESPEARE
    Stratford political follies and burlesque baffoons present:

    “Hamlet, Prince of Raymark”

    “Taming of the Shrewd”

    “Merchants of Notnice”
    Slylock
    “reTHUG-LYan” Cabals

    “As I like it,”

    “I Ago”

    “Measure for ME? SURE!”

    “The tempters of the TemPest”

    “C-oreo L. Anus”

    O.T. Hello

    “All’s Well… Oh hell?”

    “Cy (sigh) Beeline (be lyin)”

    “The Tragi-Comedy of Errors … aka … Charter Revision III”

    Labor’s loves lost … aka … Managers, Lawyers, & TC steal pensions”

    “Merry lies win sore”

    “Midsummer nights schemers against dreamers.”

    “Prince of (re)Tired, “PE” dick uselies”

    “Nothin much (good) we do.”

    “Twelfth Night or MU NICH?” (no “T”)

    “Winner’s Tail … Mayoral assistant.”

    “Two Gentle men on Veranda”

    “T R Oil U.S. and Cry SS ID.”

  5. 7 stfdprofessor1

    For the love of God George do you have to kill EVERY thread with nonsense??

  6. 8 jezebel282

    But back to the topic….

    As we saw on on May 24th, there is a group of extremely dedicated citizens willing to spend time and money (ok, mostly time) in order to restore/preserve the Shakespeare Theater and the “White House” on its grounds. Although the map to completion is pretty blurry to most of us, it is certainly a worthwhile effort that they take very seriously.

    In my opinion it is described by the following story:
    Old Jewish mother is coming up the stairs to give her sick husband a bowl of chicken soup and runs into her son coming down the steps. Son says to mother, “Ma he doesn’t need chicken soup anymore- Dad just passed away”. Undeterred, she tries to get by him, and once again he blocks her and says “Dad’s gone, don’t bother”. Not to be stopped, she tries again to come up the stairs.. Now the son is getting angry and yells “Ma! He’s dead! Chicken soup won’t help!” She says to son, “Well, it couldn’t hurt”…

    Did anyone think the son would lock the mother out of the dad’s bedroom? No, of course not. But that is exactly what Mayor Harkins did. The question for the rest of is “What the hell is going on here?”

  7. 9 1george1

    CUTE – HOW IS THIS ON TOPIC? Where is SHAKESPEARE?

    Old Jewish mother is coming up the stairs to give her sick husband a bowl of chicken soup and runs into her son coming down the steps. Son says to mother, “Ma he doesn’t need chicken soup anymore- Dad just passed away”. Undeterred, she tries to get by him, and once again he blocks her and says “Dad’s gone, don’t bother”. Not to be stopped, she tries again to come up the stairs.. Now the son is getting angry and yells “Ma! He’s dead! Chicken soup won’t help!” She says to son, “Well, it couldn’t hurt”…

  8. Jez, we know what is going on ~ bullying and strong arming by member of the RTC and administration.

    While I was a strong and vocal opponent of Jim Miron, I do credit him for seeing the potential. I recall his words than Stratford will have Shakespeare again even if he had to don tights and recite it from the Town Hall steps. Marc dillon seems to be calling the shots – we rarely hear the voice of John Harkins as everything is fielded thru Dillon, et. al.

    People are only given enough information by the powers for them to think or be swayed in their direction. Nothing, absofrigginlutely nothing has happened in this Town, except for money being made by people to sit on their fat arses at Mill River and elsewhere making their own deals that will benefit them, not us. Matt Catalano has chutzpah! He’s proven himself to be a self-thinker who won’t be bulldozed. He and Ed Goodrich are out there talking to people. Heck they has a company set to come on May 17 foe the first student production in 30 years. Must’ve really scared the crap out of people like Lou DeCilio who was overheard saying the property would be blown up before the theater ever opens! Same guy involved in the McMahon snafu! Hmmm, really makes me wonder. Im sure he’s got a few 3rd district loyalists. A couple nAmes come to mind.

    I urge citizens to start taking the power out of their sails. Why be affiliated with either party? They don’t work for the people, it’s just a club of cronyistic and nepotistic individuals on both sides. Look and the names. Married couples, cousins, bff’s, siblings. They’ve all been in bed together for far too long, with the exception of a few independent thinkers.

    Time for the independent thinkers. Time to try something different be ause the same old is only lining the pockets of the same old. We need to at least give Matt, Ed and all the others the opportunity . It was so close, let’s get back there and see where the ride goes, it could be well worth the trip.

  9. 11 1george1

    For the love of God
    > thou shalt not use the name of G-D in vain

    George do you have to kill EVERY thread with nonsense??
    > SHAKESPEARE was known to use non-sense. Wikpedia:

    Nonsense is a communication, via speech, writing, or any
    other symbolic system, that lacks any coherent meaning.
    Sometimes in ordinary usage, nonsense is synonymous
    with absurdity or the ridiculous.

    Many poets, novelists and songwriters have used nonsense
    in their works, often creating entire works using it for reasons
    ranging from pure comic amusement or satire, to
    illustrating a point about language or reasoning.

    Blogspot:
    The most famous use of nonsense words in the English language
    is from Shakespeare’s “Much Ado About Nothing”

    Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more;
    Men were deceivers ever;
    One foot in sea and one on shore,
    To one thing constant never;
    Then sigh not so,
    But let them go,
    And be you blithe and bonny;
    Converting all your sounds of woe
    Into. Hey nonny, nonny.

    The words “nonny nonny” have no meaning, but are probably
    meant to remind the listener of the word nonsense.

    Another nonsense example comes from Lewis Carroll in his
    poem “The Walrus and the Carpenter.”

    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes–and ships–and sealing-wax–
    Of cabbages–and kings–
    And why the sea is boiling hot–
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    .
    .
    Shakespeare Quotes (NON SEQUITOR)
    – Something Is Rotten in the State of Denmark. …
    In this confused exchange, Marcellus’s famous
    non sequitur sustains the foreboding

    Horatio:
    He waxes desperate with imagination.

    Marcellus:
    Let’s follow. ‘Tis not fit thus to obey him.

    Horatio:
    Have after. To what issue will this come?

    Marcellus:
    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Horatio:
    Heaven will direct it.

    Marcellus:
    Nay, let’s follow him

  10. 12 1george1

    Text Comprehension
    The process of understanding what is written in a text.

    Whenever we read, we both consciously and subconsciously
    engage in a complex process of making sense of the symbols
    on the page, forming letters into words, words into sentences,
    and sentences into ideas.

    Text comprehension is the synthesis of those formations.
    .
    It is very common for readers to be able to accurately and
    smoothly pronounce the words they read and still have
    difficulty understanding the content.

  11. 13 1george1

    SHAKESPEAREAN ENGLISH, like my posts, may be difficult
    for some to comprehend and translate.

    Especially if they don’t have code pad keys or points of
    reference within their experience:

    trans·la·tion/transˈlāSHən/Noun:
    1.The process of translating words or text from one language into another: “Constantine’s translation of Arabic texts into Latin”.
    .
    2. Written or spoken rendering of the meaning of words, speech,
    books, icons, symbols, numbers or other text, in another language.
    .
    .
    codepad is a compiler/interpreter, and simple collaboration tool.
    .
    .
    In cryptography, the one-time pad (OTP) is a type of encryption
    which has been proven to be impossible to crack if used correctly.
    Each bit or character from the plaintext is encrypted by a modular
    addition with a bit or character from a secret random key (or pad)
    of the same length as the plaintext, resulting in a ciphertext.

    If the key is truly random, as large as or greater than the plaintext,
    never reused in whole or part, and kept secret, the ciphertext
    will be impossible to decrypt or break without knowing the key.

    It has also been proven that any cipher with the perfect secrecy
    property must use keys with effectively the same requirements
    as OTP keys.

    The SHAKESPEARE CODE:
    The true story revealed through encrypted messages within
    the whole works of Shakespeare far exceeds the drama, comedy,
    tragedy, intrigue, betrayal, false identity and heroism of the
    actual plays!

    A real cipher wheel exists today and the author has painstakingly
    decoded the works of Shakespeare and compared them to known
    historic events to create a poignant and tragic tale that ends on
    a note of triumphant.
    Illustrations and code wheels included so the reader can do it
    themselves.

    Paperback: 352 pages
    Publisher: Summit University Press; 1st Snow Mountain Press Ed., Rev. and Expanded edition (April 15, 2006)
    Language: English
    ISBN-10: 1932890025
    ISBN-13: 978-1932890020

    Not available at the Library, but at AMAZON

  12. 14 stfdprofessor1

    For the LOVE OF GOD (not intended vainly), I give up, it’s like rationalizing with a gigantic spoiled three year old baby!

    Jez, I’m sure I’m not the only frustrated reader on here, could this is be a prime example on why postings are down? How about a 30 day suspension for Georgie for his continual nonsense, in a show of support you can suspend me as well; so we can see if my theory is correct and some intelligent dialog then develops.

  13. 15 1george1

    H ITLER burned books. Glad to frustrate the close minded.
    A re you a member of the RTC? 😉
    T here are likely hundreds who would like to silence me.
    E veryone entitled to own theories on intelligence & relevance.
    R eading is different than understanding comprehension.

    😉

  14. 16 blodgettave

    Patricia, let’s sign you up as part of the active and independent thinking crowd. One thing this town needs is more who are willing to put their money where there mouth is.

    1George1 comments aren’t a reason to stay away OR to become overly fixated on.

    Matt Catalano for Mayor. He cares about and acts on the right issues in Stratford.

  15. 17 blodgettave

    Sorry, should be “their” instead of “there”….

  16. Blodgettave ~ I do consider myself part of the active and independent thinking crowd. The problem is, the good ole’ boys have more money and power, it’s difficult for the rest of us to get there. Everything is money driven.

    As an example, I tried to find a local attorney for my parents who were being severely harassed, badgered and tormented by a neighbor. It got to a point where it was affecting their physical and mental wellbeing. Having worked for lawyers for over 30 years, I’m sure there is a cause of action for a lawsuit agaisnt this neighbor; however, one local lawyer basically said there’s not enough in it for them. Doesn’t matter what’s right or wrong, it’s always about the money. Oh, and one lawyer member of the RTC never had the decency to even get back to me.

  17. 19 1cyclops

    Why didn’t you retain the law firm you work for?

  18. @ 1cyclops ~ because I prefer to keep my personal business out of my place of employment……

  19. 22 mikereynolds

    I have been pro-Harkins ever since he announced he was running for Mayor. I’ve known him for awhile and even worked on his campaign.

    As much as it pains me to say this he has left me disappointed. I expected so much more and we are left with continued disarray. From a PR perspective Stratford is better off without Miron and his one after another media disasters. But with John Harkins the pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. You never hear from him. There doesn’t seem to be any interaction between the mayor and citizens. He needs to be out in front of the issues. Take them head on. He needs to be the face of the good and the bad.

    Between the RTC and the DTC they make up one huge “gang that can’t shoot straight.” This town is doomed.

  20. 23 jezebel282

    Mike,

    I have to agree. We had Miron who was an arrogant, vindictive embarrassment to the Town. But now we have Harkins who is almost single-handedly raising the cost of living in Stratford as fast as possible and trying to sell off what few assets we have.

    No one can reasonably expect any quality candidate to come from the RTC nor the DTC.

    And time is growing short. In a mere 17 months we will being electing a new mayor and council. It seems the solution to our dysfunctional municipal government is either Charter Revision with real checks & balances or the formation of a third independent party. I think the latter is more likely.

    It is time for a coalition of the honest. The existing closed clubs are doing the citizens of Stratford no good at all. Since neither the RTC or DTC have any sort of relationship with actual Republican or Democratic ideals this new party should have no trouble at all recruiting real ones.

  21. From a letter written by Harkins that appeared in the Stratford Star.

    “I strongly suggest anyone wishing to see the theater operational again get behind the efforts to form a non-profit entity and start raising funds.”

    http://www.stratfordstar.com/opinion/columns/local-political/73340-stratfords-future-will-not-be-stratfords-past.html

  22. 25 jezebel282

    Jim,

    “form a non-profit entity and start raising funds.”

    I guess Matt Catalano never thought of this. Wow, he must be really dumb, huh?

  23. Just confused after reading this other letter in the Star…

    http://stratfordstar.com/opinion/editorial-page/letters-to-the-editor/73345-pleading-her-case-for-fixing-the-white-house.html

    Are there any bonded funds for the Theater?

  24. 27 jezebel282

    Jim,

    You are not going to like this. You wanna hear it anyway?

  25. Sure…

  26. 29 jezebel282

    Sigh….

    Back when Henrick was Council Chairman the Town bonded $3.1 million for the Theater. Miron used $600K of it for the roof. When Harkins came in there was $2.5 million left. Harkins sent $1 million back. So $1.5 Million has been sitting around lo these many years doing absolutely nothing while you & I have been paying back principle and interest on it.

    It turns out to be awfully expensive money.

  27. 30 jezebel282

    Update:

    Another one bites the dust.

    Stratford Organic Foods Company Moving to Orange

    Aurora Products, a Stratford-based manufacturer of packaged organic foods, is moving to Orange.
    The company’s new facility will be on Edison Road, the former home of the Finley Fine Jewelry industrial building.
    Aurora received zoning approval May 15 for a 9,000-square-foot addition to the existing structure. This will bring the building’s total footprint up to 100,000 square feet.
    http://stratford.patch.com/articles/stratford-organic-foods-company-moving-to-orange?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001

    Who needs manufacturers? We have pizza places and deli’s!

  28. 31 Rockannand

    George, you either have to start staking your meds or I will vote you off the Island along with the Professor. YOU DON”T GET IT WITH SHAKESPEARE!!!

    It is the lightening rod that is angering EVERYONE in this town. Its all about the money … OPM … and if you respond to this post, i will vote you off NOW.

    I will wait ot post again, because all these issues are NOT ABOUT YOU George.

  29. 32 Rockannand

    I am sure everyone read Johnny’s wonderful editorial Thursday in the Star about Shakespeare. I would love to hear what you think (except George) he was trying to do (or what Marc Dillon was trying to do).
    http://stratfordstar.com/opinion/columns/local-political/73340-stratfords-future-will-not-be-stratfords-past.html

    The petition demanding they unblock the doors and spend the bond money to fix the White HOuse has hit 900. We expect it will get to 2000 by the 6/11 Public Forum. If you have not signed and shared REPEATEDLY to your BFFs, then you are simply unAmerican. Worse you are not a true Stratford Patriot – more on that in another post.

    Its time to to stop these tales of FICTION in their tracks and replace with the FACTS. Johnny thinks that the editorial will shut us up – sorry our shouting him down should STOP. Well, watch what happens this week. The best is yet to come.

    The Rock

  30. 33 mikereynolds

    ” If you have not signed and shared REPEATEDLY to your BFFs, then you are simply unAmerican.”

    I take issue with this statement. Who are you to decide who is American and who is un-American? Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make you un-American. On the contrary, being able to voice an opposing argument freely embodies what it means to be American.

    I don’t support the theater so I guess to you I’m un-American. I guess I can toss my military service records and medals since I’m not an American.

  31. 34 Rockannand

    Relax Mike. I guess for your benefit, next time i will put a smiley face on the post so you know its tongue and cheek. You ARE entitled to your opinion, just don’t mix in facts no in evidence as the Mayor has done repeatedly since he locked the doors on 4/10.

    Just for kicks, i would like to hear why YOU are against the theatre. I’ve heard the various views from many over the past year. So here you go, see how open i am to hearing your side. A good healthy debate of the FACTS would be good for everyone.

  32. 35 Rockannand

    Furthemore, I am tired of all the rhetoric and strong arm actions of the Mayor and other members of the RTC. Let me count the ways:
    > 4/9: Catalano and Tom Smith SaveStratford attempt to get the Raymark Remediation proposal on the TC agenda at the council mtg.
    >4/10: Mayor without warning or notification changes the locks on the theatre. Claims “safety issues”. Really? FOIC requests for the “report” with $377K claims of safety violations have still not been responded to.
    >4/11: EPA meeting about Raymark with Town officials is attended by other citizens and issue of the SaveStratford resolution come up and EPA proestes and is overheard saying, “I thought we had a handshake agreement here.” What agreement? With who? Isn’t this suppose to be a totally transparent process? What’s going on here?
    >5/14: Public Forum, only 5 councilman show to hear 12-14 citizens speak about Raymark and another 8-10 talk about Shakespeare.
    >5/14: TC Meeting, Catalano squares off with Mayor about locking the doors. A VIdeo is worth a thousands words, especially when Jim Connor, reads FOR THE RECORD FROM PREPARED statement, that we should consider other options for the property like a Sports Complex or Senior Housing project:
    http://stratford.patch.com/articles/video-amid-cheers-and-jeers-town-officials-debate-shakespeare-theatre#video-9934129
    5/24: FORStratford organizes a public rally for the theatre and White House and launches a petition to demand action by the TC and Mayor.
    Week of 5/26: Louis DeCilio files for FOIC against Ed Goodrich for full inventory of Shakespeare items. What sort of BS request is that. Splain that one to me Lucy

    Misc: Mayor and various TC members talk about taxpayer money somehow being involved in the various proposals for fixing the White House and the Arts Consulting Group recommendations for the 3 phase and $30m restoration of the the theatre. FICTION, classic muddying of the waters before anyone fully understand anything.

    If the Mayor actually believes what he supposedly wrote in his editorial in last week’s Star, then:
    > Why lock the theatre and put all sorts of road blocks in the way of the volunteers who are pursuing the very recommendations that Arts Consulting has put forth in their report.
    > Why was the Shakespeare Festival and their events/schedules for 2012 omitted from Johnny’s Stratford Festival and video?
    > Why are all efforts by volunteers being blocked by strong arm tactics like the Mayor and DeCilio?

    Answer all the questions with something that is factual and I will listen to opposing opinions. Otherwise this sure smells of one big smoke screen for some agenda involving massive development of the west bank of the Housatonic from Rt 1 bridge to Short Beach.

  33. 36 mikereynolds

    Sorry I missed the sarcasm. Those of us who don’t support the arts as much as others need to have things explained to us at a much lower level.

    I think the belief that the resurrection of the theater is the catalyst for economic redevelopment is wrong. The theater is a nice idea and if it can be resurrected without taxpayer money then have at it. If the theater were located in a more centralized and business oriented area, like the Green or near the train station, then I could see a potential link between the theater’s resurrection and economic development. But considering where it is now there is no such link. I don’t believe that the theater alone can generate substantial tax dollars to support its existence. When there was less competition for entertainment money the theater still failed. At a time now where competition for that entertainment money is so high I do not see how the theater can succeed.

    While I am not in favor of putting tax money into the theater that does not mean I am in agreement with Mayor Harkins on how he has recently handled the theater issue. I found it curious how he locked volunteers out when they had been in there for so long. I understand that money has been bonded to pay for the repairs to the “white house” yet no repairs have taken place.

    This all could have been handled much better without putting the pro-theater people on such a large pedestal and causing so much anti-Harkins sentiment.

  34. 37 Rockannand

    Oh yeh, and look what IS NOT part of the Celebrate Stratford season.
    http://www.townofstratford.com/controls/eventview.aspx?MODE=SINGLE&ID=354

    That’s ok, the real Festival will get more traction through the normal grassroots and social media efforts without Johnny. Besides we already know that the Blues Fesitval down at Short Beach is his favorite. You have been down to the beach for that eventm, haven’t you JOhnny?

  35. 38 1george1

    Mike – Thank you for your service. We can still think each other jerks. 🙂

    The ROCK HEAD / ROCK HART knuccle head – vote as you please.
    Post as you please.
    I guess Shakespeare is the only important issue in Stratford? 😦
    Taxes 30-40% too high.
    People forced to move, foreclosed, lack heat.
    Unsustainable PENSIONS to MANAGERS called UNION.
    1500 % increase for TOWN ATTORNEYS
    Wasteful OT
    Likely the “Right to PUBLIC INITIATIVE” for the Public to create
    Sabotaged Charter, intentionally flawed.
    Public Referendums
    AVCO ongoing closed
    POISON GROUNDS
    POISON GROUND WATER
    POISON GAS
    91 year old woman persecuted
    SENIOR CITIZEN needs
    UNFUNDED MANDATES
    Economic Exodus
    BID PROCESS
    CHANGES ORDERS
    Lack of Transparency
    SLUSH in TOWN BUDGET
    SLUSH in BOE
    OVER BONDING
    VEHICULAR / PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS
    SELLING ASSETS
    FLOODING
    STOLEN PROPERTY
    STATE ROADS lack sidewalks = heavy traffic
    EDUCATION misdirection
    PATRONAGE PRIORITIES
    Over priced Benefits
    Unique computations
    CONSTITUTION subornation
    RIGGED ELECTION PROCESS
    Disappearing records
    BILLING MACHINES
    Inhumanity
    SERIES of DEATHS of PEOPLE who knew the KEY PLAYERS,
    except those they never stopped to consider, who see from
    the CONDOR.
    KICK BACKS
    Planning EMINENT DOMAIN.

  36. 39 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “then you are simply unAmerican. ”

    Personally, I would have gone with “un-democratic”.

    But in this case, I must take a rare stand along side Mikereynolds. I simply do not see the Theater generating the type of revenue for Stratford that your supporters do. Perhaps a few restaurants might see an increase in traffic or maybe even a hotel (umm…are there any in Stratford?) might see a few more bookings. But I do not see an increase in the tax base that would justify an investment of taxpayer dollars. Certainly not the type of revenue that a manufacturer (like the two we just lost) would generate from property and capital equipment taxes.

    Bonding counts the same as taxpayer dollars since it is borrowed money with interest that must be paid back by the taxpayer. On the other hand, it makes no sense at all to borrow it and then leave it sit idle while the principal and interest are paid back. That is just crazy.

    Nonetheless, locking out dedicated volunteers who are willing to donate countless hours, talent and money is, on its face, arbitrary and mean-spirited. Particularly the way Harkins did it. As usual in Stratford politics, it is always personal.

    There are enough people who have worked tirelessly on this theater to know what they want to achieve. We certainly don’t need to pay tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of tax dollars on yet another consultant’s report that gets filed away with the other consultants reports.

    What I would truly like to see is a real plan with an ending.

  37. 40 1george1

    Since about 1987 there have been plans for Hotels from Devon
    Bridge to and including the Shakespeare Property and my Street.

    Look to Bridgeport’s East End as the template.
    EPA & DEEP attempt to manipulate pier into L I Sound suggests
    Developers want LORDSHIP COAST LINE, joined by LONG BEACH
    WEST COAST LINE, joining Pleasure Beach, which is the Gate to
    Bridgeport Harbor.

    What is the straightest line from downtown Bridgeport and RR
    Station complex to the AIRPORT?

    Different people:
    Guess who APPRAISED AVCO SAEP?
    Guess who wrote the AVCO SAEP into the Stratford long term
    development plan?
    Guess who represented Stratford on Airport, AVCO, SHAKESPEARE
    RAYMARK and other ongoing cash cows?
    Guess who represented opposing sides and the year all of this all
    started to happen?

    I would like to see a plan with a happy ending for the unconnected
    and expose the players for mischief they caused and costs they are
    responsible for creating.

  38. 41 jezebel282

    George,

    Umm…I was referring to a real plan.

  39. 42 stfdprofessor1

    George, with all the issues you mentioned you forgot the town attorney fees again, how high are they now Jez? I find it amazing that Jez is the only one who sinks her teeth into that issue regularly. That seems to be how Miron and Harkins have skimmed a large quantity of our tax dollars, yet everyone just ignores it.

    BTW George, I didn’t want to ban you, I just wanted you to be in a 30 day forced exile to see if positive dialog developed in the absence of your loquacious nonsense.

  40. 43 stfdprofessor1

    George, I apologize after a second reading I see that you did mention the town attorney fees, I was wrong.

  41. 44 stfdprofessor1

    http://www.townofstratford.com/controls/eventview.aspx?MODE=SINGLE&ID=354

    ROFLMAO, it looks like John Harkins has the potential to be quite the used car salesman after 2013. He certainly has experience, he sold us all on a real lemon in 2009.

  42. 45 jezebel282

    Prof,

    “how high are they now Jez?”

    The proposed budget has $1.5 million and another $250+K that is always buried in the HR budget as “Legal exp/Collective Bargaining”.

    It is pretty much a License to Bill.

