Reader Challenge

20Aug12

Why me? I don’t know either.

Can somebody please explain why anyone should vote for this guy? We are very interested to find some sort of reason.

The only rule that applies is that you can’t say he’s not the other guy.

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174 Responses to “Reader Challenge”

  1. 1 1george1

    I favor the CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT for all VOTING
    > NONE of the ABOVE & VACATE the INCUMBANT

    If Republicans truly want to REDUCE Government, I FAVOR
    a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to BAN REPUBLICANS,

    If DEMOCRATS truly want HONEST Government I FAVOR a
    CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to BAN all DEMOCRATS &
    REPUBLICANS from having any Government jobs, included
    running for office,

    While penalties involving “corruption of the blood” 7 acts of
    attainder aren’t CONSTITUTIONAL an AMENDMENT to BAN
    ORGANIZATIONS with proveable “BRIBERY, HIGH CRIMES,
    & MISDEMEANORS, with TREASON” likely proveable, I believe
    that can be a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT?

    IF Romney committed toPROSECUTE everyone in the BUSH-
    CHENEY & OBAMA-BIDEN Administrations, i’d consider voting
    for the guy. … I ain’t holding my breath.

    I note the MASTERS GOLF COURSE is opening doors to
    WOMEN starting with Condosleeza Rice & some other
    MASTER RACE PUPPET?
    * Anyone sure Rice is really a woman?
    * Anyone sure Rice, Cheney, & Rumsfeld are human?
    * Only reason disflexic GWHB & WB like GOLF, is because
    they read it backwards as FLOG!

    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. appeared to know when he gave his
    Mountaintop Speech that he was to die the next day. Read the
    Text. Watch the Video. Listen to the Audio.
    Tears in his eyes. Voice cracking.
    Dr. MLK Jr was like CHRIST @ GETHESAME?
    The next day was the 1 year anniversary of Dr. MLK Jr. coming
    out against WAR & specifically the SO.VIETnam WAR.

    It appears a DEVIL took Dr. MLK Jr to the Mountaintop, like the
    DEVIL took CHRIST to offer him everything on the horizon?
    Like CHRIST, Dr. MLK Jr. appeared to decline the offer.

    OBAMA, Condosleeza, Colin Powell, Herman Cane,
    Jesse Jackson,& a host of others appeared to eat
    from the APPLE.
    – We need more people like Bill Cosby

    Harriot Beecher Stowe & Malcolm X might call them
    HOUSE NIGGERS?

    But then if THOMAS PAYNE were alive today, he’d skewer
    the right& left with his writings & oratory by undressing every
    pomposity & perversity.
    The SHADOW controls the SUNSHINE PATRIOTS.
    – From Drug Addict Limbaugh to blatherskite O’Reilly to all
    of the FOX WOLFMEN & TIMES Pharisees, Sad-ducees,
    Scribes, Orwellians, Goebb-elites, Tor-mentors, Prince
    Reformationist, & other “friendly journalist” & oxymoronic,
    military mensa-moronic intelligence traitors!
    > Thomas Payne, would not shy from ascribing the obvious
    T-reason, much like Barry Goldwater tried to do.

    If James Madison were alive, would he ascribe “HIGH CRIMES,”
    to the Distrct of Columbia, Langley, Arlington, Quantico, War
    College, faux g-over-n-men-ts in every Town Hall, State House,
    & Capitol stone man-sions, where the mount ver-non is superior
    to the living?
    – Wouldn’t Donations & Lobbying be exposed as “BRIBERY?”

    If Thomas Jefferson were alive today, and penning the LONG
    TRAIN of ABUSES of the Federal, State, & Local terrorist aka
    political parties, he might quit before he could articulate &
    enumerate the political perversions.

    I note the founding fathers had their own hypocrisies.
    However they left us with a promise towards a “more perfect
    union,” & a conditional evolving document, under Section 7.

  2. 2 jezebel282

    And there goes any relevancy in this thread….

  3. 3 1george1

    Here’s a relevant fact.

    IF ROMNEY is truly a MORMON,
    it’s the ONLY RELIGION
    MADE in AMERICA!

  4. 4 jezebel282

    “it’s the ONLY RELIGION
    MADE in AMERICA!”

    Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses might take exception to that statement. There must be others but I am pressed for time.

    Romney seems to be the candidate pushing for a return to the early 1950’s. I wasn’t thrilled with poodle skirts or DA’s then either.

  5. 5 1george1

    I’ll AMENd to MADE in AMERICA.

    When shown likely facts, I’m willing to admit …..unlike …

  6. 6 sudds

    “The only rule that applies is that you can’t say he’s not the other guy.”

    Why not??? “He’s not Bush” worked in 2008!!!

  7. 7 jezebel282

    “He’s not Bush” worked in 2008!!!”

    I thought it was “he’s not Cheney?”

  8. 8 sudds

    “I thought it was “he’s not Cheney?””

    PInocchio… Geppetto… what’s the difference???

  9. 9 jezebel282

    I seem to recall that Obama ran against….wait a minute…lemme think…oh yeah!…McCain/Palin.

    So “He’s not Bush” wouldn’t have worked anyway.

    But I still want to know why anyone would vote for Romney….on purpose.

  10. 10 ronmoreau

    Because he is a Republican.

  11. 11 jezebel282

    “Because he is a Republican.”

    Ron!
    What did I tell you about voting for anyone just because they have a “D” or “R” after their name?

  12. 12 ronmoreau

    Well at least I didn’t say, because Obama is a Democrat.

  13. 13 ronmoreau

    I believe Mr. Obamas policies are turning this country into a socialist country.

  14. 14 jezebel282

    OK, Ron. This is what happens when you hang around those gang members at the RTC. Next thing you know you’ll be getting RTC tattoos (OK, maybe just wearing lots of polyester and wearing bermudas and black socks) and hanging around country clubs.

    If you keep it up, you’ll be living in the Villages before you know it.

  15. 15 ronmoreau

    LOL. 2 cow theory. Socialism=You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

  16. 17 jezebel282

    “2 cow theory. Socialism=You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.”

    Where the hell is MY cow?
    I can see your point, though. I would much rather pay higher taxes so the deserving rich folk can transfer more money to the Caymans. Lord knows it isn’t easy figuring out how to hide capital gains or interest income. And if I get sick, I can die happy knowing the wealthy have insurance that only they can afford.

  17. 18 1george1

    Below are quotes of positions favored by the anti-religeous who
    choose their path and harmed me and others.
    Moved to: https://stratfordcharter.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/upgrade-now/#comment-19547

  18. 19 1george1

    Corollary theory to Ron’s two cow theory:

    A Guide to U.S. Newspapers

    1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

    2. The New York Times is read by people who think they run the country.

    3. The Washington Post is read by people who think they should run the country.

    4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don’t really understand the Washington Post. They do, however like the smog statistics shown in pie charts.

    5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn’t mind running the country, if they could spare the time, and if they didn’t have to leave L.A. to do it.

    6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country.

    7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren’t too sure who’s running the country, and don’t really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.

    8. The New York Post is read by people who don’t care who’s running the country either, as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.

    9. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren’t sure there is a country, or that anyone is running it; but whoever it is, they oppose all that they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority, feministic atheist dwarfs, who also happen to be illegal aliens from ANY country or galaxy as long as they are democrats.

    10. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country, but need the baseball scores.

  19. I believe Mr. Obamas policies are turning this country into a socialist country.

    As a registered Republican I throw up in my mouth a little every time I hear someone spit out that pablum. It’s like a like a little kid saying “I know you are but what am I?” That’s a four year campaign with less tread on the tires than our illegal Kenyan President. theory.

  20. 23 jezebel282

    David,

    “That’s a four year campaign with less tread on the tires”
    I have to agree.

    Wouldn’t it be great if there was a candidate that had a plan?

  21. 24 sudds

    Ron: “2 cow theory. Socialism=You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.”

    Jez: “Where the hell is MY cow?”

    Sudds: I don’t want a cow… I just want the “milk” for free!!! 😉

  22. 25 jezebel282

    Sudds: … I just want the “milk” for free!!!

    No surprise here. Sudds is a Romney supporter.

  23. 26 sudds

    “Sudds is a Romney supporter.”

    I AM???? This is news to me!!!

    Personally I want a “do over” on the selection of candidates… these two guys are both awful!!

    HILLARY 2016!!!

  24. 27 jezebel282

    “HILLARY 2016!!!”

    I absolutely agree.

  25. In this upcoming election we’re screwed and we’re screwed. Nothing viable about either candidates. There should be a “reformer” party. Same in local politics, the only way to clean house.

  26. 30 jezebel282

    PCS,

    I’m trying my best to remember a presidential election when we had a good choice… gimme a minute…hold on… lemme think…nope, can’t come up with one. Sorry.

    Interestingly, I think this is the first one I can remember where the challenger had nothing. No plan, no conviction, no goal…nothing. Well there was Nixon with his secret “plan” to end the Vietnam War. OK, it sucked, but it was a plan.

  27. 31 1george1

    Will the reformer party be comprised of party retreads?
    Replacing one set of gangsters with another?
    ie. JEZE heroes.

    Should the reformer party be comprised of people who
    actively works towards
    good government,
    identifing problems,
    proposing solutions,
    & has set forth ideas and plans for benefitting Stratford &
    public interest reformation?

  28. 32 jezebel282

    It is hard to imagine a more hypocritical election campaign. One on side you have a party that refuses to coalesce into a viable force for almost anything effective. (Who said Democrats were an organized party?)

    On the other side you have a party that is willing to do and say literally anything to capture power. Even blame the other side for not accomplishing anything because they opposed them every step of the way no matter how small.

    “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told National Journal’s Major Garrett in October.”
    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/mcconnell-stopping-obamas-re-election-still-

    That means every bill proposed requires 60 votes to invoke cloture over threatened filibusters. No matter what they are for. And we wonder why Congress can’t get anything done?

    While we sit here and struggle with this weak economy and high unemployment, you have these guys who block every single proposal and then blame the other guy for being ineffective. It would be funny if all of us weren’t suffering so much.

  29. 33 1george1

    My condolences to the family of Doc Gunther on his passing.

    I posted condolences on 5 places in this BLOG SITE.
    JEZE deleted all 5 places. Doc doesn’t deserve mention &
    his family doesn’t deserve consideration? Disgraceful.

  30. 34 jezebel282

    Was it 4 or was it 5?

  31. 35 1george1

    Jeze deleted 4, as I posted a 5th, which when I went to the
    one place I hadn’t checked, it was there.

    Important point, is that Doc or anyone who passes away
    who has been active in politics, or for any reason, deserves
    respect for being recently departed.

    For being so caring about EMS and helping people, this
    strikes me as being V E R Y COLD!

    I had never read JEZE writing ANYTHING about DOC.
    * DOC was a contemporary of RAY VOCCOLA & I have
    heard several surprizing people praise both of them?

    Different personalities!
    I had mixed experiences.
    “This is Stratford.”
    No other comments at this time.

  32. 36 jezebel282

    Update:

    Interesting.

    Aside from Ron’s claim that “I believe Mr. Obamas policies are turning this country into a socialist country.” And after the RNC event, not a single reader has posted a reason to vote for Romney.

  33. 37 1george1

    Many of the people who have had dealings with young
    Mormans have told me they are very pleased that the
    way young Mormans present themselves as clean cut,
    hard working, and civically oriented who also serve on
    missions for their church.

    I have no personal experience with Mormans.

  34. 38 1george1

    I like Mitt’s haircut better than Obama’s

    I wonder if it’s a WIG or a WHIG?

  35. 39 jezebel282

    “Mormans”

    Maybe you should start looking for “Mormons” instead?

  36. 40 jezebel282

    “Can somebody please explain why anyone should vote for this guy?”

    Really? Nobody can post a single reason to vote for Romney? No one at all?

    Ok…how about Romney’s health plan? That should be easy. Anyone know what it is?

  37. 41 1george1

    Obama’s & Biden’s speech

  38. 42 ronmoreau

    Obama being a lawyer. Time for a professional buisnessman.

  39. 43 cstratct

    Ron, you’re joking right? Mitt Romney has a JD from Harvard. So guess what, he’s a lawyer too. And what exactly is a “professional businessman”? Is there such a thing as an amateur businessman? Maybe we need an actor? Oh right, conservatives hate that liberal bastion of Hollywood. But Ronald Reagan was an actor. Damn these unyielding contradictions. What else do you have? Can you enlighten us with one actual policy Romney would enact as President? If he repeals the Affordable Care Act, what are his presciptions for improving our healthcare system? Does he support the party platform on a personhood amendment? What about DOMA? And exactly what is he proposing for taxes?

  40. 44 ronmoreau

    Chris,

    Yes. I am joking. What difference does it make? They will both make promises they can’t keep. You might just as well flip a coin before entering the voting booth.

  41. 45 1george1

    Ron / Chris
    They each will get the coin.

    Obama & friends will Tax it & drive up expenses where it has
    to pay for higher OIL, FOOD, & other COSTS, for his donators
    like Goldman Sachs.

    Romney will get you to invest it, then take over the company,
    after increasing the debt for Bonus, it would have ZERO PAR
    or BOOK VALUE.
    Then sell it off to his donators like Goldman Sachs.

    Bernie Madoff was scapegoated for taking BILLIONS, but a
    fraction of the NET VALUE STOLEN by GOLDMAN & OIL.

    Samething Miron / Harkins did with Burturla / Kelly + Police +
    Fire upper managment.
    Right JEZE.
    Right MIKE
    Right PROF.

    Watch how quickly JEZE moves “MY” post, since I criticize
    JEZE’S THIEVES.

  42. 46 1george1

    Chris – How’s the family?
    Did your wife have # 2?

    Best part of Sudds post are the avatar pictures
    & I suspect Sudds would agree.

  43. 47 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “You might just as well flip a coin before entering the voting booth.”

    While probably true, it was a pleasure to listen to the Democrats this week (you know, as a human being) as opposed the Republicans the week before.

  44. 48 jezebel282

    Ron,

    “Time for a professional buisnessman.”

    Hey! Wait a minute! Wasn’t Bush a “buisnessman”?

  45. 49 jezebel282

    George,

    “Watch how quickly JEZE moves “MY” post, since I criticize
    JEZE’S THIEVES.”

    Nope. I’m just surprised you left out the BOE. It’s half the budget isn’t it? You pretty much accuse everyone else of everything.

  46. 50 1george1

    I’m just surprised you left out the BOE.

    NOW that you mention it …..

    I bought things i wanted to donate for schools.
    After dealing with both parties, I decided what
    ever i donated would only be stolen ….

    There are a lot of good people involved or
    employed. However it’s kinda like the FIRM.

    JEZE your buddy Gavin appears to being set
    up to be the next MAYOR.
    Harkins’ Business is poised to make BIG $$.

  47. 51 1george1

    The PENSION OBLIGATION in 5 + years with Gavin
    on the Town Council went up faster than the 3 + years
    people were retiring under MIRON.

  48. 52 jezebel282

    “U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement
    September 11, 2012

    The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.”

    And what exactly was it that Romney found wrong with this?

    Oh..and by the way, it turns out that the guy who produced the “film” in question is neither Israeli nor Jewish.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/sam-bacile-anti-islam-filmmakers-bio-add/story?id=17222103#.UFEdGFHLmPU

    So instead of decrying terrorist violence in Libya, Romney picks one statement out of millions from an embassy in another country to criticize. Never mind the sequence. Never mind the country. Never mind the cause. Never mind the consequences.

    So…tell me again (actually for the first time) why anyone would vote for Romney?

  49. 53 1george1

    Why can’t Jerusalem be the capital of Israel + Palestein?
    Why can’t the whole area be like NYC?
    Within each Borough there are mini-ghettos of kinda segregated
    ethnic areas like, little italy, chinatown, irish, jewish, puerto rican,
    whatever …..And there are highly integrated areas too!

    In the 1960s Fairfield’s Jewish population tended to be inland nearer
    Bridgeport, not far from the JCC + ICC, which were side by side.
    In Southport + Greenfield Hill (inland) were the richer areas which
    tended to be WASP.

    Irish + Catholic lived in the low lands & mostly along Fairfield’s coast.

    What i never realized growing up, was that there has been a stupid
    cultural War, among all the different groups, in part due to religion
    & in part due to country of origin, & in part due to the class system
    in each country, like lace curtain vs. shanty irish or irish orange vs.
    irish green, which is not just protestant vs. catholic, since there are
    many who are neither.

    Amongth that back drop, they bought in GE to Fairfield & a different
    Mafia family, which were more than just italian, and they also took
    over the political parties & had the Bar Owners sell & move out of
    town.

    Living in Stratford, there are hidden groups clashing behind the
    scenes & each messing with innocents.
    NONE & I MEAN NONE of the USUAL SUSPECTS don’t have
    BLOOD on their HANDS.

    Why vote for Mitt?
    Maybe because there aren’t many Mormons in Stratford & an
    outside cult or religion, might actually cause much of the non
    sense to cease?
    I doubt it?
    I don’t see him as any different.
    But there’s a reason to consider voting for a group that has
    less than 1% of the American population?

  50. 54 jezebel282

    George,

    “Why can’t Jerusalem be the capital of Israel + Palestein?”

    Because one side wants to kill the other side. That’s why.

  51. 55 appalledandamused

    It would seem that most Republicans don’t like Romney or what his campaign stands to do given his allegiance to Ryan’s budget and to destroying Medicare and Social Security and cutting taxes on the wealthiest. But that they will vote for Romney anyway as part of some ancient blood feud/tribal custom and racism. When asked why we get the usual [goofball] excuses starting with Socialism and not being a citizen somewhere after that. I’ve seen the ‘lawyer’ excuse pop up as well, but the fact that Romney is a lawyer stopped that one in its tracks.

    What it boils down to is racism, racism and racism — molded, sanded and buffed to look like a legitimate ‘concern’ about an assortment of nonsensical GOP pablum against the man in the White House.

  52. 56 sudds

    “What it boils down to is racism, racism and racism”

    How exactly (other than “we have nothing else”) does it boil down to racism when Romney would need people who voted for Obama in 2008 to vote for him in 2012???

    I mean it can’t possibly about the stalled economy, massive unemployment numbers, failed stimulus spending, health care reform that less than 50% of the country wants, etc, etc, etc… could it???

  53. 57 sudds

    PS…

    If you want to talk about racism, perhaps you should try looking elsewhere (like… eeh gads, WTF?… the NY TIMES?!?!?)

    “Four years ago, Barack Obama captured 95 percent of the black vote.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/us/politics/romney-courts-black-vote-an-obama-strength-in-08.html

  54. 58 sudds

    And before you call ME a racist… I voted for Obama!!! 😛

  55. 59 sudds

    One last thing…

    “but the fact that Romney is a lawyer”

    I wonder if Romney knows the he passed the bar exam (since he’s never even taken it).

    My Lord… where do you get your research… Chris Matthews???

  56. 60 jezebel282

    Suds, Sudds, Sudds,

    “I wonder if Romney knows the he passed the bar exam”

    “Governor Romney received his B.A., with Highest Honors, from Brigham Young University in 1971. In 1975, he was awarded an MBA from Harvard Business School, where he was named a Baker Scholar, and a J.D., cum laude, from Harvard Law School.” (J.D. stands for Juris Doctor…like a lawyer, ya know?)
    http://www.gopmall.com/candidates/president/mitt-romney/

    Maybe he just didn’t think practicing law was lucrative enough?