  43. 46 cstratct

    I am going to take issue with a few of Mike’s and Jezebel’s comments regarding the potential for economic development and the history of the financial legacy of the theatre. First, the physical location of the facility is not a primary factor in its ability to promote economic development. There is more to economic development than restaurants. Transportation, lodging, ancillary retail sales and other commercial transactions benefit from destination activities. Second, it is not incumbent upon the theatre to be the only attraction. Other activities (beaches, events or attractions in nearby communities, etc.), combined with the revitalization of the theatre, must be included in the equation. No one believes bringing a single restaurant or business to a community can single-handedly lead to economic revitalization, so why should that burden of proof be put upon a single cultural entity?

    As for the never-ending parade of arguments about the theatre not paying for itself in the past, never operating at a profit, failing with less competition or any of the other false claims, let’s try to put at least a few to rest. First, the theatre was operated as a not-for-profit, it was not created to generate a profit in the sense of a commercial entity. For those referring to this point by claiming that it didn’t pay for itself (and failed) in the past, I will respond that a lack of proper management was far more likely the cause of previous failure. As some have pointed out, the funding was not sufficiently diverse as there was one primary benefactor who wrote checks to keep the organization afloat. That is quite simply not a sound management principle. It was incumbent upon management to identify the proper ratios of earned and contributed revenue, and although I have not seen the financials for the previous organization, from all that has been written previously it appears obvious that was not the case. A new organization, based on sound financial management led by individuals with the proper tools and skills, is far more likely to be successful, regardless of location.

    I will again point to the Oregon Shakespeare Festival base in Ashland, OR (population approximately 21,000). From the OSF website, “Each year OSF presents an eight-and-a-half-month season of eleven plays in three theatres plus numerous ancillary activities, and undertakes an extensive theatre education program. Operating on a budget exceeding $26 million, OSF presents more than 780 performances annually with attendance of approximately 400,000.” They present much more than Shakespeare (Animal Crackers – yes, the Marx brothers musical is on the boards this season) and has given back to the city over the years (http://www.ashland.or.us/Agendas.asp?Display=Minutes&AMID=4038), “Paul Nicholson said OSF contributed money to the Ashland Parks Foundation at the conclusion of profitable years to honor the special relationship between the festival and Lithia Park. He reported that 2009 was a profitable year and presented the commission with a $25,000 check for the foundation.” This is but one example of the potential, especially considering the heritage of the Stratford festival and its alumni.

    There is much more to be said and more examples to be cited, but suffice it to say what is needed at this time is a vision and proper guidance. The simplistic arguments on both sides are leading both the town and the theatre nowhere. The theatre is not a savior with regard to economic development, it can’t fix all of Stratford’s problems by itself. But if properly developed and supported, the theatre can be source of pride and a catalyst for economic progress not only for the town but for the region. The theatre is unique and it has a brand that can be promoted. It is time to start thinking broadly about the economic and civic benefits a revitalized theatre can create.

  44. 47 jezebel282

    CS,

    Thank you for saying that this theater will not “save” Stratford by itself. Although since the Town receives no tax benefit from “transportation, lodging, ancillary retail sales and other commercial transactions benefit from destination activities.” I continue to have difficulty with taxpayer funding for the theater.

    The clamor seems to be for releasing $1.5 million in bond funding. As we have noted, that is tax money by another name. Perhaps the biggest problem I have is the “next” portion. After we spend another whatever-it-takes to renovate the “White House ” then what? What is next? Unless and until somebody comes up with a coherent plan (yes, including entertainment that is not Shakespeare) to either raise funds from the private or charitable sector I have no idea how this story ends other than we all have to pay $1.5 million plus interest back.

    Who has the plan and when can we see it?

  45. 48 1george1

    Professor: Apology accepted. I thrive on legitimate criticism.
    I attempt to maintain public issues debates, but respond to
    personal attacks, somewhat like “Shylock” might reply, yet NOT
    with any attempt nor allusion at violence.
    * “Measure for Measure?”
    * Ctiticisms are often: “Much ado about nothing.”
    * Like Yorick: Words from the jester, are often more sad than comic.

    Jeze – Chris – et al: Merchandising, Licensing, Communications
    capabilities make the Shakespeare Theater have revenue stream
    potential which everyone discounts or minimizes, based on the
    Stratford Shakespeare History, which SABOTAGE has become
    plain, clear, and evident.

    Chris is correct about the “BRAND” and the caveat.
    His final paragraph states the same case I’ve presented for years,
    except:
    1 – Chris presents it better than I do.
    2 – Chris favored the Non Profit, long before I have, recognizing
    revenue streams from “for profits” are viable.

    I honestly believe an ENDOWMENT and PROFITS to GENERAL FUNDS
    can not just repay all past costs, cover expenses, and pay for the 3
    proposed phases of development, but also create General Fund Tax
    Relief and the staging area can help other non profits raise funds.

    I believe a fall and spring 1 or 2 week runs of 2 to 3 plays can make
    the Stratford Shakespeare Theater the destination for 4,000 school
    children per season for matinees, to enhance their skills.

    NAME your FAVORITE SHAKESPEARE
    1 – Play
    2 – Quote
    3 – Character
    4 – Literature directly attributable to the above

  46. 49 jezebel282

    George,

    Despite my fear of launching you into that Never Never Land of your prose,

    “Merchandising, Licensing, Communications capabilities make the Shakespeare Theater have revenue stream potential which everyone discounts or minimizes,”

    Because it is nearly impossible to quantify. It is dependent upon so many unknown variables that may or may not become reality. Yet again, it is not a plan. It is only a distant possibility.

  47. 50 cstratct

    Jezebel, of course the town would receive tax benefits from all of the activities I listed. Transportation is not just MTA but local taxi companies and shuttles and other services. Hotels and others pay local taxes, as do restaurants and other retail establishments. Local residents may also benefit by renting out rooms, apartments or houses.

    I continue to be amazed at the short-sighted nature of many of these arguments. Just because Shakespeare is in the title doesn’t mean the only thing produced is the works of Shakespeare. Neither the Ontario or Oregon festival produce just Shakespeare, nor does either present only a summer festival. It is a title which I would agree is misleading but not at all reflective of the activity of the organization in either content or duration.

    As for merchandising and licensing opportunities, while it may not be visible to you within the confines of the present situation in Stratford, you don’t need to look very hard to find numerous examples of arts activities that provide ample merchandising opportunities and revenue. Every Broadway show produces all sorts of merchandise (t-shirts, mugs, hats, etc.) in addition to collaborations on marketing that create valuable (read revenue generation) opportunities that can generate revenue for both organizations. Just because it hasn’t been done in Stratford in the past doesn’t mean that it can’t be done in the future. Again the right management with proper guidance and planning is most important. In the case of the theatre what is past is not necessarily prologue. Although I’m not a fan of Wikipedia for factual content, a description of the use of Shakespeare’s phrase is I believe appropriate to this discussion, Referring to the phrase from The Tempest, “It can also be taken to mean that everything up until now has merely set the stage for Antonio and Sebastian to make their own destinies; in this context it does not indicate that their future acts are fated, but rather that everything up to that point was merely like a prologue, not the important story.” With regard to the current situation, how the theatre was managed in the past has little to do with its future potential.

    Finally, as I have mentioned previously the money from the bond can be used to leverage additional funding and shows a commitment by the town to the future success of the theatre. I can provide numerous examples of local communities that invest in cultural infrastructure where the returns far outweigh the investment. It takes vision, commitment, planning, perseverance and execution.

  48. 51 jezebel282

    CS,

    “It takes vision, commitment, planning, perseverance and execution.”

    Show me the plan.

  49. 52 cstratct

    I believe that is what is happening with the current consultants, and will be implemented through a board of directors, President/CEO and others hired to manage, fund-raise and promote the new entity. It doesn’t happen overnight. Obviously I’m not privy to the current information being presented by the consultants. I also don’t know what fund-raising efforts are underway. What I do know is that actions taken by the current mayor and his staff certainly don’t help the situation. And quite frankly the attitude on display in his column in the Star makes clear his adversarial stance to both the project in general and those attempting to move the project forward. Were the mayor committed to the project he would be promoting it to outside entities and speaking to funders on behalf of the project. It wouldn’t cost him anything to do this and isn’t that one of his primary functions? Shouldn’t he be promoting town assets and seeking ways to secure funds to move projects like this forward? If I’m not mistaken there were others on here talking about the mayor securing a rather large award for another business project in town. He could do the same for the theatre by showing his commitment to assisting in fund-raising efforts. That doesn’t appear to be on his agenda.

  50. 53 rex525

    Does anyone know who landed the consulting job? A five step process sounds rather expensive. Maybe CBG Strategies will start doing a similar five step process for our nationwide employment searches. That way perhaps they can take a few more of our tax dollars to find more politically connected local candidates. Shame on you John Harkins, the only thing transparent about your administration is your shenanigans.

  51. 54 1george1

    Does anyone know who landed the consulting job?
    http://artsconsulting.com/

    Each phase of the program has an inclusive cost:
    needs assessment, $56,000;
    market analysis, $54,000;
    cost estimates, $34,000;
    community engagement process, $24,000;
    fundraising feasibility study, $32,000.

    PHASES 1-3 are complete
    HARKINS musta misread PHASE 4 as community enRagement

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Consulting-group-begins-Shakespeare-theater-849266.php#ixzz1wrZh3YR0

    Balance moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-18800

  52. Someone asked about the Non-Profit status for the Shakespeare – there is at least one.

    I did notice that the listing for “Stratford Mayor’s Charity Events” has its Exempt status revoked. Looks like the donations to the Golf Tournament are not deductible!

  53. 56 1george1

    JEZE: George, Despite my fear of launching you into that Never
    Never Land of your prose,

    “Merchandising, Licensing, Communications capabilities make
    the Shakespeare Theater have revenue stream potential which
    everyone discounts or minimizes,”

    Because it is nearly impossible to quantify. It is dependent upon
    so many unknown variables that may or may not become reality.
    Yet again, it is not a plan. It is only a distant possibility.
    ——————————————————————————-
    JEZE: I simply do not see the Theater generating the type of
    revenue for Stratford that your supporters do.
    Perhaps a few restaurants might see an increase in traffic or
    maybe even a hotel (umm…are there any in Stratford?) might
    see a few more bookings. But I do not see an increase in the
    tax base that would justify an investment of taxpayer dollars.

    Certainly not the type of revenue that a manufacturer
    would generate.
    =====================================================
    CHRIS: As for merchandising and licensing opportunities,
    while it may not be visible to you … you don’t need to look
    very hard to find numerous examples of arts activities that
    provide ample merchandising opportunities and revenue.
    * Every Broadway show produces all sorts of merchandise
    (t-shirts, mugs, hats, etc.)
    in addition to collaborations on marketing that create valuable
    (read revenue generation) opportunities that can generate
    revenue for both organizations
    ………………
    can provide numerous examples of local communities that
    invest in cultural infrastructure where the returns far
    outweigh the investment. It takes vision, commitment,
    planning, perseverance and execution.


    So I show how George Lucas and Disney had professional
    foresight and a plan for exceptional revenue ….
    natuarally JEZE moves it ….

    Shakespeare, Star Wars and Marvel are analogous!

  54. 57 jezebel282

    George,

    “natuarally JEZE moves it ….”

    Remind me again, who edits this blog?

  55. 58 rex525

    “Each phase of the program has an inclusive cost:
    needs assessment, $56,000;
    market analysis, $54,000;
    cost estimates, $34,000;
    community engagement process, $24,000;
    fundraising feasibility study, $32,000.”

    Thank you George.

    Wow, for that kind of money we could have probably hired a very respectable economic development expert for the Administration who could have handled this project and much more over the next two years (at 100k annually). I guess John Harkins isn’t much of a visionary either; either that or he doesn’t have any friends/cronies that would fit that bill. I can guarantee that I will never waste another vote on this man again, regardless of what he runs for, or whom he runs against. The best thing I have heard said about him lately is that he is disappointing…and that’s the best thing (although I have heard quite a bit worse).

    Give’em hell Councilman Catalano.

  56. 59 1george1

    U R welcomed REX.

    If Shakespeare were alive today, which play is closest to Stratford?

    REX (Oedipus, backwards: SU PI DEUS) play on your HELL comment:

    Play write endorsed me against Gavin in 2007 writing I was the
    most hated man in Town Hall.
    Mr. Catalano has likely replaced me with this crew.
    based on my experience with MRCC & ESQ, they rep HELL
    ALREADY and are trying to ANNEX more of Stratford for KISS:
    Knights In Satan’s Service.

    They have DEVIL WORSHIPERS due to Stratford HS Mascot.

    If the WITCHES CAULDRON was BUBBLING, would they lack for
    ingrediants?

  57. 60 cstratct

    Rex,

    I understand your frustration regarding the costs, however it appears the Harkins administration has no interest in showing support for revitalizing the theatre, so an economic development expert would not have done anything to advance the project. Were he to truly lead on this project, the mayor would be at the forefront of the fundraising efforts. By that I mean speaking positively and working to assist in securing funds (and I do not mean town funds). What is not needed is a condescending lecture to those who see the future potential of the facility and seek to improve Stratford’s prospects. Up to this point the mayor has been MIA, the momentum for the project has been primarily volunteer efforts, the money spent to maintain the building and property, and the consulting work. That work, if done thoroughly, should provide a strong foundation for the revitalization of the theatre. Mr. Catalano is doing his part as he has worked to secure donations (monetary and otherwise) to get the project headed in the right direction.

    The mayor could easily lend support to the project by speaking publicly and making calls to encourage financial support. This would not cost the town any money other than the time spent making calls and taking meetings, which is already a mayoral function and he has obviously done for other projects he deems important for the town’s economic development. The theatre is a town asset after all and just because some town council members and residents can’t see the potential benefits of a revitalized theatre for both civic and economic development doesn’t mean they don’t exist. You said it best, “I guess John Harkins isn’t much of a visionary either.”

  58. 61 cstratct

    Here’s a great article about the Chicago Shakespeare Theater:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303552104577436272305097172.html

    “But CST is more than just Shakespeare. Its associate artistic director, Gary Griffin, has directed several highly regarded Stephen Sondheim musicals at CST; he took its “Pacific Overtures” to London in 2004, where it won the Olivier Award for Outstanding Musical.”

    So what is on the boards at CST this season:

    Timon of Athens, Julius Caesar and. . . wait for it . . . Disney’s Beauty and the Beast.

    Some background on CST:

    “Chicago Shakespeare is committed to making theater an expansive, ever-changing and lifelong relationship. For our family audiences, CST Family presents abridged Shakespeare productions and classic musicals. Our education outreach program, Team Shakespeare, helps Shakespeare come alive for students and teachers in classrooms throughout the Midwest.

    At its permanent, state-of-the-art facility on Navy Pier, CST houses two intimate theater spaces: the 500-seat Jentes Family Courtyard Theater and the 200-seat Carl and Marilynn Thoma Theater Upstairs at Chicago Shakespeare. Through a year-round season encompassing more than 500 performances, CST leads the community as the largest employer of Chicago actors and attracts 200,000 audience members annually.”
    (http://www.chicagoshakes.com/main.taf?p=7)

    Did you catch that last line? What’s that again about Shakespeare not selling? Can we put that canard to rest.

  59. 62 1george1

    Chris – you pointed out readers do not appear to understand the
    potential revenue opportunities which the Stratford Shakespeare
    BRAND can generate.

    I showed analogous situations where Disney paid $ 4 BILLION for
    5,000 Marvel characters and the name recognized BRAND.
    * Shakespeare has over 1,000 characters & world recognized BRAND.

    I pointed out how George Lucas’s Star Wars BRAND and characters
    created $ 20 Billion in Licensing & Merchandising SALES.
    * Shakespeare’s legacy dwarfs both of those in Wealth creation both
    directly and indirectly, through inspiration.

    Possibly because these facts come from me and since I intentionally
    antagonize those who critiize me, that these readers do not want
    to recognize obvious and evident truth that:
    1 – Even sabotaged Stratford Shakespeare has MACRO VALUE .
    2 – These are analogous MONETIZATION and WEALTH CREATION
    where instead of viewing Lucas & Disney as the VAST EMPIRES
    they are and Stratford Shakespeare as having pissant potential,
    the reality is SHAKESPEARE is the VAST SHADOW SPECTRE behind
    most ANGLO – AMERICAN literature, besides the BIBLES, TORAH,
    GRECO-ROMAN-WESTERN CIV-LEVANT Classics imprinting on the
    collective and bonding AMERICAN CULTURE.

  60. 63 mikereynolds

    Chris,

    While I understand your point and actually agree that you can’t just do Shakespeare I don’t think its fair to compare a theater in a city of 2.7 million people to a theater in a state the size of CT, 3.6 million people.

  61. 64 Rockannand

    First off Jez, I agree my choice of words were wrong. The theatre and White House movement sometimes causes some of us to misspeak on occasion.

    I apparently do not get the email alerts with people update the blog, so i missed the 30+ comments since mine late Sunday night.

    A couple of key points to consider here:
    (1) There is NO economic plan or vision coming out of this or any other administration since I have been in this town for p[ast 6-7 years … ZERO.
    (2) If you read the comments of those who have signed the petition, you will see a sentiment and emotional response that is building from all quarters that point to something much bigger than the practical aspects of opening a theatre and fixing the last remaining 1700’s Greek revivial mansion in this Town. People have connections to these National Registered Landmarks that warrant saving at all costs:
    > NO one believe in the town or its governmental leaders and have not for decades.
    > The youth leave this town in droves because they see the apathy and inaction of just about everyone who is supposedly an adult.
    > There is very little for anyone of any age or background who lives, lived, works, worked, etc to take pride in when it comes to this Town.

    I can go on, but i actually have a day job – read the comments and see what I am talking about.
    (3) If you read the Arts COnsulting Group and spend time with the supporters, they do indeed have a plan. The one point in Harkins editorial in the Star last week I do agree with is that this study is something long over due to determine what the real opportunity is for the this theatre over the next 5-10 years. I heard the presentation and have read the associated report accompanying the Phase 3 recommendations.
    (4) This is not a short-term payback project/initiative … BUT Then again what program of any scale has any short-term financial payback? That’s why this admin is getting hammered from all sides now. NO PLAN. Gimmicks for one-time $$, more taxes. This is what everyone of all ages sees and we are all sick of it.

    So why can’t this play out through the Consultants study this fall to see what the real fund-raising prospects are. In the short-run, invest the Bond money that can only go to the white house or theatre and unlock the doors and let the volunteers proceed with the Festival plans for 2012.

    My position from watching the events of the last few weeks and the groundswell of comments and support within the town and around the region and country is that the Theatre is a beacon for everything that is possible for this town in terms of fighting the apathy and negative mindsets that exist all over town and gets played out in this and other local blogs.

    Jez, my final comment to you is that plans , real plans that have teeth, budget, etc flow from people with real vision who can see a much bigger picture and then lead people towards the realization of that vision. There are some people in this town that have the vision and the religion for leading people that want to believe in this town and in beacons like the theatre and the White HOuse. Except for Matt Catalano, there aren;t any visionaries in Town Hall. There are some that want to believe and want to follow in Town Hall. Some have quietly signed the petition. Some have been outspoken in favor.

    Yes Mike, the MAyor and Council members have handled this badly and give us supporters a very large pedestal to make our case. I call that Patch video of Jim Connor and Harkins arguing with Matt a godsend – “The Video that Launched a 1,000 signature (and counting) ship”.

    Watch events over the next few days and weeks as I believe this pedestal will get bigger, louder and receive quite a bit of coverage across the state. We do not intend to step with the petition. Our position is that the future of this town is at stake. What do you want Stratford to be? What do you want Stratford to stand for? I believe this is the right issue upon which to take a stand and make a case for what actions this town should be taking to make this a better Stratford.

    There are a lot of smart and involved people who post here so I do not intend to make an emotional appeal and have immediate positive reaction. The enemy to me is apathy and a “we can’t do it” mindset. People stuck in that mindset are part of the problem and not part of the solution. Fortunately, this movement has found a rather large number of people who want a better Stratford and are using this issue to take a stand. I applaud the courage of those who have done so. we welcome those who want to join us in the coming weeks and months.

    George if you attempt to pile on to this in anyway, your toast.

    Watch for the press release later tonight/early morning announcing the next rally. If you support the cause, please share the petition with friends and others who also want to believe in a batter Stratford. If you don’t then sit back and watch how this plays out. I promise it won’t be boring.

  62. 65 cstratct

    Mike, I appreciate your comment, but I think you are missing my point regarding the false assumptions brought about by names and the production of classical work like Shakespeare. My point in my earlier post was that (1) Shakespeare productions are alive and prospering in many other markets and (2) having Shakespeare in the name of the organization is by no means indicative of the content produced by the organization.

    As for the population comparison, population in and of itself is a poor indicator for comparability. Years of studies consistently find that education and income are very strong indicators of arts and cultural attendance/participation. Not to mention you’re comparing a state to a metropolitan area. Perhaps Combined Statistical Areas are a better measure. The total population for the Chicago–Naperville–Michigan City, IL–IN–WI CSA in 2010 was 9,461,105. The total population for the New York–Newark–Bridgeport, NY–NJ–CT–PA CSA in 2010 was 18,897,109. I don’t have time to look into income and education statistics but I suspect the Northeast would be at the least comparable to Chicago with respect to income and education, and likely higher with respect to median income.

    There is also the issue of competition. Chicago has a significant theatre community and a lot of competition, but obviously CST does pretty good in that market. There are a lot of factors to consider, many of which I suspect would be in the market analysis section of the consultant’s report. I would expect to find some comparables in the market analysis.

  63. 66 1george1

    ROCK: George if you attempt to pile on to this in anyway, your toast.
    GM to ROCK: Are you THREATENING VIOLENCE?

    GM to all:
    There exist a plan since the 1980s for the coast line from Devon
    Bridge to & including Shakespeare Theater to be 3 Hotels with
    many Docks.Many long time Stratford resients have acknowledged
    they have seen such a plan and renditions.

    Shakespeare Theater is a subplot in the literary and real estate sense.

    The criminal & civil ramifications, if proven …..

  64. 67 Rockannand

    I give up. George, you are hammer that thinks everything and everyone is a nail. I vote you off this thread as you add nothing but angst and frustration. Its up to the Jez, but please enough.

  65. 68 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “Jez, my final comment to you is that plans , real plans that have teeth, budget, etc flow from people with real vision who can see a much bigger picture and then lead people towards the realization of that vision.”

    Well, let’s hope it’s not your final comment.

    I understand that this issue can be very emotional and personal to many people. For a change of pace I would simply like to discuss the business aspects of the issue. I have, shall we say, months and months of business experience. I have yet to see any viable business begun or attract a single investor without a serious business plan. And I do mean the whole thing. Assumptions based on comparative data and then cash flow projections, staffing, overhead, marketing, sales, operations, G&A, facilities costs, maintenance, Balance Sheet and P&L. You know, like a business.

    I appreciate the possibilities of ancillary revenues, branding and increased traffic flow. But these are not the nuts and bolts of running a business. When it is all over, the theater will be a business providing a product or not. I believe it is a fair question to ask whether or not this will be a going business enterprise or something that is totally dependent on grants and the good wishes (and checks) of others.

    I have heard no such thing discussed…yet. Frankly, I am bored by Andy Hardy Economics (Let’s put on a Show!). I would like to discuss something real about this project.

  66. 69 jezebel282

    Extra notes:

    To receive an email when someone posts, click on “Email Subscription” in the column on the right of the screen.

    As for George….sigh. He has a good heart. He just doesn’t make the effort to read what anyone else writes nor make any attempt whatsoever to follow a discussion. For now I will simply move his more gratuitous, lengthy and mostly irrelevant posts.

  67. Jez ~ as you know, I have other priorities right now, but once I can get on this track fully again, I intend to start a letter writing campaign and see what grows. We doo need some fundraising efforts. I believe Matt Catalano, Ed Goodrich and the other volunteers have proven that with little funds and lots of elbow grease they could pull off a student production, that is until the Mayor’s feathers were ruffled (and the feathers of those who stand to gain nothing if it happened).

    I believe that if it did happen, other things would follow. Fundraising efforts would be more positive. We have a Mayor who appears balls to he wall against this. Why? Could there be something in it for him if this fails? I have heard rumblings to that effect. They are not honest with us, the taxpayers of this Town! They exist to make money off our hard work!

  68. 71 Rockannand

    … so why do you think they are not spending the Bond money that is supposedly earmarked for Shakespeare? Is it being saved for some other “plan”?

  69. 72 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    I realize your last comment was directed at Rock, but I feel compelled to respond given our previous give and take on the subject. I have been very careful to make practical (not emotional) observations with respect to this topic. I have pointed out specific aspects with regard to planning, fund-raising and marketing that I have had personal experience studying and analyzing for various cultural entities throughout the country. These are anything but emotional arguments.

    With respect to how the “business” will operate and the detailed planning, that is much of what I assume is being prepared by ACG. I think it is important to address the not-for-profit versus commercial consideration. While I agree to a certain extent that all organizations generate “products,” not-for-profits are driven by very different motivations than commercial enterprises. I’m sure you know this, but I believe it bears repeating, especially when you ask “whether or not this will be a going business enterprise or something that is totally dependent on grants and the good wishes (and checks) of others.” This is not an either/or situation. Most performing arts organizations (performing arts centers, theatre/opera/dance companies, symphonies, etc.) generate a certain amount of revenue through ticket sales and other earned revenue streams. They are not “totally dependent on grants and the good wishes of others.”

    Take a look at the data from the most recent TheatreFacts report from Theatre Communications Group. For the 171 profiled theatres in the 2010 report, earned revenue financed 59% of total expenses. Less than half of the total revenue reported by these theatres came from contributions. (http://www.tcg.org/pdfs/tools/TheatreFacts_2010.pdf) I assume by “going business enterprise” you mean an organization completely reliant on earned revenue. While that is certainly a worthwhile goal for a not-for-profit, it is highly unlikely. A not-for-profit has a mission to provide “products” for the public, and there will likely always be benefactors who choose to support those efforts. A diversified portfolio of both earned (tickets/admissions, concessions, special events, rental income, etc.) and contributed (individual, corporate, foundation, government, etc.) revenue is important for sustained success in carrying out an organization’s mission.

    This is not what you call “Andy Hardy Economics.” This is how strong, long-standing institutions are built. I would be very interested in reading the ACG report, as I’m sure you would be as well. I suspect that if they have done what is described above in sufficient detail, their work will provide the strong foundation upon which a successful organization can be built.

  70. 73 1george1

    The unspent BOND money:
    1 – helps their BOND RATING due to CASH RESERVES.
    2 – keeps the WHITE HOUSE as a BLIGHT, not preventing further damage
    3 – keeps the SHAKESPEARE PHASES stalled, keeping community from
    being engaged which would be foundational for FUND RAISING
    4 – blows the summer Season for ONSITE PRODUCTIONS
    5 – Allows them to POSTURE as being FISCALLY responsible
    6 – while maybe:
    “Could there be something in it for him if this fails?
    I have heard rumblings to that effect.
    They are not honest with us, the taxpayers of this Town!
    They exist to make money off our hard work!”
    “(and the feathers of those who stand to gain nothing if it happened).”

  71. 74 1george1

    IF “THE BUSINESS PLAN” were CREATED and SHOWN, is there ANY
    LIKELIHOOD, certain people wouldn’t SKIM E V E R Y T H I N G ??

    JEZE: ” have yet to see any viable business begun or attract a single investor without a serious business plan. And I do mean the whole thing. Assumptions based on comparative data and then cash flow projections, staffing, overhead, marketing, sales, operations, G&A, facilities costs, maintenance, Balance Sheet and P&L. You know, like a business.

    I appreciate the possibilities of ancillary revenues, branding and increased traffic flow. But these are not the nuts and bolts of running a business. When it is all over, the theater will be a business providing a product or not. I believe it is a fair question to ask whether or not this will be a going business enterprise or something that is totally dependent on grants and the good wishes (and checks) of others.

  72. 75 jezebel282

    CS,

    “I realize your last comment was directed at Rock”
    You know you can always jump in. Glad to have you.

    “I think it is important to address the not-for-profit versus commercial consideration.”
    “Not for profit” does not mean “Operate in a hole”.

    “not-for-profits are driven by very different motivations than commercial enterprises.”
    I am sure that is the case. But the lifetime of a not-for-profit would be measured in months if no attention were paid to the business side of the enterprise.

    “This is not an either/or situation. Most performing arts organizations (performing arts centers, theatre/opera/dance companies, symphonies, etc.) generate a certain amount of revenue through ticket sales and other earned revenue streams.”
    So do hospitals, rescue organizations, sports leagues etc. The only point I am making is that while art (to be defined) may be a lofty goal in and of itself, it won’t make the lights come on when you flip the switch. That’s how we got here in the first place.

    “what I assume is being prepared by ACG.”
    Remind me again, is this the second, third or fourth consultant’s report? There is nothing I would like better than to see the entire report (after all, we paid for it) posted online so that everyone can read it and discuss it.

    “This is not what you call “Andy Hardy Economics.””
    I wasn’t directing that particular comment at you, but we have all heard this refrain many times; if only we spent a couple of million dollars on renovation…..

    As I am sure our friend Portia would agree, government involvement in a private enterprise is not a good thing. You must also admit that our particular municipal government in Stratford is so inept, partisan and personal that it remains a mystery why anyone would consider giving it even more responsibility.

    Given the last round of budget “discussions” the most downtrodden and disregarded segment of Stratford is the taxpayer. To ask them to bear yet more of the burden is almost cruel.

  73. It looks like the petition will be delivered to the Mayor and Town Council on Monday June 11th. Marching from Station House Square to the Town Hall at 6 PM.

  74. 77 1george1

    OUTLINE of some REVENUE SOURCES, amongst a Business Plan for
    a NON PROFIT UMBRELLA for the SHAKESPEARE THEATER:
    1 – GRANTS – Government, Corporate, Foundation
    2 – PATRONS – Government, Corporate, Foundation, Private
    Whereas Grants are 1 time & often higher, most Patrons are ongoing
    3 – SUBSCRIPTIONS – Advance to Event Day TICKET SALES
    4 – RENT to Catering, Restaraunt, Radio, TV/Cable onsight
    5 – Lease Fees for Events, with surcharge
    6 – FUND RAISERS on Site
    7 – MERCHANDISING
    8 – LICENSING FEES
    9 – DOCUMENTARIES – MOVIES, SOLD for Art House showing & fees
    from CABLE with RESIDUAL REVENUE, when aired
    10 – ANY & ALL CONCERTS & EVENTS downloaded or sold would have
    mandated FUND RAISING FEES

    Balance moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-18828

  75. 78 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    The not-for-profit vs. commercial discussion goes far beyond dollars and cents although I agree it is an important part of the discussion, which is why I provided some statistics regarding earned and contributed revenue. What do you think the margins are for hospitals, rescue organizations, sports leagues, etc.? Do you believe they are 60/40? I don’t have time right now to seek out this information for other sectors, but suffice it to say the more than 1 million non-for-profit organizations in this country (operating in all facets of society) have some reliance on contributed revenue. An analysis of public vs. private contributions for various sectors would be interesting.

    I do think we are talking past one another to some extent. If producing performances is the mission of an organization, then that “product” is certainly part of what will make the lights come on, as admissions revenue does in part “pay the freight.”

    I disagree with your conclusion that this is “how we got here in the first place.” As I said earlier, I would argue poor management decisions and strategic planning led to the downfall of the previous organization that inhabited the theatre. I believe separating the institution from the physical structure is important when discussing this topic because those managing the entity during that time are no longer involved.

    As for the consultants, to my knowledge the work being done by ACG is the first with respect to the organizational aspects of a new entity. The report prepared by the previous consultants was, if I remember correctly, largely a structural study of several options to refurbish the theatre. That is very different from what the current consultants are preparing. You can argue the piecemeal nature of the activity, but they are different studies with unique intended outcomes.

    I realize you were not directing that comment at me and I appreciate the clarification, although the general nature of the comment did appear to suggest that the conversation up to this point (at least on this blog) has been largely emotional and lacking quantitative measures, which is why myself and others have tried to address more substantive areas of consideration.

    I look at government involvement in “private enterprise” (however you’re using that term-I assume you are also referring to not-for-profit activity that serves the public good) as situational. Not all government involvement is good, not all is bad. It has to be a case-by-case basis determined by public benefit, economic development, civic engagement, and a variety of other factors. All this and more must be weighed. I certainly don’t disagree that Stratford politics as currently constructed is highly dysfunctional. But also note that most of what I’ve been talking about is not about investing more local public dollars. I said several years ago that we should use what was bonded as a way to leverage additional investment (contributions), not dig deeper into the public coffers.

  76. 79 jezebel282

    CS,

    “I would argue poor management decisions and strategic planning led to the downfall of the previous organization that inhabited the theatre.”
    Well, that’s kinda my point. If there is no viable plan then poor management decisions and strategic planning will undoubtedly be the result.

    “we should use what was bonded as a way to leverage additional investment (contributions), not dig deeper into the public coffers.”
    That is something to debate. There is, by the way, no difference between “bonded” funds and taxpayer dollars with the exception that bonding is more expensive. It would be my preference to examine a real business plan prior to committing expensive taxpayer money.

  77. 80 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    I agree with everything you have said. I don’t believe you just expend those funds without proper planning. But indicating those funds are available shows a commitment by the town, even if they are not yet expended. That is why I suggest using the committed (not spent) town funds to leverage additional funding. Matching funds are somewhat easier to come by when you have some funds to match.

  78. 81 1george1

    JEZE – You and others continually ignore INTENTIONAL SABOTAGE
    designed for (planned) PRIVATE GAIN and refer to poor decisions,
    per managment and strategic planning.

    Balance moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-18834

  79. 82 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Matching funds are somewhat easier to come by when you have some funds to match.”

    Which brings us to the next point. There is no doubt that there are $1.5 million in funds bonded for this purpose. (Let’s pray that Sue Collier remembers where it is). So the point becomes where are any matching funds? Do we spend the $1.5 million first and hope that someone else steps up? Are we going “all in” sitting at the table alone? For that kind of money, why, we could almost hire another Town Attorney!

  80. 83 jezebel282

    George,

    “You and others continually ignore INTENTIONAL SABOTAGE”

    Not so.

    It is obvious to all readers that by locking out volunteers Harkins intentionally put a stop to any efforts to do something with this theater.

    If you actually follow the discussion, which you hardly ever do, you would realize that the points being made are to eliminate the emotional and rhetorical arguments of those who want this theater opened. It is a prodding to work to get their act together and make something happen that has a better than even chance of succeeding.

  81. 84 Rockannand

    Exactly Jez. You can’t totally eliminate the emotional aspects. Rhetorical yes, emotions not possible. But those getting involved now are coming at this differently with regard to planning, seeing a bigger picture of goals and objectives that either did not get done over past 10-15 years, were overlooked or they lacked players with connections to get things done. Whatever, I believe we are all in agreement except George.

  82. 85 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “But those getting involved now ”

    I look forward to the details.

    “I believe we are all in agreement except George.”

    C’mon, Rock. You’re not trying. I’m sure you can throw in the CIA, Trilateral Commission or the Bilderberg Society somewhere. Didn’t the Masons lay the cornerstone of the White House?

  83. 86 1george1

    Can we move these gratuitous from this blog string? 🙂

    I’m sure you can throw in the CIA, Trilateral Commission
    or the Bilderberg Society somewhere. Didn’t the Masons
    lay the cornerstone of the White House?

    Whatever, I believe we are all in agreement except George.

    —————

    Here rock & I agree, yet from different perspectives & reasons
    since there are very connected people, who do have their own
    agenda and priorities, which Jeze has also concurred:

    “But those getting involved now are coming at this differently
    with regard to planning, seeing a bigger picture of goals and
    objectives that either did not get done over past 10-15 years,
    were overlooked or they lacked players with connections to
    get things done.”

  84. 87 jezebel282

    George,

    “Can we move these gratuitous from this blog string? ”
    Let me ask the Editor…

    No.

  85. 88 Rockannand

    No Jez, but the pilgrims landed at the foot of the theatre in 1639 and said, “One day there will be a SPorts Complex or Nursing Home here, I’m sure of it! Or maybe a Hotel &^ Casino run by the local Indians”.

  86. 90 1george1

    Shakespeare (and Ferry Boulevard corridor) planned for developers?

    Drive property value down by using: $$, blight, & scare …
    justifications? Subplots of Shakespearean dimensions?

  87. 91 Rockannand

    Now here is a very measured and well presented case for the theatre based on economic impact on the region and fund raising feasibility. Based on my experience, his assumptions for what is possible for getting $30mm over 5-6 years is very plauasible.
    http://stratfordstar.com/opinion/editorial-page/letters-to-the-editor/73452-revitalized-center-for-the-arts-will-pay-dividends-for-stratford-region.html
    That assumes though that the Task Force working with Arts Consulting is allowed do its job uninterrupted.

    I will say that Harkins justifiably got hammered in the Star for that ridiculous editorial letter that Marc Dillon obviously wrote for him. They need s PR person to review those letters in the future.

  88. 92 1george1

    Mr. Mihaley improved on my letter to the star months ago, about
    the many economic benefits related to Shakesspeare & viability.
    As a former UNITED TECHNOLOGIES VP, he is better at presenting
    facts and projections than I am.
    I believe the professor libeled him in this blog, in my string.

    Theater supporters devasted Harkins. Alexandra Moran’s letter
    showed why referendum today would tear down Theater.

    Elitist snobs caring about an empty Mansion against greedy
    political actors who made life hard for low, fixed, & under
    employed residents and businesses who are over taxed and
    devastated by oil & gas pricing.

    Unless the supporters take on the true villains and expose the
    whole truth they are in a huge minority, no matter what I or
    Rock believe about the benefit to the Town & Treasury.

    The other alternative, is for them to steal the Revenues.
    Same reason they poured poisons in the Raymark pond, before
    they covered it over.

  89. 93 1george1

    Comments Sept 29 Shakespeare Theater – Town Council Public Hearing.
    Letter to Editor about that time. Economic Impact.

  90. 94 jezebel282

    “I believe the professor libeled him in this blog, in my string. ”

    Let it go, George.

  91. 95 1george1

    SHOW A SENSE OF DECENCY

  92. 96 cstratct

    Mr. Mihaley’s numbers are inflated but he is on the right track. Look at the most recent Arts and Economic Prosperity report released today. (http://www.artsusa.org/information_services/research/services/economic_impact/iv/national.asp)

    Average per person spending (not including admissions) is $24.60 per event. It also shows that nonlocal attendees spend twice as much as local attendees ($39.96 vs. $17.42). There is a great graph showing the breakdown of expenditures by type. My point is not to throw cold water on the argument, only to say that we need to use the best evidence we have to support the case for revitalizing the theatre.

    There is also an economic impact calculator where you can input some scenarios to see what the local and state government impact would be. (http://www.americansforthearts.org/information_services/research/services/economic_impact/iv/calculator.html)

    Jezebel, I know you have talked previously (as have others) about avoiding the emotional argument and sticking to the facts. I realize your comments may have not been directed at me but I will say it is possible to use the emotional impact created by recent events to feed momentum. Combine that with facts and reliable data and it appears there is a cohesive, legitimate argument to be made for revitalizing the theatre and building Stratford’s future.

  93. 97 jezebel282

    CS,

    “not to throw cold water on the argument”

    You definitely have not. It is beginning. Since the theater hasn’t been open for decades, you have to start somewhere. But we can’t leave it there. Now someone has to take that starting point and draw a clear path to a finish. That means a business plan with actual cost projections.

  94. 98 1george1

    Mr. Mihaley’s presentation is a tip of the iceberg of potential.
    It is good to read FACT BASED PUBLIC ISSUE dialog about the
    curtain raising of the Shakespeare Theater.

  95. 99 mikereynolds

    http://www.stratfordstar.com/news/73498-repairs-on-white-house-to-begin-within-two-weeks.html

    Looks like repairs will begin to the “white house”. Somehow I don’t think this will appease, mollify, or turn the frown upside down of the theater supporters. Much in the way giving the animal supporters a new facility has opened the door to them complaining for more money.

  96. 100 1george1

    Mike: White House is only part. Shakespeare access THE KEY.

    HUGE, HUGE NEWS PENDING, only fractionally related!
    But this TEMPEST caused certain eyes to be opened…..

    And Mike, I agree about no NEW money and I feel they must
    REPAY PUBLIC TREASURY for ALL REPAIRS/MAINT from REVENUES!

  97. 101 Rockannand

    This is only $160K of work. There is still $1.34mm left on the bond. But that is another issue as attempts to find out what has happened to the bond is getting the ole Hummana Hummana hummana response from the Mayor’s spokespeople. Was the Mayor within his rights to retire $1mm of the original $3.1mm? Where is the balance? Answers are not very forthcoming.

    I know that the idea of having bond money go to repair the White HOuse is not popular, but this is why the bonds were approved by the COuncil in 2007 ,,, and that was a Repub dominated council as now.

    Regardless of the various opinions here and elsewhere, letting the oldest remaining Greek revival home just crumble is criminal. Further the CT EPA laws protecting houses like this with its historical significance and landmark registry status would subject the town to possible law suits by the state, ala what happened in Wallingford early last year.
    http://ctwatchdog.com/govt/historic-ct-court-ruling-could-save-more-historic-ct-buildings#comment-82999

    This administration better wake up to the fact that those supporting the Theatre and the White house COMPLETE restoration have many weapons at their disposal if pushed into a corner.

  98. 102 Rockannand

    Jez, to your last comment about bizplan, patience is a virtue. Its coming.

    But making the case entirely on ROI blah blah blah is missing the bigger picture that Harkin and company is clueless to respond.

    Where is the Mayor’s and TC’s plan to develop new revenues for the town?
    What are they doing to revitalize existing business and attract new business besides beauty parlors and fast food joints?
    How many more services can they outsource and privatize?
    What is there plan/vision for this town looking out 5-10 years? How about 1-3 years?

    So everyone gets totally PO’d at the Mayor and vote him out next year. The what? He swaps positions with Hoydick, he gets his old job back and she becomes the Mayor?

    The RTC is revolving door of clueless and totally ineffective candidates. Its almost incestuous. So I hold no expectations for relief from the ballot box and who is on the page when I pull the lever.

    This town’s enemy is APATHY and lack of involvement of the people. Groups like SaveStratford and FORStratford are going to be where the action is. SaveStratford found the answer to the Raymark Remediation … not the EPA, not the Council, not anyone in the positions of authority and responsibility to solve the problem. Citizens came together, did their homework and then used facts and a very sharp stick to make the town and the EPA to the right thing.

    I hate to say this, but same thing is going to happen for Shakespeare, the White House and other major civic and business revitalization projects for the foreseeable future. The people who run the political parties that run things in this town will not make it happen. Not unless groups like the ones mentioned above start taking control and make them accountable. Classic Machiavellian approach.

    A lotta work, but that’s the way change comes about in today’s America. Makes no difference if you are left or right, blue or red, conservative or liberal, Dems or Repubs. No better example then Mr Catalano. He is clearly trying to do the right thing and his party is killing him behind the scenes. Fortunately his district loves him so it is hard for the party to punish him too much. Though they are trying mightily. Hence the locks on the theatre doors.

    No, what we have here is a case of Howard Beal inciting the people to get “:Mad as hell and I ‘m not going to take it anymore”. But it was Harkins and Connor that did it. With a little channeling of the anger towards real issuse w e may get somewhere. That means each angry sub-group working together to help each other to hold the Town officials accountable and make decisions that help US NOT THEM.

    Boy that rant felt good 😀

  99. Rock ~ just catching up. In your post #101, are you telling us no one knows where the bond money is at this point? Could it be that it was diverted? WOW, I certainly would not be surprised since the “naughty” players have had other plans for that property anyway. They’ve been circling like vultures!

  100. 104 1george1

    Achieve Letters to the Editor, to come up to speed on diverse
    issues about subtraction of revenues, additions of obligations,
    cascading debt, and cuctator acts under the color of the law,
    which fund the billing machines which protect secrets of the
    KEEP, including failed BIDS of SHAKESPEARE and AVCO.

    Look behind the wings of the stages’ tormentors to follow the
    money. Carol Lockshier confirming the “developers’ issues” opens
    eyes and minds about the subplots, machinations, causes & effects,
    modus operendi, mens rhea, timing, disparate treatment, facts &
    circumstances’ of the prince john & nottingham type wannabees,
    more villainous than “I AGO.”

    An electronic paper trail exists in this blog and other sources by
    multiple people. The johnny come latelies deserve just credit and
    they too would acknowledge predecsessors like members of the
    FAC, Marcia Stewart, Diane Buda, Eleanor Burke, and the late great
    Ed Hargus.

  101. 105 Rockannand

    I am sure Patty they know where the money is … or should be, but the past few weeks of making a variety of “Shakes” stuff more transparent is causing a lot of hummena, hummena, hummena (ala Ralph Kramden).
    > We need a blow by blow accounting of that money from initial sale of the bonds to now.
    > We need to EXACTLY how that money can be spent and who has the authority to allocate, budget and spend it.
    > The Building Committee budgeted $350K for repairs in thie fiscal cycle and bids they will award (finally) is for $160 for 3 repair items (roof, siding and floor joists for 1st floor).
    > What about remaining $190K for this fiscal year?
    > Why can the mayor hold up the bid award process?
    > Why is the COuncil letting him do that if the TC is responsible for capital work/appropriations for town owned buildings?

    Lots and lots of questions and few answers so far.

  102. 106 1george1

    WARNING:
    1 – LONG POST
    2 – DIRECTLY RELATES to the ABOVE POST per SHAKESPEARE BOND
    3 – RAISES isssues to CONNECT all SORTS of MONEY MOVEMENTS
    which don’t seem Kosher?
    4 – My INTENT is to EDUCATE HONEST PEOPLE of GOOD WILL.
    5 – As to the others …. 😉

    In Just May 2011 $103 Million, was BONDED and REBONDED.

    Over $ 53,000,000 was for the High Schools.
    I was present the prior year @ the Building needs meeting where
    the consultants projected $ 32-33 million minimum, and likely not
    more than $ 37 million.
    That’s $ 16 to $ 20 million BONDED over the PROJECTED COSTS?
    – Since the STATE is supposed to PAY 48%-50%, their piece would
    go up from $ 16-$18 Million range to $ 26.5 million.
    You don’t think someone would try to pad BILLS to have the STATE
    cover some PENSION SHORT FALL, OT, or LAWYER FEES/SETTLEMENTS?

    There were normal BONDING ISSUES in the $ 10 to $ 14 million range
    for normal Capital improvement Bonds.

    There were other REBONDING in the PRIOR YEAR.

    I’m normally pretty good figuring out the SHELL GAMES in the
    BUDGET. However INCLUDING the SHAKESPEARE BONDINGS for
    the WHITE HOUSE, 5 PHASE STUDY, and all of the OTHER MONEY
    being moved around … I’m in the same predicament as JEZEBEL
    who can’t make head OR tails of the WPCA BUDGET.

    I know for FACTS:
    1) CAPITAL DEBT under MIRON went from THE $ 180 mILLION to
    about $ 210 MILLION.
    2) MIRON was OVER TAXING and OVER BONDING intially and then
    holding back doing CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS until his FINAL YEAR,
    which had the Benefit of KITING CAPITAL RESERVES and the BOND
    RATING.
    3) Dean Moore and John Norko were far more forth coming about
    providing information in a timely manner and explaining things,
    than the present Administration.

    JEZE: This is a driect follow up the the ROCK’S POINT as it relates
    specifically to the Shakespeare Theater.
    CALL ME CRAZY
    CALL ME a CONSPIRACY NUT

    However …. Hypothetically what if MONEY from
    SHAKESPEARE is moved ILLEGALLY?
    WPCA is moved ILLEGALLY?
    EMS is moved ILLEGALLY?
    REBONDING is moved ILLEGALLY?

    I thought BONDING could be USED only a CERTAIN WAY?
    I thought the TOWN COUNCIL is solely responsible for external
    money and Departments.

    Hypotheically if it’s proven there is EMBEZZLING in the
    GENERAL FUND and in the DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION,
    and in BENEFITS, doesn’t all of the money have to be RECOVERED
    and without STATUTE of LIMITATIONS?

    I am pro UNION; pro FAIR PROFIT; pro GOOD GOVERNMENT;
    I want workers to get good pay, good benefits, and
    not see the whole contract repudiated and find the HARTFORD
    people take away PENSIONS because of decisions by political
    parties, Administrations, Town Councils, Town Attorneys.

    JEZE: I’d move this to my sting, however, it’s been hijacked
    by gentlemen who can’t seem to argue issues.

    It’s OK.

    NOT a boo hoo.

    They did me a favor and reminded me there are times it makes
    more sense taking to the wall than answering criticism.