    “the stalled economy, massive unemployment numbers, failed stimulus spending, health care reform that less than 50% of the country wants,”

    Wow! I’m surprised you haven’t blamed Obama for the Broncos not winning a Super bowl in the last 3.5 years too. Oh wait…it has been 13 years hasn’t it? Should we blame Bush?

    I do think appalledandamused has a point about racism. But I also think that having a Tea Party controlled Republican party that opposed every single bill not introduced by themselves is a huge reason the economy just sits there. We’ve had 12 of the last 14 years of congressional coddling of “job creators” and their bankers. We already know how that worked out.

    To the best of my knowledge of economics, the problem of a stalled/shrinking economy is not that rich people don’t have enough money. The problem seems to be the rest of us don’t have enough to spend in order to create jobs for ourselves.

    The points you brought up (you know, like “failed” stimulus…) would need topics of their own to adequately discuss.

    On the other hand, I have not heard/read a single proposal from Romney about how he would actually fix those things.

  57. 61 mikereynolds

    Why is it that if someone opposes this President the racism label comes up? Can’t you be against him and not be a racist?

  58. 62 jezebel282

    Mike,

    “Can’t you be against him and not be a racist?”

    Sure! But you can’t be against him because he’s a “socialist”. Bernie Sanders yes. Obama no. Not even close. You ought to hang out with more socialists.

  59. 63 sudds

    “J.D. stands for Juris Doctor…like a lawyer, ya know?”

    Having a law degree and being a lawyer are two COMPLETELY different things! Just ask JFK, Jr.!! Oh wait… 😛

  60. 64 sudds

    “Why is it that if someone opposes this President the racism label comes up? Can’t you be against him and not be a racist?”

    Apparently not!!!

  61. 65 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “Just ask JFK, Jr.!! Oh wait…”

    That’s just cold.
    Got any dead baby jokes to go with that? (No wait! You probably do. Never mind!)

    “Having a law degree and being a lawyer are two COMPLETELY different things!”
    As I said, maybe he just didn’t think he could make as much money being a practicing lawyer. Maybe buying companies, acquiring their assets and putting them out of business was easier than taking the exam.

  62. 66 jezebel282

    Err…and JFK Jr (J.D. NYU Law School) did pass the New York Bar exam and was an assistant district attorney.

  63. 67 sudds

    “FK Jr (J.D. NYU Law School) did pass the New York Bar exam and..”

    I know he did… but how many attempts did it take him to pass it… and why would he bother if a J.D. is the same thing as being a lawyer???

  64. 68 jezebel282

    “why would he bother if a J.D. is the same thing as being a lawyer???”

    I dunno. Maybe he should have chosen less attractive study partners?

    Are you saying that Romney wasn’t smart enough to pass a bar exam after graduating from Harvard Law?

  65. 69 1george1

    George,

    “Why can’t Jerusalem be the capital of Israel + Palestein?”

    Because one side wants to kill the other side. That’s why.

    ACTUALLY there are people on both sides who want to
    KILL EACH OTHER.

    Further, there is MUCH $$ to be made selling AMMO to the
    SIDES who have the BADDER weapons, while ROCKS for
    SLING SHOTS are PLENTIFUL.
    – Are the local Manufacturing plants for EXPLOSIVES to blow
    up ARMORED VEHICLES.

    A bonus for the ROYAL HOUSES of EUROPE & SOME of the
    LESS PIUS among the Religious SECT is that the ONGOING
    NON SENSE makes them look a little LESS GUILTY in the
    CONTEXT of HISTORY.

    1) American & British, backing ISRAEL are PROTESTANT
    CRUSADERS, not CATHOLIC.
    A) Popes & others called for Crusades (non sequitur)
    B) Kings & Princes raised Catholic Armies to KILL Infideles
    in the name of GOD. (non sequitur)
    C) Kings & Princes gleefully watched competition go into
    Catholic Armies to KILL Infideles in the name of GOD, which
    left them free to seize LAND, when defenseless. (non sequitur)

    2) The INFATADA compares to the CHILDREN’S CRUSADE.
    A) Kids against adults
    B) Rocks against swords / arrows > guns / tanks

    3) The PALESTINIANS compare the ISRAELI’S to NAZI’S
    A) There’s about a 10:1 ratio rule of deaths or prisoners
    B) All sides share plenty of blame as the Christian / Catholic
    countries gladly shipped the Jews to go fight Moslems which
    further lowers the count of Jews in Europe. Oh, the number
    of non Jews who died in Europe is kinda like the way the U.S.
    Military & Media only counts American DEAD & WOUNDED.

    4) When the NAZIs surrounded JEWS & Others in Concentration
    CAMPS. they were surrounded by BARBED WIRES & WALLS.
    A) Now the ISRAELI’S surround MOSLEMS by BARBED WIRE
    & OTHER WALLS.
    B) Now the ISRAELI’S surround themselves by BARBED WIRE
    & OTHER WALLS.

    Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties,
    nations and epochs, it is the rule.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
    German philosopher (1844 – 1900)

    Just for the record, I’m against anyone killing anyone else.
    SELF DEFENSE is legitimate cause. However ….

  66. 70 1george1

    “What it boils down to is racism, racism and racism”

    How exactly (other than “we have nothing else”) does it boil down to racism when Romney would need people who voted for Obama in 2008 to vote for him in 2012???

    I mean it can’t possibly about the stalled economy, massive unemployment numbers, failed stimulus spending, health care reform that less than 50% of the country wants, etc, etc, etc… could it???

    PS…

    If you want to talk about racism, perhaps you should try looking elsewhere (like… eeh gads, WTF?… the NY TIMES?!?!?)

    “Four years ago, Barack Obama captured 95 percent of the black vote.”

    “Why is it that if someone opposes this President the racism label comes up? Can’t you be against him and not be a racist?”

    Apparently not!!!

    ——————— GEORGE ———————-

    The Political Conventions reminded me of “Star Trek’s
    Ferengi versus Borg.”

    One group wants to steal everything and can’t tell the truth.

    The other group wants to assimilate or destroy everything.

    Resistance is futile and truth is irrelevant!

    Federation?
    Became: Klingons, and Dominion changelings.

    ————————————————————

    JEZE:
    “Just ask JFK, Jr.!! Oh wait…” That’s just cold.
    Got any dead baby jokes to go with that?
    (No wait! You probably do. Never mind!)

    GEO:
    Democrats favor ABORTION & claim to be against
    WAR & the DEATH PENALTY?

    Republicans favor WAR & the DEATH PENALTY,
    & claim to be against ABORTION?

    If those PLATFORMS are serious, where’s the logic?
    DEAD BABIES?
    DEAD ADULTS?

    Democrats favor Jerusalem as Israeli’s Capital
    & then BOO GOD?

    Without GOD & the 10 Commandments, why do
    Jews, Catholics, Moslems, Christians, Masons &
    Shriners have ANY justification or rationalization?

    People favor ABORTION, which apPARENTly their
    mother & father choose to IGNORE?

    – You whackos need the TIN FOIL HATS!

    Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties,
    nations and epochs, it is the rule.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
    German philosopher (1844 – 1900)

  67. 71 jezebel282

    And there goes the thread….

  68. 74 stfdprofessor1

    …AND THIS GARBAGE IS EXACTLY WHY there are are fewer and fewer intelligent posters on this blog.

  69. 75 jezebel282

    But back to the topic:

    Aside from angry white guys, does anyone have a reason to vote for Romney?

    If you’re going to vote for Romney, I’m thinkin’ you should have a reason. Something about social, economic, policy (foreign or domestic), education, health…anything at all? Or is it just a mystery and you’ve got your fingers crossed?

  70. 76 sudds

    Here’s a simple “test”…

    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/01/4456551/obama-vs-romney-where-they-stand.html

    I’m 9 (Romney) – 4 (Obama)… and I threw out the Social Security one as both plans just kick the can further down the road!!!

  71. 77 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    Kinda far from definitive. Which 9? None of the 14 seemed clear. Well except for Romney completely agreeing with the NRA, making abortions illegal and, of course being anti gay everything.

  72. 78 1george1

    …AND THIS GARBAGE IS EXACTLY WHY there are
    are fewer and fewer intelligent posters on this blog.

    FEWER?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Although anti violence, I believe everyone should be trained
    in how to handle rifles. R E S P E C T !!
    As a kid, I had marksman expertise.
    Knowing the damage they can do, is important into making
    an informed decision.
    Violence begets violence.
    Viscious cycles are …. viscious.

  73. 79 stfdprofessor1

    Wow, kind of bordering on a veiled threat Georgie porgie, guess you have a reason to vote for Romney now, you and the rest of the mindless lemmings in the NRA. Why don’t you spend more time on the target range and leave the blogging for those who try to stay on track? As for me I can think of no reason to vote for either presidential candidate, but I will be there to vote against Linda McMahon.

  74. In the 1960s Fairfield’s Jewish population tended to be inland nearer
    Bridgeport, not far from the JCC + ICC, which were side by side.
    In Southport + Greenfield Hill (inland) were the richer areas which
    tended to be WASP.

    It starts off with a pretty good grasp of the cultural structure of the town, not that anyone understands the relevance, But then……………….

    Amongth that back drop, they bought in GE to Fairfield & a different
    Mafia family, which were more than just italian, and they also took
    over the political parties & had the Bar Owners sell & move out of
    town…………………….