    At one time this was your blog and your rules and you stepped
    in a couple weeks ago. Their words and acts make you look bad,
    regardless of what they choose to write about me.

    The shame is there are a lot of very positive contibutions you
    make to the town and to me.

    For the good things, I say thank you.

    I feel you were right about the Mirons & friends.
    I feel you showed integrity on many occasions and when the
    people showed by their deeds, they didn’t deserve the support
    you, PCS, and so many others believed.

    I too gave Mr. Harkins the benefit of the doubt and was told
    in advance about what to expect.

    So here’s to George posting in the WRONG PLACE and MUCH
    LONGER than all recent POSTS.

    PLEASE ANSWER this QUESTION?
    Does the above post appear to be intended to be informative
    and for the benefit of the PEOPLE of STRATFORD?

    Have a nice night!

  103. 107 Rockannand

    George, your post HAS nothing to do with this thread’s topic. Seems like a Business as Usual observation. I only attack what i can address and stop/fix. So back to Shakespeare and the topic of the thread.

    It appears that the $1mm reduction in the bond was something that Harkins is not authorized to do, OOOOOPPPPPSSSSS!!! Let’s see how he explains this one this week.

  104. 108 Rockannand

    Also, in attempt to stay on topic, the Council plans to try and deep six the Summer Festival by using a favorite one from the GOP play book – starve what you don’t want in the budget. So they shorted the Festival $15K in favor of that ever popular Blues Festival that Johnny is been waiting for all year.

    Watch though as the Festival and SHakespeare supporters come up with cash by 8pm tomorrow to thwart another RTC attempt to kill the theatre. Rumor has it that the supporters will have the cash in time for the March on Town Hall.

    Also, there are already over 50 people signed up to SPEAK tomorrow at PubForum. And of course that’s Matt’s fault too. Its all Matt’s fault that 1200 people have signed the petition, that 150-200 people are expected for the March, that 50+ people have signed up already to speak and that a bunch of “volunteers” are managing to come with the cash to save the Summer Festival.

    They (RTC crew) just don’t get it and think all this hardball action is going to work and scare the supporters off. Well a fast pitch comes back at you just as fast when you hit it. And the supporters have the very good fastball hitters.

  105. 110 1george1

    The above was a FOCUSED attack on LIMITED ISSUES & BLOG STRINGS 😉

  106. 111 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “Rumor has it that the supporters will have the cash in time for the March on Town Hall.”

    Perhaps. However it is probable that the Council will sit patiently and listen until you guys leave. Then they will quietly pass an additional $13 MILLION bond issue (check the agenda). Who said it was Democrats that tax and spend?

  107. http://www.townofstratford.com/popup.aspx?listing=ShortEvents|6/11/2012|37964|7477

    Also on the agenda…
    Section 1. Creation of the Town of Stratford Redevelopment Agency. There is hereby created a
    redevelopment agency for the Town in accordance with Section 8-126 of the Connecticut General
    Statutes, said agency to be known as the “Stratford Redevelopment Agency.”

    Would have anything to do with the White House and Shakespeare Theater?

  108. 113 jezebel282

    Jim,

    “Would have anything to do with the White House and Shakespeare Theater?”

    Like most things in Stratford, it is not clear. Maybe it will be the “agency” in charge of selling off the profitable WPCA or the Transfer Station or whatever other assets someone can make a quick buck off.

    Nonetheless, if you look at the bonding ordinance it is amazing that most of the “projects” are normal day to day maintenance and repair items. You would think that our regular taxes and, oh yes, “fees” would cover that.

    Council Agenda

    Note: You have to scroll to Page 15 for the Bonding ordinance.

  109. 114 1george1

    Perhaps. However it is probable that the Council will sit
    patiently and listen until you guys leave.
    Then they will quietly pass an additional $13 MILLION
    bond issue (check the agenda).

    REBUTTAL:
    100 % agree!
    More BONDING?
    What a surprize?
    Answers ROCK’S position the Administration had no where to turn,
    doesn’t it?

    Who said it was Democrats that tax and spend?

    REBUTTAL:
    RTC controlled Stratford BUDGETS & LEGISLATION most of 25 years
    of TOWN COUNCILS, BOARD of EDUCATION, & ZONING
    Each interrelates to SPENDING & REVENUE. with Zoning being
    affected by pending DEVELOPMENT AGENCY
    What DTC Chairman has made the most money by far and what
    are the political connections his firm has, which should have kept
    Stratford from the problems encountered.

  110. 115 1george1

    Jim,

    “Would have anything to do with the White House and Shakespeare Theater?”

    Like most things in Stratford, it is not clear. Maybe it will be the “agency” in charge of selling off the profitable WPCA or the Transfer Station or whatever other assets someone can make a quick buck off.

    Nonetheless, if you look at the bonding ordinance it is amazing that most of the “projects” are normal day to day maintenance and repair items. You would think that our regular taxes and, oh yes, “fees” would cover that.

    REBUTTAL:
    INTERESTING that JEZE notes there are interrelationships, which
    should cover separate issues.

  111. 116 jezebel282

    George,

    “INTERESTING that JEZE notes there are interrelationships, which
    should cover separate issues.”

    Give it a rest, willya?

  112. 117 Rockannand

    George, do you ever read what you write?

    The topic i thought here is Shakespeare and what exactly Harkins and the puppeteers behind the scenes are trying to orchestrate. All these other actions regarding taxes and fees is because they have no answer to the revenue problem. Just like the bums in Washington. No difference, but Shakespeare is different because there are deeds and agreements and State of CT EPA laws that prevent taking a public property and turning it into a Sports Complex.

    You stop this brazen behavior that you all complain about on this blog one issue at a time. What SaveStratford did is a victory for the people over the town officials. We intend to do the same thing with the theatre and the White House.

    If you have a real path towards stopping the $13mm in bonds or increased sewer fees, i’m all ears.

  113. 118 1george1

    If you have a real path towards stopping the $13mm in bonds
    or increased sewer fees, i’m all ears.

    REBUT:
    At 4:50 with you 1 foot out the door, & me not able to post
    specifics of ways to do it the LAST NIGHT BEFORE BUDGET
    can be STOPPED?

    What SaveStratford did is a victory for people over town officials.
    REBUT:
    * ARI Technology actually helps consolidate treated grounds.

    You stop this brazen behavior.
    REBUT:
    Did you stomp your foot when you wrote that?

    that you all complain about on this blog one issue at a time.
    REBUT:
    See JEZE – You’re not the only one I fluster.

    The topic i thought here is Shakespeare and what exactly
    Harkins and the puppeteers behind the scenes are trying to orchestrate. All these other actions regarding taxes and fees is because they have no answer to the revenue problem. Just like the bums in Washington. No difference, but Shakespeare is different because there are deeds and agreements and State of CT EPA laws that prevent taking a public property and turning it into a Sports Complex.

  114. 119 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “If you have a real path towards stopping the $13mm in bonds or increased sewer fees, i’m all ears.”

    My fear was that the Council/mayor would use supporters of the theater to hide behind another $13 million non-debated expenditure for pet projects.

  115. 120 1george1

    Per usual, they had a group all worked up about issues they
    didn’t care about, being Shakespeare / White House,

    They got Free Passes in
    I MOVED these – The rest are rleated / relevant:


    They are going to work on the WHITE HOUSE.
    CATALANO raised $ 14,000 in 1 day. Together with trade offs in
    cross marketing, In August Shakepeare will have a 3 day professional production.

    CATALANO deserves PROPS.
    There are certain trade offs and actions / inactions … but
    it appears MR. CATALANO pulled some rabbits outta his butt.


    Stratford has a NEW political star:
    Wali Kadeem’s son, absolutely stole the night.


    A few seniors were exceptionally effective about a drainage
    issue, and it’s a shame I didn’t have time to reference TAX
    PRIORITIES and devastating effect on low/fixed/mid oncome.

  116. 121 Rockannand

    Its funny how two people at the same event have two TOTALLY different perspectives on what went down. I don’t know who “gets it” less George, you are the council. Since you have been absolutely CLEAR that “Shakespeare IS NOT MY ISSUE”, why don’t you just sit this one out and let the real proponents speak for THEIR cause.

    God you are infuriating to the very people who could be on your side.

  117. 122 1george1

    A couple days ago, I predicted to Henry that if they
    were smart, they would steal the ideas I and Mihaley
    laid out …… that the Theater is a no brainer

    If I had control of the Marketing the people would get
    a fair portion of the revenue stream. The Development
    Ordinance HANDED them the cream of the NON PROFIT
    revenues to be steered and stolen.

  118. 123 1george1

    PYRRHIC VICTORY – ROCK – You won the White House, being fixed.
    You will get the Shakespeare Theater opened.

    They passed COUNCIL ORDINANCE giving MAYOR’S REDEVELOPMENT
    COMMISSION to CONTROL all AGREEMENTS.

    CATALANO and CITIZENS do the WORK.
    They STEAL the PROFITS.

    You are a complete and total FOOL!

    They played you and OSNA & supporters to prove it’s a HOME RUN.
    You & your people proved viability.
    Mihaley showed break even worse case scenario.
    I showed multiple cash cows.

    I warned you all and you ran head over heals getting suckers.

    It’s TOM SAWYER and the WHITE PICKET FENCE.
    He got paid.
    Others did the work.
    And you helped LEAD people who had faith that you and others
    KNEW what you were doing….
    What a complete and total FOOL!

    HUBRIS! ARROGANCE.

    Catalano busted his butt & will get an open Theater with minimal
    financial benefit to the town General FUND but everything to the
    LAWYERS and PARTY HACKS.
    I know someone who knows where a couple insiders go ….
    They were LAUGHING AT YOU!!

  119. 124 1george1

    Any wonder why they use Jason to introduce their dirty work.
    If you were there tonight, you were likely gone by the time they
    passed the Mayor’s Development Commission.

    By Thursday, it’s likely you can watch the LINK about the Meeting.
    Jeze predicted it would be late in the meeting, but it wasn’t the
    BOND …. it was the right to legally skim & steer money from any of
    the associated Contracts (unspoken: IT INCLUDED SHAKESPEARE)

  120. 125 cstratct

    George,

    I have probably been more complimentary than most with respect to your past ideas and comments, even though I don’t agree with most of it. But you really do need to take a step back and gain some perspective. The “ideas” you and Mihaley have discussed have been put forth several times over the last few years and you are not solely responsible for every idea that comes forth regarding the revitalization of the theatre. No one is “stealing” your ideas because they are not yours alone. We all have our thoughts about the best ways to get the theatre back up and running and how to promote it. All these ideas intersect at certain points and no one can lay claim to being solely responsible for them. Accusing others of hubris and arrogance does not further your cause and simply alienates you even more. Several of your recent posts had nothing to do with the theatre, despite your protests and claims. Just take a step back for a moment and decompress. There are moments when your thoughts are helpful, but right now you’re working against yourself.

  121. 126 1george1

    CHRIS –
    “OSNA & supporters to prove it’s a HOME RUN.
    You & your people proved viability.”

    It may NOT have read as giving EVERYONE their proper credit,
    but it was writen ABOVE Mihaley & myself about proving that
    Shakespeare is more than VIABLE.

    ===

    So Chris, I will move this to my string.

    You completely misunderstood my intent.
    Yet, you will not be the first, not the last to do so.

  122. 127 1george1

    I collected 70 total signatures via other people I know.

    The above post to Chris left the introduction & the final lines
    Everything in between was moved to the CONSPIRACY NUT
    STRING….

    There are certain aspects of “my ideas” which appear to have used
    in a behind closed door deal, from my interpretation of facts.
    Certain FACTS & CONTEXT most readers will never know and some will
    intentionally misconstrue for self benefit or not being informed or care
    about whole truth.

    I hope I’m wrong about the CONTRACTS control. (especially Theater $$
    & the Public or steered?)
    I suspect Jeze & even Chris might suspect the worse, like I have?

  123. 128 stfdprofessor1

    “why don’t you just sit this one out and let the real proponents speak for THEIR cause”

    Rockannand, He can’t help himself, it’s all about HIM.

  124. 129 stfdprofessor1

    “I so advised / warned certain RALLY LEADERS in ADVANCE.”

    “I’ve contended there are FEDERAL & STATE plans”

    “I questioned RALLY LEADERS in ADVANCE of the WISDOM”

    “I thrive on legitimate criticism.”

    “I attempt to maintain public issues debates”

    “I honestly believe an ENDOWMENT and PROFITS to GENERAL FUNDS
    can not just repay all past costs,”

    “I believe a fall and spring 1 or 2 week runs of 2 to 3 plays can make
    the Stratford Shakespeare Theater the destination…”

    “So I show how George Lucas and Disney had professional
    foresight and a plan for exceptional revenue ….”

    “I showed analogous situations where Disney paid $ 4 BILLION for
    5,000 Marvel characters and the name recognized BRAND.”

    “I pointed out how George Lucas’s Star Wars BRAND and characters
    created $ 20 Billion in Licensing & Merchandising SALES.”

    “I intentionally antagonize those who critiize me”

    “I have heard rumblings to that effect.”

    “I appreciate the possibilities of ancillary revenues, branding and increased traffic flow.”

    “A couple days ago, I predicted to Henry that if they were smart, they would steal the ideas I and Mihaley laid out”

    “If I had control of the Marketing the people would get a fair portion of the revenue stream.”

    “I warned you all and you ran head over heals getting suckers.”

    “I collected 70 total signatures via other people I know.”

    IF IT WASN”T SO DAMN FRUSTERATING IT WOULD BE SAD!

  125. 130 1george1

    Please correct me on the proper & appropriate pronoun and a
    better or more aesthetically pleasing way to phrase postings?

    It occurred to some people that “The Professor & ROCK both
    appeared about the same time.”

    Balance moved to other string

  126. 131 jezebel282

    EDITOR’S WARNING!

    This topic is about the Shakespeare Theater. In an effort to be fair…again… posters are warned that it is NOT about George Mulligan. Although we would rather not do so, posters (Are you reading this, George?) who simply use keywords like quotes from Shakespeare plays, character references, other obvious maneuvers in hopes of not being moved or continue to use derogatory terms for other posters will be suspended from this site for two weeks.

    Enough already. This is the only warning that will be issued.

    Now, does anyone have anything to say about the Theater? Maybe someone has a pro forma business plan they would like to post?

  127. 132 1george1

    Hypothetically: Suppose a series of contracts for Acts and Revenue specifically related to the Stratford Shakespeare Theater grounds
    and rights were captured entirely by the Redevelopment Ordinace.

    Hypothetically there were vehicles for steering revenues:
    A) to benefitting improvements and performances directly related
    to making the theater viable and healthy?
    B) to politically related or connected “for profit” organizations with
    or without Public Bid, with insufficient revenue share necessitated
    to maintaining vitality of the theater?

    Could this potentially & effectually sabotage the Shakespeare Theater?

    Does this qualify as a relevant and related post?

  128. 133 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    You keep calling for a pro forma business plan as if someone is supposed to simply offer one up free of charge. You obviously know what it takes to develop a worthwhile and useful pro forma business plan, so I have to ask, do you expect a pro forma business plan to be provided free of charge for the Shakespeare Theatre?

    For the sake of argument below are some recent pro formas for different performing arts venues. All are useful examples and might provide some guidance for the Shakespeare Theatre, but I’m very confident that every one of these was part of a paid consultancy. So why should Stratford be any different? As I stated earlier, it appears that ACG has or will be providing the cost estimates and revenue projections you so eagerly insist upon seeing. Whether those documents will be released for public review is, I suppose, up to the parties involved in the transaction. I would be very interested in seeing the documents as well, however development of this material doesn’t happen overnight.

    Here is one prepared for the Greensboro (NC) Performing Arts Center:

    http://gpac2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/AMS_report_to_Council_051512.pdf

    Here is one for the Upper West Arts Center in Buffalo, NY:

    http://alleyway.com/pdf/UpW/BusinessPlan.pdf

    Here is another for Center for the Arts in Bel Air, MD:

    http://www.centerfortheartsharford.com/media/pdf/Bus%20plan+10-09.pdf

    Perhaps these will tide you over until the Shakespeare Theatre materials are released. At the very least they will provide some examples and things to consider.

  129. 134 cstratct

    Here are a couple more, a bit older perhaps but still relevant:

    Durham Arts Center (2003)

    http://www.durhamnc.gov/departments/eed/pdf/events_center02.pdf

    Community Arts Center, Pagosa Springs, Colorado

    http://www.townofpagosasprings.com/vertical/sites/%7B175F1D4C-10BE-47AA-AF3E-C1BCDE2446A6%7D/uploads/%7B4F4CD4CA-FE88-478E-B789-390906BB2F6F%7D.PDF

    The Colorado assessment was prepared by Arts Consulting Group, which might give you some indication of what can be expected for the Shakespeare Theatre.

    Just one other thing to consider for those who argue the theatre should be demolished. Many communities throughout the country have built performing arts facilities over the past decade, spending millions of dollars to develop those facilities from the ground up. Stratford doesn’t have to build a building as one already exists. In many ways, Stratford is already ahead of the game. To destroy something that so many other communities see as a valuable asset and invest significant resources to obtain would not only be short-sighted, it would set the town back instead of moving it forward.

  130. 135 jezebel282

    CS,

    “You keep calling for a pro forma business plan”
    Ahh, good. You noticed.

    “you expect a pro forma business plan to be provided free of charge for the Shakespeare Theatre?”

    Actually…yes. Yes I do. The theater has been closed for 30 years. Volunteers and supporters have donated thousands of hours of effort and money to getting this theater back. Surely someone has the ability to sit down and write a business plan? That effort would be of far greater value than spending weekends with garbage bags cleaning up the property.

    It is not a difficult argument to make that not a lot of successful ventures occur without some planning. It seems to me that other than getting some money from the taxpayer and a few donations to get the building renovated there is not much “what’s next” that has been discussed. Does anyone even know how much it costs (after renovation) to open the building for a performance? How much does it cost to turn on the lights? Flush the toilets? Pay ticket takers and ushers? Heat the building? Insure the building? Maybe operate an office in the building?

    I know these items do not have the flash or excitement of talking about stars on stage and people flocking to see them. It’s not even as exciting as talking about the value of arts to humanity. But unless you do the boring things, the exciting things will never happen.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What would be beautiful to me would be to scroll down a P&L and see a big black number at the bottom instead of a red one.

  131. 136 1george1

    If a dynamic and viable pro forma business plan for the Theater
    were laid out, what’s the possibility it would not be stolen?

    Is there a BID PROCESS and PUBLIC FORUM for non political way
    to protect the PUBLIC INTERESTS, especially most volunteers to
    have maximum realistic revenue steered appropriately?

  132. 137 jezebel282

    George,

    “what’s the possibility it would not be stolen?”

    WTF are you talking about? There is no propriety knowledge, process or technology in a business plan for a theater.

    No wait. Don’t answer that! I’m not traveling to your planet today.

  133. 138 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    No offense, but breaking up my sentences to change the intent is really beneath you. I’m frankly surprised that you expect the people who have the expertise and data needed to prepare these documents to provide their services and information free of charge. This is a lot of work, as I’m sure you are aware, and your expectations are unrealistic. Were everyone to follow your line of thinking, many of the not-for-profits in existence today (not just arts and cultural organizations but health and human services, education, and many other sectors) would not exist and our society would be much worse off.

    Do you honestly believe that anyone can simply sit down and write a business plan? I know you know better than that. And while I agree that very few, if any, successful business ventures were created without some planning, you talk as if none of this is happening. Much of what you keep calling for will be provided in the materials developed by ACG. You may not be privy to those documents but I’m pretty certain that these issues will be addressed through their work.

    While you keep writing as though no one supporting the revitalization is interested in the nuts and bolts needed to bring about the realization of this project, I know for a fact that is not the case. There are many, many people in the arts and cultural sector for whom the primary focus is developing successful business strategies so that these types of projects can flourish. That is their expertise, and while the final on-stage product may provide enjoyment for many, their fulfillment comes from knowing they helped to build a successful and sustainable organization. They take pride in that work just as you take pride in your work. So your ongoing implication that those associated with this effort don’t talk (or want to talk) about the financial and operational aspects is false.

    I’m sure you would agree that proper planning is just that, proper. It takes time, expertise and yes, money.

    Finally, I’m absolutely certain that anyone associated with any project would take joy in seeing “a big black number at the bottom (of a P&L) instead of a red one.” No one wants to see deficits and no one wants a project to fail. Well at least not those supporting the effort. We already know what the other side thinks and how they set out to sabotage the project. The question now is what side do you want to be on?

  134. 139 cstratct

    George,

    I have to agree with Jezebel to some extent. As you can see from my earlier post, many of these types of planning documents are made available publicly and are accessible via the internet. Although I disagree with Jezebel from the standpoint that there is proprietary knowledge and information consultants bring to these types of projects, the idea that the final product would be “stolen” is not rational. Once the consultants finish the work, I hope that work will be made available for everyone to see. But that planning will be unique to the project, and no one but the consultants will be able to take credit (or blame, as is sometimes the case) for the assumptions and projections made in the final report. I think you need to look more carefully at how many town-owned facilities work in other areas. Admissions revenue does not go back into the town general fund. The not-for-profit entities that operate the facilities have their own budgets, generate their own revenue and pay their own expenses. There may be fees paid by the organization to the municipality and obviously the individuals working in the facility pay income taxes, but the revenue you appear to be referring to would be part of the earned revenue of the entity operating the facility, not going directly into the general fund.

  135. 140 jezebel282

    CS,

    I am not sure we are agreeing or disagreeing.

    I do think, however, that the original investors (us taxpayers) should have an exit plan that includes paying back the investment capital plus interest (the bonds) over some period of time. Whether it is run like our other enterprise funds and looted by politicians or a completely separate entity that does not require taxpayer funding follows the approval of a plan.

    As for anything proprietary in ACG product, I will remind you that we (taxpayers) are paying for the product and after it is delivered it should be public domain.

    And yes, I do believe someone can simply sit down and write a coherent business plan. Ask any VC fund how many business plans come in every single day.

  136. 141 1george1

    please go to upgrade – >

  137. 142 blodgettave

    Speaking of non-profit status for the theater, when can we expect this to happen? Perhaps I’m out of the loop, but anyone know the status on that? The ducks have been in a row and ready to go for a while now….I just can’t figure out why it’s not happened yet.

  138. 143 jezebel282

    blodgettave,

    To be honest, I wouldn’t even know who to ask. Is there anyone in charge?

  139. 144 jezebel282

    Follow up for blodgettave :

    From Council minutes of 12 March 2012

    Sponsored by Hon. Matthew P. Catalano Councilman 3rd
    WHEREAS; The Town has engaged the services of Arts Consulting Group Inc. to engage in
    feasibility and long range planning for the future of the Festival theater, it has been recognized as
    we move forward the need to create a Not for Profit partnership with the Town at the location.
    WHEREAS; Said Not for Profit needs to be in place in order to move into the Capital Improvement
    Fundraising portion of the ACG’s work.
    WHEREAS; The Town or other sponsor can be receiver for said fundraising until such Not for
    Profit is established under existing 501c3 regulations.
    BE IT RESOLVED; That the Stratford Town Council designate the Festival Theater property,
    inclusive, as “The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” and the
    process be initiated to create said Not for Profit.
    A MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. CATALANO SECONDED BY MR. SANTI TO APPROVE
    THE FOREGOING RESOLUTION. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

    My suggestion would be to grab the next councilperson you see and ask one of them.

    There is also someone named Larry Ciccarelli who is supposed to be the Chairman of the Straford Center for the Arts (SCA) Task Force. I can find no information about that effort or organization. There are 83 other organizations that are listed by the IRS in Stratford and 200+ that have filed Form 990-N. Not that one though.

  140. If it is the same Larry… He owns a house near me, but moved to Milford. Currently renting out the Stratford house. He has/had an accounting Business.

  141. More info…

    Mr. Ciccarelli is the finance chair for a CT regional theater (Square One Theater – Stratford, CT).

    Is anyone familiar with him? Does he have any ties with Harkins?

    Who appointed him Chairman for SCA task force?

  142. 147 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    I think we disagree on certain aspects. First, the town still owns the property, and as the owner is responsible for the maintenance of that property. So I don’t agree with your talk of exit strategies and pay back, as this would be exactly what you have argued against when it comes to other town-owned assets. An exit strategy would be selling off the property (which as has been pointed out many times can’t be done without it reverting back to state ownership) to re-coup the investment capital and interest. This is why I reiterate that writing a pro forma business plan for a not-for-profit organization that would operate the facility cannot be done by anyone. There are a lot of potential revenue streams (both earned and contributed), as well as a myriad of expenses that must be considered. An understanding of presenting and producing (if the organization plans to create productions) is vitally important to the cost and revenue projections, along with occupancy costs and a variety of other factors unique to theatrical production.

    It is not even clear at this point what the relationship between the town and the not-for-profit that will operate and program the theatre will be. Will the town rent the facility to the organization? Will the town contract with the organization to produce on behalf of the town? As to blodgettave’s questions, although the ducks may have been in a row and ready to go, the process for creating a not-for-profit and getting 501(c)3 status is a detailed process that takes time. Even the most aggressive attempt to complete the paperwork and obtain not-for-profit status can take months, and that is if every i is dotted and t is crossed the first time around.

    Unfortunately this is also where the mayor and the town council can make things more difficult. If those entities choose to throw up road blocks to the not-for-profit and the relationship is undermined, the organization won’t matter. Let’s hope the mayor and the town council members opposed to the revitalization come around.

  143. 148 1george1

    POSTED on the PATCH:

    Councilman Matt Catalano, Arts Commission Ed Goodrich, OSNA
    President Henry Bruce, neighbor Carol Lockshire were among the
    leaders deserving credit on getting some public involved & passionate
    about the Shakespeare Theater.

    There are more like Christine, Attila, Arianna, Orna, and many others
    who wrote, marched, spoke, and worked to open the Theaters.

    I believe the Theater can be a create “change of pace something
    different and FUN to do.”

    Entertainment with quality content are capable of massive revenue.

    People against Shakespeare & Theater & Historic have their priorities
    and right to their opinion.

    I support Aamir Kadeem’s reasoning, passion, enthusiasm, & vision.
    (please watch the Public Forum Link or TV from June 11)

    It’s easier to destroy than to build.
    It’s even easier to sabotage.
    And …. even honest efforts fail …. although for a change,
    wouldn’t it be nice IF …

  144. 149 jezebel282

    CS,

    Sometimes you just mystify me.

    “501(c)3 status is a detailed process that takes time. Even the most aggressive attempt to complete the paperwork and obtain not-for-profit status can take months, and that is if every i is dotted and t is crossed the first time around.”
    Have you looked?
    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1023.pdf

    Marcia Stewart’s PYE managed to obtain 501(c)3 status. Did she have a huge staff to help her? So did the Lordship Fathers Club, the Stratford Cat Project Inc., the Square One Theatre Company, the Stratford High School Music Parent Association, Women Who Suffer in Silence (writing my check now), the Connecticut Model Airplane Club Inc., et al.

    What makes you think this is difficult? Because a balance sheet is required?

    I don’t intend to degrade your comment, but you make the idea of writing down numbers seem like a mission to the moon.

    “An exit strategy would be selling off the property”
    Not at all. Who said that? The are many varieties of exit plans. My preference is as I have stated; paying back the original capital investment with the interest on our debt service (you know, the cost of the bonds) over a period of time. That seems merely fair and equitable.

    As far as ownership of the property goes that is the subject of negotiation. It can be leased or sold. The lease could be as little as $1/year. The sale price can be the same. Or we can use the Harkins method of taxpayer income extraction and charge “Land use fees”.

    My preference would be that the Town have little or nothing to do with the theater at all once it is operational. We have had enough painful experience with the management capabilities of the mayor/council.

    Now if only someone were in charge of getting things going for the theater…..

  145. 150 jezebel282

    Jim,

    “Is anyone familiar with him? Does he have any ties with Harkins?”

    Maybe you can get a picture of him and we can put it on milk cartons?

  146. “Maybe you can get a picture of him and we can put it on milk cartons?”

    Here it is…
    http://worshiptechnologiesgroup.com/about-us/meet-the-group

    Start making those milk cartons “jez”!

  147. 152 sudds

    “As far as ownership of the property goes that is the subject of negotiation. It can be leased or sold. The lease could be as little as $1/year.”

    If only we could find an organization with a drama/opera school (drama.yale.edu) and the cash available to fix it up (www.yale.edu/investments/) a staff of knowledgeable grant writers (www.yale.edu/grants/) and perhaps a few people with a decent business acumen (mba.yale.edu/)!!!

    But the REAL story hear is that while turning over the keys to Yale might get the theater up and running… it would also shut out the locals who’s true agenda entails making certain that they can use it as they see fit… while we taxpayers get the bill for any loses they may rack-up!!!

  148. 153 jezebel282

    Jim,

    “Start making those milk cartons “jez”!”

    Hmmm…maybe he is exactly what they need. They didn’t have a prayer before….

  149. 154 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    As far as mystification goes, I feel the same about you sometimes. There are certain issues you do your homework on and others where you remain (either by design or indifference) uninformed. You bring up these organizations but don’t provide any background. Allow me fill to in some blanks: Lordship Fathers Club was founded in 1947, the ruling date by the IRS was July 2007. They operated for many, many years without filing for 501(c)3, at least according to IRS records. The Stratford Cat Project was faster, as the organization was formed in 2001 and the IRS ruling date was June, 2003. CT Model Airplane Club, the IRS ruling date is listed as July 2002, but their website shows they were in existence at least since 1998, and I’m guessing they existed prior to that. I can’t even find an EIN for the Stratford HS Music Parent Association, which means that is either not their legal name or they are not registered as a 501(c)3 at this time. So my point stands, preparing and submitting material to the IRS for a ruling on 501(c)3 status is not something that happens overnight.

    And for what it’s worth, a balance sheet isn’t required for 501(c)3 status.

    Finally, for someone who consistently demands information and data that is reliable and useful, I would suspect you would be among the first to take issue with assumptions that seemed outlandish or could not be supported with reliable data. Researching that information takes time and effort, not to mention knowing where to look and what comparable information is useful in preparing the assumptions that will be laid out in the plan.

    I’m just surprised at your suggestion of how easy you think all this is when launching a successful enterprise such as this is based on thoughtful consideration, useful data and knowledge that is not simply expressed through an excel worksheet.

  150. 155 cstratct

    Sudds,

    This would never happen. Yale would not take over the theatre, not because it is not viable, but because they already have a venue and the university will continue to invest in those activities that it has already established. And can you provide any proof to your allegations that the people supporting the revitalization are doing so only because their “true agenda entails making certain that they can use it as they see fit?” You have made this accusation time and time again but have yet to provide any proof that anyone related to the current efforts is doing so in order to benefit financially or otherwise.

  151. 156 jezebel282

    CS,

    I actually read the application. It is not that difficult. (Page 10 for Balance Sheet) The examples given were meant to be illustrative. There seems to be a stream of excuses about filing anything or even beginning to do actual financial work. The IRS is pretty much asking for “best guesses”.

    “If in existence less than 5 years, complete the statement for each year in existence and provide projections of your likely revenues and expenses based on a reasonable and good faith estimate of your future finances
    for a total of:
    a. Three years of financial information if you have not
    completed one tax year, or”

    You can enter “None” if there aren’t any.

    But then again, if you can’t even provide accurate contact information, I suppose there is a real problem there.

    “Finally, for someone who consistently demands information and data that is reliable and useful, I would suspect you would be among the first to take issue with assumptions that seemed outlandish or could not be supported with reliable data.”

    Not at all. Are you misreading my comments on purpose? The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” is apparently an organization that only exists in the Council minutes. Obviously there are no prior data to rely upon. What I am asking is that someone sit down and work through the process on paper.

    As I have previously stated, I understand this is an emotional issue for many people. I am simply asking for more than wishful thinking. There must be a plan and it must be (at least) reasonable. If you have no idea what it costs to turn on the lights or flush the toilet how can you propose that any person or organization contribute to it?

    But let me make this a bit simpler: Although you may point to well organized and well funded theatrical venues throughout the world, this particular venue does not have such a history. I am merely asking anyone (not just you) to make the financial case for the theater and maybe even make the case for an ongoing enterprise.

    Other than that we can simply talk about how important the arts are to American life.

  152. 157 sudds

    “I am merely asking anyone (not just you) to make the financial case for the theater and maybe even make the case for an ongoing enterprise.”

    “ACCOUNTING IS THE LANGUAGE OF BUSINESS”

    I don’t think anyone has ever been issued a grant by writing “because we want a place to put on shows” on a piece of paper!!!

  153. 158 sudds

    “If you have no idea what it costs to turn on the lights or flush the toilet how can you propose that any person or organization contribute to it?”

    Who needs contributions when you are trying to get the taxpayers to fund your little hobby???

  154. 159 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    And my primary point is that making the financial case for a sustainable entity (both the theatre itself and the entity in charge of operating it) is not something that can be achieved by simply scribbling some numbers on an accounting ledger. If this is to be done the right way (as opposed to the “Andy Hardy Economics” which I oppose as well) and the revitalization is to be successful and sustainable, a thorough, reliable and well-documented business plan and strategy must be prepared and implemented. Throwing out numbers for the sake of discussion and argument will only lead to a continuation of the pettiness that has plagued the efforts of the current group who are attempting to do this the right way. Considering how things have happened in the past with respect to any number of issues in Stratford, doesn’t this seem like a more prudent course of action?

  155. 160 cstratct

    “Are you misreading my comments on purpose? The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” is apparently an organization that only exists in the Council minutes.”

    I don’t believe I am misreading your comments. If I have read the council minutes correctly (“BE IT RESOLVED; That the Stratford Town Council designate the Festival Theater property, inclusive, as “The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” and the process be initiated to create said Not for Profit.”) this resolution simply states that the property be renamed and the process for creating the not-for-profit entity that will be engaged to operate the facility will begin. The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” is simply the new name of the property. The not-for-profit organization created to operate the facility is now in the works. Are you reading something that I am not?

  156. 161 Rockannand

    Hey Sudds read this for “the case” for performing arts. This report/study is for more authoritative than any of the comments I have read here.
    (PS: Its the CTPost too … front page … do don’t try to dismiss it)
    http://www.ctpost.com/default/article/Report-Arts-big-business-in-Fairfield-County-3632384.php

  157. 162 jezebel282

    CS,

    “a thorough, reliable and well-documented business plan and strategy must be prepared and implemented.”

    Okie Dokie. Let’s just wait until one appears. Then we can decide whether or not to support this effort and expenditure.

  158. 163 Rockannand

    The level of misinformation in this thread is mind boggling. At the risk of having the Stalker, the man with all the answers and no solutions, spew his venom, here goes with a few tid-bits of facts:

    > The study in process with Arts Consulting has been ongoing for 2+ years.
    > The phase 3 report presented to the Council and interested public on 4/12 spelled out everything.
    > The Council officially designated the former Shakespeare American Festival, “The STratford Center for the Arts (SCA)” and charged Larry to file for 501c3 status for the new nonprofit entity.
    > By definition SUDDS, a 501c3 corp CANNOT use public funds for its programming. The SCA sinks or swims on its ability to fund-raise and solicit federal and state grants
    > Currently the Mayor’s office – specifically Marc DiIllon is the project leader. That should explain a ton to all of you.
    > Other than Harkins pathetic editorial on May 31st in the Star, none of the players mentioned here or in the SCA Task Force have done anything to inform the public of what’s going on. To coin a popular phrase for this situatiopn, “There is no there there.”
    > Its not about Shakespeare … its about performing arts, so stop saying that supporters want this for SHakespeare plays. WE DON’T. That was 5 years ago … not now.
    > One of the top priorities in the coming months is the hiring of an exec director who would drive all the stuff you all have been ranting about over the past week – detailed fin’l plans, programing for 2013, fund-raising, etc

    (and yes George there actually ARE some people who know a little more than you do about things that go on in this town)

  159. 164 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “none of the players mentioned here or in the SCA Task Force have done anything to inform the public of what’s going on.”

    THANK YOU!

    Let’s us know if something happens.

  160. 165 Rockannand

    Jez, not a matter of if, just when. Most of the important stuff is suppose to happen now through October. Need to remove the bottleneck in Town Hall first.

  161. 166 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    Would you prefer an expenditure of all funds prior to the completion of ACG’s work which will include the information you are seeking?

    By the way Rockannand, the report you’re referencing is derived from the Americans for the Arts Arts and Economic Prosperity IV report that was released last week. AFTA prepares these local reports, and the local reports are created using the same data compiled for the national reports. The national report is the one I cited back in my post from June 8th. If someone wanted to get some projections on estimated economic impact he/she can use the AFTA economic impact calculator:

    (http://www.americansforthearts.org/information_services/research/services/economic_impact/iv/calculator.html)

    To whet Jezebel’s appetite, here are some numbers to ponder:

    Based on a community population range of 50,000-99,999, estimated expenditures of $5M, and attendance of 50,000 people, the calculator estimates a total industry impact of more than $6M, more than 200 FTE jobs, $4.8M in household income, over $225,000 in local government revenue and more than $260,00 in state government revenue.

  162. 167 1george1

    JEZE: My preference is as I have stated; paying back the original capital investment with the interest on our debt service (you know, the cost of the bonds) over a period of time. That seems merely fair and equitable.

    GEO: 100% AGREED. Also repay the PUBLIC MONEY USES to REPAIR
    and MAINTAIN the Theater, White House, and grounds (parking lot)

    .

    CHRIS: The Stratford Center for the Arts at The American Shakespeare Festival” is simply the new name of the property. The not-for-profit organization created to operate the facility is now in the works. Are you reading something that I am not?

    GEO: I was under the impression the NON PROFIT was done in the past.
    Either way, it raises questions?

    .

    ROCK: CTPost too … front page

    GEO: Which bloggers do not believe the CT POST is hooked up with
    people who have an agenda, which has hurt Stratford values & taxes,
    and who feed off the Public trough?

    Who honestly believes there are not timetables nor plans related to
    economy to scale using infrastructure, natural resources, and assets
    few municpalities could match with simple & intelligent improvement
    including maximizing a WORLD BRAND like STRATFORD SHAKESPEARE?

    .

    SUDDS: “ACCOUNTING IS THE LANGUAGE OF BUSINESS”

    .

    GEO: Would embezzling be the language of political connections?
    D. C. suburbs are now the richest in the USA. When most people
    became poorer from 1999 to present, who got R icher. I mean far,
    far richer.

    .

    jimravis:

    Mr. Ciccarelli is the finance chair for a CT regional theater
    (Square One Theater – Stratford, CT). Then showed link
    to “worshoptechnologies.”

    .

    GEO: Political connections abound. August flash flood wiped out
    many downtown business, because flood gates weren’t accessed.
    Theater was only company with Flood insurance.
    Political connections exist to core stratford powers.

    GEO SUMMARY: Subplots abound if there were only play right
    play writes?

  163. 168 jezebel282

    CS,

    As I said, I’ll just wait until a report appears. That way neither of us have to argue about hypotheticals.

    Until then, I really have no opinion on this subject.

  164. 169 1george1

    comment on upgrade 3.0

  165. 170 sudds

    Where do you expect patrons of the theater to spend their money will in Stratford?

    Has anyone ever been to a show in Stamford???

    I have! And I can tell you that the restaurants, bars, etc are all within EASY walking distance to the theaters!!! Our restaurants are 0.7 miles away… and (when exiting the highway) in the opposite direction of the theater.

    And how about the Playbill for shows in Stamford? Theirs has numerous multi-billion dollar corporations as patrons. Ours will have 27 different pizza places.

  166. 171 1george1

    Sudds, Dialectics exist in Business, related to opportunities.

    The Shakespeare Theater is a done deal. Awaiting certain info
    related to coming attractions will be self evident.

    Notice that Cumberland farms is EXPANDING capacity at # 32,
    while I-95 Ramps to/from Milford are being added @ # 33?

    There are for sale signs along Ferry Boulevard where Hotel was
    in the EPA – S R I just beyond the proposed Hotel Marina behind
    Umberti’s? (I have copies of those)

    Hard’s corner will be changing name (again) in October. A certain
    (upscale) steak house backed out of buying a few years ago.

    Same people who own Jerry’s Shakespeare Pizza own the Duchess
    and there is an ex-gas station vacant next to Duchess.

    Blue sky and Blue goose aren’t all that far from the Theater.

    The downtown development center is being phased in with the
    completion of Moses wheeler Bridge, # 33 ramps, ARI @ Raybestos
    softball field & Contract Plating per new Brownfield Ordinance
    and June 12 & 26 town meetings. PW + FROG POND + (closing)
    Ashcroft will be primed for Redevelopment.

    The Phases of the Theater directly relate to timetable of other items
    including blitzkrieg on AVCO + AIRPORT, with surprise coming related
    to Pleasue Beach and Long Beach West.

    Even the CT POST does a front page story about the economic benefit
    from the ARTS?
    When have they E V E R reported positive news for the people of
    Stratford?

  167. 172 jezebel282

    George,

    “Same people who own Jerry’s Shakespeare Pizza own the Duchess”

    OMG! Don’t tell me they will stop making Sicilian pizzas there!

  168. 173 sudds

    “OMG! Don’t tell me they will stop making Sicilian pizzas there!”

    Now THAT would actually warrant people marching on Town Hall!!!

  169. 174 blodgettave

    @Rockannand: “The study in process with Arts Consulting has been ongoing for 2+ years.”

    In the interest of accuracy, the process with Arts Consulting Group has been ongoing for closer to a year and a half, if that.

  170. Sudds ~ would you try being a little positive for once????? There IS an economic benefit to be gained by Stratford. There IS job potential for the people of Stratford and once the current administration – Town Council and the Mayor – take their brains back from Lou DeCilio, et al, maybe things can start happening!

    Someone really needs to break up his clique!

  171. 176 sudds

    “Sudds ~ would you try being a little positive for once???”

    PCS… I want it open just as much as anyone else… I just think that we have had our own Shakespearean play acting out here in Stratford for the last few DECADES.

    Only in our case the Montaues are the power-hungry politicians who have shown nothing but ineptitude, and the

  172. 177 sudds

    Capulets are the local volunteers who want us to believe tha they can run the theater even though they can’t prepare a simple business plan!!!

    Hence the reason I support the notion of taking control away from both of these “families”, and instead putting it into the hands of a viable non-profit organization that can take control and run the theater properly!!!

    PS… how about if you and I are the “star-crossed” lovers???

  173. 178 1george1

    Good analogy Sudds.

    Please see Upgrade 3.0 ->

  174. 179 Rockannand

    Some great on-liners here, but they only provide entertainment and nothing useful or even viable.
    First Blogettave, that 2+ years with Arts is from Arts. They were working with the town for a year before the turtles signed the contract in Nov/Dev 2010 to officially kick things off. So i was being accurate. ACG told me 3+ years, but i knocked a year off.

    It is clear to me that most here have never done a large scale capital campaign for something of this magnitude in this state. Also, other than cstratct, none have done it with performing arts. Regardless of what comes on of Harkins mouth, ACG has already concluded that what they proposed is viable and that money is there,. They just have to go through another 4-5 months of work to provide the evidence that will satisfy the developers in the RTC and Town Hall who have had designs on that property since Louis Burke imploded in 2001.

    I have said this repeatedly, READ the Phase 3 report from ACG. Its all laid out in black and white what the steps are.
    1. Establish Stratford Cebter for Performing ARts as 501c3 NFP. That was Larry C’s job and he is LATE.
    2. Establish BoD for new SCA
    3, Raise enough seed money (this year) to hire EXecutive Director
    4. ExecDir developes business plan withe SCA BoD
    5. Phase 5 of the Arts COnculting work (Q3 2012) develops capital campaign and works with ExecDir and SCA BoD to plan campaign and start raising the initial $3mm for phase 1.

    Get and read the Phase 3 study report – its all there. The problem is that we are now in phase 4 and Larry is late with his to-do’s and the Mayor’s office is the focal point for the Arts Consultants. This project now lacks adult supervision. Its mind-boggling really to think that the smartest money this town has spent in years on figuring out what to do with this property is not in the hands of people who can effectively execute.

    The public is blind to these facts and realities so it is left to the posters here to imagine and fabricate what you think should happen. If i can find the time to weed out these facts and realities to figure out what’s going on, or in the case of Phase 4 of the study work, what’s NOT going on, some of the other geniuses here can too.

  175. 180 sudds

    Sudds: “the local volunteers who want us to believe tha they can run the theater even though they can’t prepare a simple business plan!”

    Rockannand: “4. ExecDir developes business plan… Get and read the Phase 3 study report – its all there. The problem is that we are now in phase 4 and Larry is late with his to-do’s”

    Thank you for proving my point!!!

  176. 181 1george1

    Finally someone more obnoxious than MOI !

    Having typed that, ROCK is correct on many points about Shakespeare
    Theater, AGC, Phases of preparation, Experience, Public ignornance &
    apathy, Political realities, and wannabee genius (Moi? et al.) on the blog,
    and likely other points.

    When attacking me, ROCK lied, was personally abusive & cruel about
    deeeply personal priorities. I have NO ISSUE with ATTACKS about
    PUBLIC ISSUES, including LACK of conventional wisdom belief that
    what I wrote or spoke about was true.

    CONVERSELY attacking EVERYONE on this BLOG, with CHRIS being a
    possible exception, is ACCEPTABLE to ME BEING ATTACKED on this
    PUBLIC ISSUE about SHAKESPEARE.

    We are ALL IGNORANT compared to the ROCK’S OPINION of SELF.
    I conceed likely the ROCK may have SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE superior
    to all of us on THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE and some other issues.

    The ROCK did conceed a need to improve his/her knowledge of the
    players, issues, and history.

    If I believe a person has legitimate interest and ability to benefit the
    people of Stratford, I’m willing to help almost anyone, as long as they
    aren’t going out of their way to personally hurt anyone.

  177. 182 1george1

    Sorry JEZE – I meant to move to Upgrade 3.0.
    Wouldn’t you agree that I am trying?

    Yeah you can have your own connotation related to me being trying! 😉

  178. 183 cstratct

    Rockannand,

    Can you please point those of us who are interested to the location of the ACG report? Is it publicly available or does an individual have to go to town hall to get a copy?

    Having been involved at the time, I’m certain that ACG was not involved at any time in 2009 or early 2010. That would have been the time when the Hanney contract was approved (June/July 2009) by the previous town council and it wasn’t dismissed by the new town council until early 2010. I believe Blogettave and Matt may be able clarify.

    Thank you for providing the updates.

  179. 184 1george1

    Careful about proving ROCK wrong about SHAEKSPEARE and ACG
    … the “wrath of ROCK …”

    Should Chris, ROCK, PCS, Portia, each have own Blog stings?
    Chris & ROCK ligitimate authorities on SHAKESPEARE with CHRIS
    Haveing HANNEY experienc e & ROCK AGC expert.
    Rest plase see Upgrade 3.0 to be continues ….

  180. 185 Rockannand

    SUDDS … and your point was what? You said,“the local volunteers who want us to believe tha they can run the theater even though they can’t prepare a simple business plan!”

    Where do you come up with that opinion? I am not aware of a single person involved in the theatre that believes they can run it, nor have they professed that in public. Everyone I know has been watching the ACG study project closely because those steps of hiring a REAL performing arts professional director (and one with major fund-raising experience), capital campaign and bizplan are part of the project.

    Its not the volunteers or the Council or Marc Dillon’s job to prepare bizplan. Thta’s why they hired ACG and why they will hire a professional to do that. ACG could do it, but that is not the scope of their work.

    If you had some other point, i’m all ears, but i read all your posts and can only come up with that quote above.

  181. 186 Rockannand

    As far as the ACG report, i stole mine from 4/12 meeting from pile of extras and do not know frankly where they are. I will check and let you know. They should be available for the public. Ask Marc Dillon.

  182. 187 Rockannand

    PS. Theatre doors unlocked as of this afternoon. Cooler heads prevail.

  183. 188 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “They should be available for the public.”

    Frankly, I’m not sure how the discussion can move forward until citizens can access the ACG material. Online preferably and not at the usual Town rate of 50 cents per page.

  184. 189 blodgettave

    Rockannand, ACG was definitely NOT working with the town for more than 2 years. Trust me you can’t win this argument – not with me. Either you are embellishing the truth or ACG. I’m betting it wasn’t ACG telling you that bit of fantasy. Not that it matters, but you did claim you would set the record straight from the many ‘misconceptions’….just trying to ensure honesty all the way around.

  185. 190 1george1

    FYI – If a government document exists in electronic format, under FOI,
    it is available for free, within a reasonable time frame.

    While the AGC plans were developed by that company, they were paid
    for by government money.