    He couldn’t help himself. George the next time you want to give us a history lesson on Fairfield, let me know. I grew up there from 1960 through the 80’s. Both of my parents were RTM members, as well as fire commissioner and commissioner of the Affordable Housing Authority from it’s inception. Mom got a good laugh when I forwarded her your post. She refuses to tell me which mafia family she was aligned with so maybe there is something to your post.

    Despite which side of the Bain Capital argument you take I do believe Romney to be a good business man. The Salt Lake Olympics is something he should be given a lot of credit for. What he doesn’t seem to get is he will have to work with a boatload of Congressman and senators that haven’t had an honest job in forever. The other problem is he’s half a tick from being a Democrat and everyone in his party knows it. He did a good job in Massachusetts and he is is running from it. He has much in common with Obama, Sudds link bears that out if you look hard enough.

    As to racism, socialist is the new black. It’s been clear from day one that the turnout by minorities in the 2008 election caught a lot of people off guard, which I found surprising considering Clinton’s standing in the minority community. It was desperation that Palin was put on a ticket with a stodgy old man to offset it and the last four years have been less about Republican “values” and more about running the uppity president out of office.

    I’m willing to give Romney a listen but he needs to wow me in the debates because at this point I’m willing to stick with the devil I know.

  75. As for Romney and guns, again per Sudds link, how does anyone call him a NRA lemming? Flip flop yes.

    ROMNEY: Opposes stricter gun control laws. Suggested after the Colorado theater shooting that he favors tougher enforcement of existing gun laws. As Massachusetts governor, vowed in 2002 to protect the state’s “tough gun laws,” and in 2004 signed a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons.

  76. 82 jezebel282

    David,

    I’m not sure about the “good businessman” part. It’s one thing to get people to do the things you want them to do when you pay them or offer them a boatload of cash and another because they want to do it.

    “and in 2004 signed a Massachusetts ban on assault weapons.”

    Well, kinda my point. What reason does anyone have to vote for a candidate that only has a current position? Did something change about assault weapons since 2004? Are they safer now? Have the mass killings stopped?

    Forget about healthcare that’s just too easy. What’s up with the anti-gay, anti-contraception, anti-abortion, anti-almost everything else that’s not “you’re on your own”. Tea-Party pandering? Making angry white guys happy?

  77. Here’s where the Republican Catholic David comes out.

    You don’t need to be anti-gay to oppose same sex marriage. It may be semantics but you can have equal rights with regards to insurance without dragging a religious term into it. And that’s all that subject is really about so why make marriage a hot button issue? The last I checked, Allstate and AFLAC has nothing to do with the separation of church and state. Both sides forget the basic tenet.

    I don’t have a problem with contraception. I also don’t believe it’s the government’s job to fund it. But we’ve gone from the ridiculous “Just say no” to the sublime “Post calorie counts on Big Macs so we know why we’re lard asses” women want the right to there own bodies. Should I indirectly pay for them not to pay attention to their menstrual cycle or the word no? Should they not pay attention to that should I then indirectly pay for their abortion? Where does it end?

    Putting anti in front of a word does a disservice to the word, It draws a line that at the end of the day keeps two sides that profess to have morals from agreeing that they’ve looked up the word. That doesn’t apply to gay rights though, I think that as caregivers and partners they should have a say with their legacy but as a caregiver to a woman that I cared for and lived a relationship through to her death how about I be given the same rights?

    Since when did you’re on your own become a bad thing? Was it when we decided to neuter the church and forget it taught us about consequences and how we were the only ones responsible for our actions? And why did the government get the idea that the insurance companies are responsible for our inability to control ourselves at the same time they decided we shouldn’t pay to be idiots?

  78. 84 jezebel282

    David,

    “The last I checked, Allstate and AFLAC has nothing to do with the separation of church and state.”

    Oh they most certainly do. Everything from who can be insured on a policy to HIPAA to taxes to bankruptcy are defined by whether or not you are married. In fact, the States have had the authority to perform civil marriages for a couple of hundred years. What used to be called “mixed” marriages ( Catholic & Protestant, Christian & Jew, etc) were not condoned by a religion so the State provided the civil grounds. I guess today a “mixed marriage” would be defined as one hetero and one homo partner. In any event, if you belong to a church that prohibits same sex marriage that is your choice. No one is suggesting you should leave it. On the other hand, your church should not prohibit non-members from following their own beliefs.

    “I don’t have a problem with contraception. I also don’t believe it’s the government’s job to fund it.”

    Why not? Most prescription policies cover all sorts of preventive medications. Statins (Lipitor) come to mind immediately. People with high cholesterol could alternatively give up steaks, cheeseburgers, french fries, gravy, sausage & peppers, milkshakes, cheeses, bacon, cookies (sorry…I got carried away). You know, kinda like just saying “No”? In fact statins are more expensive than most birth control meds. If it helps you frame the thought, think of being a woman as being susceptible to a condition known as “pregnant”. Certainly a life changing consequence. As it happens, very few men are as susceptible.

    “it taught us about consequences”
    There is a difference between consequences and responsibility. When the non-observant driver broadsides my car, I want lots of government employees there right away. Send them all! Police, fire and ems. I also want safe roads, mass transportation, navigable rivers and waterways, my streets plowed, bridges that don’t fall down, somebody watching airplanes as they fly, someone to catch criminals (including bankers) and someone to build a ball field so that I can pit my skills and talent against someone else’s team.

    “And why did the government get the idea that the insurance companies are responsible for our inability to control ourselves”

    Because we are human and subject to the conditions of that humanity. As an aside, it would seem to me that free or low cost contraception would be the optimal defense against abortion.

    But I suppose we can all take heart in that Romney will sooner or later support both sides.

  79. 88 1george1

    For now ….
    Only 1 comment on a good debate between David & Jeze who
    post from Republican Catholic & Democratic Jewish perspectives,
    that are not necessarily reflective of the four noted groups.

    My comment is about the FOUNDATION of your BELIEFS related
    to the SPECIFICS upon which you DEBATE

    If your otherwise very sound arguments are based on BELIEFS
    which later can be proven FALSE … does it or does it not stand
    to follow that your DECISIONS are IMPAIRED because of the
    INFORMED (aspect) was UNTRUE?

  80. 90 1george1

    MAYBE here’s a REASON to VOTE for MITT or against INCUMBANTS?
    I think I’ll get SUDDS endorsement?

    Subject; Wise Investment–Good to know in this economy:

    A wise investment?
    If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines
    one year ago, you would have $49.00 today!

    If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago,
    you would have $33.00 today.

    If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers
    one year ago, you would have $0.00 today.

    But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago,
    drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for the
    recycling refund, you would have received $214.00 .

    Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to
    drink heavily & recycle.

    It is called the 401-Keg.

    And as a bonus…
    A recent study found that the average American walks about
    900 miles a year.

    Another study found that on average Americans drink 22 gallons
    of alcohol a year.

    That means that the average American gets about 41 miles
    to the gallon!

    Makes you damned proud to be an American

  81. 91 cstratct

    I have to jump in on the contraception issue and marriage issue. With regard to contraception, it is a healthcare decision and neither an insurance company nor the government should be allowed to make the decision of what is appropriate. Religious organizations should not have the ability to dictate what healthcare a person has a right to access. And David, no offense, but that Catholicism bias is really exposed when it comes to sexual activity. Having been raised Catholic, I understand very well the church’s views on sex, but the reality is that your comments and the church’s views are really out-of-line, especially when you don’t know an individual’s circumstances. “Should I indirectly pay for them not to pay attention to their menstrual cycle or the word no? Should they not pay attention to that should I then indirectly pay for their abortion?” This line of thinking is driven by religious dogman and not only insulting but completely uninformed. Perhaps you only have sex to procreate and not for any personal pleasure, but just because others enjoy sex doesn’t mean they’re not being responsible adults.

    Also, your comment about neutering the church is really beyond the pale. There is no mention of God in the Constitution, and the only mention of religion is to point out that the government will not establish a religion. No one “neutered” the church. It’s just that there are people that don’t believe what you believe with respect to religion. The Catholic church is no more right or wrong than any other religion, but to suggest that others should be held to your religious standards and beliefs with respect to their personal lives is ridiculous. Again choosing to use contraception is seen by many as a responsible choice, religious doctrine nothwithstanding.

    Finally it is the religious right that is making gay marriage an issue. No one is trying to force any religious institution to perform a marriage for a gay couple. But having religious institutions try to deny those couples the same legal rights other adults have is deplorable. And it is the Republican party that seeks to enshrine that denial in the US Constitution. It is in the party platform, along with many other ideas that are in direct opposition to the freedoms all people in this country are supposed to enjoy.

  82. 92 jezebel282

    CS,

    I have to say, you’ve come down a bit harshly on Mr. Durgy. He is not the Pope after all. No need to bash his religion.

    You can find inconsistencies and dogma that is plainly opposed to reality in any religion. That’s why they all require a leap of faith (to quote another religious figure). It’s OK to believe.

    Quick example:

    St. Vincent’s included in Jewish sacred perimeter
    Amanda Cuda
    Carrying objects in public is one of the activities that’s prohibited on Saturday, which is the Sabbath in Judaism. However, there is a loophole that allows the Sabbath-observant to carry items within a perimeter called an eruv (pronounced AY-roov).
    Barely visible to the naked eye, the eruv usually consists of thin wires stretched between telephone poles and other structures in a certain geographical area.
    Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/St-Vincent-s-included-in-Jewish-sacred-perimeter-3867802.php#ixzz26dDQ9VOX

    Really? The string makes it OK? I suppose if it makes everyone feel better then OK, fine. It doesn’t keep Catholics out and let’s observant Jews in. Anything that includes more people is generally a good thing.

    The problems occur when religion seeps into politics and other people’s lives. Civilizations have a real problem with that. Sometimes it is difficult to discern the difference between religion and politics. It seems the Republican party would like to blur those lines even more when it is convenient for them.