    When a business gets paid for business or services they have to provide
    the product or service to the client. The client would likely want the
    plans in electronic format for many reasons, including storage.
    Purchasing, Finance, Arts Commission, Mayor’s & Attorney Offices,
    should all have copies of the delivered plans … I would guess.

    Normally there is supposed to be a BID PROCESS, where the HOW LONG
    can be answered definitively.

    Has this been helpful?

  186. 191 1george1

    Once the Mayor appoints the 5 members to the Development
    Commission with exclusive rights to negotiate and contract,
    anything related to business development, will they completely
    control the fate of Shakespeare Theater?

    Why not open the doors to the Theater using Tom Sawyer and
    Gambino economics, to let others do the work & skim revenue?
    I hope I’m wrong, but many supporters, including myself tout the
    Shakespeare Theater as an Economic Engine and my interpretation
    is that the real (behind closed doors – flanking good faith) intent
    of the person proposing the ordinance and who seconded it and
    who voted on it, are what the courts turn to when interpreting
    laws. (Same as Esq, Burturla opinion on Public Initiative & Right to
    Public Referendum – which Shakespeare supporters will likely want!)

    PCSperling as a paralegal could either confirm the above OR access
    someone who will confirm the importance of LEGISLATIVE PURVIEW!

  187. 192 blodgettave

    Rockannand, my apologies for being rude in my earlier post. I’m not sure what ACG’s involvement with the town 1.5 or 2+ years ago adds to the conversation, but they were not brought into the official process until the summer of 2010. At that time they were being interviewed and vetted by a selection committee as one of several theater consulting firms responding to the Shakespeare RFP, and not voted on to move the process forward until later that year.

  188. 193 Rockannand

    “At the risk of having the Stalker, the man with all the answers and no solutions, spew his venom, here goes with a few tid-bits of facts:”

    Section moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19014

    … and blogettave, i don’t know what we are arguing about if you are also a supporter. I have no reason to lie on this ACG point. The 3+ years comment came from the horses mouth, not mine. I dropped a year. If you want, off the thread, i can give you the ACG principle’s name and phone number and you can call him yourself to qualify this point. I don’t really care what the number is. All my points above are still the same and i stand by every one of them based on the people I talked to in authority and public documents I secured and read.

  189. 194 Rockannand

    Jez,
    Your last comment is absolutely correct. Further discussion cannot move much further until this task force expands. I am sure Larry C is a great guy, but task force chairman he is not. Phase 4 of the study is at least 2 months behind and having Marc Dillon as point person for ACG is … well … you know. My sense is that things are going to change for the better in the coming weeks. Here are a few questions that need answers:

    > If you read the CTPost article about the the study conducted by Cultural Alliance of Fairfield County, why is Stratford not plugged into the org? If you look at their web site, they have everything that this project needs for building the case, getting state/federal grants for the arts, etc, etc, etc.
    > Why is the task force not talking to new Director of Dept of Culture and Tourism? They have a $22mm budget to market CT as tourism destination.
    > Why is Bridgeport way ahead of Stratford in investing in the Arts to draw people to their downtown? Been to DT Bridgeport lately? They get it, our town govt does not. Bridgeport we’re talking.

    Many more questions that need answers. The problem is not Shakespeare, the theatre. Its the people making the decisions who are the obstacles to this project succeeding. Fortunately a number of “doers” have stepped forward in the past few weeks who have had it with the inaction and are forcing the action.

    The CAFC study shows that the arts means 4000+ jobs annually to the County and over $135mm in financial impact because of the arts. Given all the ranting and raving about the sewer fees increase and taxes, why aren’t more people screaming about this opportunity that Councilman Sports Complex and the anti-Arts Mayor FAIL to acknowledge and stubbornly refuse to pursue. Stop taking your orders from the RTC chair and start serving us.

    Its time to take our town back from these special interests who only seeing dollar signs for themselves and their developer buddies. The CT EPA laws, the deed of the property and the will of the people will never allow anything other than a public park and perfomring arts center on that property. So start getting with the program Mr. Mayor and Councilman Sports Complex work to secure our piece of those jobs and county and regional dollars for local businesses and tax revenues.

  190. 195 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “Its the people making the decisions who are the obstacles to this project succeeding.”
    You mean like “Team Stratford” and the inability to do anything at all with the SAEP? I hear rumors they will try again, by the way.

    “Its time to take our town back from these special interests ”
    And thus we come to the entire purpose of this blog. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

  191. 196 Rockannand

    IMagine OUR Mayor saying this about HIS town:

    Bridgeport Mayor Bill Finch said that a vigorous arts and culture community is essential to every thriving municipality.
    “The dramatic growth of the arts community in Bridgeport over the last decade has played a very significant role in the city’s renaissance,” he said in a statement. “Our nonprofit arts venues draw thousands of visitors annually, creating a positive image for the city throughout the region. We are proud of their accomplishments and we will continue our efforts, in partnership with our local arts council, to promote Bridgeport as a thriving, creative community for artists of every kind.”

    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Report-Arts-big-business-in-Fairfield-County-3632384.php#ixzz1xxpItaxT

  192. 197 shanliss

    That was a timely post, Rockannand, and the article is timely as well; I’d already forwarded it to more than a few folks. It vindicated the position of Matt and the Theatre supporters, and left the condo & strip mall crowd in the post-industrial (proverbial) dust.

    I am a frequent lurker on this blog, but recently I received an email suggesting that all of us concerned about this issue should read and consider joining in. I’d like to, but, after reading through this entire thread, I wonder if there’s more work to do and not enough time to do it, while also watching a dog chase its tail. I’m referring not to this blog but of course to the 1plus1 screeds. Some of you may be familiar with a quote from Mark Twain, cautioning about getting into an argument with a certain kind of person and getting dragged down to his level. There are probably others out there who would both read and contribute to a non-1plus1 blog about the Theatre and Town of Stratford Politics.

    As I mentioned to Britany Lyte the other evening, since every other town along the Housatonic River has had its old-boy network of cronyism and corruption publicly exposed, it might be Stratford’s time in the sun, so to speak. But that only happens when somebody gets the goods, either with reportorial sleuthing or, like the Watergate boys whose 40th anniversary we’re celebrating this week, somebody drops a dime and someone gets lucky, as they did. These days it would be a leaked email from the secretary in a backroom dealer’s office. Where is it? Until then it’s merely finger pointing. Meanwhile the work of theatre volunteers, and others on the paperwork side of support, can and must continue. Electronically, links to real information, such as IRS filings, and other documents (how about someone find documents pertaining to the deed/transfer of the property from the State to the Town back in ’05?) are about the best thing here, along with the thoughtful disagreements about how ‘hard’ must the planning of non-profit cultural enterprises such as the Center for the Arts really be, in black & white, etc.

    Please, please give us a well-moderated blog! If my post is too lengthy, by all means cut away. Faulkner said sometimes writers have to ‘kill all your darlings’ — thank you!

  193. 198 jezebel282

    Shanliss,

    Thank you for posting.

    “Please, please give us a well-moderated blog!”

    I’m trying! I’m trying!
    It is simply not in my nature to edit others comments unless I absolutely have to.

  194. 199 1george1

    “At the risk of having the Stalker, the man with all the answers and no solutions, spew his venom, here goes with a few tid-bits of facts:”

    Please review past posts as to who is venomous and who has posted
    solutions, including dozens of Revenue opportunities to completely
    pay for rebuilding Shakespeare Theater, and paying back the Town,
    with excess funds per maintenance and then money back to Public
    Treasury. and identified problems over the last several years.

    These were many ideas posted years ago by many people, but no
    one came up with using a Documentary or series of Documentaries
    about rebuilding the Shakespeare Theater, except me:

    Seek about $ 6 million in loan to rebuild the $ 4 million work necessary
    to do the phase 1 improvements. The other up to $ 2 million would be
    to create a professional documentary showing and explaining each
    part of the reconstruction.
    A) The time phase differences are one part of the story.
    B) The interviews with locals and celebrities can be interesting.
    C) The inclusion of the memorabilia and local history ….
    D) The sister cities are another aspect
    E) The part Shakespeare has played in the History of the British
    Empire and colonies is another part.
    F) Smart people can add ideas to engage, entertain, & educate

    Building Loans can be amortized.
    Residuals from replays on Cable can cover amortized debts.

    Art House Release can return millions, after very low cost production.
    It doesn’t have to recover all of the money, but might and would at
    least cover the production cost and part of the reconstruction, if not
    all of the reconstruction.

    FACT: The above HAS NOT been mentioned by AGC, nor COSLET,
    nor ROCK, nor JEZE, nor PORTIA, nor HARKINS, nor CHRIS, nor
    anyone else. If is NOT a knock. It’s legitimate defense & beneficial
    post, toward the INTENT of this BLOG STRING.

    Unless money is skimmed as I expect, profits can go to the General
    Fund. With a track record of profits from the documentary, a second
    documentary can be planned and the Town would be willing to BOND
    for the NEXT PHASE (PUBLIC MONEY) “only if ALL of the PAST COSTS
    were recovered and there is a verifiable revenue stream.”
    Most second or third remakes of movies are failures because they can’t
    sustain superior production. Documentaries are different.

    Documentary # 1 creates interest in not just subsequent 3 to 5
    documentaries, but also serves as cultural advertisment for the
    Theater, Stratford, Barnum Festival / Milford-Norwalk Oyster
    Festivals, New Haven Arts & Ideas, and other FUN SEASONAL CT
    activities.
    > entire series of Merchandising and Licensing are potentially
    cascading cash cows, which Gambino-Patriarcha-Tammany Hall
    surrogates hunger to steer contracts.
    > A new series of Stratford related politcal power play are likely
    to occur as the NIEBELUNG LOOK TO CONTROL not RHINE-GOLD,
    but HOusaTONIC-GOLD

    FACT: The above HAS NOT been mentioned by AGC, nor COSLET,
    nor ROCK, nor JEZE, nor PORTIA, nor HARKINS, nor CHRIS, nor
    anyone else. If is NOT a knock. It’s legitimate defense & beneficial
    post, toward the INTENT of this BLOG STRING.

    .

    As a non profit, there are maintenance costs needing to be covered
    which an inhouse Studio for Radio, TV and Cable can pay all of the
    basic overhead, with surplus.
    I mention this onsite studio due to the accoustics to Coslet at 4/12
    and his jaw dropped. He never thought of it.

    FACT: The above HAS NOT been mentioned by AGC, nor COSLET,
    nor ROCK, nor JEZE, nor PORTIA, nor HARKINS, nor CHRIS, nor
    anyone else. If is NOT a knock. It’s legitimate defense & beneficial
    post, toward the INTENT of this BLOG STRING.

    The above is NOT a business plan mentioned as desirable by ROCK,
    JEZE, SUDDS, CHRIS, & everyone else.
    > However, it’s a GIFT to the READERS to see an outline of ways the
    SHAKESPEARE THEATER might prosper and help give relief to the
    POOR and FIXED and LOW INCOME people of Stratford.
    > JULES VERNE: “What one man can imagine, another man can create!”

    Regardless of what I write in this column, there’s a desire to shut
    down the expose aspect about the ROCK and others, who have eyes
    on SELF INTEREST rather than general population, in my opinion.
    > They are directly connected to 2 certain LAW FIRMS running or
    ruining Stratford, and have been part of the inner party, who pretend
    to be the opposition, which is a consistent tactic in Stratford, in my
    opinion. They will be furious and fearful about being OUTTED!

    JEZE – In this post, MONEY is placed on the TABLE for all to read.
    Benefit to the general population is placed on the TABLE.
    Danger to the Theater and benefit to population, is on the TABLE
    identified diverse special interests who have motive to silence
    outside perspectives are placed on the TABLE.
    100 % is related to the SHAKESPEARE THEATER, without
    compensation nor expectations about backdoor complaints. 🙂

  195. 200 Rockannand

    For once George, how about presenting something that YOU could possibly implement? You sit in your house and shout all kinds of ideas as those in power will just go, “Yeh George is right, let’s just do what he says!!!”

    Here is a challenge that may make you do some real work:

    With all this knowledge you have about the laws and the various personalities and superior expertise on human behavior, PICK ONE of the many issues you write about and lay out an actual PLAN for how you would actually bring about the change you profess to want.

    I ask Jez to wave the relevancy rule and PICK ANYTHING you want, because Shakespeare is really not your strong suit.

    Now remember, I don’t want to see ideas, i want to see actual steps involving actual people with reasoned arguments for why those steps have a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding.

    You can expect to be challenged, so I advise taking some time here to think this one through.This should take more than 24 hours to do, so no auto-responder retort. This is a serious request.

  196. 201 jezebel282

    Shanliss,

    “Please, please give us a well-moderated blog!”

    Oh sure. You think it’s easy?

  197. 202 Rockannand

    FYI George. All your ideas in post 199 do not count as they are simply ideas that everyone has thought about a hundred times over, but have failed to put into a REAL plan to implement.

    Also, this one from post 191 is nothing more than a “theory” :
    “Once the Mayor appoints the 5 members to the Development
    Commission with exclusive rights to negotiate and contract,
    anything related to business development, will they completely
    control the fate of Shakespeare Theater?”

    Because the answer to your questions is no. We have already had legal experts weigh in and the town would most likely lose in a court challenge and would be advised NOT to pursue. We would bring in the State AG, Blumenthal and DeLaura and they would back off.

    No my challenge above to you would auto-dismiss these sorts of ideas and theories completely out of hand because we know, for example, that at least 5 Councilman are on the side of the people FOR Shakespeare.

    This should be harder than answering a Final Jeopardy challenge.

  198. 203 Rockannand

    Jez, went back and read some of your comments. This one caught my attention:

    “It is time for a coalition of the honest. The existing closed clubs are doing the citizens of Stratford no good at all. Since neither the RTC or DTC have any sort of relationship with actual Republican or Democratic ideals this new party should have no trouble at all recruiting real ones.”

    I think that in the short run, that a 3rd party would flounder and get nothing done. I like your blog purpose, but to start taking back the town, the only way is to wake people up and get them involved in picking off several of these really bad decisions (raising taxes and selling off assets) and missed economic development initiatives. The reason the Council and Mayor operate this way is they have watched the level of apathy and lack of citizen resistance and be=t we won’t rise up and “just say no.”

    A third party would waste way too much time of organization crap that would frustrate and turn off the very people you would want involved and attract the people you DON’T want involved. What is starting to work now is the level and persistence of the resistance that is playing out now. What is driving Harkins, Kubic and Councilman Sports Complex absolutely crazy is the very vocal and widespread anger over their actions.

    Shakespeare has become symbolic of the Howard Beal phenomenon i have witnessed over the past 4-5 weeks. Serious people in this town have stepped forward (mostly behind the scenes) to help because they too are as fed up with what has happened since the town switched to a Mayoral form of government. These people would never run for office or get involved in the BS that goes on down at Town Hall, but they will lend their expertise and influence to address some of the really egregious wrongs that have been committed the past 8-10 years.

    I would like to see more focus on this blog on how to do something you said about the various advocacy groups banding together to provide a larger and more effective resistance. When hundreds and/or thousands participate in a movement, these town officials fold like a cheap suit, but they have not been pushed much.

    I would never support a third party, but active and more coordinated resistence? Yes. Because it works.

  199. 204 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “I would never support a third party, but active and more coordinated resistence? Yes. Because it works.”

    That remains to be seen. Returning a set of keys is not quite the victory that will solve this 30 year old problem. Nonetheless, I congratulate you on winning that small battle.

    I suggested a third party because it is a viable option that has worked in other localities. It is quite apparent that the two we have (the RTC and DTC) do nothing to benefit citizens in any way.

    I admit that I do not have all the answers, but through discussion, debate and sharing ideas we may be able to arrive at a couple.

    “various advocacy groups banding together to provide a larger and more effective resistance.”
    Think about that for a moment…..
    Banding together to resist a municipal government that we elected? What’s wrong with that picture?

    “the only way is to wake people up and get them involved ”
    Well, this is the problem isn’t it? How we got here in the first place is by people not paying attention and simply filling in the bubble for an “R” or a “D” on election day. (OK, and the poor choices of candidates as well.)

    We agree that for most residents, local politics is a mysterious and incredibly boring process. It is absolutely astonishing that otherwise intelligent people do not realize that their monthly mortgage payments are substantially determined by a mayor and 10 Council people. They get mad at their bank or mortgage company instead. They don’t see a connection between say, a mayor and paying $400 to flush their own toilet.

    Incredibly, you will hear heated discussions about Obama v Romney. But no matter who wins that one, it will have less effect on Stratford residents than the next Stratford budget proposed by a mayor and approved by a council.

  200. 205 1george1

    PICK ONE PLAN WHICH CAN WORK – ROCK COMMANDS RULE WAIVED
    on relevancy, per post string. I moved to 3.0.

  201. 206 ronmoreau

    Rock,

    “Its the people making the decisions who are the obstacles to this project succeeding.”

    “You mean like “Team Stratford” and the inability to do anything at all with the SAEP? I hear rumors they will try again, by the way.”

    It will be interesting to see who the Mayor appoints to this “Developement Commission”.

    By the way who were the members on this “Team Stratford” that we have heard so much about?

  202. 207 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “By the way who were the members on this “Team Stratford” that we have heard so much about?”

    Let’s see…there was Norm Aldrich, Chuck Willinger and another guy who’s name I can’t remember. (I’m sure George will). That was pretty much it. They didn’t have an office, staff or actual address, you know.

  203. 208 ronmoreau

    Jez,
    I thought “Team Stratford” was an actual organization. Chuck Willinger, isn’t he the Bridgeport attorney representing Bridgeports airport? If so what buisness did he have to do with Stratford property.(SAEP)? Unless of course he lives in Stratford. If so.Conflict of interest?

    My appologies for digressing from this thread.

  204. 209 1george1

    Ron > jeze > Upgrade now!

  205. 210 stfdprofessor1

    “Let’s see…there was Norm Aldrich, Chuck Willinger and another guy who’s name I can’t remember. (I’m sure George will). That was pretty much it. They didn’t have an office, staff or actual address, you know.”

    RICHARD BUTURLA ?

  206. 211 jezebel282

    Prof,

    “RICHARD BUTURLA ?”

    I don’t think so. This time.

    I do remember way back in 2000 that Town Manager Mark Barnhardt was very opposed to awarding anything to Team Stratford.

    I seem to remember the name Aaron Hochman, but then there was the addition of The Monti-Posillico Group and a whole bunch of financial trouble with both. I must be getting old though. I don’t think Hochman was one of the “originals”.

  207. 212 1george1

    Hochman was the front for Team Stratford # 1
    Montiposilico LINY was front for # 2
    Natera / Dogstar was front for # 3

    Stenographer at Esq. Barry Steinberg presentation for # 2 to FEEHAN
    (ARMY doesn’t know who they’re dealing with) told me she was
    hired by Willinger ^ Bucci.

    Norm was fluttering around really busy & concerned.

    HEARSAY – I was told NORM & WILLINGER / BUCCI were involved
    in each of the FAILED ARMY BIDS.
    – BRUCE ALLESSIE was very tight with DOGSTAR and worked hard
    for getting AVCO OPEN
    – If Diane Toolan or Bruce Allessie were allowed to do their job, we
    would have a broader Tax Base including and open Shakespeare.
    > Diane kicked out
    > Bruce Dead
    > Real developers waiting behind stages’ tormentors.
    > Never seen Sal DiNardo mentioned, so far. C POST linked.

    What do these have to do with SHAKESPEARE = this STING?
    3 FAILED BIDS with a CERTAIN LAW FIRM BILLING for FAILURES:
    > AVCO Team Stratford 1 + 2 + 3 + 1/2 – real to happen soon?

    > SHAKESPEARE THEATER
    1 – SFT (Lou Burke) Shakespeare Festival Theater
    2 – KKP Kerner Kornfeld Partners – 9 MONTH Negotiation for 90
    window to raise $ 1 million – rasied after 180 days, supposedly
    3 – HANNEY – I defer to Chris …. except MIRON always campaigned
    against the HANNEY PROPOSAL and, never, never, never PROPOSED
    a counter program.

    Democrats (Burturla / Lieberman’s sister / Miron / Wannagot / others)
    are lined up against the HARKINS crew.

    If I was as cynical as JEZE …. 😉

  208. 213 cstratct

    RE: Hanney proposal and contract

    Remember that the Town Council was in charge of the process and had several options to choose from (Burke, Hanney, Tobin, and others earlier on in the process). The council made the decision to negotiate with Hanney, and at that point the only option for the mayor was to negotiate a contract with him exclusively. There were council members who accused the mayor of not negotiating in good faith with Hanney, even though his attorney (Barry Knott I believe) was pushing the flawed contract (and I’m being generous in calling it flawed). There was no ability to “counter” Hanney’s contract at the time because the town council called the shots and once they chose Hanney there were no other options to consider. Everyone else was shut out. At that point it was a fight to get back to a clean slate and start over, which is what occurred in early 2010 when the new council decided to end the debacle once and for all.

  209. 214 1george1

    I defer to Chris on the flawed HANNEY contract.

    HANNEY’S Attorney WAS Barry Knott and I spoke to BARRY
    about including licensing and merchandising in the contract
    in such a way it would benefit his client AND the PEOPLE of
    STRATFORD.
    ? I was furious with the resulting one sided aspect of the HANNEY
    Contract / Proposal.

    The KEY area I disagree with CHRIS is that I 100 % believe that
    the MIRON / BURTURLA faction were dealing with the HANNEY /
    KNOTT / HENRICK & whole RTC crew, because I absolutely believe
    they work together to split the pie.

    They argue over percentages. However they use the same Lawyers,
    agree on Department Heads, Promotion, hirings and PENSIONS/

    Since Republicans are supposedly FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE and the
    DEMOCRATS are supposelyly TAX & SPEND they roll reverse & create
    PHONEY ISSUES and FALL GUYS, like the MIRONS …

    However, Chris is correct on at least 2 KEY POINTS, which I conceed:
    1 – HANNEY contract would have been terrible.
    2 – Despite my theory, the HANNEY contract could have been
    implemented.

  210. 215 jezebel282

    CS,

    The sordid history of snake oil salesmen, con artists, politicians and consultants that have been involved with this theater for the past twenty years goes a long way towards explaining the hefty skepticism that is held by many voters.

  211. 216 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    I understand the skepticism, but for much of that time it was state directed. Those at the state level didn’t do the things that are happening now. A lot of people were calling for the work ACG is finally doing now. I would have liked to have seen this back in 2006-07 before KKP or Hanney. The Louis Burke fiasco was a holdover from the state directed days. I guarantee you had this option been available as a counter to KKP or Hanney, there would have been a lot of people supporting this course of action. In fact, that is what many people were calling for prior to the selection of Hanney? Remember the Hanney “business plan”? Who (besides a few town council members determined to turn the theatre over to Hanney) would have chosen that plan over a proper study? Unfortunately, that type of proper analysis and information gathering was not an option.

  212. 217 1george1

    I note STATE INVOLVEMENT mentioned in CHRIS’ POST.
    Where was HARKINS at the TIME?

    This am – my street lost power due to UI work.
    At 11:40 AM There were 3 cars by the “White House” and 2
    large dumpsters. I wonder if this work went to BID?

  213. 218 1george1

    > 3.0

  214. 219 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Remember the Hanney “business plan”? ”

    If I recall, it was one page. Maybe a page and a half.
    20 years of Louie Burke and Hanney leave a really bad taste.

    I really hope it all works. But someone needs to ask the hard, critical questions this time…and get real answers.

  215. 220 1george1

    When the Lawyers & politicians timetable is right, the developers
    will blitzkreig Stratford on Shakespeare & everything else.

    Now I-95 construction
    between I-95 # 28 – # 30
    Many vehicles & start of construction @ South Ave I – 95 # 31
    on Moses Wheeler Bridge & I – 95 # 33
    Cumberland farm @ I – 95 # 32 almost done.

    If Shakespeare & AVCO were opened, they would need more
    access from I – 95 AND from INLAND – Main Back Roads >
    * East Main * Main * Nichols * Broadbridge * FERRY BOULEVARD

    Almost as if SHAKESPEARE 5 PHASE PLAN and everything else
    were on a TIME TABLE for the GENTRY to steal everything
    while burdening low & fixed income and unaffiliated.

  216. 221 jezebel282

    George,

    We are certainly looking forward to your publication of this Timetable (in another Topic) so that we mere mortals can follow along with you.

  217. 222 1george1

    3.0 >

  218. 223 Rockannand

    Steve Martin famously said in Trains, PLanes and Automolbilies to John Candy, ” When you open your mouth and say something, have a POINT.”