    Aside from the obvious fact that no civilization (including ours) can exist without government, it appears that Romney/Ryan’s position is that all government is evil. That is crazy. Especially when you consider that they are applying for government jobs. This “you’re on your own” ideology is ok if you are very wealthy and can afford to be “on your own”. The rest of us need affordable healthcare, social security, medicare, medicaid (most of which goes directly to eldercare), education, interstate highways and clean air and water.

    As for this personal responsibility line of argument it pretty much ignores the humanity of people. Some are simply more responsible than others who are less so. Otherwise we would have no use for courts or police. But I find it especially galling when told this by a congressman who refuses to accept responsibility for leading the opposition of everything.

    Mr. Durgy:

    “as a caregiver to a woman that I cared for and lived a relationship through to her death how about I be given the same rights?”

    I empathize with you. I have been a witness to those situations and powerless to help. However, I would like you to consider that the LGBT community is simply asking for those very rights that were denied to you. They are willing to say “I do” to make it happen.

  83. 93 cstratct

    Jezebel,

    Give me a break. I didn’t bash his religion. I was brought up Catholic. I understand the doctrine quite well. It was Mr. Durgy’s comments that deserved ridicule. The judgement imposed by Mr. Durgy on those who don’t subcribe to Catholic doctrine regarding sexual activity is what could rightly be considered “bashing.” In case you missed it, this is what could rightly be considered ‘bashing’: “Should I indirectly pay for them not to pay attention to their menstrual cycle or the word no? Should they not pay attention to that should I then indirectly pay for their abortion?” Accusing others of being irresponsible and condemning their activities based only on what a particular religion commands is unacceptable, and no religious doctrine should be employed to guide government policy. There are plenty of countries where that is the case and we certainly don’t need that in the United States. Having deeply held personal religious beliefs is fine, but those beliefs should never be used to dictate policy nor condemn or discriminate against other individuals.

    So while I agree that it is “okay to believe,” it is certainly not okay to bludgeon others with religious dogma simply because they don’t hold the same beliefs.

    I agree with the rest of your post, although I would point out that while there are some who are more responsible than others, there are many situations where very responsible people are backed into horrible situations through no fault of their own. Further, they are unable to amend the sitation regardless of the degree of responsibility they hold. Our society creates certain barriers and impediments that no degree of responsibility can overcome. If there was true equality maybe this responsibility concept would hold true in all cases, but we all know that is not true, even in America in 2012.

  84. 94 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Give me a break.”
    Maybe I’m just proposing a kinder, gentler blog.

    “backed into horrible situations through no fault of their own.”
    There are at least 23 million people who will agree with you. Making “job creators” richer didn’t seem to work.

    While Mr. Durgy would like other people to be more responsible (I assume he is extremely responsible) that cannot be accomplished by a legislature. The best method is called “parents”. As we know, income level does not indicate parenting skills.People do stupid and irresponsible things all the time. This falls within my rule of thumb for living: Never do anything you’ll have to explain to the EMT later.

    The basic unfairness of biology is reinforced by Mr. Durgy’s position. The “just say no” school of thought places the responsibility of sexual activity solely upon the female. No horse runs a race with a fat jockey. Weights are placed on every other horse to make the race fair. Or put in another way, if men got pregnant, I’m not sure how much Mr. Durgy would insist that contraception not be covered.

    “pay for them not to pay attention to their menstrual cycle”
    I’ll give you this one, CS. This statement is just plain stupid.
    (Want another drink, Honey? Can I see your calendar?)

  85. 95 1george1

    Maybe I’m just proposing a kinder, gentler blog.

    1) LONG, LONG, LONG OVERDUE.
    However, I shall reply in kind to a less kind blogger kept in
    this blog string & I include my reply – comments to the Chris
    / Jeze exchange, relative to Mr. Durgy.

    2) “Professor’s posts” exposes “that creature” as a “pathetic
    example” of the consistent nature of the bloggers, much like
    the selfish (swedish?) slime slugs sucking society.
    > It references my family trageties, devoid of compassion or
    humanity, so typical of JEZINISTAS. I would NEVER mock your
    families’ DEATHS or hardships.
    > It knows I’m not retired. Yet it appears to be a sensitive issue
    to the creature, as thought IT knows IT is GUILTY. Having a
    sense of GUILT is a sign of potential redeeming qualities.
    > I could reply as nasty & hurtful as IT, yet I settle for just a
    couple of petty adjectives, to raise IT’s blood pressure, since
    IT appears to be easily ruffled.

    3) Chris, David, & I, apparently were raised Catholic.

    I suspect one would agree we have different perspectives &
    NOT Monolithic as a Monotheastic Religion prefers?

    > Contraception issue in a diverse nation with many different
    cultures, religions, & beliefs is not a cookie cutter issue.
    * Rules have always been made, mostly by men. Women &
    men have different perspectives, born of obvious differences.
    Not a cookie cutter issue.
    * Sanctity of LIFE? Shouldn’t it be an issues.
    R = ANTI – ABORTION but PRO DEATH PENALTY + WAR
    D = ANTI WAR + DEATH PENALTY but PRO ABORTION,
    disguised as PRO CHOICE
    > Gay – Hetero issue isn’t just an extreme RIGHT ISSUE.
    It should be a NON ISSUE, from my perspective.
    Equal means Equal. Not superior. Not inferior.
    Equal RIGHTS / PAY / OPPORTUNITIES
    I conceed it’s not a cookie cutter issue. Situations have nuances.

    4) LAWS are DICTATORIAL. They are also subjective.
    Do we prefer ORDER or CHAOS?
    Whose Laws?
    Whose Ethics?
    Whose Morality?
    I cherry pick from Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, Masonic, & others.

    That means I’m NOT a Catholic as defined as the Church, who
    accepts & practices the Sacraments.

    Regardless of the polemics in this NOT ALL ALL KIND BLOG,
    where I can defend myself stooping to the level of some who
    are stup-id, my treatment of people is generally as good or
    better than among the best of each religion or belief,
    > I have special appreciation for medical & scientific people,
    who generally conduct themselves consistently with the Pagan
    HIPOCRATES & the HIPOCRATIC OATH.
    > HIPOCRATIC OATH is against ABORTION
    > HIPOCRATIC OATH is against SURGERY
    * My mother was the 2nd Heart Operation in CT & our family
    choose not to have abortions. We lost a younger sister @ birth.
    Very few situations are cookie cutter decisions.
    Wouldn’t it be nice …. IF …

    5) JEZE + CHRIS + DAVID make legitimate points.
    Reasonable people can agree to disagree.
    Reasonable people can respect other peoples positions.
    Reasonable people are compassionate & decent relative to
    respecting the health & safety of others & that people love
    & care for family, usually friends, & often other people.
    At least that’s my perspective & opinion.

  86. 96 jezebel282

    George:

    “Regardless of the polemics in this NOT ALL ALL KIND BLOG”

    Please list all the kind blogs/newspapers that let you post page after page of whatever it is that pops into your head.

  87. 99 1george1

    Does everyone else only THINK INSIDE blog string BOXES?

  88. 100 jezebel282

    George,

    “Does everyone else only THINK INSIDE blog string BOXES?”

    YES!

    Otherwise you would just have a wall with random posts and no coherent conversation.

    Kinda like all of your posts except on steroids. When everyone posts nonsense, no one reads it. This blog would then serve no purpose and end. It would not be worth the effort.
    It is impossible to have a single discussion on a particular topic when you interrupt every opinion by posting your graffiti after nearly every comment.

    As you know, I am a very patient editor. But fair warning: even I have limits. While not at my limit yet, I can surely see it.

  89. 101 1george1

    🙂

  90. 102 1george1

    YES MEN ONLY need BLOG. LIKE ROMNEY-OBAMA crews.

  91. 103 1george1

    What are the VISIONS & PLANS?

    How can one make informed decisions, without facts?

  92. 104 1george1

    On the graphics behind Romney, I can’t make out whether
    it’s a SCALE with a platform hanging from either side ….

    or if it’s 2 people being hung?

    Not so good if you are the one being hung.

    If you are appealing to the majority who like piling on &
    hanging people as a Sunday sport, then it might win you
    an election.

    If Romney comes out with a plan for Gasoline / Heating Oil
    for $ 1 a gallon & to have a fair trial for those who caused
    or allowed 9/11/2001, I’d consider voting for him.

    Obama’s policies didn’t do it.

    Goldman Sachs executives bet against America & made tons
    of money at the expense of the General Population ….
    Goldman Sacks executived filled the Bush & Obama White
    Houses…… Does anyone know if they are donating to MITT?
    I honestly do NOT know …..
    What I suspect is different … 😉

    While Occupy Wall Street acts up now, where are the TEA PARTY
    to raise questions about B O T H political parties, & not acts as the
    lap dogs or front for the PALINdrones?

    I don’t watch FOX or the RIGHT
    I don’t watch the LEFT

    I have watched & listened to the Candidates.

    Like Harkins they don’t say anything of Substance.
    Like Miron, when they slip & say something of substance,
    it seems to fail the fact check?

    Maybe there will be an OCTOBER SURPRIZE causing everyone
    to WANT MITT?
    Or Obama?
    Or …. I have an idea … LET’S START a WRITE IN CAMPAIGN
    for JEZE?

    Regardless of the ISSUE ….JEZE posts an answer … unlike ..

    Although I’m teasing, I’m not teasing about this ….
    JEZE, CHRIS, PORTIA, & a FEW OTHERS actual post MORE
    SUBSTANCE than either Presidential Candiate…. Fact jack!

  93. 106 jezebel282

    Romney: Obama voters ‘believe they are victims’

    “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,’’ Romney is shown saying in a video published by the magazine. ‘‘There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. …’’

    He starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. ”
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012/09/17/romneys-47-remark/57797246/1

    I guess we know one of Romney’s position now.

    Oh! And about that “46%”:

    “About 46 percent of Americans owed no federal income tax in 2011, although many of them paid other forms of taxes. More than 16 million elderly Americans avoid federal income taxes solely because of tax breaks that apply only to seniors, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center…
    Many of the Americans who owe no income tax are reprieved because basic exemptions — such as the ‘‘standard deduction’’ — took their taxable income below the cutoff levels. The other half rely mainly on a variety of tax breaks, such as the credit that helps offset child care costs.

    These Americans range from the very poor to solidly middle-class families with jobs, homes, cars and vacations. The Tax Policy Center says ‘‘relatively few nontaxable households’’ have incomes exceeding $100,000; families that make between $50,000 and $100,000 often owe no income tax because of breaks for their kids and for education.

    Americans who pay no federal income tax still often pay an array of other taxes. They include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare, sales taxes, property taxes and state and local taxes.”
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/candidates/romney/2012/09/17/romney-nearly-half-believe-they-are-victims/XqxCd5YyCXlSdtdNKZxCNL/story.html

    47 % of Americans are bloodsucking deadbeats? Whew!

  94. 107 1george1

    Inspired by “my post” that 50 % of elidgible voters don’t vote,
    however the CORP POLLS claim the race is
    48 % Obama 47% Mitt 5% Undecided?

    It’s fun inspiring others to think & project their perspective! 😉

  95. 108 1george1

    I wonder how far this blog reaches?

  96. 109 1george1

    Federal Cuts Could Push 40 Million Into Poverty
    Sunday, 16 Sep 2012 10:25 PM

    By Newsmax Wires

    Read more: 40 Million Americans Under Threat of Falling Into Poverty

    http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/Americans-poverty-weidemer-aftershock/2012/09/13/id/451772?PROMO_CODE=10108-1

    The number of Americans living in poverty has surged 27% in the last six years, adding further strains on an already struggling economic recovery.

    Forty-six million Americans are now living in poverty, an increase of 10 million since the beginning of the “Great Recession” of 2006. That’s 15% of the country’s population.

    “It’s hard to overlook the fact that 1 in 7 Americans are at or below poverty,” said Ron Christie, a Republican political strategist.

    MORE …

  97. 111 1george1

    Does JEZE have a SENSE of IRONY & HUMOR?

    2 B continued ….

  98. 113 1george1

    Sudds … was there first.
    Tin Foil hat off to someone pointing out the obvious!

  99. 114 jezebel282

    “Does JEZE have a SENSE of IRONY & HUMOR?”

    Answer: No.

  100. 115 jezebel282

    But back to the topic…

    Obviously, Mr. Romney thinks it is a problem that “47% of Americans pay no income tax”. As we have seen, this statement is…well, just plain wrong. In fact, we believe that this 47% of Americans would love to be taxed at Romney’s rate of 13%. But beyond that, Congress in its wisdom had decided that deductions to gross income were a good thing. Of the 47% that “pay no income tax” many will deduct mortgage interest, property tax, State income tax, dependents, Health Savings Account contributions, charitable donations, energy improvements, a very small portion of tuition payments and other minor deductions leaving an overpayment (refund) of federal income taxes.

    By implication, Romney’s solution for reducing the percentage of people paying no income tax is to eliminate these deductions while promoting a zero capital gains and interest income rate. As reinforcement/justification of this statement, Romney obviously used a keyword search (the keyword being “redistribution”) of Obama’s speeches. They came up with an address from 14 years ago at Loyola University where Obama was talking about the Chicago Housing Authority and School District and how inefficiently they were structured . Really? That’s what the GOP has?

    We find this particular piece of oration to Romney donors to be outstandingly offensive to working Americans.

    Oh, by the way, 100% of American making more than $110,000 pay zero percent of Social Security tax on income over that amount.

  101. 116 1george1

    “Does JEZE have a SENSE of IRONY & HUMOR?”

    Answer: No.

    ====

    LOL 🙂 ROTFLMAO

    ====

    YO JEZE: Please NOTE you used IRONY:

    “100% of American making more than $110,000
    pay zero percent of Social Security tax
    on income over that amount.”

    ====

    LOL 🙂 ROTFLMAO hahahahahahaha – too delicious!

  102. 117 1george1

    A situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony)
    if there is an “incongruity between the actual result of
    a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.”

    Explanation to Professor:
    The expected result of people paying into social security
    is that everyone paying the same rate, would continue to
    pay the same rate, without a DOUBLE STANDARD, like
    a CAP on PAYING ….

    Another example of IRONY is those people entrusted to
    manage Municipal Budgets sometimes PAD their OWN
    PAY & PENSIONS, where OUTRAGE occurs when there
    is mIRONY, but no OUTRAGE when there is barRATry
    analogous to admiralty law = misconduct by crew of ship
    (of state/town Department) resulting in damage) to the
    wallets & assets of M O S T TAX PAYERS….

    LOL ROTFLMAO hahahahahahaha – too delicious!

  103. 118 1george1

    FINALLY a counterintuitive reason to vote for ROMNEY, who job
    it appears is to make Bush-Cheney look good by comparison?

    Three in four Americans feel little or no personal connection
    to Romney, Esquire/Yahoo poll finds

    http://news.yahoo.com/esquire-yahoo-news-poll-americans-little-common-with-romney.html

    Republicans: Bad gets worse for Romney
    http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-bad-gets-worse-romney-225708062–election.html

  104. 119 sudds

    “Can somebody please explain why anyone should vote for this guy?”

    How about…

    …because he is the only candidate who is actually going to speak with the Prime Minister of Israel (presumably to discuss a way(s) to keep Israel from getting “nuked” off the face of the earth by Iran)???

  105. 120 jezebel282

    Sudds,

    “because he is the only candidate who is actually going to speak with the Prime Minister of Israel (presumably to discuss a way(s) to keep Israel from getting “nuked” off the face of the earth by Iran)???”

    Did he happen to tell you how he would do that?

  106. 121 sudds

    Nope… but at least he (unlike the other candidate) is trying!!!

  107. 122 jezebel282

    LOL!

    Suddsy, what is he trying? Do we have any idea what he would do instead?

  108. 123 sudds

    “Do we have any idea what he would do instead?”

    Instead of what??? Letting Iran drop a nuke on Tel Aviv?!?!?

    I think any Jew would tell you that ANYTHING is better than letting that happen!!!

  109. 124 jezebel282

    Nonresponsive.

    You still haven’t given us any idea what Romney would do. I also doubt any Christian or Muslim would like to see a nuclear weapon (probably more than one) dropped on the Dome of the Rock or say, Bethlehem.

    But I can tell you that no matter who wins on November 6th, the United States will take no action at all until November 7th.

    And then…well we’ve already had one Republican president that responded to “weapons of mass destruction”. Haven’t we?

  110. 126 jezebel282

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Get Egypt and Turkey to like Israel more?
    Tell Palestinians to negotiate seriously?
    Not one word about what he’d do about Iran?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    How about something from an Israeli?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/opinion/the-truth-about-obama-and-israel.html

  111. 127 sudds

    You’re linking to the NY Times? Seriously? Was msnbc (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) not available?

  112. 128 jezebel282

    Oh! I’m sorry! I thought you could read.
    Lemme see if I can find some pictures in the NY Post to put up for you.

  113. 129 jezebel282

    My apologies. I couldn’t find anything in the NY Post that resembles anything at all that happens on this planet.

    How about the vanilla USA Today?
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/09/28/obama-speaks-to-netanyahu-pledges-support-of-israel/70001349/1#.UGYEPVFeueY

  114. 130 jezebel282

    WTFU!

  115. 131 jezebel282

    Update:

    Ooops! I forgot to post the link to “WTFU”:

  116. 132 1george1

    Another moderate.

  117. 133 1george1

    It doesn’t take Solomon to understand the answer to mideast problems.

  118. 134 jezebel282

    George,

    “It doesn’t take Solomon to understand the answer to mideast problems.”

    It never did. Surprisingly, our own Congress has succumbed to similar extreme positions as well. When two parties actually agree on something and still nothing is done simply because one side or the other proposed it the results are intractable positions and zero movement.
    Here in this country, the Republican party has stated as much.

    The Middle East has a different dynamic although with unnerving parallels. In the Middle East political power is derived from religious hatred. As long as someone can be found to hate, massive groups of people can be united by a political/ruling authority. Sometimes it is the United States when the old standby, Israel, simply won’t do.

    We observe this same tactic with Tea Party Republicans. With them, the old standby evil is Obama and when he won’t do, it is the liberal media.

  119. 135 1george1

    The power people play the old games, yet there are huge changes
    in the balances of power for Dangers & Opportunities.

    The solution in the Mideast is for it to become like NYC. There are
    clusters of different Ethnic / Religious as if Salad Bowl ingrediants
    which are separate yet make a presentation.
    Then there is the Melting Pot where there are major mixtures of
    diverse people.
    Perfect? NO
    Viable? Overwhelmingly YES.
    Image if BLOOMBERG & OBAMA / ROMNEY picked & presented
    their highest Ranking person whose ancestors were from:
    Egypt – Lebanon – Syria – Saud – Iran – Iraq – Cyprus – Greece –
    Turkey – Italy – France – Britain – Germany – Turkey – Russia – etc.
    – ISRAEL & PALESTINE are just the same names for the same
    regions, so why not have REGIONAL HQ like a Senate / Congress –
    House of Lords / Commons in the Same Building?
    – Executive Powers could be in 1 building with shared powers with
    resepcting nuances, analogous to what British Home Office does.