    Maybe I’m the only one, but the last two posts here leave me totally flumoxed. Can you help us mere mortals with a simpler answer? To quote Denzel Washington in Philadelphia, “explain it to me like i’m a 4 year old, because i don’t get it.”

  219. 224 Rockannand

    FROM GEorge:
    “I note STATE INVOLVEMENT mentioned in CHRIS’ POST.
    Where was HARKINS at the TIME?

    This am – my street lost power due to UI work.
    At 11:40 AM There were 3 cars by the “White House” and 2
    large dumpsters. I wonder if this work went to BID?”

    ANswers; Hartford and yes. No clue why you lost power. Anyone have an idea why George lost power???

  220. 225 Rockannand

    Let’s put this Hanney gobbledygook to rest. Town Council told Harkins YOU CANNOT SIGN THIS when Harkins took office. I’ve seen the contract details and if it had seen the light of day after approval it would have been toxic. Town attorney saved Harkins and crew from themselves. End of story. Let’s either end this thread or start something new because George has managed to steer us into no man’s land once again with unrelated conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality. Maybe in the space time continuum in that alternate universe in some worm hole, but not in 2012 Stratford reality that us mere mortals live in.

    MOVE ON FOLKS. There is nothing more here to dissect until probably AUgust or September.

  221. 226 jezebel282

    Rock,

    “There is nothing more here to dissect until probably AUgust or September.”

    You are absolutely correct. Unless and until some plan is presented there is precious little to discuss about the Theater.

  222. 227 1george1

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19084

    (Sorry, George. Timetables and conspiracy outweighed the slight references to Shakespeare. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.)

  223. 228 cstratct

    Actually Jezebel there is plenty to discuss as there will be a Festival this summer! And it appears there will be action taken to preserve the white house. I for one look forward to hearing about these developments, which are directly related to the future success of the theatre. There may be nothing with respect to the new not-for-profit or the long-range planning, but there are lots of activities taking place this summer. Enjoy your summer everyone!

  224. 229 1george1

    Chris, I hope to see you and your family at Shakespeare.
    Stay well. Stay cool.

  225. 231 1george1

    🙂 LOL 🙂
    Modesty isn’t lacking. 🙂

    These were good letters as were those from last week(s)/month(s).
    The Letter writers are very literate, flow smoothly, appeal to both
    passion and intellect and are generally highly or well regarded people
    of the Community.

    1996 first Stratford Star Mark Barnhart interview by Jack Tercino.
    Stratford had 3 major issues seeking closure:
    1 – Shakespeare
    2 – Raymark
    3 – AVCO

    Opine: It’s too bad peoples priorities aren’t more about protecting the
    health and home/business owners, via good government, instead
    of cogent focus on only one component of Quality of Life.

    Thousands, if not tens of thousands of Stratford residents havebeen forces from their homes since the mid-1990s (note interview date)

    High Cost of Taxes, Heat, Utilities, Medicine & other staples have
    likely cost the lives and savings of many of the Greatest Generation
    and their decendants?

    If Shakespeare were alive today does any reader not believe the BARD
    could successfully compare John Lackland, Guy Guisborne, Sheriff of
    Nottingham from Robin Hood lore, to the mansters whose homes
    abutt Roosevelt (Sherwood) Forest

    Thursday’s Stratford Star had an excellent Letter about the Airport
    directed to the U.S. ARMY.

    While NIMBY & IMBY are the focus of politically connected/organized
    money – the economy to scale time table& dark ARTS cast a PALL
    (nun-BEAR-able) over INNOCENT LIVES YOUNG and OLD.

    George’s spaceship took off here and landed here: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19179

  226. 232 Rockannand

    Yo stunad, the link is Richard’s not mine. Remember what Sean Conery said in Hunt for Red October, “some things do not react well here to bullets.”

  227. 233 Rockannand

    “Opine: It’s too bad peoples priorities aren’t more about protecting the
    health and home/business owners, via good government, instead
    of cogent focus on only one component of Quality of Life.”

    You still don’t get it. You’re worse then Kubik, Poisson and Connor

  228. 234 stfdprofessor1

    “George’s spaceship took off here and landed here: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19179

    He certainly does have a unique ability to derail every thread. Hmmmm I wonder if he is actually sharper than we give him credit for and is actually trying to aid those forces out to destroy this town. OMG, now I’m starting to think like him. This is what we get when a guy gets to sit home all day, financially supported by our tax dollars. Did your disability payment arrive on time this month George?…Your welcome!

    Why don’t you start your own blog site George and leave all the other blog sites for lucid people?

    DEADBEAT [ˈdɛdˌbiːt]: A lazy person; a loafer; a person unable to pay his bills; someone who doesn’t pay their bills, screws up their credit, and then blames everyone else for their problems.

    LOAFER [lo;f:ɛr]: One who is habitually idle; a person who avoids work; idler; person who does no work; “a lazy bum”.

  229. 235 1george1

    LIE – PERSONAL INSULT: professor

    INSULT – THREATS: Rock

    What eactly did their posts have to do with this thread?

    Irrelevant or profane posts may be edited for content. Personal attacks or threats to private citizens will be deleted and the user will be banned from the site.

  230. 236 1george1

    😉 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🙂

    With mirth and laughter let old wrinkles come.

    ROTFLMAO

  231. 237 jezebel282

    George,

    Irrelevant: they respond to your posts.
    Profane: No profanity found
    Private Citizen: Every time I turn on channel 79, there you are front & center! You were a candidate for several offices. You were a member of a Town Committee and you letters appear in the newspaper on a weekly basis and you post under your own name. You are a public figure!

  232. 238 1george1

    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19189

    Editor’s note: Everyone now gets moved if the post is not on topic.

  233. 239 1george1

    Please move them to a diffenent string than mine, unless
    they are specifically commenting on something I posted in
    my string.
    – Isn’t that entirely consistent with your above fairness ruling? 🙂
    – I guess you’ll move this comment too, although I’m commenting
    about YOUR DIRECTLY ABOVE COMMENT, 😉

  234. 240 1george1

    The last 3 – 4 weeks, I’ve dropped off a couple 2 liter bottles of
    7 up, Hawaiian Fruit Punch, Pepsi to the Shakespeare Theater
    volunteers.

    This Saturday it was exceptionally hot and muggy.
    I had volunteered use of a small fridge,

    However I spoke to a couple of Volunteer leaders and syggest that
    they get a couple of old Refridgerators and an Ice Maker for their
    weekend tours and their August 1 – 5 shows.

    Last year they had 2 weeks of shows & 6000 visitors.
    This year so far they’re limited to 5 days / nights.
    Suppose they have 4,000 visitors who are all likely to buy $ 1 Water
    or Soda, which might be donated for free.

    This week, ALDI has BOTTLE WATER for $ 2.49 & SPRING WATER
    of $ 2.69 for 24 BOTTLES of WATER or 10 Cents each.
    At 89 cents profit per WATER BOTTLE it might CUT LOSSES or
    MIGHT GO TOWARDS an ENDOWMENT?

    As long as there is NO RAIN, I suspect this idea can generate
    $ 2,000 to $ 5,000 minimum revenue each summer?

  235. 241 Rockannand

    The Arts Consulting survey is now online. PLease take a few minutes to let the Town and the Task Force your views about performing arts and the Stratford Center for the Arts:

    To launch the survey, go to: http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22G8QQ4CZCM

    Those who complete the survey before August 13, 2012, will have a chance to win a pair of tickets to “Phantom of the Opera” on Broadway or “The Taste of Stratford” restaurant package. Those who respond before July 31 will also have the chance to win a free VIP dinner at a Festival! Stratford performance of Shakespeare’s “Romeo and Juliet” (Aug. 1-5). No purchase is necessary.

  236. 242 1george1

    Stratford Star news alert made me aware of the survey late
    yesterday afternoon.

    The questions – requests were very professionally done.
    However, there were a couple where I believe choices might
    have been better with just a couple more options.

    I encourage everyone to take the survey. Excellent job done
    by Catalano, Goodrich and their entire crew !!

  237. 243 mikereynolds

    Gee why didn’t they make the survey longer?

  238. 244 portia1776

    George is absolutely right about the survey’s limitations — “there were a couple where I believe choices might have been better with just a couple more options.”

    This is my response to the survey’s question of how the theater could serve the community:

    The American Shakespeare Festival Theatre can best serve the people of Stratford by being privately developed without any additional tax-payer “investment” (which has already been considerable, including for this latest study, and only resulted in “sound and fury, signifying nothing”). There must be a separation between art and State to ensure the vitality of artistic freedom and the active engagement of art in the community, which is only possible when individuals in the community support art directly (buying tickets, donating to support educational programs, volunteering at the venue) and not through coercive and unwitting taxation. If it is to serve the needs of the community the Theatre must know those needs — and to know them means it must rely on the good people of Stratford to match care with capital. If we care to have the Theatre re-open, to become a regional showcase venue for art and culture, then we will gladly make the personal investments necessary. If the Theatre can only function by the forced “contributions” of taxpayers, it may host productions but will never inspire passion, and will be unsustainable. The proud history of Stratford and our Shakespearean legacy deserve better. Why is the option of a for-profit redevelopment not even included among question nine’s unimaginative list of “how would you like to see the… building and site utilized”? Do the authors of this study not know that the original Globe Theater was a private venture designed to make its shareholders (Shakespeare among them) money? It did not rely on government “investment” nor was it conceived by some arts or economic planning board to supposedly “stimulate” the local economy. Shakespeare, an entertainment entrepreneur par excellence, would never have had the means to create his masterpieces were it not for their success in the art marketplace and his own good sense, according to literary critic Frederick Turner, to invest “in bonds and other interest-bearing securities. His famous words ‘neither a borrower nor a lender be’ are put in the mouth of the ‘wretched, rash, intruding fool’ Polonius, the time-pleasing state bureaucrat in Hamlet….” (http://reason.com/archives/1997/03/01/the-merchant-of-avon/singlepage ). What is needed is not to compound the blunders that have left the Theatre a bureaucratic boondoggle with illusory hopes of transforming it into yet another drab tax-payer funded regional arts/education venue, but to liberate the Theatre for the profit of everyone.

  239. 245 1george1

    Portia’s analysis was excellent, in part because we agree. 😉

    If I were involved in the planning meeting or Board of Directors,
    part of the plan would be phased repayment of all past costs,
    after covering costs for production, performances, maintenance,
    and administrative costs, and creating an endowment towards
    phased further repairs and renovations.

    While it’s difficult to be profitable, I believe this has great potential.
    The biggest issue is the likely sabotage related to Chapter 9 & then
    cherry picking EMINENT DOMAIN, especially along the Coast Line.

    SHAKE SPEARE Steganography, subplots, anagrams, & codes

    Rome O! Ju Lie T! Rome JU lie O.T.

    Oedipus reversed SU – PI – DEO(s)

    12th night MU NICHT Munich (T)

    Othello O. T. Hello

    Iago I a g o

    Hamlet HAM le “T” anagram The MAL

    Shylock SHY lock Ly SHOCK

    Portia I art op

    John BREAKspear Will I am SHAKEspeare

    George Villiers Buckingham georgEVILliersB-U-C-KING-HAM

    Neville Chamberlain anagram an EVIL lech am BERLIN

    Romulus SOUL RUM

    Remus reversed SUMER (TROY)

    Prometheus PRO me THEUS (theos) For my GOD
    P – ROME – the US

    Diogenes DEOS GENES = God’s People the dog poet

    GLOBE THEATER /// All the world is a stage.

    CURIA reversed AIR – U – C

    Versailles reversed SELL I AS REVE

    Maginot Line NOT MAGI NOT MA G.I.

    VATICAN VATIC CANUS – POET DOG

  240. 246 sudds

    #9…

    “How would you like to see the current American Shakespeare Festival Theatre building and site utilized?
    – Adapt the facility into a smaller Stratford Center for the Performing Arts, serving a local and regional audience
    – Provide facilities for outdoor presentations
    – Keep facility closed for now and defer investment in the site to a later date
    – Create a facility to serve primarily as an arts education venue
    – Redevelop the site as a public park or open space”

    …should be amended to have the option to choose “take it out of the hands of the people who have proven their incompetence for decades now, and hand the keys to a real organization that can actually get the place restored/open”!!! (feel free to include the words “Yale University”)

  241. 247 1george1

    Sudds – I agree with everything, except YALE UNIVERSITY as the
    exclusive option for competence. Do you really want the Jolly
    Roger of Skull n Bones on the flag pole.

    Second thought … DTC & RTC already …

  242. 248 cstratct

    Portia – “Do the authors of this study not know that the original Globe Theater was a private venture designed to make its shareholders (Shakespeare among them) money? It did not rely on government “investment” nor was it conceived by some arts or economic planning board to supposedly “stimulate” the local economy.”

    Seriously? Do you deliberately try to twist everything to fit your free market myopia?

    “In 1559, Elizabeth I issued a proclamation calling for all players to be licensed. The earlier informal troupes of travelling players were replaced by new touring companies with patrons from among the Queen’s leading courtiers. In 1583, the Queen became patron of her own company, the Queen’s Men, who played regularly in London as well as touring through England. In 1594, the Queen’s Men were replaced by two newly reorganised companies, the Admiral’s Men and the Lord Chamberlain’s Men. They shared a monopoly over theatre performances in London.” (http://www.bl.uk/treasures/shakespeare/companies.html)

    So a monopolistic enterprise that receives the patronage of the royal court is now how you describe a private venture? The least you could do is get your facts straight. Most art created during this time, whether visual or performing, was a result of patronage provided by the aristocracy. But keep trying.

  243. 249 1george1

    The British Empire & Roman Empires developed much by accident.

    The Romans invited problems by employing disproportiate mercenaries.

    England used privateers (free enterprise) to attack navies & merchants.

    England’s East India Company (free enterprise) conquored subcontinent
    of India and expanded through Pakistan & Afghanistan (Gunga Din)

    England used Austrailia as a penal colony (free enterprise).

    England used North American Colonials (free enterprise) & support
    to conquer Canada & POINTED the COLONIAL ARMY WEST, after having
    Royal Armies the dressed in the same COLOR as RED INDIANS.

    Time & again England used (free enterprise) CHARTERED privateers,
    to go fight elsewhere and not challenge the CROWN, or to wander
    the SEAS & not compete with the CROWN.

    The Magna Charter, Constitution, & UN Charters are all designed
    to keep stratfied powers in place, while perpetuating royalies
    in support of Primogenitor & hirelings.

    SHAKESPEARE & the KING JAMES BIBLE are the cornerstones of
    BRITISH LITERATURE & CULTURE. Each has number Chapter &
    Verse or ACTS

    Of course the SHAKESPEARE COMPANIES were Chartered and
    patronized by the Government, both OFFICIALLY & UNOFFICIALLY.

    The Royal ACTORS were often from NOBLE BIRTH, and the NOBLES
    were the GOVERNMENT supported by the various GANGSTER ACTS
    they could dream up, much like the MAFIA.

    The government gets their piece of the pie in the Empire or the
    States. Saint Peter was the JEWISH born ROCK / FOUNDATION.
    Saint PAUL was the GENTILE TAX MAN.

    CAPITALISM or CAP ITALY and COMMUNISM are secular RELIGIONS
    called PHILOSOPHIES, much like SHAKESPEARE teaches lessons to
    the NOBLES who were there PATRONS.

    MASSES were SAID in LATIN. The NOBLES were taught LATIN.
    OPERAS are SUNG in ITALIAN. NOBLES were taught ITALIAN.
    CASTLES of Anglo-Saxons were FRENCH NORMANS
    KAISER, KING, & CZAR were Direct VICTORIA HANOVER GERMANS

    The HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ceased being HOLY, ROMAN, but has
    been a sophisticated EMPIRE of (mostly) INCLUSION with too many
    SHAMEFUL exclusions …. much like the USA & rest of the world.

    The WORLD is run by LITERATURE & MANIPULATION.

    Like an ICEBERG, PEOPLE barely see the TIP.

    SHAKESPEARE is a perpetuation of the PLANT-AGE-NET.

    Much like the GO SPEL l.

    If people played nice and treated everyone like we treat a
    NEW BORN CHILD …. Stratford might be BEDFORD FALLS or
    EVEN mayberry. …

    JIMMY MIRON hath posted on the PATCH.
    Why not get him fluster with using FACTS and not crude
    insults to get him to reply?
    Honest dialog of pointed FACTS has a way of confounding
    BULLIES and TURNING ememies into less than enemies when
    the see you point ways to benefit peoples lives, even those
    who have done you …. wrong.
    There were many wise among all races & nationalities worth
    emulating…. PEACE!

  244. 250 portia1776

    Chris,

    I’m flattered, really, that you feel so compelled to follow my every post. But, as is obvious to anyone reading this, I’m just not in your league. What you think is a “refutation” does not even qualify as a “response.” The fact that you do is a testament to your tenuous grasp on how the world actually works and the credulousness demanded by your accursed collectivist ideology. But what are we to expect of an unrepentant Obamista/Mironista misologist? However much you absurdly demand to reduce men to masses in the evil, illiberal, and anti-evolutionary cause of denying first and then destroying nature’s natural inequalities, Shakespeare’s masterpieces were his own individual achievements, the products of his own genius, hard work, and resourcefulness.

    You quote the British Library’s description of how “Elizabeth I issued a proclamation calling for all players to be licensed. The earlier informal troupes of travelling players were replaced by new touring companies with patrons from among the Queen’s leading courtiers. In 1583, the Queen became patron of her own company” that was eventually “replaced by two newly reorganised companies, the Admiral’s Men and the Lord Chamberlain’s Men. They shared a monopoly over theatre performances in London.” The Lord Chamberlain’s Men was the company Shakespeare was primarily affiliated with.

    What, prey tell, does Elizabethan licensure law have to do with what I had written — “the original Globe Theater was a private venture designed to make its shareholders (Shakespeare among them) money. It did not rely on government “investment” nor was it conceived by some arts or economic planning board to supposedly “stimulate” the local economy”? Right, it has nothing to do with it. You have not contradicted me on a single point. What you have done instead is to misread and misconstrue a single shabbily written source, which apparently makes you an “expert.”

    I have long since abandoned hope that you are capable of what used to be called critical thinking. At this point I would settle for some sign, however faint, of basic reading skills. For those who are so endowed, read on. Chris, you are excused from this arduous task. You can now go back to chanting “No I can’t,” “Koch brothers!,” “2+2=Pink,” “This is what democracy looks like,” “Miron for Mayor,” and “We’re good enough, we’re smart enough, and doggone it, the Dear Leader likes us.”

    Where to begin?

    Perhaps I should first renounce the ridiculous royal regulations (the referenced proclamation and the Sumptuary Laws) that effectively gave the Queen the power to determine who could and could not be a player — a violation of the individual’s right to seek employment in a profession of their own choosing, a successful means for the royals to restrict the free expression of artists, and a judgment obviously best made by audiences.

    “So a monopolistic enterprise that receives the patronage of the royal court is now how you describe a private venture?”– Ah, no.

    There is no such thing as a “shared… monopoly.” A monopoly by definition means a single (mono) entity that is either natural or unnatural. A natural monopoly is the result of a majority of consumers freely choosing one company’s product or service over its competitors. An unnatural monopoly–whether directly (the post office) or indirectly (UI) government controlled–is one that is protected by government intervention in the market to reduce and prevent private competition–to the detriment of consumers.

    The Lord Chamberlain’s Men were thus not a monopoly. They were part of a cartel of patented companies made up of licensed players. Of course I am no more a fan of a government-backed monopoly than a government-backed cartel (recall I am the sworn foe of the health insurance company cartels that Chris keeps shilling for with his servile support of Obamacare). The important thing to note here is that the conferring of a patent or license does not a government entity make — unless Chris is now going to preposterously claim that the clerk who approved Thomas Edison’s patent for that modern bane of “Progressives,” the incandescent light bulb, became by that act its inventor. Needless to say, or perhaps not given the “Progressives” support of the “Occupy” anarchists, government does have a Constitutional role in protecting intellectual property rights by the granting of patents.

    This is obviously getting far afield of the point — there was a point? — oh, right, the theater. It turns out that if Chris had only been capable of copying and pasting page 1 of the British Library’s article (http://www.bl.uk/treasures/shakespeare/playhouses.html), the good readers here would have learned that the Globe was not alone in being a private for-profit venture. There were a number of competing theaters, creations of James Burbage, Philip Henslowe, and Francis Langley (who the article should but does not mention), all pioneering entertainment entrepreneurs. No, Chris, they were not government bureaucrats, planners, or politicians.

    I’m not too familiar with the origins of Henslowe or Langley, but do know Burbage to have been born a commoner. He achieved success by dint of his own individual merit. Then as now Burbage was sneered at by those like Chris and candidate Obama who are jealous of individual success for want of their own talent and ambition. Burbage was accused of being more interested in money than art, bless the heart of the greedy one who literally set the stage for Shakespeare by taking the risk of founding the first amphitheatre of his time. Named simply the Theatre, it existed until his “lease on the site expired in 1597.” And, no, Chris the leased land (Burbage claimed to own the building) had been from a private landlord, Giles Allen, and not the government. And no, Chris, he didn’t have a government-backed mortgage, either. At that point Burbage, his son Richard, Shakespeare, and other shareholders invested in a new theater enterprise, the Globe, the first version of which included materials from the old Theatre.

    So what of royal “patronage”? According to the government regulations of the time in order to be a player you needed to belong to a company. In order to form a company you needed to be under the “patronage” (protection) of a member of the court. Henry Carey, 1st Lord Hunsdon and then Lord Chamberlain, was the protector of the company that bore his name. He was the man who secured from the Queen her favor in the form of a waiver allowing the players to dress for their parts as they pleased (a commoner dressing as a royal was otherwise against the law). Whether or not Lord Chamberlain contributed money to his players has nothing to do with the financing of the theaters, which, ad infinitum, were private, for-profit ventures.

    The Theatre and its successor, the Globe, had to be profitable otherwise they would cease to exist. Their major shareholders were originally commoners, their patrons were primarily commoners, and Shakespeare was born a commoner (or proletarian, if Chris prefers) before generating great wealth from his artistic and financial earnings. English Professor Paul Cantor, in a review of Frederick Turner’s Oxford University Press book “Shakespeare’s Twenty-First Century Economics: The Morality of Love and Money,” hailed Shakespeare as “Capitalism’s Poet Laureate,” which he is. (http://reason.com/archives/2000/03/01/capitalisms-poet-laureate).

    Government regulations restricted who could perform Shakespeare’s works and thus impacted the financial fortunes of players and companies that could not get a patent or license, but these restrictions had no effect on the profitability of the works themselves.

    “The least you could do is get your facts straight.” — Thus says the Miornite chronically incapable of admitting a single fact of the Loschiavo case or much of anything else from his Dear Leader’s reign of terror. LOL!

    “Most art created during this time, whether visual or performing, was a result of patronage provided by the aristocracy.” — Yes, wealthy individuals, in pursuing their own self-interest, have greatly benefited humanity — whether today by using their own bodies and money to pioneer medical breakthroughs (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/health/in-gene-sequencing-treatment-for-leukemia-glimpses-of-the-future.html?pagewanted=all) or even royals seeking their own amusements. Of course there is a fundamental difference between the individual who earned his wealth by virtue of creating value for others in the free market and the royal who does not earn or create anything, simply claiming by birth and taking by coercive force all that is within “their” domain.

    Let us be clear, royal patronage did not make Shakespeare’s plays great, or build the stage on which they were shown, or even fill the rafters with hoi polloi patrons. Today’s politicians and planners and bureaucrats can think of themselves as nobles, but they are decidedly not our “betters.” Those who disagree, like Chris, wish to be serfs not citizens. For shame!

  245. 251 1george1

    PORTIA: The Lord Chamberlain’s Men were thus not a monopoly.
    They were part of a cartel of patented companies made up of
    licensed players.

    Of course I am no more a fan of a government-backed monopoly
    than a government-backed cartel (recall I am the sworn foe of the health insurance company cartels that Chris keeps shilling for with his servile support of Obamacare).

  246. 252 1george1

    The Lord Chamberlain’s Men were thus not a monopoly.

    They were part of a cartel of patented companies made
    up of licensed players.
    Of course I am no more a fan of a government-backed
    monopoly than a government-backed cartel.