    Conventional Warfare & that seen in Iraq & Afghanistan aren’t the
    real dangers.
    Genetics – Chemical/Biologic – Food/Water – Electro Magnetic &
    the most subtly dangerous MIND CONTROL
    – There will be MOCKING, yet implanting SUGGESTIONS has gone
    far beyond hypnotism & it’s far more effective than the 1950s-1970s.
    – Embedded frequencies in a phone call or hidden graphics in a
    computer screen are science fiction to troglodytes in blogosphere,
    yet let them do even minor netsearch …. and they’ll find I’m right.

    Only when Constuction & self determination are more profitable than
    Destruction & dependancy, will there be relative peace in the world.

    For now ….. it hasn’t caught on.
    Logically & emotionally, those with POWER & DELUSIONS ….
    aren’t predisposed to be nice, nor want to play fair & kindly.

    It boils down to who are the BIGGEST FISH.

  120. 136 jezebel282

    “Embedded frequencies in a phone call or hidden graphics in a
    computer screen….”

    Sigh…

  121. 140 jezebel282

    Editor’s note:

    Although we have resisted for years, we have simply grown tired of moving George’s posts and tolerating the dwindling readership due to the masses of irrelevant content posted by George.

    The day is (very) soon approaching when we will simply give up and ban George’s IP.

    Anyone who objects to this is welcome to present an argument for retaining George.

    (Except George).

  122. 141 mikereynolds

    Its about time.

  123. 142 jezebel282

    It is not an action we would be proud of, but every courtesy has been extended and no solution has been found.

  124. 143 Rockannand

    I voted him off the island months ago. Now he has his weekly diatribe in the Stratford Star. Nauseating really. I believe you are participation level would improve immeasurably.

  125. 144 1george1

    Mike Reynolds has never been a fan.
    I respect diversity of opinions.
    While Mike has been insulting on occasion he never sunk
    to the level of ROCK / PROF, ironically supposed supporters
    of the Shakespeare Theater since MAY.

    – JEZE:
    – How many Y E A R S, have I OPENLY-PUBLICLY
    ADVOCATED for REOPENING SHAKESPEARE?
    – How many Y E A R S, have I OPENLY-PUBLICLY
    ADVOCATED for QUESTIONING SHAKESPEARE
    as a groundhog day LAWYERS BIDDING TROUGTH?

    If they aren’t the same person, 2 of the 3 respondents are
    Shakespeare / Historic District people who are hiding
    information relative to relationships with “JACKSON,”
    BISHOP, & KELLY.
    ANN JACKSON, long time OSNA President is ex-wife of whom?

    Vote off the island ?
    You actually admit to watching that CARP & the BANAL
    HEDGEMONY?

    NAZIs were against DISSENT too.

    ROCK – Ever read Martin Niemoller poem?
    For people who are Jews, Christians, Catholics, and
    intelligent, when the minorities, even an individual is
    silenced, where does it end?

    – On this BLOG – I’M VERY UNPOPULAR & PROUD OF
    IT BECAUSE I GET PEOPLE TO THINK & REACT.
    – When you have to defend your actions to your neighbors
    or BLOG READERS, does it or does it not save you from
    being embarassed to your children & maybe the COURTS?

    I have to admit smiling when ROCK posted about DeCilio,
    on the PATCH.
    Between SEWER FEES & TAXES he’s PAYING 20 % MORE.

    JEZE – Who is that PAIN IN THE NECK POSTING, WRITING,
    & SPEAKING about TAXES & FEES, besides you of course? 😉

    Any time I want to, I could back door into the PATCH or anywhere
    else.

    The PLAYWRITE endorsed me against GAVIN because I was the
    MOST HATED MAN in TOWN HALL.

    Who was the MAYOR then?
    Who is the MAYOR now?

    Who were the ATTORNEY FIRMS PAID BY MIRON?
    Who are the ATTORNEY FIRMS PAID BY HARKINS?

    ANN JACKSON, long time OSNA President is ex-wife of whom?

    JEZE:
    Hypothetically would you GLEEFULLY do the BIDDING of
    MIRON’S PARTNERS’ SURROGATES?

    JEZE – Jim Miron claimed to be a Shakespeare Theater supporter,
    didn’t he?
    Sure go along with the ROCK & PROF, since they share MIRON’S
    VALUES & PRIORITIES, don’t they?

    I can’s wait to see ROCK / PROF squeel ….
    Even Mike Reynolds may agree with my point, since as much as
    he doesn’t like me, I think he likes MIRON & surrogates even less?

    Banned from POSTING?
    Even MIRON never threatened that.

    In Martin Niemoller poem 2 substitutions
    1 – Replace Nazis, with ROCK / PROF
    2 – Replace came for me, with BANNED my WORDS

    Despite DOUBLE STANDARDS, JEZE are you going to be
    manipulated to do MIRON’S / KELLY’S / BISHOP-JACKSON /
    BURTURLA BIDDING?

    Incidently, as you are moving this one and not the others
    directly above it, this is directly in the string about why to
    VOTE for MITT.
    Tangentally VOTING & DEBATES had relationships.

    I can’t wait to read ROCK / PROF explosion of personal
    insults.

    Only ED GOODRICH & CHRISTINE RUDNEY have had a
    HIGHER PROFILE & LONGER about SHAKESPEARE than I!
    – There are many people like Chris & the Arts Commission
    & shakespeare people who’ve done far more work than I,
    however, anon ROCK / PROF didn’t exist until MAY 2012.

    ROTFLMAO because they have ZERO DEFENSE!

  126. 145 jezebel282

    That pretty much does it for me.

  127. 146 jezebel282

    Is anyone convinced after the debate that they should vote any differently?

  128. 147 jezebel282

    Umm…just as a note, some of the claims by both candidates were, well, completely false. Sadly, it is probable that no one will care.

    False: Romney’s claim that Obama doubled the deficit. This charge was leveled many times. It remains false. In 2009 the deficit was $1.2 trillion. In 2012 it is $1.1 trillion. For those who cannot do the math by themselves:

    1.2 x 2 = 2.4
    For Romney’s claim to be true:
    1.2 x 2 = 1.1

    (note: when you “double” something, you multiply it by 2.)

    False: Obama’s claim that Romney’s tax plan would add $7 trillion to the deficit. That is false. No one has any idea what Romney’s tax plan is or what magic way he will lower the deficit.

    False: Romney’s claim of the government takeover of healthcare and government panels deciding personal healthcare issues. This has been repeatedly proven to be false.

    So if you got an empty feeling from the debate it is because you were not offered anything of substance to consume.

  129. 148 jezebel282

    Interestingly, we have not seen a single supporter of Romney attempt to defend his candidate. Could it be that there is no defense?

    Maybe someone who supports turning Medicare into a much much larger revenue stream for health insurance companies? Lord knows they need the help.

    Perhaps a new government program to assist brokers and hedge fund managers by privatizing Social Security?

    Maybe there is someone out there that would like to support the exclusion of birth control from any prescription plan, make abortion illegal, oppose gay marriage/civil rights, deny benefits to anyone with a pre-existing condition and generally turn the social clock back to 1947?

    Romney supporters certainly can’t claim to support Romney’s economic plan since no one knows what it is.

  130. 149 jezebel282

    Update:

    So what have we learned by an Obama victory?

    Americans prefer inclusion over exclusion.

  131. 150 cstratct

    Well, we learned that, and also that running so far to the right when you’re a moderate doesn’t help your chances. Calling yourself “severely conservative,” then courting support from people like Trump and Beck, doesn’t endear you to an electorate. All that, and telling people you have a plan but “we’re not going to go into it before the election and you can just trust us” doesn’t really work.

  132. 151 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Well, we learned that, and also that running so far to the right”

    Who knew which direction Romney ran in? In the end, there was nothing to hold onto. People don’t get to vote that often and to most people who get off their butts their vote is important to them. Saying that, voters would rather have something to vote for. Romney gave them nothing. Or worse, he gave them something and then took it away.

    This topic has been up for three months, not a single reader has posted any reason to vote for Romney. Not one.

    We will just have to accept that everyone will get health insurance, contraception will continue to be accessible, abortion will remain legal, the LGBT community will be treated as citizens, illegal immigrants will get a better chance to become citizens, we’ll (hopefully) stay out of unnecessary wars and we won’t be getting vouchers when we are eligible for Medicare.

    We might even get rid of the ridiculous notion that if we coddle “job creators” enough that they will spend their extra money on a few jobs. In order to make more money, maybe they will realize that expanding their business is the better way to do it.

  133. 152 cstratct

    True Jezebel. I doubt the “job creators” are going to suddenly decide they don’t want to make anymore money. They would basically be acting against their own interests, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, even as a policy argument. Are you having fun reading the explanations of why Romney lost? My favorites at the moment: The mainstream media was advocating for the President and the President went negative. Both are ridiculous, especially considering the GOP and their allied groups spent $1.2 billion (outspending Democrats) on primarily negative (and false) advertisements. Not that Democrats didn’t run negative ads, they most certainly did, but you can’t say there wasn’t a level playing field.

    As for the President attacking Romney, that is just pathetic. Jon Stewart had the best response to that BS.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/jon-stewart-fox-news-election-meltdown-video_n_2092224.html

  134. 153 jezebel282

    CS,

    “Are you having fun reading the explanations of why Romney lost? ”

    Actually…no. I have to admit, it was a little bit satisfying to see the shocked faces as the election results came in but that was ever so fleeting.

    The real problems remain. The Tea Party and their media outlet, Fox News, are not what you would call “reality- based”. The Obama bashing & demonizing continues relentlessly. That does not bode well for anyone.

  135. 154 mikereynolds

    Any reaction to the MSNBC buffoon, Chris Matthews, on his comment, “I’m so glad this storm happened.”?

  136. 155 jezebel282

    Mike,

    Maybe I was watching the other buffoons on Fox News, but I didn’t see that. If he was referring to Hurricane Sandy, then he should have been taken off the air, driven to Long Beach and dumped there.

    I prefer to believe that it was Romney’s lack of a plan and, you know, lying that caused his defeat. I really don’t think Sandy changed anyone’s mind. The polls, as annoyingly repetitive as they were, ended up being very accurate. It shouldn’t have been a shock to anyone.

  137. 157 jezebel282

    Mike,

    Well…..at least he didn’t say he didn’t care about 47% of Sandy’s victims.

  138. 158 mikereynolds

    You’re right…he basically said he didn’t care about 100% of Sandy’s victims.

  139. 159 mikereynolds

    And if he was on Fox and said this you would be hammering him.

  140. 160 jezebel282

    Mike,

    Let’s keep a little proportion here. You and I both know that Matthews spoke literally tens of thousands of words that night. Hours and hours of them. These six words should properly be taken in context of a political junkie talking about the political process.

    Let’s not start comparing the outrageous allegations that are made continually on that other “fair and balanced” channel.

  141. 161 cstratct

    I would say that the initial statement was incredibly insensitive and required an apology, which Matthews provided in no uncertain terms. But as Jezebel points out, there was a context to the discussion and the point he was attempting to make regarding how the handling of the storm provided a window into leadership. It is clear he was not saying that the destruction caused by the storm was a good thing or that the suffering of the victims was good, but it was entirely appropriate for him to apologize.

    There is a huge difference between what Matthews said and the blatant falsehoods and outrageous, inflammatory rhetoric Fox “News” constantly puts out. There are countless examples. “Obama phones” comes to mind. It was a program started long before President Obama took office, but that doesn’t stop the Ailes smear machine from misleading Fox viewers. Just today they promoted a storyline about 50% of the country receiving government “handouts.” No details on the specifics, which would have shown that a significant portion of that group are seniors recieving social security or medicare. No, just a continuing false narrative created to generate outrage against the President, Democrats and the “takers.”

    This is why anyone who compares these situations can see the difference between what happened with Matthews and the never-ending Fox “News” spin machine. At least Matthews recognized his mistake and apologized.

  142. 162 jezebel282

    CS,

    If you run a company with a marketing department, the one thing you want to be damned sure of is that your marketing department understands your market. In Rupert Murdoch’s case, he can be very pleased that Fox News completely understands its market and never fails to disappoint.

    When you have to tell your audience that you are “fair & balanced” every 15 minutes, it should make you wonder. But Fox News uses this to reassure their market that yes, indeed, this crap is OK because it is “fair & balanced”.

    O’Reilly’s and Coulter’s opinion that the United States has changed into a country where more than 50% percent of the population are “takers” is truly disgusting. The message is crystal clear: “They’re” coming to get us and take away our stuff.

    Fox News will continue to serve their market segment (you know, angry white men) because frankly that is their business. The bad news is that a lot of their market actually believes this stuff. The more outrageous, the better. In the last couple of days the message has become almost laughable: We lost so you had better give us what we want.

  143. 163 cstratct

    Agreed Jezebel. I was trying to respond to Mike’s comment that about Chris Matthews. The primary difference is that even though he never said anything near what Mike claims, he recognized that his comment was inappropriate and poorly articulated so he promptly apologized.

    Now we could compare this to Mitt Romney’s 47% (I know, going there is opening a can of worms), but it was clear what he was saying to top donors and unlike the statement he cites, It’s not only that Mitt’s statement was not ‘elegantly stated”, as he put it, it was flat out offensive. He bent over backwards (along with his Republican counterparts) to turn it around to fit the narrative about personal responsibility. The Romney video was first disclosed on September 17th. It wasn’t until October 5th that Romney admitted he was “completely wrong” in that statement. Nearly three weeks and even then it wasn’t an apology. “Clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions, now and then you’re gonna say something that doesn’t come out right,” Romney said in an interview Wednesday night with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “In this case I said something that’s just completely wrong.”

    Compare that with Matthews’ apology:

    “It was a terrible thing to say, period,” Matthews said. He admitted that he had been “too deeply enmeshed in political thinking” and “wasn’t thinking of the horrible mess this storm has made of people’s real lives. I left out the number one of anyone on air… to think about the real lives of people,” Matthews stated.

  144. 164 mikereynolds

    Chris,

    “he primary difference is that even though he never said anything near what Mike claims, he recognized that his comment was inappropriate and poorly articulated so he promptly apologized.”

    What did I claim he said versus what he said?

  145. 165 jezebel282

    Uh oh….here we go.

  146. 166 cstratct

    Really Mike? He never said anything even remotely close to not caring about 100% of Sandy’s victims. He was being crass about the political implications of the storm, but he never implied nor stated that he didn’t care about the people. In fact, he stated shortly thereafter,”Obviously I wasn’t talking about the horror of the storm. I grew up on the Jersey shore.” He then further clarified his remarks and offered an apology. More from Matthews: “On Nov. 7, 2012, the “Hardball” host attempted to rectify the situation. “I said something terrible,” Chris Matthews admitted. “I said something not just stupid but wrong.” in addition, Matthews pledged to take steps to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and expressed dismay that he may have hurt them with his insensitive remarks. He confessed that he didn’t consider the difficulty the storm had caused to many people. He was only thinking about the political ramifications of Hurricane Sandy.”
    (http://www.examiner.com/article/chris-matthews-apologizes-i-said-something-terrible)

    He took ownership of his mistake and promised to do his part to help those still suffering as a result of Sandy.

  147. 167 mikereynolds

    Sorry Chris, that’s what he implied by that ludicrous statement. Yes he apologized ok fine. Although I did not say he said that. When I said:

    “he basically said he didn’t care about 100% of Sandy’s victims”

    I thought it was clear that I was pointing out what he was implying in response to Jez’s satirical response.

    Regardless, I should have known better than to think that liberal cheerleaders would be offended or outraged by something said on MSNBC.

  148. 168 jezebel282

    “he should have been taken off the air, driven to Long Beach and dumped there.’

    Too liberal?

  149. 169 cstratct

    I’m not sure I follow your comment. I know that your previous statement was your interpretation of Matthews’ original comment. So are you saying that you were just being satirical, or do you honestly believe that the intent of his statement was to say that he didn’t care about the victims of the storm? Matthews himself said it was a “terrible thing to say.” It still doesn’t mean he implied that he didn’t care about the people. If you actually get yourself to a place where you believe he was implying he didn’t care about the victims because he was making a crass political point then you have been drinking far too much Republican kool-aid.

    And as for being “liberal cheerleaders” or being “offended or outraged” by the statement, I said quite clearly his initial statement was “incredibly insensitive” and that an apology was appropriate. What more would you like me to say? At least he apologized and is willing to do something to help the victims. Listen to Fox “News” on any given day and you’ll hear much worse, and I haven’t heard any apologies coming from any of their pundits.

  150. 170 jezebel282

    Sorry guys, this argument about who said what and why is just silly. It misses the whole point of the election.

    There is actually not much we can do in Connecticut to move the national debate forward since all of our congressional delegation is Democratic. We’ve pretty much said all we have to say by voting. We want a balanced approach to the budget. (Hey, “Fair & Balanced” is Fox News slogan isn’t it? They should be all for it shouldn’t they?).

    I find it incredible that Republicans in the House refuse to even consider a 4% increase in the top rate. There are some who will go so far as to say it is because they signed a “pledge” to Grover Norquist, an un-elected Tea Party wing-nut. This is one individual out of 350 million citizens, yet a promise to him is more important than solving a national crisis? Are you kidding me?

    Hey, Grover! Pledge THIS!

  151. 171 cstratct

    Isn’t it interesting that Republican governors are now, at last, calling out some of their own for their divisive and antiquated views on American society? Good for Jindal, Martinez and those willing to stand up to the more strident and misinformed members of their party. I probably wouldn’t vote for them based on many of their positions on social policies, but it is nice to see some reason return to the mouths of some Republicans.

    Susana Martinez criticizes Mitt Romney comments, maps way forward

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83960.html#ixzz2CUfKgVZA

    Mitt Romney’s parting ‘gifts’

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-parting-gifts-to-the-country/2012/11/15/9be1166a-2f62-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.html

    How long before Jindal and Martinez are labeled as RINOs?

  152. 172 jezebel282

    CS,

    I believe the GOP was poisoned by their own egos. They actively sought to tailor their message to Tea Party fanatics and actively encouraged them to join, thinking that by some magical method they would become less fanatic. Well the Tea Party wing nuts didn’t become less fanatic. They took control of the GOP. The GOP no longer welcomes any moderate opinion. It is pretty much all or nothing. Any moderation indicates that you are not a True Believer and must be crushed with the standard angry fervor.

    Unfortunately for the GOP, the majority of Americans don’t think that way.

  153. 173 jezebel282

    Update:

    Elections have consequences:

    https://www.accesshealthct.com/AHCT/LandingPageCTHIX

  154. 174 jezebel282

    If you actually take the time to click on the above link here is one thing that you will discover about Obamacare: There are no plans that are government healthcare. Not one. None. All of the plans offered are provided by private health insurance companies. And you get to see them all at once and compare features, benefits and costs. You also can check nearly instantly which doctors are in the plans. My quick survey indicates that almost all of them in Fairfield or New Haven counties are.

    So all this rhetoric about government healthcare, death panels, not being able to choose your own doctor and other “train wreck” statements are, well, bullsh*t.

    Maybe that is why the Tea Party nuts don’t want us to have Obamacare. It’s not so bad after all and they are going to look pretty stupid for burning down the country over it.


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