    PORTIA – Based on circumstancial evidence would you
    consider it LIKELY or UNLIKELY that the O.P.E.C. OIL
    CARTEL actively works with BIG OIL + PEMEX + RUSSIA
    + SHAKE SPEARE North Sea OIL & the US MILITARY,
    and US POLITICAL PARTIES, since you bought up CARTEL?

    Since you bought up CARTEL is it likely or unlikely the
    MEDILLIN & MEXICO & ORIENTAL & GANG DRUG CARTELS
    work with the US MILITARY and US POLITICAL PARTIES?

    PORTIA Shakespeare’s masterpieces were his own individual achievements, the products of his own genius, hard work, and resourcefulness.

    I wish to believe Shakespeare legend.
    Due to the CONNECTIONS to PLAN”T”-age-NET, John BREAKspeare
    the only British pope, and other factors, I differ with your very
    intelligent conclusions and belief. I can be wrong.
    – You are aware of revisionism + dubious nature of
    history. While there are people who work alone, those in
    Government tend to work in Committees.
    – Was Shakespeare the sole author?
    – Were Adam Smith, Marx-Engels, Hitler-Hess, the sole creators
    of their work or is likely unlikely there were collaborators for
    political purposes. Even if it was just to FRAME DIRECTION?
    – Were Hamilton, Jay, & Madison sole authors of the Federalists?

    I look at HISTORY differently than most.
    Portia, we agree on certain idealist concepts and disagree on
    others, while also agreeing and disagreeing on CIRCUMSTANCES
    & FACTS.

    Before YOU, CHRIS, or JEZE rebut or criticize me, or ignore me,
    please wikipedia LEO STRAUSS.

    He also READ differently and suggested that OPPOSITE MEANINGS
    were intended by certain ARTISTS to protect themselves from
    PATRONS they pretended to PLEASE yet secretly criticized.

    WE KNOW how POWERFUL PEOPLE feel about the TRUTH and
    the general population knowing TRUTHS vs. PROPAGANDA.

    PORTIA some Criticism directed at Chris may be meritted & I
    feel much is not meritted, nor the demeaning necessary &
    unworthy of your INTELLECT.
    Yet PORTIA, WHAT IF the FOUNDATIONS you believe to be TRUE
    had many of the INTRINSIC FLAWS you use to cast aspersions?

    We know anything created by MANKIND is SUBJECTIVE, even
    those things accepted as immutable truths.

    We accept to be true 2 + 2 = 4
    It is universally accepted. I can’t imagine it being wrong.
    We deny 2 + 2 = PINK
    I can imagine circumstance where it can be true, depending
    on the context. Perhaps a computer language arbitrarily
    creating fields and definition for certain number combinations
    to directly relate to COLORS?

    SHAKESPEARE like the BIBLES / TORAH & CLASSICS contain many
    things we accept to be true and often based on EMPIRICS…..

    However PORTIA, CHRIS, JEZE, what if the EMPIRIC were FLAWED
    and WHAT IF we became CONDITIONED, INDOCTRINATED, and
    INCULCATED into our CULTURES …. FLAWED CONCEPTS….. ?

    EXAMPLES?

    PHAROAH – BABYLONIA religions > Jewish + Greek/Roman >
    Catholic
    Aramaic + Jewish > Moslem
    Jewish + Greek/Roman + Catholic > Protestant reformation
    Jewish + Greek/Roman + Catholic + Protestant reformation
    > Mason / Shriner / Illuminati

    Illuminated Bibles are Bibles with colored pictures

    Jewish + Greek/Roman + Catholic + Columbus + Gutenberg >
    Shakespeare licensed & patronized by primarily NOBLES
    who were the ONLY ONES who could AFFORD or UNDERSTAND

    Portia – Villeins or English peasants & surfs were like SOUTH
    SLAVES – they have NO MONEY – NO EDUCATION

    Would they attend SHAKESPEARE or OPERA which PAID their
    ACTORS & INVESTORS?

  247. 253 1george1

    Rather than dismissive, unproductive, insults …

    Why not constructively criticize my hypothesis which
    isn’t even a DRAFT, just a spur of the moment counter
    argument to a couple of PORTIA’S positions.

    I agree with some thing each person has written and disagree
    with some others. There is no intent to demean or insult, but
    there is intent to exchange ideas and improve concepts…..

    I realize to some readers and a few bloggers it’s a novel concept
    and contrary to shoot out insults reflexively (spelling?)

    However, there are many readers who are intelligent, caring,
    & thoughful who read and learn.
    They think about the way things are….& the way things should be.

    I’m not looking to convert people to a religion or to my way of
    thinking.
    I want people to open their eyes to realities unconsidered,
    open their hearts to a different psychic gratification,
    and open their soul or core belief structure to a more inclusive
    view of people where life doesn’t have to be ZERO SUM –
    “everything for me and nothing for you, because I get my self
    worth from me having things and you having less things and me
    and my friends getting our self worth by humiliating innocent &
    helpless people, from behind my monitor or by the acts of my
    surrogates and the use of laws, ordinances, rules, and other means
    for my family to steal from others and use lies and diversions of
    smoke and mirrors, and minor issues to hide real issues.”

    WHILE DEVIL WORSHIP may be a FUN GAME for SOME….
    There is ONLY ONE KING of the MOUNTAIN.

    The SATAN who offered the MOUNTAIN TOP view to CHRIST
    to the SATAN who offered the MOUNTAIN TOP view to Dr.
    Martin Luther King Jr,
    That SATAN views you and me as FUN G.I. ABLE
    BREAK SPEARE
    SHAKE SPEARE
    MAKE SPEARE
    Secularly – who is winning?
    What is your family’s best interest?
    Governments who can muder TRUE GIANTS and INNOCENTS
    or governemnts of WE THE PEOPLE of the people, by the people
    and for the people, who give JUST CONSENT of the Governed &
    willingly forgo some INALIENABLE RIGHTS?

    To thine own self be true ……

  248. 254 jezebel282

    Portia,

    While you’re at it, I thought you might be interested in this update tidbit:

    http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetail.aspx?source=Pending&Key=6f829d96-7b45-43e8-aaa3-532f34986112

    :LOSCHIAVO JUSTIN
    Arresting Agency:LOCAL POLICE NEW HAVEN
    Arrest Date:7/15/2012

    53a-61 ASSAULT 3RD DEG
    53a-182 DISORDERLY CONDUCT

    I wonder how many police officers demanding reinstatement based upon the Disabilities Act get arrested on Saturday nights for assault and disorderly conduct? Maybe the victim was disabled too, making it a fair fight?

  249. 255 sudds

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

  250. 256 cstratct

    Portia,

    So nice to see you’re still unpretentious and restrained. I’m not going to waste my time going down every dark corridor you travel with your bombastic post. Suffice it to say, your original post stated, “the original Globe Theater was a private venture designed to make its shareholders (Shakespeare among them) money? It did not rely on government “investment” nor was it conceived by some arts or economic planning board to supposedly “stimulate” the local economy.”

    It was a “private” venture only insofar as the owner(s) were granted the rights to build the stage and perform plays based on the patronage of the royal court. As the article states, “In 1594, the Queen’s Men were replaced by two newly reorganised companies, the Admiral’s Men and the Lord Chamberlain’s Men. They shared a monopoly over theatre performances in London.” Now perhaps the author should have use the word oligopoly, since there were two companies, but regardless of the term, it was hardly a free market and the building of those theaters would not have been possible without the support of the aristocracy and the government.

    You can cite and quote and rant and rave until you’re blue in the face but it doesn’t change the fact that without the patronage afforded the companies by the Queen (and later the King), the acting companies and the theaters that housed them would not have been possible. You can’t claim the success of either the company or the theater was strictly the work of a private, free market. And the fact still remains that “Licenses were granted to the aristocracy for the maintenance of troupes of players, who might at any time be required to show their credentials.” (http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/elizabethan-acting-troupes.htm) So the aristocracy did support these groups (financially and otherwise). It was after receiving a royal patent that Burbage’s group built the theater. Attempting to cast the building of the Globe as a shining example of a private venture free from government involvement is simply revisionist history. The Queen may not have provided direct capital to build the Globe, but the government was deeply involved.

    I could address other issues related to the town’s ownership of the property but there’s no point. It has been addressed over and over. You’ll continue to twist my words and attempt to browbeat me, which for your information doesn’t intimidate me or make me any less likely to post my opinions. What you continue to display is a heightened sense of self worth that is simply laughable.

    All your other insults and protestations are neither worth the time or effort. You cling desperately to this Jim Miron obsession when it has nothing to do with the discussion.

  251. 257 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Jim Miron obsession when it has nothing to do with the discussion.”

    But that is oh so much more entertaining.

  252. 258 1george1

    Chris – excellent post to counter Portia’s relevant points
    about whether or not the Shakespearean venture was
    true free enterprize or not?

    Too bad JEZE & SUDDS couldn’t stay relevant ….
    Sudds – I’m teasing JEZE.

    There are comparative government patronage / licensing /
    support from the Royals and Noble to Shakespearean times
    to present day economics with:

    US Government grants, legislation, & assistance to THEATER
    & to corporate or private businesses, who them can afford
    to support ventures like SHAKESPEARE THEATER.

    While many rant against government, for many companies they
    are the signgle largest customer, and who actually can afford
    to pay.
    Many other companies have a wide range of customers.
    However there are very few companies that don’t have
    government customer down stream as customer of customer
    of customers.

    I’d be willing to bet if PORTIA owned a COMPANY that a minimum
    of 20 % of his gross revenue was derived either from a government
    or a 2nd or 3rd genration down stream customer who relied on
    government contracts?
    > AVCO was an ARMY – Government PLANT
    > SIKORSKY is CORPORATE but depends on GOVERNMENT $$.
    > Suppose PORTIA’S best CUSTOMER was SIKORSKY?
    > Suppose PORTIA’S best CUSTOMER didn’t deal with either,
    but their BEST CUSTOMER was SIKORSKY? Is my poit proven?

    However there are many, many points PORTIA makes which I believe
    are VALID and that especially includes RAVINGS about BAD GOV …
    But then again, so does JEZE and all of use ….

    I think JEZE agrees with SHAKESPEARE about LAWYERS.
    PORTIA was likely SHAKESPEARE’S best character which reeks
    of irony ….. A WOMAN … A JEWESS … PLAYING a LAWYER ….

  253. 259 sudds

    “You cling desperately to this Jim Miron obsession when it has nothing to do with the discussion.”

    Yeah Jez… WTF? Why don’t you get your own blog where you can post whatever you want wherever you… oh wait! 😛

  254. 260 jezebel282

    Hey wait a minute! Portia posted a comment about Loschiavo first. I was just providing an update. I guess it’s lucky it was it was New Haven PD. If it was Stratford PD there would be dozens more Loschiavo complaints that the taxpayer would have to fund. Besides, the real story is much worse than what appears on the court docket anyway.

    We could always talk about what Miron didn’t do for the Theater. As for Portia v CStratct, they will disagree about punctuation and spelling. But here is what is for sure, Stratford taxes are so out irresponsibly out of control and costly that this community literally can’t spend a dime on the Theater…whether we wanted to or not.

  255. 261 cstratct

    Sudds,

    Portia’s ongoing Miron tirade is beyond outdated at this point and has nothing to do with the discussion of current events surrounding the theater. It is why I don’t really give a damn about the personal insults and call them out for what they are, a feeble attempt to intimidate and distort the issue.

    Your one-track idea regarding Yale is not feasible, but at least it is on topic.

  256. 262 cstratct

    By the way Jezebel, the argument is far beyond punctuation and spelling. But you know that, despite the fact that you have little to no interest in the topic of this particular thread.

  257. 263 jezebel282

    CS,

    “the fact that you have little to no interest in the topic of this particular thread.”

    In that you are correct. I have followed the ups and downs for 30 years. To me it’s a bit tedious.

    No matter what Portia wrote you would disagree with it. Portia would do the same no matter what you wrote.

    At least Miron provides comic relief.

  258. 264 1george1

    LOL – SUDDS
    LOL – JEZE
    LOL – CHRIS
    Portia v Chris
    Miron v Jeze
    Suds v Sudds 😉

  259. 265 paradisegreen

    I have to scroll through this thread when I can, (sorry George yours are WAY too long, Portia, Jez et all, I will take a look at. lol)

    However, by the intro alone I can comment. Jimmy pretty much dug his own… Being the “first” of anything – particularly politics is not inviting to the rational mind. I suspected he would not win a re-election. (Stratford is largely a GOP town – as you all know. That surprises me because with the exception of about 2 MAYBE 3 districts we ain’t got that many millionaires here and last I checked we were not on the bible belt roster, but I digress… )

    Sadly, I also knew that Harkins is out solely for Harkins. His record in the State proved that. Plus just listen to him – oh, when in fact he gives you the opportunity to listen to him. The rare occasion he emerges from that bunker we have all talked about.

    IMO the Shakespeare thing is BS. Harkins is pulling a total BS card in manipulating the so-called Republicans in this town who are so focused on hating Obama that they really are not paying attention to local politics – by stating that our tax dollars will be what finances the White House and the Theater. People who actually READ know this is not the case.

    BTW – that LBW thing that everyone fretted over? What’s the update on that? Avco, dare I ask? Yeah.

    I am gravely dissapointed in Bishop. Gravely. I am not by any means surprised by Harkins being a (****) but I thought more of Tim. the DTC is pretty much done – or at least it needs a ridiculous amount of regrouping. the RTC is a joke in that it meets at a private country club known for… well, you know… 😉 Lou is decent and I have no complaints with him per se, but the RTC should have stayed at Booth Park, not Mill river. MR reduces their credibility, IMO, Well, heck,that and the fact that MR does not allow public access. George – if you are reading – have you gotten into those meetings? if anyone has the tenacity to do so, you do.

    OK, way to long of a post! Sorry!! But for those of you who sat through this and will comment back, thank you! 😉

  260. 266 paradisegreen

    Oh and I am neither an “ista” nor a “ister”. I am clearly a Democrat but let’s all just toss any other affiliations you may be suspect of, away. ‘k? 😉

  261. 267 1george1

    to Blodgettave & paradise: I would love to see what you both
    wrote in letters to the editor of Post (250) Star (500) & Patch.

    I agree with your assessments of the desires of the players.

    * About LBW – Pat Gribbons (?) Butternut Lane / Harbor Commission
    created a plan for a braodwalk like Milford about $ 1 m.
    July 11 Harbor Comm meeting: “Harkins has my proposal.”
    * At ST. Joseph after election I directly asked Harkins if the LBW
    property could be sold to anyone, since F & W surrogate wouldn’t
    pay $ 10 m. Harkins direct answer: Town Council could SELL IT.
    (IMPLICATION? = BRIDGEPORT)
    * Several sources confirm former COTTAGE OWNERS offered $ 45 m
    for 40 % of property & rest could have gone to F & W.
    * Once COTTAGES were taken down, value of raw property dropped
    under $ 10 m.

    * Since Harkins is appraiser & rumored to be Appraiser for AVCO, he
    knows values of developed / undeveloped
    * Camillo (Butternut like Norm) rumored to have written AVCO S.R.I.

    * I have nothing in writing, but 7 verbal sources including AVCO
    Caretaker Peter Syzmanski telephonically told me
    1) AVCO may have written agreement by end of month (Blues Beach)
    2) AVCO may have contract within 6 months
    3) Until something is signed …..
    4) Limits to what he could disclose.

    Various sources claim:
    * Rumors AVCO was negotiated not BID (another bid circumvent)
    * Rumors AVCO developer is CT.

    On MRCC – Lou / Tim
    FBI has had MRCC bugged at least since they moved Meeting,
    due to friends of Frank Piccolo association, L. I. Chapter.

    Lou has been knicknamed “DARTH” & “ReTHUGlian.”
    Henrick, Feehan long regarded as THUGS.

    Monday night Town Council voted to have AVALON BAY hooked
    up to Town Water & Sewer.
    Kubic, Conners, & Hoydick were able to vote against for posturing.
    Poisson disappeared. Rest of Town Council voted for it???

    Dick Burturla, Mossman, Gribbon, & few others cover their face
    when I am or was around Meetings ….. sign of SHAME.
    There are a few others.

    Kelly & I discussed questions – Kev claimed I made accusations &
    said PROVE IT. My reply – how can I prove something when I’m just
    asking questions??? I note …. Kev didn’t deny.

    Tim told me he doesn’t take money as Town Attorney.
    Tim had to admit his 2-4 associates who work(ed) in Town
    Attorney’s office & Kev were paid.
    Tim feels humanity is basically evil. We playfully debate with
    Tim as the Devil’s Advocate. We have a very civil discourse, yet
    I watch deeds, while reading/hearing words.
    Bernie Madoff, GHW Bush, & Nixon have among the best resumes
    for the positions they held. (NIXON-had the tapes INSTALLED –
    Those TAPES proved EISENHOWER’S WARNING was PRESCIENT)
    (NOTE: FRANK CHURCH & KNAPP Commissions)

    Did I answer all of paradisegreen’s issues, from directly above?

    My apologies
    1 – Long post
    2 – Not strictly in blog string – BUT where paradised asked.

  262. 268 1george1

    To Paradise: Only reason Jimmy won was a very well planned
    set of competition. If Bill O’Brien didn’t run, it could have been
    interesting between Best & Dom.

    Bill is beloved by Sterling House crowd. Follow the money (Budget)
    on Sterling House. I was abosultely stunned on how bad a candidate
    Mr. O’Brien was. He didn’t know the issues. He had no proposals to
    improve things. Even Tom Carroll was a superior candidate. I wasn’t
    as good a candidate then as I was in 2009. However I was in it only
    to be a wing man for an honest candidate .. both times.

    Anyone else NOTE Dom’s brother Michael lives on Judith Terrace?
    Anyone else not Dan DiBicella’s dad and Dom were Bridgeport PD
    with connections to BUCCI (Willinger = DeNardo are cousins)

    Kevin Kelly was Goodrich’s campaign manager. He told me the R
    needed to win the center of Town…..
    Meanwhile Dom stole the Diane Buda Platform and surrogates
    stole some of my ideas … He won the R primary from Goodrich
    who was getting threatening phones nightly, if my sources are
    correct?

    SHAKESPEARE? One can read my comments above.
    I believe it not only can be a success, it is planned to be so.

    Everything is on a Time Table.

    Sister Cities is 2014

    300 anniversary of creation of Grand Lodge is 2017
    The United States CONSTITUTION will be sundered and we
    will again be part of the BRITISH EMPIRE.

  263. 269 1george1

    Saturdays about noon – I’ve been dropping off a COLD 2 liter
    of Fruit Punch & COLD 7 up at Shakespeare, for working
    volunteers, on these HOT SWEATY Saturdays.

    I suggested to MATT, ED, & KATHY to contact PEPSI & COKE
    FOR THE aUGUST 1 – 5 EVENTS & ask for donations PALLETS of
    Bottled WATER
    Bottles COKE / PEPSI
    Bottles DIET COKE / PEPSI

    I know PALLETS of cans are 96 cases of 24 or 2304 cans per pallet
    I forget how many bottles are on a pallet? Maybe 54 x 24 = 1296
    1296 x 6 PALLETS = 7776
    @ $ 1 = $ 7776
    @ 1.25 = $ 9,720
    @ 1.50 = $ 11,664

    5 cent deposit for 7776 bottles = $ 388.80

    I don’t believe 5 days can have traffic for selling 7776 bottles
    and there are storage & ice issues.

    But not a bad FUND RAISER if these can be DONATED?

    Since PEPSI is YUM BRANDS & has CHIPS like DORITOS … WHY
    NOT ASK for FREE CHIPS SNACKS

  264. 270 1george1

    Shakespeare Festival Action
    Tonight through Sunday.
    Entertainment is F R E E.
    BYO Chair, Blanket, Picnic

    Will have Beverages, Beer, & Food for Sale

    Please pass along to your employees, neighbors, friends, & family.

    Professionals are doing the Acting
    – Funds raised by Volunteers
    – Work done by Volunteers

    http://festivalstratford.org/

    Please ask people to take the ARTS SURVEY

    http://festivalstratford.org/arts-survey/

    We are trying to create more good things in Stratford.

    Thank you

  265. I went to Festival Stratford last night and plan going another evening, probably tomorrow. Attendance started off slow, I think the weather held some people back for the jazz portion, but people did start coming closer to performance time for the play. It turned out to be a magnificent evening. Congratulations to Matt Catalano, Ed Goodrich and all of the on-site volunteers!

    There are sculptures outside in front of the theatre. Two are by our very own, Stratford born and bread, Dave McNeil (who is also an honest, hardworking and upstanding police officer in Town). His work is magnificent, as is the work of the other local artist.

    The lobby inside of the theatre was set up with costumes and photographs from past performances, and people were allowed to walk into the theatre itself. Great job is being done – again, all by volunteers. The herb garden (once maintained by Will Geer a/k/a Grandpa Walton) is planted again! Another volunteer effort – plants purchased and donated without a penny of taxpayer money.

    Funny though – the Mayor did show up – briefly – before the performance, with the new economic development director and 8th district councilman Jim Connor in tow. At first I felt happy that he showed up, but when I realized who he was with (they came and left together) I suddenly got a cold chill. The old saying “if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck – it’s a duck” came to mind. I doubt very much if the visit was to give kudos to the hard work and be supportive, and rather (because of his companions and Jim Connor’s previous comments about uses for the property) more of a showing of the property to the economic director to get her in line with their agenda. I certainly hope I’m wrong, but I did not get a warm and fuzzy feeling seeing the three of them leave together.

    I also saw Kevin Kelly and family as I left at the end. I certainly hope the hard work and vision has given him a new perspective.

    Well….. that’s all folks!

  266. 272 sudds

    “I went to Festival Stratford last night and plan going another evening, probably tomorrow”…

    I’m marking my calendar now!!!! 😀

  267. 273 1george1

    PCS – There are ways to monetize varieties of opportunities
    associated with the STRATFORD SHAKESPEARE THEATER.

    The Letter by Neil Sherman spoke volumes to me.

    I appreciate Mrs. Muse complements.
    I appreciate Marcia Stewart who is a single issue person.
    I really appreciate your ripping both parties for what they are
    and support of the Theater.
    – Wed & today I called Channels 8 & 12 to try to get camera crews,
    to cover the site and talk up the event & survey.

    Last week I visited the B-LOSE on the B-each about 7:00 pm.
    I saw Harkins, Connors, Dempsey.
    First time ever, John didn’t say hello or look my way.
    Standing ALMOST in FRONT of where he was SEATED … it would
    be impossible to miss me…. I said hello to about 30 people I know
    & who know me, to the dismay & surprize of a couple people that
    I noticed.

    We need more people like PCS, Diane Buda, Eleanor Burke, the late
    GREAT ED “BEEFY” HARGUS & SYLVIA ….

  268. 274 1george1

    I volunteered time Friday night at the Show.

    Estimated audience:
    Wednesday, despite rain there were over 320 attendees
    Thursday there were over 620 attendees
    Fridaythere were over 470 attendees

    The seating in the present set up was between 1500-1600.
    Projected seating as proposed is between 500-600.

    My opinion is the 10 pm show start cut into Friday’s turnout,
    and because of that, the rain Wednesday, and 8:00 start for
    Romeo & Juliet, Thursday may have been boosted.

    Rain can hurt overall attendance.
    With possible Thunderstorm Sunday (late?) today should be a
    good day, even with the 10 pm show start tonight, which is
    appropriate for a Saturday night.

    It was good to see PCS last night.
    It was good to see Mr. Sperling too (note: Sudds)

  269. 275 ronmoreau

    George et al,

    I’ve never been a fan of Shakespeare. Thurday nights performance was very professionally done. The full moon in the eastern sky added a certain ambiance to the performance. A nice breeze off the river made it very comfotable during the performance. Well Done.

    It has been said that Councilman Matt P. Cat. is a one issue councilman. (The Shakespeare Theatre) Well at least he has an issue, and is doing something about it. If every town Councilman put as much time and effort behind any issue…Keep up the good work Matt.

    With some friends and family, couple of lawn chairs,a picnic basket full of refreshments you will enjoy a nice evening with FREE entertainment.

  270. 277 1george1

    I saw Ron Saturday night too. Becoming a fan of Shakespeare?

    Good turnout. Audience Estimated over 1,100 including many
    “political players.” I’m unsure how many were there during day.

    Thurderstorm expected about 2:00 pm & beyond … too bad.
    Rain Wednesday & for Harkins B-lose on the Beach. Too bad.

    Show scheduled for 8:00 pm tonight. (Rain?)
    I thought Friday 10:00 pm start was a mistake. Too late?


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